The Pension Fund reported on how pensions will grow by 2022

In Russia, pension reform is continuing, which for the vast majority of Russians causes nothing but rejection and irritation. This rejection is connected not only with an increase in the retirement age, but also with the fact that at the moment the promises of the authorities about a “substantial increase” in pensions are not justified.

Against this background, data were announced about what pensions Russians will receive in 2 years, about the growth rate of pensions by 2022. The relevant information was published by the “RG” with reference to the head of the Pension Fund Anton Drozdov.

According to Mr. Drozdov, the average increase in pensions for Russians by 2022 in comparison with 2019 will be 18%. Translated into absolute values, this means roughly the following: if a certain Russian pensioner received a pension (“old age”) in the amount of 2019 thousand rubles in 10, then in 2022 its amount will be 11800 rubles.

The PFR says that the average pension in 2022 will be 18290 rubles.

Whether such growth can be called “substantial” in the course of the well-known reform is a rather rhetorical question. Moreover, we must not forget that we are talking about "average" values ​​of growth (even as a percentage). That is, some of the citizens will receive smaller increases.

State authorities continue to insist that indexation of pensions is ahead of inflation.

Meanwhile, the Ministry of Economic Development notes that in 2019, pensions in real terms increased by 2,5%. This year, growth is projected at 3 percent.

Comments

[Ingvar 72]

State authorities continue to insist that indexation of pensions outstrips inflation

Do they go to the shops themselves in government bodies? Pensions since 2014 increased by 20%, and prices doubled.
It would be better if the number of parasites was reduced - the PF of Russia ranks first in the world in terms of the number of employees.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Do they go to the shops themselves in government bodies? Pensions since 2014 increased by 20%, and prices doubled.

According to Mr. Drozdov, the average increase in pensions for Russians by 2022 in comparison with 2019 will be 18%. Translated into absolute values, this means roughly the following: if a certain Russian pensioner received a pension (“old age”) in the amount of 2019 thousand rubles in 10, then in 2022 its amount will be 11800 rubles.

And then, as elsewhere and always - if an official "from the mountain" in retirement receives 50 - 000 rubles, then what will he get? This is how the average pension is 80 rubles!

[Ingvar 72]

Mother in 2014 received 13 tr, now 16 tr. Veteran of labour.

[knn54]

Well at least not "shown" ...

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Mother in 2014 received 13 tr, now 16 tr. Veteran of labour.

I don’t know how my mother had what, now 11tr. But ---- here the other day, she remembered that Medvedev, the president, the former, had promised promises of a strong increase in pensions precisely by the year 20 .... Where is it?
How would she live at 11 if not for me?

[New Year day]

Quote: Reptiloid

But ---- here, the other day, she remembered that Medvedev, the president, and the former, had promises of a strong increase in pensions precisely by the year 20 .... Where is it?

LIED. lie and will lie

[Flooding]

Quote: Silvestr

LIED. lie and will lie

They say that in China there is no pension system.
Need explanation to the picture.

[_Sergei_]

In China, pensions are received by party officials, high-ranking government officials and the military (officers). And also you can retire if you have accumulated and paid tax from the accumulation.

[Flooding]

Quote: _Sergey_

In China, pensions are received by party officials, high-ranking government officials and the military (officers). And also you can retire if you have accumulated and paid tax from the accumulation.

I mean, the above infographics are incorrect.

[antivirus]

I do not need growth to 22 g, only to 2030.
cancel all indexing up to 30g

[Machito]

He began to laugh when he had not yet read the end of the article. There is no money, but you hold on. When will you get drunk already, swallowing?

[New Year day]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Mother in 2014 received 13 tr, now 16 tr

mine in 2014 - 11 thousand, in 2019 - the same 11 thousand. Work experience more than 40 years

[hydrox]

In general, Ingvar has a pro-government position, because he cannot receive a pension of 3 tyr in three years. to jump: unless his mother crossed the threshold of survival ...

[New Year day]

Quote: hydrox

unless his mother crossed the threshold of survival ..

my 78, barely moving and 11 thousand. All supply at my expense, maybe because I'm not pro-government. In the very same as it was 16 - it remains

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: hydrox

In general, Ingvar has a pro-government position,

Why did you identify me as a power lover? Mom will knock 70 this year, she plowed her whole life at the VAZ. About two months ago, I asked her about retirement, how much was in the 14th, and how much now. I gave the answer in the numbers above. I did not make out the pension structure of my mother.
But it’s still a penny, it used to be enough, it was even possible to postpone, now it’s not enough, despite the fact that the subsidiary farm.

[hydrox]

Again forced to drop the charge ...
I apologize.

[NKT]

As far as I know, experience for people of that generation plays a small role in the size of the pension, since there is a cut-off. If he hadn’t, then your mother, with 40 years of experience, would have been in the region of 30 tr.

[hydrox]

The whole question is in whose favor clipping ...
I had a salary of 520 rubles under the Soviets, and I did not sit at home until my retirement day: so when I retired I didn’t want to take into account the bonus either, and my salary was cut off - and now yes, a penny ...

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: hydrox

I had a salary of 520 rubles under the Soviets

Miner, or what?

Quote: hydrox

and now yes, a penny ...

Well, in comparison with the "520 with the advice" "now it's a penny" you can name a lot ...

So what did you work with, my friend? And what is now on hand?

[hydrox]

Not a miner, employee of the Siberian Branch of the Academy of Sciences, defense sector ...
Labor tools: pen, pencil, drawing board, tweezers, soldering iron :: specialization "Instruments and experimental techniques". Endless business trips.
And on the hands of 15 ...

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: hydrox

SB AN

What kind of beast is this?

Quote: hydrox

Labor tools: pen, pencil, drawing board, tweezers, soldering iron :: specialization "Instruments and experimental techniques"

A technician with the highest technical ... as a maximum. Well, and - for what 520?

Quote: hydrox

And on hand 15

Well, no luck ... it happens

[LeonidL]

Out of luck for you. My friends from the "defense sectors" (Snezhinsk, Sarov, etc.) receive "putinks" and are quite satisfied. Retirees (especially whims, colonels and above) - even more so. But in principle, if without emotion ... whoever has invested how much, he gets so much back. Capitalism (which the plebs dreamed of so much) came at the request of the respected public in 1991 to replace socialism, why should the public now blame the mirror? As far as I know, in other countries, too, there are no milk rivers in the chocolate shores, in the USA, for example, even with a decent salary of a person of 67 (!) Years, his social security pension (equivalent to the one in the Russian Federation) is about 2000 a month , and with a normal salary of a worker and 900. Yes, federal tax and payment for old-age health insurance are also removed from them. Especially on the remaining money, do not roam, taking into account the rent of the apartment, payments for everything, meals, etc. Roughly the same as in the Russian Federation and in other countries. And the civil servants of the Russian Federation, they are also different and different salaries and pensions. So there are no especially big reasons for lamenting and cursing - what was planted, then it grew. In all countries, the sovereign's people receive decent pensions, and this is right (it is assumed that they do not steal, but they steal - they sit down). The rest are recommended to get used to the robbery, but in its own way just, capitalist system (we have no other system for you) - to earn more not in an envelope, but according to a statement, or put it aside for old age in a bank (preferably glass), or bring up and educate heirs well, which will contain. Well, and for the veterans and home front workers, let's rejoice without any malice. More or less like this.

[hydrox]

That "defense sector, which you are talking about, is not a sector, this is the defense industry itself, but the sector there is nuclear, well, what can I say about them: two words -" nuclear shield "- everything is fine there.
And my "defense sector" is located at the Academy of Sciences ...

[LeonidL]

You are right again - that is, confirm exactly what I was talking about. AN is not a defense industry, there are always salaries even under the USSR and so on, which is much skinny; science is different for science. What can you do, it was so, it is, and something is unlikely to change. Therefore, the salvation of drowning people is the business of the drowning people themselves, especially under capitalism.

[_Sergei_]

He left with Russian Railways, and earned a pension there. Now the pension with the addition of 18700 + 615 is veteran.

[hydrox]

It’s interesting, but the supplement — in which cities is it issued except Moscow?

[_Sergei_]

Altay

[hydrox]

Thank you!
Altaians have something to pay for.
It’s even more interesting here: my comments (see a little higher) have already been dismissed :: are Moscow, liberal or federal thieves minus?

[_Sergei_]

The surcharge is only veteran, but for the Semipalatinsk test site did not have time to draw up. There are also about 1000.

[hydrox]

The landfill is harsh!
Worked in Zhangiz ...

[zloybond]

Quote: ... “I don’t know how Skvortsova counted that the life expectancy of men in the Russian Federation is 68,5 years. But, for example, in the statistics on Russia, which is released by the CIA, they do not believe her - they indicate 66 years with a tail.
I note that over the years of technical assistance, the Americans have crept into almost all of our health organizations, as well as local statistics offices, and have quite accurate information "...

[hohkn]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Mother in 2014 received 13 tr, now 16 tr. Veteran of labour.

The wife in the same 2014 received 9 tr, now 10 tr Also a labor veteran ...

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: hohkn

Also a labor veteran ...

I don’t know, maybe some kind of regional allowances.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Starover_Z

If an official "from the mountain" in retirement receives 50 - 000 rubles, then what will he get? This is how the average pension is 80 rubles!

Officials eat meat, and I cabbage, on average we eat cabbage rolls.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Starover_Z

And so it turns out the average pension of 18 rubles!

And what is your real pension for the common people?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Starover_Z

And then, as elsewhere and always - if an official "from the mountain" in retirement receives 50 - 000 rubles, then what will he get? This is how the average pension is 80 rubles!

I don’t understand one thing - if the pension has received a certain "increase", then the purchasing power of the pension should also increase. And if it was indexed due to inflation, but the purchasing power did not increase due to the rise in prices, then what kind of increase is this? This is a common fraud.

[private person]

The Pension Fund reported on how pensions will grow by 2022

And they didn’t say how much they didn’t even have time to reach her pension before she lived.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: private person

they didn’t say how much they didn’t even have time to reach her pension before she lived out?

They counted and rubbed their hands with pleasure ... Ogres .. freezing!

[Thrifty]

To paraphrase Klitschko’s words, I’ll say that only a few will survive in Russia in retirement, not all will survive in retirement in Russia!

[Monster_Fat]

Vanguyu-will significantly increase the pensions of deputies and state officials, throw a decent addition to the security officials' pensions, add a little to the rest of the "plebs", and on average "for the hospital" the amount indicated in the promises will be.

[antivirus]

there are already others. increased, deductions are from the OplTrud Fund

[Svarog]

Quote: Ingvar 72

It would be better if the number of parasites was reduced - the PF of Russia ranks first in the world in terms of the number of employees.

Moreover, we have as many officials as in the Soviet Union, only in the USSR there were twice as many people, and most importantly, there was no Internet and computers that accelerate all work processes by a factor of ten. We probably have the same bureaucracy of the lowest in the world.
And of course, the Federation Council and the Duma .. why are they? Why do we feed them .. they have never defended the interests of Russian citizens ..

[skif8013]

My mother has a pension of 10700 rubles, she lives alone. Kommunalka + Internet + telephone and TV 6500. And how do you tell her to react to the January increase in pension by as much as 600 rubles ?! This is a mockery of retirees!

[SRC P-15]

Pensions in January for some pensioners did not increase, but instead fell! A friend in December received 13 thousand with copecks, and after indexing in January, she began to receive even less than 13 thousand rubles. It seems to her and the others who receive a supplement to the minimum pension, this supplement was removed and the pension as a result of such manipulations decreased. Putin seems to have already dealt with this approach of the Pension Fund, but the president doesn’t see a decree.

[Mcar]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

A friend in December received 13 thousand with copecks, and after indexing in January, began to receive even less than 13 thousand rubles.

And they raised us a thousand - now 12 thousand with copecks. We would have last year, not raised by your friend - so in general would be almost happiness ...

[bessmertniy]

Officially, in 2019, pensions were raised by 2,5%, and utility payments - by 4,5%. That is, the pensioner began to pay more for them, and for everything else he began to have less money than before.

[Mcar]

Quote: bessmertniy

Officially, in 2019, pensions were raised by 2,5%, and utility payments - by 4,5%. That is, the pensioner began to pay more for them, and for everything else he began to have less money than before.

Yes it's all clear

I would like to draw attention to the fact that it would seem that in a united Russia / not a party / people live in such different ways. But is this not a source of separate moods? And what a switchman organizes all this orgy in the country!

[Reptiloid]

Greetings Alexander!

Quote: McAr

...... And they raised us a thousand - now 12 thousand with copecks. We would have last year, not raised by your friend - so in general would be almost happiness ...

Well, you see, an obvious increase, but they could have decreased. Here's a positive ---- "" they didn't take away, and that's good ""

[Mcar]

Quote: Reptiloid

Greetings Alexander!

Quote: McAr

...... And they raised us a thousand - now 12 thousand with copecks. We would have last year, not raised by your friend - so in general would be almost happiness ...

Well, you see, an obvious increase, but they could have decreased. Here's a positive ---- "" they didn't take away, and that's good ""

Health and prosperity, Dmitry!

This increase is a mockery. For the reproduction of themselves, the working class, the proletariat, working people - as you like, must have a security (salary, income, whatever the name) about 200 tr. (at current prices) per family soul. And here a little more is given not monthly, but only once after the birth of the child. What a bounty!

[Reptiloid]

I think, Alesander, in the minds of those who are calculating the addition, the figure "3500 for macaroshki" "(the former minister said), judging by the size of the increments, has perversely sat down.
Now almost everyone works for more than 8 hours. They try to have all kinds of children go to classes, both paid and free, they remove their grandmothers from work .... If there is such an opportunity

Quote: McAr

,,,,,, This increase looks like a mockery. For the reproduction of themselves, the working class, the proletariat, working people - as you like, must have a security (salary, income, whatever the name) about 200 tr. (at current prices) per family soul. And here a little more is given not monthly, but only once after the birth of the child. What a bounty!

[Mcar]

Quote: Reptiloid

Now almost everyone works for more than 8 hours.

This is also an interesting story.

Over the past 100 years, labor productivity has grown many times, literally by orders of magnitude - tens, or even hundreds of times. And the working day remained as it was 8 hours. However, the welfare, the standard of living of the majority did not rise in the same way as the productivity. According to various calculations, the proletariat "beats off" its salary in 1-2 hours maximum. This means that if there were no parasitic superstructure in the form of capitalists, we could have long been able to afford a 4 hour working day and at the same time the standard of living is many times higher.

[Svarog]

Quote: Reptiloid

Well, you see, an obvious increase, but they could have reduced it. Here's a positive ---- "" they didn't take away, and that's good ""

Our state as an illusionist is a magician .. it seems that they haven’t taken it away .. with one hand they show how pensions have grown (albeit at a ridiculous thousand rubles), and with the other hand they raise VAT and tariffs ..

[Monster_Fat]

Our state as a magician is an illusionist ..

The state - Russia, or rather the Russian government and the president, are like magicians, illusionists - with a wave of their hands they shift from the pockets of the poorest part of the population to the pockets of the well-to-do part of the population, and even tax benefits and aid from the state pocket to the nouveau riche as "victims of sanctions."

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Svarog

Quote: Reptiloid

Well, you see, an obvious increase, but they could have reduced it. Here's a positive ---- "" they didn't take away, and that's good ""

Our state as an illusionist is a magician .. it seems that they haven’t taken it away .. with one hand they show how pensions have grown (albeit at a ridiculous thousand rubles), and with the other hand they raise VAT and tariffs ..

In fact, they took about a million from all future pensioners through pension reform. This is a forbidden method, they say little about it.
Mom’s retirement benefits were northern, when she registered for a pension, they fixed such obstacles for her, with all the documents, she was simply shocked, but she managed to apply for it.

[for]

January, began to receive even less than 13 thousand rubles.

I apologize to you that the cost of living is 13 thousand. Maybe she hasn’t been paid benefits yet, last night they listed only, and usually at the beginning of the month. (Samara)

[Gray brother]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

this surcharge was removed

Surcharge comes from the regional budget, and a pension from the federal - hello to the governor, this is something the local authorities are troubled by.
My mother receives a pension of 8500 + 1700 type for medicines and the same amount from the city, it turns out twenty with a penny somewhere.

[for]

Quote: Gray Brother

the same amount from the city, it turns out twenty with a penny somewhere.

I don’t know where such surcharges (10) the city is doing, if it were everywhere like this for 000.

[Gray brother]

Quote: for

I don’t know where such surcharges (10 000) do the city,

In Moscow.

Quote: for

if it were everywhere like this for 20.

If they collected the same amount of taxes, then maybe there would have been more. But this is unrealistic.
In my village, pensioners receive about 13K, for this amount they live just as "well" as in Moscow for twenty.
Here are those who moved to live from Moscow there, they live normally - a pension of 20 + rent an apartment in Moscow and you can not steam at all.
If I survive, I will do so too.

[Lars971a]

Quote: Gray Brother

In Moscow.

Moscow is a separate state, that's how the border of Moscow will reach us, then we will receive as in Moscow. If we survive ......................

[Gray brother]

Quote: Lars971A

Moscow is a separate state,

Moscow is a separate subject of the federation with its regional budget, as elsewhere.
It’s just that about 14 million people live here, this is almost every tenth Russian.

[hohkn]

Quote: Gray Brother

It’s just that about 14 million people live here, this is almost every tenth Russian.

Another bunch of enterprises registered in Moscow. Smoke the air with us, and pay taxes in the capital ...

[Gray brother]

Quote: hohkn

Another bunch of enterprises registered in Moscow. Smoke the air with us, and pay taxes in the capital ...

If the company is registered in Moscow and the production is located in the regions, then taxes are paid as follows: PIT for local employees in the region, PIT for Moscow employees (if any) in Moscow, VAT goes to the federal budget (which is not the budget of Moscow) property tax - at the location (registration) of the property. Income tax is paid here and there.

Teach materiel.

[hohkn]

Quote: Gray Brother

Teach materiel.

You do not know how all this is easily done?

[Gray brother]

Quote: hohkn

You do not know how all this is easily done?

Tell me.

[WIKI]

Quote: Gray Brother

Teach materiel.

Teach materiel.

[Gray brother]

Quote: WIKI

Teach materiel.

There are subsidized regions, and there are donor regions. The tax on the extraction of natural resources remains in the regions by 60%.
Who this washcloth I do not know.

[WIKI]

The question is not how much tax on natural resources remains in the regions, but what does Moscow have to do with it? Natalya Vasilievna Zubarevich - Russian economic geographer, specialist in the field of socio-economic development of regions, social and political geography. Professor of the Department of Economic and Social Geography of Russia, Faculty of Geography, Moscow State University named after MV Lomonosov.

[Gray brother]

Quote: WIKI

What does Moscow have to do with it?

Nothing to do with it. She has her own regional budget. And it makes payments to the federal budget because it is a donor region, without receiving any payments from it for exactly the same reason.

[WIKI]

Quote: Gray Brother

because it is a donor region,

Then enlighten, due to what in fact is Moscow a donor?

[Gray brother]

Quote: WIKI

due to what in fact is Moscow a donor?

Due to the fact that she pays the loot to the federal budget, and she receives nothing from there.

[WIKI]

Where does such happiness come from? At the expense of what does she pay this loot?

[Gray brother]

Quote: WIKI

Where does such happiness come from? At the expense of what does she pay this loot?

Due to collected taxes.

[WIKI]

For example, income tax is paid on profits. And it depends on labor productivity. Moscow leaders among industrial companies:
http://www.up-pro.ru/library/production_management/productivity/vyruchka-2019.html

[Gray brother]

Quote: WIKI

Moscow leaders among industrial companies:

About the materiel I wrote above. Repeat the same thing several times, I have no desire.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: WIKI

Quote: Gray Brother

Teach materiel.

Teach materiel.

already slipped to the echo of Moscow !!!

[WIKI]

Quote: Nikolai the Greek

already slipped to the echo of Moscow !!!

Do you have checkers or go? If you want to know what is the actual state of our society in numbers, then this woman gives information in kind in numbers. It makes no difference to me in which information source a person shares information that I will not hear from the screen of our leading TV channels. This is her statement to the Federation Council: This is on OTR channel

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Gray Brother

If I survive, I will do so too.

Well, this is also what no way out. At least your garden will help.

[Gray brother]

Quote: tihonmarine

At least your garden will help.

If only as a hobby.
And so there you can collect the dough, if you wish, you only need to go to the forest, but it is better to go by car.

[New Year day]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

Putin seems to have already dealt with this approach of the Pension Fund, but the president doesn’t see a decree.

so no money

[Gray brother]

Quote: Silvestr

so no money

I am also surprised - why are they not located in cardboard boxes? And these MFCs are disgusting, so go there and generally go nuts - clean, light, "renovated" everywhere, the staff is friendly ...
- Ugh!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Silvestr

so no money

Something like Trumptower

[The leader of the Redskins]

For some reason, figures are not given minus how many thousands of pensioners will feel this increase in 2022. People who worked for the state, gave it health, youth, sacrificed goods ...

[K-612-O]

Well, in the 90s, a very significant part of the current pensioners did not work for any state, and they did not have experience for this period, regarding the size of pensions and who owes it. If you didn’t pay any contributions or taxes, now someone owes them. This is from the salaries of currently working pensions. Those who worked for the state all the time (for example, my mother) now receive 19500. And then I still help her.
And on a good retirement, one must save oneself, but wait for handouts.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: K-612-O

And on a good retirement, one must save oneself, and NOT wait for handouts.

Wow, well done! Then why taxes? 34% goes to the FIU.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Wow, well done! Then why taxes? 34% goes to the FIU.

Many under the contract receive a minimum salary - from it and deductions. It’s not customary to knock on the employer, hence all the problems.

[Svarog]

Quote: Gray Brother

Many under the contract receive a minimum salary - from it and deductions. It’s not customary to knock on the employer, hence all the problems.

It’s accepted .. as usual .. Many try to sue employers .. but the court is always or almost always on the side of the gentleman .. We have all the laws passed so that the gentleman feels good .. and the Duma specifically accepts the laws of the landowners ..

[Gray brother]

Quote: Svarog

So many are trying to sue employers.

You do not understand what I'm writing.
No need to sue the employers - this is the concern of the prosecutor's office and the tax, they will bruise them.
Tax evasion is a financial crime and every law-abiding citizen must report it to the appropriate authorities, and not engage in concealment.

[Svarog]

Quote: Gray Brother

Tax evasion is a financial crime and every law-abiding citizen must report it to the appropriate authorities, and not engage in concealment.

You are right in fact .. but in fact .. You understand that this will ruin small business .. yes and medium .. I think, just for this reason, they did not make the RFP fully official .. Now the state just wants to and everyone there will be official ZPs, it’s not at all difficult to do this .. But creating conditions for small and medium-sized businesses to develop is much more difficult .. So we have closed more than 2000 small enterprises this year ..

[Gray brother]

Quote: Svarog

You understand that this will ruin a small business .. yes and medium ..

I understand that prices will rise everywhere. But nothing comes from nowhere.

There is an alternative - let the workers pay their taxes themselves, and remove these duties from the employer altogether.
If you want to pay "this power", if you don't pay - you will get what you deserve, justly.
But then people will get less, it’s not the percentage that’s already from the white part, but the full salary. And again there will be no feed in the horse.
There are no good solutions.

[NKT]

Well, you are bent))

ESN-30% [22% - PFR, 5.1% - Medical insurance, 2.9% - Social insurance]

Previously, out of 22%, 16% went to the maintenance of current retirees, and 6% went to your accumulation. Then 6% froze and all 22% go to current pensioners + additional from the budget.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Then why taxes? 34% goes to the FIU.

But how much will the total tax be?

[Gray brother]

Quote: tihonmarine

But how much will the total tax be?

It is necessary not to reflect, but to disseminate

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Gray Brother

It is necessary not to reflect, but to disseminate

It is full of characters holy following this covenant of Navalny.

You just talked with a couple of them, if you didn’t notice it suddenly

[Gray brother]

Quote: Golovan Jack

if you did not notice it suddenly

I noticed.
It is impossible to go past such wonderful people)))

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Gray Brother

It is necessary not to reflect, but to disseminate

Yes, I just did not understand why 34%

[Gray brother]

Quote: tihonmarine

Yes, I just did not understand why 34%

And FIG knows him.
I might be wrong, but now it seems like this:
Personal income tax 13%
FIU 22%
FSS 3%
MHIF 5%
Total: 43%
This is what the employer pays.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Gray Brother

This is what the employer pays.

Taxes, as in Europe, salaries as in ???

[Gray brother]

Quote: tihonmarine

Taxes, as in Europe, salaries as in ???

So in Europe just all this is taken from an individual, and in our country the employer, in addition to the salary to the employee, pays the state.
Most people don’t care about this kitchen - it goes through accounting and is invisible and insensible to them.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Gray Brother

So in Europe just all this is taken from an individual, and in our country the employer, in addition to the salary to the employee, pays the state.

Well, yes, I pay 20% after 500 euros (do not tax up to 500).

[K-612-O]

I already wrote that our parents would pay pensions! With our contributions, they are now paid pensions.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: K-612-O

what would our parents pay pensions!

Unrealistic. Some have no children, others five. A more optimal system is when you yourself save up for retirement. The only problem is what to do with those who are already retired or in pre-retirement age. But this is a state problem, and it can be solved. With such reserves and resources.

[Egg]

Quote: K-612-O

Well, in the 90s, a very significant part of the current pensioners did not work for any state, and they did not have experience for this period, regarding the size of pensions and who owes it. If you didn’t pay any contributions or taxes, now someone owes them. This is from the salaries of currently working pensions. Those who worked for the state all the time (for example, my mother) now receive 19500. And then I still help her.
And on a good retirement, one must save oneself, but wait for handouts.

Another bot freshly ... from the pension fund?
In the 90s, people didn’t voluntarily work for the state, hundreds of thousands, even millions of people were thrown into the street from privatized enterprises and were forced to work for a private trader. And then, when the FIU began to personify the pension account, they learned that the private trader did not make contributions to the FIU and these years are not included in the experience !!!
He himself lost almost 4 years of experience. Is it the people to blame or the state that changed the rules almost every month and could not / did not want to ensure the rule of law?
In such cases, it is better to be silent and sniff in a rag.

[K-612-O]

Just of your own free will! Who Union profiled, who needed jeans and cans? And who shouted down with the CPSU? They all wanted capitalism, so they got it.

[New Year day]

Quote: K-612-O

And on a good retirement, one must save oneself, but wait for handouts.

so Putin says so, so young people do not seek to work legally. Read how the budget income from taxes of working pensioners decreased when they went into the shadows! Budget did not win

[AUL]

Quote: K-612-O

And on a good retirement, one must save oneself, but wait for handouts.

By the way, we all saved up for retirement, deducting part of our salary to the pension fund! And now - you're right, we get a humiliating handout!

[Gray brother]

Quote: K-612-O

and they don’t have experience for this period,

How familiar I am.

Quote: K-612-O

And on a good retirement, one must save oneself, but wait for handouts.

It is clear that if there is no experience, then there will be pitchforks.
You just need to soberly assess your prospects, who have a normal white salary and seniority, so you can not bother too much.
Accumulated "safety cushion" is not gut - you can gobble it up, the best investment is real estate, I am scampering, not even with the aim of selling it, but with the aim of renting it out and receiving a small but stable income in addition to pension.

[Malevich]

I heartily congratulate those whose projected pensions are expected to grow by 3% this year.

[Observer2014]

A bank card is opened for each citizen. With time frozen until his retirement age. With accompanying wills, etc. of a particular citizen. The account is indexed by inflation and grows from bank interest. Plus, naturally, its pension deductions. There comes a time or citizen's retirement age, or God forbid him fatal disease. His account defrosts. Everything. Nakoy devil we keep these parasites from the pension fund? Why invent a bicycle?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Observer2014

Why come up with a bike?

No, the process itself is important. For during the process all sorts of schemes of cheating are invented.

[major147]

Quote: Ingvar 72

all sorts of cheating schemes are invented.

How many different "pension reforms" have been in recent years? Sheer swindle! The wife (doctor) was retiring, so an acquaintance working in a pension fund categorically did not recommend participating in PF projects! Throw, she said! And she was right. Where are all these "put a ruble-get two" !?

[garri-lin]

This is not a bike. This is an urgent, long-term contribution with the possibility of replenishment. If the bank is honest, then such deposits do not even need to be indexed. A percentage of the bank will block inflation and make a profit. The perfect tool. The perfect tool. And it is impossible to get around it. Only arrogant crime involving very high-ranking bank employees. And from this remedy: insurance plus prosecutors.

[Vadim237]

Only here is the problem of how to make sure that people do not withdraw all money from these accounts at once and do not profuka, and the idea with a closed bank account at 10% per annum and state insurance is what you need.

[garri-lin]

Well, for this, there is urgency. To withdraw money it was possible only after a certain date. And then the man himself is free. Do you want to debit the debit, you want to give grandchildren a gift. Optimally this is a debit with a limit. So that a month you can withdraw no more than a specific amount. And money is always in the ownership of man. And the heirs will remain in the event of a tragedy.

[Vadim237]

There will be restrictions on the withdrawal from the account of no more than 25000 per month - since if a pensioner removes everything at once and proves what he will continue to live on, but in case of death, the accumulated amount will be inherited.

[garri-lin]

The amount can be negotiated at the time of the end of the "urgency" of the account. Maybe 25 tr. But if a person worked a lot, then maybe 50 and 125 tr. Let's say a transfer per month to an account of 6 tr. 11 months in 30 years is almost two million. Plus interest. The amount will double. This will be 400 per annum only percent at a rate of 000%. Of course, I don't take into account inflation, but the account will be replenished taking into account inflation. First 10 then increasing. Modern pensioners never dreamed of this.

[Egg]

Quote: garri-lin

If the bank is honest, then such deposits do not even need to be indexed.

And if not honest? We all banks right and shine with honesty, yeah.
And if our, exclusively beloved government needs to bring down the ruble again, in order to support close exporters? What then?
Or do you think it (the beloved government) will index these contributions? Hear the famous phrase of Medvedev.
Example: Sberbank deposits, and after all it was a state bank, how many people were paid compensation?

[garri-lin]

Sberbank is tears. I had a car on my book. Parents have always been, and are, hard workers. And my sister’s car was on a book. And there was nothing left. Only the book itself. About 30 years later I will put it on Avito as a rarity. But the honesty of banks is a separate conversation. And about the honesty of the government. But at least something. But the PF that in full view that in profile it bred in its purest form. Like the thimbles at the train station.

[dauria]

A bank card is opened for each citizen. With time frozen until his retirement age.

It remains to choose a bank. "Bank of New York" is normal, sort of. In Spain you can, in Switzerland, in England .. All "ours" keep a personal retirement account there.
In Russia, everything is simple. How old.
"She will go with me; she cannot stay here; and tell the old woman that, they say, it's time to die, healed, you need to know and honor. But he won’t see us again."

[New Year day]

Quote: Observer2014

Nakoy devil us keep these parasites from the pension fund?

in China there is no pension fund at all and live

[Svarog]

Quote: Observer2014

Why come up with a bike?

You are absolutely right .. the more complicated and confusing the scheme, the greater the opportunity to feed on this scheme .. Actually, they come up with a bike for this ..

[reservist]

Quote: Observer2014

Account indexed by inflation

I don’t mind and agree about the parasites ... but I would like to know where the funds for indexation will be taken from and who / how will calculate inflation ... otherwise I can’t somehow believe in the declared 3% of inflation over the past year ...

[Free wind]

Pensions will grow, and then grow even more, cheers !!!!!!

[JD1979]

And you listened to another tale about a white bull in the performance of the pension fund choir.

[75 Sergey]

I recently bought 100 rubles for 100 rubles, so they have risen in price before my eyes and have become my 600 thousand for XNUMX rubles wooden per minute.

[rotmistr60]

The Pension Fund reported on how pensions will grow to 2022 году

With all due respect, but if we survive, we will see. Hopes to have to.

[Kleber]

Perhaps we will see that by 2022 this amount will be enough only for fragrant soap and fluffy rope.

[rocket757]

There are many places where there is pension cheating! and also under the panfares of officials and other "responsible"! Nothing new.
Our "responsible" are sorting out / inventing systems that work not for people, future retirees, but what gives them a satisfying life!
They won’t look for a good, wise, useful for citizens decision! Not under what they are imprisoned, it is not included in their plans!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: rocket757

There are many places where there is pension cheating! and also under the panfares of officials and other "responsible"! Nothing new.

And not only in Russia.

[rocket757]

Quote: tihonmarine

And not only in Russia.

About that and speech. Everywhere where people are trying to fuck, and not give them, they are cheating, cheating and stripping.

[Varyag71]

FIU is a real financial pyramid!

[rocket757]

it wasn’t invented by ours, but they successfully scuffled.

[Mihail55]

How much can you scoff! MEDIUM ... an ex-deputy of a Duma, an official ... and an elderly nurse! A minimum legitimize WEAK ???

[Livonetc]

In the photo is a pensioner, a pigeon hunter.
Decent rich broth.
....!

[TokarevT]

True, they modestly kept silent how in parallel the incomes of Drozdov and his relatives would grow.
Probably, by this time, Drozdov will be able to afford several more apartments of 500 million rubles.
But what if a significant increase in the brood would be against the backdrop of such abundance?
We must take care in advance!

[mikh-korsakov]

Not directly in the subject, but personally I want to know, because I want our new prime minister to be clean in the sense of corruption, so that no State Department and no Navalny can find fault. Mr. Mishustin's wife "earned" about 1 billion rubles in twenty years. At the same time, she raised three children. Far from whining about - all thieves. You never know what. Maybe Mr. Mishustin in the nineties successfully invested a voucher in his wife, I don't know. And the critics did not invest in their wives, but nevertheless scrupulousness is needed in monetary matters, Mr. Mishustin knows about this better than me.

[TokarevT]

As I understand it, he wrapped a member with a voucher and invested in his wife, as a result, both here and there a significant offspring.
You must be able, however!

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

Mr. Mishustin's wife "earned" about 1 billion rubles in twenty years. At the same time, she raised three children. Far from whining about - all thieves. You never know what. Maybe Mr. Mishustin in the nineties successfully invested a voucher in his wife, I don't know.

Judging by the fact that there are three children, he successfully put his "voucher" into it three times.

[Chaldon48]

3%, how is it? With a pension of 10000, as many as 300 roll away?

[for]

I'm more interested in prices by 2022.

[bessmertniy]

If at such a pace as now, then 12-15% of products will grow.

[Chaldon48]

What they wanted, prices to find out, it's a state secret!

[Kleber]

Pension for the elderly once to go to the pharmacy. Mock retirees as they want.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Kleber

Pension for the elderly once to go to the pharmacy. Mock retirees as they want.

And then they wonder why, with all their zeal for denigrating the "scoop", Stalin's rating is growing and the "free" people in the USSR want it.

[Kleber]

In my opinion no one is surprised.

[Lesorub]

The PFR says that the average pension in 2022 will be 18290 rubles.

In the USSR, they reported on the work done or on the fact committed in fact, in present-day Russia they are reporting on future plans)! On 2022

[New Year day]

.... in 2019, pensions in real terms increased by 2,5%.

I didn’t notice this, and mother too. Stop lying. With your reform, you have put an end to faith in you.

[Gardamir]

Truly, we live in a country of fairy tales. They tell us that by 2030 so many pieces of equipment will enter the troops. Now a new tale. But how they laughed at the Communists, at their promises. But the Communists at least did something, and these ...

[Langf]

Literally 2 days ago, it seems that Ura.ru (I don’t remember exactly) is publishing a statistical report: since January 6, Russians' expenses have risen by 23% (an average purchase receipt is presented). Kuzbass: since September, overhaul fees have been increased by about 80% (about a week and a half ago they throw a test ball, which is not enough - they need another 2 times); housing services in three cities (Novokuznetsk, Myski and some other) will be increased by a maximum of 15%. Who can make fun of it when any increase in pensions is immediately accompanied by their anticipatory withdrawal? Money does not go into lively commodity circulation, not into the promotion of the economy, but get stuck in non-turnover primary services.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Langf

Who can make fun of it when any increase in pensions is immediately accompanied by their anticipatory withdrawal? Money does not go into lively commodity circulation, not into the promotion of the economy, but get stuck in non-negotiable primary services.

Short and accurate! You can’t say better! +

[Ros 56]

Well, with such a pension you can travel ..... by tram in the city.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Ros 56

Well, with such a pension you can travel ..... by tram in the city.

And then the "hare"!

[mag nit]

Tales from Grandpa Pu.

[Shelest2000]

According to Mr. Drozdov

And they believe .... At one of the forums (I will not advertise it, there all the people cry ), a guy living in the village told me that everyone in the village for our Guarantor and the Government was tearing the t-shirts - they added a pension as much as three hundred rubles!

[Ros 56]

There is no need to lie, as promised, they added 14 to the average amount of 000, 1000 to 10. To whom they accrued + 000%. And so our pension is good, only small.

[Izotovp]

There are lies, propaganda and statistics

[Shelest2000]

There is a lie, there is a big lie and there are statistics (s)

[parusnik]

Hmm ... pensions to pensioners are increased so that they are already tired of traveling to the city of Paris, to feed pigeons and sparrows on the Champs Elysees, as Boris Yeltsin, the unforgettable one, promised ...

[Prisoner]

"... It’s a pity only - to live in this wonderful time
You won't have to - neither me, nor you ... "(c) I am changing the huge pension in the future to the gallows for the leaders of the Russian PF in the present.

[GenNick]

Quote: Izotovp

There are lies, propaganda and statistics

Let me fix it
statistics are lies and propaganda ...

[frizzy]

A person lives 10 years. 7 years before school and 3 years after retirement. And why can’t you accumulate dough for ten years? Shame and nothing more. Stop the nightmare of the Cabinet.

[fif21]

Would count for 100 years! It would be 600% And they are not ashamed to voice such numbers? Although, what am I talking about !? Real inflation is secret, but how else to hang noodles on the ears of the electorate?

[shura7782]

The Pension Fund reported on how pensions will grow by 2022

I am a senior citizen, and I should be looking forward to this moment with joy. But only my observations and life experience tell me that by the year 22, prices will jump so that this increase in pension is unlikely to cover them.

[georggy]

Pensions will never grow.
But people will die out.

[amr]

Quote: LeonidL

As far as I know in other countries, also non-milk rivers in the chocolate banks

Well, yes, that's why, in all corners of the world, our pensioners, along with German, American, Swedish, Finnish, Japanese, have flooded all resorts and always snoop around all the sights, they live on an equal footing !!!

[Vadim237]

If they snoop, then 10 percent of the entire mass of pensioners as well as in: American, Swiss, Finnish, Japanese, etc. who have what opportunities and whom relatives help financially.