In India: Su-30MKI with BraMos missiles will become a factor in countering the Shandong aircraft carrier of the Chinese Navy

The Indian media noted that equipping the Su-30MKI fighters with BrahMos cruise missiles will make it possible to better secure the country in connection with the buildup of China's combat potential. About this writes the Indian edition of The Hindustan Times.

The material notes that the zone of responsibility of the formed Su-30MKI squadron, called the "Tiger Sharks", will also extend to the water area, which is increasingly used by Chinese warships to patrol. First of all, we are talking about patrol routes for PLA naval forces in the Indian Ocean - right up to Pakistani Gwadar.

Earlier in China, it was reported that the first Shandong Type 001A aircraft carrier built in the PRC with an aircraft wing from J-15 carrier-based fighter jets could soon leave for the Indian Ocean.

In India, they believe that the Su-30MKI, armed with the BrahMos KR, will become a serious factor in counteracting the same Chinese aircraft carrier Shandong and its escort ships.

China has already commented on this material. In particular, it is noted that Indians themselves write about the range of BrahMos missiles at 300 km. It is noted that even taking into account the radius of action of the Su-30MKI, this may not be enough to "reach" the Chinese AUG in the Indian Ocean.

One of the comments:

Some Indians have no idea how vast the oceans are. Indians think oceans are tiny lakes. If you do not have long-range bombers, do not expect the air forces to sink the warships of the enemy.

Comments

[Aerodrome]

It is noted that even taking into account the radius of action of the Su-30MKI, this may not be enough to "reach" the Chinese AUG in the Indian Ocean.

Well, so the Chinese AUG does not carry any threat beyond this radius.

[Hunter 2]

Only the nuclear potential of these two countries (India and China) plus Pakistan threatens. If it burns in this region, the population of the Earth can be safely divided into two.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Hunter 2

Earth's population can be safely divided into two.

preferable states and shaved -... to zero.

[Dmitry Donskoy]

The SU-30 has a range of 1500 km plus a 300 km missile. I think enough to ensure security from the ocean.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Dmitry Donskoy

The SU-30 has a range of 1500 km plus a 300 km missile. I think enough to ensure security from the ocean.

Well ... what about? I just don’t think that the Chinese will crawl so close.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Dmitry Donskoy

The SU-30 has a range of 1500 km plus a 300 km missile. I think enough to ensure security from the ocean.

1500 with such a heavy rocket?

Have you ever looked at the fuel reserves, at the maximum take-off weight?
Will it take off at all to fulfill your conditions?
Here or checkers or go ...

[bayard]

The weight of this modification "Brahmos" (lightweight for air launch) is about 2,5 tons, the normal bomb / payload of the Su-30 is 4 tons. But there is also air resistance, so the range will probably be somewhat reduced to 1000 - 1200 km ... , but this is not enough. After all, there is also air refueling, and the Indians have IL-78s and, possibly, tankers made in the United States.
So max. the radius of damage is seen in the range of 1500 - 2000 km. We take a compass and measure the radius from the coast of Hindustan. This is more than enough for security.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: bayard

The weight of this modification "Brahmos" (lightweight for air launch) is about 2,5 tons, the normal bomb / payload of the Su-30 is 4 tons. But there is also air resistance, so the range will probably be somewhat reduced to 1000 - 1200 km ... , but this is not enough. After all, there is also air refueling, and the Indians have IL-78s and, possibly, tankers made in the United States.
So max. the radius of damage is seen in the range of 1500 - 2000 km. We take a compass and measure the radius from the coast of Hindustan. This is more than enough for security.

how much the combat radius changes depending on the load - you can look at the example of the Su-24 or Tu-22M3 ...
Multiple ...

[bayard]

The normal load for the Su-30 is 4 tons (half of the maximum), this is enough to have "Brahmos" (2,5) and 4 - 6 explosive missiles on the suspension. Let's say the radius is reduced (aerodynamic drag) to 1000 km + the range of the rocket itself + possible (and for the Indians it is possible) refueling in the air. Such a radius of destruction is enough for India's needs.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Aerodrome

Well, so the Chinese AUG does not carry any threat beyond this radius.

Unless she covers the strike group of ships equipped with cruise missiles.

The Indians have refueling planes; do not discount them either.

[eagle owl]

Aircraft carriers for China are not a means of attacking India. and a means of controlling shipping, its expansion into the Pacific region, and here - even as an aircraft carrier carries a threat. Another thing is that India has already lost there, and without aircraft carriers

[Victor_B]

SU-30 plus Onyx vs SU-33 plus Varangian

[Private-K]

Indian Su-30MKIs are better than Chinese Su-33s.
The emergence of the Chinese AUG in the Indian Ocean will push India to new purchases of expensive weapons from the Russian Federation.

[maidan.izrailovich]

Indian Su-30MKIs are better than Chinese Su-33s.

China does not have a Su-33. Originals were not supplied to them.
Some experts believe that the J-15 is a copied Su-33. But the Chinese themselves say that this is an advanced J-11B (copy of the Su-27). Although when developing the J-15, the T10K-7 purchased in Ukraine (the Soviet prototype Su-33) was used.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Private-K

Indian Su-30MKIs are better than Chinese Su-33s.
The emergence of the Chinese AUG in the Indian Ocean will push India to new purchases of expensive weapons from the Russian Federation.

They will buy the F-18 instead of the Mig-29K and buy an additional Rafaley ...
Indonesia over there, however, refused.
Although how many bonnets rushed here ...

[Private-K]

Indians will not buy Superhornets - this is too much. The diversity is unacceptable. And he has no additional useful properties.
Rfali can and can, only the pace of Rafale production is depressingly low. And they do not and cannot have normal RCC.
There are Su-30MKI2 and ... Su-57. In general, only the Su-57E can help the Indians dramatically. Well, or your own Hindu mega-fighter.

The fact that the Russian Federation generally managed to penetrate Indonesia is not so much an accident, the stars just came together.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Private-K

Indians will not buy Superhornets - this is too much. The diversity is unacceptable. And he has no additional useful properties.
Rfali can and can, only the pace of Rafale production is depressingly low. And they do not and cannot have normal RCC.
There are Su-30MKI2 and ... Su-57. In general, only the Su-57E can help the Indians dramatically. Well, or your own Hindu mega-fighter.

The fact that the Russian Federation generally managed to penetrate Indonesia is not so much an accident, the stars just came together.

The Russian Federation did not enter Indonesia. it's all. Stop. And there will be no more.

Superhornets can buy.
For there is no interchangeability of ship and airport - no.
And they have a lot of complaints specifically about the boat.
Moreover, the Americans will give them production.

What is normal RCC?
Huge Bramos?
Not the fact that he really needs this ...
But it will be able to carry both LASM and JASM-EP, and all versions of Scalp.

Drying - will no longer come to the Indian market. In the next 30 years for sure.
This is the point put on the main project of the future, after the Indians refused to continue working together.

[Amateur]

The weight of the penetrating warhead Bramos max 450 kg. An aircraft carrier even 10 such H / Gs will do nothing serious, But for 10 H / G to hit, the escort must clap his ears.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Amateur

The weight of the penetrating warhead Bramos max 450 kg. An aircraft carrier even 10 such H / Gs will do nothing serious, But for 10 H / G to hit, the escort must clap his ears.

if he goes into the cabin, that's all ... Amateur...

[Amateur]

if he goes into the cabin, that's it ..

And what, the Chinese posts GKP with BIUS, war communication, etc. moved from the most protected parts of the ship in the center of the hull moved to the wheelhouse?

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Amateur

if he goes into the cabin, that's it ..

And what, the Chinese posts GKP with BIUS, war communication, etc. moved from the most protected parts of the ship in the center of the hull moved to the wheelhouse?

those. cutting where all the cones are, and control - what for is not needed? then what the hell. this horseradish was added, with locators, and with cdp of visual contact?))))) I laugh!

[Gray brother]

Quote: Amateur

The weight of the penetrating warhead Bramos max 450 kg. Even 10 such H / Gs will do nothing serious for an aircraft carrier

A lot of things can be done - damage the elevator, detonate ammunition, set fire to tanks with fuel, turn the "island" along with everyone who is there, damage the deck.
All of these options will not necessarily lead to the destruction of the ship, but with a high degree of probability will turn it into a useless bucket.

[Amateur]

knn54 (Nikolai) Today, 09: 03
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According to Soviet doctrine, with the destruction of an aircraft carrier, losses will amount to the regiment Tu-22.
Today, the situation has not changed.

Here the specialist has already answered.

[Grandfather]

Quote: Amateur

Here the specialist has already answered

according to the "Soviet doctrine" ..... yes, I see .... "client" ... and "avatar" indicates ... ay! 2020 in the yard! ))))))))))))

[Amateur]

according to the "Soviet doctrine" ..... yes, I see .... "client" ... and "avatar" indicates ... ay! 2020 is not the yard!

And what, in 2020 ballistics, physics, chemistry have been invented? Or are you allergic to the word "Soviet"?

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Amateur

Are you allergic to the word "Soviet"?

not ... I love the USSR, but you have a "yardstick" 30 years ago!

[bessmertniy]

In fact, China today on land in the event of war could block India. Its aircraft carriers can further strengthen this blockade. Therefore, it is very important for India to oppose this to something - also aircraft carriers, submarines, etc.

[knn54]

According to Soviet doctrine, with the destruction of an aircraft carrier, losses will amount to the regiment Tu-22.
Today, the situation has not changed.
Unless they put YaB on the Kyrgyz Republic, but this is already a full-fledged war.

[Private-K]

I can’t wait until the Chinese begin to permanently keep their AUG in the Indian Ocean. This will lead to drastic changes in the global alignment.

[Grandfather]

Quote: Private-K

I can’t wait until the Chinese begin to permanently keep their AUG in the Indian Ocean. This will lead to drastic changes in the global alignment.

I’ll decipher: the Indians will go to us, the Chinese have already driven them away earlier, Pakistan is also in the Reception Office, and there it’s the turn. and all nuclear weapons. yes ... perspective ... mat child ...

[Pavel57]

The Chinese did not buy the Tu-22M3, offer them to the Indians. Each will pull 4-6 Brahmos.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Pavel57

Each will pull 4-6 Brahmos.

Better something bigger with a greater range. 300 km it is very small.

[Pavel57]

Better something bigger with a greater range. 300 km it is very small.

Aerial Bramos will pull km. by 500. Not enough, then the export version of the Dagger, but only with the Tu-22M3.

[Old26]

Quote: knn54

According to Soviet doctrine, with the destruction of an aircraft carrier, losses will amount to the regiment Tu-22.
Today, the situation has not changed.
Unless they put YaB on the Kyrgyz Republic, but this is already a full-fledged war.

And I will add, Nikolay, that the missiles under the Tu-22 were much more powerful than the Brahmos. EMNIP then MS in the X-22 anti-ship missile is almost a ton.

Quote: Pavel57

The Chinese did not buy the Tu-22M3, offer them to the Indians. Each will pull 4-6 Brahmos.

there would be enough of them to rivet yourself, and you are going to sell to the Indians

Quote: Gray Brother

Quote: Pavel57

Each will pull 4-6 Brahmos.

Better something bigger with a greater range. 300 km it is very small.

The Indians have nothing larger, but the range. Brahmos with a range of up to 800 km are already being tested. True, the question arises, who will give them target designation for such a range?

[Gray brother]

Quote: Old26

The truth is the question arises, and who will give them target designation at such a range?

A reconnaissance aircraft, radio reconnaissance or satellite ships - they can also go into space.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Gray Brother

Quote: Old26

The truth is the question arises, and who will give them target designation at such a range?

A reconnaissance aircraft, radio reconnaissance or satellite ships - they can also go into space.

What are the chances of the reconnaissance aircraft to be at the targeting point with a full guarantee of fixation and identification of the target - and that they would not destroy it?
The ship has no chance at all.

Have you ever comprehended target designation?
Well, the fact that he is obliged to spin in orbits, because a geostationary station is not for him ...
And that at the right point over the ocean it will be no more than an hour and a half a day ...
And that, accordingly, at least 10 such satellites are needed.
And that you need at least 3-6 satellites of radio transmitters.
And that you need a full MCC.
And thousands and tens of thousands of highly qualified specialists.

All this is necessary only for that. so that one rocket hits your Wishlist in an aircraft carrier.

So, the Indians do not have any of this and the next 10 years will not, and China already has aircraft carriers and planes ...

[Gray brother]

Quote: SovAr238A

What are the chances of the reconnaissance aircraft to be at the targeting point with a full guarantee of fixation and identification of the target - and that they would not destroy it?

And he does not need to be there, it is enough for him to receive signals from ship radars and radio communications, with ships the same garbage.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Gray Brother

Quote: SovAr238A

What are the chances of the reconnaissance aircraft to be at the targeting point with a full guarantee of fixation and identification of the target - and that they would not destroy it?

And he does not need to be there, it is enough for him to receive signals from ship radars and radio communications, with ships the same garbage.

Now remember the 1982/83 years ...
Exercises Fliteks-82/83

About how they "lost" a couple of aircraft carriers off the coast of Kamchatka and the Kuriles and how they worked. what they wanted. up to the imitation of the storming of our objects ...
Suddenly, yes!
In the heyday of our military forces ...

[Gray brother]

Quote: SovAr238A

Have you ever comprehended target designation?

His task is to determine the area of ​​the enemy’s location and his course. The rest is secondary.

Quote: SovAr238A

And that you need at least 3-6 satellites of radio transmitters.

For what? They do not need to cover the whole globe.

Quote: SovAr238A

And that you need a full MCC.
And thousands and tens of thousands of highly qualified specialists.

They have it.

Quote: SovAr238A

And that at the right point over the ocean it will be no more than an hour and a half a day ...

He will make a complete revolution in eighty minutes.

Howbeit:

India has taken another impressive step towards becoming a full-fledged independent space power. The Indian Space Research Organization (ISRO) has successfully launched into orbit the latest RISAT-2B reconnaissance satellite, capable of observing the Earth’s surface even in heavy cloud cover. The launch of the PSLV-C46 launcher with a 615-kilogram satellite on board took place from the launch site on the island of Shriharikota in the Bay of Bengal.

If this is not him, then this is just a matter of time.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Gray Brother

His task is to determine the area of ​​the enemy’s location and his course. The rest is secondary.

Well, he discovered AUG for 2000 miles and then what?

Quote: Gray Brother

He will make a complete revolution in eighty minutes.

Rjunimagu. From your knowledge.

And where will he be in 80 minutes?
Looking at Thailand? To Subic Bay?

Quote: Gray Brother

Howbeit:

India has taken another impressive step towards becoming a full-fledged independent space power. The Indian Space Research Organization (ISRO) has successfully launched into orbit the latest RISAT-2B reconnaissance satellite, capable of observing the Earth’s surface even in heavy cloud cover. The launch of the PSLV-C46 launcher with a 615-kilogram satellite on board took place from the launch site on the island of Shriharikota in the Bay of Bengal.

If this is not him, then this is just a matter of time.

It took the Americans nearly 40 years to make a satellite constellation in the interests of the Navy. Our failed to make complete in principle. Those launched 3 satellites, even with nuclear reactors, were not enough. They died in a couple of years.
Thousands of specialists are grown for decades, and are not written in lines on paper.

And aircraft carriers are here and now ...

You are a cap-taker, a complete separation from reality.

[Gray brother]

Quote: SovAr238A

And where will he be in 80 minutes?

The earth is flat))) Orbits along the equator, as I understand it, we do not consider either.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Gray Brother

Quote: SovAr238A

And where will he be in 80 minutes?

The earth is flat))) Orbits along the equator, as I understand it, we do not consider either.

Call me RTR satellites, or (as it is fashionable to call dual-purpose satellites in the form) "Earth remote sensing" - flying along the equator ...

You and crocodiles fly - I understand ...

[opus]

Quote: Author

The Indian media note that the equipment of Su-30MKI fighters wingedBrahMos missiles will make it possible to better secure the country in connection with the buildup of the combat potential of China. About this writes the Indian edition of The Hindustan Times.

The fighters are equipped with the air-launched version of the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile, a 2.5-tonne missile that flies at nearly three times the speed of sound.

Cruise missile that PJ-10 "BrahMos" that P-800 "Onyx" (3M55) difficult to name
supersonic universal anti-ship missile medium range

Often the term "cruise missile" is mistakenly considered the equivalent of the narrower English term cruise missile, however, the latter applies only to guided missiles, in which most of the flight to the target takes place at a constant speed
The author .... a link to the article should be given:

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read it along and across, but did not find

Quote: Author

In India they considerthat the Su-30MKI, armed with the KR "BraMos", will become a serious factor in counteraction the same chinese Shandong aircraft carrier and its escort ships

but about the water salute SU-30 is in the article (A squadron of Sukhoi-30MKI fighters was given a water salute during the ceremony of entering the Indian Air Force at the Tanjavur airbase.)

[Old26]

Quote: Gray Brother

Quote: Old26

The truth is the question arises, and who will give them target designation at such a range?

A reconnaissance aircraft, radio reconnaissance or satellite ships - they can also go into space.

And they are - these planes are reconnaissance and satellites of this purpose. I’m not talking about reconnaissance ships