The Pension Fund reported on how pensions will grow by 2022


In Russia, pension reform is continuing, which for the vast majority of Russians causes nothing but rejection and irritation. This rejection is connected not only with an increase in the retirement age, but also with the fact that at the moment the promises of the authorities about a “substantial increase” in pensions are not justified.


Against this background, data were announced about what pensions Russians will receive in 2 years, about the growth rate of pensions by 2022. The relevant information was published by the “RG” with reference to the head of the Pension Fund Anton Drozdov.

According to Mr. Drozdov, the average increase in pensions for Russians by 2022 in comparison with 2019 will be 18%. Translated into absolute values, this means roughly the following: if a certain Russian pensioner received a pension (“old age”) in the amount of 2019 thousand rubles in 10, then in 2022 its amount will be 11800 rubles.

The PFR says that the average pension in 2022 will be 18290 rubles.

Whether such growth can be called “substantial” in the course of the well-known reform is a rather rhetorical question. Moreover, we must not forget that we are talking about "average" values ​​of growth (even as a percentage). That is, some of the citizens will receive smaller increases.

State authorities continue to insist that indexation of pensions is ahead of inflation.

Meanwhile, the Ministry of Economic Development notes that in 2019, pensions in real terms increased by 2,5%. This year, growth is projected at 3 percent.
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  1. Ingvar 72 18 January 2020 10: 20 New
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    State authorities continue to insist that indexation of pensions outstrips inflation
    Do they go to the shops themselves in government bodies? Pensions since 2014 increased by 20%, and prices doubled.
    It would be better if the number of parasites was reduced - the PF of Russia ranks first in the world in terms of the number of employees. negative
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    2. Starover_Z 18 January 2020 11: 03 New
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      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Do they go to the shops themselves in government bodies? Pensions since 2014 increased by 20%, and prices doubled.

      According to Mr. Drozdov, the average increase in pensions for Russians by 2022 in comparison with 2019 will be 18%. Translated into absolute values, this means roughly the following: if a certain Russian pensioner received a pension (“old age”) in the amount of 2019 thousand rubles in 10, then in 2022 its amount will be 11800 rubles.

      And then, as always and everywhere - if an official "from the mountain" in retirement receives 50 - 000 rubles, then what kind of increase will he receive ?! And so it turns out the average pension of 80 rubles!
      1. Ingvar 72 18 January 2020 11: 05 New
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        Mother in 2014 received 13 tr, now 16 tr. request Veteran of labour.
        1. knn54 18 January 2020 11: 07 New
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          Well, at least they didn’t "show" ...
        2. Reptiloid 18 January 2020 11: 35 New
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          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Mother in 2014 received 13 tr, now 16 tr. request Veteran of labour.

          I don’t know how my mother had what, now 11tr. But ---- here the other day, she remembered that Medvedev, the president, the former, had promised promises of a strong increase in pensions precisely by the year 20 .... Where is it? negative
          How would she live at 11 if not for me? request
          1. New Year day 18 January 2020 11: 49 New
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            Quote: Reptiloid
            But ---- here, the other day, she remembered that Medvedev, the president, and the former, had promises of a strong increase in pensions precisely by the year 20 .... Where is it?


            LIED. lie and will lie
            1. Flooding 18 January 2020 12: 59 New
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              Quote: Silvestr
              LIED. lie and will lie

              They say that in China there is no pension system.
              Need explanation to the picture.
              1. _Sergei_ 18 January 2020 18: 25 New
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                In China, pensions are received by party officials, high-ranking government officials and the military (officers). And also you can retire if you have accumulated and paid tax from the accumulation.
                1. Flooding 18 January 2020 19: 19 New
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                  Quote: _Sergey_
                  In China, pensions are received by party officials, high-ranking government officials and the military (officers). And also you can retire if you have accumulated and paid tax from the accumulation.

                  I mean, the above infographics are incorrect.
          2. antivirus 18 January 2020 13: 25 New
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            I do not need growth to 22 g, only to 2030.
            cancel all indexing up to 30g
          3. Machito 18 January 2020 14: 49 New
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            He began to laugh when he had not yet read the end of the article. There is no money, but you hold on. When will you get drunk already, swallowing?
        3. New Year day 18 January 2020 11: 44 New
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          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Mother in 2014 received 13 tr, now 16 tr

          mine in 2014 - 11 thousand, in 2019 - the same 11 thousand. Work experience more than 40 years
          1. hydrox 18 January 2020 12: 16 New
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            In general, Ingvar has a pro-government position, because he cannot receive a pension of 3 tyr in three years. to jump: unless his mother crossed the threshold of survival ...
            1. New Year day 18 January 2020 12: 43 New
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              Quote: hydrox
              unless his mother crossed the threshold of survival ..

              my 78, barely moving and 11 thousand. All supply at my expense, maybe because I'm not pro-government. In the very same as it was 16 - it remains
            2. Ingvar 72 18 January 2020 13: 18 New
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              Quote: hydrox
              In general, Ingvar has a pro-government position,

              Why did you identify me as a power lover? belay Mom will knock 70 this year, she plowed her whole life at the VAZ. About two months ago, I asked her about retirement, how much was in the 14th, and how much now. I gave the answer in the numbers above. I did not make out the pension structure of my mother. request
              But it’s still a penny, it used to be enough, it was even possible to postpone, now it’s not enough, despite the fact that the subsidiary farm. hi
              1. hydrox 18 January 2020 14: 09 New
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                Again forced to drop the charge ...
                I apologize.
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            NKT 18 January 2020 13: 20 New
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            As far as I know, experience for people of that generation plays a small role in the size of the pension, since there is a cut-off. If he hadn’t, then your mother, with 40 years of experience, would have been in the region of 30 tr.
            1. hydrox 18 January 2020 14: 14 New
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              The whole question is in whose favor clipping ...
              I had a salary of 520 rubles under the Soviets, and I did not sit at home until my retirement day: so when I retired I didn’t want to take into account the bonus either, and my salary was cut off - and now yes, a penny ...
              1. Golovan Jack 18 January 2020 14: 17 New
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                Quote: hydrox
                I had a salary of 520 rubles under the Soviets

                Miner, or what?

                Quote: hydrox
                and now yes, a penny ...

                Well, compared to the "520 with tips", "now a penny" can be called a lot ...

                So what did you work with, my friend? And what is now on hand? wink
                1. hydrox 18 January 2020 14: 28 New
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                  Not a miner, employee of the Siberian Branch of the Academy of Sciences, defense sector ...
                  Tools: pen, pencil, Kuhlmann, tweezers, soldering iron :: specialization "Instruments and experimental techniques". Endless business trips.
                  And on the hands of 15 ...
                  1. Golovan Jack 18 January 2020 14: 30 New
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                    Quote: hydrox
                    SB AN

                    What kind of beast is this?

                    Quote: hydrox
                    Tools: pen, pencil, Kuhlmann, tweezers, soldering iron :: specialization "Instruments and experimental techniques"

                    A technician with the highest technical ... as a maximum. Well, and - for what 520?

                    Quote: hydrox
                    And on hand 15

                    Well, no luck ... it happens request
                  2. LeonidL 18 January 2020 19: 12 New
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                    No luck to you. My friends from the “defense sectors” (Snezhinsk, Sarov, etc.) receive “putins” and are quite satisfied. Retirees (especially capras, colonels and above) - even more so. But in principle, if without emotion ... who invested so much, he gets so much back. At the request of the respected public in 1991, capitalism (which was so dreamed by the plebs) replaced socialism, what now is blaming the public for a mirror? As far as I know in other countries, there are also not milk rivers in the chocolate banks, in the USA, for example, even with a decent salary of a person at 67 (!) Years, social security pensions (the equivalent of the one in the Russian Federation) are around 2000 per month , and with a regular salary of a worker, it’s 900. Yes, they are also deducted from the federal tax and payment for old-age medical insurance. Especially for the remaining money, you can’t take off taking into account the rent of an apartment, payments for everything, food, etc. Approximately the same as in the Russian Federation and in other countries. But the civil servants of the Russian Federation, they are also different and the salaries are different and pensions. So there are no particularly great reasons for moaning and curses - what they planted has grown. In all countries, sovereign people receive decent pensions and this is correct (it is assumed that they do not steal, but they steal - they sit down). The rest is recommended to get used to the robbery, but fair in its own way, capitalist system (we don’t have another system) - earn more not in an envelope, but according to statements or put aside for old age in a bank (preferably a glass one), or educate and educate heirs well, which will contain. Well, for veterans and home front workers, let us rejoice without any malice. Like that.
                    1. hydrox 18 January 2020 20: 12 New
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                      That "sector of the defense industry that you are talking about is not a sector, this is the defense itself, and the sector there is nuclear, what can I say about them: two words -" nuclear shield "- everything is fine there.
                      And my "defense sector" is located at the Academy of Sciences ...
                      1. LeonidL 19 January 2020 07: 22 New
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                        You are right again - that is, confirm exactly what I was talking about. AN is not a defense industry, there are always salaries even under the USSR and so on, which is much skinny; science is different for science. What can you do, it was so, it is, and something is unlikely to change. Therefore, the salvation of drowning people is the business of the drowning people themselves, especially under capitalism.
              2. _Sergei_ 18 January 2020 18: 28 New
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                He left with Russian Railways, and earned a pension there. Now the pension with the addition of 18700 + 615 is veteran.
                1. hydrox 18 January 2020 20: 13 New
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                  It’s interesting, but the supplement — in which cities is it issued except Moscow?
                  1. _Sergei_ 19 January 2020 04: 11 New
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                    Altay
                    1. hydrox 19 January 2020 04: 49 New
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                      Thank you!
                      Altaians have something to pay for.
                      It’s even more interesting here: my comments (see a little higher) have already been dismissed :: are Moscow, liberal or federal thieves minus?
                      1. _Sergei_ 19 January 2020 05: 23 New
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                        The surcharge is only veteran, but for the Semipalatinsk test site did not have time to draw up. There are also about 1000.
                      2. hydrox 19 January 2020 06: 24 New
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                        The landfill is harsh!
                        Worked in Zhangiz ...
      2. zloybond 18 January 2020 11: 54 New
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        Quote: ... "I don’t know how Skvortsova calculated that the life expectancy of men in the Russian Federation is 68,5 years. But, for example, in the statistics on Russia released by the CIA, they do not believe her - they indicate 66 years with a tail.
        I note that over the years of technical assistance, Americans have crawled into almost all of our healthcare organizations, as well as into local statistical offices, and they have very accurate information.
      3. hohkn 18 January 2020 13: 11 New
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        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Mother in 2014 received 13 tr, now 16 tr. request Veteran of labour.

        The wife in the same 2014 received 9 tr, now 10 tr Also a labor veteran ...
        1. Ingvar 72 18 January 2020 13: 19 New
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          Also a labor veteran ...

          I don’t know, maybe some kind of regional allowances. request
    3. Vadivak 18 January 2020 11: 56 New
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      Quote: Starover_Z
      if an official "from the mountain" in retirement receives 50 - 000 rubles, then what kind of increase will he receive ?! And so it turns out the average pension of 80 rubles!

      Officials eat meat, and I cabbage, on average we eat cabbage rolls.
    4. tihonmarine 18 January 2020 14: 59 New
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      Quote: Starover_Z
      And so it turns out the average pension of 18 rubles!

      And what is your real pension for the common people?
    5. Krasnoyarsk 18 January 2020 15: 06 New
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      Quote: Starover_Z

      And then, as always and everywhere - if an official "from the mountain" in retirement receives 50 - 000 rubles, then what kind of increase will he receive ?! And so it turns out the average pension of 80 rubles!

      I don’t understand one thing - if the pension received a certain “increase”, then the purchasing power of the pension should also increase. And if it was indexed due to inflation, and purchasing power did not increase due to rising prices, then what kind of increase is this? This is the usual fraud.
  2. private person 18 January 2020 11: 25 New
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    The Pension Fund reported on how pensions will grow by 2022

    And they didn’t say how much they didn’t even have time to reach her pension before she lived.
    1. Xnumx vis 18 January 2020 14: 59 New
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      they didn’t say how much they didn’t even have time to reach her pension before she lived out?

      They counted and rubbed their hands with pleasure ... Ogres .. freezing!
  3. Thrifty 18 January 2020 11: 38 New
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    To paraphrase Klitschko’s words, I’ll say that only a few will survive in Russia in retirement, not all will survive in retirement in Russia! sad
    1. Monster_Fat 18 January 2020 12: 43 New
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      Pensions of deputies and government officials will grow significantly in Vangaia, they will throw a decent pension supplement to the security forces, the rest will be added a little “plebs”, and on average “over the hospital”, and the amount indicated in the promises will be. yes
      1. antivirus 18 January 2020 13: 30 New
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        there are already others. increased, deductions are from the OplTrud Fund
  4. Svarog 18 January 2020 13: 09 New
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    Quote: Ingvar 72
    It would be better if the number of parasites was reduced - the PF of Russia ranks first in the world in terms of the number of employees.

    Moreover, we have as many officials as in the Soviet Union, only in the USSR there were twice as many people, and most importantly, there was no Internet and computers that accelerate all work processes by a factor of ten. We probably have the same bureaucracy of the lowest in the world.
    And of course, the Federation Council and the Duma .. why are they? Why do we feed them .. they have never defended the interests of Russian citizens ..
  5. skif8013 18 January 2020 13: 41 New
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    My mother has a pension of 10700 rubles, she lives alone. Kommunalka + Internet + telephone and TV 6500. And how do you tell her to react to the January increase in pension by as much as 600 rubles ?! This is a mockery of retirees!
  • SRC P-15 18 January 2020 10: 21 New
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    Pensions in January for some pensioners did not increase, but instead fell! A friend in December received 13 thousand with copecks, and after indexing in January, she began to receive even less than 13 thousand rubles. It seems to her and the others who receive a supplement to the minimum pension, this supplement was removed and the pension as a result of such manipulations decreased. Putin seems to have already dealt with this approach of the Pension Fund, but the president doesn’t see a decree.
    1. Mcar 18 January 2020 10: 57 New
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      Quote: SRC P-15
      A friend in December received 13 thousand with copecks, and after indexing in January, began to receive even less than 13 thousand rubles.

      And they raised us a thousand - now 12 thousand with copecks. We would have last year, not raised by your friend - so in general would be almost happiness ...
      1. bessmertniy 18 January 2020 11: 27 New
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        Officially, in 2019, pensions were raised by 2,5%, and utility payments - by 4,5%. That is, the pensioner began to pay more for them, and for everything else he began to have less money than before. hi
        1. Mcar 18 January 2020 11: 43 New
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          Quote: bessmertniy
          Officially, in 2019, pensions were raised by 2,5%, and utility payments - by 4,5%. That is, the pensioner began to pay more for them, and for everything else he began to have less money than before. hi

          Yes it's all clear hi

          I would like to draw attention to the fact that it would seem that in a united Russia / not a party / people live in such different ways. But is this not a source of separate moods? And what a switchman organizes all this orgy in the country!
      2. Reptiloid 18 January 2020 11: 40 New
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        Greetings hi Alexander!
        Quote: McAr
        ...... And they raised us a thousand - now 12 thousand with copecks. We would have last year, not raised by your friend - so in general would be almost happiness ...
        Well, you see, an obvious increase, but they could have decreased. am Here's a positive ---- "" did not take away, and that’s good ""
        1. Mcar 18 January 2020 11: 56 New
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          Quote: Reptiloid
          Greetings hi Alexander!
          Quote: McAr
          ...... And they raised us a thousand - now 12 thousand with copecks. We would have last year, not raised by your friend - so in general would be almost happiness ...
          Well, you see, an obvious increase, but they could have decreased. am Here's a positive ---- "" did not take away, and that’s good ""

          Health and prosperity, Dmitry! hi

          This increase is a mockery. For the reproduction of themselves, the working class, the proletariat, working people - as you like, must have a security (salary, income, whatever the name) about 200 tr. (at current prices) per family soul. And here a little more is given not monthly, but only once after the birth of the child. What a bounty!
          1. Reptiloid 18 January 2020 20: 52 New
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            I think, Alesander, in the head of those who are calculating the addition, the figure “3500 for macaroni” ”(the former minister said) was perniciously dirty, judging by the size of the increase.
            Now almost everyone works for more than 8 hours. They try to have all kinds of children go to classes, both paid and free, they remove their grandmothers from work .... If there is such an opportunity
            Quote: McAr
            ,,,,,, This increase looks like a mockery. For the reproduction of themselves, the working class, the proletariat, working people - as you like, must have a security (salary, income, whatever the name) about 200 tr. (at current prices) per family soul. And here a little more is given not monthly, but only once after the birth of the child. What a bounty!
            1. Mcar 19 January 2020 04: 08 New
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              Now almost everyone works for more than 8 hours.

              This is also an interesting story.

              Over the past 100 years, labor productivity has grown many times, literally by orders of magnitude - by tens, or even hundreds of times. And the working day as it was 8 hours, and remained. However, the welfare, standard of living of the majority has not grown as much as productivity. According to various estimates, the proletariat "fights off" its salary in 1-2 hours at most. And this means that if there weren’t a parasitic superstructure in the form of capitalists, we could already afford a working day for about 4 hours and at the same time a much higher standard of living.
        2. Svarog 18 January 2020 13: 12 New
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          Quote: Reptiloid
          Well, you see, an obvious increase, but they could have decreased. Here's a positive ---- "" did not take away, and that’s good ""

          Our state as an illusionist is a magician .. it seems that they haven’t taken it away .. with one hand they show how pensions have grown (albeit at a ridiculous thousand rubles), and with the other hand they raise VAT and tariffs ..
          1. Monster_Fat 18 January 2020 14: 37 New
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            Our state as a magician is an illusionist ..

            The state - Russia, or rather the Russian government and the president, like magicians, with a wave of the hand, shifts from the pockets of the poorest part of the population to the pockets of the well-to-do part of the population, and even tax benefits and state aid from the nouveau riche, as "victims of sanctions."
          2. Reptiloid 18 January 2020 21: 06 New
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            Quote: Svarog
            Quote: Reptiloid
            Well, you see, an obvious increase, but they could have decreased. Here's a positive ---- "" did not take away, and that’s good ""

            Our state as an illusionist is a magician .. it seems that they haven’t taken it away .. with one hand they show how pensions have grown (albeit at a ridiculous thousand rubles), and with the other hand they raise VAT and tariffs ..

            In fact, they took about a million from all future pensioners through pension reform. This is a forbidden method, they say little about it.
            Mom’s retirement benefits were northern, when she registered for a pension, they fixed such obstacles for her, with all the documents, she was simply shocked, but she managed to apply for it.
    2. for
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      January, began to receive even less than 13 thousand rubles.

      I apologize to you that the cost of living is 13 thousand. Maybe she hasn’t been paid benefits yet, last night they listed only, and usually at the beginning of the month. (Samara)
    3. Gray brother 18 January 2020 11: 30 New
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      this surcharge was removed

      Surcharge comes from the regional budget, and a pension from the federal - hello to the governor, this is something the local authorities are troubled by.
      My mother receives a pension of 8500 + 1700 type for medicines and the same amount from the city, it turns out twenty with a penny somewhere.
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        Quote: Gray Brother
        the same amount from the city, it turns out twenty with a penny somewhere.

        I don’t know where such surcharges (10) the city is doing, if it were everywhere like this for 000.
        1. Gray brother 18 January 2020 12: 09 New
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          Quote: for
          I don’t know where such surcharges (10 000) do the city,

          In Moscow.
          Quote: for
          if it were everywhere like this for 20.

          If they collected the same amount of taxes, then maybe there would have been more. But this is unrealistic.
          In my village, pensioners receive about 13K, for this amount they live just as “good” as they do in Moscow for twenty.
          Here are those who moved to live from Moscow there, they live normally - a pension of 20 + rent an apartment in Moscow and you can not steam at all.
          If I survive, I will do so too.
          1. Lars971a 18 January 2020 12: 46 New
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            Quote: Gray Brother
            In Moscow.
            Moscow is a separate state, that's how the border of Moscow will reach us, then we will receive as in Moscow. If we survive ......................
            1. Gray brother 18 January 2020 12: 50 New
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              Quote: Lars971A
              Moscow is a separate state,

              Moscow is a separate subject of the federation with its regional budget, as elsewhere.
              It’s just that about 14 million people live here, this is almost every tenth Russian.
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                Quote: Gray Brother
                It’s just that about 14 million people live here, this is almost every tenth Russian.

                Another bunch of enterprises registered in Moscow. Smoke the air with us, and pay taxes in the capital ...
                1. Gray brother 18 January 2020 13: 31 New
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                  Quote: hohkn
                  Another bunch of enterprises registered in Moscow. Smoke the air with us, and pay taxes in the capital ...

                  If the company is registered in Moscow and the production is located in the regions, then taxes are paid as follows: PIT for local employees in the region, PIT for Moscow employees (if any) in Moscow, VAT goes to the federal budget (which is not the budget of Moscow) property tax - at the location (registration) of the property. Income tax is paid here and there.

                  Teach materiel.
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                    Quote: Gray Brother
                    Teach materiel.

                    You do not know how all this is easily done?
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                      Quote: hohkn
                      You do not know how all this is easily done?

                      Tell me.
                  2. WIKI 18 January 2020 16: 17 New
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                    Quote: Gray Brother
                    Teach materiel.

                    Teach materiel.
                    1. Gray brother 18 January 2020 16: 22 New
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                      Quote: WIKI

                      Teach materiel.

                      There are subsidized regions, and there are donor regions. The tax on the extraction of natural resources remains in the regions by 60%.
                      Who this washcloth I do not know.
                      1. WIKI 18 January 2020 16: 48 New
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                        The question is not how much tax on natural resources remains in the regions, but what does Moscow have to do with it? Natalya Vasilievna Zubarevich - Russian economic geographer, specialist in the field of socio-economic development of regions, social and political geography. Professor of the Department of Economic and Social Geography of Russia, Faculty of Geography, Moscow State University named after MV Lomonosov.
                      2. Gray brother 18 January 2020 16: 53 New
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                        Quote: WIKI
                        What does Moscow have to do with it?

                        Nothing to do with it. She has her own regional budget. And it makes payments to the federal budget because it is a donor region, without receiving any payments from it for exactly the same reason.
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                        Quote: Gray Brother
                        because it is a donor region,

                        Then enlighten, due to what in fact is Moscow a donor?
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                        Quote: WIKI
                        due to what in fact is Moscow a donor?

                        Due to the fact that she pays the loot to the federal budget, and she receives nothing from there.
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                        Where does such happiness come from? At the expense of what does she pay this loot?
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                        Quote: WIKI
                        Where does such happiness come from? At the expense of what does she pay this loot?

                        Due to collected taxes.
                      7. WIKI 20 January 2020 10: 24 New
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                        For example, income tax is paid on profits. And it depends on labor productivity. Moscow leaders among industrial companies:
                        http://www.up-pro.ru/library/production_management/productivity/vyruchka-2019.html
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                        Quote: WIKI
                        Moscow leaders among industrial companies:

                        About the materiel I wrote above. Repeat the same thing several times, I have no desire.
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        Quote: WIKI
        Quote: Gray Brother
        Teach materiel.

        Teach materiel.

        already slipped to the echo of Moscow !!! wassat laughing
        1. WIKI 19 January 2020 21: 55 New
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          already slipped to the echo of Moscow !!!

          Do you have checkers or go? If you want to know what is the actual state of our society in numbers, then this woman gives information in kind in numbers. It makes no difference to me in which information source a person shares information that I will not hear from the screen of our leading TV channels. This is her statement to the Federation Council: This is on OTR channel
  • tihonmarine 18 January 2020 15: 10 New
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    If I survive, I will do so too.

    Well, this is also what no way out. At least your garden will help.
    1. Gray brother 18 January 2020 16: 55 New
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      At least your garden will help.

      If only as a hobby.
      And so there you can collect the dough, if you wish, you only need to go to the forest, but it is better to go by car.
  • New Year day 18 January 2020 11: 50 New
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    Putin seems to have already dealt with this approach of the Pension Fund, but the president doesn’t see a decree.

    so no money request
    1. Gray brother 18 January 2020 12: 00 New
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      so no money

      I’m also surprised - why didn’t they fit in cardboard boxes? And the MFCs are god-lousy, so go in there and generally go awesome - clean, bright, "renovation" is everywhere, the staff is friendly ...
      - Ugh!
    2. tihonmarine 18 January 2020 15: 12 New
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      so no money

      Like the Trumptower
  • The leader of the Redskins 18 January 2020 10: 21 New
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    For some reason, figures are not given minus how many thousands of pensioners will feel this increase in 2022. People who worked for the state, gave it health, youth, sacrificed goods ...
    1. K-612-O 18 January 2020 10: 53 New
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      Well, in the 90s, a very significant part of the current pensioners did not work for any state, and they did not have experience for this period, regarding the size of pensions and who owes it. If you didn’t pay any contributions or taxes, now someone owes them. This is from the salaries of currently working pensions. Those who worked for the state all the time (for example, my mother) now receive 19500. And then I still help her.
      And on a good retirement, one must save oneself, but wait for handouts.
      1. Ingvar 72 18 January 2020 11: 11 New
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        And on a good retirement, one must save oneself, and NOT wait for handouts.

        Wow, well done! good Then why taxes? 34% goes to the FIU.
        1. Gray brother 18 January 2020 12: 47 New
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          Wow, well done! Then why taxes? 34% goes to the FIU.

          Many under the contract receive a minimum salary - from it and deductions. It’s not customary to knock on the employer, hence all the problems.
          1. Svarog 18 January 2020 13: 16 New
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            Many under the contract receive a minimum salary - from it and deductions. It’s not customary to knock on the employer, hence all the problems.

            It’s accepted .. as usual .. Many try to sue employers .. but the court is always or almost always on the side of the gentleman .. We have all the laws passed so that the gentleman feels good .. and the Duma specifically accepts the laws of the landowners ..
            1. Gray brother 18 January 2020 13: 21 New
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              So many are trying to sue employers.

              You do not understand what I'm writing.
              No need to sue the employers - this is the concern of the prosecutor's office and the tax, they will bruise them.
              Tax evasion is a financial crime and every law-abiding citizen must report it to the appropriate authorities, and not engage in concealment.
              1. Svarog 18 January 2020 13: 28 New
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                Quote: Gray Brother
                Tax evasion is a financial crime and every law-abiding citizen must report it to the appropriate authorities, and not engage in concealment.

                You are right in fact .. but in fact .. You understand that this will ruin small business .. yes and medium .. I think, just for this reason, they did not make the RFP fully official .. Now the state just wants to and everyone there will be official ZPs, it’s not at all difficult to do this .. But creating conditions for small and medium-sized businesses to develop is much more difficult .. So we have closed more than 2000 small enterprises this year ..
                1. Gray brother 18 January 2020 13: 42 New
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                  You understand that this will ruin a small business .. yes and medium ..

                  I understand that prices will rise everywhere. But nothing comes from nowhere.

                  There is an alternative - let the workers pay their taxes themselves, and remove these duties from the employer altogether.
                  If you want to pay "this power," if you don’t pay, you will get what you deserve, in fairness.
                  But then people will get less, it’s not the percentage that’s already from the white part, but the full salary. And again there will be no feed in the horse.
                  There are no good solutions.
        2. NKT
          NKT 18 January 2020 13: 47 New
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          Well, you are bent))

          ESN-30% [22% - PFR, 5.1% - Medical insurance, 2.9% - Social insurance]

          Previously, out of 22%, 16% went to the maintenance of current retirees, and 6% went to your accumulation. Then 6% froze and all 22% go to current pensioners + additional from the budget.
        3. tihonmarine 18 January 2020 15: 13 New
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          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Then why taxes? 34% goes to the FIU.

          But how much will the total tax be?
          1. Gray brother 18 January 2020 16: 16 New
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            But how much will the total tax be?

            It is necessary not to reflect, but to disseminate laughing
            1. Golovan Jack 18 January 2020 16: 25 New
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              It is necessary not to reflect, but to disseminate

              It is full of characters holy following this covenant of Navalny.

              You just talked with a couple of them, if you didn’t notice it suddenly wink
              1. Gray brother 18 January 2020 16: 37 New
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                if you did not notice it suddenly

                I noticed.
                It is impossible to go past such wonderful people)))
            2. tihonmarine 18 January 2020 16: 44 New
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              It is necessary not to reflect, but to disseminate

              Yes, I just did not understand why 34%
              1. Gray brother 18 January 2020 16: 50 New
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                Yes, I just did not understand why 34%

                And FIG knows him.
                I might be wrong, but now it seems like this:
                Personal income tax 13%
                FIU 22%
                FSS 3%
                MHIF 5%
                Total: 43%
                This is what the employer pays.
                1. tihonmarine 18 January 2020 18: 19 New
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                  Quote: Gray Brother
                  This is what the employer pays.

                  Taxes, as in Europe, salaries as in ???
                  1. Gray brother 18 January 2020 18: 25 New
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                    Taxes, as in Europe, salaries as in ???

                    So in Europe just all this is taken from an individual, and in our country the employer, in addition to the salary to the employee, pays the state.
                    Most people don’t care about this kitchen - it goes through accounting and is invisible and insensible to them.
                    1. tihonmarine 18 January 2020 18: 53 New
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                      Quote: Gray Brother
                      So in Europe just all this is taken from an individual, and in our country the employer, in addition to the salary to the employee, pays the state.

                      Well, yes, I pay 20% after 500 euros (do not tax up to 500).
        4. K-612-O 19 January 2020 07: 54 New
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          I already wrote that our parents would pay pensions! With our contributions, they are now paid pensions.
          1. Ingvar 72 19 January 2020 07: 59 New
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            what would our parents pay pensions!

            Unrealistic. Some have no children, others five. A more optimal system is when you yourself save up for retirement. The only problem is what to do with those who are already retired or in pre-retirement age. But this is a state problem, and it can be solved. With such reserves and resources.
      2. Egg
        Egg 18 January 2020 11: 43 New
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        Quote: K-612-O
        Well, in the 90s, a very significant part of the current pensioners did not work for any state, and they did not have experience for this period, regarding the size of pensions and who owes it. If you didn’t pay any contributions or taxes, now someone owes them. This is from the salaries of currently working pensions. Those who worked for the state all the time (for example, my mother) now receive 19500. And then I still help her.
        And on a good retirement, one must save oneself, but wait for handouts.

        Another bot freshly ... from the pension fund?
        In the 90s, people didn’t voluntarily work for the state, hundreds of thousands, even millions of people were thrown into the street from privatized enterprises and were forced to work for a private trader. And then, when the FIU began to personify the pension account, they learned that the private trader did not make contributions to the FIU and these years are not included in the experience !!!
        He himself lost almost 4 years of experience. Is it the people to blame or the state that changed the rules almost every month and could not / did not want to ensure the rule of law?
        In such cases, it is better to be silent and sniff in a rag. fool
        1. K-612-O 19 January 2020 07: 56 New
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          Just of your own free will! Who Union profiled, who needed jeans and cans? And who shouted down with the CPSU? They all wanted capitalism, so they got it.
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      3. New Year day 18 January 2020 11: 52 New
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        Quote: K-612-O
        And on a good retirement, one must save oneself, but wait for handouts.

        so Putin says so, so young people do not seek to work legally. Read how the budget income from taxes of working pensioners decreased when they went into the shadows! Budget did not win
      4. AUL
        AUL 18 January 2020 12: 15 New
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        Quote: K-612-O
        And on a good retirement, one must save oneself, but wait for handouts.

        By the way, we all saved up for retirement, deducting part of our salary to the pension fund! And now - you're right, we get a humiliating handout!
      5. Gray brother 18 January 2020 12: 43 New
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        Quote: K-612-O
        and they don’t have experience for this period,

        How familiar I am.
        Quote: K-612-O
        And on a good retirement, one must save oneself, but wait for handouts.

        It is clear that if there is no experience, then there will be pitchforks.
        You just need to soberly assess your prospects, who have a normal white salary and seniority, so you can not bother too much.
        The "airbag" accumulated is not gut - it can be eaten up, the best investment is real estate, I scrape it, not even for the purpose of selling it, but for the purpose of handing it over and getting a small but stable income in addition to retirement.
  • Malevich 18 January 2020 10: 28 New
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    I heartily congratulate those whose projected pensions are expected to grow by 3% this year.
  • Observer2014 18 January 2020 10: 31 New
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    A bank card is opened for each citizen. With time frozen until his retirement age. With accompanying wills, etc. of a particular citizen. The account is indexed by inflation and grows from bank interest. Plus, naturally, its pension deductions. There comes a time or citizen's retirement age, or God forbid him fatal disease. His account defrosts. Everything. Nakoy devil we keep these parasites from the pension fund? Why invent a bicycle?
    1. Ingvar 72 18 January 2020 11: 13 New
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      Why come up with a bike?

      No, the process itself is important. For during the process all sorts of schemes of cheating are invented.
      1. major147 18 January 2020 11: 35 New
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        all sorts of cheating schemes are invented.

        How many different "pension reforms" have been in recent years? Continuous sell! My wife (a medic) retired, so a friend working in a pension fund categorically did not recommend participating in PF projects! Throw, said! And it turned out to be right. Where are all these "invest a ruble, get two" !?
      2. garri-lin 18 January 2020 12: 31 New
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        This is not a bike. This is an urgent, long-term contribution with the possibility of replenishment. If the bank is honest, then such deposits do not even need to be indexed. A percentage of the bank will block inflation and make a profit. The perfect tool. The perfect tool. And it is impossible to get around it. Only arrogant crime involving very high-ranking bank employees. And from this remedy: insurance plus prosecutors.
        1. Vadim237 18 January 2020 16: 17 New
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          Only here is the problem of how to make sure that people do not withdraw all money from these accounts at once and do not profuka, and the idea with a closed bank account at 10% per annum and state insurance is what you need.
          1. garri-lin 18 January 2020 17: 18 New
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            Well, for this, there is urgency. To withdraw money it was possible only after a certain date. And then the man himself is free. Do you want to debit the debit, you want to give grandchildren a gift. Optimally this is a debit with a limit. So that a month you can withdraw no more than a specific amount. And money is always in the ownership of man. And the heirs will remain in the event of a tragedy.
            1. Vadim237 19 January 2020 15: 58 New
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              There will be restrictions on the withdrawal from the account of no more than 25000 per month - since if a pensioner removes everything at once and proves what he will continue to live on, but in case of death, the accumulated amount will be inherited.
              1. garri-lin 19 January 2020 16: 11 New
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                The amount can be negotiated at the end of the "urgency" of the account. Maybe 25 mp. But if a person worked hard, then maybe 50 and 125 tr. Suppose a monthly transfer to the account of 6 tr. 11 months in 30 years is almost two million. Plus interest. The amount will double. This year, 400 will be only interest at a rate of 000%. Of course, I do not take inflation into account, but the account will be replenished taking into account inflation. Initially, 10 then increasing. Modern retirees have not even dreamed of this.
        2. Egg
          Egg 20 January 2020 05: 37 New
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          If the bank is honest, then such deposits do not even need to be indexed.

          And if not honest? We all banks right and shine with honesty, yeah.
          And if our, exclusively beloved government needs to bring down the ruble again, in order to support close exporters? What then?
          Or do you think it (the beloved government) will index these contributions? Hear the famous phrase of Medvedev.
          Example: Sberbank deposits, and after all it was a state bank, how many people were paid compensation?
          1. garri-lin 20 January 2020 10: 20 New
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            Sberbank is tears. I had a car on my book. Parents have always been, and are, hard workers. And my sister’s car was on a book. And there was nothing left. Only the book itself. About 30 years later I will put it on Avito as a rarity. But the honesty of banks is a separate conversation. And about the honesty of the government. But at least something. But the PF that in full view that in profile it bred in its purest form. Like the thimbles at the train station.
    2. dauria 18 January 2020 11: 50 New
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      A bank card is opened for each citizen. With time frozen until his retirement age.


      It remains to choose a bank. "Bank of New York" is normal, sort of. laughing In Spain it is possible, in Switzerland, in England .. All "ours" hold a personal retirement account there.
      In Russia, everything is simple. How old.
      "She will go with me; she cannot stay here; and tell the old woman that, they say, it's time to die, healed, you need to know and honor. But he won’t see us again."
    3. New Year day 18 January 2020 12: 44 New
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      Quote: Observer2014
      Nakoy devil us keep these parasites from the pension fund?

      in China there is no pension fund at all and live
    4. Svarog 18 January 2020 13: 18 New
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      Why come up with a bike?

      You are absolutely right .. the more complicated and confusing the scheme, the greater the opportunity to feed on this scheme .. Actually, they come up with a bike for this ..
    5. reservist 20 January 2020 13: 36 New
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      Account indexed by inflation

      I don’t mind and agree about the parasites ... but I would like to know where the funds for indexation will be taken from and who / how will calculate inflation ... otherwise I can’t somehow believe in the declared 3% of inflation over the past year ...
  • Free wind 18 January 2020 10: 34 New
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    Pensions will grow, and then grow even more, cheers !!!!!!
  • JD1979 18 January 2020 10: 34 New
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    And you listened to another tale about a white bull in the performance of the pension fund choir.
  • 75 Sergey 18 January 2020 10: 36 New
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    I recently bought 100 rubles for 100 rubles, so they have risen in price before my eyes and have become my 600 thousand for XNUMX rubles wooden per minute.
  • rotmistr60 18 January 2020 10: 37 New
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    The Pension Fund reported on how pensions will grow to 2022 году
    With all due respect, but if we survive, we will see. Hopes to have to.
    1. Kleber 18 January 2020 11: 24 New
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      Perhaps we will see that by 2022 this amount will be enough only for fragrant soap and fluffy rope.
  • rocket757 18 January 2020 10: 43 New
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    Pension muhlezh a lot where there is! and also under panfares of officials and other "responsible"! Nothing new.
    Our "responsible" sort out / invent systems that do not work for people, future retirees, but what gives them a satisfying life!
    They won’t look for a good, wise, useful for citizens decision! Not under what they are imprisoned, it is not included in their plans!
    1. tihonmarine 18 January 2020 15: 20 New
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      Pension muhlezh a lot where there is! and also under panfares of officials and other "responsible"! Nothing new.

      And not only in Russia.
      1. rocket757 18 January 2020 16: 06 New
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        And not only in Russia.

        About that and speech. Everywhere where people are trying to fuck, and not give them, they are cheating, cheating and stripping.
    2. Varyag71 20 January 2020 11: 44 New
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      FIU is a real financial pyramid!
      1. rocket757 20 January 2020 11: 51 New
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        it wasn’t invented by ours, but they successfully scuffled.
  • Mihail55 18 January 2020 10: 46 New
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    How much can you scoff! MEDIUM ... an ex-deputy of a Duma, an official ... and an elderly nurse! A minimum legitimize WEAK ???
  • Livonetc 18 January 2020 10: 47 New
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    In the photo is a pensioner, a pigeon hunter.
    Decent rich broth.
    ....!
  • TokarevT 18 January 2020 10: 52 New
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    True, they modestly kept silent how in parallel the incomes of Drozdov and his relatives would grow.
    Probably, by this time, Drozdov will be able to afford several more apartments of 500 million rubles.
    But what if a significant increase in the brood would be against the backdrop of such abundance?
    We must take care in advance!
    1. mikh-korsakov 18 January 2020 11: 15 New
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      It’s not directly in the subject, but personally I want to know, because I want our new prime minister to be clean in the sense of corruption, so that no State Department and no Navalny can find fault. Mr. Mishustin’s wife “earned” about 1 billion rubles in twenty years. At the same time raised three children. Far from whining on the topic - all thieves. You never know what. Maybe Mr. Mishustin in the nineties successfully put a voucher in his wife, I don’t know. And critics didn’t invest in their wives, but nevertheless, scrupulousness is needed in money matters, Mr. Mishustin knows this better than me.
      1. TokarevT 18 January 2020 11: 28 New
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        As I understand it, he wrapped a member with a voucher and invested in his wife, as a result, both here and there a significant offspring.
        You must be able, however!
      2. Nyrobsky 18 January 2020 12: 46 New
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        Quote: mikh-korsakov
        Mr. Mishustin’s wife “earned” about 1 billion rubles in twenty years. At the same time raised three children. Far from whining on the topic - all thieves. You never know what. Maybe Mr. Mishustin in the nineties successfully put a voucher in his wife, I don’t know.

        Judging by the fact that there are three children, he successfully invested his "voucher" in it three times.
  • Chaldon48 18 January 2020 11: 06 New
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    3%, how is it? With a pension of 10000, as many as 300 roll away?
  • for
    for 18 January 2020 11: 07 New
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    I'm more interested in prices by 2022.
    1. bessmertniy 18 January 2020 11: 30 New
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      If at such a pace as now, then 12-15% of products will grow. what
    2. Chaldon48 18 January 2020 11: 32 New
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      What they wanted, prices to find out, it's a state secret!
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  • Kleber 18 January 2020 11: 20 New
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    Pension for the elderly once to go to the pharmacy. Mock retirees as they want.
    1. Nyrobsky 18 January 2020 12: 49 New
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      Pension for the elderly once to go to the pharmacy. Mock retirees as they want.

      And then they wonder why, with all their zeal for denigrating the “scoop”, Stalin’s rating is growing and the “free” people in the USSR want.
      1. Kleber 18 January 2020 12: 58 New
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        In my opinion no one is surprised.
  • Lesorub 18 January 2020 11: 36 New
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    The PFR says that the average pension in 2022 will be 18290 rubles.

    In the USSR, they reported on the work done or on the fact committed in fact, in present-day Russia they are reporting on future plans)! On 2022
  • New Year day 18 January 2020 11: 43 New
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    .... in 2019, pensions in real terms increased by 2,5%.

    I didn’t notice this, and mother too. Stop lying. With your reform, you have put an end to faith in you.
  • Gardamir 18 January 2020 11: 47 New
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    Truly, we live in a country of fairy tales. They tell us that by 2030 so many pieces of equipment will enter the troops. Now a new tale. But how they laughed at the Communists, at their promises. But the Communists at least did something, and these ...
  • Langf 18 January 2020 12: 24 New
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    Literally 2 days ago, it seems that Ura.ru (I don’t remember exactly) is publishing a statistical report: since January 6, Russians' expenses have risen by 23% (an average purchase receipt is presented). Kuzbass: since September, overhaul fees have been increased by about 80% (about a week and a half ago they throw a test ball, which is not enough - they need another 2 times); housing services in three cities (Novokuznetsk, Myski and some other) will be increased by a maximum of 15%. Who can make fun of it when any increase in pensions is immediately accompanied by their anticipatory withdrawal? Money does not go into lively commodity circulation, not into the promotion of the economy, but get stuck in non-turnover primary services.
    1. Nyrobsky 18 January 2020 19: 23 New
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      Quote: Langf
      Who can make fun of it when any increase in pensions is immediately accompanied by their anticipatory withdrawal? Money does not go into lively commodity circulation, not into the promotion of the economy, but get stuck in non-negotiable primary services.

      Short and accurate! You can’t say better! + hi
  • Ros 56 18 January 2020 12: 34 New
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    Well, with such a pension you can travel ..... by tram in the city.
    1. Nyrobsky 18 January 2020 19: 24 New
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      Quote: Ros 56
      Well, with such a pension you can travel ..... by tram in the city.

      And then the "hare"!
  • mag nit 18 January 2020 12: 43 New
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    Tales from Grandpa Pu.
  • Shelest2000 18 January 2020 12: 43 New
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    According to Mr. Drozdov

    And they believe .... At one of the forums (I will not advertise it, there all the people cry laughing ), a guy living in the village told me that everyone in the village for our Guarantor and the Government was tearing the t-shirts - they added a pension as much as three hundred rubles!
    1. Ros 56 19 January 2020 09: 11 New
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      There is no need to lie, as promised, they added 14 to the average amount of 000, 1000 to 10. To whom they accrued + 000%. And so our pension is good, only small. laughing laughing laughing
  • Izotovp 18 January 2020 13: 13 New
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    There are lies, propaganda and statistics
    1. Shelest2000 20 January 2020 18: 44 New
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      There is a lie, there is a big lie and there are statistics (s)
  • parusnik 18 January 2020 13: 31 New
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    Hmm ... pensions to pensioners are increased so that they are already tired of traveling to the city of Paris, to feed pigeons and sparrows on the Champs Elysees, as Boris Yeltsin, the unforgettable one, promised ... laughing
  • Prisoner 18 January 2020 14: 45 New
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    "... It’s a pity only - to live in this wonderful time
    It’s not necessary - neither to me, nor to you ... "(c) laughing laughing laughing I am changing the huge pension in the future to the gallows for the leaders of the Russian PF in the present.
  • GenNick 18 January 2020 15: 58 New
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    Quote: Izotovp
    There are lies, propaganda and statistics

    Let me fix it
    statistics are lies and propaganda ...
  • frizzy 18 January 2020 16: 16 New
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    A person lives 10 years. 7 years before school and 3 years after retirement. And why can’t you accumulate dough for ten years? Shame and nothing more. Stop the nightmare of the Cabinet.
  • fif21 18 January 2020 20: 09 New
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    Would count for 100 years! It would be 600% wassat And they are not ashamed to voice such numbers? Although, what am I talking about !? Real inflation is secret, but how else to hang noodles on the ears of the electorate? hi
  • shura7782 18 January 2020 20: 19 New
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    The Pension Fund reported on how pensions will grow by 2022
    I am a senior citizen, and I should be looking forward to this moment with joy. But only my observations and life experience tell me that by the year 22, prices will jump so that this increase in pension is unlikely to cover them.
  • georggy 19 January 2020 04: 34 New
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    Pensions will never grow.
    But people will die out.
  • amr
    amr 19 January 2020 11: 10 New
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    Quote: LeonidL
    As far as I know in other countries, also non-milk rivers in the chocolate banks

    Well, yes, that's why, in all corners of the world, our pensioners, along with German, American, Swedish, Finnish, Japanese, have flooded all resorts and always snoop around all the sights, they live on an equal footing !!!
    1. Vadim237 19 January 2020 16: 04 New
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      If they snoop, then 10 percent of the entire mass of pensioners as well as in: American, Swiss, Finnish, Japanese, etc. who have what opportunities and whom relatives help financially.