Gazprom gives Siberians coal miner

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Siberian Maldives


The majority of Krasnoyarsk, Barnaul, and Novosibirsk citizens associate the Siberian Generating Company (SGK) with dangerous coal pollution with their coal-fired power plants and poisonous ash dumps. Novosibirsk “became famous” for the whole world with one of them, which received the name “Siberian Maldives” for the turquoise color.

Gasification of urban thermal power plants could dramatically reduce atmospheric emissions of hazardous substances: nitric oxide by 5-6 times, benzopyrene - by 13-14 times.



But the environmental benefits are poorly compatible with the interests of the owner of the CHP in these cities. Billionaire Melnichenko, through the SUEK company, owns both the SGK company and the coal mining enterprises of Siberia. So far, he has managed to block the projects for converting city thermal power plants to gas and even to buy thermal stations from Gazprom.

But in Novosibirsk and Krasnoyarsk lower heating tariffs in comparison with the large cities of the European part of Russia (where the TPPs are gasified) are constantly emphasized in the SGK. Saying, basking cheaply and environmentally friendly is a pipe dream of consumers.

Is it true? Director of Siberian Energy Network LLC Viktor Golovkin is convinced that in fact this is a lie to save the business of billionaire Melnichenko. He strongly disagrees with the position of SGK.

For many years, engineer Golovkin has been building and operating local gas boiler houses in Novosibirsk. Modern local gas boiler houses are more profitable and safer for citizens than obsolete monsters-TPPs.


Director of Siberian Energy Networks Victor Golovkin shows how automation controls the temperature in apartments depending on the weather. If the water "in return" falls below normal, the station automatically increases the heat supply to the house

Victor Golovkin - Director of Siberian Energy Networks LLC. This organization has been producing thermal and electric energy for over 15 years. Builds and operates gas boiler rooms and heating networks. Siberian Energy Grids LLC has 13 local stations in Leninsky, Kirovsky, Pervomaisky districts of Novosibirsk. The heat tariff for all these boiler houses is 50 rubles lower than that of the Siberian Generating Company (SGK). And the reliability of heat supply is not even comparable in numbers. SGK in Novosibirsk has thousands of emergency and “planned” power outages every winter. Golovkin has zero. Over the past 5 years, there has not been a single (!) Emergency shutdown of the houses that supplies heat to Siberian Energy Networks.

Narrated by Victor Golovkin


- Viktor Vladimirovich, tell me why you have a lower tariff than SGK, and there are no accidents on heating systems?

- Let's take for example our two boiler houses of different capacities. The one on Zabaluev Street in the Leninsky District has a design capacity of 100 megawatts. While it is loaded only 20 percent. This means that this capacity is enough to heat more than half a million square meters of housing. That is, it will be more than enough for the further development of the "Rainbow of Siberia" and "Pure Sloboda" microdistricts. SGK complain that their heating pipelines quickly rust due to groundwater, but the real reasons must be sought in their poor waterproofing. Our pipes are located entirely in groundwater, which in this part of the Leninsky district approaches almost to the surface of the earth. But this does not cause metal corrosion. Due to the quality pre-insulation that we do in the factory, the guaranteed life of these pipes is a quarter of a century. And the heat loss is not 20-25 percent, as in SGK, but an order of magnitude less.


Heat losses in pipes insulated by modern technologies are 10-15 times less than in heating pipelines of SGK. They do not heat the street, unlike most highways coming from the CHP

Station staff - 3 people (with security guard). And even then people are needed for insurance, to control the operation of automatic systems. Even without generating electricity, our heat tariff is lower than that of SGK by 50 rubles (1330 rubles per gigacalor).

The gas boiler house on 10/1 Odoyevskogo Street consumes fuel energy even more efficiently, since here, in addition to heat, electricity is generated. Station capacity: 10 MW - electric energy, 60 MW - thermal. It provides heat, hot water and electricity to the Birch Forest housing estate. At the moment, the station is half loaded, so there is a reserve for connecting the neighboring KSM housing estate. Now we are heating more than 400 thousand square meters of housing, industrial sites and social facilities. At one time, this environmentally friendly station replaced 6 boiler houses that operated on solid fuel. Residents immediately noticed a change: before the snow was black.

- What are the main advantages of local energy over large thermal power plants?

- First of all, it is the flexibility to regulate the amount of energy produced in accordance with the weather and the needs of the population. We do not have “overturns”. Plus minimal heat transfer loss. Big energy is an inertial and slow system. SGK stations only after a day can change the temperature regime for housing estates. And in local heating networks, we very quickly establish the required mode. It is also important that there is no technical need to keep the temperature elevated in the system, which leads to unnecessary costs and accelerates pipe wear from corrosion.



In the boiler room on Zabaluev Street in Novosibirsk, economical modern equipment is installed that works in automatic mode. His work is supervised by one engineer on duty

SGP CHPP has a lot of outdated technological equipment with a service life of more than 40 years. It has long been outdated, its effectiveness is low. And the consumer pays for these "rarities" and "antiques". At our local boiler houses, equipment pays off in 7 years, and is updated every 10 years. That is, the most modern technologies are introduced very quickly.

- How much more environmentally friendly are local gas boiler houses in comparison with a thermal power plant?

- Emissions of ash and other harmful substances of even the most modern Russian coal stations are 50-100 (!) Times higher than that of modern Chinese and European, by the way, coal as well. Efficiency (i.e. fuel efficiency) also negatively affects the cost of electricity and heat for the end user.

After burning gas, water, steam, carbon dioxide and a little CO come out of our pipes.

Russia has remained the only country in the world where it is allowed to create ash dumps. In the rest of the world, ash has long been completely processed into building and other necessary materials. And Novosibirsk became famous all over the world for the poisonous ash dump lake - the Siberian Maldives!

- Tell us more about why your boiler rooms are more environmentally friendly than CHPs? What technologies made this possible?

- There are several main advantages of a modern gas boiler. We made the smoke coming out of the boiler work. It is economically viable and reduces emissions of harmful substances into the atmosphere. This work is performed at the station by a flue gas heat recovery unit. It works like this: smoke at the outlet of the boiler with a temperature of 200 degrees Celsius passes through a special device. There he gives up his heat to produce hot water for consumers and is cooled to 40-50 degrees Celsius.

Gazprom gives Siberians coal miner

From the pipes of a powerful gas-fired power plant on 10/1 Novosibirsk Odoyevskogo Street, a light haze blows that contains several times less harmful substances than emissions from a coal-fired power plant of the same power

Due to the fact that the temperature of the flue gases in the utilizer decreases, the so-called dew point is inside the chimney and all harmful impurities that were previously emitted into the atmosphere condense, turn into liquid and collect in a special container. As a result, water vapor and carbon dioxide come out of the pipe instead of smoke.

We consume fuel much more efficiently, therefore it is required less than at CHP plants, and accordingly less harmful substances are formed during combustion. Loss of energy all the way to the consumer - 1,5 percent. On our heating mains the snow lies and does not melt, and wherever there are heating mains of the SGK, there is no snow all winter and doves are warming.

- It turns out that save the SGK in the competition can only be a big lie?

- Let the Novosibirsk people draw their own conclusions. But the fact that the energy monopolist resorts to juggling the facts to squeeze competitors out of the market is for sure. In 2018, the Novosibirsk heat supply development scheme was written under the dictation of SGK.

It states:

“The decommissioning of boiler houses, provided for by the Novosibirsk heat supply scheme, will primarily improve the environmental situation inside the micro-districts near which boiler houses are located, which are sources of harmful emissions. Residential buildings, public and industrial buildings will receive heat from thermal power plants equipped with modern environmental protection equipment. Cogeneration plants are a much more efficient source of heat supply. The heat of boiler houses is more expensive than the heat of a thermal power station. ”

There is a frank distortion of the facts!

Fortunately, in 2019, the city authorities of Novosibirsk ordered the development of a heat supply scheme for independent experts. And their recommendations were completely different: the city should maintain modern local gas boiler houses to improve the safety of heat supply to Novosibirsk citizens.

The degradation of pipelines operated by SGK will increase every year, and when the point of no return comes, it is not known. But there is every reason to predict the impending technological catastrophe of heating systems operated by SGK.

The lack of a strategy in the development of Novosibirsk energy and political will has led to its current precarious situation. It is time to really assess the situation and draw the right conclusions.

For reference. Novosibirsk was included in the list of the most polluted cities in terms of nitrogen dioxide. Greenpeace has released a rating of Russian cities on air pollution with this element. According to these data, Novosibirsk took the fourth place. The situation is worse only in Moscow, St. Petersburg and Chelyabinsk.
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  1. +8
    21 January 2020 05: 30
    What can I say, except for the mat? The Kremlin really has no life beyond the Moscow Ring Road! Everything is left to chance, whoever unfastened more is the king of the mountain, and the environment and the population are just empty words. ..
    1. +8
      21 January 2020 05: 39
      Everything is given to "reliable grabki" very own (rich class) guys!
      We have local boiler houses in large houses, only in new ones! People rejoice in both quality and price of services.
      Without a decision at the state level, nothing can be done with such mafia monopolies ..... besides, the initial costs are not small!
      1. +7
        21 January 2020 08: 58
        Quote: rocket757
        We have local boiler houses in large houses, only in new ones! People rejoice in both quality and price of services.

        Yes Vit, we are banally sucking in a mulch saying that heat from large thermal power plants is cheaper, because wholesale. In fact, a gas boiler in an apartment is several times cheaper than central heating. And safety level, modern boilers are ABSOLUTELY safe. We have built a small neighborhood with individual heating, people squeak with happiness. The communal apartment is two times lower. Gas, cold water and drains.
        By the way, local boiler houses also become not a bad feeder for small UK. request
        1. -3
          21 January 2020 09: 38
          Sorry, does the local boiler house generate electricity too? How will we utilize thermal energy from thermal power plants?
          1. +2
            21 January 2020 10: 07
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            Sorry, does the local boiler house generate electricity too?

            At the hydroelectric station near by, but the Avtozavodsky district of the city of Togliatti is powered by a thermal power plant. request
            1. +5
              21 January 2020 13: 50
              When a project is considered, then there is such a concept "center of electrical loads". And then they look from what networkers connect you. That there would be less losses. In general, all networks are looped back. So you are powered by electricity from both hydroelectric and thermal power plants.
              1. +1
                21 January 2020 14: 04
                Quote: _Sergey_
                So you are powered by electricity from both hydroelectric power stations and thermal power plants.

                No, our district is from CHP only. A friend works there, and not ordinary.
                1. +4
                  21 January 2020 14: 38
                  The power system is looped. In the event of an accident, it is powered simply from the power system, where there are several sources.
                  1. +1
                    22 January 2020 04: 54
                    The power system is looped. In the event of an accident, it is powered simply from the power system, where there are several sources.

                    You all say absolutely correctly.
                    But you took the discussion aside.
                    It's about ecology. And that coal must be replaced by gas.
                    1. +1
                      22 January 2020 06: 58
                      In 1982 he worked at the local Vodokanal. At that time, we were building new treatment facilities. By the end of construction, the capacity was three times less than the city required. There was a straight pipe in addition to the sewage treatment plant, which directly dumped wastewater into the river. And today, these treatment plants successfully process all wastewater. Because all industrial enterprises "died" successfully in the 90s. I support Trump that you need to choose either economic development or ecology. If you have the ability to connect to gas, then that's good. And so far everything is on coal.
          2. +1
            21 January 2020 10: 55
            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            Sorry, does the local boiler house generate electricity too? How will we utilize thermal energy from thermal power plants?

            But this is an interesting question !!!
            Our factory has built its own workshop for the production of energy resources, heat, electricity, gas. Expensive pleasure, but economically justified .....
            And so, the problem obviously has a place to be!
            Let's see how they will solve it.
            1. +1
              21 January 2020 11: 35
              Local autonomous boiler houses have one drawback: in case of an accident, the area that this boiler house serves will remain without heat. Large CHP plants operate on the network - as they say they are looped back and, in the event of a failure of a power unit, others will take over the work of them - the water temperature in the highways will decrease slightly, but no more. Dissipating thermal energy on cooling towers, heating the street is also not an option. Yes, and coal can be burned without much damage to the environment, modern technology allows it. Oxides of nitrogen from burning gas, also a tasteless thing.
              1. +1
                21 January 2020 16: 18
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                Oxides of nitrogen from burning gas, also a tasteless thing.

                What is still more dangerous, more harmful?
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                Local autonomous boiler houses have one drawback: in case of an accident, there will be no heat left in the section that this boiler house serves

                We put one boiler room on an apartment building, an electric boiler is also installed there, in case of a gas outage.
                The question is - what kind of accidents can happen in a house, worse than a rush of a large highway ???
        2. +1
          21 January 2020 10: 58
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          By the way, local boiler houses also become not a bad feeder for small UK

          Order in the "troops" must be restored! And here the tenant themselves should not sit passively. Nothing will be done by itself.
        3. -2
          21 January 2020 11: 52
          Against hitroznyh Criminal Code there is a board of HOA with a screw. Got experience with management companies there, I can share.
          1. +2
            21 January 2020 11: 59
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            there is a board of HOAs

            Have you tried to pick the thieving chairman from the spot? I am.
            1. -1
              21 January 2020 12: 05
              And we picked it up. Despite the inertia and indifference of most residents. They put in the chairmen an aunt - a lawyer, a young pensioner. Babu with eggs. According to the results of its work, the rent has decreased by almost a third. The most difficult thing is not to knock over and not to butt, the most difficult thing is to stir people up.
              1. +3
                21 January 2020 12: 12
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                the most difficult thing is to stir up the people.

                Yes. I ran, I looked for the truth. I just spoiled my nerves. The people do not believe in changes for the better, they say "Yes, he steals, so others will steal the same" request
        4. +2
          22 January 2020 05: 03
          The communal apartment is two times lower. Gas, cold water and drains.

          I confirm. He lived in such a house.
          But gas is better anyway. At least individual heating, at least centralized. The main problem of coal is ash. Not only is there a lot of it, but it is also toxic.
      2. +3
        21 January 2020 10: 52
        Quote: rocket757
        Everything is given to "reliable grabki" very own (rich class) guys!
        We have local boiler houses in large houses, only in new ones! People rejoice in both quality and price of services.
        Without a decision at the state level, nothing can be done with such mafia monopolies ..... besides, the initial costs are not small!

        Gentlemen - comrades, let's be fair, what does Moscow have to do with it? What does the "decision at the state level" have to do with it? Directly in Novosibirsk, the solution to this issue depends on the mayor's office and specifically on the mayor. It is the mayor, receiving a kickback from Melnichenko, who blocks the transfer of the CHP to gas and the development of mini-boiler houses. Everything that is written in the article about the residents receiving heat from the CHP is true. I was convinced on my own experience. I have a mini boiler room on gas in my yard, for 12 years of work, not a single accident (pah-pah) in the apartment is warm. And when heat was received from the plant's CHP (it was first fueled by coal, then it was transferred to fuel oil), the temperature above + 14 * C did not rise at an external -10 * C and constant pipeline ruptures. It is necessary to press the mayor for the Faberge.
        1. +1
          21 January 2020 11: 28
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          I was convinced from my own experience. I have a mini gas boiler in the yard, for 12 years of operation not a single accident (pah-pah) in the apartment is warm.

          A similar case with me, the mini-boiler room for 8 three-story houses also works for 12 years without accidents and problems. In the office building where I work there are two small German gas boilers, maintenance every three months. I myself set up automatic heating of water, heating the house, cleaned the filter and everything is OK, 20 percent cheaper than from the city boiler room (which is 100 meters from our building). And most importantly cleaner than coal.
        2. 0
          21 January 2020 16: 22
          If Moscow is meant, then only as a concentration of power, legislative bodies.
          There are regulatory documents that need to be amended in the housing sector! So, Schaub local "owners" could not kick off citizens with their wishes and demands.
      3. 0
        21 January 2020 11: 15
        Quote: rocket757
        Everything is given to "reliable grabki" very own (rich class) guys!

        Ooh! how comrade Lenin did not like capitalism!
        1. +3
          21 January 2020 16: 24
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Quote: rocket757
          Everything is given to "reliable grabki" very own (rich class) guys!

          Ooh! how comrade Lenin did not like capitalism!

          And it doesn’t matter anymore. Lenin and his comrades created a new state, on other principles. By the way, they succeeded ... only we managed to lose everything.
    2. +4
      21 January 2020 06: 23
      Quote: Thrifty
      Everything is left to chance, whoever unfastened more is the king of the mountain, and the environment and the population are just empty words. ..

      stop It was at the old premiere. And now something !!! fellow
      You with the bass, Misha, sit down against the viola,
      I, prima, will sit against the second;
      Then the music will not be the same:
      We will dance the forest and mountains! "
      1. +3
        21 January 2020 07: 36
        Everything is very simple - the generation of heat and electricity is cheaper from coal, where it is available, and not from gas. Switching to gas is also unprofitable for the consumer. request Although ecology and health, of course, are a pity. recourse
        1. +1
          21 January 2020 09: 21
          Quote: bessmertniy
          heat and electricity are cheaper from coal, where available

          There should also be added the jobs employed in the coal sector. But in principle, it is necessary to force coal miners to switch to modern technologies. There are such, such as "clean coal" in the United States, in China. In general, China has made quite good progress in this direction. Apparently due to the disastrous situation in ecology. At modern stations, they achieved the cost of 380 grams of coal per 1 kW * h, while in our country 800 grams is considered the norm. There are many more coal reserves in Russia than gas. Therefore, it is not necessary to deal with the elimination of coal generation, but its improvement. The time will come when hope will remain on one coal laughing
          1. 0
            21 January 2020 11: 31
            Quote: Den717
            There are many more coal reserves in Russia than gas.

            This is a national reserve for grandchildren and great-grandchildren. And remember the words of the greatest Mendeleev, what he said about coal.
            1. +2
              21 January 2020 11: 41
              Quote: tihonmarine
              This is a national reserve for grandchildren and great-grandchildren.

              So that our grandchildren and great-grandchildren could use the reserve left, it is necessary today, and preferably yesterday, to engage in the development of technologies for using this reserve, and not to burn it in the furnaces of the century before last.
              1. -1
                21 January 2020 12: 14
                Quote: Den717
                So that our grandchildren and great-grandchildren could use the reserve left, it is necessary today, and preferably yesterday, to engage in the development of technologies for using this reserve, and not to burn it in the furnaces of the century before last.

                I’ll say it once, remember Mendeleev. But those in power, this is not understood. Rather, profit is above all.
                1. +1
                  21 January 2020 12: 21
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  Rather, profit is above all.

                  We all live on the profit of the state. The state is a self-supporting organization, and, ideally, it can only spend what has worked. So the desire to manage profitably must be respected. Although you may see the role of coal only in the stove, it also needs to be improved. The development of these technologies takes years. Therefore, everything must be done in a timely manner. And I completely agree with Mendeleev - it is time to reduce sales of the resources of the first redistribution.
                  1. -1
                    21 January 2020 12: 39
                    Quote: Den717
                    Although you may see the role of coal only in the stove, it also needs to be improved.

                    Yes, I don’t see anything except the capitalist, who grabbed the boiler room and robbed the people.
                    1. +1
                      21 January 2020 12: 49
                      Quote: tihonmarine
                      who grabbed the boiler room and robbed the people.

                      What do you mean "robbing"? He gives warmth and energy efficiency with the money that helps out with this? We will not decide on privatization issues today, should we raise them? You will not prove that the privatization was illegal. In general, privatization itself may raise questions, and not only to the government.
                      1. 0
                        21 January 2020 12: 52
                        Quote: Den717
                        What do you mean "robbing"? He gives warmth and energy efficiency with the money that helps out with this?

                        Sorry fool, to blame, the capitalist does not rob.
                      2. +2
                        21 January 2020 13: 10
                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        Sorry fool, to blame, the capitalist does not rob.

                        And the cooperator did not fleece? But does a farmer selling products made among other things by wage-earners also robbing? You use some naphthalene terms. Today, everything that we buy is somehow made in the conditions of the capitalist system of production. And yes, around we pay the part that the capitalist, shareholder, founder, bourgeois has as profit. So what?
                      3. +1
                        21 January 2020 13: 48
                        Quote: Den717
                        Today, everything that we buy is somehow made in the conditions of the capitalist system of production. And yes, around we pay the part that the capitalist, shareholder, founder, bourgeois has as profit. So what?

                        I apologized for what you want from me?
                      4. +1
                        21 January 2020 14: 07
                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        what do you want from me ?

                        I explained my position. Actually, I don’t need anything from you ...
                      5. -2
                        21 January 2020 14: 13
                        Quote: Den717
                        I explained my position. Actually, I don’t need anything from you ...

                        Thank you, I have outlined my own, you are yours.
            2. +1
              22 January 2020 14: 27
              Is gas not a national reserve? Let’s not use mineral resources at all then, save for grandchildren and great-grandchildren.
              What quote are you talking about? Mendeleev came to Donbass more than once, actively promoted coal mining: “The main idea of ​​both the report to the minister and the essay is that coal is our everything. Simply put, Dmitry Ivanovich argued, addressing both the authorities and society, that the process development of Russia's coal resources, although it is already in full swing, should acquire the scale of a nationwide battle for industry. "
    3. +8
      21 January 2020 07: 59
      The author would put a fat minus, this is the second Tunberg. SGK came recently and is primarily engaged in the reconstruction of networks and equipment. They are generally a generating company. And they are engaged in heat supply along the way. Take the same Barnaul, it is full of gas boiler houses. I was there on January 7 and was in new buildings. Almost every house has its own gas boiler house or several houses. My daughter has a gas boiler room in the courtyard, which heats the kindergarten, school and their house. And what did the companies do in the same Novosibirsk before SGK. They only raised money and did not repair any heating systems. I believe that the article is simply custom-made.
      1. +1
        21 January 2020 10: 56
        Quote: _Sergey_
        ... I believe that the article is simply custom-made.


        Under capitalism, everyone earns as much as they can .... laughing
      2. 0
        21 January 2020 11: 34
        Quote: _Sergey_
        Almost every house has its own gas boiler house or several houses.

        We have the same system, already all the houses that have been under construction for the last 15 years are being built with their own gas boiler, and many old ones are being transferred.
      3. +1
        21 January 2020 12: 56
        Quote: _Sergey_
        I believe that the article is simply custom-made.

        As V. I. Lenin used to say, "it is most applicable."
  2. +8
    21 January 2020 06: 01
    The article describes the road to the de-industrialization of the country.
    No one argues about the need to replace small district and peak boiler houses with new ones, including gas ones. But if we abandon large-scale power engineering, we will be forced to abandon large-scale industry as well, since large enterprises are the main consumers of both electricity and steam. A lot of energy - a lot of waste heat. And where, one wonders, to dump it? This is what the city is for. Look - where there are large thermal power plants, nuclear power plants, and where there is no large consumer of heat, the power engineers are forced to dump excess heat into the so-called "cooling ponds", which do not freeze even in the most severe frosts, occupy thousands of hectares of land and even affect climate at the regional level.
    Worn networks - what, is the same coal to blame?
    Using ash dumps? So they are used. Here the author does not discover America. Not enough? Well, we have such a construction.
    Gas instead of coal is good and convenient for everyone - neither you "ash dumps", nor a coal warehouse, beauty! But how reliable is such a system? And if there is an accident on the gas pipeline? If the supplier company turns off the valve due to non-payment? Yes, at 40 degrees below zero! What to do? That's right - reserve capacities are usually fuel oil. And this, in turn, implies unused expensive equipment, the same fuel oil depots, access roads, personnel, finally. Is it worth it? Let's see further ...
    About the price of gas. Today they tell us - gas is cheap, there is a lot of it, take it either way. I will draw you one historical parallel - the introduction of NGV fuel. At the dawn of this scam, gas was cheap, and even despite all the costs (the price of equipment and its installation, the lack of gas stations, problems with cold start, etc.), an obvious economic effect was visible. How did it all end? The price of gas was raised to the cost of gasoline and the consumer was the loser, since the costs had not gone anywhere and everything else was added to the tax on vehicles with a large engine capacity, i.e. on those vehicles that were the main consumers of gas. Exactly the same will happen with gas for TPPs, you can be sure. Only by creating a new infrastructure and destroying the old one, it will be impossible to spit on everything and return to coal.
    1. +3
      21 January 2020 06: 18
      Quote: pmkemcity
      Look - where there are large thermal power plants, nuclear power plants, and where there is no large consumer of heat, power engineers are forced to dump excess heat into the so-called "cooling ponds"

      Any thermal power plants are forced to dump heat, this is an inevitable process of the principle of Carnot when generating electric energy.
      Gas power plants also dump it.
      It is inevitable.
      Quote: pmkemcity
      And if the accident on the gas pipeline?

      There is a closed power supply system and when power generation drops, other stations pick up
      Quote: pmkemcity
      Correctly - reserve capacities, as a rule fuel oil

      With horseradish?
      Quote: pmkemcity
      About the price of gas. Today they tell us - gas is cheap, there is a lot of it, take it no matter

      it’s not cheap, coal is cheaper per unit of BTU,
      Quote: pmkemcity
      Only by creating a new infrastructure and destroying the old one, it will be impossible to spit on everything and return to coal.

      And what coal stations already close 7 And that you did not hear that the power plant can work both on coal, and on gas?
      1. +8
        21 January 2020 06: 34
        Any thermal power plants are forced to dump heat, this is an inevitable process of the principle of Carnot when generating electric energy.
        Gas power plants also dump it.

        Yes, you can’t argue with physics! But the author drowns for district boiler houses, these are not power plants. All the same, different energy.
        There is a closed power supply system and when power generation drops, other stations pick up

        Does a "closed heat supply system" exist? Read the entire article.
        it is not cheap, coal is cheaper per unit of BTU

        Coal has high costs - transportation, storage, the same ash removal. Your calculations do not stand up to criticism.
        And what coal stations already close 7 And that you did not hear that the power plant can work both on coal, and on gas?

        Look at the opus above - reserve (ie "ballast") power and everything that follows from there. But, I repeat, this has nothing to do with district boiler houses.
        1. -3
          21 January 2020 06: 48
          Quote: pmkemcity
          But the author drowns for district boiler houses, these are not power plants. All the same, different energy.

          boiler rooms are not energy.
          Quote: pmkemcity
          Does a "closed heat supply system" exist? Read the entire article.

          And where is the heat supply sideways?
          Quote: pmkemcity
          Coal has high costs - transportation, storage, the same ash removal. Your calculations do not stand up to criticism.

          To generate electricity?
          It seems that gas does not require production and delivery.
          there is one answer to all these questions - the cost of producing a kilowatt of electric energy - so far it is lower on coal than on gas (you hope you understand that the price includes the whole cycle, including the transportation of ash to dumps)
          But. Of course, when we are talking about boiler houses - in my understanding there is no alternative to gas and there is no question of cost - we are talking primarily about environmental friendliness because boiler houses are located inside residential areas.
          Quote: pmkemcity
          Look at the opus above - reserve (ie "ballast") power and everything that flows from there

          Thermal power plants a priori cannot be reserve capacities of mk from the beginning of ignition of the boiler to the generation of electric energy takes about 15-18 hours (steam needs to be stupidly accumulated). reserve capacities are hydroelectric power stations. State district power station. or gas turbine power plants (do not confuse with thermal power plants for gas)
          1. +5
            21 January 2020 07: 20
            I'm on Thomas, and he is about Yerema!
            boiler rooms are not energy.

            Do not tell the venerable public.
            Everything else is from the category "boiler houses are not energy". No comment. Again, read carefully the entire article and my comments.
        2. +2
          21 January 2020 08: 09
          no more costs. all supply chains are built up and worked out for years. To deliver gas, it is necessary to build gas pipelines and make closed circuits. but these are trifles. just stretch the pipe and start the gas it doesn’t work like that. it’s a replacement of equipment and, more importantly, it’s a security system because all TPPs are located within the city limits and if at least something goes wrong all the residents of those areas will be raking. I’m a little familiar with this problem in Khabarovsk and the last boiler was switched to gas a couple of years ago 7 months. and all this show has been going on since 2006 and no end is visible .. each boiler is undergoing reconstruction separately. each time it’s hundreds of millions of rubles. Now the boiler unit No. 14, like most reconstructed ones, can operate from coal, gas, and fuel oil. Solid fuel had to be abandoned during the modernization of boiler No. 9 - it is now the only one on which the supply of solid fuel is not provided.

          “The boiler has a new modification, and pulverized coal burners were located where it was necessary to install gas burners. Therefore, in order not to completely redo the boiler, we decided to remove the pulverized coal equipment on the left and right and put gas burners in these places. But this boiler has equipment for fuel oil - just like everyone else, ”added Sergey Pegushin, director of the Khabarovskaya CHPP-1 joint venture. according to one person, almost two yards of money had already been paid for 8 boilers. but there is an investment project who is investing. how much money will go to Novosib, I still hardly imagine, taking into account the killed structure and the complete absence of at least some work from the city authorities, which I heard many times about.
          1. -1
            21 January 2020 08: 16
            That's right, comrade!
    2. -3
      21 January 2020 06: 21
      Quote: pmkemcity
      Only by creating a new infrastructure and destroying the old one, it will be impossible to spit on everything and return to coal.

      fellow
      And if you destroy the old infrastructure and return to power supply? If all these pipes are boiled, all of these heating breakouts in apartments should be replaced by electric heating, which is not susceptible to failure due to freezing and allows you to keep a comfortable temperature at any time of the year ...
      1. +4
        21 January 2020 06: 38
        Great idea! But is the consumer willing to pay for it? Is the infrastructure (power lines, substations, house networks) ready for such a revolution? And most importantly - where to put the heat of the TPP, because it is a by-product of the same electric power industry?
        1. +1
          21 January 2020 08: 52
          Quote: pmkemcity
          And most importantly - where to put the heat of the TPP, because it is a by-product of the same electric power industry?

          Guess from three times, where you can put the heat in a country where in most of it snow lies for six months? Could it be greenhouse farming? Israel could without water, why Russia can not without heat?
          As for the new electrical installations, as practice has shown, there is no need to invent anything supernatural in this regard. Moreover, all this pays off with lower costs for the device and ensuring uninterrupted heating ...
          And who told you that the cost of electricity consumption should increase significantly at a cost of kW / h ≈ 0,8-0,9 rubles? Look and read how much electricity is required to heat buildings when using new materials in construction ...
          The main question now is different, where to get retirees who are not able to live paying for today's utility bills ...
          1. 0
            21 January 2020 09: 00
            And who told you that the cost of electricity consumption should increase significantly at a cost of kW / h ≈ 0,8-0,9 rubles?

            Cost is not a price for a consumer.
            when using new materials in construction ...

            "New materials" are ersatz products. We will remember about the "brick" when it will be necessary to demolish "putinka" in 25 years.
            Could it be greenhouse farming?

            And how much will your tomatoes cost? There is no greenhouse farming in Israel, there is hydroponics, and there is enough heat from manure. "Greenhouses" in southern countries are not for drying, but to reduce evaporation and save water.
            1. 0
              21 January 2020 14: 33
              Quote: pmkemcity
              And how much will your tomatoes cost?

              Our tomato from Novosibirsk and Altai is on the market 280 rubles per kilogram. Israeli tangerine - 320 rubles per kg. You somehow do not forget to switch the "MF" toggle switch to the desired position. If it doesn’t reach you the first time, I’ll repeat it!
              Hydroponics in Israel is no cheaper than greenhouse cultivation in Siberia. In addition, there are many ways to do this at a low cost. What is successfully used (whether) in our Sukhovsky ...
              Request - do not continue the topic, I am not interested in your advice or your arguments.
      2. 0
        21 January 2020 14: 08
        Quote: ROSS 42
        And if you destroy the old infrastructure and return to power supply? If all these pipes are boiled, all of these heating breakouts in apartments should be replaced by electric heating, which is not susceptible to failure due to freezing and allows you to keep a comfortable temperature at any time of the year ...

        Here is the electric power industry and kirdyk. If everyone will be heated by electricity, the first is expensive, and the second network will not provide the required power.
    3. +2
      21 January 2020 07: 07
      Quote: pmkemcity
      The price of gas was raised to the cost of gasoline and the consumer was the loser, since the costs had not gone anywhere and everything else was added to the tax on vehicles with a large engine capacity, i.e. on those vehicles that were the main consumers of gas.

      so it's all through the efforts of the "guarantor" and his sixes ... in 2000, the gas was 2-20, and gasoline was 10 rubles.
      1. 0
        21 January 2020 07: 22
        so it's all through the efforts of the "guarantor" and his sixes ... in 2000, the gas was 2-20, and gasoline was 10 rubles.

        Have they not explained to you on TV about world trends in the energy sector?
        1. +3
          21 January 2020 07: 32
          Quote: pmkemcity
          Have they not explained to you on TV about world trends in the energy sector?

          I don’t have a TV set ... it will soon be equated with extremism, a campaign.
          1. 0
            21 January 2020 08: 13
            No, these are your personal difficulties. Like the lack of a radio reproducer. Free country however!
        2. +2
          21 January 2020 09: 06
          Quote: pmkemcity
          Have they not explained to you on TV about world trends in the energy sector?

          Throughout the world, LGBT people have become the norm, will they be the same? wink
          1. -1
            21 January 2020 09: 24
            Throughout the world, LGBT people have become the norm, will they be the same?

            Only when it will be shown on TV.
    4. +2
      21 January 2020 09: 03
      Quote: pmkemcity
      And if the accident on the gas pipeline?

      There is always a reserve fuel, the reserve for several days of which is at any gas thermal power station. hi
      1. -1
        21 January 2020 09: 28
        There is always a reserve fuel, the reserve for several days of which is at any gas thermal power station.

        At the CHP there. There is no gas boiler room. Moreover, they, these boiler houses, are becoming more and more - not just one house is heated, but entire neighborhoods, with kindergartens, etc. For Krasnodar, this is acceptable, there the networks can stay idle for a week. For the rest of the country, no.
        1. 0
          21 January 2020 14: 12
          Quote: pmkemcity
          At the CHP there. There is no gas boiler room.

          Yes Easy. A combined gas / diesel burner is placed on one of the boilers. And next to the tank is with diesel fuel. But in large boiler houses, as a rule, a reserve fuel oil facility in poor condition
    5. -1
      21 January 2020 09: 19
      In Soviet times, EVERYONE (large-100%) had its own thermal power station, which also heated nearby houses where the workers of the enterprise lived. So called factory districts
      And it is VERY expensive to heat the ground with a multi-kilometer highway. And the probability of "breakage" of the pipe is directly proportional to the length of the given heating main.
      1. 0
        21 January 2020 11: 50
        And the probability of "breakage" of the pipe is directly proportional to the length of the given heating main.

        A pipe is ... a pipe! If everything is done wisely, then there’s nothing to break.
    6. 0
      21 January 2020 11: 42
      Quote: pmkemcity
      Worn networks - what, is the same coal to blame?

      I am not special on networks and I can’t say how much they cost a simple consumer (not an enterprise), but I think it’s very expensive. All these housing and communal services, SGK and still a lot of parasites juice from the common man. In our house, we got rid of these parasites at least. True, there are meters for electricity, water and heating in each apartment, but this time I set it for a long time.
      1. 0
        21 January 2020 11: 47
        In our house, at least we got rid of these parasites

        Where is this "home"?
        1. -1
          21 January 2020 12: 15
          Quote: pmkemcity
          Where is this "home"?

          I have Hansu Street.
          1. -1
            21 January 2020 13: 46
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Quote: pmkemcity
            Where is this "home"?

            I have Hansu Street.

            I'm on hansu street
            I ate stale samsa.
            And in the gateway of Tallinn
            He remembered about Stalin.
            It’s a pity that there isn’t
            Not a single newspaper!

            I was drawn to the lyrics. The end of the working day.
            1. -1
              21 January 2020 13: 56
              Quote: pmkemcity
              I ate stale samsa.

              Better "I ate not fresh hamsa". I still have 12.56 and work until 21.00, so I'm having fun. Relax well until morning.
              1. -1
                22 January 2020 08: 54
                There is no radical difference - hamsu or samsa, the main thing is that it is stale!
    7. 0
      25 January 2020 12: 42
      Quote: pmkemcity
      Exactly the same will happen with gas for TPPs, you can have no doubt

      I will add that Gazprom is already saying that it will compensate for losses in the domestic market
  3. +4
    21 January 2020 06: 15
    Greetings from Kemerovo:
    1. +3
      21 January 2020 06: 48
      Greetings from Kemerovo:

      And you don't have to cough! "Koksokhim" and "Azot", these are the remnants of the Soviet past that make it difficult to breathe deeply. Without them, you can safely switch to environmentally friendly potbelly stoves.

      1. +3
        21 January 2020 09: 10
        Quote: pmkemcity
        Do not be them, you can safely switch to environmentally friendly potbelly stoves.

        Do not exaggerate, double-circuit gas boilers with a closed combustion chamber are absolutely safe and environmentally friendly. And no network costs and heat loss. Efficiency 96%.
        1. 0
          21 January 2020 09: 38
          Do not exaggerate, double-circuit gas boilers with a closed combustion chamber are absolutely safe and environmentally friendly. And no network costs and heat loss. Efficiency 96%.

          You have diluted the dialogue of two Kemerovo aborigines. The smog in the picture above implies just the fact that the Kemerovskaya GRES and Novokemerovskaya CHPP run on gas. This is an allegory. Below is another allegory, which shows the result of the struggle for the environment by eliminating the sources of pollution - Azot and Koksokhim, which in turn are the main consumers of electricity. hi
        2. +1
          21 January 2020 11: 52
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          double-circuit gas boilers with a closed combustion chamber are absolutely safe and environmentally friendly. And no network costs and heat loss. Efficiency 96%.

          The best option.
    2. 0
      21 January 2020 09: 18
      When I arrived in Novokuznetsk in 1982 on a business trip, I saw the whole city in burning and a yellow circle from the sun in the sky, and three days before that, a normally dressed woman was on a bus in Kemerovo. And suddenly it smelled of urine. I looked at her so suspiciously, and when I got out, I realized that there was such a stench on the street. It turns out that there was "Azot" nearby.
      1. +1
        21 January 2020 09: 43
        When I arrived in Novokuznetsk in 1982 on a business trip, I saw the whole city in burning and a yellow circle from the sun in the sky, and three days before that, a normally dressed woman was on a bus in Kemerovo. And suddenly it smelled of urine. I looked at her so suspiciously, and when I got out, I realized that there was such a stench on the street. It turns out that there was "Azot" nearby.

        I have a friend who has worked as a director of a fish factory for a long time. In my opinion, the whole bus is still turning in his direction when he goes there! Such aromas of smoking! It was a delicious fish! And Novokuznetsk - yes! Kuznetsk hollow, constant calm. In Kemerovo blows a little more.
      2. +1
        21 January 2020 10: 39
        Quote: _Sergey_
        And suddenly it smelled of urine. I looked at her so suspiciously, and when I got out, I realized that there was such a stench on the street. It turns out that there was "Azot" nearby.

        In the late 70s, I happened to be in Vyborg, and when my wife and I were traveling by bus past the bay (who knows a local, it was called "Papula" - the drain of the local meat-packing plant flowed there) ... We looked at each other, because the bus suffered "hydrogen sulfide" ...
        And I also had to visit Nikel with its sweetish-tasting air ... I was in Monchegorsk with its "clean" houses ... Someone can tell about Chelyabinsk ... But in Kuzbass, which is sold to coal generals, a conversation about ecology can be conducted only purely pointless.
        1. 0
          21 January 2020 11: 53
          ... but the smoke of the fatherland is sweet and pleasant to us.
      3. 0
        21 January 2020 11: 54
        Quote: _Sergey_
        I looked at her so suspiciously, and when I got out, I realized that there was such a stench on the street. It turns out that there was "Azot" nearby.

        So you can offend a person, for no reason.
    3. 0
      21 January 2020 11: 51
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Greetings from Kemerovo:

      London is already cleaner than yours
  4. +2
    21 January 2020 06: 29
    GDP! Those who are dear and dear to him do not give up.
    Generally and never.
    We look here.
    Solzhenitsyn Stepan Aleksandrovich
    General Director of Siberian Generating Company

    Born in September 1973.

    He graduated from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Harvard. He worked as an expert in energy, ecology and urban planning in New York. Since 2004, he has been involved in energy issues in Russia. He worked in the Russian office of McKinsey - he was responsible for the direction of electric power and heat supply. He led projects in the field of power generation, development and operation of networks, marketing activities. Since November 2018, he heads the Siberian Generating Company.


    Nothing surprises me anymore.
    1. 0
      21 January 2020 06: 50
      Quote: demo
      Nothing surprises me anymore.

      and what you are not satisfied with the level of education in
      Graduated from Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Harvard
      ?
      1. +3
        21 January 2020 07: 30
        and what you are not satisfied with the level of education in

        Too wacky, bespectacled man!
        1. 0
          21 January 2020 07: 45
          Too wacky, bespectacled man!

          for many this is a cause for suspicion laughing
          1. +1
            21 January 2020 07: 58
            for many this is a cause for suspicion

            ... and the eyes are so kind, kind. Something like Ilyich. I don’t understand what. Either beard or bald?
      2. +2
        21 January 2020 07: 58
        We have the same Harvard and Chicago boys in control. I have nothing against education, only against the thoughtless transfer of Western experience to our reality. Already 10 years as they introduced the same trendy chips like 5s, Toyota, lean manufacturing. There are results, but there is also a lot of negativity associated with the abandonment of stocks of spare parts and the transition to procurement in fact, through the trading house created for this. I will give two examples. On one of the generators, the VT (voltage transformer), which acts to turn off the generator, got out of standing. TN delivered only after six months !!!! At the same time, the generator was not displayed for repair, so as not to lose money for the power market. The second number of the Marlezon ballet, implying the supply of coal without interruption, it was decided to reduce or try to completely abandon open warehouses. It’s just a little jerk .... In the first winter, with a decrease in the amount of coal in warehouses and work with wheels, the number of explosions in the dust systems increased due to the adherence of wet coal to the necks of the dust systems, but this could be survived. Another incident was more serious. In March and April, the temperature dropped to -20, I don’t remember a year. In addition, the system operator brought the system automation and loaded thermal stations at par. And as a result, only the minimum (emergency) stock remained in our warehouse. Almost half of it was used up until the trains were sent. And guess at one time, these Harvard boys voiced the problem that we were unloaded or not? The result - warehouses have since collapsed even more than necessary ....
        1. +2
          21 January 2020 08: 40
          We have the same Harvard and Chicago boys in control.

          Yes, during the Soviet era, there were some fools.
      3. +1
        21 January 2020 08: 31
        For a country like the United States, graduation is the highest mark.
        But one must understand the following.
        As elsewhere, in any country where the university is located, education must have a national color.
        Let me explain.
        In addition to the studied disciplines, the student has one simple thought - we (the country) are the best, we know who needs what, and without us the rest will disappear - this is simplified.
        This is done gradually, not intrusively, furnished with a mass of examples.
        And the young specialist leaving the walls of the educational institution will go on with such thoughts in life.
        And where such a road will lead him to is known to God alone.
        The second educational institution, Harvard, has an even more specific bias.
        During the years of the USSR, the so-called "Harvard Project" existed.

        I could continue to explain to you further what and how, but I have a firm belief that you already know this.
        But here is the reason that you are trying to seem incomprehensible, annoying me.
        Usually, citizens who were previously called provocateurs behave this way.
        Those. those who pushed people to make explicit statements in order to clarify the true attitude of a person to burning problems.

        The family of Solomon Zherlitsyn (Solzhenitsyn) makes me, a Russian, feel disgust and disgust, because at first this fruit barked at all corners, then after being kicked out of the country, it continued to bark from outside, calling for destruction and country, and people, and then pushed back when he became TAM is not interesting.
        And then a classic of Russian literature and a patriot of the country are trying to form from him.
        Ugh, abomination.
        An apple from such an apple tree will not fall far.
        1. +1
          21 January 2020 12: 22
          You are 100 percent right and even more. And according to Solzhenitsyn, I have the same sense of disgust.
      4. +1
        21 January 2020 09: 11
        Quote: atalef
        and what you are not satisfied with the level of education in

        Russian patriots are not trained there.
        Hello, Levoslav! hi
    2. 0
      21 January 2020 08: 15
      MIT is the most prestigious and advanced institution in the world, wherever it is.
    3. +4
      21 January 2020 08: 57
      Quote: demo
      Nothing surprises me anymore.

      Find ten differences:
    4. +1
      21 January 2020 11: 55
      Quote: demo
      He graduated from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Harvard. He worked as an expert in energy, ecology and urban planning in New York. Since 2004, he has been involved in energy issues in Russia.

      These are all said. No comments.
    5. 0
      21 January 2020 13: 47
      Last year came. But smart, you can’t say anything. And he doesn’t make himself a cool boss, he normally communicates with people.
  5. +5
    21 January 2020 06: 44
    Well, how cool. And the possibility of advertising at the same is not bad. But what to do with long-term prospects? Gas is very good. True, a little expensive for starting investments. Less stable in terms of operational safety. Given the low population density, a developed pipeline network is already astronomy. And what to do with a million miners and their families in Siberia? With the wagon segment of coal transportation already clogged into the budget of Russian Railways? What should small towns do if large networks are switched to gas and the cost of delivery is significantly increased due to lower volumes? With the incomes of the local population, a private pipe to the house is only the notorious gas mortgage. But why, for example, the appearance of local gas boiler houses increases the cost of heat? This, of course, is not a question for the hero of the article, but only he can’t do the same with him. And how much, by the way, is this gas? For a hundred years? But the degrading coal industry is not subject to restoration due to the disappearance of the population from mining sites. And where is the article on developments in the field of environmental friendliness of coal mining and consumption? Where is its additional processing and investments there? Well, in conclusion, of course, the state and Putin personally are to blame.
    1. +2
      21 January 2020 07: 29
      Correctly you raised the topic of economics.
      I will add only one thing to this - why we (the city, consumers) recycle heat power plants for money? I responsibly declare that they charge a double tariff for us - for the production of electricity and for the production of heat, the price of which includes coal and everything else for the second time.
      1. -2
        21 January 2020 08: 21
        Quote: pmkemcity
        we are charged a double tariff - for the production of electricity and for the production of heat, the price of which for the second time includes coal and everything else

        Heating mains, heating systems in homes - also include there?

        Until I argue, I’m just interested.
        1. +1
          21 January 2020 09: 08
          Fundamentally, capital investments and depreciation are the main components of payment. It should be ... Now it’s not at all clear where and what. But in modern realities, this is a lot for similar objects. It is enough to calculate a communal apartment, in the sense of a piped system, warm-hot water for the same gas from scratch.
        2. +1
          21 January 2020 09: 21
          The main price is delivery, that of electricity, that of heat. For example, the delivery of electricity from Kuzbass to Altai is 2,5 times more expensive than the generation itself
          1. 0
            21 January 2020 09: 34
            I can not operate with numbers, no at hand. But here we have an energy donor, Novosibirsk. And then from the Kuzbass really a little expensive ....
          2. -1
            21 January 2020 12: 02
            The main price is delivery, that of electricity, that of heat. For example, the delivery of electricity from Kuzbass to Altai is 2,5 times more expensive than the generation itself

            Previously, there was such a word - flows. Kuzbass in terms of electricity was a self-sufficient region. But we gave our energy west to Novosib, Barnaul, and received from Krasnoyarsk. And so it went down to the Urals, which was energy-deficient. If they had driven electricity from Krasnoyarsk or Irkutsk straight to the Urals, then nothing would have gotten there because of the losses - it would have been possible to bask directly on the wires.
        3. 0
          21 January 2020 09: 50
          Heating mains, heating systems in homes - also include there?

          No. Heating mains are already network digging, and heating systems in homes are already your property, and you and the management company that you hired to manage MKD are responsible for it.
          PS Often, generating and marketing companies have one owner.
      2. +1
        21 January 2020 09: 13
        A bit wrong. Calculation comes from calories produced. The current settlement system for CHPPs does not allow double calculation, as relies on the performance characteristics of the station. Another thing is the heat losses inscribed by the station itself, etc. in fact, you are close to the truth, but not twice. 10-15 percent, since coal must be implemented, and other options are criminal. Exit-postscript in purchases, fictitious slag is shorter on trifles. Well, for this, the understatement of the heat efficiency of the boiler group.
        1. +1
          21 January 2020 09: 56
          A bit wrong. Calculation comes from calories produced. The current settlement system for CHPPs does not allow double calculation, as relies on the performance characteristics of the station. Another thing is the heat losses inscribed by the station itself, etc. in fact, you are close to the truth, but not twice. 10-15 percent, since coal must be implemented, and other options are criminal. Exit-postscript in purchases, fictitious slag is shorter on trifles. Well, for this, the understatement of the heat efficiency of the boiler group.

          Of course I'm hypertrophic. Much of the tariff goes to spreading the costs of small CHP plants. It is impossible for the post-socialist generation to explain that a large CHP always has lower costs than a small one.
          1. +1
            21 January 2020 10: 20
            In the absolute agree
            1. +1
              21 January 2020 10: 25
              For me, the "city of the future" in Siberia should be built under a transparent hood laughing with one big stove on the street. ... and bring the smoking room to frost!
              1. +1
                21 January 2020 10: 40
                About this should be a Siberian city
                1. +1
                  21 January 2020 11: 45
                  Aren't you ashamed to destroy the snow removal business? There is no cross on you ...
                  1. +1
                    21 January 2020 11: 50
                    No, this is a SNOW-CLEANING business! fellow
                2. -1
                  21 January 2020 12: 04
                  About this should be a Siberian city

                  Balm for the soul! My dreams are like an "architect dad".
      3. 0
        22 January 2020 13: 56
        Quote: pmkemcity
        why we (city, consumers) recycle heat power plants for money?


        Because this is not recycling, but the consumption of a useful product that is produced simultaneously with electricity. Due to what the price goes lower than with a separate production of both.
    2. 0
      21 January 2020 11: 59
      Quote: sleeve
      Less stable in terms of operational safety.

      Who knows ? Here in the city of Light (near Kaliningrad) at the Fish Canning Plant for years
      20 ago a coal-fired boiler house exploded, so the plant is still heated from an old steam tug.
  6. +1
    21 January 2020 07: 52
    The trouble with new technologies is that the person there is superfluous.
    Station staff - 3 people (with security guard)
    And where will the coal station workers go? Although I doubt that there is only one security guard in the state, at least he should have a shift, but you cannot transfer all employees to security guards ...
    1. +4
      21 January 2020 08: 22
      The trouble with new technologies is that the person there is superfluous.

      This is all until the first accident. Then they will scatter along the Courchevels.
    2. 0
      21 January 2020 09: 38
      Well here with the staff right oh. At forty-hour workweeks, this is a schedule like a minimum of two days later, and then it is a little expensive by law. So it’s already 9 people. And the director. Already 135000 a month if in black 15-30 thousand each (30 to the director). Is this how to cost?
      1. 0
        21 January 2020 10: 28
        Well here with the staff right oh. At forty-hour workweeks, this is a schedule like a minimum of two days later, and then it is a little expensive by law. So it’s already 9 people. And the director. Already 135000 a month if in black 15-30 thousand each (30 to the director). Is this how to cost?

        Old Soviet anecdote:
        “They built a bridge across one stream.”
        For strategic reasons, a watchman was assigned to him: bridges should be guarded. For payment of work the watchman was allocated the cashier. For the reporting procedure, they took an accountant. For the general management, a manager was appointed ... But here came an instruction to reduce staff.
        The guard was fired ...
        1. 0
          21 January 2020 10: 29
          Exactly
        2. -1
          21 January 2020 12: 36
          Quote: pmkemcity
          The guard was fired ...

          In six months, they will add a director (or manager).
      2. 0
        21 January 2020 12: 09
        Quote: sleeve
        Already 135000 a month if in black 15-30 thousand each (30 to the director). Is this how to cost?

        I have two gas boilers in the building, maintenance every three months for 50 euros, 200 for a year, though in two years the fans (internal) were changed for 200 euros, a total of 400, but this is not the money that you voiced.
        1. 0
          21 January 2020 12: 19
          Well, I have a purely reasonable assessment. So I’m familiar with the subject. In principle, the staff is different and the service system.
          1. 0
            21 January 2020 12: 35
            Quote: sleeve
            Well, I have a purely reasonable assessment. So I’m familiar with the subject. In principle, the staff is different and the service system.

            I am not a specialist, I am a simple layman, and I write as a layman, I do not go into details.
  7. 0
    21 January 2020 13: 58
    . We made the smoke coming out of the boiler work. It is economically viable and reduces emissions of harmful substances into the atmosphere. This work is performed at the station by a flue gas heat recovery unit. It works like this: smoke at the outlet of the boiler with a temperature of 200 degrees Celsius passes through a special device. There he gives his heat to produce hot water for consumers and is cooled to 40-50 degrees Celsius

    This "modern" technology is already a hundred years old at lunchtime. Ancient, like mammoth excrement, boilers DKVR and DE use economizers to heat water.
  8. 0
    22 January 2020 13: 44
    Obviously, an advertisement for gas boiler houses. In fact, the only option when a gas boiler house is cheaper, and that is not a fact, is when the developer builds a boiler room, but does not service it in principle. Whatever one may say, heating tariffs in regions where gas is heated are higher. Amused information "for reference". If coal is so bad and it's all about it, why then in Moscow, St. Petersburg and Chelyabinsk the nitrogen dioxide situation was worse?
  9. +1
    22 January 2020 14: 17
    Quote: Thrifty
    What can I say, except for the mat? The Kremlin really has no life beyond the Moscow Ring Road! Everything is left to chance, whoever unfastened more is the king of the mountain, and the environment and the population are just empty words. ..


    This is some kind of strange fix idea that gas must be used everywhere, and whoever does not use it is a third-class person. Under the USSR, coal was used calmly where it is closer than gas and it was completely suitable for everyone. On the contrary, the miners were glorified by the heroes of the socialist labor of Stakhanov and his followers.
  10. 0
    27 January 2020 18: 35
    Dumb advertising sketch. Dude because of high prices, gas boiler rooms are not loaded, so he craps with bricks.

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