General Reffi: man and his "machine gun"

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Mitraleza Reffi. It looks like new. Preserved at the Morges Castle War Museum in Lausanne, Switzerland

And he said to himself,
“No matter what happens, we’ll give an answer to everything
We have a Maxim machine gun, they don’t have a machine gun. ”
Hilary Bellock, 1898


People and weapon. And it so happened that more recently, a conversation about mitraliasis started at VO and questions arose about how the famous Mittral Reffi worked. It is known that by 1870 the Mithralies Montignier and Reffy were in service with the French army, but the latter was considered more perfect. Well, if so, today we’ll tell you about her, especially since the author happened to see her with his own eyes at the Army Museum in Paris. But first, a little about the biography of its creator, which in its own way is also very interesting.



Jean-Baptiste Auguste Philippe Dieudonne Verscher de Reffy was born in Strasbourg on July 30, 1821, and died in Versailles after falling from his horse on December 6, 1880, with the rank of general from artillery. And besides the fact that he was an officer, he was also the director of the workshops of Medon and the factory of armaments and guns of Tardes. He graduated from the Polytechnic School in November 1841, and then at the artillery school. He served in various artillery regiments, the 15th, then the 5th, 14th and 2nd, and then in 1848 he entered the General Staff. In 1872 he was awarded the Order of the Legion of Honor.

General Reffi: man and his "machine gun"
Jean-Baptiste Auguste Philippe Dieudonne Verscher de Reffi.

His “bullet cannon”, as Reffi called his development, he constructed in 1866, using the principle of Mitraleza Montigny. However, this was only part of his work. It was he who played a key role in the introduction in France of the guns of the Laffitte system, adopted in 1858, which already had rifled barrels, although they were still charged from the barrel.


Mitraleza Reffi. Fig. A. Sheps

In 1870, he improved the bronze 85-mm cannon, which was loaded from the breech, and then turned the Medon Experimental Workshop into the Artillery Workshop, which was redeployed by Tarbes, which at that time became a large industrial city. There, in 1873, he developed another 75-mm cannon, but his guns were soon replaced by a more modern 95-mm D'Lahitol gun and especially the 90-mm Bunge gun, which developed a very good piston shutter.


Reffie's 85mm Cannon

Why such a big introduction? And in order to show that the man was very educated by Reffy and was well versed in technical issues and tactics, and these are precisely the issues of tactics, or rather, their study, that led Reffy to the idea of ​​mitralose.


So, with a bunch of buckets, Reffy's mitrallise looked like a campaign. (War Museum in the castle of Walrus, Lausanne)

The fact is that even during the Eastern War (for us it is Crimean) one very important circumstance emerged: field artillery and rifled rifles were equal in firing range! In the course of hostilities, it happened more than once that the French Chassers, armed with Tuvenin rod fittings, in a convenient position shot the servants of the Russian guns and thus silenced them. And all because our guns fired at 1000 meters, while the French choke at 1100! These 100 meters turned out to be critical primarily because guns fired faster than guns and our gunners could not compete with the French arrows on an equal footing, and besides, our field guns were loaded from the muzzle at that time. The English Enfield fitting of the sample of 1853 had a range of up to 1000 yards, that is, about 913 m, which was also very good if the shooters also used it skillfully.


Mitraleza Reffi. A device for extracting empty cartridges from a magazine is clearly visible. (War Museum in the castle of Walrus, Lausanne)

The knowledge of all these circumstances just led General Reffy to the idea of ​​creating a gun - a fighter gun servants. Such a “bullet gun”, in his opinion, was supposed to use modern powerful ammunition, and the firing range was greater than that of modern artillery guns. Therefore, in his mitraliasis, he used a powerful 13-mm cartridge (.512 inches) of the central battle, which had a brass flange, a cardboard case, and a lead bullet in a paper wrapper weighing 50 grams. A charge of smoke powder (and they didn’t know another at that time!) In 12 grams of compressed black powder provided the bullet with an initial speed of 480 m / s. According to this indicator, these cartridges were three and a half times superior to the bullets of Shaspo or Draise rifles. In turn, this in turn had a positive effect on persistence and firing range.


Mitraleza Reffi. The mechanisms of vertical and horizontal aiming are clearly visible. In the box on the trunk of the carriage on the right was a store. Other stores were in drawers on the right and left. The total ammunition for the "gun" could reach 4000 rounds. (War Museum in the castle of Walrus, Lausanne)

However, it is unlikely that the captain (then still the captain!) Reffy managed to “break through” his design, if not for the support of the emperor Napoleon III himself. He, being a very educated man, also noted that circumstance that the artillery fire of cartridges had lost its former strength after the armies acquired rifled small arms. And although many military men considered this weapon nothing more than the emperor’s imagination, in fact he was superior to most of his generals with respect to understanding military art. He received a military education at an artillery school in Thun, was well versed in artillery, and wanted to get a weapon capable of filling the “gap” in the affected area between 500 meters — the maximum range of shotgun fire and 1200 meters, the minimum range of the then artillery guns firing explosive shells. He wrote the study, “The Past and Future of Artillery in France,” where he explained the need for weapons that could hit the enemy precisely between these extreme distances. “Between a rifle and a cannon” - this is what the French military called this distance, which is why many of Reffi’s mitraliasis, acting precisely between them, seemed to many, including the emperor himself, a good solution to this unexpected problem. As a result, the emperor personally financed the creation of a new weapon, and for the sake of secrecy, the details of the mitraliasis were made at different plants, and assembled under the personal control of Reffi. They were stored in a warehouse, the keys to which again only he had, and they were tested by shooting from tents, so God forbid, no one could see what it was shooting!


In the campaign, the discharging device was closed with such a case. (Museum of the Army, Paris)

How did this “bullet gun”, by the way, look like an artillery gun even externally?

Inside the bronze barrel, she had 25 trunks located square with a minimum distance from each other. In the breech there was a mechanism consisting of a box, guidance mechanisms and a thrust screw with a handle. The screw rested against a massive bolt through which 25 channels passed inside of which 25 spring-loaded strikers were located.


The scheme of the device of Reffi's mitraliasis.

Mitrallesa was fed using square-shaped stores (“cartridges”) with four guide rods and 25 through holes for cartridges. Between the caps of the shells and the strikers there was a rather thick metal “locking” plate with profiled openings: the striker strikers glided along its narrower openings, and “fell through” into the wider openings.


Rephy mitraliasis scheme - continued. The "locking" plate with profiled holes for the strikers, the worm drive of the plate, the hammer and the 13-mm cartridge in the section are clearly visible

This mitraliasis was charged and actuated as follows: the stop screw turned by the handle and retracted the shutter. The recharger inserted a magazine filled with cartridges into the frame, after which the locking screw fed the bolt with the magazine forward until it stopped, while the guide rods entered the holes in the breech of the barrel, while the percussion was cocked. Now, in order to start shooting, it was necessary to start twisting the handle on the box to the right of "on my own." She used a worm gear to move the “locking” plate. She moved from left to right, which is why the drummers began to fall through the holes of a larger diameter one by one and at the same time they hit the cartridge capsules. Mitraleza starting to shoot, and she gave about 150 rounds per minute!


This is what Reffy’s mitralias look like at the Army Museum in Paris today.

When discharging, the handle of the stop screw had to be untwisted in the opposite direction to open the bolt and free the magazine and drummers. Then, the plate drive handle should be twisted in the opposite direction to return the locking plate to its place. The store with empty sleeves was then removed, and it was necessary to put it on a special extractor with 25 rods on the “trunk” of the gun carriage. A magazine was put on them, then one click on the lever and all 25 shells were simultaneously removed from the magazine and dropped from these rods.


Massive Screw Shutter Box

As you can see, everything is simple. At the same time, it was possible to fire a barrel along the horizon and even fire with scattering into the depths, it’s only very bad that this generally quite perfect and effective weapon was so classified that until the start of the war almost no one knew about it in the French army and the calculations of mitraliasis were not properly trained in their handling and trained accordingly.


Cutout on the barrel - that's all the sights. Of course, it was impossible to shoot like that at a great distance!

The consequences were sad. Collected into batteries of six guns in each, they were installed without taking into account the specifics of their characteristics, which did not allow, on the one hand, to reveal their potential, and on the other - led to large losses. One more circumstance was revealed that reduced the effectiveness of mitraliasis. So, the maximum range of their fire was about 3500 meters and it was good. But it was also dangerous to install them closer than 1500 meters to the enemy, since the calculations could be struck by the fire of infantry small arms. However, in the range from 1500 to 3000 m of bullets hit, the mitrales were practically not visible, and there were no optical sights on them, which is why it was simply impossible to adjust their fire. The small distance between the barrels led to the fact that some of the enemy infantry were hit by several bullets at once (for example, one German general during the Franco-Prussian war was hit by four bullets at once!), Which led to an excessive use of ammunition and their shortage at critical minutes of the battle.


Bust of Reffie

If the French army had mastered the mitrallises in advance, revealed all their strengths and weaknesses, worked out the tactics of application, then the effect of them could have been much more significant. At the same time, the experience of the Franco-Prussian war showed that 90% of the losses incurred by the German army accounted for the victims of small infantry weapons and only 5% for artillery. Somewhere among them is the loss of fire from mitraliasis, although their exact percentage has not been elucidated!


During the war, it turned out that the Shasspo rifle was better than the German Draize rifle (Military Museum of the Walrus Castle, Lausanne)


But the cartridges for her were simply terrible! (Military Museum of the Walrus Castle, Lausanne)
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  1. +6
    12 February 2020 18: 27
    Mitraleza Reffi is the next step towards the creation of an automatic machine gun. The search for the design gradually led to the design of Maxim.
    1. -1
      13 February 2020 13: 09
      automatic machine gun.

      How's that?
      1. 0
        14 February 2020 10: 33
        The Gatling system is also a machine gun, but with three types of drive: manual, electric, gas
  2. +11
    12 February 2020 18: 38
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    Very amused plaques under the anchor points of mitralosis amused. It seems that the Swiss constantly drag it from place to place. Do you wipe the dust on the floor, or what? laughing
    1. +10
      12 February 2020 20: 13
      Anton hi ,, and the servants then how much per unit recourse
      1. +5
        12 February 2020 20: 24
        Well, as I understand it, Switzerland is a country of traditions. Here is how it was recorded in the staffing schedule 150 years ago, so many people drag along the museum halls, + three people to transfer the pillows. laughing
        1. +3
          13 February 2020 10: 09
          And it happened so that just recently a conversation about mitraliasis started at VO and questions arose about how the famous Mittral Reffi worked.

          That is, I’m done with the Sea Cat that they started that conversation on the forum, and Viktor Nikolaevich supported it? fellow Do not thank, thanks for the support! wink drinks
  3. +15
    12 February 2020 18: 39
    Still, shoot the Artelirian servant at a distance of 1100 meters, and even during the Crimean War. It is doubtful. It works on a column of infantry during volley fire, but on a single target ...
    1. +13
      12 February 2020 18: 49
      Yes, I also doubted. 1100 even for SVD - a critical distance.
      1. +8
        12 February 2020 19: 04
        indeed, without optics how to shoot
      2. +6
        12 February 2020 20: 18
        Quote: 3x3zsave
        1100 even for SVD - a critical distance

        Despite the fact that not every sniper from this distance can get. Need a lot of experience and skills for such shooting
        1. +8
          12 February 2020 20: 27
          pralno, there is no optics, there is no calculator ball, there is nothing, about weather conditions, I think and there were no thoughts. Ipule cartridge is generally below criticism. only by accident.
          1. +6
            12 February 2020 21: 06
            Igor hi , Such accidents are expensive, remember Admiral Nakhimov.
            1. +1
              12 February 2020 22: 32
              Yes, I agree with you, but that’s exactly what an accident hi
    2. +8
      12 February 2020 19: 47

      Quote: mr.ZinGer
      Still, shoot the Artelirian servant at a distance of 1100 meters, and even during the Crimean War. It is doubtful. It works on a column of infantry during volley fire, but on a single target ...

      But protection, nevertheless, was set. From buckshot or from bullets, you no longer recognize.
      1. +6
        12 February 2020 20: 00
        Yes, they set the defense, but 1100 was an incredible distance for shooting for that time. Smoke was fired, i.e. the initial bullet speed was not large. The quality of processing the trunks was also not up to par, there was no optics. The bullets, I think, had a great balance.
        1. +8
          12 February 2020 20: 03
          I think the article is not about aimed shooting, but about a salvo, "just to fly."
          1. +6
            12 February 2020 20: 17
            Yes, fired in one gulp, in a given direction. Thought it how it was necessary to lift a trunk !?
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          3. +2
            13 February 2020 09: 51
            From salvo firing in essence refused only after the Boer War. Moreover, not all countries.
            As far as I know, they went to the attack with chains and went to civil war with us.
            If you read Pikul (I understand that the source is not entirely scientific, although Pikul gives the impression of a person "in the subject"). Both we and the Japanese forbade the soldiers to take cover from enemy fire while attacking and there was a practice of advancing in formation, that with modern rifled rifles (and by the end of the 19th century these are modern rifles in our understanding), the front (head-on) offensive against the enemy full height - guaranteed death. (I know when there was a Russian-Japanese war, if anything ;-))
            But in general, the intermediate step between modern weapons and what was, for example, during the war with Napoleon, is the invention of the Mignier bullet (well, of course, the capsule too). But it was the minnier’s bullet that made possible the mass introduction of rifled weapons in the army (Baker rifles appeared in 1808, like in the army, but they took too long to load).

            Then someone wrote that there was no optics. Optics at that time was already there. Rare, wretched, but already beginning to appear. Although it probably was as much as our ordinary infantrymen have thermal imaging sights.
      2. +1
        12 February 2020 20: 04
        Yes, as you know, a fool's bullet !!!
    3. +7
      12 February 2020 20: 45
      In the Crimean War of 1853-1856, the British and French did not spare bullets (and why should they feel sorry for them). The cannon and its position are large enough to be seen from a mile away. Several good shooters were shooting often and constantly - several servants at the cannon, let them hit someone. Even the bullets whistling nearby are enough. The caliber of Minier bullets in RIA (after the Crimean War) is 6 lines (15 mm), the weight of 8 spools (34 grams) will not seem like a little fool.
      1. +3
        12 February 2020 21: 52
        You know, it became interesting, got on the Internet. By my calculation, if the fly is at a distance of 1000 mm from the shooter, then the eye sees a mark the size of a millimeter (this is if the target is 2 meters high, at a distance of 1000 meters). With the quality of weapons then ...
        In one gulp there is a small chance to hit, but with a quick fire, empty ...
        1. +3
          12 February 2020 22: 12
          Let us recall the military proverb "The third should not light a cigarette" - it appeared from the Crimean War of 1853-56. At the light of a cigarette, at night they shot quite accurately, so as not to light the third. Admiral P. Nakhimov died on June 28 (July 10), 1855 from "quick fire" ...
          1. +1
            13 February 2020 00: 13
            No, it’s like this saying appeared after the Boer War. and the Boers were already with the Mausers.
            1. +2
              13 February 2020 12: 27
              Judging by the recollections of the participants, everyone lacked Mausers. And the same Boers even fought with capsule guns.
              1. +1
                14 February 2020 13: 09
                This is reflected even in Bussenard!
                Louis Boussenard
                Captain Tear-off Head
                ... Paul Potter loaded his gun. The work is not quick: you have to put gunpowder in the barrel, put a bullet wrapped in fat soaked with fat using a ramrod, then put on a copper rod on the seed rod ... This procedure took a good half a minute, while the Mausers managed to fire a dozen shots at the same time. But the young drill valued not so much the quantity as the quality of the shots.
                “That's all,” he said calmly. - The gun is at your service, gentlemen, “white scarves”!
                The entire English command, from the general to the junior officer, wore white silk scarves as the hallmarks of his rank. Thus, it is easy to figure out who the menacing words of the young drill were: “The gun is at your service, gentlemen,“ white scarves ”!
                “But would a good Mauser serve them worse?” - Torn off the head.
                “Ah, do not tell me about modern weapons!” - objected Paul Potter in a voice in which the note of rancor sounded so. - It, you see, does not kill. Remember the hospital at Ladysmith. Humane bullet ... Well, no! The bullet of my "roor" does not know mercy. The one whom she falls into is doomed. Yes, you can see for yourself ... Do you see that officer to the left of us? .. Yes, yes, the one who waved his saber.
        2. +2
          13 February 2020 00: 22
          Quote: mr.ZinGer
          In one gulp there is a small chance to hit, but with a quick fire, empty ...

          Yes, and empty in a gulp :) I gave an example, a Russian battery near Plevna, 12 guns, 4 hours from 1000 meters on a bastion fired. Well, the Turks on it naturally. The result - 3 wounded in 4 hours.
      2. +2
        12 February 2020 22: 35
        I agree that such a fool will fly in and even at the end, will not kill so cripple. But 1000 meters, a human figure, can you imagine how it is seen without optics, and the first optics appeared in the US civil war. They just beat in the direction of the positions of the arrow Yu, and there you’ll be lucky.
        1. +3
          13 February 2020 07: 21
          Igor, the literature describes cases where French shooters, not snipers, and without any optics, filmed Malgash in Madagascar from a distance of 2000 m! This is a documented fact. In Persia, for one Lebel rifle, the highlanders gave 10 English shops. Cause? Arkharov shoot in the mountains! You will not come close - they will run away, and then ...
          1. +1
            13 February 2020 07: 45
            Vyacheslav Olegovich, what time was it? and what weapon was used? for 2000 meters you just catch the movement on the ground. I once read the story of a hunter who supposedly killed a goose from a small fry from 800 meters. He noticed something like a goose. He had no binoculars.
            1. +1
              13 February 2020 07: 47
              It was during the war in Madagascar with the Malgash. I don't remember when it was. But you can look on the Internet. Such facts are well engraved in memory, as you understand. And about the rams - the book "To the banks of the Tiger" (memoirs of one of the participants in the campaign).
              1. 0
                13 February 2020 11: 17
                The mountains are sleeping a bit
                The Southern Cross climbed to heaven
                Climbed down to the valley of clouds.
                Be careful friend
                After all, none of us was here,
                In the mysterious country of Madagascar.

                May become that death
                You will find overseas
                But still, do not run from death.
                Be careful friend
                Dahl flickered in fog
                Take your faithful carbine off your shoulder.

                The road is hard at night
                In the east, the air is gray,
                But soon the sun will rise from behind the rocks.
                Be careful friend
                Heavy and arrow marks
                The inhabitants of the country of Madagascar.

                Southern Cross goes out
                In the golden dawn sky
                Clouds rose from the valley.
                Be careful friend
                After all, none of us was here,
                In the mysterious country of Madagascar.
    4. +3
      13 February 2020 03: 56
      Still, shoot the Artelirian servant at a distance of 1100 meters, and even during the Crimean War. It is doubtful.

      The author did not invent anything. And so it was.
      Read Sergeev-Tsensky "Sevastopol Starada". In his youth, the writer found the veterans of the Crimean War. The events of that war are described to the smallest detail.
      1. +1
        13 February 2020 08: 52
        I have no doubt about the integrity of the author, but again, you refer to bilithristics as a source of information.
  4. +6
    12 February 2020 19: 03
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, so why buckets? for the availability of water for cooling?
    1. +11
      12 February 2020 19: 51
      Watering barrel for cooling and bombing! A bomb flops next to you, burns to smoke, or else it spins, so you pour it from a bucket of water ... you look and it goes out. Will the firecracker fly in? Also the core, but with holes and it beats the flame. Water it again ... And although in 1870 there seemed to be no such and such shells, the tradition remained.
      1. +2
        12 February 2020 20: 05
        Thanks for the reply.
  5. +1
    12 February 2020 19: 24
    I would like to ask the author, Vyacheslav, re-read the articles before publication, the articles are good, but here are some riffraffs.
    1. +8
      12 February 2020 19: 44
      Everybody has black eyes. Yes, in this material the author overcame the daily norm, but ...
      "I hate Gutenberg, he invented typos." (V. Hugo)
      1. +8
        12 February 2020 19: 52
        Well, I’ve read it twice. I thought, I found and cleaned everything ... I just want to say - I read, but I rarely notice mistakes. The text revolves in my head and everything seems to be right. There are people with innate literacy. Alas, I'm with innate illiteracy ...
        1. +5
          12 February 2020 20: 05
          Hammer, Vyacheslav Olegovich! This is a professional deformation inherent in all teachers.
        2. 0
          12 February 2020 20: 21
          Quote: kalibr
          And I want to say - I read, but I rarely notice errors. The text revolves in my head and everything seems to be right.

          I noticed this at school. True, after some time, after a few hours, the errors themselves are evident
          1. +5
            12 February 2020 20: 52
            Quote: Lipchanin
            after a few hours, mistakes themselves are striking

            The trouble is that I do not have this watch. Too much to write.
            1. +1
              12 February 2020 20: 54
              Quote: kalibr
              Quote: Lipchanin
              after a few hours, mistakes themselves are striking

              The trouble is that I do not have this watch. Too much to write.

              So I’m not for the sake of criticism. I just shared my own negative experience. smile
        3. -2
          13 February 2020 03: 46
          Yes, it’s not a typo, it’s clearly not a typo:
          A charge of smoke powder (and they didn’t know another at that time!) In 12 grams of compressed black powder provided the bullet with an initial velocity of 480 m / s. According to this indicator, these cartridges were three and a half times superior to bullets of Shaspo or Draise rifles
          To understand otherwise than the fact that the initial speed of Shaspo and Draise rifle bullets of about 150 m / s does not work, and this is excuse me, an indicator of the level of the article.
          1. +3
            13 February 2020 07: 17
            The speed of the Draise bullet 49 years old - 305 m, Chaspo 66th - 410 m. It was necessary to write on the muzzle energy.
    2. 0
      12 February 2020 21: 12
      Quote: English tarantass
      re-read the articles before publication, the articles are good, but here are the fragments.
      To the author - is fraught with rewriting the article.
  6. +7
    12 February 2020 20: 01
    Under the fire of mitralisis at Sedan, the company columns of the Prussians involuntarily broke up into rifle chains. Prior to this, only skirmishers such as rangers acted as a chain. However, this did not help the French. The density of the fire was still insufficient.
  7. +12
    12 February 2020 20: 12
    Good evening everyone and thanks to Vyacheslav for the article. hi
    I tried to find some image of Reffy in the battle, but alas ... I’m spreading what’s interesting as a small addition to an interesting article. smile


    1. +6
      12 February 2020 20: 53
      Good add-ons, thanks!
    2. +10
      12 February 2020 21: 08
      ,,, every year, January 1, such cartridges are in the yards laughing
      1. +4
        12 February 2020 21: 33
        Bravo, Sergey !!! good
        1. +6
          12 February 2020 21: 47
          ,,,
          that Switzerland is a country of traditions.
          so many in the halls of the museum and dragged
          I liked it too lol
          1. +5
            12 February 2020 21: 51
            Sergey, well, I’m a builder, I have to constantly lurk like bullshit crying laughing
        2. +6
          12 February 2020 21: 53
          Hello Anton hi .
          Bravo, Sergey !!!

          "Do fighters remember the days gone by?" drinks smile soldier
          1. +4
            12 February 2020 22: 13
            For me, harsh reality.
            1. +4
              12 February 2020 22: 15
              That is, what? At the construction site are used squibs?
              1. +4
                12 February 2020 22: 21
                Apply. True, I don’t use construction pistols, but I regularly move gravity.
                1. +5
                  12 February 2020 22: 23
                  Anton, she don’t understand what the squibs have to do with dragging and dropping weights, and I don’t use the construction gun here in the bunker along with the cartridges.
                  1. +4
                    12 February 2020 22: 29
                    Dragging and dropping weights is my first comment under the article, pyrotechnics is the result of the usual friendly ..., we are joking.
                    1. +5
                      12 February 2020 22: 33
                      I see ... I didn’t get enough sleep again - it comes tight. request
      2. +5
        12 February 2020 21: 51
        Hello, Sergey! hi The people are degenerating, there used to be a gun for these cartridges, but now what, a bottle? Thank God I have a gun, I salute them if the public demands. drinks
    3. +8
      12 February 2020 21: 37
      Tried to find some image of Reffy in battle
      1. +5
        12 February 2020 21: 48
        Good evening, Vik Nikolaevich hi . I saw this work, but did not dare to somehow not observe the muzzle. The devil knows him, and suddenly the wrong machine. request
        1. +9
          12 February 2020 21: 54

          The war is definitely Franco-Prussian. The image, of course, is not photographic, the artist tried to convey the intensity of the battle in the first place.
          1. +5
            12 February 2020 21: 59
            Yes, the war was definitely Franco-Prussian (some red pants of the French are worth it), and the painter was clearly not chasing the detailed writing out of weapons, another was important. But French Gatling obviously works on the last canvas, the artist tried.
            1. +7
              12 February 2020 22: 26
              The Prussians, judging by the picture, used carts in general. But what kind of card case - I can’t say.
              1. +8
                12 February 2020 22: 30
                Prussians, judging by the picture, generally used carts

                Poor Semen Mikhailovich, the Prussians "long before and regardless." smile
                And the card case is exactly with a round block of trunks.
                1. +6
                  12 February 2020 22: 37
                  Nestor Ivanovich is even poorer.
                  1. +6
                    12 February 2020 22: 49
                    That's right! They don’t compose such songs about him:
                    "By the steppe, hot sun, among the tall feather grass,
                    Semen Mikhailovich Budyonny rode on a red mare.
                    He was in a leather jacket, he was in leather pants,
                    He sang the folk song Murka, eh, with tears in his eyes. "(C)
                    1. +6
                      12 February 2020 22: 58
                      "And in that folk song, Murka,
                      Oh, there was a murdered one,
                      From tears wet was a jacket
                      The mare sobbed sobbingly "
              2. +5
                13 February 2020 07: 09
                Most similar to Nordenfeld.
                1. +3
                  13 February 2020 08: 04
                  Looks like Nordefeld. But it’s not suitable for dates.
      2. +2
        13 February 2020 07: 11
        Just TA! That one ...
  8. +8
    12 February 2020 20: 42
    powerful 13 mm cartridge
  9. +11
    12 February 2020 20: 48


    1. +7
      12 February 2020 21: 42
      Bravo, Ivan! I just want to say: "The Sturmbannfuehrer also wanted, but the Junta managed it earlier." Alas, a colleague of "San4es" at ...
      1. +5
        12 February 2020 22: 17
        Do you mean Kristobal Khozievich? By the way, we have at least Sanchez gruppenfuhrer, if judged by shoulder straps.
        1. +6
          12 February 2020 22: 34
          He is. Of course, for me "Picnic" will forever remain the best work of the authors, but "Monday" is an undeniable "silver"!
          1. +6
            12 February 2020 22: 36
            I agree with everything, but how do you like "Doomed City", for some reason it is remembered relatively rarely.
            1. +6
              12 February 2020 22: 52
              In his youth, he made an impression. Strong enough. But, there is one "but". Still, the Strugatskys are pupils of the old school "hard SF", and psychedelic delights are given much easier and better to the next generation of Russian-speaking science fiction writers.
              1. +5
                12 February 2020 22: 55
                ... psychedelic delights are much simpler and better for the next generation of Russian-language science fiction writers.

                Whom do you mean, to be honest, I’m almost unfamiliar with the current ones.
                1. +5
                  12 February 2020 23: 03
                  Lazarchuk, Oldie, Dyachenko ... This is offhand.
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  11. +8
    12 February 2020 20: 58
    French reenactors
    1. +4
      12 February 2020 21: 45
      It seems to me that the French reenactors have chosen more authentic material for buckets than the Swiss.
  12. +7
    12 February 2020 21: 20
    There was also a 16 mm version of La mitrailleuse de Reffye, with 16 trunks. 16 mm cartridge in the photo below.
  13. +4
    12 February 2020 21: 48
    And all because our guns fired at 1000 meters, while the French choke at 1100!

    Not meters, but steps (1 step = 0.71m).
  14. +2
    12 February 2020 22: 21
    provided the pool with an initial speed of 480 m / s. According to this indicator, these cartridges were three and a half times superior to the bullets of Shaspo or Draise rifles

    Three times the initial speed? Maybe you mean muzzle energy?
    1. +4
      13 February 2020 07: 05
      Quote: Narak-zempo
      Maybe you mean muzzle energy?

      Of course!
  15. +5
    13 February 2020 00: 33
    The article is curious, thanks to the author! Although the French military is perhaps right, the toy is almost useless. Great calculation, there is no ability to quickly guide along the front, in depth, too, not really. The same task, an intermediate distance, is completely solved by shrapnel and rapid-firing guns. It would be better if the French worked on the breech-loading cannons on time, otherwise it was only after the war that they understood where the main trend was. :)
    1. +2
      13 February 2020 03: 47
      Quote: Saxahorse
      no ability to quickly guide along the front

      If you need to kill one person 10 times, then this is a great weapon! (almost a quote)))
    2. +7
      13 February 2020 10: 44
      Not that it would be completely useless ... just at that time we could not find the tactics suitable. But a couple of times the Prussians washed their blood
      And this ... diaphragm shrapnel with an adjustable tube appeared in 1873, as, by the way, quick-firing guns (I'm talking about Baranovsky.)
      1. 0
        13 February 2020 22: 06
        Quote: Senior Sailor
        And this ... diaphragm shrapnel with an adjustable tube appeared in 1873, as, by the way, quick-firing guns

        About the diaphragm is correct, but the bomb of Captain Henry Shrapnel, model 1803, already had an adjustable fuse. And all the German guns in this Franco-Prussian war were already breech-loading, with a wedge breech. (Feldkanone C / 61 sample 1861. for example "https://topwar.ru/59054-pushka-kotoraya-sokrushila-franciyu.html")
        1. +1
          14 February 2020 11: 26
          1) Yes and no. The Shrapnel bomb, indeed, had an adjustable fuse, but combining this with diaphragm shrapnel, invented in 1871, did not work out right away. The first samples had a fuse of constant length and, accordingly, a very narrow range.
          2) I know about these guns, but they are far from really quick-firing. They are kartuzny, and for a rapid-firing unitary units in metal sleeves are simply necessary. And besides - anti-recoil devices, so as not to correct the tip after each shot. And the first was Vladimir Baranovsky, although it cannot be said to be too successful.
          1. 0
            14 February 2020 20: 52
            Quote: Senior Sailor
            Yes and no. The Shrapnel bomb, indeed, had an adjustable fuse, but combining this with diaphragm shrapnel, invented in 1871, did not work out right away.

            I can not understand your thought. Someone crooked the fuse somewhere .. But the first, round version of the Shrapnel bomb crumbled the infantry quite well. The article discusses the need to close the distance from 600m and beyond. The classic, round Shrapnel is quite capable of this. And the experiments with the gamblers remained the entertainment of Napoleon III.

            Quote: Senior Sailor
            I know about these guns, but they’re far from really fast-firing

            I know that they are far from guns of the times of WWI with their 30-40 rds / min. However, 5-10 shots that these first Krupp guns did were quite enough to clear the infantry stopped at 600 meters. The French have the same classic muzzle charges with a maximum of 2 high \ min. They cannot suppress the German battery in principle.

            In general, I am trying to say that picking at the gamblers was a mistake. The problem was easily solved in another way. And this is not the first time the French messed with the main trend of weapons. Neisler's bullets instead of rifled barrels are a vivid reminder to that.
            1. +2
              14 February 2020 22: 51
              Quote: Saxahorse
              I can not understand your thought.

              It happens.
              So, most of the striking elements of the Shrapnel bomb flew anywhere except enemy soldiers. For diaphragm shrapnel, on the contrary, but ...

              The design of the projectile did not allow changing the tube inside it, as in the Shrapanel bomb. That is, the first samples beat, roughly speaking, at one distance.
              Quote: Saxahorse
              However, 5-10 shots ... The French have the same classic muzzle charges with a maximum of 2 high \ min.

              In theory, yes. In practice, due to the lack of anti-recoil devices, the gun’s sight went astray, and it takes time to fix the sight, and the powder is smoky. That is, the practical rate of fire did not differ so much. In addition, a wedge gate without shells could not provide a reliable obturation. The composition of the steel was often heterogeneous, which caused gun ruptures. And the bronze muzzle-loading guns simply did not have these problems. (Really.) And even after the war was won, there were calls in Germany to abandon steel cannons in favor of the bronze ones. Moreover, Count Roon can not be called a retrograde.
              In general, the Franks had reasons not to trust steel guns, and the fact that they made a fatal mistake, it became clear too late.

              Quote: Saxahorse
              The problem was easily solved in another way.

              In that period, no. True, this period was not very long.
              As for the card cases, the problem was not in them, but in the tactics of application, which was absent as a phenomenon. If the Franks were the creations of Hiram Maxim, they would still have purged.
              1. -1
                15 February 2020 19: 58
                Quote: Senior Sailor
                If the Franks were the creations of Hiram Maxim, they would still have purged.

                Here I agree! Even the organization of the mobilization and deployment of French troops was simply below the plinth ..

                Quote: Senior Sailor
                In addition, a wedge gate without shells could not provide a reliable obturation.

                But this is debatable. The copper shutters invented at the time worked quite well. Let me remind you that until now, large-caliber guns have cap-shaped loading, they still use the same rings. The problem of the first Krupp wedge locks was insufficient strength. They bent and sorry for the tautology - they wedged. :) Although of course far from the first shot. Models 1873-75 did not suffer from a lack of strength.

                Quote: Senior Sailor
                So, most of the striking elements of the Shrapnel bomb flew anywhere except enemy soldiers.

                There is such a problem. However, the fact that it flew down was also a lot. Diaphragm shrapnel of course increased the effectiveness of the use of damaging elements. However, the round shrapnel bomb successfully killed everyone underneath.
                1. +1
                  16 February 2020 09: 08
                  Quote: Saxahorse
                  Models 1873-75 did not suffer from a lack of strength.

                  The war ended in 1871.
                  In general, the problem of obturation of slug charges was solved, precisely by the francs, EMNIP in 1874 - having invented the Banja obturator. True, for this they needed the life-giving kick of the Kaiser boot. request
                  1. -1
                    16 February 2020 19: 45
                    Quote: Senior Sailor
                    The war ended in 1871.

                    For this particular war, the guns of the 1861 model were enough. There is no doubt that Prussian artillery was a cut above the French, using another 12 pounds of Napoleon's time.
                    1. +2
                      17 February 2020 09: 57
                      In fact, the Franks were the first to switch to rifled artillery
                      As for artillery, in this area, even in 1866, the French were leading. Their army was the first to completely switch to muzzle-loading rifled guns, the design and manufacture of which were personally approved by Napoleon III and which proved to be very effective in Italy. The Prussian artillery in 1866 consisted partly of rifled guns of a new type of loading and partly of the old smooth-bore, but not one type proved to be quite effective, and their rate of fire in battles against Austria could not stand comparison with the French seven years earlier in Italy. But over the next four years, Prussian artillery was transformed ...

                      Howard. "Otto von Bismarck vs. Napoleon"
                      But ...
                      There were in warehouses of up to 3 thousand rifled field-caliber bronze guns loaded from a muzzle and 11 million kilograms of gunpowder ... Against 1 German field guns, the French army had only 344 organized into batteries at the beginning of the war.

                      Svechin. "The evolution of military art."
                      In general, the Prussians made the right conclusions from the war with Austria and Denmark, but the Franks overestimated their colonial experience. Well, and, of course, a complete organizational failure ... although, the Germans, too, were oddly childish :)

                      Quote: Saxahorse
                      using another 12 pounds of Napoleon's time.

                      In the fortresses? So they lived there until WWII ...
                      1. -2
                        18 February 2020 00: 05
                        Note that the rifled muzzle charges of the French were also promoted by Napoleon III. What an enthusiast laughing
  16. +2
    13 February 2020 06: 48
    Jean-Baptiste Auguste Philippe Dieudonne Verscher de Reffi.

    I have one question - and why the hell are they such long names, they want to stuff the entire pedigree there? While you learn the last word, you will forget the first two already. lol
    1. +3
      13 February 2020 08: 14
      There was no Internet at that time, they were measured by pissy as they could. )))
      1. +2
        13 February 2020 13: 42
        There was no Internet then, they were measured as best they could.

        Samurai in the classical time of their development (i.e., to mass armies equipped with asigaru), according to the rules, should have pronounced this very pedigree in the face of their opponent, causing him to fight! fellow three sheets in small handwriting describing the glorious exploits of their own ancestors, and with each generation these exploits in the retelling became more heroic and more wonderful! fellow wink
        Again, for them, this family tree was a sacred relic. drinks There was a case. One large samurai chief caught fire in a house. Everyone ran out into the street, grabbed some clothes, and, of course, forgot the pedigree of the owner. request They remembered, and almost no way to approach the house. They moan, wave their hands, someone prays to kami in a false voice ... Suddenly one servant stepped forward and said: "It is a pity that I could not benefit my master during my service, apparently, I am a bad servant. But I will try to atone for it. " And rushed into the house! After everything burned down, the owner ordered to find the body of the miserable. In the inner garden of the house they found a charred corpse. The warrior managed to get to the pedigree, cut his stomach, and put it inside .. and saved in this way! hi
        This is me from memory from Turnbull, from this book, chapter 3 "Loyalty to the ancestors". drinks

        http://shop.armada.ru/books/187854/
        1. +2
          13 February 2020 14: 21
          Strict Samurai Etiquette:
          Who calls a dirty word -
          He himself is called that.

          Children's samurai wisdom. )))
          1. +4
            13 February 2020 14: 25
            Children's samurai wisdom. )))

            Yes Yes exactly! drinks
            Foresight is a samurai trait.
            Gonna rip the edges of a kimono in the garden,
            Make amends!
            wink
            1. +5
              13 February 2020 15: 34
              You sit under a tree
              kimono floors raises mischievous wind
              wants to see why you have such joy in your soul!
              1. +3
                13 February 2020 16: 01
                Vyacheslav Olegovich, this is Matsuo Basho wrote, or You discovered another talent verses of an unknown samurai? wink good
                I really liked it - once I read a hokku, in which its author, with a poorly concealed grin, describes how a high-ranking Japanese man gets wet in the rain. "Kindness" flows straight through the lines. laughing
                1. +4
                  13 February 2020 18: 32
                  Alas, it's me. But what if Basho doesn't have this?
                  1. +4
                    13 February 2020 18: 39
                    Alas, it's me.

                    why is "alas" very even on the level! laughing
                    But what if Basho doesn't have this?

                    Here you are right, forever for this lazy Basho has to correct his imperfections! Yes
                    When there are no poems, but the soul wants to sing,
                    What to create a samurai?
                    With the hakama deflated around the sakura, running joyfully!
                    request drinks

                    They say that the second volume of the famous novel by Chernyshevsky, which he did not publish, was called "Remove hakama pants and run " wink
                    1. +4
                      13 February 2020 18: 55
                      Quote: Pane Kohanku

                      They say that the second volume of the famous novel by Chernyshevsky, which he did not publish, was called "Take off your hakama pants and run"

                      That is exactly what happened. He wrote this in Nice, playing in a local casino.
                      1. +4
                        13 February 2020 21: 36
                        That is exactly what happened. He wrote this in Nice, playing in a local casino.

                        Vyacheslav Olegovich, there is such a profession - "to excite the minds of the people." It is best to do this - crunching a roll with caviar, and sipping a cold glaze ... wink Yes, look at modern "human rights activists" - I don't see a single skinny person, and if they are exhausted, then only by alcoholism! negative
                        Today, out, Nazarbayev’s grandson asked for asylum in England, pledging to reveal terrible secrets. What is not a human rights activist? Only the snout was painfully full .. Surely - not Protopop Avvakum! hi
                      2. +1
                        14 February 2020 07: 51
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        Nazarbayev’s grandson asked for asylum in England, pledging to reveal terrible secrets.

                        The trend, however. The grandson of Nazarbayev, the daughter of Stalin, the grandson of Gaidar ... some not so descendants of our glorious figures.
                      3. +2
                        14 February 2020 10: 37
                        The grandson of Nazarbayev, the daughter of Stalin, the grandson of Gaidar ...

                        Khrushchev’s son yet! by the way, rocket engineer! hi
                      4. +6
                        13 February 2020 22: 38
                        That is exactly what happened.

                        Found, I found this malevolent hockey! drinks
                        I'm sitting at the brazier
                        and look how it gets wet under the rain
                        on the street the prince ....

                        (Kobayashi Issa).
                        Colleagues, you see, it’s hard to wish for more hidden pleasure! wink
                        Well, for example, you can rephrase to our realities:
                        I poured a glass of sake, I also took out a cucumber and chopped lard.
                        There is a sight in the window -
                        The loafing deputy / bribe-taker minister / frenzied major is kicked with all kind people with heart-rending cries ...
                        (insert the right one, whom exactly they beat!) laughing
                        Why not poems sweetly laying on the aspirations of the people? drinks
                      5. +5
                        13 February 2020 23: 22
                        rephrase to our realities:

                        In the sadness of the shogun.
                        Sake at ten at night
                        Not for sale. wassat
                      6. +5
                        14 February 2020 00: 12
                        In the sadness of the shogun.

                        Desire and superfluous rice would only be with the samurai -
                        There are cunning haiming.
                        In the middle of the night, sake will be brought, although against the emperor of will.
                        drinks

                        Kota Pushmanku's note: "Heimin" - commoners in a medieval Japanese concept. hi
                        I’m thinking about old age, something .. Buy a plot somewhere in Ladoga or Svir ... And, as Homa Brut said, "I would like to live here, but to fish"... what and it is possible on Batyushka-Volkhov! drinks
                        That is:
                        Climbing Mount Fuji
                        Wait a moment ...
                        Let's talk about the fleetingness of life.

                        But these verses were written by a samurai monk who died in Kamakura!
                      7. +6
                        14 February 2020 00: 22
                        ,,, for a house and a care site more than for an apartment No.
                        Is it our fault that we were born in Russia?
                        And sometimes we need just a little bit, so as not to lose ground under our feet, a sense of homeland, peace: a quiet river, a small forest lake and simple tackle.


                        The silence of the night
                        Interrupted by a heart-rending cry of a geisha.
                        Tanto is in the wrong scabbard ,, belay
                      8. +6
                        14 February 2020 00: 31
                        more than an apartment for a house and a care site

                        yes FIG knows. what It is clear that the dough in the house need to tumble more. But it is more pleasant - to put your hands - to the house, to the site! And with our rent you don’t even know which is better ... No.
                        Interrupted by a heart-rending cry of a geisha.

                        Dashing warrior of the steppes
                        He easily owns his saber!
                        Purring a happy geisha on his chest ....

                        For some reason, I have no doubt, Sergey! wink drinks
                        Again, some bastard minus sculpts for nothing .... negative and why doesn’t it surprise me? what show yourself gremlin!
                      9. +5
                        14 February 2020 02: 51
                        show yourself gremlin!

                        But figs, he sat dully in the trench, and "Zarathustra" does not allow his nose to stick out. laughing
                      10. +3
                        14 February 2020 10: 40
                        "Zarathustra" does not allow.

                        Is this a new belief?
                      11. +2
                        14 February 2020 16: 29
                        No, not new, she, this Zarathustra, at one time did not allow Ostap to fill Pasha Emilievich’s face. laughing
                      12. +2
                        14 February 2020 16: 46
                        At one time, Ostap did not allow Pasha Emilievich to fill her face.

                        ahhh .... something I missed it. I remember about honest ways of taking money, about Zarathustra - no. wink
                      13. +2
                        14 February 2020 16: 54
                        Not surprising. Imagine how he would look in company with Osia and Kisa, I'm not talking about Fyodor’s father.

                      14. +1
                        14 February 2020 18: 55
                        In short, then: * A good thought, a good word, a good deed *. With such thoughts in the face to beat the face is somehow problematic. laughing
                      15. +1
                        15 February 2020 13: 29
                        With such thoughts in the face, beating is somehow problematic.

                        need to politely demand a sausage in return for the forgiveness of sins, as the Sea Cat suggests? wink drinks
                      16. +3
                        14 February 2020 07: 54
                        All of you to watch the series CAT AND SAMURAI !!! And the sea cat too!
                      17. +3
                        14 February 2020 17: 19
                        "The miserly sun treasures the ray,
                        River jets - in water dust.
                        All shallows are covered with reeds,
                        From house to house trails lay.
                        Robe I just throw my
                        And Tao Qian follow in everything.
                        There is no worldly vanity before the eyes,
                        Although I am sick, I am easy to climb.
                        I meet the spring dawn
                        Where the flowers flooded the garden.
                        And now with envy I look at the birds,
                        And I answer people out of place.
                        Reading books, I drink wine for two,
                        Where it is difficult - I will miss the hieroglyph.
                        Old hermit is my good friend
                        He knows that I am truly lazy. "(Doo Fu).
                        The wife looked through all our "work" and inserted her favorite verses. They with absolute certainty reflect our village life with her. smile
                      18. +3
                        14 February 2020 17: 29
                        They with absolute certainty reflect our village life.

                        Oh ... Konstantin, I bow to your wife! I wish you happiness! love verses like no other came! good
                      19. +2
                        14 February 2020 20: 12
                        Nikolay, thank you for your good wishes. smile
                      20. +2
                        15 February 2020 13: 30
                        Nikolay, thank you for your good wishes.

                        but how differently to good people? drinks
                      21. +3
                        14 February 2020 01: 05
                        Quote: bubalik
                        more than an apartment for a house and a care site

                        It’s one thing when you yourself buy and do everything, and it’s quite another when you pay for overhaul, and then there such prices break in, that you can do twice as much yourself for these grandmothers.
                      22. +5
                        14 February 2020 02: 52
                        Japanese paradox: Father rickshaw, mother geisha, son Moisha. request
                      23. +5
                        14 February 2020 06: 41
                        In the joy of the shogun
                        He sent a servant
                        the neighbor was a drinker,
                        But sake held! hi drinks
                      24. +2
                        14 February 2020 07: 54
                        Sergey - you have 4 offers. Must be 3.
                      25. +2
                        14 February 2020 08: 21
                        Good morning Vyacheslav Olegovich! Guilty, I couldn’t meet it! But I will train! hi laughing hi
                      26. +3
                        14 February 2020 08: 23
                        Sergei really got a sad image of a samurai. Unfinished! belay
                      27. +2
                        14 February 2020 08: 46
                        And to you good morning and day! Of course, you have everything ahead. You just need to remember that the Japanese language is the language of images, innuendo, a subtle perception of nature. Ours is more clear, concrete. Let a light fleur of understatement into the text and you will succeed.
                      28. +2
                        14 February 2020 10: 42
                        In the joy of the shogun
                        He sent a servant

                        Beer open bottle
                        In the evening, the samurai does not hurt.
                        Ah, what a scent!
                        drinks
                      29. +2
                        14 February 2020 10: 51
                        Beer is not vodka!
                        Oh wise law!
                        Light fog, nothing else. drinks
                      30. +2
                        14 February 2020 11: 10
                        Sergey, you are more and more imbued with the spirit of Fuji! good drinks
                      31. +2
                        14 February 2020 12: 23
                        Good afternoon, Nikolai! In the morning I read about the unlucky shogun and how !!! laughing
                      32. +4
                        14 February 2020 12: 55
                        Good afternoon, Nikolai! In the morning I read about the unlucky shogun and how !!!

                        Direct inspiration! good
                        There was such a dime, Uesugi Kenshin. The famous commander of the 16th century, who was cursed by Nobunaga - who himself was still that venturer in terms of the genocide of his enemies. fellow

                        So, after Kenshin’s death, a Superman legend appeared. wink Like, sent by the enemies, the ninja climbed into the cesspool of Kenshin, and watched him. As soon as the commander dangled his ass in the hole in the noble impulse to "do business", the killer stabbed him "right there" with a spear ... belay Kenshin died a few days later.
                        The question is that this is a legend. The last time Kenshin was swelling badly, and complained of pain inside the abdomen. Most likely, drank up to oncology. And yes, I went to the latrine on one unlucky day for him. After a while, his subordinates found him lying on the floor. That is ... an attack! request
                        therefore, everyone should remember: even if you are Japanese - know how to plump, do not fall from the jerk, and do not bring yourself to the Kenshin state! drinks
                      33. +2
                        14 February 2020 13: 21
                        Morning has come
                        The shogun does not get up.
                        Youkai stole one sock laughing
                      34. +2
                        14 February 2020 13: 29
                        I will answer! drinks
                        Pour tea cup
                        And a concubine to call her beloved.
                        Good at heart - do not go anywhere today!
                        winked
                      35. +2
                        14 February 2020 15: 20
                        But they only brought
                        to nose sock
                        youkai is gone. crying
                      36. +2
                        14 February 2020 15: 15
                        Nikolay! And I did somewhere, I once read this story! If I’m not mistaken, it sounded in Akunin’s * Diamond Chariot *. In those days when he wrote good books, and did not go into politics with its indecency.
                      37. +2
                        14 February 2020 15: 30
                        In those days when he wrote good books, and did not climb into politics with its indecency.

                        I, Sergey, repent - I did not read it. recourse And about the legend about "Kenshin's unconventional murder" written in another Turnbull book - this one, there is a whole section on the ninja. drinks
                      38. +2
                        14 February 2020 18: 06
                        And he climbed, right? I mean, in politics?
                      39. +1
                        14 February 2020 19: 14
                        How? Did it pass you by? And the famous * just festivals *? And participation in rallies * handshakes *? But to be honest, in my opinion he is unlikely to write anything on the same level with the * Fandorin * cycle. creative person climb into politics.
                      40. +1
                        15 February 2020 15: 15
                        Quote: Phil77
                        How? Did it pass you by? And the famous * just festivals *? And participation in rallies * handshakes *? But to be honest, in my opinion he is unlikely to write anything on the same level with the * Fandorin * cycle. creative person climb into politics.

                        Alas, I have not even heard! They also say that we are drowning in a sea of ​​information. Probably we have different seas.
                      41. 0
                        15 February 2020 16: 36
                        Oh, dear Vyacheslav Olegovich, you would know how much information passes by me! And even more so about these * festivities * it’s better not to remember, the right word!
                      42. +2
                        14 February 2020 15: 20
                        Already better! But it seems to me that it would be even better:
                        Beer bottle
                        In the silence of the evening, the samurai opens ...
                        Ah, what a scent!
                      43. +3
                        14 February 2020 15: 41
                        Yes, you did more poetic than mine. Thinner .... hi
                        Gentlemen, samurai, daima, militant sokhey and asigaru who joined them! soldier Do not forget to buy flowers for your favorite geisha today! drinks so that everything is decorous and noble! love
  17. +5
    13 February 2020 11: 06
    vertical screw - double. And in the larger one with the left-hand thread, the hole with the right one is for the smaller one.
    An interesting technical solution, but much more interesting how such things were made in those days. Even now the nuts are off the gangway. carving large steps is a problem.
    1. +5
      13 February 2020 12: 23
      This is all the work of antediluvian civilization. You know, there was an atomic war somewhere in 1780, and then ... changed the memory of the rest. But some technical advances remained. But those who used them also changed their memory ... In general, what you write about is a mystery!
      1. +3
        13 February 2020 13: 44
        How will you justify that it is not a flood? :)
        And, judging by the article, the details were sharpened after your "atomic war". :)
        And the solution is really interesting, because "kills" several "birds with one stone":
        1. the structure is "telescopic", "folds" into itself
        2. for one turn of the "handwheel" we get the movement of the "working body" by two thread steps, which otherwise can only be obtained by using a thread with a double step, which is already very difficult to manufacture and there is a possibility that self-braking will work "in operation" will not be. I will take into account, it can be useful somewhere in the work.

        In general, some of the details in the very first picture really look like new, for example, a locking screw on a nut. On the other guns and on the sketches (the original ones?), An ordinary cotter pin is visible.

        By the way, the entire construction design looks very neat, as it is specifically for the museum. All weapons at that time did this, are we used to modern utilitarianism and the maximum simplification and economy of the Great Patriotic War?
        1. +4
          13 February 2020 15: 31
          You know, they did it very carefully. Why did those who write about the "atomic war" appear? Like, they could not do this in the 16,17,18 century. But they could. I held many weapons in my hands. Here is an article about how I found three bullets in papers in the Penza Museum in the butt of a 16th century gun. Very thorough work!
          1. +5
            13 February 2020 17: 53
            ... could not do this in the 16 ... century

            Certainly, they could not! Alien technology, and that's it! laughing
            1. +4
              13 February 2020 20: 25
              ,,, What kind of "tranclucator"? what
              1. +7
                13 February 2020 20: 40
                Hello, Sergey. hi So it is precisely the six-shot revolver and precisely the 16th century. Here are just a drum you need to crank manually. The human thought did not stand still long before Colonel Colt. smile
                1. +5
                  13 February 2020 21: 36
                  The revolver of 1597 with the snaplock type lock. Each socket has a sliding cover! Camor - 8.
              2. +6
                13 February 2020 22: 42
                what kind of "tranclucator"?

                Warrior of the steppes, good filonite - let's go checker waving a katana! We are up there in poetry practice. wink drinks
                1. +2
                  14 February 2020 17: 56
                  Watch the series CAT AND SAMURAI! Life is very poetic and wonderful after 1600!
                  1. +2
                    15 February 2020 13: 28
                    I will try to get, Vyacheslav Olegovich! drinks
                    In general, I was always surprised by the Japanese "coordinate system". Poetically reacting to many things, and at the same time being merciless and even too cruel to enemies is a paradox! request
                    1. +1
                      15 February 2020 15: 13
                      Quote: Pane Kohanku
                      even too cruel to enemies - a paradox!

                      But I'm not surprised! "Friends - everything, enemies - the law!" Is it customary to chop? We chop!