So that the candle does not die out!


I was led to sit at the keyboard by an article by the respected author Roman Skomorokhov entitled "Deserted Russia: to whom shall we say thank you?" If Roman considers the demographic situation in Russia as a one-child father, then I will express my point of view from the perspective of the father of four children.


I quote the author:

“The Russian state does absolutely nothing to increase the population of the country. And this despite the fact that it, the state, is vitally interested in this.
Let's face the problem and honestly answer the question: what is the main task of the state and what is the main task of the citizen of this state, naturally, referring to Russia.
The main task of a citizen is to pay taxes. Direct and indirect, income tax, VAT and other small things. Well, it seems to be an option - to grow a replacement for yourself, which / who will also pay taxes all his life. ”

The state is not a thing in itself, not a spherical horse in a vacuum. This is the main mechanism for implementing social needs. In Russia, this is especially true.

With our climate, geography, ethnic diversity, a country can live and develop normally only if there is a strong, financially secure, respected by citizens state that is able to correctly regulate the internal situation, support socially vulnerable layers of society, and guarantee security from external threats.

Sorry, but how to solve all these problems without collecting taxes? Of course, citizens must pay them, but still this is not their main task. The main task of man is to live a worthy life and leave a shift after himself. The task of the state is to contribute in every way to this.

A little bit about yourself. My attitude to the Russian state, or rather, to the authorities, has changed over time. In 1993, I voted against the current constitution. Having not found work in my specialty after graduation in the mid-90s, we decided with my wife (at that time pregnant with my first child) to create our own business. Happened. And for many years we were engaged in our own production. At the same time, a family grew, children were born, a house was built.

They didn’t make capital, production always requires investments, and in small business profit is not gigantic, but I was always sure that I would provide for my family. But around the turn of the decade, the market began to rapidly crush retail chains. Independent retail, and with it the wholesale link, began to quickly disappear. Then came the turn of manufacturers. I had to bow to the network, and there are such conditions that if you have at least minimal profit, rejoice that you are not at a loss.

A very strong blow was dealt by the events of 2014 (for which special thanks to the “non-brothers”), when, due to the currency crisis, imported components in products sharply flew in price, followed by domestic ones, and the networks did not stupidly consider the issue of raising them for several months selling price for our product. Contracts had to be executed even on unfavorable conditions, otherwise you fly out of the network without a chance to return. But banks require payments on loans, and the state - taxes.

In general, three years ago, the business had to leave. It is hard to describe what a shock it was for the family. I constantly felt guilty in front of my wife and children. It is difficult to find a job for a former entrepreneur. The situation in any organization, a person with experience in independent business, can be seen instantly, not every leader likes it, it’s difficult to get used to bending. So it worked for a while as you have to.

At the same time, God rewarded us with good, intelligent children. One after another, they graduated from school with gold medals and, according to the highest exam results, entered the most prestigious Moscow universities. Two older girls left to study at a relatively safe time for us. One already graduated from Baumanka with honors, found a good job, at the same time studying in graduate school, will soon begin to teach. The other will soon graduate from the Sechenov Medical Academy, also goes for a red diploma.

She had a harder time with her third daughter, she is very stubborn, but without tutors a good result in the USE cannot be pulled out, and she additionally taught, in addition to basic subjects and English, also Chinese. But nothing, giving the child the opportunity to get an education is sacred.

Probably saw ads with the services of teams of loaders. I always had several numbers of such employers in my phone. When there was not enough money for tutors, he called and found such a side job. It’s bad that they pay unfairly. An hour of work of a good tutor is equivalent to four hours of unloading a truck. But I don’t get used to it, in my production always male hands and backs were in short supply, so I often had to load.

The daughter did not disappoint, and this year she entered (just do not kick much) at the Higher School of Economics at the most prestigious faculty of the world economy, where she is dean of Karaganov. She is now my agent in the nest of domestic liberalism (a joke). My son is still at school, but also going to study in Moscow, is very interested in the upcoming revolution in engine building.

I was lucky, a year ago, thanks to my education and experience, I was able to find a job in Moscow in the state structure. In the main place I combine two positions, I still work in another organization in the working specialty. I wound on two regions. What is there to do? Family must be pulled.

So I have the opportunity to look at life from different class positions: no longer bourgeois, but who, I myself do not understand. Either I belong to the intellectual stratum, or the proletarian ... Now I have received the first real vacation in my life - I’m thinking.

So, I turn to the main thing. Previously, I didn’t particularly like our government, but who likes to pay taxes and high interest on loans? There is still pension reform. It was especially a shame for his wife. According to old rules, she would retire at 50. And here time - and 63. True, Putin played for women up to 60, and mine, by the presence of four children, will get the right to 56. Well, at least something.

Then he began to think: after all, all my children, thanks to their diligence and our efforts with my wife, honestly, without any blat, have a real opportunity to get an excellent education at the expense of the budget in the best universities of the country. A year and a half ago, I had a quota operation at the federal center for traumatology after I tore my knee ligaments in a martial arts training. If this is not the concern of the social state for its citizens, then what is it?

And in which country is there still maternity capital, which for some reason is taken for granted? And the benefits to young families for young children, introduced last year and supplemented this year?

It is clear that there are always those who do not have enough or no help at all (for example, it is high time for students to raise shameful scholarships). The state mechanism requires continuous improvement. And the state needs children, future taxpayers, but they are much more important to us, parents. Does anyone else know a way to throw their genes into the future? Yes, raising children is difficult, sometimes it seems unbearable. Raising them with people is even more difficult. But who will do this except us?

I'll tell you a recent case. I go into the subway car. Two guys came in front of me, in appearance and dialect he identified the Chechens. They sat down, I stood. One immediately jumped up and invited me to sit down. I say I won’t sit. He did not sit down. I won’t sit down, he answers until you sit down. Then the seats were vacated, I had to sit down, and he immediately sat down. He says that they educate us so that you can’t sit if the eldest is standing. Is this not an example of the upbringing of the young generation? Moreover, domestic.

And finally, my thoughts on possible fertility support. Pension, and more broadly - fiscal policy should aim not only to collect money from the population and business, but also to stimulate processes that are beneficial for society and the state, in particular demographic ones.

It is no secret that families with children, and especially large families, face considerable difficulties. If there is no free grandmother, the mother sits at home with the children, does not work, the father plows several jobs in order to somehow make ends meet. Mom, when she attaches children to school and kindergarten, goes to such work, which will allow more time to devote to her family. Naturally, we cannot talk about any successful career. It is more difficult to earn a substantial pension for large children than for small children. All youth they have to materially limit themselves.

I propose: let the bulk of the pension be formed as it is now. But to provide that part of the pension depended on the amount of income to the pension fund from the children of the pensioner. The result is this: the more children you have and the higher their “white” income, the better and calmer you will live in old age. There will be an incentive for young people to give birth to children, to educate and educate them properly. People will try to get an official salary, because not only their future pension depends on this, but also the income of their mother and father. For parents of military personnel and civil servants whose salaries do not pay deductions to the pension fund, also provide for payments depending on the size of the income of their children. Parents of children with disabilities who have raised them in good faith should also be encouraged. Marginal parents, even those with many children who have raised idle parasites, alcoholics, and criminals, respectively, will not receive additional income in old age.

It is worth considering the return of the childless tax as it was in the Union. Only childless citizens should pay it, not from the age of 18, but, for example, from the age of 25 in order to be able to learn and without delaying to start a family. All proceeds from this tax should be targeted to support families with children.

The European way of putting off giving birth to children or abandoning children is not for us. The ancestors created the largest country for us, we must pass it on to our, and not foreign, descendants. As the Moscow princes said: “So that the candle does not die out!”
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  1. Svarog 19 January 2020 16: 21 New
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    I propose: let the bulk of the pension be formed as it is now. But to provide that part of the pension depended on the amount of income to the pension fund from the children of the pensioner. The result is this: the more children you have and the higher their “white” income, the better and calmer you will live in old age. There will be an incentive for young people to give birth to children, to educate and educate them properly


    It is hard to imagine that a 20-year-old or 25-year-old man would think about old age and decide to create a large family under the influence of the motivation given in the article .. This is all from the category of not realistic initiatives of the Medvedev government. In order to give birth, a person must understand that milk in 2030 will cost the same as in 2025 ... well, or grow by a ruble, that they will not kick from work when you turn 40 .. and so on, in other words people should have confidence in the future and social security. And then, you need to include incentives and motivation .. With the combination of these factors, everything will work out .. but with a capitalist society and today's consumer ideology, this is impossible.
    1. Ronald Reagan 19 January 2020 16: 29 New
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      And what is this category of population that is smart enough (??) to earn money only for milk?
      1. Svarog 19 January 2020 16: 34 New
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        Quote: Ronald Reagan
        And what is this category of population that is smart enough (??) to earn money only for milk?

        It’s a pity that you didn’t have the mind to understand .. that it is not milk, but stability.
        1. Blacksmith 55 19 January 2020 16: 47 New
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          The grain of reason is in the article. I think it is worth discussing.
          Better than doing nothing.
          1. Proxima 19 January 2020 17: 49 New
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            Quote: smith 55
            The grain of reason is in the article. I think it is worth discussing.
            Better than doing nothing.

            Yes, there is something to discuss. The question is constantly bothering me: why in the difficult 30s such a sparing retirement age was established - 60 for men and, accordingly, 55 years for women? The choice of such a retirement age was scientifically justified by the biological capabilities of man. After 55 and 60 years, women and men can no longer work normally, as the body does not have time to recover after a working day in 8 hours of sleepthat are normal for a person in 30 to 40 years. Therefore, the body of the elderly begins to wear out more, imbalance occurs, which can negatively affect health. But working day, working day is different. Miner, steelworker? - please go to 50! What has changed now? - Has the person become healthier? The answer is rhetorical, "bloodthirsty" Stalin thought of a simple man, a hard worker, a creative man, and not a ghoul-bureaucrat, an oligarch who needs to fill his pockets. And the last, if only one doctor would send an open letter to the presidential administration, they all got water as if in their mouth ...
            1. Saxahorse 19 January 2020 18: 05 New
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              Quote: Proxima
              The question is constantly bothering me: why in the difficult 30s such a sparing retirement age was established - 60 for men and, accordingly, 55 years for women?

              And what have the doctors to do with it? It’s just that in the 30s, in the Soviet Union, it wasn’t customary to look at a person as a working cattle, obliged to plow until complete wear and tear, and obligated to die immediately after running out of resources.
              1. Proxima 19 January 2020 18: 14 New
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                Quote: Saxahorse
                And what have the doctors to do with it?

                I repeat, the retirement age of 55 and 60 years was scientifically sound!
                Not every person in 60 years can fully work and therefore he had the CONSTITUTIONAL LAW to go to well-deserved paid rest.
              2. opus 19 January 2020 19: 02 New
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                Quote: Saxahorse
                It’s just that in the 30s, in the Soviet Union, it wasn’t customary to look at a person as a working cattle, obliged to plow until complete wear and tear, and obligated to die immediately after running out of resources.

                Do not idealize (USSR)
                Skotinka about two legs in the 30s of the USSR - collective farmers
                Quote: Proxima
                I remind you. Our country has turned from a backward, teeming with social contradictions, into a great

                I feel not at the expense of your relatives / ancestors.
                1. Proxima 19 January 2020 21: 23 New
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                  Quote: opus
                  I feel not at the expense of your relatives / ancestors.

                  I'll tell you straight. A noble individual who associates himself with an adequate and decent person will not insult (albeit veiledly) the opponent's relatives. Let this speech remain on your conscience, which, by the way, you probably do not have.
                  1. opus 19 January 2020 21: 56 New
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                    Quote: Proxima
                    I'll tell you straight. A noble individual who associates himself with an adequate and decent person will not insult (albeit veiledly) the opponent's relatives.

                    I will tell you "directly"
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                    I don’t trust too much people who publicly crucify in their patriotism. In such outpourings, a certain falsehood is always perceived. Not without reason has there been a saying in the East since ancient times: those who have musk in their pockets do not scream about it on the streets, because the smell of musk gives itself away...

                    2. a decent person, not when he writes a meanness like:

                    Quote: Proxima
                    Just in the 30s, in the Soviet Union, nIt was customary to look at a person as a working cattle obliged to plow until complete wear and tear and obligated to die immediately after running out of resources.

                    they just looked at cattle from the village.
                    Such as you, will write only the great-grandson of the former nomenclature / jailers.
                    I, according to the stories (live) of grandparents / partially great-grandmothers (great-grandfathers all at the fronts were killed before birth), I heard

                    Quote: Proxima
                    your conscience, which, by the way, you probably do not have.


                    in your opinion. we just have different consciences
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              3. Xnumx vis 19 January 2020 22: 29 New
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                Quote: Saxahorse
                it wasn’t customary to look at a person as working cattle, obliged to plow until they were completely worn out, and obligated to die immediately after running out of resources.

                A very controversial statement ... Just take and see photos of the construction of the Dnieper Hydroelectric Power Station, the White Sea-Baltic Canal .. In principle, any shock construction projects of this, and subsequent times .. Only probably in the late 70s of the last century, the attitude towards the People began to change. ... I don’t even want to explain ... It turns out to show color pictures to the blind ...
              4. Lord_Bran 21 January 2020 21: 07 New
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                Funny joke.
            2. Den717 19 January 2020 19: 55 New
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              Quote: Proxima
              But working day, working day is different. Miner, steelworker? - please go to 50! What has changed now?

              If you read this reform under discussion, you would have learned that for a miner and a steelmaker, whose professions are classified as harmful, reform does not change the age of retirement.
            3. astepanov 20 January 2020 12: 06 New
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              If you look at the age structure of the population (the network is full of sources), it can be seen that increasing the retirement age means reducing the number of pensioners by about 26%, while seniority should increase by an average of 6,5 years (i.e., from 34,5, 41 to 19 years, or 1,49%). Pension contributions should also grow proportionally. Thus, pensions should grow 14 times. Holiday to the heart! If now the country's average pension is 21 thousand, then it will grow up to XNUMX thousand!
              But here is what worries: neither Kudrin nor Golodets promise such a holiday. According to their estimates, pensions will not grow by 50, but only by 30% - and nothing more. And not immediately, but after 5 years -
              10. And after five years, inflation of 3,5 percent per annum will result in only 30% of these 14% increases. And was it worth the fence with a pension reform, with an inevitable shortage of jobs, with massive unemployment, if the expected result is so negligible?
              Perhaps the real reason for the pension reform is the monstrously distorted employment structure. The share of security officials (without an army!) In Russia is the largest in the world, and most of them retire ahead of schedule, while receiving considerable pensions. Ministry of Internal Affairs (1 million), National Guard (400 thousand), Ministry of Emergency Situations (300 thousand), Federal Penitentiary Service (300 thousand), FSB with border service (200 thousand), drug control, migration service, tax, judicial corps ... However, even in this In an “incomplete” form, the number of employees of law enforcement agencies in Russia does not fall below 2,6 million people, or about 5% of the working population. In the USSR, this indicator was more than twice lower (and worked more efficiently). Add to this the crowds of darmod security guards: in all shops, schools, hospitals, institutions ... Finally, the management apparatus is also bloated: managers are clogged with enterprises, institutions, universities (earlier the dean and secretary were enough at the faculty, now every professor has been assigned drover). But government revenue comes from those who produce goods and services — and there are fewer such. All this means one thing: the government is not able to create a country with efficient production. You can compose a national project and swell the darkness of money into it - but it will be unprofitable, and not profitable. After the collapse of the USSR, thousands of enterprises were destroyed - and where is the basis for confidence that if a new one is built on the site of the destroyed one, it will be in demand? And aren't those who have been breaking the country over their knees for the third decade, are going to build something? I do not believe them. All these “Putin plans”, “May decrees” are pure bred. And "National Projects" - the same issue of money for cutting "their own." Seen taught by this audience with honest faces.
              1. kot28.ru 20 January 2020 13: 23 New
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                and why does astepanov not pay attention to the armada of officials, the privileges of any deputies? The siloviki are like walking to the moon. Moreover, the deputy does not risk anything, fully secured by a good salary and a huge supplement to his pension for a couple of terms in the State Duma!
                1. astepanov 20 January 2020 14: 55 New
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                  Oh, it seems that kot28.ru is from the security forces. Firstly, it cannot and does not want to read, and secondly, it immediately begins to build versions - without even delving into the argument. Bravo, cat! Try to read it again, and if you can’t at least know the syllables, then ask your comrades. I believe that you will succeed.
                  And I explain: yes, the majority of deputies eat bread in vain. But if you pick up the data on the salaries of deputies, and give the numbers to two-year-olds from a neighboring school, then they will calculate for you that the salaries of all the State Duma deputies will be enough only to raise pensions by 7,2 rubles / month. And if you disperse half of the security forces (do not touch the Army!), You will still remain more than in the USSR, and pensions will increase by about 3 thousand rubles. All the same, they can’t cope with drug trafficking (unlike the USSR), with a criminal case too, with the export of capital either. However, among them there are heroes. Like, say, Zakharchenko. Or Cherkalin. These handed over to the state an amount equal to the salary of the State Duma for 11 years! And this is probably not the only ones, and hardly passed by the leadership.
                  Sent Cossack this Cat28. wassat
                2. cradle 21 January 2020 09: 06 New
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                  Well, probably he doesn’t take Patamush into account. progress ... Production since the days of the USSR has changed quite a lot and he DOESN'T NEED workers in SUCH quantity as under the USSR. And if you stupidly disperse these loafers, then besides social tension (which by the way there will be no one to disperse laughing ) we won’t get anything. This is the inevitable evil of the NTP. hi
                  1. Essex62 21 January 2020 16: 58 New
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                    People united, from the moment they realized that they were human, in order to support, work together and survive in an aggressive environment. NTP, by itself, is not necessary if it contradicts the foundations of the unification of the people into a state. This is if we consider the problem from the platform of a society of social justice and equality. Well, in cannibalism, it’s certainly different. Where are loafers living in large numbers in the USSR? According to my observations, everyone worked. Those who walked tunic were attracted by force.
                    1. cradle 23 January 2020 05: 12 New
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                      we now digress from the topic and move on to a debate about how to switch to a different economic structure ... preferably according to the precepts of the temporary detention center ... with a 6-hour clock (and not like now almost everywhere (well, if you are not a civil servant and also a boss ) 12 hours), with 3 days off. But in that economic system, which is now, it is practically impossible ... or it is possible with such a tightening of screws that state. the car will crumble simply. Deprivatization of ALL extractive, developing enterprises and transport is needed. You can talk about everything beautiful for a long time, but we have what we have. And NTP under capitalism is not on the side of the working people. That is, they are pushed out of enterprises and come up with various regulatory bodies, into which they smoothly flow.
            4. Victor N 20 January 2020 12: 25 New
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              Mr. Obolensky, the article - "about sheared"
          2. LeonidL 20 January 2020 06: 20 New
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            An excellent and correct, honest article with sensible conclusions that it is desirable to convey to the President and include in the Constitution, the good time is right. And yet, if we compare the situation with medicine, say in the United States, then if there is no earned physician, and even more preferably left after serving or working for the state or a large company of medical insurance, you will go broke on visits and medicines, but about operations and complicated diagnostics in general to forget. To receive a pension and medicine, you need not only to work at least 10 years and reach 65 at least years (retirement age 67), but also pay regular deductions for the social security and the doctor (approximately 7.75 percent if I'm not mistaken), and if in a small company or for yourself ... and the minimum pension ... it’s a penny at the price level, but you also have to pay for the medicar, and a federal tax on pension. Well, about the cost of teaching children in college I am silent, silent! especially in the prestigious equivalent of Moscow as the author. True, I’ll make a reservation, if it’s a genius, then everything will be in chocolate and for free, the best universities will be persecuted and pay a scholarship .... if it’s a genius. So everything needs to be learned in comparison. I remember how at rallies in 1991 we shouted we want to live as unemployed in France, we don’t want as engineers in the Union ... Dreams come true idiots?
            1. pin_code 20 January 2020 07: 10 New
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              nor anything sensible in it. not all children are gifted, and not everyone in the country finds work in Moscow, in government agencies. I have written many times that Moscow is not rubber. and you open the site "looking for work" and oppa, earnings in the capital (shift) are 30% lower than in the North ... and the question arises ... whether we have a capital in the region of the Arctic Circle, or Novokuznetsk is located on latitudes of the equator ...
        2. Simargl 1 February 2020 21: 35 New
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          Quote: Svarog
          It’s a pity that you didn’t have the mind to understand .. that it is not milk, but stability.
          In African countries stably awful. Rabbits are envious.
          In Europe, it is stably good (relatively). The same rubbish as ours ...
          Sorry, you didn’t have the mind to understand the suggestions made in the article.
          Somewhere, by the way, I already said this. And he mentioned that the method is known: in Russia there was already a period when the birth rate jumped at times (Stalin had not yet been born, if that).
          Having children must be profitably!!!
          Yes, children are resources (time, psyche, money), but the family should receive compensation for the child. And mat-capital is a drop.
      2. AU Ivanov. 19 January 2020 16: 35 New
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        Apparently those who have the intelligence to earn a bottle. Such, by the way, breed and breed well.
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          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          Apparently those who have the intelligence to earn a bottle. Such, by the way, breed and breed well.

          Then I think that there are so many minuses to VO? recourse
    2. Sergey Valov 19 January 2020 16: 30 New
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      Pensions, as such, appeared only in the twentieth century, and large families were the norm under feudalism and capitalism. In the USSR, there was socialism, and the birth rate was gradually falling. So it’s not a social order.
      1. Aerodrome 19 January 2020 16: 42 New
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        sergey32 well done of course, but not all and not in every region can afford so many children, there are regions where unemployment is just terrible, there are no industries as such. what do you order to feed the children? and also the elderly right there. who do not pull housing in their pensions in the winter? so the article is not deliberate, with a bang. not ... no plus. as well as supporting articles. these are all special happy occasions that do not reflect reality throughout the territory. if I have two children and four grandchildren, this is tin. children can’t get the costs alone, we help as much as we can on a monthly basis.
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          Quote: Aerodrome
          and not in all regions so many children can afford it, there are regions where unemployment is simply terrible, there are no industries as such. what do you order to feed the children?

          Name such a region !! Where is Nightmare unemployment! Are you my friend now in what year?
          1. Fan-fan 19 January 2020 20: 27 New
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            There is unemployment in the countryside, and work is also a problem in small towns.
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              Quote: Fan-Fan
              There is unemployment in the countryside, while in small towns there is also a problem with work.

              No need, who wants to work, he will always find work in the countryside!
              1. Fan-fan 19 January 2020 21: 11 New
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                And where did the abandoned villages come from? Previously, at least there were state farms; everyone had work. The people flee to the city from villages for any job, at least as a security guard, at least as a dishwasher.
                I have a hobby - fishing, so I traveled to almost all the villages of the region, I can upload photos, it’s horrible to wander around an abandoned village, like after the war.
                1. AU Ivanov. 21 January 2020 00: 12 New
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                  I’ll tell you one secret. People from villages fled long before Gorbachev. Of my class, graduation in 1979, 5 people remained in the village, the rest moved some to St. Petersburg, some to Moscow, some to Novgorod.
          2. LeonidL 20 January 2020 06: 23 New
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            Quote: Edik
            Name such a region !! Where is Nightmare unemployment! Are you my friend now in what year?

            He is not in the year, he is in Ukraine!
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              He is not in the year, he is in Ukraine!

              And beyond timelessness ... wink
        2. Edik 19 January 2020 19: 50 New
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          Quote: Aerodrome
          Airfield (Airfield)

          So I'm waiting for Airdrome! Specifically, what region are you writing about?
          Quote: Aerodrome
          but not all and not in every region can afford so many children, there are regions where unemployment is simply terrible, there are no industries as such

          Or as always?
        3. Krasnoyarsk 19 January 2020 20: 58 New
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          Quote: Aerodrome

          sergey32 well done of course, but not all and not in every region can afford so many children, there are regions where unemployment is just terrible, there are no industries as such. what do you order to feed the children? and also the elderly right there. which on their

          In my opinion, this is not in the region. Even in the region where the author of the article lives, someone pokes around in search of work and cannot find it.
          The author sees everything from his bell tower. Does he see everything? So it usually happens that - no. Life presents millions of variations, one of which fell to the author. Or can such a variation fall to the lot of another person? I'm not talking about a lot of people with such a variation. Of course not. People called it fate. The author, talking about his "fate" hints - live and act like me! Is it possible, how is he? For many people, "fate" will be somewhat similar, but no more.
          I’m sure the author didn’t finish something, hid something from us to show what a wonderful head of the family he was. I do not argue - wonderful. But I do not believe that by random earnings you can raise four children, and even go to expensive martial arts classes.
          Then what do we need to increase the birth rate? I will not reveal any secret, everything is very trite and said by many commentators - 1. Confidence in the future! The word "tomorrow" is considered as - decades, twenty years, thirty years, etc.
          2. Eliminate large property stratification.
          Listen to the young moms, what are they saying? “I don’t want my children to go to school in cast-offs when other children in imported clothes, gold earrings with painted nails and their mom-dad bring to school by car. It’s better I give birth to one, but I can dress, put on a baby” "and I will not produce beggars!"
          It is clear that there will never be property equality, in principle, this is normal, but this should not be clearly expressed in the textbook. institutions.
          I don’t know, can introduce a compulsory school uniform? Let it be different for different schools, but for one it should be the same.
          This is not an offer. This, so, is thought and nothing more.
          1. sergey32 19 January 2020 21: 36 New
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            I don’t hint at anything, I write as is. Children were born when there was income. When he died, he tried not to break. Times are always difficult. I wrote my suggestions on how to somehow help families with children. And then our people have become - it easily changes unborn children for personal comfort. You can’t get into any yard from expensive cars, but there is no money for children. Martial arts classes were 100 p. in 2.5 hours, now 150. Is it expensive?
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              // Children were born when there was income //
              pure IMHO people can also not show a debit-credit calculator, but with an intuitive sense they understand whether there is an income for one, two, or how many children. From this and dances.
              and so, yes, the last article had the main geopolitical thought: “the people make a vote of confidence in the state with their demography”
              1. Krasnoyarsk 20 January 2020 10: 45 New
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                Quote: askoldson
                // Children were born when there was income //

                If we talk about "before the revolution" and even before the war, when three children do not surprise anyone, then - NO. In my opinion, children were turned on:
                1. for ordinary people there were no pensions as such. Therefore, taking care of their old age, gave birth to as many children as possible. (infant mortality was high, therefore - let someone survive)
                2. The vast majority of the population lived the same way. (and the thing is not that poor, but that equally)
                3. There was no electricity, went to bed early, and got up early, but what to do two young bodies? But there were no abortions. It was considered a sin.
            2. LeonidL 20 January 2020 06: 31 New
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              Thank you Sergey! I completely agree with you and respect people like you (and myself)!
            3. pin_code 20 January 2020 07: 16 New
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              where do you live? our tutor in any subject (school) costs from 350 r. in hour. and any section is no less. if you consider that you live in the Arctic Circle, and Kuzbass is at the equator
          2. LeonidL 20 January 2020 06: 29 New
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            There are always those who bumble and whine. In the USSR, even though I was a candidate of science, honored innovator (each month I received from 50 to 175 for Ratsuhi), a senior lecturer, a sovereign who received 500 for a month, but was not shy about straightening and painting the body, but it was necessary popped up on his Zhiguli at night to the stations and calmly made his 50s, and offered to paint the ceilings and glue the wallpaper - he went and again, all in chocolate. The main thing is in the morning in the form. And the former fellow students were whining, saying that he’s a mms or the senior engineer gets 150 ... He offered to work together, promised to teach, to show ... "So I’m an engineer! So I’m a scientist!" Wails mukhta legs bent .. well, do not whine then! Who works, he receives. Especially under capitalism.
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      2. Svarog 19 January 2020 16: 45 New
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        Quote: Sergey Valov
        Pensions, as such, appeared only in the twentieth century, and large families were the norm under feudalism and capitalism. In the USSR, there was socialism, and the birth rate was gradually falling. So it’s not a social order.


        Now there would be such a fall and there would be no problems with demography .. below is a graph showing the growth of the population of Russia ..
        1. Edik 19 January 2020 19: 04 New
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          Svarog, you have mixed up the schedule there! Pour them there hi
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            Quote: Edik
            Svarog, you have mixed up the schedule there! Pour them there hi

            Nothing is confused. I just know what your question on the topic is written in the training manual. You will immediately begin to tell that the increase was due to Muslims and other republics, but the population of Russia itself did not grow .. in order to skip this, I immediately laid out this schedule.
            1. Edik 19 January 2020 20: 36 New
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              Quote: Svarog
              You will immediately begin to tell that the increase was due to Muslims and other republics, but the population of Russia itself did not grow .. in order to skip this, I immediately laid out this schedule.

              Svarog, okay, it’s understandable with you, non-Russians are not Russians! But you look at the schedule from which year the fall began! Somehow it’s not very connected with the bloody regime!
          2. Nyrobsky 19 January 2020 21: 29 New
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            Svarog, you have mixed up the schedule there! Pour them there hi

            Sorry, but Svarog gave a real picture. Without further ado, I will give an example for the Republic of Komi. In 1990, 1 million 280 thousand people lived in it. Today - 830 thousand. Maybe 10 thousand were wrong, but that's not the point. The bottom line is that over the years of the tireless struggle against the “scoop” and the victorious march into capitalism, the Republic with a territory equal to two France lost a third of its population (450 thousand people) and has less people than it lives in each city as Perm, Yekaterinburg or Nizhny Novgorod. The reasons are banal to disgrace - mortality is higher than the birth rate and lack of work, which motivates people to travel to other regions. The same picture is observed in Karelia, Arkhangelsk region, Perm Territory, Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug, Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, Yakutia, Siberia and the Far East.
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      3. sabakina 19 January 2020 17: 22 New
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        Quote: Sergey Valov
        and large families were the norm under feudalism and capitalism.
        Tell me, comrade, do we have feudalism or capitalism right now?
        1. Svarog 19 January 2020 18: 01 New
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          Quote: sabakina
          Quote: Sergey Valov
          and large families were the norm under feudalism and capitalism.
          Tell me, comrade, do we have feudalism or capitalism right now?

          By the way, the question is very relevant and correct .. it seems to me that we already have feudalism .. If you look at how the children of officials are arranged by inheritance and patronage ...
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            Quote: Svarog
            By the way, the question is very relevant and correct .. it seems to me that we already have feudalism ..

            Forgive me, whose serf? what
          2. Fan-fan 19 January 2020 20: 32 New
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            What wrong did Svarog say? Children of officials without exception become officials. Children of peasants and workers - most likely will inherit the class of parents. It’s sad, since it was not so in the USSR.
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              Quote: Fan-Fan
              . Children of peasants and workers - most likely will inherit the class of parents. It’s sad, since it was not so in the USSR.

              don’t tell me .... Maybe the son of the first secretary of the city party committee went to the construction site to get an apartment (if you’re MJK you’re going to the construction site you build another, you’ll get yourself), or did the daughter of the director of a furniture store go to MGIMO out of favor ??? An idealist you however ....
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            Quote: Svarog
            Quote: sabakina
            Quote: Sergey Valov
            and large families were the norm under feudalism and capitalism.
            Tell me, comrade, do we have feudalism or capitalism right now?

            By the way, the question is very relevant and correct .. it seems to me that we already have feudalism .. If you look at how the children of officials are arranged by inheritance and patronage ...

            I’ll try to answer, dear! Only discharge response sarcasm.I also think --- feudalism. But the worse is that officials are trying to turn back the clock with all their might, so that slavery comes. am
        2. NEXUS 19 January 2020 18: 14 New
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          Quote: sabakina
          Tell me, comrade, do we have feudalism or capitalism right now?

          Rather, even slavery.
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            Everyone considers himself to be who it is to consider himself. You can be a slave, you can be a slave, or you can be a marshal ... It is also important that every born is doomed to eat his whole life - like any cattle, but this does not oblige to be cattle.
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        Pensions, as such, appeared only in the twentieth century,

        In RI, pensions appeared, at least in the 19th century, but not for everyone.
      5. Ingvar 72 20 January 2020 09: 05 New
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        Quote: Sergey Valov
        In the USSR, there was socialism, and the birth rate was gradually falling.

        Don’t tell bullshit, with the Union, the birth rate grew until the end of the 80s. Failure was in the 60s, but it was an echo of war, a broken generation. hi
        1. Sergey Valov 20 January 2020 17: 18 New
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          In 60-70 years. in the RSFSR, one child in the family became the norm. Is it a birth rate increase?
          1. Ingvar 72 20 January 2020 17: 44 New
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            Is it a birth rate increase?

            From the 65th growth began, until the end of the 80s. Charts and numbers in the public domain.
    3. paul3390 19 January 2020 16: 41 New
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      Confidence that children will live better than us can only give a return to socialism .. Capitalism - we will all be driven to the grave.
      1. Kleber 19 January 2020 16: 45 New
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        Why precisely to socialism? Before the revolution, the monarchical Russian Empire with a birth rate was even very good.
        1. Svarog 19 January 2020 16: 49 New
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          Why precisely to socialism? Before the revolution, the monarchical Russian Empire with a birth rate was even very good.

          As with dimensionality .. Before the revolution, only 14% of the population was educated .. you want the same .. and everything goes to that. Barin doesn’t need smart ones. Need stupid and hardworking ..
          1. Kleber 19 January 2020 16: 53 New
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            If a person wants to see only the bad, he sees only the bad. Was there anything more positive than literacy and literacy?
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              Quote: Kleber
              If a person wants to see only the bad, he sees only the bad. Was there anything more positive than literacy and literacy?

              There really was little positive .. of course, depending on who to look at. The nobles lived very positively, so much so that they could lose all grain stocks for the winter cards .. from boredom they came up with all kinds of indecent entertainment .. But ordinary people, they didn’t live very well .. although it was stable, if there was no drought or something else a natural disaster .. then starving .. of course not the boyars and nobles (they are all positive) The country was completely agrarian .. which is also not very positive and developed extremely slowly in comparison with other progressive countries. Transcendental infant mortality .. domestic syphilis .. "charms" and positive for the common people were enough, that was the reason of the revolution .. After which, Russia became a great empire with industry, science and for the first time in history with the fairest social society ..
          2. AU Ivanov. 19 January 2020 17: 12 New
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            Population growth, taking into account child mortality. The increase is the birth rate minus the death rate, while in RI the population growth was higher than the Soviet period.
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              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              and in RI, population growth was higher than the Soviet period.

              I’m interested in these “letters” that are negative, even if for their own development they can look for statistics and make sure that a person is writing the truth? Or is it easier to push a button than be puzzled? A flocking instinct of some sort ... At the beginning of the 20th century, TFR in the Russian Empire was more than 7 births per woman, while in other European countries it was 3-4 births. But almost immediately after the end of the civil war and the establishment of Soviet power in the birth rate, a collapse begins. By 1940, the birth rate dropped to 4,5 births per woman, and after the end of World War II - to 3.
              The problem for the minusers is that in just twenty years, the communist restructuring of society has more than half killed childbearing in Russia. Here are the "quiet" minuses from the "righteous" and "patriots" who, in good times, didn’t climb out of gray epaulettes in the turtles. And the casket just opens up, in accordance with the revolutionary ideals of the Marxists, the focus was on the "liberation" of women from the "remnants" of the bourgeois patriarchy. The image offered to women to follow was focused primarily on the role of the “comrade” in the communist class struggle and the worker at the machine tool. But neither how nor in any way as a woman continuer of the clan. And here is a visual agitation for you, you’re used to it, aren’t you “bickers”, “my addresses”, “populists”, “vans” and “bans” ..... (only 18, and the comment size is limited)?
          3. AU Ivanov. 19 January 2020 17: 22 New
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            What are you? Why not 1.4%?
            According to the General Staff in 1913, among the personnel of the Russian army there were 906 thousand literate people, and 353 thousand illiterate people. Even if we assume that absolutely all women in the Republic of Ingushetia were illiterate, which is far from the case, then there were not 14% of literate people in the country, but much more. Now to the birth rate: it turns out that the more illiterate the society, the higher the population growth.
            1. paul3390 19 January 2020 17: 50 New
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              It depends on what you mean by literacy .. Being able to subscribe and read a sign is not equivalent to the ability to read complex literature .. Yes, even newspapers ..
              1. AU Ivanov. 19 January 2020 19: 29 New
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                Each time had its own criteria for literacy. One hundred years ago, in order to be literate, it was enough to be able to read, write and perform four arithmetic operations. And now a person cannot be considered fully literate if he does not own a computer. Progress, where without it.
                1. IS-80_RVGK2 20 January 2020 19: 23 New
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                  “After the general mobilization with the outbreak of war, the proportion of illiterate and semi-illiterate among recruits increased to 61%. At the same time, illiterate recruits in Germany were 0,04%, in England - 1%, in France - 3,4%, in the USA - 3,8%, in Italy - 30%. "It remains to bring the level of literacy to the level of literacy in RI and Tak Pobedim!
            2. Svarog 19 January 2020 17: 54 New
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              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              What are you? Why not 1.4%?
              According to the General Staff in 1913, among the personnel of the Russian army there were 906 thousand literate people, and 353 thousand illiterate people. Even if we assume that absolutely all women in the Republic of Ingushetia were illiterate, which is far from the case, then there were not 14% of literate people in the country, but much more. Now to the birth rate: it turns out that the more illiterate the society, the higher the population growth.

              The literacy rate of the population of the Russian Empire was very low compared to other European countries. According to the census of 1897, only 78% of the population were illiterate in the empire (without Finland).
              https://hystory.mediasole.ru/gramotnost_naseleniya_v_carskoy_rossii
              1. Kleber 19 January 2020 18: 13 New
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                Quote: Svarog
                The literacy rate of the population of the Russian Empire was very low compared to other European countries. According to the census of 1897, only 78% of the population were illiterate in the empire (without Finland).
                https://hystory.mediasole.ru/gramotnost_naseleniya_v_carskoy_rossii


                But now every second higher education, everyone has completed high school. And the birth rate is falling.
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                  1. Kleber 19 January 2020 18: 25 New
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                    But what about the birth rate of growth if most of the last ... eat up salt-free?


                    So do most without salt eat up? Do you also get salt without spending all the money on the Internet?
                  2. AU Ivanov. 19 January 2020 18: 40 New
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                    If everything was, as you say, then Western Europe was suffocated from overpopulation. With her then social guarantees. Which are much finer than ours.
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                      In addition to social guarantees, we also need really working social elevators. Both up and down ...
                  3. Edik 19 January 2020 19: 35 New
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                    The quality of this education is known to all.

                    The quality of Russian education is proved by the prizes of our youth at the world Svarog Olympiads!
                  4. AU Ivanov. 19 January 2020 19: 35 New
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                    Apparently due to the low quality of our education, our schoolchildren and students take first places at international olympiads in the exact sciences, and graduates of our universities are quoted abroad. Not all, of course, the percentage of boobies was, is and will be, but this value is constant. It’s just that those who were not allowed to enter the “tower” before the cannon shot become students. And they would have a broom in their hands so as not to compromise higher education.
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                  But now every second higher education, everyone has completed high school. And the birth rate is falling.

                  So what? Your suggestions? smile
                  1. AU Ivanov. 20 January 2020 20: 29 New
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                    Is that all friendly to accept Islam. Joke. But another does not occur. It’s necessary to change the mentality; money cannot solve this issue
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                      Quote: AU Ivanov.
                      But another does not occur.

                      Well this is not surprising. An anti-adviser is by definition a fool.
                      Quote: AU Ivanov.
                      It’s necessary to change the mentality; money cannot solve this issue

                      Solve. But this is a huge range of measures. Within the framework of capitalism, their implementation is hardly possible.
                      1. AU Ivanov. 20 January 2020 22: 24 New
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                        You can drive people back into socialism. In poverty and other goodies, inherent in this very socialism, such as: deficits, exit visas, lack of property. Then yes - we will begin to multiply. The poorer the society, the higher the birth rate.
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                        I already heard that. And more than once. By the way, your favorite capitalism, he is covered in blood of tears and mountains of corpses, so do not la la. Socialism and behind it communism are simply inevitable. This is a direct consequence of the growth of productive forces. How will your economy work when tomorrow the percentage of workers falls, say, to 30 of all able-bodied people? The Communists had the answer to this question. Do you have adherents of capitalism? And what happened unfortunately was not the kind of socialism that was planned. This happened for many reasons. Do you know the one who comes in front of the most difficult.
                      3. AU Ivanov. 20 January 2020 23: 07 New
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                        Socialism has not danced in any country, does that mean anything to you? He was unsustainable. And China is not an example here - today's China is a state with a market economy and private ownership of the means of production, due to which, in fact, it has rushed up. And about the mountains of corpses and tears - to you to Pol Pot or to socialist China since the Great Leap Forward or the Cultural Revolution. It is possible in the USSR of the 30s. There was still a country in which socialism was built with the prefix "national"
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                        Quote: AU Ivanov.
                        And about the mountains of corpses and tears - you to Pol Pot or socialist China since the Great Leap Forward or the Cultural Revolution.

                        When was it different? Your capitalism was born no less bloody. And capitalism is still killing. Former Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Ukraine. If there weren’t nuclear weapons, everyone would have killed each other for a long time in the third world in full.
                        Quote: AU Ivanov.
                        China is not an example here - present China is a state with a market economy and private ownership of the means of production, due to which, in fact, it has rushed up.

                        There are countries with market economies that for some reason still can’t rush. Well, or rushed only recently. That bad luck huh? China generally does not understand what. With a drift towards the market and National Socialism.
                  2. Mordvin 3 20 January 2020 23: 27 New
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                    You can drive people back into socialism. Into poverty

                    Stop lying about poverty. Compare how much was spent on rent with a minimum wage then and now.
                  3. AU Ivanov. 20 January 2020 23: 40 New
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                    You can also compare the level of motorization. Availability and prices of household appliances. On the diversity and quality of the service sector. Availability and range of consumer goods. And do not forget that now the apartment is your property, and not the state property, which you, in fact, rented.
                  4. Mordvin 3 20 January 2020 23: 58 New
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                    Quote: AU Ivanov.
                    You can also compare the level of motorization.

                    Already hesitated at this level. What to compare it with?
                    Quote: AU Ivanov.
                    Availability and prices of household appliances.

                    It was quite affordable, except for video recorders. Different prices.
                    Quote: AU Ivanov.
                    Now the apartment is your property, not a state property, which you, in fact, rented

                    And no one drove like that, except that the convicts were discharged six months after the trial.
                  5. AU Ivanov. 21 January 2020 00: 03 New
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                    But you could not buy or sell an apartment. Inheritance, too. There were options to exchange for a smaller one with the addition, or exchange for a larger one with a surcharge, but it was a crime. By the way, now the rent under a social contract of employment is much lower than the rent of the owner.
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                    Quote: AU Ivanov.
                    But you could not buy or sell an apartment.

                    Why should I sell it? You could buy a house.
                    Quote: AU Ivanov.
                    By the way, now the rent under a social contract of employment is much lower than the rent of the owner.

                    And how much? For heating or something less? Or what else?
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                    Well, my friend sold a three-ruble note in St. Petersburg and bought a very decent cottage near the city. He always wanted to have his own house.
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    According to the General Staff in 1913, among the personnel of the Russian army there were 906 thousand literate people, and 353 thousand illiterate people.

    Literacy simply staggered the imagination especially against the rest of Europe. “The lower ranks educated in various schools are insignificant, only 10,74%. The rest of the mass (89,26%) did not receive any education. who can read and write, about half of the entire composition (47,41%), who can only read - 24,09%, the rest are completely illiterate - 28,59% ” good To say that this is a complete ... paragraph means to say nothing.
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    So.
  • NEXUS 19 January 2020 18: 19 New
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    Quote: Svarog
    As with the dimension ..

    And in Tsarist Russia, was everything all right with medicine?
    Quote: Svarog
    Before the revolution, only 14% of the population was educated ..

    You know, many do not know what happened in the USSR, since they distorted history by cowards on the street, and you ask about the revolution before. Studying history, I came to one indisputable conclusion that what we were told at the institutes and schools about the history of Russia is the bullshit that the Germans, French, British drew to us ... and we pass this off as truth. History has long been no longer science, but pseudoscience with the manipulation of facts, the destruction of shrines and memory, etc. ... so the questions regarding history are essentially not correct at all, because nobody knows the REAL history.
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      As with the dimension ..

      And in Tsarist Russia, was everything all right with medicine?

      Of course not, I write about this to my opponent that the birth rate was high, but the mortality rate was much higher than in the USSR.
      Quote: NEXUS
      Studying history, I came to one indisputable conclusion that what we were told in institutes and schools about the history of Russia is bullshit,

      Partly I agree with you, partly because the story is really distorted, Gumilev wrote about this .. but the year 1900 is not so far away and it is still possible to figure it out and make a correct picture.
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        because really the story is very distorted,

        Not distorted, but corresponded with the foundation. Here's a question for you to think at your leisure ... tell me, why even in the smallest cities of Russia, Roman symbols, columns, etc. are used in architecture?
        And the second after ... why the Dutch artists, Italian and so on are considered artists who wrote "their time" and no one disputes this, but the ruinists are called something dreamers.
        Here is the artist Alekseev ... and the dating of the painting 1800 year ...

        Nikolsky Gate of the Kremlin and Alevizov Moat

        This is a minute exit to Red Square, that is, the center of Moscow. And then what happened? Fantasy artist?
        1. NEXUS 19 January 2020 20: 27 New
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          Partly agree with you, partly because the story is really distorted, Gumilev still wrote about this ..

          Very revealing architecture in different parts of the world, which is very identical for some reason ...
          About the temples of the goddess Vesta throughout Russia, I wrote below ... but take the temple of Zeus in Greece ...

          View inside ..

          Nothing like no? And so?

          And the view inside ..

          Lincoln Memorial in the USA.
          And this is our St. Isaac's Cathedral ...

          What do you think Greek architecture does in Russia, the USA, England, etc., as well as Roman?
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            What do you think Greek architecture does in Russia, the USA, England, etc., as well as Roman?

            I think she was brought along with the craftsmen who built or consulted local architects .. And what is your version?
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              I think she was introduced along with the craftsmen who built or consulted local architects ..

              With ancient Greek or ancient Roman?
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                Quote: Svarog
                I think she was introduced along with the craftsmen who built or consulted local architects ..

                With ancient Greek or ancient Roman?

                Well, well .. really mysterious things .. can we still assume that, say, projects, drawings, drawings from those times, somehow migrated ..?
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                Well, well .. really mysterious things .. can we still assume that, say, projects, drawings, drawings from those times, somehow migrated ..?

                How if libraries were burning all over the world? In addition, what kind of drawings, for example, are we talking about, if there are pyramids throughout Russia? Did the ancient Egyptians build them?

                Tell the artist’s fantasies?
                Look at the architecture of the same St. Petersburg ... there is the symbolism of ancient Greece and Rome.
                My version is not included in the canons of official history ... I think that civilization was one planetary. Although I know that there are smart people who say-ren-tv smell. But then let them answer the question, why was the architecture identical throughout the earth?
                The facts of history can be extinct, but architecture is not so easy to erase. That is why I give examples of architectural similarity in different parts of the world.
              3. Svarog 19 January 2020 22: 11 New
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                Quote: NEXUS
                My version is not included in the canons of official history ... I think that civilization was one planetary. Although I know that there are smart people who say-ren-tv smell. But then let them answer the question, why was the architecture identical throughout the earth?
                The facts of history can be extinct, but architecture is not so easy to erase. That is why I give examples of architectural similarity in different parts of the world.

                I agree with your assumption, quite possibly. One thing is for sure, that modern history cannot answer many questions .. and even ren-tv .. they also raise interesting topics there .. Smooth rock cuts that are dated from the times of dinosaurs are also a mysterious phenomenon .. Or saw a toy in the form an airplane of the same time BC. It is safe to say that we know that we don’t know anything. hi
              4. NEXUS 19 January 2020 22: 14 New
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                Well ... really mysterious things ..

                Someone will say that it was just imitated by the Greeks and Romans ... well then let them answer the question - why are there all-star fortresses all over the world? Also, different designs were sculpted according to some drawings?
                Star fortress in the Netherlands, Burtange

                And this is a fortress-star in the Samara region ..

                This is the Peter and Paul Fortress Star ..

                And there are not one or two such fortresses ...
              5. Svarog 19 January 2020 22: 49 New
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                And there are not one or two such fortresses.

                Yes, I didn’t know at all, Samara region. nearby. Very interesting, you need to write an article on VO.
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                Quote: Svarog
                Yes, I didn’t know at all, Samara region. nearby. Very interesting, you need to write an article on VO.

                Wrote, did not miss. Why do I often say that the story was not just distorted, it was destroyed and a new one was written ... like the truth. But there is no truth at all.
              7. Kronos 20 January 2020 15: 20 New
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                Yes, all the chronicles are fake omnipotent Zionists or whoever you have falsified around the world and only alternativeists cannot be fooled
              8. NEXUS 20 January 2020 16: 01 New
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                Yes, all the chronicles are fake omnipotent Zionists or whoever you have falsified around the world and only alternativeists cannot be fooled

                Alternatively, there is more truth than yours through a false story.
  • Kleber 19 January 2020 18: 34 New
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    Quote: NEXUS
    for no one knows the present story.


    Logical.

    “If you remove all the lies from history, this does not mean that only the truth remains. As a result, there may be nothing left at all. “- Stanislav Jerzy Lets
  • Reptiloid 19 January 2020 22: 50 New
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    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: Kleber
    Why precisely to socialism? Before the revolution, the monarchical Russian Empire with a birth rate was even very good.

    As with dimensionality .. Before the revolution, only 14% of the population was educated .. you want the same .. and everything goes to that. Barin doesn’t need smart ones. Need stupid and hardworking ..
    And these 14% mainly belonged to the “noble estates”. And others were called ---- vile. "" Noble "" could not be recruited, could not be subjected to corporal punishment. Unlike the vile.
  • Victor N 20 January 2020 13: 22 New
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    ALWAYS need obedient and obedient. And for the development of ANY society, rebellious, active, risky are needed.
  • paul3390 19 January 2020 17: 45 New
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    For obvious reason. The land in the village was divided by the community into eaters - therefore, the peasants had a very significant incentive for fertility .. As Stolypin abolished communal land tenure - so the birth rate crawled right down .. Therefore, how to feed a horde from a meager allotment became simply impossible .. At the same time - how Why do you think that under Comrade Stalin there were no problems with replenishing the population? Yes, too, the task is not great - because people had an iron confidence in a bright future for themselves and their children ..
  • Ryaruav 19 January 2020 18: 03 New
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    just in tsarist Russia there were no rubber products plus the highest infant mortality rate
    1. NEXUS 19 January 2020 19: 57 New
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      just in tsarist Russia there were no rubber products plus the highest infant mortality rate

      Regarding product number two, yes, but with mortality there are big questions. In a Russian family, 8-10 children were the norm. And this is not for some narrow period of history, for a moment.
      This is all about the issue of official history and what we are told.
      By the way ... there is such a goddess among the ancient Romans-Vesta.
      The official interpretation ...
      Vesta (lat. Vesta) - the goddess, patroness of the family hearth and sacrificial fire in Ancient Rome. According to legend, her temple between the Capitol and Palatine hills was built by the semi-legendary king Numa Pompilius. In the central part was a hearth on which fire was burning.

      Everything seems to be fine, but ... answer me a question, why is it in all of Russia of these temples of the goddess Vesta, in almost every town?
      This is how it looks in Rome ...

      Nothing like no? And so?

      And this is Ukraine, Nikolaev ..
      There are similar churches in Torzhok and in Moscow and St. Petersburg. So, what did these temples forget in Russia?
      For reflection ... The girl who was not with the man was called Vesta. But when she got married, she became the Unknown.
  • sabakina 19 January 2020 18: 12 New
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    Why precisely to socialism? Before the revolution, the monarchical Russian Empire with a birth rate was even very good.

    Yeah, saps are not bad!
  • Sotskiy 19 January 2020 18: 40 New
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    Quote: Kleber
    Why precisely to socialism? Before the revolution, the monarchical Russian Empire with a birth rate was even very good.

    Moreover, with child labor, in general, everything was hurt. Do not give birth to assistants in the family - there will be no one to plow in the field, and since there is nobody, then there will also be nothing to eat, especially in a crop failure, drought or stupidly during the long winter season. But we, the “great” agrarian country, were under monarchical RI, the saints sigh, fed the whole of Europe with grain, and the fact that their peasants ate oilcakes and died of hunger, they were “lazy people” who did not fit into the “market”. With their rods, with rods! Dying like flies? So we have a lot of women, give birth yet!
    Is this the kind of demographic policy you like?
    1. AU Ivanov. 21 January 2020 00: 07 New
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      Heh. According to the Lenin Decree on Land, all peasants received approximately equal starting opportunities. But some got rich in 10 years, thanks to their hard work and ability to manage their households, others became strong middle peasants. And the third as beggars, so they remained. Maybe this poor little rod gave for laziness?
      1. Sotskiy 21 January 2020 10: 29 New
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        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        Maybe this poor little rod gave for laziness?

        Judging from your logic, we can conclude that our current oligarchs in childhood got an excess of rod.
        1. AU Ivanov. 21 January 2020 10: 34 New
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          To create and conduct a business, in general, the task is so difficult. Definitely not for the idler. And a little gape - they will devour. With shit and slippers.
        2. AU Ivanov. 21 January 2020 10: 34 New
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          To create and conduct a business, in general, the task is so difficult. Definitely not for the idler. And a little gape - they will devour. With shit and slippers.
          1. Sotskiy 21 January 2020 10: 44 New
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            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            To create and conduct a business, in general, the task is so difficult. Definitely not for the idler.

            Create and wring out, a little different things. I remember how this happened in the 90s and 2000s by the way, too. And as those who created, suddenly were somewhere on the bottom of the lake.
            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            And a little gape - they will devour. With shit and slippers.

            So, most people do not want to live on the principle of Darwinism, which was imposed on us in the late 80s.
  • Reptiloid 19 January 2020 22: 43 New
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    Why precisely to socialism? Before the revolution, the monarchical Russian Empire with a birth rate was even very good.

    According to the census in 1898, the average life expectancy was 29-30 years. Few survived from the children born.
  • AU Ivanov. 19 January 2020 17: 59 New
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    Catch up with and overtake North Korea? This is me about socialism. Maybe, all the same, focus on the Scandinavian experience?
  • AU Ivanov. 19 January 2020 16: 44 New
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    In order to give birth, a person must realize that children themselves are a value. Children, not your own ego. And stability is the tenth matter, in much more unstable times, gave birth much more than in the present. I note: not so unstable.
    1. paul3390 19 January 2020 17: 48 New
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      to give birth, a person must realize that children themselves are a value.
      Of course it is, but this value needs to be fed, grown and brought to people .. And now we have everything for the money .. So it turns out that for the majority of the population there are already two children - it is tantamount to poverty .. Not to mention a greater number .. Who wants to produce a gol-shmol?
      1. AU Ivanov. 19 January 2020 17: 57 New
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        Who wants to? For example, Asians. Which us (not only Russians, but also all white Christians in general) can also force out our environment. They, for some reason, do not bother about the "grow-feed", that is, they are more viable than us.
        1. paul3390 19 January 2020 17: 59 New
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          Well - if you are ready to build a giant impoverished village from Russia .. With the population ready to work hard for food .. I personally do not want such a fate for my descendants.
          1. AU Ivanov. 19 January 2020 18: 01 New
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            I just don’t want to. But no arguing against Darwin - the fittest survives. Which will multiply, in spite of any conditions.
            1. paul3390 19 January 2020 18: 58 New
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              That's right - the strongest is the one who will survive .. We are sure - that this will work out by producing a bunch of illiterate raggers? Not knowing how to do anything except dig and drag?
              1. AU Ivanov. 19 January 2020 19: 16 New
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                Educated Ancient Rome fell under the onslaught of wild barbarians. Education is not an indicator. Simple arithmetic wins here.
                1. paul3390 19 January 2020 19: 27 New
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                  Now the mass does not play such a role. In a crowd you can’t stomp a tank.
                2. Tank hard 19 January 2020 22: 52 New
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                  Quote: AU Ivanov.
                  Educated Ancient Rome fell under the onslaught of wild barbarians

                  It is believed that Rome fell victim to her irrepressible desires, that the women of Rome and not only them, wanted to have silk, they wanted a lot of it, but silk still cost money ... repeat
              2. victor50 23 January 2020 15: 40 New
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                Quote: paul3390
                That's right - the strongest is the one who will survive .. We are sure - that this will work out by producing a bunch of illiterate raggers? Not knowing how to do anything except dig and drag?

                And what is your opponent wrong about? Let, as you say, beggars and hungry, but they are conquering the world. Look at France, the UK. In the last 50 years ago, there were 55 million inhabitants. Now about 80. If you think that the British have given birth, then walk along the streets of their cities. The surviving "hungry" and the poor are obviously more viable than those who grew up in comfortable conditions. For the former have already survived and live, and the latter have not been verified, and some of them will certainly die under difficult conditions. And AS Ivanov is right. If nothing in this world changes, then it will belong to Muslims and Chinese with Indians. Read the Notre Dame Mosque. Though not scientific, it makes you think. Well, and about getting skills, it’s not only gravity to carry the example of blacks in the USA under equal conditions, I think, is quite indicative.
            2. Tank hard 19 January 2020 22: 49 New
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              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              I just don’t want to. But no arguing against Darwin - the fittest survives. Which will breed in spite of any conditions

              Surviving is not the strongest, not the smartest ... Surviving the most united and prepared. repeat
              1. AU Ivanov. 19 January 2020 22: 50 New
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                But we have nothing to do with united people.
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                  Quote: AU Ivanov.
                  And we have nothing to do with united

                  You - yes ... But mine are simply gone ... request
          2. Victor N 20 January 2020 13: 48 New
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            Concern for the welfare of offspring smoothly passes into extinction. Alas! Myself can be deceived, but nature is impossible.
  • lucul 19 January 2020 16: 59 New
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    And then, you need to include incentives and motivation ..

    The first step is to cut the ideology of the body cult. The cult of the body, at one time ruined Greece, when no one wanted to go to war, so God forbid to become a cripple.
    The current standard (as they impose on us) is Inusta-hens, an escort woman, but not a woman-mother.
    What is propaganda broadcasting? Look at how this one looks ... in your 40-50-60 years old, what an ideal body - and you all (girls) should strive for this. Now a new trend - they began to fast - see what a terrible woman becomes after childbirth, what an ugly body, etc. And this propaganda works, look at what our 16-20 year old girls are doing. Yes, they give birth only if they want to tie the peasant to themselves, or because something that the parents said .... Such a concept - the joy of motherhood is no longer familiar to anyone, it's like a curse.
    The second alarming trend is animals. Somehow, Julius Caesar was in Asia Minor, and small handmade monkeys were extremely popular among nobles, they sewed clothes on them, they were dressed in gold and simply worn “in their arms”, this was the latest fashion thing at that time. So, Caesar was shown these monkeys, and all that aura of their adoration around. Caesar’s answer was simple and deep at the same time - he directly said “why don’t women give birth to children in this city?” That is, with a half poke, he immediately revealed the deepest problems in this society.
    Why am I, a person of age is characterized by caring for his neighbor - it manifests itself well when age approaches grandparents, roughly speaking, nature provided for the care of grandchildren. So if the grandchildren are full, then the instinct is satisfied. But now there is a powerful trend for kitties / doggies and other animals. That is, a person subconsciously transfers all unspent love from children to animals, takes care of them as children - and already thoughts about their children / grandchildren no longer arise - the instinct is satisfied.
    You see how competently and from different angles, puppeteers strike a blow to fertility? And these are only two views on the problem - two picture puzzles, but in fact there are much more.
    1. GKS 2111 19 January 2020 17: 34 New
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      A lot of children, a lot of happiness! I wish that love, loyalty, mutual understanding and, of course, happiness always reigned in your families! Let every moment spent next to your family bring you only joy, smiles, harmony in your soul and good mood!

      Mothers with many children are daughters of God!
      You are the beauties of the world and the joy of heaven!
      Smile cute and look strictly
      Keeping the calm of children's hearts.

      Constantly amid the ringing of native voices
      You carry your feat of love and kindness,
      Flourishing soul among fragile flowers,
      You give them all your storehouse of heat.

      It’s not easy for you sometimes, and sometimes even hard;
      All matters and cares must be endured.
      And you endure silently and rule wisely,
      After all, you have a lot to do in life.

      With the Baptism of the Lord all !!! May this bright holiday bring grace and peace to the house, good and understanding - to the family, love and joy - to the heart, responsiveness and sincerity - to the soul, happiness and good luck - to life!
    2. victor50 23 January 2020 15: 44 New
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      Such a concept as the joy of motherhood is no longer familiar to anyone, it is like a curse.

      I think about all of you, you said to enhance the effect. The rest - oh, how right! Unfortunately.
  • antivirus 19 January 2020 19: 05 New
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    but in a capitalist society and today's consumer ideology, this is impossible.
    - as a minimum there must be isolationism and protectionism (WITHOUT WTO) - ALL MONEY TO THE FAMILY AND TO THE COUNTRY
  • Titsen 20 January 2020 00: 11 New
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    Delusional custom article!
  • Victor N 20 January 2020 12: 19 New
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    As you know, only the Lord God gives reliable guarantees; state guarantees are not enough. Svarog is doomed to be childless if he does not believe in his strength.
  • AleBors 20 January 2020 12: 36 New
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    That's for sure. What future can we talk about if no one knows what will happen tomorrow?
  • ser56 21 January 2020 14: 31 New
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    Hard to imagine

    you don’t need to transfer your problems to others, any normally educated person thinks about family and children ...
    Quote: Svarog
    in order to give birth, a person must understand that milk in 2030 will cost the same as in 2025 ... well, or grow by a ruble, that they will not kick from work when you turn 40.

    1) The future cannot be known, this is the main charm of life ...
    2) Children are not born for financial analysis. and for the joy of communicating with them and prolonging life ...
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    but under capitalist society

    funny logic - our grandfathers / grandmothers and great-grandfathers / grandmothers calmly gave birth under capitalism ...

    By the way, I have 4 children ... hi It would be wise to indicate in the comments - who has how many ... otherwise theorists divorced ... bully
  • victor50 23 January 2020 15: 22 New
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    It is hard to imagine that a 20-year-old or 25-year-old young man would think about old age and decide to create a large family under the influence of the motivation given in the article ..

    It may work over time. In general, I liked the article. As well as your comment.
  • alavrin 19 January 2020 16: 26 New
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    In which countries was maternity capital? Yes, in the same Libya under Gaddafi:
    "For each member of the family, the state paid $ 1 in subsidies per year.
    Unemployment benefit - 730 $.
    ... The salary of a nurse is $ 1.
    For each newborn, 7 000 $ is paid.
    The newlyweds are given 64 000 $ for the purchase of an apartment.
    At the opening of a personal business one-time financial assistance - 20 000 $.
    Education and medicine are free.
    Education and training abroad - at the expense of the state.
    A network of shops for large families with symbolic prices for staple foods.
    Part of the pharmacies - with the free release of drugs.
    The rent is absent.
    There is no payment for electricity for the population.
    Credits to buy a car and an apartment are interest free.
    Up to 50% purchase of a car is paid by the state, 65% by militia fighters. "
    1. Vadim237 19 January 2020 16: 55 New
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      And where is Gaddafi now and what is now in Libya with all the benefits you listed?
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        Quote: Vadim237
        And where is Gaddafi now and what is now in Libya with all the benefits you listed?

        And who is to blame? Which country had a hand in the fall of Gaddafi and the social and socialist system in Libya?
        And what do you personally, Vadim, offer against this Libyan background in Russia?

        US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, learning about the death of Muammar Gaddafi via sms, shone and exclaimed: "Wow" ("Wow!"). ... After reading the message about the capture of Gaddafi by the rebels and his death, Clinton exclaimed joyfully: "Wow!" (Wow!").
        Moreover, the Secretary of State looked happy and laughed merrily at the journalist who was interviewing her. Paraphrasing the famous phrase of the Roman commander Julius Caesar: “He came, saw, won,” Clinton said with a laugh: “They came, saw, he died.” It should be noted that On October 18, 2011, Clinton flew to Tripoli to negotiate with the leaders of the PNS. And Gaddafi was killed on October 20, 2011!

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          Where did you see socialism in Libya.
          According to Gaddafi, the Libyan cultural revolution, unlike the Chinese cultural revolution, did not introduce anything new, but rather marked a return to the Arab and Islamic heritage. Since 1979, Shariah laws have been introduced in the country. Well, the Communists Gaddafi pursued.
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            Quote: AS Ivanov
            Where did you see socialism in Libya. Since 1979, Shariah laws have been introduced in the country.

            When Gaddafi in northern Africa in Libya was a secular regime - the only one in North Africa. Gaddafi led the Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya.

            REFERENCE
            Muammar Gaddafi. Libyan revolutionary, statesman and military leader, politician and publicist; the de facto head of Libya in 1969-2011, Chairman of the Council of the Revolutionary Command, Prime Minister and Minister of Defense of Libya, Secretary General of the General People's Congress; Colonel, supreme commander of the armed forces of Libya. After Gaddafi refused all posts, he became known as the Brotherly Leader and leader of the September Great Revolution of the Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya or Brotherly Leaderl and the leader of the revolution.

            Libya. How was it with Gaddafi and how without him? 20.10.2016/1/23 - News on Channel 2016. Published: Oct XNUMX XNUMX year
    2. Fan-fan 19 January 2020 20: 47 New
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      I also drew attention to the words of the author:
      And in which country is there still maternity capital, which for some reason is taken for granted?

      And he wasn’t too lazy, he went over the Internet, and in a hurry he found:
      В Germany parents receive payments for all children under the age of 18, and in some cases up to 25 years. The amount of this allowance depends on the number of children in the family: for the first and second children, parents receive 194 euros per month. The state allocates 200 euros to the family for the maintenance of the third, and 225 euros for the fourth
      В Czech Republic at birth, they immediately pay $ 630. The monthly allowance there is $ 150.
      In France at birth, they immediately pay $ 1200, but not to the rich, that is, 85% of French families receive this payment. Childcare allowance is just over $ 200.
      В Poland Parents receive payments for all children under the age of 18 years. The amount of the monthly allowance will be 500 zlotys (127 euros) for each child.
      Count the Poles: 127 euros * 12 months * 18 years = 27432 euros, a little less than 2 million rubles. Well, how do you compare this with our payouts?
  • Vasily Ponomarev 19 January 2020 16: 38 New
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    What kind of upcoming revolution in engine building did your son see?
    1. Blacksmith 55 19 January 2020 16: 51 New
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      I think an electric car, the internal combustion engine is becoming obsolete. Although the author himself must answer.
      1. sergey32 19 January 2020 17: 00 New
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        Yes, the son believes that the day is near when effective batteries will appear. And I believe that for a deep space flight a nuclear engine is on its way.
        1. Thrifty 19 January 2020 17: 37 New
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          Sergey 32-core engine is only good for flying in the aisles of our solar system! For flights beyond its aisles, engines that use the energy of the fields, the so-called field engines, are needed! For in interstellar space there is a mass of force fields, mainly based on magnetism. These engines are the future of interstellar flights. True, all information about attempts to create and test such engines on prototypes that were mistaken for UFOs is kept secret forever.
          1. Sergey39 19 January 2020 19: 30 New
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            Deep space now is beyond the limits of orbits around the Earth.
      2. Mikhail m 19 January 2020 20: 03 New
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        If we consider the efficiency of an electric car, starting with the generation of electricity at a power plant, then it is much less environmentally friendly than an internal combustion engine. Losses in energy production, transmission through power lines, battery charging, self-discharge ... This is not counting environmental problems with the production and disposal of batteries. Well, in winter, taking into account the need to heat the passenger compartment and drop in battery capacity at low temperatures, the electric car is simply nonsense.
  • Radikal 19 January 2020 16: 44 New
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    .... Marginal parents ...
    Who is this with you? winked
    1. sergey32 19 January 2020 17: 03 New
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      Alcoholics, drug addicts, parents who abandoned their children ...
  • ssergey1978 19 January 2020 16: 44 New
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    Well, a man has not seen the whole world of white light trying to survive, but here he swallowed fresh air and sang diframbs. Parents of alcoholics did not please him (they cut their pensions). That is why there are so many slaves in us? And another such thinker will decide that you, too, did not cope with the decision of dimography (there are a lot of girls in the family), you also have a smaller pension.
  • Kleber 19 January 2020 16: 48 New
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    In general, in sociology there is a formula: "The poorer and more uneducated the population, the higher the birth rate."
  • Igor Pa 19 January 2020 16: 48 New
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    You would be nominated as a deputy!
  • Van 16 19 January 2020 16: 49 New
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    Firstly, respect to the author, four children is great, he is well done, without any irony.
    And secondly, to be honest, a strange article, just a listing of personal events, plus a couple of easy reasoning, maybe I read inattentively, but ...
    1. sergey32 19 January 2020 18: 17 New
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      Yes, I have little experience writing articles. What did you want to say? Not only military muscles need to be strengthened (although this is extremely important), but also actively multiply, otherwise we will surrender the country upon its extinction. And the state here can only help, but not do it.
      1. Van 16 19 January 2020 18: 49 New
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        I absolutely agree with this. And experience is acquired, good luck!
      2. polar fox 19 January 2020 19: 21 New
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        Quote: sergey32
        otherwise we’ll surrender the country upon its extinction.

        and he dumped in Moscow ... handsome, cho. my nephew also left for Moscow. also a medalist. the house is full with work-seams in the Urals ... my classmate has a daughter. medalist and a red diploma in physical education ... barely arranged for 10 tyrov by profession ... more or less. and that’s all right, you can sing praises. Yes, there are also four or two guys and a couple of girls, but one foster ...
        1. sergey32 19 January 2020 22: 29 New
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          I work in Moscow. Maybe for you it's not Russia. And from childhood I was taught that the capital of our Motherland is the hero city of Moscow. For her grandfathers stood.
  • Vladimir Mashkov 19 January 2020 16: 50 New
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    HUGE respect for the father of many children, the author of this article, Sergey, not only for this article, but also for his firm life position, for beautiful children! He is a hard worker, it is a great labor to give birth and, not November, not whining, raise children, whom he is deservedly proud of. I am convinced that neither he nor his children will ever become either liberals or dissidents, they will not run away, emigrate to a place where there is more fat stew, but they will create their own families and will be such patriots of Russia as their father!
  • sabakina 19 January 2020 17: 17 New
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    It is worth considering the return of the childless tax as it was in the Union. Only childless citizens should pay it, not from the age of 18, but, for example, from the age of 25,
    Author, are you really that or are you pretending to be? I was born in 1967 when the best films were made. What did you give birth to? Buy-sell? When everyone was bent over the delay in salaries ... What did he trade? Candy-lamb in three ways? I know such people in my porch and at home. They spit on everyone. Author, YOU are on Mammoths and not Tretyakov! As for the children in VO .. I don’t have my children, but I managed to raise my daughter’s daughter, she graduated from graduate school, though not in Moscow, but in Kostroma. Well, then I don’t buy-sell ... So shut up about your miserable life!
    1. sergey32 19 January 2020 17: 26 New
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      But you do not shut me up and do not poke me, you did not sit in the same sandbox. Read carefully, always engaged in PRODUCTION.
      1. sabakina 19 January 2020 17: 33 New
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        And I have a poke! otherwise I would not write! What, a metallurgical plant was built? Oh yes, plastic windows or furniture production! Will you be an opponent?
        1. sergey32 19 January 2020 17: 37 New
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          First a bakery, then a pastry. After all, I wrote in Russian small business. Which metallurgical plant?
          1. Stirbjorn 19 January 2020 17: 51 New
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            Quote: sergey32
            First a bakery, then a pastry. He wrote a small business in Russian. Which metallurgical plant?

            I apologize that I’m crawling into your dialogue - what then did the Ukrainians ruin your business for, as did the fall of the ruble?
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              My product had components that were not available at that time. The cost of imported, and soon domestic, raw materials (sugar) rose sharply, and the monopolist network did not agree on an increase in the selling price of our products. Opportunities to temporarily close the resulting cash gap with credit also remained.
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            Quote: sergey32
            First a bakery, then a pastry. After all, I wrote in Russian small business. Which metallurgical plant?

            I don’t even know how to answer you ... Small it’s small, but how much you fought with buyers to build a house near the reservoir and send children to the VO? I do not claim that everyone is completely stupid, but apparently, you did bring someone to someone.
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              Quote: sabakina
              I do not claim that everyone is completely stupid, but apparently, you did bring someone to someone.

              Well, the daughter at the Higher School of Economics at the most prestigious faculty, herself from another region, and without blat-drifts - Damn, what a fairy tale ?!
              1. sergey32 19 January 2020 18: 32 New
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                How insightful you are. belay I’ll unload a couple of trucks and immediately go to the HSE to pay bribes. laughing I wrote because I entered only this academic year, when I already had nothing. USE 290 points in three subjects. She went back to MGIMO, Plekhanovka, Moscow State University, but chose the HSE. Now one of the best on the course.
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                  Quote: sergey32
                  How insightful you are. belay I’ll unload a couple of trucks and immediately go to the HSE to pay bribes. laughing I wrote because I entered only this academic year, when I already had nothing. USE 290 points in three subjects. She went back to MGIMO, Plekhanovka, Moscow State University, but chose the HSE. Now one of the best on the course.

                  Well, everything is clear, of course, every second of the common people there is a complete idyll! wassat
                  Quote: sergey32
                  My product had components that were not available at that time. The cost of imported, and soon domestic raw materials (sugar) rose sharply
                  Sugar doubled, because of the Ukrainians ?!
                  Okay, sorry, I got in ... if there were doubts about the veracity of the article at the beginning, now it’s clear completely ... I won’t interfere with the local cheers-patriotic audience to quack enthusiastically, otherwise Roman brings doubts into their brains, here’s a count fellow ... recalls the Inhabited Island of the Strugatsky with its radiating towers
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                    You know, you are right again. You write below that I am a WATER philistine, moreover, I am still a terrible COLORAD. But I oppose Roman only specifically in his article. And in 2014, I sent him my confectionery to Voronezh, so that he would bring New Year's gifts to disabled children in the LPR. So he is also a VATNIK.
              2. AU Ivanov. 19 January 2020 19: 41 New
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                And communication is a business. Your capital is the same as education and qualifications. As the Russian proverb says: "Do not have a hundred rubles ..."
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                  Quote: AU Ivanov.
                  As the Russian proverb says: "Do not have a hundred rubles ..."

                  ... and have one brazen face (s)

                  Nothing personal, recalled from childhood request
        2. AU Ivanov. 19 January 2020 18: 28 New
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          And you try to open at least an elementary online store. Weak? Therefore, you have advice - twist your nuts, or what you do there and do not try to give advice to people who have achieved something in life.
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            You bent the online store, here you must first open the stall and try to open it so that after six months it does not bend.
    2. AU Ivanov. 19 January 2020 17: 28 New
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      Well, if you did not have the mind to create your own business, do not blame others for it.
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        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        Well, if you did not have the mind to create your own business, do not blame others for it.

        Hey, why are you sitting with such a mind and in VO? It's time for you to premiere ...
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          Why don't I sit in VO? Or is it just the prerogative of old scoops? Yes, and at the premiere, well, there is no desire - it's troublesome.
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            it’s troublesome.
            Something on the faces of officials and the Prime Minister personally does not see that it is troublesome. Yes, and do not drive them from their homes, something does not voluntarily leave.
            1. AU Ivanov. 19 January 2020 21: 25 New
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              No, I'd rather vegetate on free breads. And there the sun is nearby, you can get burned, and even fall high, in which case.
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                Well, they say over there, Medvedev “fell”, but it does not seem to hurt him.
                1. AU Ivanov. 19 January 2020 21: 43 New
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                  Just like that. From a second-person state position to a purely nominal freelance goat drummer? Soon as Gryzlov: he will reach the trustee of some fund there. It's common, right?
    3. Stirbjorn 19 January 2020 20: 47 New
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      What did you give birth to? Buy-sell? When everyone was bent over the delay in salaries ... What did he trade? Candy-lamb in three ways?

      Apparently, the author imported sweets from Ukraine, but here he only packed and resold it in stores. Therefore, it burned out when their mess began, the suppliers were covered, and the market was already divided up by the domestic outbid.
      1. Edmond dantes 20 January 2020 11: 07 New
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        Can you read? The author did not write that I was buying something in Sumeria. He wrote because of sanctions and exchange rates, commodity prices jumped.
  • Nimnul 19 January 2020 17: 29 New
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    My grandmother (she is alive, she is 89 years old) grew up in a large family (seven children). All brothers fought at the front. Two brothers were captured in 1941 (they survived and were released), 1 brother went missing, 1 brother died in 1943, only the youngest returned from the war, almost without seeing all the horror, because was mobilized only at the end of 1944. Father was not taken to the front, because in the chest sat a bullet from the Finnish campaign. Grandmother and her older sister went on a terrible hunger strike ... What are the consequences? Grandfather Dmitry, who returned from captivity, had only two children. Grandfather Tikhon, who also returned from captivity, could not have children. Grandfather Ivan, who died during the liberation of Velikiye Luki, managed to have only one child before the war. Grandfather Vasily (the youngest) died after the war, not having time to start a family. Grandfather Aleksey, who was missing, before the war, managed to acquire also only one child. Grandmother Tanya (my grandmother's sister) gave birth to two children and my grandmother Anya - three. The Great Patriotic War is still "awkward" to us, because because of it, a lot of children were not born in subsequent years. And this is only a private example ... But in the war, our state did not protect the soldiers. How many cannon fodder! Now there is no war, but the state is just as brutal as 100 years and 80 years ago refers to its people ... By the way, I have two children ...
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      Nikolay, my respect and respect ..
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    The author is well done! Raised 4 children. This is good.
    But I have different outlooks on life in modern Russia. I was born in the late 80s and grew up in the 90s in a poor family, respectively, where my mom and dad were state employees and they weren’t paid half a year, and my grandmother wasn’t paid a pension either. REALLY there was only enough money for bread. Only the garden saved it, since we lived in the 10th district center of the Vologda Oblast.
    So this ***** th state went to one place. And the childless tax is complete nonsense.
    And so soon we will pay tax for air with our impudent so-called state. Let the oil and gas oligarchs tax this “state” even from head to toe. And this state has not given me anything for all 32 years.
    1. Fan-fan 19 January 2020 21: 02 New
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      I fully support, I have two children, the same thing - I did not see any help from the state, I paid for everything except for children at school.
    2. Victor N 20 January 2020 14: 28 New
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      How can the idea of ​​WAITING for help from someone come to a healthy mind ?!
      And WE inherited from OUR ancestors to fulfill civic duties. ABC.
  • rocket757 19 January 2020 17: 49 New
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    We are far from ..... no matter what a completely backward state.
    You can of course be in a state of survival, you can live quite normally (each with its own standards).
    Not harder than a lot elsewhere!
    On the "dear" state, many claims can be made, for the matter besides. But then the person himself must answer for his actions or lack thereof.
    Dependence, for no good reason, is EVIL! It corrupts.
    To be a man, a citizen, there are many things, including the ability to care not only about oneself, the ability to be responsible for one’s actions.
  • sabakina 19 January 2020 17: 56 New
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    Yes, the son believes that the day is near when effective batteries will appear. And I believe that for a deep space flight a nuclear engine is on its way.

    Your son finely swims. I saw how cars fly. wink
  • knn54 19 January 2020 17: 58 New
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    Regarding the tax on childlessness. First you need to revive free medicine, education, housing and a guarantee of employment with decent pay. And in short, CONFIDENCE in the future.
    The first case, when the predatory banking% is justified. Of which more (except for some republics of the former USSR) are nowhere to be found.
    26% of the population live below the poverty line, and more than 1,5 million rubles a year are allocated for the maintenance of a Duma deputy.
    And again about the tax on childlessness. It will end up with the fact that the salary will again be given out in envelopes. And the maintenance of the child will cost much more than 6%.
    1. AU Ivanov. 19 January 2020 19: 26 New
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      We have 450 deputies under the Constitution. Total 675 million rubles. Divided by 30 million poor, we get about 22 rubles. In year. Or a month a box of matches for everyone in need. The poor just burst with happiness.
  • Tests 19 January 2020 18: 04 New
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    A long time ago on the site in the comments, they came to the conclusion that the state - the Russian Federation every year tries to life 10%, those who are richer make it sweeter, and on all the rest, the support of our state - the bureaucracy municipal, regional and federal - do not care, sneeze or cough ... What support for fertility from the mat. capital is real - you need to disassemble for each region, taking into account the family lives in the city or in the village, what and how dad earns, what and how mom earns. Bureaucracy measures everything in the country "on average." The country is too huge, different nations, lifestyles and traditions. In St. Petersburg, what a mat. can capital be bought from housing? And in Moscow? And in Vologda, you can already pay for the floor of a small room. And in Veliky Ustyug - the room is easy. True, work with a white salary in small towns and villages of the Vologda and Arkhangelsk regions cannot be found during the day with fire, only a kindergarten school, post office, hospitals in some places, that's all ....
    I didn’t hear that someone is mom for a future retirement mat. capital set aside. And after the next pension reform, the people have practically no hope of retirement. I gave an example on the site of my wife’s teacher’s salary in an ordinary school with 1 category, with an experience of more than 30 years at 1,3 rates in the Far North in Severodvinsk - 24 rubles in my hands. At the same time, the President of the Russian Federation claims, speaking on television, that he has ensured that all teachers in the country at a rate receive an average salary in the region (in the Arkhangelsk region - 000 rubles). In Severodvinsk, the minimum wage from 48 - more than 000 rubles ... Hee hee hee shift watch at the school receives a bet more than my wife a teacher at the rate. And why did you study? The Russian Federation took seniority at the institute, ceased to count in the total seniority, left only a month of the construction team - it was recorded in the work book. A trip in September to the 01.01.2020st year at the collective farm was not recorded in the wife’s labor record and she is not in the FIU of the Russian Federation. The wife laughs, they say, she didn’t do well at the University, but go to a regular teacher's college — otherwise the country would have stolen 26 years of experience. And next to her, people working at a school with a Soviet-era university are working ... What the Government and the President of the Russian Federation did not know about the child allowance of 000 rubles ?! Who signed the documents in the Kremlin to apply a decreasing coefficient to military pensioners' pensions (and not to increase their pensions by 1% annually in February) and not to index pensions in October, by the percentage of inflation last year (except for former FSB employees and prosecutors)? Who leveled a pensioner - a former convict, that "he defended by purely 6 finger" and my father-in-law, who came to SEVMASH in 50 after graduating from a technical school and received the Order of the Red Banner of Labor and several USSR medals and the Russian Federation for tests in the seas of several nuclear submarines - with the same payment of 2 rubles, while did your father-in-law receive 1 disability group and was he over 1953 years old?
    And yet, for most of the residents of the Russian Federation, the novation of labor law was not noticeable. Now the fact of working with an individual entrepreneur or in an enterprise, in court is proved only on the basis of documents, testimonies of witnesses for the court today are not evidence. And the country’s labor book decided to make electronic ...
    The author asks who besides us brings up our children. Yes, the state, by examples, as children of the inner circle sit in soft chairs in the largest banks, state corporations, as, sometimes, tons are taken out of real colonels of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB, as orders are received by those who walk around the stage or tell tales on television sitting in The State Duma ... There are no very important things in the country that were in the USSR - confidence in the future and justice, and most importantly - and in the future they are not visible ...
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      The Russian Federation took the experience of studying at the institute ceased to be considered in the total working experience

      In my opinion, it was generally illegal to remove those years from whose experience they were already considered. If it was the urge to withdraw these years, then honestly it was necessary to do this from the moment the law was passed, and not roll back.
      The most interesting thing is that now all the benefits are obtained if a person started working at 18. No institute. By a strange coincidence, only those who immediately went to military schools after school fit into these conditions.
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      Yes, the state, by examples, as children of the inner circle sit in soft chairs in the largest banks, state corporations, as, sometimes, tons are taken out of real colonels of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB, as orders are received by those who walk around the stage or tell tales on television sitting in State Duma ..

      Here I personally have the feeling that the country is like pieces of a small mosaic being separated from each other and the further you go, the more complicated this mosaic will be. Examples of this mass, in all areas.
  • Mordvin 3 19 January 2020 18: 08 New
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    And the payment of maternity capital is the very tax on the very thing that prevents the dancer from all over the country.
  • Stirbjorn 19 January 2020 18: 18 New
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    So, I turn to the main thing. Before, I didn’t particularly like our government, who likes to pay taxes and high interest on loans?
    That's your whole civic position ?!
    Then he began to think: after all, all my children, thanks to their diligence and our efforts with my spouse, honestly, without any blat, have a real opportunity to get an excellent education at the expense of the budget in the best universities of the country.
    Well, really, noodles, what kind of "planet of pink ponies"
    And children, future taxpayers, are needed by the state, but they are much more important to us, parents. Does anyone else know a way to throw their genes into the future? Yes, raising children is difficult, sometimes it seems unbearable. Raising them with people is even more difficult. But who will do this except us?
    Free medicine, education, employment opportunities in the specialty, in the form of factories - are we all too ?! And why the state then. Why does everything rest on the motherboard ?! - it is necessary for young parents to provide normal housing, medicine, kindergartens in the end. And so type give birth to children for denyuzhku, new serf .. oh sorry taxpayers.

    The article, I'm sorry, is some cotton man who opposes Roman from his couch. I don’t want to offend anyone, just these cliches again, “you have to rely on yourself, and there they’re sitting smarter at the top, they know better”
  • Kronos 19 January 2020 18: 20 New
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    The fall in fertility is an objective process of the development of civilization. The more technology and people develop, the less they have children. Many children where there is great poverty and no development.
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      Many children where there is great poverty and no development.

      And we do not have development, and fertility. Paradox. laughing
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        But still, the level of consciousness of people is still high. Why do you think they are planting religion?
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          what do you think religion is planted for?

          Well, certainly not to increase the birth rate! laughing Religion and control theory have a direct relationship.
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            And to increase too
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              Side effect and very minimal.
  • BAI
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    But to provide that part of the pension depended on the amount of income to the pension fund from the children of the pensioner.

    A person is sick, cannot have children. She cannot adopt either - there are a number of reasons for which there is no legislative provision and these reasons do not depend on him (the same diseases). What to do with equality or equality before the law, etc.?
    At the expense of pensions - it is necessary to raise the question that deductions from income from the use of cars that push people out of the labor market go to the pension fund.
  • Ryaruav 19 January 2020 18: 22 New
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    Respect for red diplomas of daughters (usually for children it all depends on the parental example and upbringing) two and the eldest graduated from the pie and the youngest had two red academies of military air defense, but the author was very lucky with his production, held out for a long time and studied political economy poorly at the university about the absorption of larger smaller and these praises to the government of villains and others like me, it touches me, a person specifically stands on the positions of the lumpen proletariat
  • Yura 19 January 2020 18: 42 New
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    The words of a man. No snot. The offer is sensible.
  • Stirbjorn 19 January 2020 18: 55 New
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    I'll tell you a recent case. I go into the subway car. Two guys came in front of me, in appearance and dialect he identified the Chechens. They sat down, I stood. One immediately jumped up and invited me to sit down. I say I won’t sit. He did not sit down. I won’t sit down, he answers until you sit down. Then the seats were vacated, I had to sit down, and he immediately sat down. He says that they educate us so that you can’t sit if the eldest is standing. Is this not an example of the upbringing of the young generation? Moreover, domestic.
    And what Chechens have a special look and talk ?! An author from the Caucasus himself ?! How do they look so different from Dagestanis, Ingush, Kabardins, Dargins and other peoples of the North Caucasus ?! Nonsense is some kind of word of ches - just so they faced a stranger uncle in the subway in Moscow and like not sit down. Some kind of bearded story already repeated many times in such articles .... well, the conclusion suggests itself (the same bearded one), such as not to blame the state, but to parents who bring it up like that.
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      A student in a hostel lived for several months in a room with 2 Chechens and an Avar. Yes, I knew many in training, I liked to get up with them in sparings. And in the subway I talked with the guy a little. You judge all by yourself.
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        You judge all by yourself.

        No, I just think that your whole article is fictitious, written in some kind of cliche, in order to raise the dull spirit of the local couch army, after reading critical articles by other authors. Including your stories about Chechens hi
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          I never tire of admiring your insight. I am a full-time propagandist at VO. Often I push articles here with a frequency of 6 and a half years. Check by profile. I don’t know only where the money is paid for them. Do not tell me?
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      And what Chechens have a special look and talk ?! An author from the Caucasus himself ?! How do they seem so different from Dagestanis, Ingush, Kabardins, Dargins and other peoples of the North Caucasus

      The accent among Chechens and Ingush is similar, it differs from the accents of other immigrants from the Caucasus.
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    Sergey32 Thank you very much for the article! It's nice to read a thinking person hi
  • Ge⁣⁣o 19 January 2020 19: 14 New
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    I had to bow to the network, and there are such conditions that if you have at least minimal profit, rejoice that you are not at a loss

    Monopsony for manufacturers, monopoly for buyers. Networks and aggregators, squeezing between the manufacturer and the buyer, at first promise both the best conditions, and having taken the place of laying, they begin mercilessly to milk both, becoming masters of the situation. This is the whole point of these forms of business. And it is very dangerous
  • vindigo 19 January 2020 19: 23 New
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    The article is a fierce naivete of a man divorced from reality.
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      Why, he was just lucky to get settled in Moscow. The problem is that this is an exception, and most of the people have to vegetate. If he had been without work with young children, the situation would have been worse. In my second marriage I have three, the older 5, a mortgage. Where should I jerk to which Moscow? I work informally, s / n a little higher than the average for the region, but what is this forty for 5 people? Close to barely barely.
      It is just that the author judges ONLY from his own experience, in complete isolation from the situation as a whole.
  • Mihail80 19 January 2020 19: 24 New
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    Wonderful article. The author of the article is of great respect. Such purposeful and persistent people still need to look for, a good example for many whiners.
    Yes, a difficult time now, yes, it is difficult to raise children. Well, how else? Do not give birth at all, as instagram divas suggest?
    Yes, it will always be so, no matter how well they live, they will always be dissatisfied.
  • The popuas 19 January 2020 19: 38 New
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    About how, a businessman of 90, rather a smoke break tells how to raise 4 children! Let this businessman tell you how many children his workers have. bully
    1. AU Ivanov. 19 January 2020 19: 55 New
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      You can grow. He himself raised, though not four, but three, in troubled times. Nothing, raised, my kids have already taken place in life. Yes, in addition to the main work, I had to drive and shuttle and wagons to drive along the winter roads. How many children do workers have? This is their personal business, the willing is seeking opportunities, the unwilling is the cause.
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        No minus winked the five of us parents raised us in 90, I’m having a hard time growing two in such a wonderful time. I work at the factory! So I wrote an outbid, like you Ivanov shuttle. I came to the conclusion that everyone who drowns here for the current government is “hucksters,” speculators and officials hi
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          At the moment, I am a representative of the most vulnerable segment of the population - a pensioner. Concurrently - an entrepreneur (although he could have sat on the couch). Not trade. By the way, without "hucksters", you would more likely be standing in lines for meat there, winter boots, or toilet paper. And they shouted: "Wherever you go, you were not standing here!"
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            without huckster

            In general, I always thought that the huckster is a buyer stolen. request
        2. Golovan Jack 19 January 2020 20: 09 New
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          I work in production

          What do you do, buddy? How do you work? wink

          Quote: Popuas
          I came to the conclusion that everyone who drowns here for the current government is the "huckster", speculators and officials

          Wrong conclusion laughing
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            The correct conclusion is that you and others like you have not mentioned, so you have a job here. laughing
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              you have a job here

              No, my friend, you are mistaken. My work is very different. And here I rest my soul, on people like you, gazedly ...

              So what are you producing, manufacturer? wink
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          I came to the conclusion that everyone who drowns here for the current government is the "huckster", speculators and officials

          Well, there are ordinary people who live on TV news, believe in stories about Grudinin, Levchenko, etc., diligently vote for Edro and GDP. Such always exist, and at all times support the current government, regardless of its affiliation. They just don’t think with their own mind, but they listen to what they’re letting them down from above, such as they know better.
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            They just don’t think with their own mind, but they listen to what they’re letting down from above, such as

            It's good to consider yourself smart, right? Beloved and unique.

            You are ridiculous. Yes, the previous opponent ended somehow ... drag the spare laughing
            1. Stirbjorn 19 January 2020 22: 32 New
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              You are ridiculous. Yes, the previous opponent ended somehow ... drag the spare

              Pussycat, is there any sense in opposing you ?! With your manner of communication, anyway, you’ll soon leave for the ban, only now with your doggie! fellow
              1. Golovan Jack 19 January 2020 22: 39 New
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                Kisa

                (thoughtfully, aside): Once there was once one "cat lover", but it ended ... now now there are already two. All will pass yes
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                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  (thoughtfully, aside): Once there was once one "cat lover", but it ended ... now now there are already two. All will pass

                  repeat
                  Second Lieutenant Oak took under the peak and, leaving, threw Schweik:
                  - I bet you can’t escape the loop!
                  When Oak left, Schweik, with a touch of amusement, turned to Lieutenant Lukas:
                  - In Mnichovy Gradiste there was one such gentleman. He said the same thing to another gentleman, and he answered him: "We will meet under the gallows."
                2. Ingvar 72 20 January 2020 09: 54 New
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                  Once there was once one "cat lover", but ended ...

                  Are you talking about me, pussycat? So I did not end anywhere, do not slander. Although you try to pair with your guard.
                  You’d better not call the dumb questions, but you yourself answer how many children they gave life to, how they brought it up. wink
                  And then listen to what a successful system administrator you are in the barging office is already sick. negative
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                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Are you talking about me, pussycat?

                    No, you are just one of the remaining laughing

                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    So I did not end anywhere, do not slander

                    We will go through (s) request

                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Although you try to pair with your guard

                    If possible - in more detail, about my efforts and everything else. It can be very interesting wink

                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    You’d better not call the dumb questions

                    Man, you have a bad habit of declaring questions you don't understand personally stupid. In life, this greatly interferes. To you, by the way.

                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    and they answered how many children they gave life to, how they brought up

                    Do I owe you a report? And why did you decide that, buddy? belay

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                    you are a successful sysadmin in a barging shop

                    Two mistakes in one phrase. Semantic. Bored with you, Ingvar, I want to sleep from you negative
        4. Edmond dantes 20 January 2020 11: 23 New
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          Well, if you think that "bumming" is so simple, why don’t you try it yourself? Or does proletarian pride not allow it?
    2. vindigo 19 January 2020 20: 03 New
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      and "smoke break" is who? I do not remember such a term.
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        I did not have time to edit ... Outbid.
  • comradChe 19 January 2020 19: 44 New
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    It is strange for me personally that the fact that under an article with such a positive attitude towards the existing regime is a signature. --- Sergey 32. Is the author afraid of something or is he ashamed of his true story of his own life? But isn't he a custom-made writer?
  • Nonna 19 January 2020 20: 01 New
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    Why squeeze such articles here. How they live in Moscow and what kind of earnings there we already know. Every fifth ruble settles there, so the whole Russian woman from the province escapes there. What is there to draw graphics - Moscow, like a cancerous tumor, sucks out all the money and all potential from the country. So what do you order - all 145 million rush there? I don’t know that a comrade sings praises to this regime - he takes credit for the capital, benefits. also thanks for draconian taxes ?! He talks about five works. And why is my classmate in Germany working for 30 years at one pharmaceutical company, they will receive 2400 euros with two days off and the working day lasts 7. 45 minutes in one place and one does not care about any pension genocide? And in Russia, who does not steal, he must five work work, so as not to die the whole family? In short, uncle, you could survive, adapt, make a fuss, timely cut through, where money can be cut down - well done. Keeping a family is the main thing. But there is no politician from you - the whole article is like a reasoning of some regional edrosovskiy deputy
    1. Dimy4 20 January 2020 08: 54 New
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      But in Russia, who does not steal, should he work at five jobs so as not to die as a family?

      Another option - or to be hunched over by a trucker, like a neighbor who has not seen his family for months and only calls in to drink a cup of tea and change his linen. Or to go to distant places on duty, at least for six months.
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    3. Vadim237 20 January 2020 14: 19 New
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      Moscow and the region have an annual GDP of 28 trillion rubles: hundreds of factories, factories, institutes, design bureaus, a large population, a huge service sector, tens of thousands of small producers - in fact, they are a donor to subsidize other regions and taxes from the regions go to the state budget, and not to Moscow itself. On regional subsidies in the budget for this year
  • Vadim T. 19 January 2020 20: 51 New
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    I strongly disagree with the author of the article. Himself from a large family, and now he has three students. The author suggests that they, without having yet received a higher education and at least some work experience, begin to deduct me from retirement. With what kind of profits? With scanty scholarships? Yes, and to get it, you need to stretch to five. And if you want to earn extra money, forget about the scholarship. Market, you know. Here we need a clearly thought-out state policy, in which the problems of employment, preferential mortgage lending should be solved, especially in regions remote from Moscow. Yes, and pricing would be nice to decide. If they keep growing up all the time, this will not raise the birth rate. In the post-war period, for example, the situation was much worse than the current one, and still the Soviet government regularly reduced prices for consumer goods. People were actually convinced that life was getting better. And now everything is exactly the opposite ...
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    for 19 January 2020 20: 56 New
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    Not in business, nor in the civil service, there’s not enough space for everyone.
    1. Vadim237 20 January 2020 14: 27 New
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      There is room for everyone on the stock exchange and cryptocurrencies - in the first case, it’s best to follow the news about the market or attacks on refineries or conflicts in the gulf for growth - in the second, it’s also quite possible to get an additional 10 rubles a month on one video card.
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        Do not raise the top ten on one video card. The youngest had a crypto farm for 10 video cards - more than 70 a month did not work out. Minus electricity.
  • 75 Sergey 19 January 2020 23: 07 New
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    Yes, everything is much worse, they do not give birth not because they don’t want, but because they can’t !!!
    I had a team of 20 married men at work, so 4 families without children, although earnings were higher than the national average.
    Fertility is primarily a problem for the health of the nation, and in the 90s we ate hormonal “Bush legs”, crooked milk powder, etc.
    Unfortunately now we are also fed with what the line!
  • Aingof 20 January 2020 04: 46 New
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    As far as I understand, the author lives in Moscow. Let him come to our province and see how you can feed 4 children for a salary of 15-20k for a man and 10-15k for a woman. There is only one answer - only shift, without the ability to raise their children. That everyone does or leaves.
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      how to feed 4 children on a salary of 15-20k for a man and 10-15k for a woman.

      I’m barely enough for three for three, and that’s only because they add ten to the third allowance. 40-10 is not real at all.
  • Smirnov Mikhail 20 January 2020 05: 28 New
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    From class positions, the author belongs to the Russian ruling class. The one that exists due to taxation. For the sake of the author (and his salary), there is a tax service as an instrument of alienation of material goods (in the form of their cash equivalent) from direct producers (including industrial capitalists), as well as an instrument of coercion to commodity production. For the sake of the author, there is a state and its punitive bodies as an apparatus of violence and coercion to alienate material wealth (in the form of their monetary equivalent), as well as to protect the author’s class interests, including the right to exist “at the expense of the country’s budget”, formed through the tax politics. For the sake of the author, there is a Central Bank and banknotes as a way of distributing alienated material goods (in the form of their monetary equivalent) and as a means of transferring material goods into a monetary equivalent. Therefore, the author declares from his class interests that citizens are required to pay taxes. Otherwise, the author will not receive part of the alienated material goods in the form of their monetary equivalent, called wages.

    Such a socio-economic formation is called the "Asian mode of production," or eastern despotism. During perestroika, this nascent class was eager for domination (to be physically present in the legislative and executive authorities, judicial and law enforcement agencies). And dorval. After 30 years, a small clerk from the ruling class with a well-fed belch broadcasts “a little about himself” (this “a little” is almost 2/3 of the article), boasts how his children graduated from school with gold medals, and now study in the most prestigious universities of the country for budget account. How at the expense of the budget did the operation after an unsuccessful training. Life seems to be a success. And there is only one sadness in the world - taxable people absolutely do not want to reproduce themselves. And the state needs future taxpayers (even more needed as cannon fodder, if suddenly someone else wants to "milk the area"). And it doesn’t even occur to the gentleman’s head that they cannot, just as it doesn’t occur to the public utilities, demanding to pay it off; No, they just don’t want to. Therefore, it is necessary to force. With a whip, in the form of another requisition for childlessness, for it is a crime to encroach on the class interests of the ruling class. And gingerbread - the size of the pension depends on the income of your descendants. And what kind of income will children who have graduated from Baumanka, Sechenovskaya Acadhenia and the Higher School of Economics, whose dad dabbles in martial arts and dangled already in two regions, have any income? And these are also class interests ..
    1. Andrey VOV 20 January 2020 09: 46 New
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      Did you read the article carefully ??? the man plowed all the time, he didn’t just buy and sell, he PRODUCED, yes, and he is rightly proud of it. that despite the difficulties, these are the kids he had, and you probably sat on the stove, figuratively speaking, and was glad that the cow had died from your neighbor? what the hell clerk is to you ... well, at least once again go over the article, you can understand what she’s talking about. ...
  • nikvic46 20 January 2020 07: 22 New
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    Maternal capital should be considered along with other problems. There are many, but the main one is medical care. The main message in the current information is that the poor person understands the rich. But I don’t see feedback. By my children I see how much strength and nerves cost them to get a little bit on their feet. There were cars, but they sold everything. The life of a working man, like on a roller coaster. That rise, then fall. A lot of money goes to rags. That is not worse than others. The author is right. But if he understands, not everyone develops like that. We all have different characters, but the desire to comb everyone under one comb is very high.
  • evgenyfrasov 20 January 2020 07: 31 New
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    Dear subscribers, hello. I have been a reader of VO for about 5 years. A couple, three times left comments ..... I understand correctly that basically there are former or real warriors? Very often in the comments people get personal. For me, this is somehow not good. Not pretty. Not worthy of a man. After all, the article is being discussed and everyone has their own point of view. Let's just discuss without insulting each other. Now in content .... I have no children, although I really wanted to at one time. The wife worked as a welder in the bridge detachment and could not report. I was very worried about this. Now I am glad that I have no children. Our authorities taught me to look at life productively. At first the army, then prison, then stability ... I am glad that out of my unborn children, I will not make idiots with various educational programs, I am glad that my unborn children will not go to the RF Armed Forces, I am glad that they do not they’ll bum around in rented apartments and don’t fall into mortgage slavery, I’m glad that they will not create the appearance of a family, wandering around in every Taimyr and Yamal mountains to raise my non-existent grandchildren. I am glad that they were not born and did not become a human resource. After all, this is what the Guarantor and Commander-in-Chief say about us. When we were people, People ..... However, this is a completely different time and a different story.
    1. Andrey VOV 20 January 2020 09: 44 New
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      And I found something to rejoice at! And he himself, what, you, wife, if there were children, that you wouldn’t be at all involved in the upbringing and formation of personality ?? would you give everything up and yell at all corners. That the kindergarten must first, then the school it should, the army should ... everyone around should. but I fulfilled the duty, gave birth and everything ... no. dear, lousy philosophy, you won’t go so far ... I would be ashamed to write such a thing, but I’m already an adult man. and you argue how it is unknown who .... ashamed
      1. evgenyfrasov 20 January 2020 13: 04 New
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        Sorry, it so happened that I do not have them. Well, if purely hypothetically ... Of course I would be engaged in upbringing, and education, and the development of horizons, and physical. education. To everyone. Where would I go.
    2. Ingvar 72 20 January 2020 10: 07 New
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      Now I'm glad that I have no children

      Sadly everything is with you. Children are the meaning of life, and its joy. Now you are glad that you have no children, but you are biased. You did not feel the joy of fatherhood, you did not enjoy the fact that your living blood falls asleep on your shoulder. You have nothing to compare with, and I feel sorry for you.
      If you experienced all this and subsequently lost, you would never say such words.
      God forbid, of course, anyone gain such an experience. hi
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        Excuse me please. Perhaps you are right.
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        It is not otherwise there were no fathers and mothers without a doubt abandoning their children
  • Loess 20 January 2020 09: 26 New
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    Mdyaya ... I read comments here ... A man told about his life, using a personal example. Why so much anger in the comments? Is it envious that the children are studying in Moscow? Do you all need it? So that your children study at the same universities? Nowhere closer? Are you reproaching the author with a scribble? And about the part-time loader missed by? Again, envy took that a person didn’t give up his hands at a difficult moment? Does the consumer society grow the state from you? You are mistaken. Has grown already. Already consider how much it costs you to raise children before you give birth to these children. Are you not ashamed of yourself? They do not want to produce poverty ... Your parents all as one probably thought that they give birth to future millionaires? Ask them. You all admire Comrade Stalin. Have you ever wondered in what family he was born? And if his parents, too, did not want to "bring poverty"? And after Lenin at the helm of the country, who else would stand? To have it now? The common border of Nazi Germany and the Japanese Empire somewhere in the vast Siberia? And all because someone "did not want to produce poverty." Yes, do not "produce poverty" you do not want, people, you yourself, loved ones, feel sorry. Therefore, they attacked the author, you are looking for the guilty in your cowardice ...
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      Thank you, Loess, for your support. I do not pay attention to spitting. Maybe my example will help someone in difficult times not to give up.
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        Maybe my example will help someone in difficult times not to give up.

        It may help, but your case is rather an exception. So you mentioned that you managed to get settled in Moscow, but it’s not rubber, and each such recipe will not work. Yes, and your children are adults, they receive scholarships, with small ones it is much more difficult. At one time, I, too, was an IP, just as "safely" went broke. Divorce, a new job with s \ n many times lower. I had to radically change my outlook on life, but nothing, I pulled it out. Now there are three small children and a bunch of hemorrhoids to receive, sort of like the prescribed subsidies and allowances. The money is very close to the butt, the work is unofficial and not permanent. It’s almost impossible to find a constant, at least with an average salary. I can’t imagine how you can extend a family of 5 people to the average salary in the Samara region. And how the average salary is calculated, you probably know - cabbage + meat = cabbage rolls.
        Do not be offended by sharp emotions, everyone has his own. hi
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          I'm not offenced. Everyone has their own opinion and circumstances. Scholarship shameful 1600 sort of. The eldest is working hard and earning decent. Still graduate school, the candidate begins to write. It’s hard to work, I agree. Try it, everything should work out for you. I studied at a new place three times in a year. hi
  • lopvlad 20 January 2020 09: 33 New
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    I propose: let the bulk of the pension be formed as it is now. But to provide that part of the pension depended on the amount of income to the pension fund from the children of the pensioner. The result is this: the more children you have and the higher their “white” income, the better and calmer you will live in old age.


    this is called "slavery" from the cradle to the grave and has nothing to do with the social protection of man. However, it is difficult to expect other "proposals" from speculators and other thieves.

    It is worth considering the return of the childless tax as it was in the Union. Only childless citizens should pay it, not from the age of 18, but, for example, from the age of 25 in order to be able to learn and without delaying to start a family. All proceeds from this tax should be targeted to support families with children.


    in order to introduce a tax on childlessness as in the Union, you need to return the very social benefits and confidence in the future that was then. At the same time when the price of the goods was knocked directly on it at the production stage, when the state guaranteed you a job and payment for this work for sure on time.
  • Oleg1 20 January 2020 09: 58 New
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    However, plus the author ....
  • RitaNik 20 January 2020 10: 50 New
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    The author’s suggestions for solving the problems of demography are addressed to the generation of his peers, probably. So I would like to know: are the author’s children ready to sacrifice a career for the sake of having four children, having received an excellent education? Are they ready for the same sacrifices as the father?
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      I asked. Two or three are planning.
    2. RitaNik 20 January 2020 16: 04 New
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      Gentlemen minus! Than you did not suit my question to the author? Or just have a desire to put the cons quietly? winked
  • Seld 20 January 2020 12: 38 New
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    With all these mat.payments - sheer crafty!
    Why not just say: give birth, girls, and get the money. Well, there, including conditions.
    And if the child "mommy" is not needed, the state takes over the maintenance of the child (orphanage, yes, yes, yes) and will raise the future colonist of Siberia or a soldier. And I do not see anything contradictory in this. Simply things can be called by their proper names.
    I believe those who wanted to give birth to the “three” gave birth to them without any capital.
    Who didn’t want to - but at least get rich ... Nope ...
    However, arguing on the knee: is it possible to stimulate the birth rate in normal / middle-income families and with the subsequent normal upbringing of, say, at least two children? I suppose yes.
    Mummies just need to transfer every month to the card, say, at least 80 k. Rubles; and so on - until, say, 15 years old, the youngest of all the children.
    It will work. Costs are more than a scheme with mat.capital, but the result, I am sure, will be brighter. For oil / gas / natural resources state - KOPEYKI !!!!!!
    And do not need all this blizzard with capital from the word mat.
  • AleBors 20 January 2020 12: 45 New
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    With all due respect to the author, the article is somehow about nothing. The final offer is not feasible in principle, in the current economic system. And everything else is a life story.
    I also have four children. The eldest graduated from the university with honors; she is unable to get a job in her specialty. Yes, we twist as we can, and the janitor had to earn extra money when the enterprise closed. The rest of the children go to free circles and sections. With things help those like us, large families. Several families help each other. That's how we live. Not full, but quite happy. And I do not expect handouts from the state, so this year they refused to compensate children for rest. It would be good if the help that is now is not canceled. Otherwise, it will have to be tight ...
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    Good article title! But I do not strongly agree with the author regarding the criticism of the previously published material by Roman Skorokhodov. CANDLE ... the concept is not of the everyday world, but of the spiritual. And how are we doing with this business ??? The phrase about official Orthodoxy has already snapped up ... how many of them are truly believers ??? From strength - 2%. And by the way, in these families of children of 3 people or more is not so rare. There is a special discussion about Muslims, but this is not the topic of the article. And yesterday - the HOLIDAY, although the ice did not rise, the Jordan was not even thought to build, but still BAPTISM! Everything is as usual ... Service ... communion and ... By 10 o’clock you don’t enter the winter limit ... go with bottles, cans, buckets !!! For holy water people rushed! Hurry, pushing ... blowing your nose ... stand for a long time, let's go to another place!
    And further. People are different, some are healthy, some are not very ... and so on. Good to be successful, glad for the author! But in our fast time, not everyone can keep up ... on the DUMP ???
  • Llur 20 January 2020 19: 35 New
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    Vova and Dimas are doing everything for the collapse of the country and the destruction of the people, but someone is protecting them? Seriously? Does anyone still believe the media? And those who can’t feed their families haven’t entered the market, have they?
  • Grossvater 21 January 2020 09: 57 New
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    I agree with the author of the article completely!
  • Brigadier 21 January 2020 12: 37 New
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    Author, a big minus to you for the article.
    It seems that he raised the problems of childbearing, providing for the family, expressed his own thoughts on this subject and showed the way. But there is one big “but”!

    You forgot at the end to ascribe: "May the wise and greatest leader of a happy, rich and joyful Russia - Mr. Putin and his loyal comrade-in-arms Mr. Medvedev live from now on and for centuries! ". We must not forget about it ...

    By the way, does this picture remind you of nothing? laughing lol wink

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      Well, yes, only new taxes can introduce. Like an author, children are on their parents and a childless tax. In addition to taxes, there are no more ideas.
  • Basarev 21 January 2020 13: 38 New
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    Everything is much simpler: since in capitalism it comes down to profit, motherhood with many children should be made profitable. For example, provide basic unconditional income to all Russian families with many children.
    1. place 21 January 2020 15: 14 New
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      Everything is much simpler: you just need to understand whose profit it is? If it’s a capitalist, then his path to profit is to look around the world for the cheapest labor in the amount (about 30 million for Russia) that is needed to make a profit. The rest - to the grave!
  • Seld 21 January 2020 15: 07 New
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    Quote: Basarev
    Everything is much simpler: since in capitalism it comes down to profit, motherhood with many children should be made profitable. For example, provide basic unconditional income to all Russian families with many children.


    And so that this income can be spent on diapers, food and so on. for caring for a child. Incidentally, in the Russian Federation there are also supervisory authorities over the conditions under which a child grows and develops. It’s quite working. Good or bad is another topic. Officials must clearly understand: the birth rate can be raised on the basis of absolute cost compensation, which are very decent. One-time target payments - good, but not enough! Literate people, learned to count ... But mathematics is a strict science. It turns out that even with payments for the first, second and third little ones, the costs of their upbringing are very decent and are not covered by lump-sum surcharges.
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    For reflection ... The girl who was not with the man was called Vesta. But when she got married, she became the Unknown.

    Quite the contrary, Until she got married - She didn’t. Then - vesta.