The Pentagon admitted lag in the creation of hypersonic weapons

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The Pentagon admitted lag in the creation of hypersonic weapons

The United States cannot accelerate work on a number of promising military developments, including the creation of hypersonic weapons. This opinion was expressed by General John Hayten, Deputy Chairman of the Committee of Chiefs of Staff (KNSh) of the US Armed Forces.

Speaking at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington on Friday, Hayten said the United States understands the fact that hypersonic weapons are lagging behind other countries, but at the moment they can’t accelerate work in this direction. According to the general, ten years ago, the United States led in this area, leading the development of two programs at once, but failed.



We need to understand what failure is, learn from these failures, learn from the mistakes we made, quickly move away from these mistakes. (...) And ten years ago we were ahead in the development of hypersonic weapons. We had two programs (...) - HTV-1 and HTV-2 under the auspices of DARPA. They did not work. What did we do after they failed? We began many years of research into these failures, and then closed the programs. Accelerate in this way!

- said Heiten

From his point of view, the United States has so far failed to break the pattern of behavior in which, in case of failure, programs are suspended for a long time, and then closed, fearing risks. The general noted that military developments lag far behind the civilian sector.

Earlier in Washington, it was recognized that Russia and China significantly overtook the United States in the field of creating new weapons, including hypersonic. About the "role of catching up" recently said US Secretary of Defense Mark Esper.
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  1. 0
    January 18 2020
    What the capitalists just won’t come up with is to cut down the money.
    1. +4
      January 18 2020
      The United States understands the fact that the development of hypersonic weapons is lagging behind other countries, but at the moment they cannot accelerate work in this direction. According to the general, ten years ago, the United States led in this area, leading the development of two programs at once, but failed

      Leading again with their words .. laughing
      Well, somehow it’s not solid for the chosen nation - the warriors of the world laughing
      1. +5
        January 18 2020
        According to the general, ten years ago the United States led the way, developing two programs at once, but failed.
        They were leading and nothing came of it, maybe they were in the wrong direction?
        1. +5
          January 18 2020
          Quote: figvam
          They were leading and nothing came of it, maybe they were in the wrong direction?

          Kamrad, I need a product with an accuracy of 0.01mm, guys with equipment capable of working with an accuracy of 0.001mm well, they just can't make my order.
          Soon a year of struggle, the error goes to - 0.0152mm. -0.0052 ready to forgive but - 0.01mm well, no matter how.
          This is what I?
          Besides the fact that it is not enough to have the best equipment and financing, we need brains to understand the cause of failure.
        2. +1
          January 18 2020
          Quote: figvam
          According to the general, ten years ago the United States led the way, developing two programs at once, but failed.
          They were leading and nothing came of it, maybe they were in the wrong direction?


          Maneuvered, maneuvered and did not maneuver ... request
      2. +2
        January 18 2020
        Yesterday, Trump, in one of his last speeches, said that America is in perfect order with hypersonic weapons. Even ahead of the rest, and here such a misfortune.
      3. +1
        January 18 2020
        It would be better if they did not recognize this, for them. They would work slowly, and then again - and in the ladies. And they just dishonored the whole world and look like beggars.
      4. +1
        January 18 2020
        And Bolton chatted that we stole from them the development of hypersonic weapons !! laughing If so, maybe it's the curvature of the hands? wassat
  2. +3
    January 18 2020
    The Pentagon admitted lag in the creation of hypersonic weapons

    And what is there to comment on? It is what it is. The main thing is not to stop there
    1. -17
      January 18 2020
      Quote: Military Review * News
      Earlier in Washington, it was recognized that Russia and China significantly overtook the United States in the field of creating new weapons, including hypersonic. About the "role of catching up" recently said US Secretary of Defense Mark Esper.

      Russia overtakes everyone, due to the achievements of the USSR in this area ... This was also previously recognized by the United States.
      1. +5
        January 18 2020
        Quote: Mersi
        Quote: Military Review * News
        Earlier in Washington, it was recognized that Russia and China significantly overtook the United States in the field of creating new weapons, including hypersonic. About the "role of catching up" recently said US Secretary of Defense Mark Esper.

        Russia overtakes everyone, due to the achievements of the USSR in this area ... This was also previously recognized by the United States.

        It turns out that the United States, at that time, invented the bow and arrow, and everyone was told that
        . Hayten: ... 10 years ago we were ahead in the development of hypersonic weapons. We had two programs (...) - HTV-1 and HTV-2 under the auspices of DARPA
        1. -7
          January 18 2020
          Hayten: ... 10 years ago we were ahead in the development of hypersonic weapons. We had two programs (...) - HTV-1 and HTV-2 under the auspices of DARPA. They did not work. What did we do after they failed? We have begun many years of research into these failures, and then closed the program

          Terenin (Gennady), the Americans could not modify their samples - they did not have enough brains and they regretted the money. And why did they stick to me cons? I am completely correct. Apparently "offended by God" and other Russophobes!
          1. 0
            January 18 2020
            Quote: Mersi
            Russia overtakes everyone, due to the achievements of the USSR in this area ... This was also previously recognized by the United States

            All more or less successful workings out in the USSR in the 90s, the Yeltsin team successfully sold the same striped. Why did they create for example their F-35 with vertical take-off. The principle of our Yak-38, with a rotating nozzle. And many more of our technologies have been translated into reality. The same fiber networks. They showed me at the institute back in 1994. No one really knew.
          2. +5
            January 18 2020
            Quote: Mersi
            Hayten: ... 10 years ago we were ahead in the development of hypersonic weapons. We had two programs (...) - HTV-1 and HTV-2 under the auspices of DARPA. They did not work. What did we do after they failed? We have begun many years of research into these failures, and then closed the program

            Terenin (Gennady), the Americans could not modify their samples - they did not have enough brains and they regretted the money. And why did they stick to me cons? I am completely correct. Apparently "offended by God" and other Russophobes!

            Well, I have land to prove that I didn’t set any cons request
    2. -3
      January 18 2020
      And yet ... I agree with you on this position.
  3. +2
    January 18 2020
    Hooray, we are cool !!!!
    Only I noticed that their military whined for any reason, so that Congress would allocate more money.
    1. +5
      January 18 2020
      Quote: 75Sergey
      Only I noticed that their military whined for any reason, so that Congress would allocate more money.

      -------------------------
      This is yes, 100%. Fate is unfair to us and evil. Get more dough for us! hi
  4. +1
    January 18 2020
    Well recognized. What does it change?
    America is a powerful country. The goals and objectives of their ruling class will not change. They will look for a way to be stronger than everyone and put pressure everywhere, always, only for their interests.
    Everyone else, individually, will not just resist this. But in general, simply not.
    1. -1
      January 18 2020
      Can you make powerful out of powerful? You completely forgot about the Russian soldier. Yes and fiig with you.
    2. -2
      January 18 2020
      Quote: rocket757
      America is a powerful country

      But their main weapon is the dollar. So without hypersonic weapons can easily do.
      1. 0
        January 18 2020
        Quote: orionvitt
        But their main weapon is the dollar.

        The "all-crushing dollar" is certainly cool, but behind it is not a small economic and military power ... or stood, they argue differently now. For reliability, we will assume that America has the strength and potential, so we cannot relax.
        Even around the decrepit "tiger" all sorts of different, small ones hover, but in a pack they represent some danger if you alone and accidentally stumbled.
        Conclusion, do not relax, work hard and train!
      2. 0
        January 18 2020
        Quote: orionvitt
        But their main weapon is the dollar. So without hypersonic weapons can easily do.

        And you know, precisely because their military potential is large enough, and neither we nor the Chinese are going to attack them, then they can spit on the development of this type of weapon and continue to print money. And this weapon - money - is much more dangerous for the whole world, because if they abandon their obligations, the whole world will begin to shake so that the consequences will be comparable to a local nuclear war.
        1. 0
          January 19 2020
          Quote: ccsr
          And this weapon - money - is much more dangerous for the whole world.

          Why repeat, I wrote just that.
  5. -3
    January 18 2020
    Breshet. everyone understands that any exchange will end in a global catastrophe. This winter is proof of how it can end. For all this firing with conventional ammunition in Africa, the Middle East, and southeastern Ukraine, burning wells — where is this heat disposed of?
    1. +7
      January 18 2020
      Quote: Balu
      For all this firing with conventional ammunition in Africa, the Middle East, and southeastern Ukraine, burning wells — where is this heat disposed of?

      Interesting version. But, as far as I remember, in the late 40s there were no warm winters.
      1. +1
        January 18 2020
        Quote: LiSiCyn
        Quote: Balu
        For all this firing with conventional ammunition in Africa, the Middle East, and southeastern Ukraine, burning wells — where is this heat disposed of?

        Interesting version. But, as far as I remember, in the late 40s there were no warm winters.

        As far as I remember, when the weather is bad, and fighters need to fly at the front airfields along the perimeter, they burned rags in barrels with a solarium and other
        1. +6
          January 18 2020
          Quote: Balu
          Quote: LiSiCyn
          Quote: Balu
          For all this firing with conventional ammunition in Africa, the Middle East, and southeastern Ukraine, burning wells — where is this heat disposed of?

          Interesting version. But, as far as I remember, in the late 40s there were no warm winters.

          As far as I remember, when the weather is bad, and fighters need to fly at the front airfields along the perimeter, they burned rags in barrels with a solarium and other

          Locally this could help. Although ... It depends on what to mean by non-flying weather. A blizzard and a blizzard will not help.
          Rather, these are additional landmarks.
          1. +2
            January 18 2020
            These were the memoirs of a front-line soldier, it was about rain and low cloud cover over the front-line airfield. Pure physics, warm air replaced cold and clouds.
            1. +7
              January 18 2020
              Quote: Balu
              Pure physics, warm air replaced cold and clouds.

              It must be added: in calm weather ... Because, in the wind it is useless.
              1. +1
                January 18 2020
                I must add: in calm weather ... Because, in the wind it is useless


                burned for 2-3 hours
                1. +4
                  January 18 2020
                  Yes I do not argue laughing
  6. 0
    January 18 2020
    You can, of course, giggle over Hayten’s words, but if this cry of his soul
    What did we do after we failed? We began years of research into these failures, and then closed the programs. Accelerate in this way!

    materialized in concrete measures, there will be no laughing matter.
  7. 0
    January 18 2020
    Still, I would not accept all the words of American warriors on faith, it is possible that they are rubbing on us, and the Yankees are preparing to experience several hypersonic devices at once!
    1. +2
      January 18 2020
      Quote: Thrifty
      it’s possible that we get along rubbing, and the Yankees are preparing to test several hypersonic devices at once!

      They could not even create a supersonic passenger plane or a fighter with a vertical take-off, so they have problems and are unsolvable, they just pretend that they are not interested.
  8. +4
    January 18 2020
    . quickly get away from these mistakes. (...)
    Speed ​​is needed when catching fleas. winked And if you know which way to go ..., otherwise again
    The United States cannot accelerate work on a number of promising military developments, including the creation of hypersonic weapons.
    Although, we have experiences, no matter how we try - zero!
  9. +4
    January 18 2020
    The Americans still have in their heads the crazy idea of ​​a global strike on the Russian Federation, when all control posts and mines will be instantly destroyed. They could achieve this only if they had bypassed us in creating hypersonic weapons. That is, one that would not intercept air defense. And that’s all. They would not have missed such a chance to destroy us with one powerful, fast and accurate nuclear strike. But then a bummer came out. They will have to come up with something new. Now they are under such a threat. And it is only our inability to massively increase such weapons in large quantities in large quantities that keeps them from destruction. Enough for our own, quick and unrequited blow. And also the good will of the Russians. Live, bastards ...
  10. +2
    January 18 2020
    (...) And ten years ago we were ahead in the development of hypersonic weapons. We had two programs (...) -

    I wonder why they decided so? Who told them that they are ahead of everyone, and that their technologies are the best?
  11. +2
    January 18 2020
    The conference at CSIS (Center for Strategic and International Studies) is just a set of abstract judgments on the topic "what we guessed and what we were wrong about."
    Hayten’s statement must be understood in the context of what
    “10 (actually 12) years ago, we developed the HTV-1 and HTV-2 programs, but we failed.
    But instead of additional funding for development, we were given a "blame search" (flogging), and the research programs were closed.
    And now, with the onset of this threat, we cannot speed up the development in any way, since the contracts with the developers have been terminated, they have not been paid money, the laboratories have been dismantled, the employees have been fired. "
    Hayten laments the imperfection of their American weapons development system.
    The USSR (and its heiress Russia) did the same in this context, but one can be proud of our Engineers, Developers and Scientists, who, as soon as funding was found, did not refuse to continue work.
  12. 0
    January 18 2020
    It is necessary to invest more dough. It won’t help - so much more! Or more, more, more!
    Or buy from us when it becomes obsolete.
  13. +1
    January 18 2020
    Speaking at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington on Friday, Hayten said the United States understands the fact that hypersonic weapons are lagging behind other countries, but at the moment they can’t accelerate work in this direction. According to the general, ten years ago, the United States led in this area, leading the development of two programs at once, but failed.

    PS All the failures are connected with the fact that Russia stole everything! the USA has developed and developed this area, and in addition, it’s all the brains that created this American know-how, and this is how the USA lives tolerantly and indiscriminately! hi
  14. -13
    January 18 2020
    Yes, yes, yes, we can’t do our own iron. I’m not even talking about the TV set and the car, we are such great and terrible leaders in gas and oil, well, we’ll also enter wheat here, and they run with ragatki, and don’t see the results of hypersonic, laser starts weapons and Poseidon, WHERE YOU CAN SEE STARTS AND DESTRUCTION OF GOALS, or this is for the Russian user, and so they will believe, as with the redistribution of the constitution for you yourself understand what, bridles on the heads put on pliz
    1. +2
      January 19 2020
      Quote: taurtaurov
      WHERE YOU CAN SEE LAUNCHES AND DESTRUCTION OF GOALS

      Have you ever seen a jet of mosquito when it pisses? But he does it ...
  15. 0
    January 18 2020
    Yes, here and such a move can be expected from them-1-there is a theoretical possibility of doing something there (hyperdrive or hypersound), 2-PR ourselves and a little bit merge. 3-turn on the intelligence to the full and wait for the finished result or a lot of developments for analysis. 4 - on the basis of this, we’ll make our own, you’ll win at least money in R&D and time; if you yourself get stuck, it will come out longer.
  16. +1
    January 18 2020
    But what about the screams of the liberal anti-ligency that, in their "enlightened" opinion, the GDP simply showed them bad cartoons. How now they are screaming about the terrible thing that now the articles on the subordination of Russia to foreign dictatorship will be removed from the Constitution and that dual citizenship will be banned, and it will become more difficult for them to plunder the country.
  17. 0
    January 18 2020
    "Hayten said that the United States understands the fact that the development of hypersonic weapons is lagging behind other countries, but at the moment they cannot speed up work in this direction."- Heiten clearly misleads the audience, because Russophobes of all stripes at VO have already switched to turbo-scream, claiming the opposite - like I swear by my mother laughing
  18. -1
    January 18 2020
    Worse if they overtook, but with their base and resources it is a matter of time.
  19. -4
    January 19 2020
    Confusion in terminology.
    Americans consider ramjet cruise missiles as a hypersonic weapon
    flight in dense layers of the atmosphere. These projects have closed.
    And in Russia, ballistic missiles are also referred to as hypersonic weapons. Which since
    their appearance 80 years ago reached hypersound.
    From here both the Dagger / Iskander fell into hypersonic weapons, and the Vanguard.
    According to American terminology, only the mysterious Zircon is in this category.
    1. +3
      January 19 2020
      voyaka uh (Alexey)! As always the same thing? For you:
      The inefficiency of ramjet engines at low flight speeds makes it practically inapplicable on manned aircraft with non-nuclear motor system [2] but for unmanned, including combat (in particular, cruise missiles), disposable, flying in the speed range 2 <M <5, due to its simplicity, low cost and reliability, he is preferred. Also ramjets are used on flying targets. The main competitor of ramjet in this niche is rocket engine.

      Nevertheless, nuclear ramjet It is promising as a propulsion system for single-stage aerospace aircraft and high-speed intercontinental heavy transport aircraft. This is facilitated by the possibility of creating a nuclear ramjet capable of operating at subsonic and zero flight speeds in the mode of a rocket engine using onboard reserves of the working fluid. That is, for example, an aerospace aircraft with a nuclear ramjet starts (including takes off), feeding the working fluid from the airborne (or outboard) tanks to the engines and, having already reached speeds from M = 1, switches to the use of atmospheric air.

      In Russia, according to a statement made by President V.V. Putin at the beginning of 2018, “a cruise missile with a nuclear power plant was successfully launched”. [4]

      Alexei, Russia may soon make a nuclear ramjet for spacecraft and weapons, based on the engine "Petrel" - then you have to buy diapers for yourself and Russophobic quacks on VO!
      Alexei! From time to time you carry your nonsense, but are silent about the fact that F-35 is not a 5th generation aircraft, he can not, throughout his flight, fly at a cruising supersonic speed - this is an undeniable fact!
    2. 0
      January 19 2020
      Accelerating a rocket to hypersonic speeds was never a problem even at the dawn of ballistic missiles. The FAU-2 moved at a speed of 5,2 max, which is already considered hypersound. The problem of accuracy of aiming at a target. Only at the end of the 20th century was an acceptable accuracy of hit for missiles with a non-nuclear warhead. The scramjet engine is likely to be used in a military version to a limited extent, if at all. These engines have one, not yet solved, flaw. They go out with active maneuvering. Roughly speaking, they can only fly in a straight line second, that in today's realities of missile weapons is a big disadvantage.
      1. +4
        January 19 2020
        The glider, which throws up the BR 100 km, was made by both Russia (Anangard) and China (I don’t know what they call it). And now the Americans are involved in this business.
        They have a project called X-60. The booster is already being tested, the glider is not yet heard. They, apparently, will have direct-flow. In a straight line, but quickly and controllably at every moment of flight.
        Vanguard is believed to be controlled externally at several intermediate points and above the target.
        1. +1
          January 21 2020
          We’ll wait and see. A glider is a specific form where the shape of the hull is a bearing surface, but not a flying wing. At the forefront of the engine there is no engine at all, it’s not needed there. Speed ​​is enough. Missiles with a gas scramjet will most likely be a 300- melee weapon 500 km, where they fly in a straight line is not important. The air defense systems simply do not have enough time to react. They will look like Yakhont and a non-specialist probably will not be able to distinguish them.
  20. 0
    January 19 2020
    Leading is when you created something. So this begs the question: were they leading or ruffling?
  21. 0
    January 19 2020
    It was just that in the 90s they neatly pushed part of the documentation on the St. Petersburg project "Kholod", there was already quite a flying gpvrd. "nuances" got out. It can only fly in a straight line, it stalls when maneuvering and other highlights. Ours, having played enough, the project was closed in 85 as the Yankees eventually did. The project documentation was given to another design bureau dealing with the "Zircon" theme.

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