Six “baskets” of the Libyan crisis resolved

The draft final communiqué of the Berlin conference, available to the TASS news agency, refers to six packages of measures to resolve the crisis in Libya. Similar to similar events in Syria, they were called six “baskets”. Here are the contents of these "baskets":

• ceasefire;
• import ban weapons to country;
• resumption of political processes;
• return to the state of control over the armed forces;
• carrying out economic reforms;
• observance of humanitarian norms.

The conference itself will take place on January 19. According to the press service of the presidential administration, the Russian leader Vladimir Putin will arrive at the meeting. French President Emmanuel Macron, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson and US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo also confirmed their participation. Delegates from Egypt, Algeria, the United Arab Emirates, Turkey and China will also arrive.

But most importantly, representatives of the warring parties of Libya will be present at the international conference in Berlin. This is the Prime Minister of the Government of National Accord (PNS) Faiz Sarraj and the Commander-in-Chief of the Libyan National Army (LNA) Khalifa Haftar.

The final communique adopted by all participants will be submitted to the UN Security Council for consideration.

Recall that a few days ago Sarraj and Haftar arrived in Moscow, but Marshal Haftar then decided not to sign any agreements.

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[Vladimir_2U]

Six “baskets” of the Libyan crisis resolved

Road maps are apparently not in vogue now.

[Victor_B]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Road maps are apparently not in vogue now.

There were so many of them, cards that they began to stack them in baskets.

[Vladimir_2U]

And very often the "baskets" are trash. (((

[Victor_B]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

And very often the "baskets" are trash. (((

Brilliant!

[Proxima]

The whole problem is that one of the warring parties (Haftaru or Sarraj) needs to give up power, but this will not happen. So the talking room of the leaders of the above countries will be useless. Instead of this beautiful party, Putin would go to some non-governmental Russian region. I would have looked at how the people are breathing, how the officials are going to mess, maybe there would be more sense!

[Anatoly 288]

Everything is right, no one will give up power. There must be serious motivation. And so, the signed agreements will not be executed, everything will remain on paper. Too high stakes

[maidan.izrailovich]

The whole problem is that one of the warring parties (Haftaru or Sarraj) needs to give up power, but this will not happen.

I do not agree with you, one of the parties will succumb.
And this already has indirect evidence.
But first, I want to say that in this conflict I do not care about both sides. I just draw my conclusions as an outside observer.
Haftar will succumb.
First, look at the conditions:
One of the conditions is "return to the state of control over the armed forces;" This means depriving Haftar of his "army". Farther. Among the conditions there is a condition to ban the import of weapons, but there is no ban on the introduction of foreign troops. That is, at the invitation of the legitimate government (and this is again not Haftar), foreign troops can enter Libya. This is most likely done under Erdogan. They did not prohibit the entry of troops.
Haftar is likely to agree. Why? Putin will convince him. And if Haftar is not a fool, then he will listen to clever advice.

[alexmach]

Haftar will succumb.
First look at the conditions

Definitely, the announced "baskets" are 100% about the victory of the PNS and Erdogan. The truth is not the fact that they will not be "replayed".

Haftar is likely to agree. Why? Putin will convince him. And if Haftar is not a fool, then he will listen to clever advice.

Why Putin does this is not entirely clear. But in general, with the introduction of Turkish troops into Libya, Hataf's opportunities to "disagree" are becoming less and less.

[no better place for]

Changes to idlib. Plus saraj apparently made the same promises that the Haftar.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: maidan.izrailovich

I just draw my conclusions as an outside observer.
Haftar will succumb.

Both will give in. They will be asked to resolve the issue through elections, the result of which will be binding on the losing side. Considering that the Libyan people have longed for the years of "democracy" and are nostalgic for the times of the Jamahiriya of "dictator" Gaddafi, and Haftar, in case of victory in the current conflict, could bring his son Seif Gaddafi to power, that is, there is a high probability that Haftar will not win weapon, but the result of elections. Along the way, all "interested" representing the interests of both opposing sides, already during the Berlin negotiations, will consolidate their "shares" and interests on the territory of post-war Libya, the implementation of which is hindered by the war.

[no better place for]

The people can be, but why the safe?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: neden

The people can be, but why the safe?

As a compromise figure - "neither yours, nor ours." Although no one knows yet who will butt for the main post. We will see what will be decided there tomorrow in Berlin, and then we will see.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Haftar, in case of victory in the current conflict, could bring his son to power Safe Gaddafi

A worthy answer to the question: "What did the coalition (read - American) democratization give Libya?" And once again, the "world democratizers" have done it predictably, showing the world that apart from global domination and bablos they are not interested in any democracy in principle. And domination is at the service of the bablos.

I'm only afraid that the Syrian scenario will begin further. First, they will congratulate you on your democratic election, and then they will be declared a dictator and will feed the armed opposition. Unfortunately, no end is foreseen for Libya's suffering with "democracy" in this situation ... "Chaos controlled by (America)" is the basis of American "democratization" and only the Victory Banner over the Capitol and the new Nuremberg (Washington?) tribunal.

[Paul Siebert]

These "six baskets" are worthless.
Each item is impossible in the conditions of Libyan reality.
And all these "conditions for a peaceful settlement" are being written with the sole purpose of promoting their authors.
Pot-bellied European uncles in Berlin, who do not care about the problems of Libyan Aborigines from a high bell tower.
But there is one solution.
For all time.
VICTORY ONE OF THE PARTIES.

[svp67]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Road maps are apparently not in vogue now.

This is apparently a hint that if the parties do not agree to a truce, then they will fill these "baskets"

[cost]

Six “baskets” for resolving the Libyan crisis have been designated. Russian leader Vladimir Putin will arrive at the meeting. French President Emmanuel Macron, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson and US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo also confirmed their participation. Delegates from Egypt, Algeria, the United Arab Emirates, Turkey and China will also arrive.

Memorable gifts will be presented to each participant of the conference.

[thanks]

Quote: Military Review * News

The draft final communiqué of the Berlin conference, available to the TASS news agency, refers to six packages of measures to resolve the crisis in Libya.

It’s still all written with a pitchfork on water ... When there will be a conference - then we'll see!

[Old Michael]

it’s written with a pitchfork on water ... When there will be a conference - then we'll see!

And after the conference there will be writings on the water. Participants have too different interests. The interests of Libya itself and its people, of course, will be repeated like a mantra, and the output will be a parody of the "Minsk agreements". And it will be good if Haftar does not slam the door again.

[knn54]

The final word belongs to the UN Security Council. And nothing is said about the Turkish march ...

[Victor_B]

Quote: knn54

The final word belongs to the UN Security Council.

It seems the Security Council is playing for Tripoli?

[maidan.izrailovich]

The final word belongs to the UN Security Council. And nothing is said about the Turkish march ..

The UN has long been decided.

[Thrifty]

Nothing will be signed by Haftar, for the Turks have introduced their intervention occupational armed gangs there! What is the point of Haftar signing something in this case?

[parusnik]

return to the state of control over the armed forces;

... The most interesting basket .. The PNS is the state, as it is recognized by the UN, and the armed forces are the LNA and after returning to the state control over the armed forces, whoever first removes Saraj, Haftara or the other way round ... or the Turks, Haftar. . And so, this conference resembles the preliminary division of Libyan oil ...

[PalBor]

Duc and Haftar represent the state, namely the elected House of Representatives. The participants of the international conference in Berlin declared the legitimacy of this authority. Sarraj disappointed with his worthlessness, open cooperation with IS and Al-Qaeda. Yes, and "toxic" Erdogan got in. Sarraj may be offered an amount, a house in the United States, and retirement.

[maidan.izrailovich]

Duc and Haftar, the state represents, namely, the elected House of Representatives ...

His official position today is the Supreme Commander of the Libyan National Army.
What he did in April 2019 is called a military coup. But he did not succeed. For such actions are done quickly. Two to three days. Maximum week. And he still has not taken Tripoli. This, by the way, characterizes him as a military commander. Useless. The task has not been completed.
After he signs everything, he will most likely be removed.
But I think the GDP will vouch for his life.

[PalBor]

Quote: maidan.izrailovich

Duc and Haftar, the state represents, namely, the elected House of Representatives ...

His official position today is the Supreme Commander of the Libyan National Army.
What he did in April 2019 is called a military coup. But he did not succeed. For such actions are done quickly. Two to three days. Maximum week. And he still has not taken Tripoli. This, by the way, characterizes him as a military commander. Useless. The task has not been completed.
After he signs everything, he will most likely be removed.
But I think the GDP will vouch for his life.

I disagree, practically, with any of your statements. After Turkey's intervention, the NTC finally discredited itself (friendship with terrorists and extremists did not cause such rejection) in the eyes of the former "roof", and in front of the UN Security Council, and in front of all actors in the region. Even the US and Israel pulled back. Well, yes, we'll see.

[maidan.izrailovich]

After the Turkish intervention, the PNS finally discredited itself (friendship with terrorists and extremists did not cause such aversion) ....

Your words are more suitable for the stands in front of the crowd. Some set of slogans.
Firstly, if you are not in the know, then there are terrorists and extremists on both sides. Gaddafi’s regular army has long been gone.
Secondly, who did you call a "terrorist and extremist"? Erdogan or what? So, unlike you and me, he participates in a conference on Libya. And his opinion is not the last in this topic.

Even the USA and Israel pulled back.

Did Trump personally tell you that he pulled back?
On the eve of Trump and Erdogan over the phone discussed Libya. And the next day, Erdogan announced the sending of troops to Libya. In addition, the United States supported the PNS from the very beginning. So, in Libya, the United States and Turkey are on the same side.
Politics ... she's such a ... capricious girl ....

[PalBor]

Secondly, who did you call a "terrorist and extremist"?
Want specifics?

Groups: RADA, Tripoli Battalion of Revolutionaries, Al-Navashi Brigade, Abu Salim Brigade, Osama Jawaley Brigade and others are members of the PNS armed forces. Condemned by international organizations and UN committees.
I wonder why you are so advocating for the PNE? Just because the Kremlin sympathizes with Haftaru?

[maidan.izrailovich]

Want specifics?

Want specifics?
When, some here will learn to understand texts in Russian?
My previous comment says that there are terrorists and extremists on both sides.
And poking in this regard only one way, at least not seriously.
Once again for those who do not understand Russian well.
In Libya, trying to reconcile terrorists with terrorists. In order not to suffer other civilians.

[Avior]

Haftar will surrender his army to Saraj?
Does the Hawtor agree? And his army? :)

[Saxahorse]

Quote: Avior

Does the Hawtor agree? And his army? :)

Haftar leaked. Russia gave carte blanche to Erdogan. The end of the next cunning plan ..

[Karen]

Quote: Saxahorse

Quote: Avior

Does the Hawtor agree? And his army? :)

Haftar leaked. Russia gave carte blanche to Erdogan. The end of the next cunning plan ..

But did you expect something different from the Kremlin kibbutz? ... Which year already I recall about an article by K. Zatulin ten years ago on the entire newspaper page, which showed that the whole foreign policy of the Russian Federation was built by Yevgeny Primakov, and most importantly there was everything for Turkey, all in the name of Turkey! I explained this by the anthropological structure of it - the cut of the eyes showed Khazar blood ... But even after the death of the puppeteer, there was a feeling that Primakov was more alive than all the living ... His proteges such as K. Kosachev could not compare with him in power, so there was a hunch that someone conducts all this above ... Well, the revival of the Khazaria on the outskirts with clearly coordinated interaction with the Kremlin kibbutz all this highlights much more clearly ...

[maidan.izrailovich]

Haftar will give his army ....

What many call the "army" are just barmaley on carts. Moreover, on both sides.
And these barmalei today for Haftar, and tomorrow against him. They do not care from whom to get money for murder and robbery.

[Nick Russ]

It’s just that the war will enter a sluggish phase, possibly with the subsequent collapse of the country into separate states.

[no better place for]

Apparently the idlib was changed to Haftar. Because at the same time both there and there declared truces. They said that they would create humanitarian corridors in idlib. But since Haftar was politically low-social, having talked with the French, the UAE escaped from Moscow. Even in the Turkish press there was an insider that the Foreign Ministry before departure arrived at the hotel and said you were nobody without us, and you mean nothing without it. Haftar flew away. Erdogan said that he hopes that Putin will fulfill his obligations. Then he said that he would intervene if the Assad would continue to bomb idlib. Ie presses to fulfill obligations. Militants from Idlib should have crossed into Libya. Haftar framed Moscow.

[maidan.izrailovich]

Apparently the idlib was changed to Haftar.

Well, here again twenty-five.
To exchange something for something. You have to own it.
Russia does not own Haftar. And he has no obligations (official) to him.
I want to remind many pitying old man. He lived in the USA for 20 years. Collaborated with the CIA in overthrowing Gaddafi. And when this time came, they simply changed it to younger "revolutionaries". Haftar is offended and tries to play his "movie".
Once again, I advise some to review the photo of Gaddafi's bloodied tormented by bandits. So Haftar, one way or another, is also involved in this.

[Kuzmitsky]

Gaddafi, too, has not always been an opponent of the United States and the West.