Marine giant Nanchang: China challenges the United States?


Parade of the Titans



More recently, the whole world was discussing launching the head of the Chinese universal landing ship type 075, which, recall, was carried out on September 25, 2019. And at the end of the year, they talked about adopting the new Chinese aircraft carrier, project 001A, or Shandong. And now, the inhabitants of the Middle Kingdom have a new reason for pride, and we have a new topic for discussion.

January 12, 2020 at the naval base of the North located in Qingdao (east of China) fleet The naval forces of the People’s Republic of China (PLA Navy) commissioned the first destroyer of Project 055 Nanchang. Recall that this ship began to be built in 2014, and launched on June 28, 2017.

From the side the event may seem insignificant. Indeed, what can one destroyer give the Chinese fleet? Especially against the background of such giants as Liaoning or Shandong. In fact, the answer lies in the details, although in this case it will not be difficult to discern them.

The fact is that the Nanchang became the largest non-aircraft carrier combat ship of the Chinese fleet: in size it is second only to the aforementioned Shandong and Liaoning aircraft carriers, UDC type 075 and Qinchenshan type helicopter carriers (or project 071). It is worth recalling that on the sixth of June last year, the Chinese launched the eighth such ship: now really, zeal that deserves respect.

One more illustrative example can be given. Displacement (full) of the American missile cruiser type "Ticonderoga" is 9800 tons. In turn, the displacement of the new Chinese destroyer is approximately 13 thousand tons with a ship length of about 180 meters. In other words, the Chinese destroyer is larger (or at least no less) than the American cruiser.


The Chinese did not always “suffer” gigantomania: the previous type of destroyers of the Celestial Empire, 052D, had a displacement of 7500 tons. The destroyers of the 052C type, the first of which were commissioned in 2004, have a displacement of 6600 tons, respectively. The bulk of the large Chinese ships are Project 054 frigates, which, since 2005, have put into operation more than 30. Depending on the version, the ship has a displacement of (full) 3900-4500 tons. The length of the frigate is 134 meters.

However, the size (and, accordingly, the potential capabilities) of the destroyer of the project 055 cost little. It will be appropriate to recall the American "Zamvolt" - the most powerful destroyer in the world. Which, however, due to its incredible cost, was built in a series of three ships and will not return to the project anymore. As you probably already guessed, the Chinese have a different situation: today, in addition to the Nanchang, five such ships have already been launched.

As The Diplomat reported in 2018, the PLA fleet wants eight Project 055 destroyers, but it is possible that this is only the beginning. Specialists at GlobalSecurity.org, citing military expert Gu Huoping, write that the number of destroyers of type 055 can reach 16. This, of course, is less than the number of Ticonderoges built in all time (27 ships) and much less than the number of destroyers built by Americans " Arly Burke "(67!). However, the old Ticonderogs began to be actively written off in 2004, and the Arly Burke is still substantially smaller than the destroyer of project 055.


Combat potential



All this again does not make sense to consider outside the context of the combat potential of the ship, which we, probably, because of the "glorious" Chinese tradition, know little for certain. Undoubtedly, the basis of armaments is universal vertical launchers (UVP) with 112 cells for missiles for various purposes. 64 cells of transport-launch containers are placed in front of the superstructure, another 48 cells are located in the center of the superstructure, in front of the hangar. Perhaps a comparison with the Ticonderoga is not entirely appropriate, but the cruiser, as we know, has 122 UVP cells for Tomahawk cruise missiles and SM-1 anti-aircraft missiles.

A detailed classification of the composition of the weapons of the Chinese destroyer is difficult due to the lack of confirmed data. But according to English sources, universal launchers can be used for the following types of missiles:

- anti-aircraft missiles HHQ-9 (possibly DK-10A);
- anti-ship missiles YJ-18;
- long-range cruise missiles CJ-10;
- anti-submarine torpedoes.

The range of the anti-ship missile YJ-18, according to experts, can reach 540 kilometers. The range of the CJ-10 (at least in its ground version) is estimated at about 2000 kilometers. In addition, the ship carries one 130-mm H / PJ-38 artillery mount, one 30-mm H / PJ-11 anti-aircraft artillery system, and HHQ-10 anti-aircraft guided missiles (24 cells). The ship is also able to carry two medium-sized military transport helicopters Changhe Z-18.


According to previously announced information, the power plant of the project 055 destroyer is built around the COGAG system, which is based on four QD-280 gas turbine engines with a capacity of 38 thousand horsepower each. Total power - more than 150 thousand horsepower. In addition, there are six QD-50 gas turbine generators on board. It is assumed that the speed of the destroyer will reach 30 knots (55 kilometers per hour). The crew of the ship is more than 300 people.

Two fleets


Great Britain in its best years used the principle of "equality of the fleet of the British fleets of the two strongest sea powers combined." America, by its example, does not threaten to realize something like this. Last May, Popular Mechanics magazine reported that China has more warships than the United States. The Chinese Navy was able to reach 300 ships, 13 more than the United States Navy.

And in December 2019, Chinese shipbuilders established a kind of world Record: they built and launched nine destroyers for their fleet in 2019. In total, in 2019, Chinese shipyards launched 23 surface ships in the interests of the Navy of the People's Republic of China, and these are, in particular, rather large combat units.


And yet there is a fly in the ointment. In November 2019, the South China Morning Post newspaper reported, citing a source in the Ministry of Defense of China, that the program for building Chinese aircraft carriers would be frozen, and China would have four such ships in total. This seems like misinformation, but it’s worth saying that the Chinese have not yet learned how to build “full-fledged” aircraft carriers: there are no launch catapults, no carrier-based invisible fighters. Not much experience. But there are problems with nuclear submarines ...

And what about the project 055 destroyers? By themselves, they are not a serious adversary for the US Navy: aircraft carriers are the main tactical unit after the Second World War. Thus, the destroyer is seen in the context of the regional strengthening of the Chinese fleet, and not at all as the “killer of American aircraft carriers,” as they once called (and, most surprisingly, continue to call it) the cruiser of Project 1144 Orlan.
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  1. antivirus 19 January 2020 06: 00 New
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    bend yapov - already a change in balance on Tikh ok.and Yukorea itself will fall under the high arm of China.
    In conjunction with missiles and the Northern Fleet, the ranks are enough to control the west coast of the Pacific Ocean
    1. bessmertniy 19 January 2020 06: 47 New
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      South Korea will not go so easily "under the arm of China." The Americans firmly tied her to themselves. Pulling the UK out of the hands of the United States is not easy.
      1. xGibSoNx 19 January 2020 21: 19 New
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        South Korea will not go so easily "under the arm of China." The Americans firmly tied her to themselves. Pulling the UK out of the hands of the United States is not easy.
        And, well, that is, the opinion and desire of the Koreans themselves were excluded by default? Well, norms .. Will a ship sail for every Korean? I hope these characters do not have any relation to the "experts" .. Even a nominal civil war will literally destroy China in a matter of months! Alas, the Chinese system and way of life is arranged ..
    2. Bar2 19 January 2020 08: 59 New
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      it’s a beautiful ship, it’s felt OUR shipbuilding school, not the American one. China builds big ships, for big things and our capitalist Russia builds small boats for coasting, we only have the largest billionaire yachts.
      1. Rurikovich 19 January 2020 09: 41 New
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        Quote: Bar2
        the capitalist is building small boats for coasting, we only have the largest billionaire yachts.

        laughing good
      2. arkadiyssk 19 January 2020 10: 24 New
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        The ship is certainly beautiful, but what about the stuffing and armament? Nevertheless, the Chinese initially painted 055 with an L-band radar over a helicopter hangar, like the European destroyers Horizon or frigates (SMART-L) - in fact there is some kind of misunderstanding there. It is not known that under Aegis there are similar canvases. It is not known what kind of missiles they have in service and their perfection, because for example, at ArliBerck’s value of $ 1.5 billion, $ 0.5 billion is still a set of missiles, i.e. missiles are a huge part of the technology in the fleet. The cool thing is that they quickly create the backbone of the ocean fleet, which can go through electronics over time. But that’s all for now.
        1. Astra55 19 January 2020 16: 00 New
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          And I'll add a fly in the ointment in a barrel of Chinese honey.
          Do not forget that the fleet is not only modern ships, but above all the people who serve on these ships, and even more so the people who can competently manage the fleet.
          And here the Chinese comrades have a huge lag not only from the US Navy, but also from the Russian Navy. We have a "school", the experience of the Cold War against the strongest enemy. And the Chinese have photocopies of honestly obtained from foreign academies of foreign knowledge.
          As if all these handsome Chinese ships were not just a bunch of iron, if there was a confrontation with an experienced competent opponent.
          1. Saxahorse 19 January 2020 17: 55 New
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            Quote: Astra55
            We have a "school", the experience of the Cold War against the strongest enemy. And the Chinese have photocopies

            Neither "with us" but the Soviet Union, which was destroyed 30 years ago. We, for today, have only the experience of anchoring, endless repairs and coastal service .. :(
            1. Bogatyrev 20 January 2020 00: 23 New
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              Nothing - there are traditions anyway, there is no place for them.
              When the fleet enters the ocean, you do not have to start from scratch.
              1. SovAr238A 20 January 2020 15: 14 New
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                Quote: Bogatyrev
                Nothing - there are traditions anyway, there is no place for them.
                When the fleet enters the ocean, you do not have to start from scratch.


                What is unproven and unreasonable pathos.
                Tradition is the practice of transferring experience in real conditions.
                When there was a break for 30 years, then traditions died.
                And the experience died.
                Now all our enterprises show this.
                1. Bogatyrev 22 January 2020 00: 36 New
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                  How to say. In 41, the traditions of the old army were instantly remembered.
                  As for the fleet, there were breaks in the 18th century and more. The fleet rotted in the ports. But then there were Ushakov, Nakhimov and others.
                  So no pathos - just our story. When there are questions about the fleet, there will be answers. In the meantime, probably not.
              2. IC
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                When? Leave your dreams. Such ships are not built and not under the strength of a country with a stagnating commodity economy.
                1. Bogatyrev 10 March 2020 20: 59 New
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                  When the story curve turns again.
                  This is Russia, here it has happened more than once.
            2. Archon 16 March 2020 08: 33 New
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              as always, experience will come at the cost of great human sacrifice. an example is the defeat of Russia at the beginning of the Northern War, the great sacrifices in the Finnish war. Yes, throughout the history of Russia, for great victories, it was first necessary to make huge sacrifices.
          2. Cympak 20 January 2020 12: 26 New
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            Looking at what our admirals order for the Navy, there are very big doubts about their adequacy and lack of commitment.
            And experience is acquired and gained by practice, and not inherited.
            If warships spend more time at the berths, then experience is nowhere to come from.
          3. Yury Siritsky 20 January 2020 15: 26 New
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            What are you so sure that the Chinese are lagging behind? Once they build such ships, they know how to manage them.
            1. tima_ga 23 January 2020 00: 18 New
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              The fact that they have money and technology does not mean the presence of knowledge and experience. More recently, the Chinese fleet was regional and opposed the Indian, Japanese, Korean, smaller ones. Now China is aiming at global players and it will take time to gain experience and knowledge, to formulate methods for managing large forces in all areas of the world. However, this is precisely what they are doing, and this, of course, is unnerving for the states.
        2. TermNachTer 19 January 2020 17: 16 New
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          In my opinion, the narrow-film comrades hit gigantomania, which is not buzzing. And yes, it’s very curious what kind of filling there is? And then, we already faced situations when under a beautiful package hid a certain, odorous substance.
          1. Cympak 20 January 2020 12: 27 New
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            And is the project of an atomic destroyer of 20+ thousand tons not gigantomania?
            1. TermNachTer 20 January 2020 17: 53 New
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              You can draw 40 tons on paper, but even detailed design has not yet begun. And 000 tons is no longer a destroyer, it is a cruiser. Perhaps this is some kind of variation on the theme "Peter the Great". But among the Chinese - neither one nor the other. And already in the iron, including those that are still on the stocks.
        3. Octopus 19 January 2020 19: 03 New
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          Yes, the author greatly went over with enthusiasm.
          Great Britain in its best years used the principle of "equality of the fleet of the British fleets of the two strongest sea powers combined." America, by its example, does not threaten to realize something like this. Last May, Popular Mechanics magazine reported that China has more warships than the United States. The Chinese Navy was able to reach 300 ships, 13 more than the United States Navy.

          The United States has nominally 11 AUGs (although Ford is not ready), the Chinese have no one, its AB is closer in its aviation capabilities to the American UDC.

          China's current fleet is training. In 10 years, but rather 20, it will be possible to look at something.
          1. Sergey1987 20 January 2020 11: 44 New
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            Quote: Octopus
            The United States has nominally 11 AUGs (although Ford is not ready), the Chinese have no one, its AB is closer in its aviation capabilities to the American UDC.

            And now they are already able to form 2 AUGs. China's aircraft carrier in terms of the number of attack aircraft is almost the same as that of the US aircraft carrier.
            Quote: Octopus
            China's current fleet is training. In 10 years, but rather 20, it will be possible to look at something.

            laughing Yeah, straight for study. Directly not at all fighting.
            1. Octopus 20 January 2020 13: 16 New
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              Quote: Sergey1987
              China's aircraft carrier in terms of the number of attack aircraft is almost the same as that of the US aircraft carrier.

              And where will they fly, these strike aircraft? The Chinese have learned to launch drills from a springboard?
              Quote: Sergey1987
              Yeah, straight for study

              Of course. Well, show the flag, maybe make some noise somewhere with fishermen, I don’t know, Vietnamese - that’s please.
      3. antivirus 19 January 2020 10: 25 New
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        our billions don't have their own missiles, yet
      4. tihonmarine 19 January 2020 10: 28 New
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        Quote: Bar2
        beautiful ship, it feels exactly OUR school of shipbuilding, not American

        I do not envy the Chinese beautiful destroyer, I envy the Chinese shipbuilding.
        1. Catfish 19 January 2020 12: 49 New
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          Vlad hi , I envy the same thing, especially in comparison with a certain northern neighbor of China. Alas.
      5. Gray brother 19 January 2020 10: 42 New
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        Quote: Bar2
        .China builds large ships, for large affairs and Russia

        They need to cover trade routes from the Americans. Russia needs more submarines to destroy attack and carrier groups, as well as convoys heading from the United States to Europe.
        1. Bar2 19 January 2020 10: 45 New
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          Quote: Gray Brother
          Quote: Bar2
          .China builds large ships, for large affairs and Russia

          They need to cover trade routes from the Americans. Russia needs more submarines to destroy attack and carrier groups, as well as convoys heading from the United States to Europe.


          Russia is a great country and should correspond to this status, but judging by the fleet it does not correspond
          1. Gray brother 19 January 2020 10: 58 New
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            Quote: Bar2
            Russia is a great country and should correspond to this status, but judging by the fleet it does not correspond

            I do not understand why the continental power to inflate the fleet to such a size. We will not care about shelling US cities with cruise missiles, we will not land troops across the ocean and landing there either.
            The only thing we really need is to level the strike potential of the American fleet and make it difficult to transfer ground forces.
            Submarines are best suited for this.
            1. Galleon 19 January 2020 13: 12 New
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              The divers themselves will tell you that without a cover from above - from water and from the air - they are mere suicide bombers. To me, my friends who served as strategists, as a submarine said.
              1. missuris 19 January 2020 14: 16 New
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                well, all military potential suicide bombers, and the Russian economy is 2 times less than the state’s population, 2 times less than the climate, the union has already set up arms and fell apart from the fact that it did not give different consumer goods to the residents, poured all the stash on the military
              2. Gray brother 19 January 2020 16: 10 New
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                Quote: Galleon
                To me, my friends who served as strategists, as a submarine said.

                I hope they left the fleet so as not to endanger their lives.
                Because in the Atlantic there is neither one nor the other.
                1. Galleon 19 January 2020 19: 09 New
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                  Gone. Some have gone away, some have been the senior posts of these nuclear submarines, some with military orders. Age.
              3. tima_ga 23 January 2020 00: 36 New
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                This is true, but after much has been destroyed, we first need to re-provide air defense and fleet bases, otherwise ships, including submarines, simply will not be able to leave them. Therefore (and not only because of this) we are building rooks, karakurs, etc. And if we do this, we can think about building an ocean fleet. Maybe it’s right now not to build large ships piece by piece, to puff over a new aircraft carrier, an atomic destroyer ...
                1. Galleon 23 January 2020 11: 05 New
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                  I am sure that the command of the fleet is doing everything it can for the construction and battle fleet.
            2. Bar2 19 January 2020 14: 49 New
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              Quote: Gray Brother
              Submarines are best suited for this.


              here you are an expert, do you think that sailors will abandon the surface fleet? The most effective strategy at sea is the joint use of all kinds of forces at sea and a surface submarine. The submarine that made the volley has already been detected and can only be covered by a surface ship or aircraft or both. The boat can be torpedoed, but for the time being, then everything.
              1. Gray brother 19 January 2020 16: 07 New
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                Quote: Bar2
                here you are an expert, do you think that sailors will abandon the surface fleet?

                I didn’t say this, I just voiced my opinion about the priority tasks. You need what works.
              2. Starlei.ura 19 January 2020 21: 26 New
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                Have you outplayed the sea battle? You also tie signal buoys to the submarine so that it would be easier to search for it. I’ll try to describe your scenario in real life. Submarines from the water area, for example, the Pacific Ocean (can you imagine the area for the search?) From a distance, well, say 1000 km gives a volley of missiles at aug. Naturally, the Americans, in order to take revenge, throw the whole surviving crowd into the zone from where the launch was. 1-1,5 days (if calm) at the maximum, they stick out their tongue, sticking out their tongue, everyone in the soap “flies” to the given square, and there the Russian submariners bathe in the net naked, well, they shot correctly, they thumped the day, noted, well and after drinking, sauna and bathing. Well, here the slaughter began, let’s naughty with torpedoes, they were torpedoes, rockets and artillery, in short, the forces were not equal ..... You did not try to write scripts for Hollywood?
                1. Bar2 19 January 2020 22: 17 New
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                  Quote: Starlei.ura
                  You are outplayed in a naval battle


                  you and I didn’t drink at the Brudershaft, if you please contact us.
                  The cruiser Antei is armed with P-700 and P -800 missiles with a range of 600 km. if the aircraft carrier remains intact, he will launch his Hornets, which will be in place in a maximum of an hour and throw the area with buoys with a big guarantee of detecting the sub, further depth charges and the boat will be hit.
                  1. K-612-O 19 January 2020 22: 38 New
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                    Hornet cannot throw buoys or detect submarines. To do this, you need si hawks, which will not even reach the launch area, as well as the Hornets, without refueling. And the Poseidons in the air endlessly also will not work.
                    Do not twist our hand longer.
                    1. Alexey RA 20 January 2020 12: 41 New
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                      Quote: K-612-O
                      And the Poseidons in the air endlessly also will not work.

                      Nobody canceled the rotation. EMNIP, during the Cold War, the base PLO aviation just had to provide the AUG long-range PLO at the transition - I remember the scheme with the "Orions" placed on the left, right, and directly along the course. Plus, the basic aviation, together with the Vikings, was supposed to clean and keep the area of ​​operation of the AUG clean.
                    2. SovAr238A 20 January 2020 15: 18 New
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                      Quote: K-612-O
                      Hornet cannot throw buoys or detect submarines. To do this, you need si hawks, which will not even reach the launch area, as well as the Hornets, without refueling. And the Poseidons in the air endlessly also will not work.
                      Do not twist our hand longer.


                      Our hand needs an advanced aircraft lead. which is not and never will be.
                      Hornets are hitting aviation.
                      Submarines will not let near ships of the environment.

                      So we don’t have any advanced arm long.
                  2. Cympak 20 January 2020 12: 31 New
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                    Finding a nuclear submarine in combat patrol in the vast expanses of the ocean is an extremely difficult task. But the enemy can track them at the exit from the bases, and in the straits. Look at the map.
                2. Alexey RA 20 January 2020 12: 38 New
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                  Submarines from the water area, for example, the Pacific Ocean (can you imagine the area for the search?) From a distance, well, say 1000 km gives a volley of missiles at aug.

                  Previously, in a mysterious way, he received the area of ​​the AUG, its course and speed.
                  Quote: Starlei.ura
                  Naturally, the Americans, in order to take revenge, throw the whole surviving crowd into the zone from where the launch was.

                  Do you like to imagine the enemy as extremely stupid people? See how not to be in the situation of the Russo-Japanese - then they also wanted to throw all their hats.
                  As I understand it, PLO aviation in your reality has been canceled. And the cover by base aviation of the transition route and the AUG coverage area, too. Because in real life no one will rush anywhere. It’s just that the PLO planes closest to the launch point will go to the launch area and, based on the speed of the submarines and possible retreat rates, will begin to set up the RSL barriers. And then - a matter of technology.
            3. ugol2 19 January 2020 16: 18 New
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              Quote: Gray Brother
              to transfer troops across the ocean and landing there we will not land

              You are an interesting person.
              So easily said for the Chief of General Staff.
              That is, we will fight with them - we write ourselves - level the strike potential of the American fleet and make it difficult to transfer ground forcesand to defeat the aggressor, to enter his capital, we mean we are not going to.
              Will it mean pure defense? So can you give up right away? Only defending will not defeat anyone.
              For such a "strategic plan", the Chief of Staff should be demoted to lieutenant and sent Franz Joseph to Earth to remove snow. (And there is a lot of snow)
              1. Gray brother 19 January 2020 16: 49 New
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                Quote: ugol2
                So easily said for the Chief of General Staff.

                Captain Evidence is easy.
                Quote: ugol2
                , we’re not going to enter his capital.

                There are missiles for this, let the warheads enter there.
              2. Winnie76 19 January 2020 16: 59 New
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                Quote: ugol2
                but to defeat the aggressor, enter his capital, we mean we are not going to.

                Why enter the infection zone?
                Quote: ugol2
                Will it mean pure defense? So can you give up right away? Only defending will not defeat anyone.

                Of course not. We are organizing strategic landings in New York and San Francisco. For each of the battalion of marines. Here is America and kirdyk.
                Quote: ugol2
                For such a "strategic plan", the Chief of Staff should be demoted to lieutenant and sent Franz Joseph to Earth to remove snow. (And there is a lot of snow)

                You are such a brutal strategist, already goosebumps
            4. Narak-zempo 19 January 2020 17: 41 New
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              Quote: Gray Brother
              I do not understand why the continental power to inflate the fleet to such a size.

              Ok, in 1914 such a formulation of the question had the right to life. And in 1941. Because the power is really continental, far from the main ocean theaters, and its fate was decided on land fronts. Although, without the fleet, it is not known how the fate of the Russian revolution would have developed, and we would have had those Soviet achievements, the remains of which still do not allow us to finally slide down to the level of Somalia. Now I was just listening to a series of lectures by K.B. Nazarenko on this subject, I recommend.
              And in the Second World War, if we had a really strong fleet, capable of gaining dominance in the Black Sea and the Baltic and interrupting German transportation, it would be easier to fight.
              Well, now the capabilities of the fleet have changed somewhat. And in the sense of action along the coast, and in the sense of the missile defense component. And only the fleet comparable in strength can still resist the fleet.
              1. Cympak 20 January 2020 12: 37 New
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                You here, a little from the candidate of historical sciences Miroslav Morozov about the Baltic Fleet on the eve and at the beginning of the war



              2. Alexey RA 20 January 2020 13: 35 New
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                Quote: Narak-zempo
                And in the Second World War, if we had a really strong fleet, capable of gaining dominance in the Black Sea and the Baltic and interrupting German transportation, it would be easier to fight.

                What does the fleet have to do with it? Dominance on the inland sea is secured or lost by the army operating on the coast. To the same KBF give at least LK pr. 24, KR pr. 68 bis or, not by night, I will be remembered. MLK (4x4 130 mm) - all to no avail. If the army left the Baltic states, then in the Baltic Sea Coast KBF can only portray targets.
                This is not the Mediterranean, where outside of Italy normal airports once or twice miscalculated. In the Baltic, the enemy landed on the enemy the entire northern coast of the Federal Law, Prussia and the Baltic. And the radius of our coast fighters is 200 km. From Lavensaari.
                The second question is mines. Especially taking into account the fact that the German-Finnish mine position across the Federal Reserve from the north is covered by armored batteries with 12 ". It will have to be nibbled by the entire fleet, and with each pass - the German MH, TKA and BDB from Finnish skerries quickly abandon the campaign.
                On the Black Sea - the same thing. What is the use of having a strong fleet if the army surrendered the main shipbuilding center by September and rolled back to the contours of the main fleet base? What, will we dock the battleship in the floating dock with a carrying capacity of 10 tons?
            5. Alexey RA 20 January 2020 12: 30 New
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              Quote: Gray Brother
              The only thing we really need is to level the strike potential of the American fleet and make it difficult to transfer ground forces.
              Submarines are best suited for this.

              That's just to bring the submarine to the transatlantic routes you need to break the Faroe-Icelandic border. And here you can not do without a surface fleet, preferably also with the Air Force. For in a duel only PL vs PLO win PLO - just beyond numerical superiority and due to the presence of anti-aircraft defense systems of carriers that are not inimitable for submarines, detection and destruction systems (aviation anti-aircraft defense).
        2. Looking for 19 January 2020 14: 08 New
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          you are 80 years late with your doctrine.
          1. Gray brother 19 January 2020 16: 11 New
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            Quote: Seeker
            you are 80 years late with your doctrine.

            During this time, geography has not changed, America is also surrounded by oceans.
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          "They need to cover trade routes from the Americans." The main trade relations of China are with the United States (and its allies). It will be difficult for them to cover their trade routes with America from America. They have plans to overcome Taiwan, preferably without blood, for which they are building a strong fleet to keep the Americans from interfering. and ideally - that the Taiwanese would infuse and surrender themselves.
      6. knn54 19 January 2020 10: 57 New
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        Pavel, I agree. Looks like a Soviet Atlant missile cruiser.
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          What place does it look like pr.1164 "Atlas"?
          But the American “Burke” and “Ticonderoga” is very reminiscent.
      7. white.eagle 19 January 2020 15: 40 New
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        perfect target for missiles like F 35 from Japanese aircraft carriers with a JSM rocket
      8. smart ass 19 January 2020 16: 10 New
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        You can’t say that! It’s necessary to settle down and they will instruct you in the plus sign)
      9. bars1 19 January 2020 16: 12 New
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        You might think China is a communist / socialist country!
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        mvg 19 January 2020 16: 21 New
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        it is OUR shipbuilding school

        Do we have a shipbuilding school? belay Yes, God be with you .. You would have tied up with hard drugs. Tomorrow to school.
        1. Alexey RA 20 January 2020 14: 06 New
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          Quote: mvg
          Do we have a shipbuilding school?

          But what about the famous school "we build serial ships, each of which is unique". A key element of this school is the constant change by the customer of the ship's drawings, and with regard to even already mounted structures and assemblies. smile
    3. EnGenius 20 January 2020 15: 21 New
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      China has no access to the Sea of ​​Japan for the fleet. It will be hard to bend.
  2. Same lech 19 January 2020 06: 08 New
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    In total, in 2019, Chinese shipyards launched 23 surface ships in the interests of the Chinese Navy,

    That's the pace what ... hmm ... scope so scope.
    Can our country ever come to this?
    1. silver169 19 January 2020 07: 20 New
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      Never! There is no desire, no opportunity. And worst of all: there is no Chinese working capacity and hard work. Stagnation and slow dying are what awaits your country.
      1. maxim947 19 January 2020 09: 05 New
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        Again tears pouring?
        And what does your country expect?
        1. silver169 19 January 2020 10: 13 New
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          Is there really a bit of untruth in my words? Or have frigates already begun to be built in Russia, not for ten years each, but in the rest of the world in just a year or two? By the way, in the Russian Navy footcloths have been canceled or are they still the main attribute of the parade uniform?
          1. maxim947 19 January 2020 10: 16 New
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            In your words, despair, evil irony and hopelessness. But this is not so. Do not overlay your personal perceptions throughout the country.
            By the way your country is what?
            1. silver169 19 January 2020 11: 31 New
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              Well, right, despair and hopelessness)). And I am still excruciatingly painful for the aimlessly lived years))). You see, I had to serve in the Soviet army in 1982-84, when gigantic funds were brought into the army, but even then poverty and the mess reigning there were striking. I can imagine. what's going on now.
              1. maxim947 19 January 2020 18: 50 New
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                So you draw conclusions on your ideas?))) More precisely, fantasies. Everything is simple here - you just want it, wish it was all bad, and this is another song. See do not choke there from your anger. And they forgot the old Motherland and will not be new.
          2. kit88 19 January 2020 17: 25 New
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            Quote: silver169
            By the way, in the Russian Navy, footcloths were canceled or


            Yes! You are a great naval commander!
            A follower of glorious traditions!
          3. Alexey RA 20 January 2020 15: 35 New
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            Quote: silver169
            By the way, in the Russian Navy footcloths have been canceled or are they still the main attribute of the parade uniform?

            Bastards with footcloths? Monsieur knows a lot about perversions ... © laughing
        2. prior 19 January 2020 10: 31 New
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          Well, why is he expecting it? Everything has already taken place.
          Russia is not a country of origin, Russia is a country of huckster, a country of traders, a country of buy-sell.
          But traders do not protect the country, they sell it in the form of gas, oil, timber, privatization and sale of property (investments are called).
          In short, a classic raw material colony, whatever the media would say.
      2. bars1 19 January 2020 16: 15 New
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        silver169 Do you consider yourself worse than the Chinese? Or do you consider yourself a small exception?
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          Quote: bars1
          Or do you consider yourself a small exception?

          He is from Australia, as far as I remember.
  3. New Year day 19 January 2020 06: 08 New
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    China is building its fleet and one can only envy the pace of construction. I would not want this armada to threaten us. Can we build like this? At the moment, no. It's a pity.
    1. Ross xnumx 19 January 2020 06: 26 New
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      Quote: Silvestr
      I would not want this armada to threaten us. Can we build like this? At the moment, no. It's a pity.

      We do not shoot the stolen officials - it is futile. And the funds we have (as the authors write) it is not enough for the fleet and will be.
      As for the destroyers, then:
      1. Grafova Irina 19 January 2020 13: 50 New
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        There are projects in total. From traveling boats to aircraft carriers. Only with this "projection" ...
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        Oh, with pictures and cartoons, Russia is in full order. As with mockups. We can still neigh over Ukrainians ... it will not rust.
      3. K-612-O 19 January 2020 22: 43 New
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        So in China they shoot every year, only that they are not diminishing, 13 tons of gold in the basements are both stored and stored.
    2. Deck 19 January 2020 08: 20 New
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      Why envy:
      On the last day of March, the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy, Admiral Vladimir Korolev spoke about the plans of the military department regarding the acceptance of new ships. According to him, in the period from 2018 to 2020, the fleet will receive and introduce ships and vessels of all main classes into the combat structure. At the moment, this is the main task that the command sets itself. During the specified period, according to the commander, during the specified period the navy will receive order fifty units of equipment


      Let the Chinese envy us with their miserable results
      In total, in 2019, Chinese shipyards launched 23 surface ships in the interests of the Navy of China
      1. Cympak 20 January 2020 12: 43 New
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        The key to counting is "units of equipment"
    3. prior 19 January 2020 10: 22 New
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      But what kind of models we are building! China will envy!
  4. rocket757 19 January 2020 06: 22 New
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    All the same, the GOAL dictates such costs!
    Surely, after all, such a swing is not required to solve small-town issues ...... A GAME FOR A LONG TIME! God forbid our descendants wait, see why and why everything is done.
    Discuss the military equipment itself .... just the Chinese have it, there are a lot of them and they all do it themselves!
    1. bessmertniy 19 January 2020 06: 50 New
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      The Chinese are pragmatists. If you build a powerful fleet, then it should justify the costs. I think that China is solving the problem of controlling its oceans of the oceans.
      1. rocket757 19 January 2020 07: 01 New
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        The Chinese have TRADE and RESOURCE SUPPLY, almost everything goes by sea! It’s logical, necessary, to be able to protect everything ....
        There are also very instructive examples in history, about the former "mistress of the seas"!
        World trade, respectively, the ways of its implementation, it’s such, such a “tidbit” object of influence on EVERYTHING in the world, direct UX!
  5. Odysseus 19 January 2020 06: 30 New
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    They build, of course, unrealistically much and quickly, but still their fleet is far behind the American one, primarily in aircraft-carrying ships and nuclear submarines, and they have in their potential opponents the Japanese fleet and, possibly, the Indian fleet. Plus, of course, with this rapid quantitative growth issues arise with the preparation of crews for these ships. And most importantly, the training of naval commanders.
    It would be very curious to know how they now see the use of their large, but little balanced fleet in the event of real conflicts? The seizure of Taiwan, the struggle with Japan over the islands, the fight against the United States if they block the channels of oil supplies by sea, etc. So far I have not read sensible analytical materials on this topic.
    1. Mityay65 19 January 2020 09: 45 New
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      Quote: Odyssey
      The seizure of Taiwan, the struggle with Japan over the islands, the fight against the United States if they block the channels of oil supplies by sea, etc. So far, I have not read sensible analytical materials on this topic.

      Yes, I have not seen an analysis either. Of particular interest is the question of the first and second belt of islands along the coast of China. They are not under the control of China and objectively impede the operational deployment of the fleet in case of war. This is a kind of strategic impasse.
  6. viktor_ui 19 January 2020 06: 57 New
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    The Chinese destroyer looks like a blade ... especially in the penultimate photo. It remains to be happy for their fleet.
  7. Avior 19 January 2020 07: 39 New
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    The Chinese, of course, are building the fleet at an accelerated pace, their imagination is simply amazing, but as for the new destroyer, it looks more like Arly Burke in formal terms than in Tiki (but in fact, who knows?) nothing displaces their displacement except a smile.
  8. Gardamir 19 January 2020 08: 00 New
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    China,! States! And for the Power I am only offended by the joy that cars in the yards and other blah blah.
  9. G. Georgiev 19 January 2020 08: 58 New
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    .... do not be jealous, because this is not necessary. Russia is the most powerful country and possesses quite powerful weapons. One Zircon missile, from a submarine, is enough to send a Chinese ship to the bottom.
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      Do we have many submarines with Zircons? How many submarines and missiles will be? I don’t think so much. Hardly enough for all the ships of the Chinese Navy ...
    2. donavi49 19 January 2020 09: 35 New
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      Not a single non-existent weapon has yet done any harm to the real enemy.

      As for the submarines, there is already 1 Kuzbass in Kamchatka, which is capable of doing something (and it is tied with arms and legs to ensure the security of the strategic nuclear forces). The rest of the NSLF. Samara and Bratsk - they wanted to fix it in a couple of years in the North, total 5,5 years - only partial defect carried out. Repair not started. The Indians caught fire on a second boat - delegations drove there to stream the presentation of the goods.


      The composition of the multi-purpose diesel forces (Pacific Fleet) now has one (1) boat capable of firing TA cruise missiles - B-274 Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky. And physically, she is at the Admiralty Shipyards, moving to a duty station in the 2nd quarter of this year.


      In general, if they had written bravura in Radioactive Ashes, that would have been real. Zircons are imaginary bonnets with which to throw the enemy.
  10. Chaldon48 19 January 2020 09: 40 New
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    Soon they will start making for sale, but who wants to buy them?
    1. donavi49 19 January 2020 10: 33 New
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      Well buy. Navy China is selling quite successfully.

      The Thais bought for 410mln S26t with a large sonar and VNEU.


      The Thais bought a large DKVD 071E for 130 million with Chinese landing equipment (LCAC).


      4 frigates 054A - with reinforced strike weapons (YJ-12). In total, the Pakistan Navy has so far ordered four frigates of Project 054A, which should be commissioned by the end of 2021.


      4 corvettes 056 in Bangladesh


      Well, a lot more in just the last year:
      old frigates 053, after repair and partial modernization, replenished the fleet of Sri Lanka (1), Bangladesh (2). A brand new 3000t Behr Masah ocean hydrograph was shipped to a customer (Pakistan). Chinese Rivers for Malaysia for 170 million (2 ships) - the first one has already been shipped, 900 t - good habitability and sufficient armament (the customer chose the anti-piracy version with a 30 mm remote control gun - but in the proposals there AK-176 Chinese + 8 anti-ship missiles and / or FL- module 3000 for 8-12 ZURok).

      If you take from the old 2 corvette 056 to Nigeria in 17-18 years + the Kerris guard line to fight the pirates.
  11. Paul Siebert 19 January 2020 10: 12 New
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    Yeah - the hands of the Celestial Empire have enough ...
    Modeling ships, like cakes in a sandbox.
    After all, everyone knows that a Chinese anti-tank platoon of one and a half thousand people with screwdrivers in three minutes will dismantle any enemy tank on the battlefield in cogs ... wink
    1. donavi49 19 January 2020 10: 44 New
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      Not only ships.

      Here is the UAC shock five-year plan in two photos, and this is only Shaanxi.



      There are also competitors from Xian - they only have more cars on the factory airfield site than they raised the IL-476. But, the Y-20 flew a year later.

  12. voyaka uh 19 January 2020 11: 12 New
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    Chinese Zumvolt? smile
    They are close in size (15,000 t, 190 m).
  13. Eug
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    As for me, China wants to squeeze mattresses out of the first containment line (there was a map on this resource), secure trade routes for transporting energy and not only) in the Indian Ocean (it will be very long and risky to go by convoy past the unfriendly Indian coast), but Strait of Malacca how to get there? There, the width is only 40 km., And the shipping lanes even already ...
  14. Old26 19 January 2020 13: 50 New
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    Quote: Deck
    Why envy:
    On the last day of March, the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy, Admiral Vladimir Korolev spoke about the plans of the military department regarding the acceptance of new ships. According to him, in the period from 2018 to 2020, the fleet will receive and introduce ships and vessels of all main classes into the combat structure. At the moment, this is the main task that the command sets itself. During the specified period, according to the commander, during the specified period the navy will receive order fifty units of equipment


    Let the Chinese envy us with their miserable results
    In total, in 2019, Chinese shipyards launched 23 surface ships in the interests of the Navy of China

    Of course, what is the envy of the Chinese. They launched 23 surface ships over the course of the year, but these are destroyers, frigates, landing ships with a displacement of 19-40 thousand tons, and in two years we have received as many as units, including boats. How many destroyers did we build in 2018-2019? How many frigates? Corvettes, landing ships of such a displacement as that of the Chinese. That is the envy of the Chinese. And leave the fuss about 2 units received in 50 years for other resources

    Quote: Odyssey
    They build, of course, unrealistically much and quickly, but still their fleet is far behind the American one, primarily in aircraft-carrying ships and nuclear submarines, and they have in their potential opponents the Japanese fleet and, possibly, the Indian fleet. Plus, of course, with this rapid quantitative growth issues arise with the preparation of crews for these ships. And most importantly, the training of naval commanders.
    It would be very curious to know how they now see the use of their large, but little balanced fleet in the event of real conflicts? The seizure of Taiwan, the struggle with Japan over the islands, the fight against the United States if they block the channels of oil supplies by sea, etc. So far I have not read sensible analytical materials on this topic.

    And sensible analytical materials (comprehensive) do not seem to exist. Fragmented analytics comes across, but it is more concerned with technical rather than military-political aspects.

    Quote: G. Georgiev
    .... do not be jealous, because this is not necessary. Russia is the most powerful country and possesses quite powerful weapons. One Zircon missile, from a submarine, is enough to send a Chinese ship to the bottom.

    Do you think so? Russia is washed by 13 seas of three oceans. The purely maritime border of EMNIP is about 39 thousand kilometers plus more than 7,5 thousand river and lake borders. And we do not need a fleet ??? Zircon is still something virtual. And in order to send a Chinese ship to the bottom with the same Zircon from a submarine, it is necessary that at least 2 conditions are met.
    The first is to have Zircons
    The second is to have submarines

    Quote: Volder
    Do we have many submarines with Zircons? How many submarines and missiles will be? I don’t think so much. Hardly enough for all the ships of the Chinese Navy ...

    About the same as tanks in the old Soviet joke about the Chinese threat in the Far East laughing
  15. Looking for 19 January 2020 14: 11 New
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    Quote: maxim947
    In your words despair, evil irony and hopelessness

    but there is no reason for optimism and joy. then it will get worse and worse.
  16. Looking for 19 January 2020 14: 16 New
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    Enough to beat around the bush already. TRUSLIBLY we go around the truth that is clear to everyone - FISH ROTS FROM THE HEAD !!!
    1. maden.usmanow 19 January 2020 15: 47 New
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      No, you're wrong.
      As you know, the liberals are to blame
      And the Echo of Moscow
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        And Ukraine, of course.
  17. Mihail42 19 January 2020 17: 07 New
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    China needs to hurry with the return of Taiwan to the fold of the Motherland: A generation that considers itself Chinese goes to another world and young people consider themselves Taiwanese and not Chinese
  18. riwas 20 January 2020 05: 14 New
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    But according to English sources, universal launchers can be used for the following types of missiles:

    - anti-aircraft missiles HHQ-9 (possibly DK-10A);
    - anti-ship missiles YJ-18;
    - long-range cruise missiles CJ-10;
    anti-submarine torpedoes.

    Last - probably anti-submarine missile torpedoes.
    There are no rocket launchers for short-range anti-submarine defense.
    Nothing is said about anti-torpedo defense (for example, anti-torpedoes).
    1. Cympak 20 January 2020 12: 50 New
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      The Chinese have jet bombs. they install them on destroyers on a helicopter hangar side-by-side. In addition to anti-submarine bombs, they are used to interfere. We would not be prevented by similar installations on ships.
      Note the Chinese have created truly universal cells that are also suitable for SAM, RCC, KR, PLUR. moreover, they realized the possibility of both hot and cold launch of missiles.
      And ours, what prevents the creation of a universal VPU? Military industrial feudalism?
  19. Alexey RA 20 January 2020 12: 23 New
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    One more illustrative example can be given. Displacement (full) of the American missile cruiser type "Ticonderoga" is 9800 tons. In turn, the displacement of the new Chinese destroyer is approximately 13 thousand tons with a ship length of about 180 meters. In other words, the Chinese destroyer is larger (or at least no less) than the American cruiser.

    No wonder if you recall the story of Ticonderoga. Tika was designed and built as a destroyer URO DDG-47. But because of admiral’s ambitions ("the American fleet can not remain without cruisers") DDG-47 was reclassified to KR UGG CG-47. So, by and large, Ticonderoga is an EM URO. More precisely, the Sprigens into which Aegis was stuck.
    We had a similar case with pr. 58 ships, which were built as EM, and after launching the lead one, were reclassified to RKR.
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    I would call Rakhmanov “on the carpet” in the place of Putin and say that we need to design a destroyer similar to type 055 for our Navy. And to Rakhmanov’s remark that our shipbuilders can do better, answered Comrade Stalin in the words: “No better, do this same "
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      To design - we can do much better ... we cannot build ... we drew the Chinese in a huge part
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      So there are no turbines for destroyers. It’s difficult to scrape onto frigates.

      Therefore, the atomic destroyer wanders in the minds of the military-industrial complex.
  21. Pavel57 21 January 2020 11: 43 New
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    HHQ-10 anti-aircraft guided missiles (24 cells).

    For autonomous swimming a little.
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      This is a short-range self-defense air defense system "copied" from the American air defense system RIM-116 RAM
      Here is the HHQ-10


      But RAM


      And medium-range and long-range anti-aircraft missiles on Type 055 Chinese destroyers are loaded into universal fire-fighting systems, of which 112 are on this type. You can freely choose which missiles to load in these cells: air defense missile systems, missile defense systems, anti-ship missiles or anti-ship missiles
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    Thus, the destroyer is seen in the context of the regional strengthening of the Chinese fleet, and not at all as the “killer of American aircraft carriers,” as the cruiser of Orlan Project 1144 was once called (and, most surprisingly, continues to be called).


    And what is the surprise? Or that the author has confidence that the US air defense system will be able to 100% repel the attack of 20 KR Granite ?!

    Many cases when the US air defense showed itself well? Judging by the Hussite and Iranian attacks, cruise missiles for US air defense are a big problem and I don’t think they have much better in the Navy with this.
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    I would also add that the reliability of the Chinese is such that all their number must be divided by 2.
    Although their efforts look brave.