In Germany, announced the goal of Merkel to prevent "Russian triumph" in Libya

The main task of the conference on Libya, which is being held in Berlin today, German Chancellor Angela Merkel considers not allowing Syrian scenario in Libyan territory, where Russia has become a decisive force in the settlement. This writes Die Welt.

If the negotiators really agree not to support one of the conflicting parties in Libya, this will be a huge success for Angela Merkel and the most significant foreign policy achievement of Germany since the deal on refugees with Turkey was concluded in 2016, the newspaper writes.

So far, the main provision in the draft statement on the situation in Libya is the following:

We commit ourselves not to interfere in the armed conflict and internal affairs of Libya and call on the rest of the world players to do the same

Currently, the situation is such that the Government of National Accord Faiz Sarraj is supported by Italy, Qatar and Turkey, and the Libyan National Army of Khalifa Haftar is supported by Russia, France, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and the UAE.

According to the publication, Merkel wants to avoid a repeat of “Russian triumph” in Libya following the example of the situation in Syria, where Russia plays a decisive role in resolving the conflict.

Germany will hold an international conference on the settlement of the situation in Libya on January 19 in Berlin. In addition to representatives of the warring Libyan parties, representatives are expected to participate, including at the level of heads of state, Russia, Algeria, Great Britain, Egypt, the United Arab Emirates, China, the USA, Turkey, and France. From Russia, President Vladimir Putin will participate in the conference, the US will be presented by the head of the State Department, Mike Pompeo.

Comments

[Victor_B]

Yeah ...
If Russia can also restore order in Libya ...
This zhzhzhzh generally no way!
Well, generally not acceptable!

[ltc35]

And in Libya, what is the interest of Russia? Maybe someone will enlighten.

[Victor_B]

Quote: ltc35

And in Libya, what is the interest of Russia? Maybe someone will enlighten.

And nobody told you that Russia is a CAPITALIST country?
What the domestic market of Russia can not provide economic growth?
ONLY EXTERNAL MARKETS!
And there it is very crowded! Competition!
It is necessary to CONQUER these very markets. Preferably without war. And so there how to get ...

[Siberian 66]

That's absolutely true! Just why, after our military, Chinese business comes into Syria with significant investments ... The feeling that managers want to miss this opportunity to gain a foothold there for a very long time and receive dividends from a military and political victory there

[Victor_B]

Quote: Sibiryak 66

Just why, after our military, Chinese business enters Syria

Because our government acts in the interests of ONLY oil and gas companies, the Chinese are generally in all areas.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Sibiryak 66

Just why, after our military, Chinese business comes into Syria with significant investments

They include those who have free money, those who are well-versed in business, those who are good at keeping the blow of competition.

[alexmach]

Just why, after our military, Chinese business comes into Syria with significant investments ...

Because there is someone and with what to come in.

[Alekseev]

Quote: Victor_B

What is the interest of Russia? Maybe someone will enlighten.

Here the comrades have already correctly explained something.
In Libya, as in Syria, you need influence., but not the salvation of some individual political friends, etc.
What does the Russian Federation need to be able to influence?
For hydrocarbon prices. If only our "partners" influence them, they will force the sheikhs to sell a barrel for $ 5 and even kiss them a pen for it.
Further markets for goods and services. And here you need influence, otherwise the nail will not be sold in this region, not to mention large projects. In Europe and other Western democracies there, we will not be allowed to sell high-tech products, even if there will be a lot of them and they will be of high quality and cheap. A case in point is Volkswagen USA, a trade war with China, etc., etc.
And fundamentalist terrorists should not be forgotten. For, from where they prevailed, they spread to other places, including the Russian regions.
Well, in short, why do you need influence, including in Libya.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Alekseev

In Libya, as in Syria, you need influence. But not at all the salvation of some individual political friends, etc.

But when you explain this to those who say that the first thing we are fighting for is the Motherland, they start to boil saliva very much. It is clear that from a military point of view, there is a place to protect our Caucasus, but ... the main task is hydrocarbons in that region and control the movement of these very hydrocarbons to Europe, Asia and the USA.
The Saudis, with their prices dictated to them by the United States, were like a bone in the throat for Gazprom. And now the Kremlin has decided to finally solve this problem by taking control of hydrocarbon flows in that region.
As for Libya ... then it has the largest hydrocarbon reserves in Africa, for a minute. And I think that after Syria, a fight will begin for Libyan oil and gas between China, the Russian Federation and the USA.

[mark1]

Quote: Victor_B

What the domestic market of Russia can not provide economic growth?
ONLY EXTERNAL MARKETS!

Well yes, yes! US economic growth depends on the domestic market and ours too ...- depends on the US domestic market! This is not capitalism (and not even capitalism) - it is CREETINISM!

[Victor_B]

Quote: mark1

US economic growth depends on domestic market

Chavooooo?
Do not tell my slippers!
Without a foreign market, the states will KILL!

[mark1]

Do not confuse with China (although it has already begun to pay more attention to the domestic market)
The United States rose as an economic power significantly at the expense of the domestic market. Not a single state except us and "bananas" is giving up its domestic markets.
Give slippers a sedative ...

[orionvitt]

Quote: Victor_B

Without a foreign market, the states will KILL!

Those days are long over. States in our time buy more and produce little. The main export commodity of the USA is dollars. The most liquid thing. Why produce anything else if China will do everything cheaper and faster. Tell me, if you were printing money, would you be rich? That's all the economic success of the states after the 70s. America has long since turned from a real industrial power into a bloated financial one. But on some pieces of paper and zeroes in the computer, without the real sector (in the US economy, the real sector is 12%), one can only come to a dead end. We are waiting for the next "Black Thursday". For which Gaddafi was killed, encroached on the dollar.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: orionvitt

States nowadays buy more and produce little. The main export product of the USA is dollars. The most liquid thing.

Absolutely to the point!
I remembered for some reason:

Give me control over the release of money in the state, and I do not care who will write its laws.

Mayer Rothschild

Only the modest Mayer talked about the state, and today "the kindest democratizers of everything and everyone spread their tentacles to the whole world. That Bretton Wood was imposed on the bleeding world, that the Jamaican system - because the Politburo then thought more about pills and an enema before bedtime," than about global finance ...

Finish in FIG must be with that Jamaica. Then we’ll see if America can produce anything other than dollars.
How is the classic?

“I’ll buy everything,” said Zlato.
“Don’t drive,” said Bulat.

[Ge⁣⁣⁣o]

Quote: orionvitt

States today buy more and produce little

They produce a lot of that. Only outside the country. Epl, Nike, and further down the list are in China, but these are factories from US companies, not Chinese. The need for a cheap slave. force dictates its own rules.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Ge⁣⁣⁣o

Only outside the country

Excellent. Foreign workers are paid, taxes are paid in another country, and the industrial and social infrastructure of other states is increased. Just wonderful. And they turned their country into a reserve of lawyers, financiers and insurance companies. But these do not produce anything, except for "soap bubbles", in the form of so-called "services". There is an obvious bias not in favor of the United States. I think that Trump is spinning like a skillet, "let's make America great again", "let's bring the industry back." It’s already hot, the dead end is not far off. There is no capitalism without crises that are sewn into the very structure of capitalist management.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Victor_B

What the domestic market of Russia can not provide economic growth?

Why did you decide that? Not. Of course, if we consider our country only as a raw material power, then you are certainly right. But if you look from the point of view of the saturation of the economy with domestic products, then you are absolutely wrong. Because the domestic market is 90% occupied by imports. Those. the domestic market is not a tillage field.

[dauria]

Because the domestic market is 90% occupied by imports. Those. the domestic market is not a tillage field.

In Austria and Switzerland too. And they are not going to do everything, everything from coal, metal, a screw to an airplane and a space rocket at home.
The most ancient way to reduce the cost of production is the division of labor. Manufactory. But this requires a certain minimum amount of population. The same domestic market. In a village of 5 yards, a blacksmith, a miller, a pop, a doctor will not be able to feed. But in the village it can already.
So, you can build a concrete fence around the country. But modern estimates say that in order to keep up with labor productivity (and therefore in everything else - from the standard of living to the armed forces and defense capabilities), 300 million people are needed. Here is such a "village". Whether we like it or not, we will have to participate in the international division of labor. On what terms is a question for the government and economists.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: dauria

Whether we want it or not, we will have to participate in the international division of labor.

Alexei agrees, but only to PARTICIPATE, and not to be a raw materials appendage and market. Those. some part should be produced here, and income from the sale of resources should be perceived as a pleasant bonus, and not the main part of budget income.

[Ge⁣⁣⁣o]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Why did you decide that?

I know that the majority (okay - a very large part) of successful high-tech startups at the initial stage of growth wave their hand to their native birches, considering it more advisable to develop in conditions of orders of magnitude greater demand.
And then we sit and discuss that we can only produce resources.
In IT, of course, not everything is so sad (the Gref and Co. today provide a strong domestic demand for IT, for example), but in production - that's just it.

[Zaurbek]

I completely agree ... without drooling and only business.

[cniza]

That there would be no war and a hotbed of militant Islam, as well as hydrocarbons and their paths to Europe.

[Machito]

So that there is no war in cities and villages,
Invite you to Kazachkov cheerful

[SRC P-15]

We commit ourselves not to interfere in the armed conflict and internal affairs of Libya and call on the rest of the world players to do the same

You would be better off taking these obligations with live Gaddafi! Then now there would be no question of restoring order in Libya. And Russia has the full moral right to resolve the situation in this country. Unlike some, Russia agreed only on a no-fly zone.

[askort154]

SRTs P-15 ....Russia agreed only to the no-fly zone.

Medvedev (then president) agreed, despite Lavrov's persuasion, not to do this. On this basis, they strongly "disagreed", time has shown that Lavrov was right. Prime Minister Putin was on Lavrov's side, but did not
belittle Dima’s presidential ambitions. Later, the same Dima also terminated the contract for the supply of S-300 to Iran.

[Siberian 66]

Do you believe in Medvedev’s independence as president?

[askort154]

Sibiryak 66 ..... Do you believe in the independence of Medvedev as president?

GDP sometimes lengthened his "leash". In this case, it was very weak.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: askort154

GDP sometimes lengthened his "leash". In this case, it was very weak.

It has long been known that the nano-President was a technical figure. They planted a stool to warm, so that they would not be stolen for 4 years. He was sitting, playing an iPhone. And all the time to keep on a short leash - still furious with fear, breaks firewood ...
For example, I remembered him only by the fact that when I was a kid in Soviet times, at 11 pm at the end of June there were still thick, but twilight. And now at half-past ten it’s night. Dali steer - he taxied with time zones ...
And I also remember how our "great financier" (further obscene) Kudrin said in response to some order from the nano-President that I, like, need to consult with the Prime Minister, and you just sit and think about what you said. To which even the patient VVP (how many years Chubais and the Higher School of Economics endure!) Could not stand it and kicked Kudrin out. True, unfortunately, the opal passed, and with it the royal favor returned ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

You would be better off taking these obligations with live Gaddafi! Then now there would be no question of restoring order in Libya.

Europe quickly forgot how it destroyed Kadafi and Libya, and now they are beginning to wave their wings.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

You would be better off taking these obligations with live Gaddafi!

If they are all so wise there in the West, so let them try and put things in order. And then for now not a single positive example. Wherever the coalition led by the Main Democrats snooped their pigs, there is traditionally a mess, Al Qaeda and ISIS.

And Germany would sit in a corner and blow her nose silently into a handkerchief - have you forgotten the 45th? Any other question - for God's sake! We do not remember evil, we write it down. But on the issue of direct or indirect military confrontation with Russia !!!! ... And the "Syrian scenario" presupposes just that. Is that in Vietnam and Korea, American pilots and our men personally jammed each other, and starting from Afghanistan America shoots at us with someone else's hands.

[PalBor]

Yes, as usual. Cheap oil, the cost is lower than in Saudi Arabia, and Rosneft is already working there; the ports of Libya are the gateway between Africa and Europe, there, with proper management, there can be such turnovers (again, control over refugee flows - pressure on Europe); Haftar is ready to massively purchase Russian weapons + agrees to build a Russian military base in eastern Libya; you can put a byaka on the Americans who nursed Saraj, and even to Saraj himself, otherwise the news comes that he is sending tankers with oil to Odessa, look! Something like this.

[Egor53]

"And in Libya, what is Russia's interest? Maybe someone will enlighten."

Enlighten. In international relations, Russia's interests are reduced to increasing its own influence, and to reducing the influence of the United States and the EU. The worse it is for the USA, the better it will be for us.

[To be or not to be]

Everything is old as this world - The smell of oil ..
Before the destruction of Gaddafi and Libya, Germany received 11 percent of the total oil from LIVIA. And did not support and did not participate in the NATO and US war in Libya. She wants to strengthen her influence in Libya and the Arab region again and create competition for Russian supplies to Germany from the Middle East ...
NATALIA MEDEN | 23.10.2011 | EXPERT OPINION - "Libyan Oil and Germany"
https://www.fondsk.ru/news/2011/10/23/livijskaja-neft-i-germanija-10912.html
Another reason is Livia African barrier between Africa and Europe. The war broke it. and flowed ....

[orionvitt]

Quote: ltc35

And in Libya, what is the interest of Russia? Maybe someone will enlighten.

Do you know what globalization is? This is when the globe became so small and everyone, everywhere, has their own interest. More-less. Are you offering Russia to lock itself within the framework of the "Moscow principality"?

[businessv]

Quote: ltc35

And in Libya, what is the interest of Russia? Maybe someone will enlighten.

Russia is restoring ties with African countries, with which the Union had good relations, hence participation in the negotiations. And then, any stick in the wheel of the "sowers of democracy" is already a plus!

[LMN]

In Libya, we have interests, however, as in other parts of the planet
I understand that the Federal Republic of Germany voluntarily assumed responsibility for resolving the situation in Syria, with the consent of the Russian Federation. God help!
It will be a lot for us, if still Libya ..
And Germany will consult with us, and partially do the work for us.

[NEXUS]

Quote: ltc35

And in Libya, what is the interest of Russia? Maybe someone will enlighten.

There are the largest hydrocarbon reserves in Africa.

[Wolverine]

Quote: ltc35

And in Libya, what is the interest of Russia? Maybe someone will enlighten.

The interests are simple, a military base on the coast of Libya and control over the Mediterranean, I don’t want to trade, only you and I won’t get into this pocket. So then I am not against 1000 pcs of greens every month that would drip as an allowance for emotional distress for Libya.

[ltc35]

He asked, and kind people stuck minuses for the question

[Ge⁣⁣⁣o]

Quote: ltc35

And in Libya, what is the interest of Russia? Maybe someone will enlighten

Tobruk and Benghazi. Plus energy.

[major147]

Quote: Victor_B

If Russia can also restore order in Libya ...

In vain did they kill Muammar !?

[smart ass]

When will I hear about the Russian triumph in the economy

[Victor_B]

Quote: Clever man

When will I hear about the Russian triumph in the economy

You will be announced on October 27, 2033.
Wait!

[orionvitt]

Quote: Clever man

When will I hear about the Russian triumph in the economy

You never. For you personally, everything will always be bad. Judging by your comments.

[Dmitry Donskoy]

I think that the German newspaper printed a gag. Firstly, this is not an interview with Merkel, but only speculation. For the same reason, she flew to Moscow urgently before the Berlin discussion. On the contrary, I ask Moscow to head a mess in Libya.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Dmitry Donskoy

It seems the other way around, asking Moscow to lead a mess in Libya

Maybe vice versa order in Libya?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: orionvitt

For you personally, everything will always be bad

Is everything all right for you, beautiful marquise? What percentage of domestic things do you personally have at home? Probably even Chinese underpants, and you stick out all your chest.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Probably even Chinese underpants, but you stick out all your chest

If it's all about underpants, then it's understandable. You can safely "heap" your chest. And whine on. Question on filling, and your favorite and reputable states, there are cowards not chinese? At least something from consumer goods (and not only), not Chinese-made. They even have the symbol of America, cowboy saddles and hats, have long been made in China.

[Yura]

Quote: orionvitt

They even have the symbol of America, cowboy saddles and hats, have long been made in China.

By the way (and moderators will forgive me, I will be very careful in terms) so very often in American films and when they are on vacation on the beaches and when they are at home, people of both sexes often walk around in shorts with the colors of the US flag, that is, with what they shit and what they fight and what they fight, it’s covered with the banner of the state, that is, the American symbol is soiled, and the Chinese sew it all to them, I do not care about the Chinese, I urgently need to put all of Russia in Chinese underpants sewn from the US flag.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: orionvitt

are there any panties not chinese?

Personally, yes, domestic, my mother sewed.
And it’s absolutely not a matter of cowards, it’s a pity that sarcasm did not reach you. But you'd better not stick a finger at pendos - they have all the scientific and technical base in the USA. Only production is carried out. And we have no development, no production. Only the defense industry can boast of something, and that part of the electronics is still ordered in China.

[Sergey39]

Germany is never suitable for this role, since it itself is a protectorate of another country. It can only get puffed up, to no avail.

[ltc35]

For refugees in 2016 success? They donated money to the Turks, so that they kept them on the border and that’s all. Success!

[Sergey39]

This is the internal affair of Germany. And where is the success? Germany is crammed with refugees above the roof.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Sergey39

This is the internal affair of Germany. And where is the success? Germany is crammed with refugees above the roof.

That's right, well, Germany loves these refugees, the time when they did not like refugees is gone.

[kjhg]

But is that not a success? The uncontrolled flow of migrants to Europe has stopped.

[Kleber]

Quote: kjhg

The uncontrolled flow of migrants to Europe has stopped.

The flow did not stop, but decreased. But he remained uncontrollable as before.

[cniza]

They prefer to keep quiet about it ...

[cniza]

We commit ourselves not to interfere in the armed conflict and internal affairs of Libya and call on the rest of the world players to do the same

Well settled down, at first they ruined the state, unleashed a civil war, and now a hut from the edge.

[rocket757]

Trump's statement that they dump them from there (again and again) can be evaluated in different ways, but to attribute to them the role of peacekeepers, this has not happened for a long time.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: cniza

Well settled down, at first they ruined the state, unleashed a civil war, and now the hut from the edge

Peacekeepers !!!

[Ross xnumx]

The main task of the conference on Libya, which is being held in Berlin today, German Chancellor Angela Merkel considers not to allow the "Syrian scenario" on Libyan territory, where Russia has become the decisive force in the settlement.

And the conference does not aim to determine the forces and means that made it possible to destroy the statehood of Libya, to kill its ruler and "attach feet" to Libyan money?
Afraid of a possible Russian military base and increased Russian influence in the region?
There are more questions for Russia - does it really need the Libyan partnership or enough existing partners to deal closely with internal problems ...

[rocket757]

Different opinions ... the fact that the Bundes Frau wants to increase its political weight is obvious! At whose expense? But this can be estimated differently.

[businessv]

Quote: rocket757

Different opinions ... the fact that the Bundes Frau wants to increase its political weight is obvious!

It is not clear for what purpose? After all, she announced her non-participation in the next election!

[rocket757]

Suppose ... suppose he wants to leave a "solid political legacy"!
Helmut Kohl united the two Germany, the "grandmother of all Germany" returned her world political "weight"!
I didn’t come up with it, I just heard that opinion.

[businessv]

Quote: rocket757

Helmut Kohl united the two Germany, the "grandmother of all Germany" returned her world political "weight"!

Well, rather, Helmut Kohl was just lucky to be present at this event, but it is difficult to talk about political weight after the "grandmother" so clearly sagged in front of the mattresses that it was even uncomfortable for her. I think that it could achieve much more weight if it signed a collective security treaty with Russia, letting NATO on its side!

[rocket757]

Quote: businessv

I think that it could have achieved much more weight if it had concluded a collective security treaty with Russia, putting NATO on its side!

Should we be sad !!!
All the same, she is a politician of the Western bloc and the party mainstream there precisely for their "values", they do not fit in with ours in any way. And in party affairs, she and her allies are not doing very well ... so sho take away the diplomatic, peacemaking palm, from the French, for example, it would be desirable for her !!! This can improve party affairs, since they cannot arrange a small victorious war!
something like this. This is what I heard. Food for thought.

[Tank jacket]

Merkel caught herself late. Russia in Libya has already reached a triumph ...

[shinobi]

Apparently in Libya, they have a complete failure

[Ham]

The housekeeper will not pull ... grandmother already faints, what kind of Libya is she

[knn54]

German television channel Das Erste: -Merkel is time to put on Putin.

[Svetlana]

Quote: ltc35

And in Libya, what is the interest of Russia? Maybe someone will enlighten.

Good question!
There is interest, and it can be answered globally as follows: the more people on the planet trust Russia, the more authority the Russian state has and as a result of this, it is better for all Russians.
..
But in order to gain the authority that was lost with the collapse of the Union, you need to try, which is what Russia is trying to do by "cooling" the hot spots of the planet. They cool down for the benefit of local residents and in defiance of the Americans fanning the fire, weakening the country and making money on this.

[Jarserge]

We are not talking about Libya, the main thing is not to allow "triumph"! We rob Libya and will not let anyone in! It would be if Europe called a spade a spade

[maidan.izrailovich]

... that the Government of National Accord Faiz Sarraj is supported by Italy, Qatar and Turkey, and the Libyan National Army of Khalifa Haftar is supported by Russia, France, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and the UAE ..

Not all countries are listed.
PNS also support the United States. True, they are still in the shadows, but the other day Trump and Erdogan were discussing Libya on the phone. And most likely agreed on a position.
For some reason, Russia is always put on the side of the LNA. Yes, the country's leadership has contacts with Haftar. But it has never been declared his support. On the contrary, it’s always neutral that Russia stands for a peaceful solution to the conflict within Libya. Without any attachment to personalities.

[Thrifty]

Does the old woman need the laurels of the "leader of Europe"? And to resign in disgrace the Merkelsha is not afraid to fly out? ??

[Kleber]

Why are she afraid of dismissal? Not today or tomorrow they will carry their feet forward.

[evgen1221]

Stop the planet, I will step off. The conference on the establishment of peace in Libya is essentially drowning for the continuation of the war, because this is the loot of the military industrial complex and from the sale of left oil plus geopolitics for drawing competitors into the war.

[askort154]

According to the publication, Merkel wants to avoid a repeat of “Russian triumph” in Libya following the example of the situation in Syria, where Russia plays a decisive role in resolving the conflict.

Die Welt's speculations are not serious. Putin and Merkel held a "creative" meeting at which they agreed that a big meeting on BW would be held in Berlin.
If Merkel had such claims that this publication issued, they would not have scheduled a meeting.

[1959ain]

What for do we need to regulate, the more migrants in Germany the better. It’s true that there are no Germans left in Germany either, as in France. And these young German Afro-Germans will be a decisive drive, when the aging Germans and French women cease to satisfy them, trample to Poland and other Europe. And also, the more ships with refugees that ply the Mediterranean, it’s better for Russian oil and gas

[sabakina]

From Russia, President Vladimir Putin will participate in the conference, the US will be represented by the head of the State Department, Mike Pompeo.

Colonel Trump is again on the ballute ... How Putin has appointed such a sick president, I can’t understand ...

[Julius Caesar]

Germany is ready to confront Russia in Libya until the last Libyan ...

[Ros 56]

And what does this grandmother need? Better to duel Trump for SP-2.

[Kerensky]

What can I say ... Soon the refugees will naturalize and (as a united force) will take power. Libyan money has not gone anywhere - it can work in Germany. And this is a good financial fist. Germany is very interested in ending the war, because otherwise there will be no reason to send all this ..... home.

[petrol cutter]

Well, wants / does not want ... What exactly does grandma plan to do?

[Ural resident]

We are in Syria at the invitation of the official government. There it was announced to the whole world that Russia was building its base and was protecting Assad from "terrorists".
And in Libya what? On what grounds will we officially end up there? So far, only our PMC guys are dying for the interests of oil and gas magnates.

[NF68]

Another million refugees settled in Germany and then not only Merkkel, but many others in Germany will be only happy with the successes of Russia and in Libya.

[Ge⁣⁣⁣o]

Merkel wants to avoid a repetition of "Russian triumph" in Libya following the example of the situation in Syria

As far as I understand, Madam Chancellor would like the victory of international terrorists in Syria? Very interesting. Who is here to kiss the Germans recently climbed: "friends forever, their press has warmed up to us, Putin convinced Merkel, etc. etc."?

[COJIDAT]

"We pledge not to interfere in the armed conflict and internal affairs of Libya and call on the rest of the world's players to do the same" - 2011))) Behold the creatures!

[LeonidL]

You are right in Newspeak "we will not intervene means - we can’t get in at the very least!" how could it be otherwise? There, after all, it smells like oil and gas!

[VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK]

Not Merkel, God forgive me. And please Russia and the United States does not substitute.

[LeonidL]

Putin simply threw Merkel a life jacket, as Obama had in his time, and she accepted the gift for a freebie. Putin will be offended by an old Frau and will be in Libya as in Syria. ... However, from clever Putin everything can be expected of simpletons from backward Europe. I won’t be surprised if they crawl into the Libyan swamp with legs and abdomen and tumble there for a long time and helplessly under the narrowed gaze of Putin's cunning eyes.

[sagitch]

Your horse is quietly riding, Mrs Merkel!