Eugene Stoner - American Kalashnikov


Usually in our country they talk about outstanding domestic designers weapons. But not paying attention to representatives of a foreign arms school is still wrong.


The plot will focus on the American weapons designer, self-taught - Eugene Morrison Stoner. He is one of the creators of the Armalite AR-15 automatic assault rifle, also known as the M16, as well as a number of other remarkable examples of small arms (assault rifles and carbines of various classes).

The Kalashnikov Media project and the specialist of the Kalashnikov concern Vladimir Onokoi prepared the Lecture column on Eugene Stoner. According to his authority in the military circles of this man, one can only compare with our Mikhail Kalashnikov.

According to the leading column, Stoner is the most underrated American designer.

In the video you can find out who Stoner was, how an uneducated self-taught person became a designer. Also among the questions considered: what was the work of one of the greatest designers who first received a “ticket to life”? What rifle and its performance characteristics still surprise military experts? What weapon designs created by Stoner are considered unsuccessful and overlooked for many years?

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  1. Amateur 21 January 2020 09: 09 New
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    Of course, they were in different weight categories, these legendary weapons designers by world standards. If Kalashnikov was a modest Soviet citizen, extremely covered by a gunsmith, lived on a salary and a small state pension, had a board house on the banks of the Izhevsk Pond, then Stoner was a respectable American, had a millionaire fortune, owned a private plane and a villa with a pool.

    "Our biographies are very similar. He also had no special education, neither military nor technical. He was a friendly person, a wonderful designer. Rich, but I did not feel envy. We lived in different countries. He is in America, and I am in Russia. To each his own. ”Eugene became rich, receiving a percentage of deductions from each new rifle, but was not awarded a single government award, but I’ve been given a bronze bust in my homeland twice when I was Hero of Socialist Labor. (M.T. Kalashnikov. Memoirs)
  2. Glory1974 21 January 2020 09: 26 New
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    At "Echo of Moscow" recently, some Tatyana Eidelman performed. Bore all nonsense (what else to expect from them). But she walked along Kalashnikov, allegedly he did not have a special education, so he could not come up with such a brilliant assault rifle. All journalists agreed with her, with a smart look they nodded their heads. Thus, showing his complete ignorance.
    Because Kalashnikov, Stoner and many other weapon designers were self-taught, or did not have a classical weapons education in the modern sense, and in spite of this they created magnificent weapons.
    1. Usher 21 January 2020 11: 23 New
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      Quote: glory1974
      At "Echo of Moscow" recently, some Tatyana Eidelman performed. Bore all nonsense (what else to expect from them). But she walked along Kalashnikov, allegedly he did not have a special education, so he could not come up with such a brilliant assault rifle. All journalists agreed with her, with a smart look they nodded their heads. Thus, showing his complete ignorance.
      Because Kalashnikov, Stoner and many other weapon designers were self-taught, or did not have a classical weapons education in the modern sense, and in spite of this they created magnificent weapons.

      Why are you writing her name with a capital letter? sad
      1. Glory1974 21 January 2020 11: 33 New
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        Why are you writing her name with a capital letter?

        A name with a capital letter is not a sign of respect, but compliance with the rules of the Russian language.
        Because of some traitors, I should not distort the spelling. hi
        The feeling of charity for such characters can be expressed without departing from the norms of decency
        1. Usher 23 January 2020 14: 09 New
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          Quote: glory1974
          Why are you writing her name with a capital letter?

          A name with a capital letter is not a sign of respect, but compliance with the rules of the Russian language.
          Because of some traitors, I should not distort the spelling. hi
          The feeling of charity for such characters can be expressed without departing from the norms of decency

          On the contrary, contempt must be shown, they do not understand another language.
    2. eagle owl 21 January 2020 12: 34 New
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      Suppose Kalashnikov created many weapons in his life. But on foreign self-taught - dohrenstva questions. Stoner. AR-10, survival carabiner (fierce homemade) and a copy of Erlikon! In AR-10 - not a single new idea:
      The trigger mechanism was taken from the Czech Cholek. The operation scheme of automation with direct exposure to powder gases on the shutter frame was taken from the first Swedish Ag m / 42 self-loading. The rotating shutter larva with a large number of fighting stops suspiciously resembled the design of Melvin Johnson from his 1941 self-loading rifle. But the most inspiring was ... German StG.44 - they took a "turning point" scheme, a window blind for ejecting cartridges and a return spring in the butt.

      Moreover, the AR-10 was not brought to a decent form by Nichrome Stoner. and two ENGINEERS with education - Robert Fremont and Jim Sullivan.
      But Glock generally has 1 gun and nothing more. He definitely invented it. instead of spioneryl somewhere? For all my life - nothing more has been done. Muse flew away? Somehow not to compare them with Kalashnikov
      1. beeper 21 January 2020 14: 58 New
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        hi Gaston Glock and his partner (I don’t remember the name and surname, after the success of the enterprise with a gun, in order not to share his income and fame, he attempted to shoot at Gaston’s life with a gunshot, he shot him point-blank, seriously injuring him, but, after solving this crime, for a long time "crouched" in the prison and "his name is erased" ...) - co-owners of the hardware factory, which supplied the Austrian army engineer shovels and other trifles.

        To participate in the competition for a pistol for the Austrian army, Gaston Glock invited gunsmith engineers and set them the task to analyze the application experience, previous designs and development trends of army pistols in order to construct a competitive prototype based on this analysis.

        The found (mostly compilative, as well as usually combine combinations of assembling units and parts already tested in other, experimental and serial models of small arms of various systems) and the constructive solutions used in the gun turned out to be successful.
        Finishing metal parts with a durable fluorine-containing coating ("tennis"?), Design (quite unusual for that time) and ergonomics did not disappoint - the Austrian military liked the pistol in terms of its performance characteristics, price and quality.

        So, “the firm (but not the designer — the hired engineers designed the gun, non-trivially expressing themselves at the same time — able to translate innovative concepts into metal and plastic and the design solutions that were not very common until then, for example, I was penetrated by the use of commonplace ones, like in some then a typewriter, tension springs in Glokovsky USM, which is generally uncharacteristic of shooting systems!) Gaston Glock correctly took a chance, carefully prepared his business proposal and got involved in a new business for himself, and by no means lost, he was a big winner! good

        I believe that it was Glock’s lack of basic weapons education and stereotypical knowledge in the weapon industry that allowed him to take a fresh look at the problem of personal weapons — his Glock-17 was by no means the first serial “plastic pistol”, but it was he who a complex of qualities and its general concept, "broke the general template" and became a truly revolutionary model for comparison and imitation in many countries! yes
    3. Paul Siebert 21 January 2020 18: 31 New
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      walked along Kalashnikov, supposedly he did not have a special education

      I’ll tell you more - Bulgakov had not a philological education, but a medical one.
      Stalin - did not finish the seminary.
      And Lomonosov is generally a Pomeranian peasant.
      Geniuses do not need education. They just appear and remain in eternity.
      1. eagle owl 22 January 2020 10: 06 New
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        You save your phrase. And when asked to show. which means to confuse the warm with the soft ... But you have it - ready!
        1. Paul Siebert 22 January 2020 11: 06 New
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          Stop plumping, peanut butter specialist! ... lol
          1. eagle owl 22 January 2020 11: 43 New
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            Pashka, I’m for peanuts ... And for butter. You say. how to slow down the piston in the SCS, and why this cannot be done in the oar - then I will talk to you. And so - you're a whiner and cheap. Give a cookie?
            1. Paul Siebert 22 January 2020 13: 05 New
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              Let yourself bite your cookie.
              Butter peanut butter.
              Natural dove of the world - flew in, crap, flew away!
              1. eagle owl 22 January 2020 14: 17 New
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                "And we are intelligence. And we are intelligence." Well, there is one - "we rarely go." Pavlo, and you sold out yesterday. Hold the cookie. So - from shit advice is not needed
                1. Paul Siebert 22 January 2020 18: 33 New
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                  Well now - I see.
                  Your dad wanted a girl.
                  But I did not try very hard.
                  The result was an old woman not subject to appeal.
                  The SCS piston specialist, who read about them on the site, knows how to spoil neighbors under the door and quietly spits them in pots with soup.
                  Try to serve, miracle ...
                  At least a year.
                  1. eagle owl 22 January 2020 18: 51 New
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                    And when for the girls in the method will end. what is arbeiten boom? Not, clearly, clearly, noble gentlemen will not leave)))
                    It is true to give an opportunity to leave in life - at all. Do you even understand what I asked you? Apparently not. So that you know, not all snipers-specialists know such a thing. I was in the know. what is it - you cannot know. Reaction. the hobbit. Reaction
      2. eagle owl 24 January 2020 03: 17 New
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        ... and was a drug addict - affects
      3. eagle owl 24 January 2020 03: 20 New
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        Quote: Paul Siebert
        Geniuses do not need education.

        Lomonosov agrees with you. That is why he waved the mileage. Genius. Why education
        Young man, and you know. Who is Butlerov? "Organic chemistry is now such a dark forest. Only a hero can climb into it." By the way, it’s about Butlerov that’s said
  3. Pessimist22 21 January 2020 09: 52 New
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    FN FAL is much cooler.
  4. Catfish 21 January 2020 10: 03 New
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    Stoner also had other interesting developments, for example, the Stoner 63 machine gun, which was successfully used by special forces during the Vietnam War.

  5. Operator 21 January 2020 12: 24 New
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    Stoner as a gunsmith is an order of magnitude higher than Kalashnikov, since he invented the innovative AR automation, in contrast to the compiled AK automation.
    1. vomag 21 January 2020 12: 52 New
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      Quote: Operator
      Stoner as a gunsmith is an order of magnitude higher than Kalashnikov

      My friend yes you * not universal * if you think so .. Kalashnikov is a GENIUS and it recognizes the WHOLE WORLD!
  6. Operator 21 January 2020 12: 55 New
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    Quote: vomag
    You * not universal *

    And you, therefore, are already "very smart" laughing
  7. Old26 21 January 2020 13: 49 New
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    Quote: Uhu
    Moreover, the AR-10 was not brought to a decent form by Nichrome Stoner. and two ENGINEERS with education - Robert Fremont and Jim Sullivan.
    But Glock generally has 1 gun and nothing more. He definitely invented it. instead of spioneryl somewhere? For all my life - nothing more has been done. Muse flew away? Somehow not to compare them with Kalashnikov

    Well, after the first competition of 1946, when the winner was not finally determined, the Kalashnikov assault rifle was also brought not only by Mikhail Timofeevich. There were other people there.
    in general, the biggest stupidity is always that the designer is exposed as a sort of lone hero who does everything himself, from the first to the last screw. His task is an idea and an algorithm for its execution. And the details are already being thought out by associates.
    The same Tokakrev created his TT based on the work of the same Browning (at least externally). But in this case it is impossible to say that this is a copy. The same Fedorov, creating his machine gun did not work in a vacuum.
    I liked the phrase Makarov from the first edition of D.N. Bolotov "Soviet small arms." The essence of the phrase is that Makarov was asked how his pistol suddenly won the contest. After all, surely there were better and more perfect samples?
    To which he replied that yes, there were the best ones, but the team determined the win, in particular the testers who shot his products day and night and unlike others and thanks to them he was able to remove those childhood diseases that appear in new weapons, in particular delays in firing
    1. beeper 21 January 2020 16: 35 New
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      I liked the phrase Makarov from the first edition of D.N. Bolotov "Soviet small arms." The essence of the phrase is that Makarov was asked how his pistol suddenly won the contest. After all, surely there were better and more perfect samples?

      hi Comrade Stary26, that Makarov phrase is my favorite, it always helped me build and live, in the most difficult moments I remembered it, remembered it by heart! yes
      the answer of Nikolai Fedorovich Makarov from the book of D. N. Bolotin;
      "How can I explain my success in creating a pistol? -First of all, the enormous work that я invested in this business. Suffice it to say that я at that time he worked every day, practically without days off, from 8 a.m. to two or three in the morning, as a result of which я I finished and shot samples in two, or even three times more than my rivals, which certainly made it possible to perfect the reliability and survivability. "

      Not a word about the team! This is laterin the manufacture of a pilot batch and when putting the Makarov pistol into serial production, thousands of people put their knowledge, their experience and their own work into the excellent prototype, a high-quality and reliable PM that we knew in Soviet times, before the Gorbachev perturbations started from the “raw” prototype that won the competition "state acceptance", "conversion" and "self-sufficiency" in the "defense industry"

      The theoretician and the practice of weapons business, Vladimir Grigorievich Fedorov, had not only talent but also professional knowledge to burn their own path in “gun automatism” —this was our Russian “Moses Browning”, because it was not only its original machine gun , but he also developed the original cartridge of “reduced rifle power” for it (by the way, the mechanic V. A. Degtyarev at that time was at his grasp, he was carrying out Fedor's ideas in metal and was gaining his mind!)!

      But after the revolution, the Bolsheviks V.G. Fedorov curbed-drove the former tsarist general into the rigid framework of the "party line" and all his initiatives on the "intermediate patron" and "automatism" did not give way; only, de facto, the Finnish-Soviet war confirmed Fedorov’s rightness in matters of the need for mass rapid-fire compact weapons in the armament of the infantry, and the captured German “storm troopers” confirmed Fedorov’s rightness on the “intermediate cartridge” and rapid-fire weapons under this cartridge, then everything started to “catch up with German ju fast-witted "(" there is no prophet in his Fatherland "- are we looking all over the West ?!)!

      About the need for a smaller than 7,62mm caliber of infantry automatic weapons "military specialist (and honored" twice general!) "V.G. Fedorov also persistently wrote to the GAU Artcom in the early 30s, but his opinion was equally persistently ignored "waders", after the war, too, there was no time for Fedorov's prophecies ... right up to the moment of the capture of the American 5,56 mm M-16 rifle in Vietnam - and also, only after that, everything shifted and "rolled" into a new "catch and overtake America "!
  8. Old26 21 January 2020 16: 44 New
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    Kamrad! Of course, I did not quote the phrase verbatim, but the meaning remained. Yes, the word team didn’t sound there (literally), but you have to understand that Nikolai Fedorovich didn’t shoot his own samples. Yes. colossal performance and work from dawn to dark played a role. But without the materials on the shooting, not knowing when the delay occurred and what was the reason, he could not really bring his pistol "To the ideal." And the shooters were about them, weapon testers, unfortunately we sometimes know much less (if at all) than about the designers themselves
    1. beeper 21 January 2020 17: 07 New
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      And the shooters were about them, weapon testers, unfortunately we sometimes know much less (if at all) than about the designers themselves

      hi There are many pages in the books of Kalashnikov and Malimon about weapon testers. winked
      Honestly, according to published memoirs, many of our designers (of the old school, at least) of individual (and group-degtyarevsky DP-27, Goryunovsky SG-43, ....) small arms were by no means felts and tested their own experienced samples at creation and refinement (since it is faster and more reliable according to the results!), before submitting to the competition and handing over to official test testers weapons with their "shooting materials" ?! winked
  9. Old26 21 January 2020 18: 17 New
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    Quote: pishchak
    Honestly, according to published memoirs, many of our designers (of the old school, at least) of individual (and group-degtyarevsky DP-27, Goryunovsky SG-43, ....) small arms were by no means felts and tested their own experienced samples at creation and refinement (since it is faster and more reliable according to the results!), before submitting to the competition and handing over to official test testers weapons with their "shooting materials" ?!

    Not felts, I do not argue. And before the competition they themselves were informed, also not a contested fact. It's about the competition itself, when the barrel was supposed to shoot the required number of shots ...
    1. beeper 21 January 2020 20: 56 New
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      It's about the competition itself, when the barrel was supposed to shoot the required amount

      hi As I understand it, comrade Stary26, during a competitive shooting, the designer is no longer allowed to his brainchild (weapon testers must eliminate the delays and malfunctions themselves ?!) and recommendations can be made based on the results of the intermediate stages of the competition (if the sample is admitted to the next stage of testing) the ability to fix breakdowns and refine parts ?!

      The fact that Kalashnikov and Zaitsev, between stages, were allowed during the competition (Deikin, senior service manager, closest consultant and curator of the author of the AK on his business trip to Degtyarev’s Kovrov plant-patrimony, who also participated in this competition, like his gunsmiths-degtyarevtsy ), in violation of the initial conditions generally binding on all participants, a radical re-assembly of the machine was caused by the urgent need to quickly re-equip the Soviet infantry with quick-fire weapons under the "intermediate cartridge" - the situation in the world was heated constant!

      Judging by the recollections of the wife of Nikolai Fedorovich Makarov (a film from the series “Shock Force”), he, worrying about his creation from a distance (being “behind the barrier” from the line of fire), unofficially asked for a sample of his main competitor tester Baryshevsky pistol for a moment to pull back the shutter to see the breech of the barrel ...
      And when he saw it, he was delighted, since it became completely clear to him that the competitor could not cope with the “vagaries” of delivering a 9x18 mm pistol cartridge and his pistol was guaranteed to lose in reliability, although it showed the best accuracy of shooting ...
      1. mat-vey 22 January 2020 16: 40 New
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        “in violation of the initial conditions generally binding on all participants” is that only the participants who took the first two places are allowed to the next stage, and Mikhail Timofeyevich’s assault rifle took third place, but was the only trunk that fulfilled all the conditions of the competition?
        1. beeper 22 January 2020 19: 42 New
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          hi No, not this, aka Mat-vey, but a radical alteration-re-arrangement of the entire structure during the competition!
          By no means not all conditions of the competition were met- the big complaint was about the accuracy of automatic fire, but they decided to postpone, in the name of speedy refinement and adoption of the Soviet infantry of the automatic weapons so necessary for it under an intermediate cartridge and saturating the army with them, to postpone the accuracy of AK for later (after all, the infantry division mainly had self-loading Simon SCS with satisfactory accuracy of fire ...) ....

          At the machine gun of Mikhail Timofeevich there was good potential for the construction of nodes(for example, the area of ​​the combat stops had a specific pressure margin - it was deformed less with a large shot, a short locking unit with an automatic cam located on the same plane with the combat stops, allowing the use of a thin-walled stamped receiver, ..) and energy reserve(for example, in AK, the shutter frame with the shutter comes to its extreme rear position and hits the stop at a speed of 5 meters per second, which, of course, negatively affects the accuracy of shooting, but favorably on the reliability of the system in difficult conditions, with competitors' assault rifles , distinguished by better accuracy, the retractable parts were lighter and moved at lower speeds due to the lower pressure of the powder gases discharged into the automation drive, but in difficult conditions the supply of energy was not enough for the normal functioning of the system Topics that entailed delays and failures)!

          In addition, Sergeant Kalashnikov served right there, at the NIIPSMVO training ground, all the improvements made to the design could be quickly checked and brought up without tedious coordination ... It was important, because the air sparked in the new world war and the deadlines were running out!

          I think that is why the main attention and hopes of the tender committee (which consisted mainly of employees and employees of the NIIPSMVO) were paid to the MiTIM design ?! winked
          And, as we now know, this was a rational decision, quite justified in those realities and the specified timelines for the implementation of the important state task set for our gunsmiths! yes
          IMHO

          You can learn in more detail from the books of Kalashnikov, Malimon, Monetchikov, Fedorov, Blagonravov, ... memoirs of participants and other official sources of information!
          1. mat-vey 23 January 2020 15: 57 New
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            Well, if you read all this, you should be aware that at the first stage of the second competition there was a requirement for pre-loading with an adjoined store and only one of the samples submitted to the competition fulfilled this requirement, namely the AK-46.
            1. beeper 23 January 2020 19: 04 New
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              Quote: mat-vey
              Well, if you read all this, you should be aware that at the first stage of the second competition there was a requirement for pre-loading with an adjoined store and only one of the samples submitted to the competition fulfilled this requirement, namely the AK-46.

              hi Of course, of course! yes You have Mat_vey speech about all conditions, and I have-about the allowed radical alteration-re-arrangement of the competitive machine, contrary to general conditions for all, only as a well-known striking example deviations from the original conditions of the competition in force urgent state need.
              And I didn’t plan to “go into details” regarding AK in detail — the material of the Article under discussion was about Eugene Stoner ?! wink
              1. mat-vey 24 January 2020 14: 07 New
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                So to admit to testing the trunk does not meet the conditions of the competition is it not "contrary to general conditions" ????
                I didn’t plan the same, but such logic always struck me ...
                1. beeper 24 January 2020 19: 34 New
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                  Quote: mat-vey
                  So to admit to testing the trunk does not meet the conditions of the competition is it not "contrary to general conditions" ????
                  I didn’t plan the same, but such logic always struck me ...

                  hi Honestly, Mat-vey, you really hit me with your "logic" yes - I do not understand this your comment today, what are you talking about ???? request
                  1. mat-vey 25 January 2020 06: 02 New
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                    About your “logic”, trunks specifically violating the conditions of the competition were allowed to test, and the only trunk that fulfilled all the conditions of the competition, although it took third place, is a violation of the general conditions. And everyone understands that the third place is just due to the complete completion of the technical task ..
                    PySy - Mikhail Timofeevich, of course, there was a man for them, but with Ustinov, the relationship was very ambiguous ...
                    1. beeper 25 January 2020 10: 41 New
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                      You and I, Mat-vey, see, we are talking about different things — I am “about Thomas,” and you are “about Jerome”. smile
                      Now seems to understand you winked . You, alas, with this obsessive theme of yours all conditions of the competition "harnessed themselves (after reading my illustrative example with the post-war competition and meeting a familiar name, we took advantage of the" opportunity "to demonstrate our" unique "awareness in" all conditions of the competition "?! wink ) " out of context of my return post to our esteemed colleague Old26, hence the "misunderstandings" with the "logic" about the trend, about the "forest", and you-about in particular, about the "trees"(thereby, wolens-nolens, leading away from the original essence of my comment)! yes
                      No offense. hi
                      1. mat-vey 25 January 2020 10: 46 New
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                        "and having met a familiar name, they used the" opportunity "to demonstrate their" unique "awareness in" all the conditions of the competition "?!" - Do you always judge everyone by yourself?
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    "Time ahead", "underestimated" ....... blah blah blah ... Maybe, like sports or hunting, Stoner's rifles are excellent, but like an infantryman’s weapon, it’s below average.
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    I watched the film of Vladimir Onokoy earlier on YouTube, but with pleasure watched it once more on the TopVar.ru site
    I was pleased that the background of the images and the entire transmission is mostly light good -Dear video author, moved away from the practice of shooting in dim lighting and against a dark background, at the wrong angle, when the details of the weapon are almost invisible!
    In principle, I liked the duration and content of the stated topic! good

    The fact that the Stoner design of the alloy receiver (“receiver”) is technological is how to look! winked
    The design of the Upper and Lover even with its external configuration reflects the high-tech aviation profile of the production experience of Eugene Stoner and the method that was widely used at that time in the aviation industry - "die casting of aluminum alloys in a metal mold"!
    This method of obtaining parts requires qualified and expensive preparation of production, but it minimizes subsequent machining, significantly reducing the cost of highly skilled labor, "large-scale" allows you to get a low manufacturing cost and high metal utilization rate, as well as smooth, without "undercutting" of metal layers, a picture of the stress distribution in the sections of the parts (of course, when the “receiver” is made not by casting in a chill mold, but on a multi-axis milling machine, from a solid duralumin oh, “blanks”, the metal utilization factor drops significantly, as does the stress pattern in the “body” of parts much more “sharp” and with “undercuts” of layers, but it can withstand cyclic workloads without complaints ?! winked ).

    In my Russian design view, there is one “ugly”, too low-tech and non-constructive, cross-section (“squiggle”), “cutting (personally to me) eye” in the Stoner “receiver”, because it is produced in an “unregulated” war personnel and ersatz materials, it would make this receiver completely problematic, both in manufacturing (including the percentage of manufacturing defects) and in operation!
    But from the point of view of the American aircraft engineer, who looks at all wars only from a safe and peaceful (sky-hardened) coast of the ocean, it’s clear that Eugene saw in a completely different way, very acceptable — he was brought up and educated with completely different examples!

    For our (military and interwar) conditions, it is AKM or AK-74 that is technologically more suitable, suitable for serial production and assembly in more or less adapted mechanic workshops, provided that the shafts and some “command parts” are centrally supplied, as was the case with PPSh. ..

    In general, I liked the video of the respected Vladimir Onokoy! yes
  12. trahterist 23 January 2020 22: 54 New
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    Quote: pishchak
    hi Gaston Glock and his partner (I don’t remember the name and surname, after the success of the enterprise with a gun, in order not to share his income and fame, he attempted to shoot at Gaston’s life with a gunshot, he shot him point-blank, seriously injuring him, but, after solving this crime, for a long time "crouched" in the prison and "his name is erased" ...) - co-owners of the hardware factory, which supplied the Austrian army engineer shovels and other trifles.

    To participate in the competition for a pistol for the Austrian army, Gaston Glock invited gunsmith engineers and set them the task to analyze the application experience, previous designs and development trends of army pistols in order to construct a competitive prototype based on this analysis.

    The found (mostly compilative, as well as usually combine combinations of assembling units and parts already tested in other, experimental and serial models of small arms of various systems) and the constructive solutions used in the gun turned out to be successful.
    Finishing metal parts with a durable fluorine-containing coating ("tennis"?), Design (quite unusual for that time) and ergonomics did not disappoint - the Austrian military liked the pistol in terms of its performance characteristics, price and quality.

    So, “the firm (but not the designer — the hired engineers designed the gun, non-trivially expressing themselves at the same time — able to translate innovative concepts into metal and plastic and the design solutions that were not very common until then, for example, I was penetrated by the use of commonplace ones, like in some then a typewriter, tension springs in Glokovsky USM, which is generally uncharacteristic of shooting systems!) Gaston Glock correctly took a chance, carefully prepared his business proposal and got involved in a new business for himself, and by no means lost, he was a big winner! good

    I believe that it was Glock’s lack of basic weapons education and stereotypical knowledge in the weapon industry that allowed him to take a fresh look at the problem of personal weapons — his Glock-17 was by no means the first serial “plastic pistol”, but it was he who a complex of qualities and its general concept, "broke the general template" and became a truly revolutionary model for comparison and imitation in many countries! yes

    There is a vivid example-analogue in electronic pribludy.
    Steve Jobs.
    I didn’t invent anything technical, I didn’t implement it, I just managed it, but all the fame went to him.
    And here is another Steve, the one that Wozniak, and the team of engineers are completely forgotten and not advertised.
    The usual thing in the West is to move the real creators, and make the huckster a hero.
    1. beeper 24 January 2020 06: 40 New
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      There is a vivid example-analogue in electronic pribludy.
      Steve Jobs.
      I didn’t invent anything technical, I didn’t implement it, I just managed it, but all the fame went to him.
      And here is another Steve, the one that Wozniak, and the team of engineers are completely forgotten and not advertised.
      The usual thing in the West is to move the real creators, and make the huckster a hero.

      hi Strongly agree with you, dear Trahterist! yes
      But this phenomenon, alas, is international! In the Ukrainian, Soviet and post-Soviet factories, where he worked, it was the same way — you won’t take your boss as co-author and everything, even economically profitable for the enterprise, will be "braked" - more than once this "hit the wall" and all sorts of cunning loafers "explained" to me how to "do the right thing" request .
      It’s just implemented it, if I had the opportunity, and didn’t “say” anything, because we then “built” everything “for the sake of a person, everything for the benefit of a person (then, however, you add silently, looking in the TV set at the self-righteous politburoshnye old-timers, - "and you know the name of this man" smile , and now it’s already clear that for the benefit of the clever “grabbers” of our public property ...).
      And when he "inscribed" such parasites, it was usually "all in the ointment" and even, as a "petty co-author", "a little bit" small "from the master's table" dripped. smile
      All the fame went to them, supposedly to "creaks", just as "candidate-doctoral" were written for them, and to their children - "diplomas". With the "independence (I don’t know how it was in Russia)" everything only got worse ...

      Even under the Union, one of our colleagues (a shy modest woman, extremely talented and with amazing graphics of drawings), a design engineer for dies and molds, we, on occasion, friendlyly encouraged, calling her "many times an engineer" - she loved humor and laughed merrily at this (and what she had to do, after all, almost all the "technically educated" undergrowths and other relatives-friends of the factory bosses were "certified" by her bright head and painstaking vigils by the culman! wink ).

      About "Our Steve", Wozniak, those who are in the know, we always remember, he, in life, is a real Engineer and honored Inventor! good

      Thank you for your sensible comments on VO, comrade Trahterist, I’m always interested in reading them (all), it’s a pity that you rarely write (but aptly! smile )! good
  13. redstorm333 25 January 2020 12: 43 New
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    again about Kalash, engineers
    But what has the already adopted AC-44 been abandoned?
    that engineers durgie could not bring it? could
    already the party was released into the army?
    Yeah, the Kalashnikovs are such a genius that, at the request of him personally to move the strap, I stupidly ignored and went with the team in parts, making a show.
    1. mat-vey 26 January 2020 05: 32 New
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      About "already adopted by the AS-44" is it from the secret archives from under the pillow?