Why the union of Russia and China is real only on TV


The prospect of creating a Eurasian “center of power” from Kaliningrad to Shanghai clearly scares the “collective West”. This can lead to a change in the leader of humanity. The strategic union of Russians and Chinese is a terrible dream of all Western politicians.


Why does the integration of Russia and China stand still


However, there is no real integration and strategic partnership between Russia and the Celestial Empire. There is only an appearance, an illusion, created to calm the layman. Like, there is an alliance, a strategic Chinese rear, so the West is not afraid of us. In reality, Beijing is in no hurry to become shoulder to shoulder with Russia against the West and the United States.

The fact is that China is a world factory, including for Europe and the USA, and a new world financial center. In this situation, the Chinese comrades are not eager to participate with Russia in the confrontation with the United States. At the same time, Beijing is not averse to putting the Russians at the forefront while there is a “trade war” with Washington and both sides agree on constructive cooperation. The essence of the Celestial Strategy is well expressed in the phrase of Mao Zedong: "A smart monkey sits on top of a hill and watches two tigers fight in the valley." The People's Republic of China has already won this game once, when the USSR and the USA opposed each other. Now, in the conflict between the Russian Federation and the United States, China again wins.

Also, the Chinese are happy to master the former high Soviet technology. Including the wreckage of high technology in Little Russia (Ukraine): aircraft construction, engine building, shipbuilding and rocket science. China is happy to take Russian resources for its global factory. At the same time, the "Power of Siberia" means almost nothing to the red dragon, just Beijing received another reserve. For Russia, this pipe is of little use, even unprofitable, and it is obvious that it will no longer pay off. Only contractors who have mastered huge resources are in the black. The same will happen with the project “Power of Siberia - 2”.

The point is the inequality of the political and economic systems of Russia and China. Russia in the 1990s returned to the past - to the capitalist formation, in some places collapsed further, to neo-feudalism. And degradation continues in almost all respects. The neighbors have “socialism with Chinese characteristics” (national socialism). Chinese socialism is demonstrating its successes: the world's first economy, the new financial center of the planet (with the possibility of the emergence of a new global currency based on the golden yuan), breakthroughs in science and technology, rapidly developing armed forces that can soon replace Americans in the place of the "world gendarme." His global project: "One belt - one way." Russia's GDP is comparable to that of one province of the PRC Guangdong.

Obviously, in such conditions, if a real Russian-Chinese union is created, Beijing will dominate. This may lead to the absorption of the Russian "elite" by the Chinese Communist Party (this will be especially noticeable in the east of the country, beyond the Urals). The Russian eastern regions will focus primarily on Beijing, not Moscow. It is worth noting that this process is underway even now, which in the long term will lead to the division of the Russian Federation between the West and the Celestial Empire along the Urals.

Moscow does not want to go at hand of Xi Jinping and the Chinese Communists. Liberals and Westerners, prevailing in the Russian "elite", prefer orientation to France, Germany, England, the USA and Israel. The West is still turning a blind eye to the "caches" and "stash" of the capital of our "responsible businessmen" and officials, while China publicly punishes its thieves, including the removal of refugees to the PRC and the execution of those who are against the will of the people's party. Such conditions clearly do not like Russian business and government. Therefore, the union of Russia and China is so far real only in the television picture.

Which Russia is interesting to China


A true alliance between Russia and China is possible only if the political and economic systems are identical. This is socialism, the dominant role of the Russian People’s Party, state property - the nationalization of land, mineral resources, waters, forests and all strategic enterprises. The Chinese are very carefully studying the legacy of the USSR and the CPSU, the positive Soviet experience - the Stalinist empire, and negative - the "perestroika" of Gorbachev and the death of the Union. The personality of Stalin in the Middle Kingdom is respected (Russian liberals openly hate Stalin). The Russian Federation, conceptually and ideologically, financially and economically subordinate to the West, cannot be an ally to the red dragon. Only as a source of still available technologies and raw materials. But not as a strategic ally.

Thus, the demonstrated alliance between Russia and China remained on paper and on television. There will be no real rapprochement between Moscow and Beijing as long as capitalism of a peripheral, semi-colonial type dominates in Russia. However, it is obvious that the Celestial Empire will support Russia (including in the new industrialization), which will follow the path of the revival of socialism with "Russian specifics" - USSR-2, the Russian Union. China benefits from an alliance with a strong and independent Russia, as in the days of Stalin. A back-to-back alliance, when both great powers are independent and strong, autocratic in their actions and provide each other with a strategic rear.

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  1. Pessimist22 21 January 2020 05: 16 New
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    Clearly, I thought about China, and this is about Stalin again.
    1. WILL 21 January 2020 05: 36 New
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      Quote: Pessimist22
      Clearly, I thought about China, and this is about Stalin again.

      About Stalin, only the last subsection.
      Do not forget that China has had no allies in its entire history!
      The Chinese are serious nationalists, rather biased towards the “whites”. Actually they have something to dislike for Europeans, especially the British. The attitude towards the Russians is somewhat better; they are interested in our history, culture, and art. This is due primarily to the historical respect of our ancestors - who left vast territories to their descendants, who did not lose their independence and sovereignty.
      You need to be smarter, in Asia-Pacific, there is more than one China, the region is so complex that the contradictions between countries sometimes last for centuries. It is necessary to develop relations with everyone - and China against this background will be more accommodating.
      1. rich 21 January 2020 06: 21 New
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        Author:A true alliance between Russia and China is possible only if the political and economic systems are identical. This is socialism. .. There will be no real rapprochement between Moscow and Beijing as long as capitalism of a peripheral, semi-colonial type dominates in Russia. However, it is obvious that the Celestial Empire will support Russia (including in the new industrialization), which will follow the path of the revival of socialism

        Author, do you seriously think that this is all the matter? belay
        1. Romka 21 January 2020 08: 34 New
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          Does the author of the article think that socialism is in China?
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          2. Lelek 21 January 2020 15: 02 New
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            Quote: Romka
            Does the author of the article think that socialism is in China?

            hi
            Socialism in Chinese, as well as the concept of friendship, is also Chinese (the Far East of Russia is flooded with Chinese "little brothers" with the approval of the Central Committee of the CPC, and Chinese ICBMs on the border with Russia are the friendly hand of the descendants of Mao).

            The last phrase is especially striking in this text.
            1. Alexey RA 21 January 2020 16: 43 New
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              Quote: Lelek
              Socialism in Chinese, as well as the concept of friendship, is also Chinese (the Far East of Russia is flooded with Chinese "little brothers" with the approval of the Central Committee of the CPC, and Chinese ICBMs on the border with Russia are the friendly hand of the descendants of Mao).

              In fact, the nomination of Chinese mobile ICBMs to the border with the Russian Federation is clearly not directed against the Russian Federation. Just because no one in their right mind would withdraw the strategic nuclear forces from safe areas under enemy attack: China’s ICBMs advanced to the border were within the reach of three RBRs on Iskander.
              The reason for the nomination is different - China, when deploying ICBMs, is trying to hide behind Russia.
    2. Finches 21 January 2020 06: 20 New
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      Somehow, after another brilliant reformist decision to reduce the Armed Forces, I spoke with the brigade commander whose task is to cover the state border in the area with “friendly” China - he tells me - I have 3000 km, 2500 people here, and that parties "friendly" millionth grouping! Therefore, I’m not afraid of Chinese aggression, said the brigade commander, they simply won’t find us ... laughing
      So we are friends with them in full - our doors are open - come in wherever you want, take whatever you want!
      1. bessmertniy 21 January 2020 07: 30 New
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        For China, Russia is interesting as a raw materials appendage, and not as an ally. And in this regard, he does not care what kind of system we have. He needs cheap resources, and they flow in rivers from Russia to China. Without processing and increasing the surplus value of products. hi
        1. Slon379 21 January 2020 07: 55 New
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          Like everyone else. How can you not isolate yourself with this?
        2. Lelek 21 January 2020 15: 07 New
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          Quote: bessmertniy
          For China, Russia is interesting as a raw materials appendage, and not as an ally.

          hi
          For now, yes. And in the future, as the territory of China to the Urals.
          1. Alexey RA 21 January 2020 16: 47 New
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            Quote: Lelek
            For now, yes. And in the future, as the territory of China to the Urals.

            Yes, yes, yes, without settling their north, the Chinese simply dream to settle even further north.

            It is easier and cheaper for China to buy resources from the Russian Federation than to mine them in the occupied territories.
      2. Sergey1987 21 January 2020 10: 53 New
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        Quote: Finches
        I have 3000 km here, 2500 people, and on the other hand there is a "friendly" million-strong group!

        Do not tell me where this team is located?
        1. Finches 21 January 2020 18: 55 New
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          No, I won’t tell you! hi
        2. carstorm 11 22 January 2020 05: 59 New
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          69 brigade covering Babstovo EAO apparently. or 36 brigade Transbaikalia. True, the entire army of China is 2 million people and is divided into 5 districts in my opinion and only two physically border with us. what is the millionth group against him, I personally do not quite understand)
          1. Sergey1987 22 January 2020 10: 12 New
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            Quote: carstorm 11
            69 brigade covering Babstovo EAO apparently. or 36 brigade Transbaikalia.

            Perhaps, but they certainly are not forced to cover 3000 km.
            1. carstorm 11 22 January 2020 10: 15 New
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              Yes and can’t. call it a red word expression)
    3. Svarog 21 January 2020 07: 24 New
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      Great article. There are of course points that can be discussed .. for example, an alliance with China. In my opinion, even if we return to the idea of ​​socialism, an alliance is unlikely to be possible .. An alliance will be possible when we are again in the lead .. but otherwise, everything is wonderful and correctly written.
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        1. aybolyt678 21 January 2020 12: 30 New
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          Quote: Sergey1987
          Delusional article. Another opus of lies of Samsonov.

          this is just an opinion, get excited. winked
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        2. solzh 21 January 2020 14: 43 New
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          Quote: Sergey1987
          Crazy article

          Nothing like this. The article describes everything correctly. I have written more than once on the site that China needs us only as long as something can be obtained from us at a reduced price. We are for China the usual store where they earn.
          And correctly wrote Svarog:
          Quote: Svarog
          Union will be possible when we again lead
          1. Reklastik 22 January 2020 06: 49 New
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            But China is in the lead, which means that Russia’s alliance is possible on its part, right? Or is it possible only an alliance between equals with some significant common interests?
          2. Sergey1987 22 January 2020 09: 59 New
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            Quote: solzh
            Nothing like this. The article describes everything correctly.

            What is correctly described there? About China? The Russian Federation and the PRC have normal, normal trade relations, but the author drew socialism here, wrote a bunch of lies, starting from the Power of Siberia and ending with the study of the experience of the Stalin Soviet Union by China. Moreover, he really believes that in China socialism. In fact, it is possible for each item of nonsense to list what he wrote. And it turns out that China is directly waiting for it to enter into an alliance with us as soon as we all nationalize and embark on the path of socialism. Just nonsense.
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  2. Mityay65 21 January 2020 05: 26 New
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    A true alliance between Russia and China is possible only if the political and economic systems are identical.

    This is a misconception. A strategic alliance is possible and desirable. Both in the format of the RF + PRC, and in the format of the RF + PRC + EU. Naturally, we will be friends against striped villains Yankees.
    In any case, it is in the interests of Russia. This is a calculation for new technologies, new investments, a huge new market, ideas ... And interesting options for military interaction.
    But about China it is not clear. Strategic alliances are not in the political and military tradition of China, he always preferred proud loneliness and lived his own mind. Even when he was punished for it. This has long been noticed, by the way, in the West - the Chinese do not have a great ability to cooperate and the ability to benefit from it, these are probably the psychological features of the mass consciousness of the Chinese. They spent half their history in feuds, internecine wars, and fragmentation. The central authority of the emperors only united the country for a while.
    China may well prefer the US gigantic market, from which it now derives the maximum benefit, from an alliance with Russia.
    Therefore, if a strategic union is possible, then this is a matter for the future. Everything will be fairly gradual.
    1. atalef 21 January 2020 06: 10 New
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      Quote: Mityai65
      format of the RF + PRC + EU. Naturally, we will be friends against the Yankee striped villains.

      Do they need it? Make friends against America.
      Quote: Mityai65
      the Chinese do not have a great ability to cooperate and the ability to benefit from it

      come on.
      How could they become a second economy without this?
      Quote: Mityai65
      They spent half their history in feuds, internecine wars, and fragmentation.

      Confirm your words somehow?
      Quote: Mityai65
      China may well prefer the US gigantic market, from which it now derives the maximum benefit, from an alliance with Russia.

      new joke.
      fuck ass harmony?
      Saw the branch on which it sits.
      Yesterday you signed a new trade agreement, you certainly prefer not to notice.
      Quote: Mityai65
      Therefore, if a strategic alliance is possible, then this is a matter for the future.

      or not at all.
    2. Chaldon48 21 January 2020 06: 22 New
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      Xi understands perfectly well that if the hegimon finally slides into anti-Chinese positions in the struggle for a redivision of the world without at least the benevolent neutrality in the face of Russia, China cannot survive against the United States.
      1. bessmertniy 21 January 2020 08: 16 New
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        China should already be well satisfied that it is reliably covered by Russia from the north today. hi
        1. Semurg 21 January 2020 10: 32 New
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          Quote: bessmertniy
          China should already be well satisfied that it is reliably covered by Russia from the north today. hi

          Well, what kind of plan do you have covering Europeans from Asian hordes, now you want to cover the Chinese from the north from Europeans and Americans, maybe it's time to start living simply without covering Europe or China.
          1. bessmertniy 21 January 2020 10: 43 New
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            Do you think that China is vulnerable through the territory of Russia to such opponents as, for example, the United States or Japan? Or for Russia from China may be threatened by aggression of the United States and NATO !!! ??? Your comment just upset me. I did not see the logic in it. hi
            1. Semurg 21 January 2020 10: 56 New
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              The USA and China will not fight, these are your Wishlist. You better watch that the dragon dragon on the back does not stroke the Urals.
        2. Mordvin 3 21 January 2020 11: 19 New
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          Quote: bessmertniy
          from the north today is reliably covered by Russia.

          From whom?
          1. bessmertniy 21 January 2020 11: 26 New
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            Sorry, dear, but the US sees China as a potential military adversary. In economic terms, they have already clashed with each other with sanctions. Of course, a probabilistic adversary does not always become real, but when the WORLD LEADERSHIP rate is bet, one cannot be 100% sure that everything will cost a peaceful transition of leadership from the USA to China. hi
          2. Pissarro 27 January 2020 13: 55 New
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            For example, from economic isolation. The trade routes of China, along which there is export of goods and imports of energy resources, are almost completely under the complete control of the West. Exception Transsib, northern sea route, the power of Siberia. And in China it is well understood
  3. GKS 2111 21 January 2020 05: 27 New
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    Two bears do not live in the same lair and never get along. China has fellow travelers, but no allies. "We do not need allies," say the Chinese. "We are a self-sufficient country." China does not enter into allied relations with anyone. Therefore, count on it’s not worth it to China that it will be our ally, which will periodically “fit in” for us. The Chinese do not want Russia to become their equal partner. Yes, a satellite, please. There are no problems with a resource provider. A subordinate geopolitical player is also happy. But here, this country is not going to build any partnerships with us. And we must always remember that
    1. Serg65 21 January 2020 07: 03 New
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      Quote: GKS 2111
      The Chinese do not want Russia to become their equal partner

      Only one question ... and Russia wants to become an equal partner? In your understanding ...
      1. Pissarro 27 January 2020 13: 58 New
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        Is Russia not an equal partner? What is our position subordinate to China? Are we somewhere solving how the Poles or Georgians are suzerain’s problems contrary to our national interests?
        1. Serg65 27 January 2020 14: 09 New
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          Quote: Pissarro
          Is Russia not an equal partner?

          Quote: Serg65
          Does Russia want to become an equal partner? In your understanding ...


          Quote: GKS 2111
          .A supplier of resources, no problem. A subordinate geopolitical player, also with pleasure. But, this country is not going to build any partnerships with us

          In my opinion, my dear namesake, the union of Russia and China should be based only on the benefit of Russia !!!
  4. rocket757 21 January 2020 05: 31 New
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    Another analysis ..... if only yes!
    It seems that the facts are known, the logic is understandable and the events taking place in it fit ..... yeah, until the next bounce from one side or the other!
    The question is, but in general, someone believes that China is a friend, just such a friend, what ah ???
    Most have long understood that you need to be strong yourself, then there will be travel companions, partners!
  5. apro 21 January 2020 05: 33 New
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    But what is interesting for Russia, the PRC,? That it has something that the Chinese don’t have? A glorious past? Russian-non-Russian capitalists are not entirely reliable partners. Moreover, they are in subordinate positions ...
    China itself can bend its line. And especially do not need anyone's support ... there are enough forces and means.
    1. rich 21 January 2020 11: 10 New
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      apro (Oleg Frolov) You continue to write the name of the country Russia with a capital letter from the commentary into the comment with manic persistence on the Russian forum.
      according to the rules of the site, the use of derogatory vocabulary or nicknames in relation to Russia and its symbols is strictly prohibited
    2. Pissarro 27 January 2020 14: 00 New
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      The resources and trade routes are interesting. And sovereignty. Someone else's glorious past is not interesting to anyone at all. Chinese 5000 years of history are also of little interest to us
  6. Thrifty 21 January 2020 05: 40 New
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    Firstly, China has stopped building socialism in any of its forms with the abolition of pensions! Secondly, China as it was and remained itself the backyard of the EU and the USA! As soon as the Yankees begin to withdraw their production from China, the Chinese economy will go into stagnation, and then collapse, because the same Malays, Taiwanese, Singaporeans, all that the Chinese can easily put on the world market, only cheaper in price, and most importantly, better ! It’s just that China is greatly praised by us, and this country with poverty, with total corruption, having not been able to build socialism, was blown away, and built up bonded terry capitalism under the sauces of socialism. ..
    1. Mordvin 3 21 January 2020 11: 27 New
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      Quote: Thrifty
      Firstly, China has stopped building socialism in any of its forms with the abolition of pensions!

      Just their pensions are gradually being introduced.
      Quote: Thrifty
      It’s just that China is greatly praised by us, and this country with poverty, with total corruption, having not been able to build socialism, was blown away, and built up bonded terry capitalism under the sauces of socialism. ..

      Corruption they shoot. But I wonder why many people think that there is capitalism? For me, this is a hybrid of socialism with capitalism, under the control of the CCP.
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    1. Pessimist22 21 January 2020 06: 52 New
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      Well, it is written that if Russia embarks on the path of socialism and returns the monuments to Stalin, then an alliance is possible, and of course not. smile
    2. Nasrat 21 January 2020 10: 28 New
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      Enter already in the ward of Stalin ..... And then patients are painfully reacting to his absence!
      Every day they demand that he judge them and punish them - there wouldn’t be any life without him, and the staff sent them to the logging site for stealing pottage ....
      And ... let them turn on the TV louder - otherwise not everyone hears "Swan Lake" !!!
      Let us call him ... Stalin! Stalin! Stalin!
    3. Sergey1987 21 January 2020 11: 02 New
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      Quote: atalef
      cry Yaroslavna.
      Analysts are zero.
      A set of cliches and distortion of facts.
      In short, return Stalin and socialism.
      Another old fellow at the ideology adviser level of the CPSU district committee

      Oh wow. What is Alexander with you? For the first time I agree with you.
    4. Kronos 21 January 2020 14: 47 New
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      On the contrary, the only adequate article by Samsonov
      1. Pissarro 27 January 2020 14: 06 New
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        What is adequate in it? Again, the dreams of a billion Chinese people to populate the taiga to the Urals aimlessly, for the sake of principle. What to eat there and where it does not matter for them to work (to extract any resource anywhere you need a maximum of ten thousand). Old horror stories.
        And yes, and we, too, for some reason must strive for China as allies, why should we
        If you have a neighbor, respect his interests and he is yours, friends, help. And do not go to serve him. The logic of normal people and states
  8. Ross xnumx 21 January 2020 06: 11 New
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    Why the union of Russia and China is real only on TV

    Yes, if only because China everything is waiting for the river to swim ...
    А Russia declares that the rumors about her untimely death spread by the State Department and his "Eurosavings" are clearly exaggerated ...
    1. Serg65 21 January 2020 07: 06 New
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      Russia claims that the rumors about her untimely death spread by the State Department and his "Eurosavings" are clearly exaggerated ...

      laughing But you cultivate these rumors every day!
  9. sleeve 21 January 2020 07: 02 New
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    That's about the power of Siberia, the notorious, already fed up. I am not a mathematician in thin areas and expert opinion is required. Suppose a hypothetical zero-day situation with do not understand where it came from, the total volume of 38 billion a year. At current prices in Europe, even excluding the indicated 170 bucks from Gazprom's "lost volume" in the average annual and taking 205 operating, we have 7,8 billion per year in revenue. For 30 years, respectively, 234 billion for 30 years. Where does 400 billion come from? Help the layman ...
    1. Loess 21 January 2020 09: 03 New
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      Quote: sleeve
      Help the layman ...

      I am not aware of the details, but based on your calculations, the estimated price for gas supplied by the Power of Siberia should remain unchanged for 30 years. This moment raises some doubts. All that is known about the gas supply agreement is the annual volume.
      1. sleeve 21 January 2020 09: 17 New
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        That is, 400 billion is a purely empirical amount? Not a real contract? After all, his leadership was voiced. Miller used the contract amount formula. Or is it with gas production? No info? It’s just that the price to China is simply monstrously huge.
        1. Loess 21 January 2020 09: 40 New
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          Quote: sleeve
          That is 400 billion purely empirical amount
          Any long-term project is based on the figures of the "current" day, including taking into account price fluctuations. No one will predict a relatively accurate price for a product (in this case, gas) in decades. In this case, the risk of huge losses for both the seller and the buyer is too great.
          Quote: sleeve
          It’s just that the price to China is simply monstrously huge.

          What does it mean huge? I am inclined to the fact that the estimated amount was taken into account taking into account fluctuations in gas prices. In fact, the price will rise, and in 30 years this amount will be much more announced. At least this is the most likely scenario.
          And the price of the same gas also depends on geopolitics. As an example - the Soviet Union. He was heavily dependent on the sale of energy resources and at the time when he invested in the construction of the corresponding infrastructure - the prices magically collapsed so that all investments turned into a net loss. A dozen years have passed - prices skyrocketed, thanks to which the Russian Federation has already managed not only to gain strength. but also pay off your debts. Now there is a moment of falling prices. The country has a margin of safety. Global prices will rise - the price for China will rise. Again, the Chinese economy will work and without resources, it will not be able to work - which means there will be no problems with sales either.
          The price of energy resources will not rise in only one case - if there is a replacement for these resources. While such a replacement is not visible. And that means the price that seems sky-high today - after tomorrow it may seem "cheaper only for nothing."
          True, there is another option in which the “Power of Siberia” will be unprofitable - the collapse of China and, as a result, a sharp collapse of its economy. But while this option is not visible.
  10. eagle owl 21 January 2020 07: 08 New
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    Yeah. Only the author, in principle, forgot that the United States as a Russian market did not fall. RF practically DOES NOT TRADE with the USA. The United States, by the way, is also not very, because the sanctions broke off. And for China, this is simply the main foreign market. That is - our interests with China - are DIAMETRALLY opposite.
    The ONLY PRINCIPLE of a possible alliance with China against the USA is MILITARY! So that the minke whales in the most literal sense of the country should not be fucked up, and here - absolutely absolutely, what kind of system and military alliance the United States will have, even if one country has communism in its own juice from a political science textbook. and in the other, tribal kaganates! Just because. what if they remove China - the next RF, and vice versa. This union will always be.
    Economics is another matter. By the way, the VOTE statement is interesting about the Siberian Force that has not accumulated)))
    Author. you have specifically mistaken this, what you described is not a union of states, but a union STATE (1 piece). And in a seller-buyer-seller relationship, the buyer may be DEEPly unsympathetic, but the customer is always right. And again - you generally forgot the military alliance
    1. sleeve 21 January 2020 09: 29 New
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      There will never be a direct union. Two different centers of power. But the passive one ... It seems to be placing their mobile ICBMs under the wing of our air defense military-technical communications (in one direction it’s true, but our neighbors and thieves are not particularly creative). And something global, which means it is interdependent except anti-terror, and then not always, probably not. Wallpaper is not easy.
      1. eagle owl 21 January 2020 12: 20 New
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        The mechanism of military cooperation between China and the Russian Federation against the United States is much simpler:
        * The condition for the existence of China is the existence of the Russian Federation and vice versa. In the odinar - crush, and easily. India will immediately turn on in one case, and in the other, for example, the EU and kayuk.
        * In the case of a direct attack - one of the countries (China, or we) - does not look at the fuss for a short while, until it reaches the strategic nuclear forces, waits until it gets deeper bogged down, drives a wave at the UN. Then, with a view to purely peacekeeping, he declares war on the United States (why - see above). That’s all, the war ended immediately - against the two conventionally - the United States does not dance, the strategic nuclear forces - krant to everyone, the war makes no sense. The result - if you attacked the Russian Federation - the Russian Federation in the red, the United States in a duplicate, China in dams. In China - China hit, the United States in a duplicate, the Russian Federation - out of competition. But the United States is in any way in the loop !!! Because they are now simply unable to attack.
        That's the whole mechanism of the union ...
        1. sleeve 21 January 2020 13: 28 New
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          Primitive, but understandable and reasoned. The model is normal. Naturally, in real life there are a lot of nuances ...
          1. eagle owl 21 January 2020 14: 40 New
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            So I’m not writing an article on this subject))) I’m so, in outline. Clear. that everything is much more complicated, this is, so to speak, the principle
  11. Camrad 21 January 2020 07: 38 New
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    I do not agree about the Power of Siberia. It is not so important how much Russia will earn on deliveries on it, how much it will earn on deliveries to Europe at a higher price because of the possibility of maneuver. Plus synergy of development of the East Siberian basin. We are already a plus, in my opinion!
    1. sleeve 21 January 2020 09: 19 New
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      On the contrary, I wonder why in mathematics the price to China is 60-70 percent higher than to Europe.
  12. g1washntwn 21 January 2020 07: 41 New
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    Why did the US begin to call China its geopolitical adversary? After all, trade and mutual benefits are obvious. Yes, because he, as the author pointed out, does not fall into the format of globalists who want to comb everyone under one comb. If you look beyond the horizon of only bilateral relations, you can see that ALL countries on Earth are different. This is a historically and economically incorrigible situation with limited resources. Unions are simply an easier way to allocate resources to your advantage using force (and not necessarily military) methods, which we observe at all times in the history of our civilization. The concept of global alignment, in theory, should simplify the management of this gray homogeneous mass ("exceptional", of course). The Chinese are doing more cunning, they literally wedged themselves into this economic global model, but benefit from it solely in their interests. What will happen next - you need to watch, wedge between the two sumoists when they are running against each other, we will not.
    1. Slon379 21 January 2020 08: 02 New
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      They cannot forgive them the denial of the denationalization of the Central Bank. A good example of what can be achieved with the national Central Bank, which works for the country.
      1. g1washntwn 21 January 2020 09: 34 New
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        With the Chinese Central Bank was expected, because yuan went to the world reserve currency it needs to be protected. In our country, the Central Bank is just a regulator, the so-called proxy between the global financial system and the national economic space. According to proponents of nationalization, this will subordinate these rules of regulation to the Government, and not to world rules (which do not always meet national interests). But here I have little confidence that you can manage these regulatory rules without direct intervention. Somewhere, it even meets our strategy of "not scaring the spies" who are trying to play a dirty trick by trying to influence our economy from the outside through the rules dictated by the Central Bank. wink
        1. Slon379 22 January 2020 17: 22 New
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          Of course, we will not scare them until they ruin us economically. One inflation fight is worth it.
  13. Unknown 21 January 2020 07: 43 New
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    may China never be our friend, not as Khrushchev used to say ,, brother ,,. he has his own story dating back more than one thousand years, in which there was nothing. it is a very cunning and treacherous nation, for which other nations are nothing. and we should not forget the daman peninsula, and what was there, and how the Chinese showed their true face, and this is in better times than now. with such a neighbor you have to keep an eye out.
    1. husband 21 January 2020 11: 05 New
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      I agree. And the denouement will be like with Napoleon and the world wars - during the invasion of China on the territory of Russia, our eternal ally in times of war: the Anglo-Saxo-pindosy will come to the rescue with a second front and Lend-Lease. For they alone are not happy to remain against China that has invaded Russia. Such a wheel of history from time to time. Like the world - so we bite with the Anglo-Saxo-pindos, like the war with the invasion of Russian territory - so brothers in arms.
      1. LeonidL 21 January 2020 19: 30 New
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        Quite obvious - just look at the map! It is a pity that in America, many politicians, primarily democrats, very poorly taught such subjects as world history and geography to school.
  14. maden.usmanow 21 January 2020 07: 46 New
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    China second world economy. And everyone understands this
    1. Pissarro 27 January 2020 14: 11 New
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      Already several years as the first
      1. maden.usmanow 27 January 2020 18: 03 New
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        This is at PPP, at face value, the second.
  15. vladnp 21 January 2020 08: 11 New
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    If China is China for the author, then Russia should be called Holy. For symmetry
  16. Loess 21 January 2020 08: 14 New
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    Obviously, in such conditions, if a real Russian-Chinese union is created, Beijing will dominate.
    that's why
    there is no real integration and strategic partnership between Russia and the Celestial Empire
    We are not so weak as to be in the "second" roles, therefore equal partnership is beneficial for us. And China has not yet become so drawn into the “battle” of the giants that it needed an equal ally. Therefore, at the moment, a mutual policy of benevolent neutrality is being pursued. And it is beneficial to both Russia and China. And this policy does not exclude the fact that our interests may somehow contradict each other. But a real strategic alliance is possible only with a real military threat, which is now absent. Therefore, such an alliance at this stage will not give any benefit either to us or to China.
    For Russia, this pipe is of little use, even unprofitable, and it is obvious that it will not pay off
    But I still have not found any evidence of this fact, except for the conclusions of the "experts" it is not clear on what basis. And we have already seen all kinds of "experts." And the accuracy of their forecasts is worse than that of the hydrometeorological center.
  17. EvilLion 21 January 2020 08: 19 New
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    Since when have Chinese sneaker factories for cap countries become socialist?
  18. oracul 21 January 2020 08: 22 New
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    It is not necessary to dream of alliances, but to build competent partnerships with everyone, taking into account mutual interest. But at the same time, always remember that we have three allies now - the army, navy and VKS. Friendship is not bought, it is built on mutual support, when it is difficult, help when needed.
  19. Boris55 21 January 2020 08: 44 New
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    The article is written in the paradigm of the outgoing world order.
    The New World is built on mutually beneficial relationships.
  20. Krasnodar 21 January 2020 09: 32 New
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    laughing
    China, Russia, regardless of the state structure of the latter, is only interested in as a consumer, a source of natural resources and other opportunities to earn. The Chinese capitalists under the red flag are interested in the territory of the Russian Far East. General opposition to the West - do they need it? laughing
    1. Usher 21 January 2020 11: 26 New
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      Quote: Krasnodar
      laughing
      China, Russia, regardless of the state structure of the latter, is only interested in as a consumer, a source of natural resources and other opportunities to earn. The Chinese capitalists under the red flag are interested in the territory of the Russian Far East. General opposition to the West - do they need it? laughing

      How are they interesting? Say something else in territories laughing
      1. Krasnodar 21 January 2020 11: 42 New
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        Chinese Russians? The possibility of relatively cheap mass production of consumer goods.
        1. Pissarro 27 January 2020 14: 15 New
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          Rather a promising market. Consumer goods are already cheaper in Bangladesh; in China, salaries are higher. But to sell agricultural products, energy and weapons to a wealthy billion is profitable and promising
  21. Aleksandr21 21 January 2020 09: 41 New
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    However, it is obvious that the Celestial Empire will support Russia (including in the new industrialization), which will follow the path of the revival of socialism with "Russian specifics" - USSR-2, the Russian Union. China benefits from an alliance with a strong and independent Russia, as in the days of Stalin.


    Why does China need a strong Russia? If Russia is strong, then trading in resources with the kind of profit that China now receives will not work. Again, China, as the author wrote above, has its own project “One Belt - One Way”, which means that there are China and there are other countries that follow the mainstream of China’s policy and are tied to it economically, i.e. depend on him. If our country is economically strong, it will compete for neighbors (for markets for products) and this is not beneficial for China. He is much more profitable for a weak Russia, which opposes the US + EU and China gets all the buns - "A smart monkey sits on top of a hill and watches two tigers fight in the valley." Ah, the author started so well, but alas, he made the wrong conclusions.
    1. LeonidL 21 January 2020 19: 26 New
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      I did not read your comment, but wrote about the same! The author began "for health", and ended "for peace." the conclusions are absolutely contrary to the logic of the text.
    2. Pissarro 27 January 2020 14: 18 New
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      Weak Russia will eventually fall under the mattress and China will be at risk of isolation from all sides. Close him the trade routes and there is no first world economy. The Chinese need Russia, not surrendered to the West even in the long run
      1. Aleksandr21 27 January 2020 14: 49 New
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        Quote: Pissarro
        Weak Russia will eventually fall under the mattress and China will be at risk of isolation from all sides. Close him the trade routes and there is no first world economy. The Chinese need Russia, not surrendered to the West even in the long run


        Isolating China is quite difficult, even if Russia lay under the West, then China has other trade routes, both through the countries of the Asian region and the sea, and putting up a sea blockade is tantamount to a military conflict, and how to isolate 2 the world's economy? Even if the US and the EU refuse to trade (and this is unrealistic in the current economic system), that is, the BRICS countries, Asian countries, South American countries, Africa in the end, and not to mention the huge domestic demand, so China is too big a player in the economic there isn’t enough field and electrical tape, it’s not Russia which, in economic terms, could not inflict tangible damage to the United States and the EU, when sanctions would simply be afraid to carry on. But a weak Russia, which will lie under China, as it is economically weakened from the confrontation with the West, would be beneficial for China.
  22. honest people 21 January 2020 10: 47 New
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    Quote: Uhu
    Yeah. Only the author, in principle, forgot that the United States as a Russian market did not fall. RF practically DOES NOT TRADE with the USA. The United States, by the way, is also not very, because the sanctions broke off. And for China, this is simply the main foreign market. That is - our interests with China - are DIAMETRALLY opposite.
    The ONLY PRINCIPLE of a possible alliance with China against the USA is MILITARY! So that the minke whales in the most literal sense of the country should not be fucked up, and here - absolutely absolutely, what kind of system and military alliance the United States will have, even if one country has communism in its own juice from a political science textbook. and in the other, tribal kaganates! Just because. what if they remove China - the next RF, and vice versa. This union will always be.
    Economics is another matter. By the way, the VOTE statement is interesting about the Siberian Force that has not accumulated)))
    Author. you have specifically mistaken this, what you described is not a union of states, but a union STATE (1 piece). And in a seller-buyer-seller relationship, the buyer may be DEEPly unsympathetic, but the customer is always right. And again - you generally forgot the military alliance

    Now attention is the question! Why would the United States destroy its investment in the United States? laughing
  23. Nait 21 January 2020 11: 19 New
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    The Russian eastern regions will focus primarily on Beijing, not Moscow. It is worth noting that this process is going on implicitly now, which in the long run will lead to the division of the Russian Federation between the West and the Celestial Empire along the Urals.

    What is it about "now"?
  24. Usher 21 January 2020 11: 25 New
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    Well, at the expense of socialism in China, here you can argue very strongly. There is no smell of socialism to which we are accustomed.
  25. Nait 21 January 2020 11: 36 New
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    Quote: Usher
    There is no smell of socialism to which we are accustomed.

    Suffice it to recall that they began to pay pensions recently and only state. employees.

    It seems that they have their own golden billion (or rather, 100-200 million),
    who are somehow interested in the state.
    There, after all, with training it was not like it was in the union.
    Free 9-year schooling introduced since 2008.
  26. Radikal 21 January 2020 12: 24 New
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    Clearly, I thought about China, and this is about Stalin again.

    Remove the red banner from the avatar .... lol
  27. Robert 21 January 2020 12: 25 New
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    Watch the video and read the comments, and it will become clear what a union is possible ...
  28. 16112014nk 21 January 2020 14: 37 New
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    ... the union of Russia and China is real ...
    GDP and Co. ° - "No! I can’t understand this! I need to consult with my boss ..." ©
  29. Alexey RA 21 January 2020 16: 23 New
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    A true alliance between Russia and China is possible only if the political and economic systems are identical. This is socialism, the dominant role of the Russian People’s Party, state property - the nationalization of land, mineral resources, waters, forests and all strategic enterprises.

    And again, this alliance will end with this:
  30. LeonidL 21 January 2020 19: 22 New
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    "However, it is obvious that the Celestial Empire will support Russia (including in the new industrialization), which will follow the path of the revival of socialism with "Russian specifics" - USSR-2, the Russian Union. China benefits from an alliance with a strong and independent Russia, as in the days of Stalin. Back-to-Back Union " - This is just very unobvious even from the text of the article. China is a country with a long history and mentality of the "middle kingdom", the "Stalinist" type of socialism there is a passed stage and a learned lesson, but there is no real socialism there for a long time - there is state capitalism under the auspices of the CCP and covered with fig leaflets of the Chinese version of the communist ideology. The Russian Federation - as a strong competitor to the PRC and the CCP is not needed, as it is not needed and becomes "back to back". China solves and will solve its problems at the expense of Russia, but it won’t do anything beneficial to Russia, but not beneficial to China. What is back-to-back? But gobble up on occasion - very much able. it all depends on only two factors - the internal situation in China and the internal situation in the Russian Federation.
  31. Dart2027 21 January 2020 19: 50 New
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    A true alliance between Russia and China is possible only if the political and economic systems are identical.

    Has the author ever heard of a border conflict on Damansky Island?
    1. Alexey RA 22 January 2020 17: 59 New
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      Quote: Dart2027
      Has the author ever heard of a border conflict on Damansky Island?

      Or about first socialist war China to Vietnam?
      Or was it already the second, and the first was arranged by the socialist Ethiopia and Somalia? what
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        China's war with Vietnam

        And this, too, we are just talking about China and Russia.
  32. Old Horseradish 21 January 2020 21: 58 New
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    With a friend like Chinazi, enemies are not necessary! From the word at all. The first and main threat to Russia is China. Zombies will now join hands and conquer the song "The USA is the first enemy, Ukraine is the first enemy, Belarusians are also bad, Europe is also not a friend, but the Chinese are yes! Brothers and friends forever"
    A serving portion of ravings about "a great friend - China." Why didn’t you have a "great friend - Germany" in the 41st year? Is everything small?
  33. honest people 22 January 2020 05: 09 New
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    Quote: Old Horseradish
    With a friend like Chinazi, enemies are not necessary! From the word at all. The first and main threat to Russia is China. Zombies will now join hands and conquer the song "The USA is the first enemy, Ukraine is the first enemy, Belarusians are also bad, Europe is also not a friend, but the Chinese are yes! Brothers and friends forever"
    A serving portion of ravings about "a great friend - China." Why didn’t you have a "great friend - Germany" in the 41st year? Is everything small?

    Trailers in the trailer are not able to realize this!
  34. Dmitry V. 22 January 2020 09: 58 New
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    The author is simply not competent in this matter to comment on him professionally.

    How can we seriously talk about any partnership when in 2015 the Russian Federation introduced anti-dumping duties for 5 years (!) - read sanctions (40-50% or more) through a commission of the customs union for a number of Chinese products: for example, tire products, bulldozers, etc. .P.
    They talk a lot about the customs wars of the PRC and the USA, while the cab of the Russian Federation was the first to initiate this war with the PRC - this is by the way about the competence of the administration, the disagreement of political and economic actions with a potential partner.
    In 2020 marks 5 years of "anti-dumping" duties on Chinese goods - China remembers everything
    In the PRC, this step was clearly perceived as unfriendly - companies with state capital of the PRC also fell under the sanctions of a single customs union. Such barrage measures include the alleged “recycling fee”, which has nothing to do with recycling - a protectionist measure that took 1250000-3500000 rubles from each unit of a bulldozer, excavator, loader from the pockets of Russian construction companies (of course, local manufacturers raised prices by size "recycling fees" and receive these amounts for reimbursement).

    Is it at least strange to talk about partnerships and introduce protective duties on a number of products allegedly imported from the country ?.
    We must pay tribute - the Chinese leadership reacted adequately to this frank demarche, and did not introduce retaliatory measures on the same scale against Russian goods, did not file a complaint with the WTO court, although it had grounds for partnership?
    This speaks of a balanced and interconnected political and economic strategy of the PRC leadership, while the leadership of the Russian Federation cannot be said for that.

    Everything will be determined by November 2020 - the anti-dumping duties restricting the trade turnover of China's products will be extended or canceled - then it will become clear: partnership with China is an empty rhetoric of the Russian authorities or a real need.
    China does not forget anything.
    1. Pissarro 27 January 2020 14: 23 New
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      You confuse the partner and the satellite. To open up markets, to damage your economy, thanks to the US vassals for that.
  35. Tzar 22 January 2020 12: 23 New
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    The Chinese, with their “younger brother” complex, resentment for the seizure of Primorye during the Opium Wars and imperial phantom pains in the foreseeable future, cannot be an ally of the Russian Federation in principle. And this absolutely does not depend on the current political system in Russia, and they respect Stalin in the sense that "if only we had a Chinese Stalin who would overcome all disputed territories and restore China within the borders of a great empire!"
  36. Dzungar 22 January 2020 18: 03 New
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    The author has nothing to do ...? It has long been clear to the horse that there will NEVER be any union between Russia and China, and some die-hards will stubbornly vomit on this subject ...... Because in the case of this Union itself, someone will have to join another, and specifically Russia, to China , or at least harness the other side. Neither China needs to - harness for Russia, nor even Russia - be part of China ....... And if someone wants equal relations, then what exists now is these equal relations.
    1. Pissarro 27 January 2020 14: 26 New
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      Interestingly, when the USSR and the United States were allies, did this mean that someone should be part of each other? Or England with France during the period of the Entente? What are you talking about)
      1. Dzungar 28 January 2020 11: 08 New
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        The USSR and the USA were allies during the war with Germany in order to help each other in the fight against a common enemy. At the moment, neither China nor Russia are waging any war with a common enemy, so the conclusion of this Union will not mean helping each other, but integration into one whole, caused by some kind of need, the absorption of someone by someone in fact .... But at the moment, Russia and China have in fact allied relations, except that they have not drawn up the Treaty. Better nowhere ... The conclusion of the Treaty of the Union means even closer relations. And what else can there be such a relationship as the integration of these two countries into one single thing ...? In general, read the "Military-political strategy of China in the 21st century." The article was published in the journal Zarubezhny Military Review. I don’t remember the number and year, the 90s for sure. There it was clearly and clearly stated that "China will not conclude alliance friendship agreements with anyone ....", etc .... That's what I mean
  37. bullet 22 January 2020 18: 16 New
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    Why the union of Russia and China is real only on TV

    Because flea (Russia) and Moska (China) are not allies. Pug with a flea is not an alliance, Pug in case of a flea just eat.
  38. toha124 24 January 2020 14: 29 New
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    Half of the commentators are convinced that the union always has a senior and a junior. And since Russia cannot be a senior ally, then an alliance is impossible for us. This is what the experience of the Cold War says in us (what the ATS, what NATO). And what, before that alliance of equal powers was not in history? Not once, not once?
  39. arhPavel 25 January 2020 09: 39 New
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    Dear author, it is time to change the paradigm of thinking. The theme of “Brothers forever” and kissing the gums ended 30 years ago.
    As we relate to China, so China relate to us only as partners. There are political goals, they coincide, but we are moving towards these goals in different ways and means.
    This is normal. History needs to know, this is true. But decisions to make and evaluate their effectiveness must be based on the current and future situation, and not from the past.
  40. Amper 25 January 2020 20: 17 New
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    Quote: bullet
    Why the union of Russia and China is real only on TV

    Because flea (Russia) and Moska (China) are not allies. Pug with a flea is not an alliance, Pug in case of a flea just eat.

    According to various sources, the East is already in its actual power .... And he does not need a poor euro part and nafik.
  41. Dima_Anlim 26 January 2020 11: 02 New
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    "Russia's GDP is comparable to that of one province of the PRC Guangdong." That says it all.
  42. Ggc1 27 January 2020 02: 55 New
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    The "back" of Russia is of interest to China only from the point of view of planting a knife along the handle in this very "back", which has repeatedly been confirmed in the history of relations between our countries!
  43. Old warrior 30 January 2020 11: 52 New
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    Why the union of Russia and China is real only on TV

    Not figs It was the ideas of Lenin-Stalin to betray.