The economy of Ukraine in the West was predicted by growth rates above the world average

The economy of Ukraine in the West was predicted by growth rates above the world average

Recently, encouraging forecasts about the "rapid economic growth" of Ukraine are increasingly heard in the West. Almost its take-off to the level of the most intensively developing states of the world. Yes, and in the most "non-fallow" in a variety of official reports and reports drawn such tempting figures that you wonder.


Well, somehow this does not at all fit in with the real pictures of life in this country, as well as with the true situation of Ukrainian industry, transport and other important sectors of the very economy, which is flourishing on paper. So where is the truth?

The International Monetary Fund, the EBRD, rating agencies Standard & Poor's Global Ratings and Fitch Ratings - all of them literally vyingly promise Kiev in the near future GDP growth of 3% or higher. Credit Suisse analysts broke all optimism records on this issue, saying that in the next couple of years, Ukraine’s GDP will increase by more than 4% per year! This is above the global average.


However, in the government there, even such astounding prophecies are considered "restrained" and are thinking about waving at a fantastic 5-6% of the annual GDP growth. Apparently, the milk rivers in the sweet and sour banks, which all the inhabitants of the "nenki" can reach, are just around the corner?

In fact, this is, to put it mildly ... not quite so. First of all, you need to understand that the growth rate is calculated in comparison with the last year. And if we take into account that after the Maidan coup, Ukraine’s GDP, according to the most minimal estimates, collapsed by at least 2013-15% compared with the last relatively calm year 16, then it’s clear that there are more than enough prospects for “growth”.

Trying to get out of the bottom of the pit is not the same thing as climbing to the top. To the level of 2013, when some industry was still operating in the country and there was a “cut off” export to Russia, Ukraine has not risen to this day and is unlikely to rise. The indicators that were before the collapse of the USSR are not at all.

Another important point is that the concept of gross domestic product, invented and introduced by financiers of the West, is a rather slippery and specific thing. Here it is important how to calculate it: according to the production method, profitable or even expendable. The fact that more money was pumped through the Ukrainian economy over the past year does not mean that it has “strengthened” or “grown”. A number of well-defined factors affected: the presidential and parliamentary elections, when the money was “spinning” intensively, the shock work of the GTS, through which 7% more gas was consumed in Europe stocking up on a rainy day than in the previous year (respectively, the transit fee increased ), and some others.

Most of all, the growth of GDP was “pulled” by the indicators of retail trade. At the same time, we observe a strange paradox - wholesale trade during the same time turned out to be "in the red." So what's the deal? In the rapid increase in prices for all, without exception, consumer goods. The clearest and most understandable example is potatoes, the price of which in the "non-fall" autumn reached a dollar per kilogram! Now it has decreased slightly, but still exceeds the last year three-four times. What can I say, if the cost of a pack of cigarettes (domestic producer) over the past 5 years has increased 20 times in Ukraine! And this is solely due to an increase in excise duty. Constantly rising prices for utilities, heating, water supply - these are the phantasmagoric figures in government reports. After all, all these services are already "released to the population." The fact that the debts for gas, heat, electricity and water supply of this very population are estimated at billions can be modestly silent.

Ukrainians still have money. Another question is where do they come from. Recently, the Minister of Economic Development, Trade and Agriculture of Ukraine Timofey Milovanov made a stunning recognition: only 12,8 million of 28,5 million Ukrainians of working age work legally. The rest either long ago replenished the ranks of the "earned money", or work "on a preliminary basis" without paying a penny of taxes. According to many experts, it is precisely the money transferred by migrant workers to Ukraine from abroad that make up at least half of the population’s “spinning” funds. And it cannot be otherwise - according to the State Statistics Service, in December 2019 the number of unemployed in the country increased by 17%, and the number of vacancies, in turn, decreased by 27%. Industrial production last year fell by no less than 7%. That’s the whole ugly side of a beautiful fairy tale about “GDP growth” ...
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  1. Hunter 2 20 January 2020 07: 11 New
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    Not how Yuzhmash, Nikolaev Shipyards, Motorsich, etc. will be revived belay
    Growth from a complete swamp is certainly an Indicator!
    The country is record-breaking losing what remains - Labor resources! What kind of growth can we talk about ???
    1. Uncle lee 20 January 2020 07: 35 New
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      more than 4% per year!
      Eeeh! We would have such a growth! lol
      1. Hunter 2 20 January 2020 07: 39 New
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        As one well-known sports commentator said ... No, we do not need such hockey (growth)! stop
      2. Xnumx vis 20 January 2020 09: 20 New
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        Quote: Uncle Lee
        more than 4% per year!
        Eeeh! We would have such a growth! lol

        Yes, God forbid, such a “growth” In Ukraine, everyone works in black ... I remember until 14 years in Kiev they were waiting for money to come to Sevastopol for wages, they received from the city a real income tax of about 20 percent of the wages of workers and employees of the Black Sea Fleet Russia ... The rest of Ukraine, I didn’t pay a damn to the treasury of the country ... Now I think they are still "cooler" some "unemployed" !!!
        1. Uncle lee 20 January 2020 09: 25 New
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          Quote: 30 vis
          God forbid such a "growth"

          I apologize ... Again I did not put a signature: "I'm kidding!"
      3. kubash66 21 January 2020 13: 31 New
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        Sanctions, will not be in growth rush, every year more and more lag
    2. Stas157 20 January 2020 07: 47 New
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      Take away the word Ukraine and the article just as about our country. Growth after a collapse. Inflated performance. Wet dreams of rising above the world. Rising prices for everything that is possible.

      I was struck by Putin’s recognition that the economy has doubled, while the well-being of the population has frozen. He directly speaks about how the population is ripped off!
      There is no need to prove anything.

      Although all his ministers always talk about something else. Especially about the fantastic growth of salaries and life expectancy.
      1. Was mammoth 20 January 2020 08: 02 New
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        Quote: Stas157
        Take away the word Ukraine and the article just as about our country.

        " What can I say, if the cost of a pack of cigarettes (domestic producer) over the past 5 years has increased 20 times in Ukraine! ."
        Obviously a non-smoking author! wink
        1. bessmertniy 20 January 2020 08: 07 New
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          It is because of this that they smoke all sorts of rubbish, which knocks their brains on their side. repeat
        2. atalef 20 January 2020 08: 08 New
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          Quote: Was Mammoth
          "What can I say, if the cost of a pack of cigarettes (a domestic producer) over the past 5 years has increased 20 times in Ukraine!"
          Obviously a non-smoking author!

          C'mon, cigarettes in Ukraine are cheaper than in Russia.
          And they did not grow 20 times.
          1. Egoza 20 January 2020 09: 48 New
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            Quote: atalef
            C'mon, cigarettes in Ukraine are cheaper than in Russia.
            And they did not grow 20 times.

            come on. Since January, the cost will increase again, so by 15-20%. Well, they will also collect data on transfers of money and receipts to bank cards (they have already announced this directly) and at the end of the year will TAKE ALL DECLARATIONS (Yeah, how did you survive on retirement) And they will remove about 20% of the tax. Again, not everyone sold out, because the “Western partners” rub their paws and predict “growth”. There will be, there will be growth .... in the "velik samostiynoy dirk" (read Galana)
            1. atalef 20 January 2020 09: 53 New
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              Quote: Egoza
              Quote: atalef
              C'mon, cigarettes in Ukraine are cheaper than in Russia.
              And they did not grow 20 times.

              come on. Since January, the cost will increase again, so by 15-20%. Well, they will also collect data on transfers of money and receipts to bank cards (they have already announced this directly) and at the end of the year will TAKE ALL DECLARATIONS (Yeah, how did you survive on retirement) And they will remove about 20% of the tax. Again, not everyone sold out, because the “Western partners” rub their paws and predict “growth”. There will be, there will be growth .... in the "velik samostiynoy dirk" (read Galana)

              Once again, the question is, they have risen in price by 20 times or not, in that you have to pay taxes - sorry.
              Everywhere they pay, why do not you?
              1. Egoza 20 January 2020 18: 45 New
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                Quote: atalef
                Once again, the question is, they have risen in price by 20 times or not, in that you have to pay taxes - sorry.
                Everywhere they pay, why do not you?

                I do not smoke, I take information from a neighbor smoking and newspapers. It is indicated that there will be an increase of 15-20%. If a pack costs 37 UAH, then consider how much will be in rubles. It is a lot or a little. In any case, the neighbor has been cursing at increasing prices for the past three years.
                As for taxes .... Pension - 2600 UAH, gas payment (in the village) 2066 UAH, the son sent 1000 UAH to the card. It is from this thousand that it will be necessary to pay the “army duty” and the tax on “profit”. Yes! I think that having 36 years of teaching experience, having received such a pension from "grateful Ukraine", I can not pay the tax.
                1. atalef 20 January 2020 19: 46 New
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                  Quote: Egoza
                  the son sent 1000 UAH to the card. From this thousand, it will be necessary to pay the “army duty” and the tax on “profit”

                  This is definitely tin.
                  And why do you have to pay tax on this?
                  You are not a legal entity and this is not a professional activity.
                  What is the profit here?
                  1. Egoza 20 January 2020 21: 10 New
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                    Quote: atalef
                    And why do you have to pay tax on this?
                    You are not a legal entity and this is not a professional activity.
                    What is the profit here?

                    So I think so. BUT "You got the money OPTIONAL", and pay for it. In general, in our country, they hope for the quiet extinction of retirees. And then it will be “Hurray! No one needs to pay!” Wow what economic growth will be!
                2. Lena Petrova 21 January 2020 19: 41 New
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                  All you need is to not count how much cigarettes cost, but just quit smoking.
                  PS: For 58 years - I have never tried this muck.
            2. major147 20 January 2020 11: 54 New
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              Quote: Egoza
              There will be, there will be growth .... in the "velik samostiyin dirk"

              They were given another loan, as well as "economic growth" tongue
      2. aybolyt678 20 January 2020 10: 05 New
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        Speaking about the growth of the economy, the ministers have in mind the growth in the number and size of Larger shops, supermarkets, and transnational retail chains ... you can’t argue here - GROWTH !!!!
    3. atalef 20 January 2020 08: 06 New
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      Quote: Hunter 2
      Not how Yuzhmash, Nikolaev Shipyards, Motorsich, etc. will be revived
      Growth from a complete swamp is certainly an Indicator!

      Nevertheless, you always compare 2000 and 2020 - while not ceasing to sing praises to Putin.
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Labor resources! What kind of growth can we talk about ???

      The GDP growth in Ukraine last year exceeded the Russian one, the hryvnia against the dollar strengthened more than the ruble against the dollar.
      It is a fact
      Less Soloviev listen
      1. Was mammoth 20 January 2020 08: 20 New
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        Quote: atalef
        The GDP growth in Ukraine last year exceeded the Russian one, the hryvnia against the dollar strengthened more than the ruble against the dollar.
        It is a fact
        Less Soloviev listen

        The causes of GDP growth in Ukraine can be analyzed, as well as the strengthening of the hryvnia. wink
        But is it necessary for our government to strengthen the ruble?
      2. bistrov. 20 January 2020 08: 55 New
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        Quote: atalef
        The GDP growth in Ukraine last year exceeded the Russian one, the hryvnia against the dollar strengthened more than the ruble against the dollar.
        It is a fact

        Have you read the article? GDP growth (in fact, this is not growth, but some recovery, what could be growth if in 2013 GDP was 180 billion, and last year 120) due to higher prices for all goods, including food, services and literally spasmodic increase in housing tariffs. The price of gas increased 10 times compared to 2013. Even loans are included in GDP.
        Do not weave about the dollar either, the hryvnia against the dollar has fallen almost four times compared to 2013, its level at the beginning of 2019 was at the level of 28-26, now it has risen to 24, due to the issue of the so-called Government bonds (bonds) with high returns, which attracted global financial speculators of all stripes, but there will be an early reckoning for this, you need to understand. In addition, some stabilization on the hryvnia exchange rate is introduced by the "zarobitchans", bringing about 13 billion dollars in money supply. It still somehow maintains the level of domestic sales and construction, but, again, this cannot last indefinitely, more and more people permanently settle abroad. Please note: bare cash flow, where are the goods produced?
        The ruble has fallen to the dollar by half, mainly due to falling oil prices, and even though consumer prices have risen slightly, they are now almost equal to Ukrainian ones, although earlier products in Ukraine were much cheaper .
        1. atalef 20 January 2020 09: 55 New
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          Quote: bistrov.
          Quote: atalef
          The GDP growth in Ukraine last year exceeded the Russian one, the hryvnia against the dollar strengthened more than the ruble against the dollar.
          It is a fact

          Have you read the article? GDP growth (in fact, this is not growth, but some recovery, what could be growth if in 2013 GDP was 180 billion, and last year 120) due to higher prices for all goods, including food, services and literally spasmodic increase in housing tariffs. The price of gas increased 10 times compared to 2013. Even loans are included in GDP.
          Do not weave about the dollar either, the hryvnia against the dollar has fallen almost four times compared to 2013, its level at the beginning of 2019 was at the level of 28-26, now it has risen to 24, due to the issue of the so-called Government bonds (bonds) with high returns, which attracted global financial speculators of all stripes, but there will be an early reckoning for this, you need to understand. In addition, some stabilization on the hryvnia exchange rate is introduced by the "zarobitchans", bringing about 13 billion dollars in money supply. It still somehow maintains the level of domestic sales and construction, but, again, this cannot last indefinitely, more and more people permanently settle abroad. Please note: bare cash flow, where are the goods produced?
          The ruble has fallen to the dollar by half, mainly due to falling oil prices, and even though consumer prices have risen slightly, they are now almost equal to Ukrainian ones, although earlier products in Ukraine were much cheaper .

          You can tell anything, how and why and the reason is in Gaster, but in Russia oil is a fact remains a fact.
          GDP is growing, the hryvnia is strengthening - you do not like it - it’s clear why forecasts do not come true, but it’s insulting
          1. Victorio 20 January 2020 10: 43 New
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            [quote = atalef] You can tell anything , how and why, and the reason is in Gaster, and in Russia oil is a fact remains a fact.
            GDP is growing, the hryvnia is strengthening - you don’t like it - it’s clear why forecasts do not come true, but it’s insulting [/ quote]
            ===
            Similarly, in Latvia, the gdp also grew, due to an increase in the salaries of those in power.
            and prices habitually and steadily rise and rise even without Putin.
            1. atalef 20 January 2020 11: 16 New
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              Quote: Victorio
              Similarly, in Latvia, the gdp also grew, due to an increase in the salaries of those in power.

              come on you - salaries do not affect GDP growth
              1. Victorio 20 January 2020 11: 47 New
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                Quote: atalef
                Quote: Victorio
                Similarly, in Latvia, the gdp also grew, due to an increase in the salaries of those in power.

                come on you - salaries do not affect GDP growth

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                depends on salaries, and their number in relation to the total population. and the population is less than 2 million
          2. bistrov. 20 January 2020 12: 16 New
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            Quote: atalef
            GDP is growing, hryvnia is strengthening - you do not like it

            Sometimes it’s useful for the economy, just a cheap national currency, in particular, as happened in Russia, the money supply has increased, there’s nowhere to go, all expenses are financed, and there is still a lot of money in the accounts, the so-called OVERFIT, and foreign exchange reserves are growing again, which your "independent" did not even dream of, hehe ..., so I think there’s nothing to offend the Russians, in all respects the standard of living of Russians is higher than the "Central European" as much as 2,5 , XNUMX times.
            Tell your own tales about your GDP, if it calms you, otherwise it really will not go mad for long, what has happened to many people, I often visit you, I see with my own eyes, one "shuliavsky bridge" that is lined from the woods, and around the mountain of garbage, sand, gravel, built the “Pedalik”, as I saw, my eyes almost got out of my orbits, tearing my claws from there, it seemed I had seen everything for my life, but I hadn’t seen it yet, hehe ... I wish a fair wind to "Europe", but I think that you won’t swim there soon ...
          3. Sergey1987 20 January 2020 13: 35 New
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            Quote: atalef
            You can tell anything, how and why and the reason is in Gaster, but in Russia oil is a fact remains a fact.
            GDP is growing, the hryvnia is strengthening - you do not like it - it’s clear why forecasts do not come true, but it’s insulting

            The fact remains. Yeah. dill 49th world economy, in terms of GDP (PPP) is on a par with Ireland, only in Ireland there are 5 million people, and in Ukraine 42. The fact remains that almost 30% of the population lives below the poverty line. The fact remains that 9% inflation. And this is with all the facts that your comrades have listed above. And of course, everything is just wonderful. External debt is growing, people are fleeing the country. Fine.
      3. garrett 20 January 2020 09: 33 New
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        Less Soloviev listen

        Dear, and where does Soloviev ?? There are many reasons for strengthening the hryvnia, but the main ones are 2. The first and main one is the issue of government bonds at 15% (fifteen, CARL !!!!), if this doesn’t tell you anything, then do not try to enter the economy laughing Well, the second reason is the money of zrobitschans (in the short term it is good for an economy that is independent, in the long run it will lead to irreversible consequences)
        1. atalef 20 January 2020 09: 57 New
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          Quote: Garrett
          OVDPs issue at 15% (fifteen, KARL !!!!), if this does not mean anything to you, then do not try to enter the economy

          Ovgz in hryvnias or in cu?
          Discard the link.
          1. dvina71 20 January 2020 10: 29 New
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            Quote: atalef
            Ovgz in hryvnias or in cu?

            In hryvnias .. in hryvnias .. This is an analogue of Russian GKOs .. this is the pyramid that ended in the 98th year. When Kirichenko defaulted ..
            The currency is converted into national currency, stocks are bought for it .. then they are handed over and received national currency with income .. in Russia, the income was about 100% per year .. because the national currency is converted back to solid .. This scheme works only on one condition .. a strengthening or stable domestic currency .. no matter what inflation is at the same time ..
            A side effect of a strong national currency is a dead domestic producer ..
            Cartoplyu already exported to Ukraine .. including from Russia ..
            1. atalef 20 January 2020 11: 22 New
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              Quote: dvina71
              In hryvnias .. in hryvnias.

              therefore, 15%, you probably forgot about the existence of inflation.
              If it were in cu - then tin, and so?
              what is the% in Russia on term deposits in rubles?
              10%, but can be found for the long term and higher

              Quote: dvina71
              This is an analogue of Russian GKOs ... this is the pyramid that ended in '98. When Kirichenko defaulted.

              Russia defaulted twice. Ukraine has never.
              nor deadly wink
              1. garrett 20 January 2020 12: 02 New
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                therefore, 15%, you probably forgot about the existence of inflation.
                If it were in cu - then tin, and so?
                what is the% in Russia on term deposits in rubles?
                10%, but can be found for the long term and higher

                O RLY ???
                the first - in Russia, the yield is 5,91%, in Europe and the USA it varies from 2,5 to 5,5, the second - it was about short-term loans and not deposits, and especially not about long-term loans
                Z.Y. do not disgrace)))
              2. dvina71 20 January 2020 19: 53 New
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                Quote: atalef

                therefore, 15%, you probably forgot about the existence of inflation.

                I don’t know .. If you don’t read it carefully, or don’t you want to understand what you read? What is the role of domestic inflation in frauds with short-term bonds?
                There are only two components in this scheme .. Interest rate and stability (strengthening) of the domestic currency ..
                Inflation for local natives .. first, a high rate of domestic currency will finish off the remnants of production, primarily food processing enterprises .. and their stores will immediately be overwhelmed by Western European producers ..
                In general, we have already passed this ..
          2. garrett 20 January 2020 11: 28 New
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            Discard the link.

            have you been banned in google ??? this is open information
            According to the data of bankers and financiers surveyed by Delo.ua, the income on bonds of the internal state loan (OVDP) is up to 19,5%. Whereas the maximum rates on bank deposits today do not exceed 15% per annum
            1. atalef 20 January 2020 11: 41 New
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              Quote: Garrett
              Discard the link.

              have you been banned in google ??? this is open information
              According to the data of bankers and financiers surveyed by Delo.ua, the income on bonds of the internal state loan (OVDP) is up to 19,5%. Whereas the maximum rates on bank deposits today do not exceed 15% per annum

              so what's in this military?
      4. aybolyt678 20 January 2020 10: 09 New
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        Quote: atalef
        hryvnia to the dollar strengthened

        the stronger the hryvnia against the dollar, the cheaper the import, the worse the local producer.
        1. atalef 20 January 2020 11: 23 New
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          Quote: aybolyt678
          Quote: atalef
          hryvnia to the dollar strengthened

          the stronger the hryvnia against the dollar, the cheaper the import, the worse the local producer.

          You won’t understand.
          The ruble is falling - badly, the hryvnia is strengthening - badly.
          What do you need?
          1. aybolyt678 20 January 2020 11: 55 New
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            two arguers can tell the truth, each his own, and the truth will be different. I think that in fact we are one country where a brother hates his brother, and banks earn on the difference in exchange rate wassat
        2. major147 20 January 2020 12: 00 New
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          Quote: aybolyt678
          Quote: atalef
          hryvnia to the dollar strengthened

          the stronger the hryvnia against the dollar, the cheaper the import, the worse the local producer.

          Incidentally, this was the subject of scandalous conversation recorded by someone about the prime minister about their under-president.
        3. major147 20 January 2020 12: 26 New
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          Quote: aybolyt678
          the stronger the hryvnia against the dollar, the cheaper the import, the worse the local producer.

          "In Lviv region, at the checkpoint" Krakovets-Korchev ", customs officers found about 300 kilograms of" contraband "lard and guts. The Ukrainian hid all the good in her car, having previously securely packed" valuable products ". A woman tried to import lard from Poland." https://kp.ua
    4. Evil543 20 January 2020 08: 35 New
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      Yes, why revive something? SchA land for a year to sell, that’s the increased interest. no
      1. depressant 20 January 2020 12: 19 New
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        Recently I happened to see in one of the Zen materials how the Tajiks rose at our expense. Do you think they still live in mountain adobe villages and come down to us from there? No, using our money, they build large estates in the valleys, now striving for European amenities, and we are all about them - "poor, beggars." Shepherds grazing in summer live in villages. But there is a limit. By ditching Soviet industry and building only estates, Tajiks are only slowing down their rollback in the Middle Ages. Ukraine follows the same path. The phenomenon of migrant workers as the economic path chosen by it has a limit to saturating the country with money. When they understand, it will be too late.
  2. rocket757 20 January 2020 07: 13 New
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    The economy of Ukraine in the West was predicted by growth rates above the world average

    But sho, it may well be !!! As the land will begin to sell, the loot on the country kukuevo so from the "cornucopia" and showered .... however, not for long, of course it is.
    But after all, the numbers of "achievements" for this case can be steeply drawn ... statistics, this is such a "flexible science", it easily bends under the Wishlist and promises of the powerful!
    1. The popuas 20 January 2020 07: 39 New
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      Just yesterday, the article was, as Iula shouted about the beginning of the liquidation of the state of Ukraine ... it was about the sale of land! The West, of course, will sing about the growth of the country's economy, but their local singers are not far behind ... hi
      1. rocket757 20 January 2020 07: 46 New
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        Quote: Popuas
        The West, of course, will sing about the growth of the country's economy, but their local singers are not far behind ...

        This is always the case when the temporary workers in power are in power! They will be pleased for the interests of that side, for the "small share".
    2. major147 20 January 2020 12: 02 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      statistics, it’s such a “flexible science”, it easily bends down under the Wishlist and promises of the powerful!

      There are three types of lies: lies, blatant lies and statistics ... (c)
      1. rocket757 20 January 2020 12: 11 New
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        Life presents us with many surprises. You stop wondering and become an inveterate cynic ... and when you tried to remain just a normal person.
        The glass is already full, just a feeling of complete right now?
  3. Andrey Chistyakov 20 January 2020 07: 16 New
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    What else remains for them? Only hope. About Russia just do not write. This article is about Ukraine.
    And then, as usual, comments will go on a different topic.
    1. Stas157 20 January 2020 08: 15 New
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      Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
      Do not write about Russia. This article is about Ukraine.

      And what, a lot of frightening parallels? Understand. Leavened "patriots" do not want to hear about this.
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      2. Andrey Chistyakov 21 January 2020 09: 30 New
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        Quote: Stas157
        Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
        Do not write about Russia. This article is about Ukraine.

        And what, a lot of frightening parallels? Understand. Leavened "patriots" do not want to hear about this.

        For the slow-witted again. Article about Ukraine.
  4. bober1982 20 January 2020 07: 23 New
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    What kind of growth of the Ukrainian economy can we talk about if, according to the local prime minister himself, he does not understand anything in the economy (but I'm not a layman, his words), and from his own words - the president there has fog and emptiness in his head (but I'm not a sucker, this is the president’s words)
    All this is not serious.
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    As the saying goes: "Wrong input data."
    Or is the global economy in decline ???
    1. The popuas 20 January 2020 07: 43 New
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      Negative growth is also growth wassat
  6. ANB
    ANB 20 January 2020 07: 32 New
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    , it is important who and how
    . :) And with the excess of GDP over 3%, Ukraine intensively pays debts in accordance with the restructuring agreement.
    1. Air force 20 January 2020 08: 19 New
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      In, he also thought so, they would draw the specially needed digits for them, lower the typical plinth, lower them below the plinth, and then, by pumping money (services), bring over 3% of GDP growth and, according to the enslaving agreement with the IMF, collect debt with a large percentage , but first push through the law on the sale of land, and take the land as a higher percentage, as they say, we take not in money, but in kind. Just the land during this time will cost a penny for TNCs, but prohibitively expensive for local farmers. And on TV I’ll once again get rid of it, the GDP is growing, including due to land privatization. "People hawala" all the more so besides such news, "people" and "hawking" then especially soon there will be nothing.
  7. Thrifty 20 January 2020 07: 41 New
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    So, fairy tales were invented to tell them! Why is there such a small growth in GDP? What is not immediately 5 percent per quarter minimum? ??
    1. rocket757 20 January 2020 07: 50 New
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      Quote: Thrifty
      What is not immediately 5 percent per quarter minimum

      Doesn't roll ... i.e. ukrzaliznytsya does not roll, and it will be a little expensive to take out a fellow countryman !!! German, i.e. the fascist experience does not disappear in vain, they, figs at him, at Nuremberg, when it smelled of such profits.
      1. bober1982 20 January 2020 07: 59 New
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        Quote: rocket757
        when such a profit smelled.

        In the form that the Ukrainian government now has - they have no chance to rectify the situation.
        1/3 of the government are actors from Quarter1/3 of the government - pigletsthat according to Goncharuk,shook the economy1/3 of the government is Kolomoisky’s support group, that is, personal benefits, nothing more. The situation is hopeless. To begin with, it is necessary to put things in order in the Offices themselves, I mean wiretaps, everyone is lazy to listen and record conversations.
        1. rocket757 20 January 2020 08: 09 New
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          Quote: bober1982
          In the form that the Ukrainian government now has - they have no chance to rectify the situation.

          The question is, do they have a goal to straighten something ... another question, in which direction will they "straighten"?
          1. bober1982 20 January 2020 08: 11 New
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            Quote: rocket757
            which way will they "straighten"?

            Whose will take, either Kolomoisky, or Soros
          2. major147 20 January 2020 12: 08 New
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            How actively hohlolobby on VO minus! Penetrated them means the soul rejoices!
            1. rocket757 20 January 2020 12: 13 New
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              Quote: major147
              How actively hohlolobby on VO minus! Penetrated them means the soul rejoices!

              Wow, they don’t miss their temki.
        2. atalef 20 January 2020 08: 11 New
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          Quote: bober1982
          In the form that the Ukrainian government now has - they have no chance to rectify the situation.

          Of course not.
          Ukraine was supposed to fall apart 5 years ago.
          Quote: bober1982
          Hopeless situation

          Yes Yes.
          1. bober1982 20 January 2020 08: 13 New
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            Quote: atalef
            Hopeless situation

            Quote: atalef
            Yes Yes.

            And, I have the same opinion.
  8. Basarev 20 January 2020 07: 57 New
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    I see no reason to laugh. They themselves are not better. We would first have to fix our economy before making fun of Khlamina. Our prices too are growing terribly, and there is black employment.
    1. rocket757 20 January 2020 08: 12 New
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      We have a complete neighborhood kit. It’s just that the people are not so bored, the country is bigger, more powerful, richer in resources, it was not possible to squander it quickly.
      But the theme proposed by the neighbor .....
  9. evgen1221 20 January 2020 07: 58 New
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    Well, of course, there will be rapid growth - if you first destroy the only plant in the country, having built another 100% growth, there is nowhere steeper.
    1. bessmertniy 20 January 2020 08: 12 New
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      And what did they build there !? Something is not heard about the introduction of new enterprises. On the contrary, there are reports that something is closing there or is reducing production. repeat The Ukrainian economy is growing not in production but in prices, but such growth leads to further impoverishment of people.
  10. Pessimist22 20 January 2020 08: 01 New
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    When it comes to the brothers that “12 chairs” and “Golden Calf” are not textbooks on economics, but fiction smile
    1. atalef 20 January 2020 08: 12 New
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      When it comes to the brothers that “12 chairs” and “Golden Calf” are not textbooks on economics, but fiction

      Are you sure that in Russia they know the same thing?
      1. major147 20 January 2020 12: 13 New
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        Are you sure that in Russia they know the same thing?

        I think they know.
        7 giant factories that are now being built in Russia.
        1. Amur Gas Processing Plant - 790 billion rubles
        2. Zapsibneftkhim - 650 billion rubles
        3. Arctic LNG-2 - 600 billion rubles
        4. Yamal LNG (4th district) - about 300 billion rubles
        5. Novatek Shipyard in Belokamenka (CSKMS, formerly known as Kola Shipyard) - 120 billion rubles
        6. Taishet aluminum smelter - 120 billion rubles
        7. Shipbuilding complex Zvezda (Primorsky Territory, Bolshoi Kamen Bay) - 117 billion rubles
        1. Mordvin 3 20 January 2020 12: 22 New
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          7 giant factories that are now being built in Russia.

          Just everything for the development of a raw materials appendage.
          1. Vadim237 20 January 2020 13: 47 New
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            Without raw materials and energy there will be no production - Europe sits on our raw material and energy needle and even in the most distant future will not come down. And the demand for non-primary products other than CX is not very constant due to the huge number of manufacturers both on the external and domestic markets, the share of non-primary products in Russian exports for 2018 is $ 125 billion, they plan to increase it to $ 250 billion in the 2024th.
            1. karabass 20 January 2020 13: 58 New
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              All Russians would love to sit since Europe! European rulers think more about people and not hell knows what!
            2. Mordvin 3 20 January 2020 14: 28 New
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              Quote: Vadim237
              Without raw materials and energy there will be no production - Europe sits on our raw material and energy needle and even in the most distant future will not come down.

              Europe will have a softer climate, but we are forced to push domestic prices to world prices.
    2. Avior 20 January 2020 09: 19 New
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      About Dunno on the moon forgot. This is exactly where post-Soviet reality is described there. And not only in Ukraine.
      1. Moon 20 January 2020 09: 38 New
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        About Dunno on the moon forgot

        Dunno is generally a negative character. The overthrower building.
        And here’s the Donut .. (the book itself is the best of all Dunno, although it’s also interesting in Solnechny)
        But the main benefit is still Chipollino
        1. Avior 20 January 2020 09: 45 New
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          Cipollino too. Tax Office Handbook smile
          1. atalef 20 January 2020 11: 24 New
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            Quote: Avior
            Cipollino too. Tax Office Handbook

            by the way the first line of Chippolino
            * All honest people are in prison * --- laughing
        2. evgen1221 20 January 2020 09: 45 New
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          Chippolino forever! As a child, I watched this cartoon, now I live in it :-(
  11. bober1982 20 January 2020 08: 54 New
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    Now, let’s take Nadia Savchenko, why now she is so hysterical and screaming against the current economic course, and all because she understands where all these economic tricks of the local government will lead.
    She can be trusted, she is kind of - "blessed blessed", she knows what she says.
    1. Avior 20 January 2020 09: 41 New
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      It’s better not to take it at all in any capacity, much less an “expert”, except perhaps as an illustration of the great stupidity of Poroshenko and Tymoshenko, who untwisted and steamed it in full, and then they themselves did not know what to do with “this” .....
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        It’s better not to take it in any capacity at all, except as an illustration of the stupidity of Poroshenko and Tymoshenko

        I would not say that she is stupid, unrestrained and says what she thinks.
        And, the local crowd was jubilant at the airport at the meeting, by the way here on the site they were very indignant that they had let go, and why was there to be indignant if d @ ru were released?
        1. Avior 20 January 2020 09: 53 New
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          Yes, on the part of the Russian authorities it was a smart move and very subtle.
          When they let go, no one knew, here they were in full swing that they were letting go, on Ukrainian sites, they weren't letting go.
          Then the situation changed exactly 180 degrees smile
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            Then the situation changed exactly 180 degrees

            This is when the crowd goes from one state of mass psychosis to another, and this is what we have, what others have. Nothing new.
        2. Egoza 20 January 2020 18: 55 New
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          I would not say that she is stupid, unrestrained and says what she thinks.

          The fact is that she was VERY well ideologically crafted, and really ready to act as hero, but when she sat in the Rada .... she saw everything from the inside .... this was a strong blow for her. And now it’s “everyone is afraid”
  12. Avior 20 January 2020 09: 15 New
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    Honestly, I never understood when the level is determined by GDP growth or the number of factories built.
    As if all the strategists of the world macro-level level for discussion, the smaller categories do not agree to argue.
    In my opinion, for an ordinary person, an increase in wages and incomes is much more important for evaluation than an increase in the number of factories built, which constantly pops up.
    What is the use of built factories if, for example, salaries have fallen?
    Rejoice for the owners of the newly built plant that its income has grown?
    I’m in my opinion, there are other important criteria, for example, the average salary expressed in dollars (in itself in local money is not very informative, the local currency rate does not take into account) - it will show the possibilities for people to buy goods of foreign or with a high percentage of foreign manufacture, that is, enough expensive or high-tech, real incomes of the population — that is, the ratio of the salary in local money to the inflation index — will show the ability of the people to buy goods and services of local manufacture, the ratio of the salary to the cost of the consumer basket and the minimum wage will show the real standard of living of the poorest people with low incomes, ratios salaries by region and industry, as well as the ratio of the minimum wage to the average salary - this criterion will show how much the “average” salary is actually average, or it is like the average temperature in a hospital and so on
    These things will actually show where life is, and not GDP per se, or the number of newly built factories
    hi
    1. evgen1221 20 January 2020 09: 59 New
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      True, but there are also nuances. Something like orientation to the domestic market and the quality of this product manufactured at a factory inside the country and not for export for the country, plus the desire to do it all. Take China as an example, they started by copying everything and only to replace imported goods, at first it turned out to be a neyss, but over time they completely saturated their market with full analogs of foreign goods and gradually switched to importing consumer goods of awesome quality and prices precisely because of the factories that could saturate the country the demand for their goods in the first place, but there are many who like to save in the world of online trading. The only question is that in the 90s and beyond it prevents Russia from going the same way, energy carriers? It's ridiculous, they are all their own. Half-country people are unemployed and have odd jobs. All that remains is a reluctance to work in the domestic market, but only in foreign countries, which is constantly manifested in business with phrases — we need to sell something good abroad. And what is there no demand inside the country at all?
  13. Moon 20 January 2020 09: 50 New
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    extremely weak article with incorrect data for humor more than analysts
    And if we take into account that after the Maidan coup, Ukraine’s GDP, according to the most minimal estimates, collapsed by at least 2013-15% compared to the last relatively calm year 16, then it’s clear that there are more than enough prospects for “growth”.

    critical for Ukraine was 2015. Then there was a peak.
    7% more gas than in the previous year (respectively, and transit fees increased), and some others

    trifles for the country. Payment even if 2-3 billion then 7% growth would not have saved.

    The clearest and most understandable example is potatoes, the price of which in the “non-winter” autumn reached a dollar per kilogram!

    Of course the brightest. Local was disadvantageous-imported imports.
    The cost today is 15 UAH. Last year, it was in January-12 UAH
    it
    the price of which in the “unplanned” fall reached the dollar per kilogram! Now it has decreased slightly, but still exceeds the last year three-four times.

    the dollar was 26-25 .. at that price only yam but it is more exclusive.
    the main thing is to create horrors ...
    What can I say, if the cost of a pack of cigarettes (domestic producer) over the past 5 years has increased 20 times in Ukraine! And this is solely due to an increase in excise duty

    this is generally a masterpiece ..
    now a pack of 40-50 UAH (not the cheapest), but if it is 20 times, then last year they cost 2 UAH ??????????
    You marvel at it. Miracles.
    In Ukraine, they are always restrained about growth. There are enough problems with growth and inflation and revaluation.
  14. Ros 56 20 January 2020 10: 29 New
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    This is what they thump in the West, and when will growth begin before the sale or after the sale of land?
  15. Jarserge 20 January 2020 10: 50 New
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    How tall? !!! Where? Groysman somehow reported on the opening of 176 new enterprises, it turned out it was biogas stations near farms for processing shit into energy. Only here a small "BUT" unprofitable is not promising .... But otherwise, the plants are falling apart, reducing production, people are fleeing abroad. Where to get growth? Only on paper
  16. Xenofont 20 January 2020 12: 42 New
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    The only way to boost the economy, apparently, is to legalize organ trade, drugs and prostitution. Then they will panapan ... Other, from the realm of fantasy.
  17. ZaharoFF 20 January 2020 13: 55 New
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    They grow inward. lol
    And so I completely agree with the author - the drawn figures, stupid forecasts, a little more, a little more - somewhere we have already seen and heard this ...
  18. parusnik 20 January 2020 14: 46 New
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    This is always the case, especially in the post-Soviet space, from the beginning they will strip people, and then they promise him economic growth .... for his money ... Poland, with the exception of the exception, but the economy is poured with Western investments, they make a beautiful face in the post-Soviet space ...
  19. ficus2003 20 January 2020 18: 06 New
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    But 2.9 billion dollars from Russia is also money. And apparently, if some EU court still decides something, Gazprom will pay again. So not everything is so bad.
    1. Egoza 20 January 2020 18: 57 New
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      And apparently, if some EU court still decides something, Gazprom will pay again. So not everything is so bad.

      Oh yeah! Gazprom will pay, but Naftogaz will cut everything for prizes. There, it seems like Ze is already raising a question about these awards.
  20. Askan 20 January 2020 18: 50 New
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    Quote: bistrov.

    Sometimes it’s useful for the economy, just the cheap national currency, in particular, as happened in Russia, the money supply has increased, there’s nowhere to go, all expenses are financed, and the accounts are still full of money,


    And the income of Russians according to the Federal State Statistics Service is falling and does not think to stop. Yes, and 50% receives less than the average salary. According to the same Rosstat :)
    https://www.gazeta.ru/business/2019/07/18/12508159.shtml

    In fact, a shame, the country is bursting with money, and sales of the same shoes fell by 4% in 2019.

    Quote: bistrov.
    foreign exchange reserves are growing again, which is what your "independent" did not even dream of, hehe ...

    Gold and foreign exchange reserves of Ukraine (million dollars):
    2011 - 31 794
    2012 - 24 546
    2013 - 20 415
    2014 - 7 533
    2017 - 18 808
    2018 - 20 820
    For 2019, the data will be scattered. From 22 to 25 billion.
    Quote: bistrov.

    so, I think, the Russians have nothing to be offended by, in all indicators, the standard of living of Russians is already 2,5 times higher than the “Central European”.


    But only in MSCs and St. Petersburg. In some sort of horror, Arkhangelsk, I myself was there, and there is nothing to compare.
  21. ficus2003 20 January 2020 19: 25 New
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    Quote: ficus2003
    And apparently, if some EU court still decides something, Gazprom will pay again. So not everything is so bad.

    Oh yeah! Gazprom will pay, but Naftogaz will cut everything for prizes. There, it seems like Ze is already raising a question about these awards.

    80% will be stolen, and 20% will be allowed to do something useful. Plus, they have already filed a lawsuit for several billion dollars more and I’m sure that they will continue to file lawsuits because NATO countries are on their side and Gazprom agrees to pay. Until Russia comes to a zealous confrontation, this song will be eternal because you can always come up with a reason for a new lawsuit.
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    "Yes, and in the most" non-fallow "in a variety of official reports and reports are drawn such tempting figures that you wonder." - We will draw and we will live happily! For draftsmen do not worry, their well-being growth is guaranteed!
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  24. Tarasios 24 January 2020 19: 49 New
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    "all of them literally vying promise Kiev in the near future GDP growth of 3% or higher. Analysts at Credit Suisse broke all optimism in this matter, saying that in the next couple of years, Ukraine’s GDP will increase by more than 4% per year! This above the global average. "

    Nothing new:
    In the capital of this king lived a lot of fun; almost every day foreign guests came, and now two deceivers appeared. They pretended to be weavers and said that they could make such a wonderful fabric that you couldn’t imagine anything better: besides an unusually beautiful pattern and colors, it also has an amazing property - to become invisible to any person who is out of place or impenetrably stupid .
    - God, how's it going! How wonderful it sits! - whispered in the retinue. - What a pattern, what a paint! Luxurious dress! "