What does the second restructuring of Putin mean?


What future does the message of Russian President Vladimir Putin promise to the Federal Assembly of January 15, 2020? In essence, Perestroika-2 begins. Discussions on improving the well-being of the people and demography served as an information cover for the start of the second perestroika.


Property issue


What can be distinguished? “Kubyshki” (National Welfare Fund, etc.) will not be touched. There are no priorities for state investments and the mechanism of investments with "long" low-interest or interest-free money, as was the case in the USSR or in China. That is, the financial and economic policy will be the same, which was confirmed by the new Prime Minister M. Mishustin. The rich will continue to grow rich, the poor (most of the people) will go poorer. There will be more billionaires and multimillionaires, they will be even richer. Against the background of the general subsidence of the people into poverty and misery.

The issue of ownership (social justice) is a key issue for today's Russia, bypassed. The Mina, which was laid under the new Russia in the 1990s, when privatized state-owned property was transferred to a handful of scoundrels through privatization, is not rendered harmless. And its explosion can destroy not only the liberal Russian Federation, but the entire millennium-old Russian world.

The call to expand the rights of municipalities - bodies of democracy, without changing Article 12 of the Constitution ("Local authorities are not included in the system of state authorities"), is meaningless. According to article 3 of the Constitution:

"1. The bearer of sovereignty and the only source of power in the Russian Federation is its multinational people. 2. The people exercise their power directly, as well as through public authorities and local authorities. ”

In reality, the Russian people do not have the possibility of real democracy either through municipal bodies (councils), or through congresses, or through parliament, or through parties that serve only the interests of the authorities and big business.

The new status of the State Council, when this body should be above the legislative, executive and judicial powers, receive the right to go to parliament with legislative initiative and dispose of state property, is a continuation of the irremovable power of one person in Russia and his “friends” and partners. And the results of his 20-year reign in Russia are very sad. From the defeat of education, medicine and science, industry to the extinction of the Russian people.

Part of the presidential powers are transferred to parliament. But at the same time, the president retains control over the government, the courts, prosecutors and the armed forces. That is, dual power is being created: the president and the head of the State Council. This can lead in the future either to a further decrease in the role of the president, or to a conflict of interests; prerequisites for a coup and revolution will be created.

The inviolability of Articles 1 and 2 of the 1993 Constitution, demonstrated by President Putin, means maintaining the orientation towards a liberal democratic state, a republican form of government, “rights and freedoms,” and the invariance of the rule of private property. That is, the Russian Federation remains a state with pro-Western principles at its core. Conceptually, ideologically, financially and economically, Russia remains under the West.

Perestroika-2


Thus, “Perestroika-2” is an attempt by Putin and his entourage to preserve the former system, modernize it somewhat, make it more stable in order to survive the upcoming new wave of global unrest with the development of the scenario of a major war in the Middle East. At the same time, people were promised handouts. Nothing significant, not a single priority for the future of Russia and the people. Attempts to improve demography and cause a steady population growth with some material stimulation are pointless. Without a meaningful image of the future, a project and a development project, the abandonment of the Western society of consumption and extermination (the society of the Golden Calf), Russia will continue to die out, and even faster.

Putin's Russia remains in the past, the way out of which is the death of the state, civilization and people in the stormy sea of ​​global unrest. A change of government only means strengthening financial discipline within the corporation of power and money. To fulfill social obligations, national projects need money. The rich will not take them. Markers of this: Mishustin opposed the abolition of the cannibalistic pension reform, against the introduction of a progressive tax and for tightening financial control over citizens. Given the inviolability of privatized (stolen from the people) property, the entire financial burden will again fall on Russian citizens who do not belong to the caste of the haves.

The likelihood of an “elite war” in Russia with the redistribution of property and financial flows is also increasing. There are two leading scenarios. The first is the rout of conditional liberals (the Medvedev clan). The president and the new prime minister, relying on the siloviki, will “squeeze out” the property and transfer financial flows to a part of the Russian “elite”, which focuses on the liberal-democratic wing of the global elite (including US democrats). The second - liberals led by Kudrin, Medvedev and Chubais take up. And they "rebuild" Russia for themselves, continuing its "optimization" (utilization). Medvedev in this scenario is a candidate for the role of the new president.
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  1. Same lech 18 January 2020 04: 56 New
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    What does the second restructuring of Putin mean?

    I believe that ordinary citizens will digitize everything and everyone ... all income and expenses of people will be kept under tight control ... Misshutin is ideally suited for this business ... there will be a kind of digital slavery in a golden cage ... something similar is created in China ... where an ordinary Chinese should already meet certain digital criteria for a stable life and by simply pressing a button on a computer it will be possible to erase a person from public life without much difficulty. hi
    The complete uncertainty of the future ... despite all the declarations of Putin and his national projects, it is hard to believe in their social orientation ... after all, large commercial and private companies will be in charge ... the state will only deal with fiscal and tax collection ... very not a joyful prospect.
    1. maidan.izrailovich 18 January 2020 05: 04 New
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      I believe that everything will be digitized by ordinary citizens ... all people's incomes and expenses will be kept under tight control ...

      So, God forbid, someone does not decide to get rich unauthorized.
      The main thing for the current government is that there are no extra rich. Only those who can.
      Well, and in general, the course of your thoughts is quite logical and close to reality.
      1. Same lech 18 January 2020 05: 11 New
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        So, God forbid, someone does not decide to get rich unauthorized.
        The main thing for the current government is that there are no extra rich. Only those who can.
        I can agree with this ... a club of billionaires has formed in Russia ... a narrow group of people with extra income ... an extremely closed club of the elect for the public ... it’s very difficult to find out what’s going on in it ... occasionally information about them is drained but he instantly overlaps. what
        Any attempts to tax them in excess are quickly suppressed by the Kremlin smile therefore, I am very wary and distrustful of Putin and his protege and his national plans.
        1. Tatyana 18 January 2020 05: 32 New
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          Absolutely true article! And the author’s conclusions are absolutely correct!
          I subscribe to everything that the author wrote! Absolutely under everything !!!

          Putin's Russia remains in the past, the way out of which is the death of the state, civilization and people in the stormy sea of ​​global unrest. A change of government only means strengthening financial discipline within the corporation of power and money. To fulfill social obligations, national projects need money. The rich will not take them. Markers of this: Mishustin opposed the abolition of the cannibalistic pension reform, against the introduction of a progressive tax and for tightening financial control over citizens. Given the inviolability of privatized (stolen from the people) property, the entire financial burden will again fall on Russian citizens who do not belong to the caste of the haves.
          1. Stas157 18 January 2020 11: 47 New
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            The new status of the State Council when this body should be above the legislative, executive and judicial branches, get the right to go to parliament with a legislative initiative and dispose of state property is a continuation of the irremovable power of one person

            Behind the external tinsel of the hype raised about the resignation of the government and new handouts to the people, essentially revolutionary changes are taking place in the structure of power. The basic principle of democracy is violated - the separation of powers.

            The son-schoolboy in homework should have been brought proof ofthat in Russia we have democracy. The evidence was based on the existence of three independent(at least formally) branches of government. And now when the supervisory authority (State Council) turned over them, how do schoolchildren do their homework ??

            Although, in principle, this is not at all ridiculous. The reason for the stagnation in the USSR and one of the claims to the country was the non-replaceable Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev. The USSR was destroyed, but the new Leonid Ilyich came.
            1. Amper 18 January 2020 17: 54 New
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              This is not true. It has long been no longer the personality of the head of state that governs the country, it is usually just a generalizing image of a conglomerate of a group of real people embodying will, principles, finances, strength, etc. in government, more or less comfortable with all of them. After Stalin, Khrushchev transferred charismatic, tyrannical politicians. Their place was taken by the nominees Possessing real power. And in their activity they pursue the goals set by this group, farther and farther away from the welfare and prosperity of the People.
              1. Beringovsky 19 January 2020 00: 48 New
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                Absolutely right.
                Decisions are made not by Putin and not by the Duma - they are only executors and cover. Screen.
                The problem is that we absolutely do not understand how the mechanism for making major decisions in the life of the country works, who the author is, how they are pushed, and so on.
                And the picture with pompous Putin and the deputies applauding him - the picture is.
                1. kotvov 19 January 2020 10: 24 New
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                  Decisions are not made by Putin or the Duma,
                  The article says Putin and his environment. And I was said, the environment and Putin.
                  1. Maj
                    Maj 19 January 2020 14: 27 New
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                    What does the second restructuring of Putin mean?

                    Means that the USSR has demarcated completely.
                    Russia moved to the Asian part of the USSR, together with the former republics of Central Asia.
                    The rest of the former republics (including Azerbaijan) were transferred to the European part of the USSR.
                    There is nothing unexpected in this. Many European politicians wrote about this a long time ago. But before, there were some doubts about this. Now they are gone.
                  2. Yu-81 20 January 2020 07: 10 New
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                    And more precisely - capital, through the puppet pridedent and the puppet parliament.
                    This is capitalism. When capital rules the country through its henchmen. And simpletons believe that there is democracy, elections, the president, parliament, and so on.
              2. aybolyt678 19 January 2020 09: 40 New
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                Quote: Amper
                nominees Possessing real power

                Here I absolutely agree with you! In the natural world, as a result of evolution, a protective coloration has developed in many animal species. In the world of people in a similar way, Real Power has learned to be invisible. They wage war, oust presidents and conduct public opinion. There is an "evolution" of power smile
        2. Lexus 18 January 2020 05: 39 New
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          In essence, Perestroika-2 begins.

          Not otherwise, the laurels of the "labeled", which the devils were waiting for in hell, do not give rest. Yes, and soon there will be nothing to ruin.
          1. GKS 2111 18 January 2020 06: 02 New
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            A change of government only means strengthening financial discipline within the corporation of power and money. To fulfill social obligations, national projects need money. The rich will not take them. Markers of this: Mishustin opposed the abolition of the cannibalistic pension reform, against the introduction of a progressive tax and for tightening financial control over citizens. Given the inviolability of privatized (stolen from the people) property, the entire financial burden will again fall on Russian citizens who do not belong to the caste of the haves.
            Who would doubt it ...
            1. Lexus 18 January 2020 06: 14 New
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              Russian citizens who do not belong to the caste of the haves.

              It can be shorter - "available."
          2. YOUR 18 January 2020 07: 17 New
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            Quote: lexus
            In essence, Perestroika-2 begins.

            In fact, trampling on the spot continues.
            1. bessmertniy 18 January 2020 07: 25 New
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              Why, trampling !? New people will come to the feeder, who must find some reserves of our economy, and due to this they will become very rich. wassat
              1. No, dear bessmertniy, it will no longer be with a 99% guarantee. Everything has its time. There is reason to believe that the time allotted to the state, model 1991/1993. taxiing in the territory of the country of Russia And no precautionary measures will help him anymore. The rest is to wait .... ,, removal of the body ,,. Not funny? Not funny, because with a high degree of probability the country Russia will suffer. The state collapsed ,, RI ,, - citizens suffered, the state collapsed ,, USSR ,, - Soviet citizens suffered. Collapses ,, RK ,, (,, Capitalist Russia ,,) - suffer again, dear Russians ,,. ,, We are not guilty! ,, Come on! And who the elections ,, on the ground, falsified? Putin and Medvedev? Who in love for AUE explains with snot and tears of tenderness, under ,, chanson ,,? Prosecutor Seagull? Who in the regional media outrages the people of vulgarity and debauchery? Personally Soros? Most likely, on the neck, we get EVERYTHING. We’ll lose the territory, as usual, .... But, as they say: ,, What did they fight for ... ,, Have time to do something? But ,, dream ,, continues. We see everything. It doesn’t even reach the point that, for example, it’s ...
            2. Amper 18 January 2020 17: 57 New
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              In fact, the fall continues into the abyss, at the bottom of which death and decay.
              1. YOUR 19 January 2020 03: 35 New
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                I really would not want to. Better than new shocks.
        3. krops777 18 January 2020 09: 41 New
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          I can agree with this ... a club of billionaires has formed in Russia ... a narrow group of people with extra income ... an extremely closed club of the elect for the public ... it’s very difficult to find out what’s going on in it ... occasionally information about them is drained but he instantly overlaps.



          Alas, it is everywhere like this, in any country, and in time, regardless of system, views and belief that when people ran with clubs, that under the king, queen, pope, late USSR, etc., the dialectic of human nature however.
          1. Amper 18 January 2020 18: 06 New
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            In vain banite. So it is. Not a single nation governs its state, not one state is nation-wide. As a rule, a state is ruled by Big Money to the extent of its decency or perversion (see mattresses as an example of the latter), or unprecedented greed, greed, illiteracy, as a local region, south, east .. It is surprising that Cuba, Vietnam are still alive ..
            1. krops777 18 January 2020 18: 20 New
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              So it is. Not a single nation governs its state, not one state is nation-wide. As a rule, a state is ruled by Big Money to the extent of its decency or perversion (see mattresses as an example of the latter), or unprecedented greed, greed, illiteracy, as a local region, south, east .. It is surprising that Cuba, Vietnam are still alive ..



              So I’m talking about that, but for some there’s one thing, because the oligarchs only in Russia and under Putin they don’t even want to hear the rest.
          2. naidas 19 January 2020 14: 25 New
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            So that’s the question. The question is why the country went through Stalinist repressions in order to come to poverty. Now we are being driven into poverty and now we are asked to figure out what we will get money from on our table? What will happen to poverty, while quietly dying out.
      2. Million 18 January 2020 09: 39 New
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        They are digitizing us for this. Soon, cash will probably be banned so that not a penny is hidden from the eyes of the state.
        1. depressant 18 January 2020 12: 44 New
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          I agree with previous speakers and with the article as a whole. I would like to clarify the author. “Long money” will not be given in order to prevent the formation of a group of new young industrialists who oppose the Putin clan and are able to demand a share in the development of natural resources in the future. No one else rises, forget, the clan heirs have grown! An equal opportunity society has died without being formed. At the same time, Putin’s own clan, under the pretext of national projects, will continue to be fed from the state budget, that is, at the expense of taxes from the ravaged population, as well as the adversarial oligarchic clan that is fattening. The search for legislative instruments will continue, allowing - no, not to nationalize, but to redistribute the property of "enemies" in favor of "friends." Mention of citizenship is only the first sign. At the same time, Putin is still, unashamedly, putting on a mask of the protector of ordinary people. Whereas in fact, the handouts thrown at the people on January 15 are a forced response to the dissatisfaction of foreign co-owners of retail chains due to falling revenues in 2019, gentlemen seriously strained. And Putin does not care about demographics. He doesn’t care whom to rule - even Russian, even Tajik. The latter is more convenient.
          1. Amper 18 January 2020 18: 07 New
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            Putin has not been shy about anything for a long time.
          2. Beringovsky 19 January 2020 01: 10 New
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            No one else rises, forget, the clan heirs have grown!

            And here you are mistaken. The heirs are mostly spineless jerks, accustomed that everything is given without difficulty. Without dad they are not worth a penny.
            When the daddies lose their grip from old age (and this time is just around the corner), their heirs will be devoured along with their diplomas of Harvard, MBA and so on. And with the aged daddies. They will also ask for supplements.
            This is the problem of the current elite - there is no one to transfer power to.
      3. Deck 21 January 2020 09: 09 New
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        Saltykov-Shchedrin about now
        “I wanted something: either the constitution, or the stellar sturgeon with horseradish, or the one to tear off someone.”
        1. phair 23 January 2020 05: 08 New
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          Or pickles, roofing felts of the world revolution. A. White.
    2. dison 18 January 2020 11: 48 New
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      Quote: The same Lech
      I believe that everything will be digitized by ordinary citizens

      Mishustin is a technical figure. The main thing in the message is the abolition of the primacy of international law and the removal of the "agents" of its influence - officials with dual citizenship or a view of it.
      1. Same lech 18 January 2020 11: 51 New
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        The main thing in the message is the abolition of the primacy of international law and the removal of the "agents" of its influence - officials with dual citizenship or a view of it

        I'd like to believe in it ... smile
    3. Shelest2000 18 January 2020 13: 17 New
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      What does the second restructuring of Putin mean?

      On this topic, I recalled a joke
      - Dad, they raised the price of vodka, now you will drink less!
      - No, son, it’s you and your mother who will eat less!
    4. NEXUS 18 January 2020 14: 13 New
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      Quote: The same Lech
      I believe that everything will be digitized by ordinary citizens ... all people's incomes and expenses will be kept under tight control ...

      I am sure you are not far from the truth. The framework is the same, the electorate is more controlled.
      Quote: The same Lech
      The complete uncertainty of the future ...

      In this future, we, as servants ensuring the will of the elites and the safety of their capital, will sit on a shorter leash so that we do not kick and protest. 99% of people, not only in our country, but in the world, are beggars. As it does not hurt the ears of successful people, but it is. The elites want to arrange another artificial crisis, and all success will fly off these people very quickly. And they will close their enterprises, firms, offices, selling their acquired property in order to stay afloat. So the beggar is fed up when his uncle decides to give him some money. But just enough so that this beggar does not get on his feet, and so that he does not die of hunger.
      1. Victor N 18 January 2020 15: 31 New
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        Making everyone pay taxes is in the public interest. After that, you can move on to differentiated personal income tax and even consider the possibility of lowering rates for certain types of taxes. In this order.
        Exaggerating the capabilities of the "elite" contributes to the formation of a naive, innocent (such as a lot of) miserable complex. No need to corrupt the people. Feeling himself a servant and a slave, he will never become the master of his destiny, he will not realize the deep essence of the concepts of “HONOR” and “DIGNITY”.
        1. NEXUS 18 January 2020 15: 40 New
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          Quote: Victor N
          Exaggerating the capabilities of the "elite" contributes to the formation of a naive, innocent (such as a lot of) wretchedness complex.

          Dear, I have diminished their capabilities. What will you do if tomorrow they raise 10 times the utilities, gas, water, electricity, gas, etc.? Will you talk about the fact that all crises are to blame? Crisis, like prices in general, are artificial concepts. Answer me an elementary question: why did people during Brezhnev or Khrushchev pay pennies for gas, gas, and light, unlike today? Che, gasoline has become better at times, or maybe the water has become alive?
        2. depressant 18 January 2020 16: 01 New
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          Victor N, you seem to be saying it is true, but do not take into account the fact of differentiating people according to their natural abilities. Yes, many people are innocent, naive, not capable of energetic entrepreneurial jerks. And such - 90%. If we exclude natural sloths, then do not the majority of the rest "simple-minded" deserve to be good performers in decent work and, accordingly, receive not a humiliatingly small, but a decent salary? I’m a witness of how in the 90s, many of them, not understanding their own essence, overestimated themselves, believed in the widely-spread “equal opportunities society”, tried to become entrepreneurs, and some people managed to do something. But the default of 98 years put everything in its place, throwing exceeded self-esteem from the business forever. And they have not returned to him. But they did not receive decent ordinary work either. This situation continues to this day. I would even say aggravated. And as a result, many capable young people leave the country, often forever. In search of a worthy application of his though not very large, but still strength and abilities. An understanding of the fact by the population also leads to a decrease in the birth rate. Why give birth if the baby in life does not shine?
        3. naidas 19 January 2020 14: 28 New
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          Quote: Victor N
          Making everyone pay taxes is in the public interest

          Excuse me, sir. But what about the scale of taxes, the rich pay less, VAT refunds for exporters, etc.
    5. Paul Siebert 19 January 2020 00: 47 New
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      No adjustment!
      The Russian elite is engaged in clearing the political situation in the country.
      To protect yourself and your property.
      The oligarchic skeleton of the state gains the quality of steel.
      While the excited plebs screams new names of the desired ministers - the true masters of the country continue to steer.
      Well, let's see how it ends. Distribution of elephants in the form of subsidies and increased payments for the Victory Day is a good thing, but short-lived.
      We need understandable, strong-willed steps to create industry.
      Not "Perestroika-2", but "Industrialization-2"
      If there is no understanding in the new government that hypermarkets won’t win, then our future is bleak.
      And no digitalization will help here!
    6. smart ass 19 January 2020 14: 16 New
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      We quickly get rid of bank cards
    7. zenion 19 January 2020 18: 32 New
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      Of course, an increase in welfare, if only the people could stand it.
    8. l7yzo 19 January 2020 19: 49 New
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      They used to say - everything is on a pencil)
      And shas - you are all recorded in the data center and described, everything that you say is recorded and will be used against you)))
      True, one flash in the sun in the direction of the Earth and all transistors will burn out and stretch everything from the hard drives. Here, in theory, Medvedev also signed a law on the mandatory copying of documents on paper (for which he is grateful) - and it is still valid. And he really needs - so that a person can prove - that his hut, that money in his bank, etc. And if it happened that (a virus in the banking system, an e / magnetic storm or tsunami, an attack on the server - and the pipe)
  2. solzh 18 January 2020 05: 07 New
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    Mishustin opposed the abolition of the cannibalistic pension reform, against the introduction of a progressive tax and for tightening financial control over citizens.

    Pension reform needs to be canceled!
    A progressive tax in the current economic condition of Russia should not be introduced. Instead, the tax burden on dividends should be increased.
    Given the inviolability of privatized (stolen from the people) property, the entire financial burden will again fall on Russian citizens who do not belong to the caste of the haves.

    I have one conclusion: a return to the Soviet model of the economy. Only in this way can we raise the economy and industry of our state.
    1. Lexus 18 January 2020 05: 54 New
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      I have one conclusion: a return to the Soviet model of the economy.

      With these "badgers"? Not for that, everything was pulled away and sold.
      Only in this way can we raise the economy and industry of our state.

      None of the "rowers" have set or set such goals. Enough for their descendants up to the fifth generation of profits from the sale of Russian land resources.
    2. Pessimist22 18 January 2020 05: 56 New
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      Please explain to me, if the economy in the USSR was so powerful, why was it covered with a copper basin?
      1. About 2 18 January 2020 06: 13 New
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        Because of the oligarchs of the former party and Soviet bosses who ruined it and then put it at the helm of a borus who brought Vova before leaving
      2. solzh 18 January 2020 06: 14 New
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        Why did you decide that she covered herself? When labeled, they helped her, or rather they pretended that the economy had died. But in reality, we still, in most sectors, live at its expense and thanks to the backlog that was made during the Soviet era.
        1. Pessimist22 18 January 2020 06: 27 New
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          Well, then give an example of a successful planned economy at the moment.
          1. solzh 18 January 2020 06: 38 New
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            I am not interested in what and how there is abroad in terms of economy. They are not interesting to me. Moreover, in my opinion, only the USSR was able to build a real socialist economy.
            1. Squelcher 18 January 2020 08: 55 New
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              "I have not read, but I condemn!"
              Why? So why are you trying to constantly catch up?
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              Quote: solzh
              I am not interested in what and how there is abroad in terms of economy. They are not interesting to me. Moreover, in my opinion, only the USSR was able to build a real socialist economy.

              CCCP printed so much excess money supply that the economy simply covered itself! And it did not begin at all in 80 wink There was a lot of money, but there was nothing to buy! In the USA, such a number only rolls because they smear all the negative consequences of excessive money supply like oil to the whole world!
              And about the prime minister, maybe we just wait and see how it works?
              And then here the most gifted already doused him from head to toe!
              1. Edik 18 January 2020 11: 54 New
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                Quiet minusers, have something to say, feel free to ...
              2. Roman070280 21 January 2020 13: 35 New
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                about the prime minister, maybe we just wait and see how it works?
                And then here the most gifted already doused him from head to toe!


                A somewhat abstract example .. but quite clearly reflecting the situation ..
                You're sitting in a cage .. with the rest of the slaves .. And I go to see it twice a day .. Then a healthy bull with a whip comes in, and according to my (previously given) instruction, it starts to whip you all ..
                And now, after 10 years, suddenly some new bull comes in .. (the old one was either replaced or died .. it doesn’t matter) .. Everyone habitually dodges into the corner, and only you get up and say - maybe we just wait and see how will it work

                PS .. do you really think that Medvedev has been kept close for so many years (and even placed above himself), and at the same time did not notice his work ?? Noticed .. but still kept .. Conclusion - everyone was happy with everything in his "work" !! . And therefore, it is foolish to hope that tomorrow the new minister will throw the whip away and become shoulder to shoulder with the other slaves ..
          2. cradle 18 January 2020 09: 19 New
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            What does China not like?
            1. Victor N 18 January 2020 15: 38 New
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              The fact that you cannot make Russia from China no matter how hard you try.
              1. cradle 20 January 2020 02: 45 New
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                But I wrote, what will we do? We have different roads. And the Chinese are not so good.
            2. smart ass 19 January 2020 14: 45 New
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              I think if the USSR reduced spending on defense, got off the oil needle and allowed private business, maybe the economy of the USSR did not quack
          3. sergo1914 18 January 2020 09: 53 New
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            Quote: Pessimist22
            Well, then give an example of a successful planned economy at the moment.


            You will be surprised, but any large multinational corporation. The little things with these worse.
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              Planning in corporations is. But a “planned economy” is a completely different thing.
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            China
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            Quote: Pessimist22
            Well, then give an example of a successful planned economy at the moment.

            Better give an example where there is no planned economy and indicative planning.
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          Why did you decide that she covered herself? When labeled, they helped her, or rather they pretended that the economy had died.

          But this is not true! After the Kosygin reforms in 1965, the economy began to die, when enterprises were allowed to make part of the countable rubles in cash! Which led it to stagnation and then collapse! drinks
          Quote: solzh
          But in reality, we still, in most sectors, live at its expense and thanks to the backlog that was made during the Soviet era.

          It would be strange if we lived on an American backlog!
      3. Edik 18 January 2020 12: 08 New
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        Please explain to me, if the economy in the USSR was so powerful, why was it covered with a copper basin?

        This is not a convenient question for which you will not get an answer! You see, these people work under communist cover, that is, they are like patriots! But this is not true, they are not patriots, all they want to achieve is the Ukrainian scenario in Russia! For of interest, you can make out the slogans of Ukrainian pan-leguminous, they are one to one, the same
        since the director is the same!
        1. Pessimist22 18 January 2020 13: 24 New
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          Yes, I understand that the question is not convenient, they are not able to understand that socialism and a planned economy is a utopian idea.
          1. solzh 18 January 2020 15: 09 New
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            Quote: Pessimist22
            socialism and a planned economy is a utopian idea.

            And what is the utopianism of socialism?
            In a free and affordable education? In a free and affordable medicine? In the available resorts m holiday homes? Maybe utopianism is that the young specialist was given housing at the plant? Or is it utopianism that a person was sure that he would work in his profession? Or that he was sure of tomorrow? Maybe utopianism is that under socialism all people are brothers, not enemies? Maybe it’s Utopianism that there was no science and great scientists in the USSR? Or utopianism in sports complexes and other circles accessible to people, naturally free? Maybe utopianism is that the USSR did not have imported equipment, as it is now? So this, the lack of imported equipment, does not indicate utopianism, but the absence of economic dependence on the West.
            As for the planned economy ... You will be surprised, but large Western companies all use the planned system.
            So what is utopianism? Probably in a small amount of crime ...
            1. Pessimist22 18 January 2020 15: 19 New
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              Suppose I agree with you, but where is everything that you listed? It has sunk into oblivion, such a system is not viable ...
              1. solzh 18 January 2020 15: 33 New
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                Here it is, as it seems to me in something else ... What exactly? I think that the USSR did not choose the path of reforms correctly. Agree that any political system only lives if it develops along the right path, where timely reforms, both political and economic, are needed. My hunchback, not respected by me, took the wrong path of “reform,” only because of a certain hostility of the Soviet system. I am sure if there would be another person in his place, we would now still live in the USSR and in a fairly successful and prosperous one. I repeat, the Soviet system was artificially “moderated”, although it was very strong and healthy. Just tagged with his team in favor of the west and from his filing, said that the Soviet system is not viable.
                1. Vadim237 18 January 2020 19: 49 New
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                  "I am sure that if another person were in his place, we would now still be living in the USSR and in a fairly successful and prosperous one." It would be the same only blame would not be Gorbachev, but another person.
              2. victor50 19 January 2020 15: 37 New
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                Quote: Pessimist22
                Suppose I agree with you, but where is everything that you listed? It has sunk into oblivion, such a system is not viable ...

                Who said forever? The capitalist RI in 1917 also sank, it seemed, forever. Yes, and even in some places. However, what now? Everything is back. Why is the fact of the fall of the USSR elevated to the rank of an indisputable given?
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                  Quote: victor50
                  Capitalist RI

                  This is a strong expression.
                  Something like white soot. Or sweet salt.
                  Quote: victor50
                  RI in 1917 also sank, it seemed, forever.

                  And what, not forever? Forever.
                  Quote: victor50
                  Everything is back.

                  Nothing came back. Because he cannot return.
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                    Quote: MJ

                    Quote: victor50
                    Capitalist RI

                    This is a strong expression.
                    Something like white soot. Or sweet salt.
                    Quote: victor50
                    RI in 1917 also sank, it seemed, forever.

                    And what, not forever? Forever.
                    Quote: victor50
                    Everything is back.

                    Nothing came back. Because he cannot return.

                    Amazing argument! Because - because!laughing wink
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                nonsense, and you yourself understand this, but do not want to admit your wrong.
            2. Golovan Jack 18 January 2020 15: 33 New
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              Quote: solzh
              Or that he was sure of tomorrow?

              Sometimes so much that he could allow himself to be completely beaten to work ... and what - they wouldn’t fire him, they would put a minimum wage in any way ... why work? belay

              Quote: solzh
              that under socialism all people are brothers, not enemies?

              Do not throw cheap agitation: even under socialism, far from all were “brothers,” and even now, far from all are “enemies”. Need examples? I have them.

              Quote: solzh
              the lack of imported equipment does not indicate utopianism, but the absence of economic dependence on the West

              The problem was that Soviet household equipment (and not only everyday life, by the way ... but there it was most clearly seen) already somewhere in the 70s - 80s lagged behind the western ... forever request

              But in general - socialism of the late USSR model - it was such a greenhouse for indoor plants: they will provide you with light and water. At a minimum. What do you get - they will collect. To the maximum. Strongly grown - cut to not protrude.

              I lived there, I remember everything. No need for agitation, robbed yes
              1. solzh 18 January 2020 15: 39 New
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                Quote: Golovan Jack
                The problem was that Soviet household equipment

                But she was her own. Backward, tube, semiconductor or something else, but its own. We were not dependent on the West. Anyway, this is a very controversial moment, which and whose technique was better.
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                I lived there, I remember everything. No need for agitation, robbed

                I also remember everything and I lived there too.
                1. Golovan Jack 18 January 2020 15: 45 New
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                  Quote: solzh
                  this is a very controversial moment, which and whose technique was better

                  Consumer electronics, for example - Soviet definitely lost.

                  Quote: solzh
                  But she was her own

                  His, of course, does not smell ... but it was not always comforting, and not all.

                  Quote: solzh
                  I also remember everything and I lived there too

                  Well, how many people - so many opinions, it’s clear hi
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                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Consumer electronics, for example - Soviet definitely lost

                    There was no attention, there were no small enterprises under Khrushchev, and the state was engaged in global issues.
                    Here is an example of a Panasonic NV-2000 video recorder since 1975, and our slammy recorder since 1982, the difference is 7 years. The US color TV was 15 years ahead of the USSR, but also France and England.
              2. solzh 18 January 2020 15: 42 New
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                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Do not throw cheap agitation: even in socialism, far from all were “brothers,” and even now, far from all are “enemies.” Need examples? I have them.

                And immediately agitation. This is not propaganda, it is the reality of that time.
                I can give you a bunch of reverse examples. wink
                1. Golovan Jack 18 January 2020 15: 47 New
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                  Quote: solzh
                  This is not propaganda, this is the reality of the time

                  This is a chatter. Well, is there anything to object to? This is the main thing, my friend:

                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  by and large - socialism of the late USSR model - it was such a greenhouse for indoor plants: they will provide you with light and water. At a minimum. What you bring will be collected. To the maximum. Strongly grown - cut to not protrude

                  Is there no? Other things are somehow not even very interesting ...
                  1. solzh 18 January 2020 16: 52 New
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                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Well, is there anything to object to?

                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    by and large - socialism of the late USSR model

                    What does the “late” USSR mean? Could you be a little more specific?
                    Which years are 1990, 1991, 1989 or some other years? If it’s a time of tagging, then what's the point of objecting to a situation that was created artificially?
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Strongly grown - cut to not protrude

                    Yeah, ebn, Kravchuk, Gaidar, Gamsakhurdia and others different there didn’t cut something ... And in general in the late USSR they didn’t cut anyone, they even helped to pop out ... Humpback was trying ...
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    This is a chatter.

                    So be it. I don’t want to arrange a dispute because of this ...
                    hi
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                      Quote: solzh
                      What does the “late” USSR mean? Could you be a little more specific?

                      From the 75th and on, at least. It is fully consistent with my definition. IMHO, essno.

                      Quote: solzh
                      ebn, different there Kravchuk, Gaidar, Gamsakhurdia and others did not cut something ...

                      System failure, yes, there has been. I didn’t talk about that, I explained above, sort of.

                      Actually, that's all. Good luck hi
            3. Edik 18 January 2020 17: 10 New
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              Quote: solzh
              And what is the utopianism of socialism?

              The man did not formulate correctly, he meant the utopianism of communism! Will there be objections? yes
              1. solzh 18 January 2020 17: 46 New
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                There will be objections

                And I’m not going to. I’ll just say this: No one was able to prove the utopianism of communism. No one has proven that the theory of communism is false and absurd.
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                But will there be a rationale for utopianism? laughing
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                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  But will there be a rationale for utopianism?

                  As Sergei correctly noted, communism is a beautiful theory! In practice, no one got there alive! I sympathize with a fair society, but society must first of all correspond to it! It must be highly moral and highly spiritual, which is impossible to achieve at this stage of human development.
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                    Do you need communism tomorrow afternoon? This does not happen; 500 years have passed towards the current state of capitalism. And to capitalism itself, and even more so.
                    1. Edik 19 January 2020 15: 45 New
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                      Do you need communism tomorrow afternoon?

                      I don’t believe in fairy tales! The state system must be superstable! From all risks, both external and internal! The USSR could not stand a century.
                      1. IS-80_RVGK2 19 January 2020 17: 33 New
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                        Ideal systems do not exist. If you are guided by your principles, a person would never have come down from a tree. Give you a stable system right away. Hand face.
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              Especially Japanese companies. And then the manuals release how to work correctly and secretly say that the foundation was taken from the USSR.
        2. naidas 19 January 2020 14: 38 New
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          Quote: Edik
          This is not a convenient question for which you will not get an answer!

          Just a question of this type why after a hot summer, so cold in winter.
          You can start from 1991, from 1985, from 1953, etc., read the memoirs, apart from Andropov, I somehow did not see anyone who wanted to pull the economy of the USSR. But there were already Medunov and Shchelokov who were under Brezhnev’s share.
      4. Vadim237 18 January 2020 19: 45 New
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        Yes, because the Soviet Union put 120 countries on its neck since the 60s, inflated and pumped up the army with arms - an arms race, the plan could not cope with the volume of civilian production in view of the shortage of modern equipment and materials; in the 80s from this policy, the country began to run out of money in the USSR the end of the 80s became bankrupt.
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        Here you are, dear Pessimist22 (Igor), you ask a question with hidden sarcasm (?), pretend (?), or do you really not understand the real reason why the Soviet State was deliberately destroyed ???
        Tell yourself, how do you think, if - “the owner of the machine operates it in full under severe conditions and at increased load, without timely servicing it to change the oil in the engine, in the gearbox, does not monitor the level of brake fluid, does not conduct the current repair and drives on bald tires, and even a neighbor, because of envy, will pour some rubbish into the fuel tank "- how long will such a machine work safely and reliably? I think that such a machine is doomed to a major accident and the "owner" is in great trouble in the form of high costs to compensate the victims, up to imprisonment if he remains alive. Any machine (and especially the state) will be destroyed if it is controlled, such as Gorbach and EBNoid, who acted in their own interests and deliberately destroyed the USSR.
        This analogy is clear, very distant and primitive, indicates that only a very competent, prudent and far-sighted person can lead the State, a Patriot of his country with a capital letter, such as Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin. Thanks to his incredible capacity for work and foresight, his patriotism and talent as a leader, the Soviet state quickly became a powerful world-class power. Bright memory to him !!!
        1. Pessimist22 19 January 2020 04: 26 New
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          Nobody destroyed the USSR, the leaders were mired in corruption, and the planned economy came to a standstill, besides, the lies that the USSR was the best were refuted by clothes and equipment brought from abroad, our people were not stupid and perfectly understood all this masquerade, that's all.
    3. Odysseus 18 January 2020 07: 15 New
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      I have one conclusion: a return to the Soviet model of the economy. Only in this way can we raise the economy and industry of our state.

      This, of course, is true. But there is no need to experience illusions.
      1) This requires a change of power. "Revolution from above" a la perestroika but on the contrary, is impossible. A thief will never voluntarily give back his loot.
      2) Even if it is possible to change power to a power aimed at the interests of the state and people, then it will have to start among the ruins and with very severe external influence .. At a level much lower than now
      3) As a very bad, but very smart Chubais said, “our goal is to create irreversibility.” It is extremely difficult to revive the Soviet model of the economy. It can be based on modern realities, but very difficult. consciousness is "consume here and now" and they are ready for this for everything. What to do with all of them?
      1. bessmertniy 18 January 2020 07: 30 New
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        A new generation of residents appeared, divided into masters and serfs, and under these conditions, the transition to a model similar to the one that was in the USSR is possible only through strong ideological influence. what But with the ideologists we have - the seams. There are no popular politicians who would stand on the positions of socialism. request
        1. Fan-fan 18 January 2020 07: 44 New
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          And you watch the video about the state farm Grudinin, he was able to do a lot for people.
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            Quote: Fan-Fan
            And you watch the video about the state farm Grudinin, he was able to do a lot for people.

            State farm Grudinin - consider it Moscow, he passed the hectare to a shopping center and nothing more needs to be done. I would look at him where the thread is in the outback, what would happen to him.
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              I handed over a hectare to a shopping center and do not need to do anything else.

              Even if was so, then Grudinin makes money for the benefit of people, in contrast to the Secheni, Chemezovs and Timchenko.
              But the bulk of the state farm’s profit comes precisely from the production of agricultural products.
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                But what about the scandals with his collective farmers? Or are you with him for the chief accountant?
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                  Quote: Ros 56
                  But what about the scandals with his collective farmers?

                  Are you talking about that aunt who tried to burn herself to the public? So there is not everything as they say on the box.
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              Quote: Boris55
              handed over a hectare to a shopping center

              Boris rather pressed the shareholders!
      2. solzh 18 January 2020 07: 36 New
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        Tagged came to power from the CPSU. Suppose that a team with pro-Soviet views appears in the current government, which will begin in stages to move on to the Soviet system of the economy. Or a new party will appear, let's call it conditionally Soviet, which will come to power as a result of fair elections. Most likely they can start with the nationalization of natural resources; micro and small businesses will not touch. I will put things in order with education and the banking sector, I can’t model exactly how the banks will act, I don’t have enough knowledge). The oligarchs will try something there, but there is experience on the example of the same Berezovsky, Khodorkovsky.
        Quote: Odyssey
        the main thing now is that most people are instilled with a consciousness of "consume here and now" and they are ready for this for everything.

        Not to everyone, but to many.
        But even with a gradual return to the Soviet system, they will not suffer if politicians and economists do everything wisely and not wave a saber.
        1. bessmertniy 18 January 2020 07: 53 New
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          I believe that betting on renegades in this matter is the last thing. Until a new generation of revolutionaries appears, liberal reformers will reign. hi
        2. Icarus 18 January 2020 09: 54 New
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          Suppose that a team with pro-Soviet views appears in the current government
          - Utopia.
          Or a new party will appear, let's call it conditionally Soviet, which will come to power as a result of fair elections
          Fair elections ??? And in order for the elections to become fair, what is needed first? That the "Soviet party" came to power?
          This organized crime group (elite) will not voluntarily give up power, and do not even rely on semi-fair elections.
          1. Ros 56 18 January 2020 11: 38 New
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            And what is the Soviet party? It’s not whether you mean the Communist Party, because it was never Soviet.
            1. Icarus 18 January 2020 12: 58 New
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              This is not my term "Soviet party", it was used by solzh (Sergey), in the comment above. I realized that this is a conditional game (not yet existing).
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                Quote: Icarus
                I realized that this is a conditional game (not yet existing).

                That's right. There is no such party and most likely will not be. By the Soviet party, I meant a certain conditional party, with communist principles, but not the Communist Party, which, in my opinion, discredited itself from the rejection of socialism.
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          Quote: solzh
          They can probably start with the nationalization of natural resources.

          God forbid, we have such personnel in state-owned enterprises, everything will fall apart.
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        Quote: Odyssey
        This requires a change of power. "Revolution from Above"

        We study the experience of Comrade Stalin, as he conducted the “revolution from above” in 1924, removed the Trotskyists from government and transferred economic affairs to the Council of People's Commissars (Sovnarkom).

        Quote: Odyssey
        then she will have to start among the ruins and with very severe external influences ..

        This is if you go the way "to the bottom, and then", then yes. But there is another way to change power - from below. If the lower classes do not want, then the upper classes cannot. That's why the bourgeois, entering 20 free channels of digital TV (and this is when each of them chokes for a penny), they spent so much money on fooling people that we would not have thought that we didn’t want something there.

        Quote: Odyssey
        It is extremely difficult to revive the Soviet model of the economy.

        The difference between the Soviet and bourgeois economies is the ownership of property and the distribution of income. This issue may well be solved by lawmakers in the working order.

        And by the way, what about the president’s initiative to amend the Constitution. The president has exactly the same legislative initiative as each of the 450 deputies.

        As regards chapters 1, 2 and 9 of the Constitution, only the constitutional assembly has the right to amend them, the law on which the deputies do not want to adopt, they have already tried for the 4th time. Neither the president nor the deputies have the right to amend these chapters.

        ps
        - The president cannot initiate a referendum.
        - The president determines the general direction of the country, and if the Duma appoints a new prime minister, ministers who do not agree with what the president has determined and lead the country in the other direction, what will happen in 1993?
        1. Monster_Fat 18 January 2020 11: 46 New
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          Perestroika? There will be no particular "adjustment". In the person of the "new" prime minister, the government will steer .... Kudrin, and if so, the construction of the "kudrinomika" and the further "tightening of tax-controlled nuts" for the population will continue.
          Everything will be done in order to put citizens and their income-expenses under the full control of the state, in order to remove any "extra" penny from people, deprive them of their economic independence, and make them completely dependent on the "handouts" of the state, which can be get only for "good behavior", the population will continue to be credited to the very "I can not" - thereby depriving him of his will, desire to assert his rights, desire to change, to force them to work thoughtlessly for the owner and the banker, a system will be created and introduced ma total "digital" control of any action of citizens, that is, in the end everything will be done in order to introduce the citizens to the "units", a fully digital controlled state.
          . I will not tire of recalling the basic tenets of “kudrinomiki” so that people understand what kind of economy and what kind of system are being built in Russia and what awaits them in the future:
          "1-banks are primary in the economy, and therefore the main and constant support of the state is to them, 2 — no state property, all state property should be privatized, in order to reduce government spending on managing this property and remove government guarantees to staff as an employer, everything should be shifted to a “private owner”, 3- “direct financing” is harmful — any financing only through credit, credit (loan interest) —basis of the entire financial system, 4 — whether all them "money from the economy and accumulating them abroad for the" convenience "of their" movement ", the development of the economy only through external borrowing and external investments, and through internal, bank loans, 5-wages, payment of any labor should, under any conditions, be maintained at the very minimum level, the lowest level, of all surrounding countries, to ensure the attractiveness of the labor market for entrepreneurs and foreign investors, 6- cutting all social programs to a minimum - citizens should pay for everything themselves, and preferably through a loan, for constant “feeding” of banks, 7-cash should be withdrawn from circulation and the turnover of any penny should be accountable and controlled by the state and must go through banks for the functioning of the banking system, 8- citizens should not have their own - “free” money, any accumulation of money by citizens is unacceptable — money should “work”, that is, be only in banks, so that banks can support and increase their capital at their expense and invest them where they consider fit. In order for citizens not to be able to accumulate money, that is, to become economically independent from banks, employers and the state, it is imperative to set interest on citizens' deposits below the inflation rate, for the gradual "burning" of their money, 9 citizens should be credited to the maximum extent, this is one the parties provides constant replenishment of the banking system and withdraws free money from the pockets of citizens in favor of banks, and on the other hand improves the state's manageability by citizens — a loaned citizen thinks more about how to get money to pay off a loan, and thinks less about something else, also a loaned citizen is more accommodating in the labor market. 10-required free conversion of the ruble through exchanges. 11-no prohibitions on the “export” of capital — capital should have free “movement” precisely abroad — this is one of the principles of the economy’s attractiveness for foreign investment, 12- the Labor Code should be written so that the interests of the employer are primary, the state should fully to withdraw from regulation on the labor market, all regulation should be reduced to an agreement between the employer and the employee, 13- social guarantees to citizens from the state should be minimal, in the future it is necessary IMO they do, withdraw from the jurisdiction of the state, shifting to "private", "charities". 14-pension provision should be reformed so that the share of state payments does not exceed 25%, the remaining amount should be formed by “accumulation funds” and by the pensioner throughout his life — in the future, the state’s participation in pension programs should be completely eliminated, being reduced only to legal support, 15-any "recommendations" of the IMF and international financial regulatory authorities are not discussed, but implemented, because they are the only correct ones and ensure the functioning of the global financial system topics where Russia is embedded, therefore, the interests of the global financial and economic system should prevail on the “internal” interests of Russia, 16- ensure migration attractiveness by attracting as many migrants as possible and removing all kinds of barriers for the arrival of migrants, but only those that cost business and the state as cheaply as possible, to replace the "expensive" domestic labor force, etc. "
          Recently, in power circles, they have been very impressed with China's successes in building a completely state-controlled society and they wanted the same in Russia. Therefore, the heads of the Russian leadership were taken over by the idea of ​​building an “effective state” based on digital technologies and “automation of state management processes based on new digital technologies”. In RIO "Katyusha" this is called the construction of "electronic-digital concentration camps." So the notorious "perestroika" will go exactly in the direction indicated by RIO Katyusha.
          1. Vadim237 18 January 2020 19: 53 New
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            Kudrin remained in the Accounts Chamber and he does not accept any economic programs, only expresses his point of view on them.
            1. Icarus 18 January 2020 20: 29 New
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              Kudrin remained in the Accounts Chamber and does not accept any economic programs; he only expresses his point of view on them
              . Mishustin is a Kudrin man.
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            "Monster_Fat (Yes What Difference) Today, 11: 46
            Perestroika? There will be no particular "adjustment". In the person of the "new" prime minister, the government will steer .... Kudrin, and if so, the construction of the "kudrinomika" and the further "tightening of tax-controlled nuts" for the population will continue.
            Everything will be done in order to put citizens and their income-expenses under the full control of the state ..........
            "
            -------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------

            If everything becomes as you described, then for the sake of what VVPutin "embarked on the path of confrontation with the West." It would be easier for him to come to an agreement with them and fulfill all their requirements and not take a steam bath with the "increase in the birth rate and the fight against poverty."
            I agree with you in a sense that there are some elements in the domestic policy of GDP "kudrinomiki" and further "tightening the tax-controlled nuts" for the population. " But only in terms of increasing tax collection, adhering to financial discipline, building vertically integrated financial and industrial groups (such as Glavkov under I.V. Stalin), and also elementary providing the population with necessary products and goods. And all this is impossible without ensuring the sovereignty of the state, which today must be protected. For this, the military-industrial complex and the Armed Forces are again revived.
            Let's see what will be new in the Constitution, and who will lead the finances and economies in the new government
        2. Victor N 18 January 2020 16: 11 New
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          From the orthodox positions no socialist or social state can be built. Putin has proposed another step towards strengthening the welfare state. For a moment, forget about “scientific communism” and modernity will become clearer to you. Yes, and the past too.
    4. NEXUS 18 January 2020 18: 04 New
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      Quote: solzh
      I have one conclusion: a return to the Soviet model of the economy. Only in this way can we raise the economy and industry of our state.

      The Soviet model also did not justify itself, otherwise the USSR would still have stood to this day. And no one else accepted this model.
      In general, caste in wealth, status, and so on in itself gives rise to discrimination of some, more successful and enterprising over others. It has already been instituted for many hundreds of years. The main Evil that gives rise to these excesses is money that was invented just to control us, farm laborers, because the elites essentially do not need money, since they themselves are the masters of money. As much as they want, they will print as much for themselves.
      They never wondered, why do billionaires have so much money that they multiply every day? They won’t spend it all the same for their life, just like their grandchildren. But then why? 90% of the money supply is located at these very nouveaux riches, and we get crumbs, just so as not to die of hunger and have the illusion freedom and prosperous life.
  3. Nikolaevich I 18 January 2020 05: 22 New
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    Well .... alas, but that's right! Unfortunately, most of the people are “silent”! There is no understanding that “procrastination is like death!” The country has practically no time left! It is necessary to act archy urgently, to actively resist the meannesses of the ruling power (!) ... otherwise, we all are "bullshit" ... and the country too! The people need to give a clear understanding of the goal, give an action plan ... we need leaders, we need “weapons” (not small arms, but “political”!) That is why we urgently need to “look for” means of counteracting the regime, use the already known ones and put them into service! It is necessary to support the opposition in cases where its demands or accusations are true! You need to look for, choose leaders, and for this you need to "look" at the "applicants for their role" ... to analyze their words, deeds, their words and deeds in the past, and the past itself!
    1. Same lech 18 January 2020 05: 25 New
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      It is necessary to act archy urgently, actively resist the meannesses of the ruling power (!) ...

      smile Wait for an answer from the authorities for the urgent calls to act ... knock ... knock ... the FSB guys will knock on your door with an invitation to a preventive conversation.
      1. Nikolaevich I 18 January 2020 06: 14 New
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        I do not urge to take up firearms and, even, I do not urge to throw stones at the authorities and law enforcement agencies! I am for the actions permitted by existing legislation and the constitution! Representatives of the current government love, on occasion, to "emphasize" that it was earlier, any dissent was prosecuted in the USSR ... and "tepericha" means freedom, democracy, pluralism of opinions! Or is totalitarianism in Russia “worse than in the USSR”? And finally ... tired of being "patient"! As they once said, "we are not slaves, slaves are dumb ..."!
        1. demo 18 January 2020 07: 05 New
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          Under the USSR, dissent was prosecuted quite openly.
          All those thinking “against the authorities” were assigned to a medical institution or to places of imprisonment.
          The same story is happening today.
          Only today, dissent is uprooted either by tying an article for theft, organizing a criminal community, abuse of power, or pushing a person out of the country.
          1. Fan-fan 18 January 2020 07: 46 New
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            Or take away the latter, as in Grudinin.
            1. cradle 18 January 2020 09: 25 New
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              Well, what are you rushing about with this Grudinin? Who is he to you? Nedokommunist, a liar ... Why AO state farm. Lenin has not flourished where the thread in Perm? Huh?
    2. AEF
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      " Nikolaevich I (Vladimir) Yesterday, 05:22
      Well .... alas, but that's right! Unfortunately, most of the people are “silent”! There is no understanding that “procrastination is like death!” The country has practically no time left! It is necessary to act archy urgently, actively resist the meannesses of the ruling power (!) ... otherwise, we all are "bullshit" ... and the country too! The people need to give a clear understanding of the goal, to give a plan ........
      "
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      I agree with you all 10000%. And at the expense of the fact that people are inactive and that time is running out. Our people are very passive and there is still a danger that it may turn out like "they wanted it better. But it turned out as always." As some politician says, "a patriotic enthusiast makes a revolution with good goals, and the bastards and scoundrels use the fruits."
      Well, I can’t believe in any way that GDPutin does not understand that any other variant of the state’s economic system, except Socialism, will lead the country to a logical impasse.
      Even the most “brightest capitalist city on the hill” rested on the “ceiling of its development” and already dangled its leg in the abyss, clinging to its arms for those who follow them in an attempt to resist the collapse.
      Because initially, a priori, it is known that the economic system, which is based on loan interest as a means of enrichment, leads to immeasurable spending and depletion of material and raw material resources in order to maintain profit growth, in competition for sales markets. The competition of manufacturers ultimately leads to the emergence of large monopolists, bankers who buy politicians, governments, put their presidents. The strong destroys or absorbs the weak. Gradually, there is a degradation of the entire power system and an increase in the costs of its preservation. As a result, there is no turning back, no one wants to "get off the horse," but "the Mustang cannot stand two" ........ And so on and so on.
      And here, as it were, the idea arises: - .... so it is necessary to make this competition manageable and limit the appetites of monopolies, and to thin out the banking system, enlarge banks, take financial management into government hands .........! That is, the state should intervene and regulate all the "production and financial" processes in order to preserve itself.
      Well, I'm exaggerating so rassusolivat. And why all this crap ????
      The most correct and without a dead end State Economic System - The system created by IV Stalin - Soviet Socialism !!!
      Now detractors criticized here, such as why, then, the USSR fell apart. Such critics are not able to think for themselves, but only repeat what they were driven into the head by opponents of the Soviet Union.
      Khrushchev canceled all the Stalinist decisions of the party and government on the construction and development of the state’s production and economic base, which marked the beginning of the fading of the country's economic power and sovereignty.
      1. Nikolaevich I 19 January 2020 03: 53 New
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        Quote: AEF
        the economic system, which is based on loan interest as a means of enrichment, leads to immeasurable spending and depletion of inventories of material and raw materials in order to maintain profit growth, in competition for sales markets

        Quote: AEF
        Khrushchev canceled all the Stalinist decisions of the party and government on the construction and development of the state’s production and economic base, which marked the beginning of the fading of the country's economic power and sovereignty.

        With both hands "FOR"! good With these words you perfectly expressed the "essence of what is happening" in the world and, in particular, in Russia! Natural resources are being intensively developed (mined) in the country, most of which cannot be used domestically and for the country's needs! These "attempts" are necessary to sell resources "on the side" and get money ... money that cannot be obtained in another "economic way", as a result of a weak economy and impoverishment of the population ... money necessary to maintain the ruling regime of power, and not for the development of the same economy! Moreover, it is “bashfully silent” that in this way there is a robbery of future generations of the nation ... but the ruling regime acts on the principle; "after us, even a flood!"
  4. Ross xnumx 18 January 2020 05: 27 New
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    What does the second restructuring of Putin mean?

    Rebuild is not difficult,
    only here is the trouble:
    "Yes?"
    You can rebuild the face,
    Well, the soul - never!

    Putin did not take the step that would bring his political addiction to the aspirations of the people.
    Shuffling a ministerial deck, lack of a logical explanation for pension reform, an attempt to buy a happy childhood ...
    He would have to wonder why the 30-year period of the reign of the “clan” was marked by the only period of population decline in the country's history, and he “figured out” how to spend 34 from the NWF ...
    It’s really interesting to look at children whose parents work all day, and grandparents pensions of death...
    And with taxes, we are “good”, and everything is in order with work, and people are kind and sympathetic, but somehow it didn’t work out ... The fourth term is running out, but we did not find the bottom ...
  5. Thrifty 18 January 2020 05: 32 New
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    During the hunchback in the USSR there were three stages of “pere” - “perestroika”, “shoot-out”, and for the survivors “roll-call”! How does it say that history does not tolerate subjunctive stress and likes to repeat itself? ??
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    2. bessmertniy 18 January 2020 07: 34 New
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      That's the reform for our politicians and economists - in order to catch fish in troubled waters. People suffer from reforms, but they get fat and get rich. negative
  6. About 2 18 January 2020 06: 09 New
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    Another defamation from Vova and company. The promise of a mountain of results is zero, as always happens to him!
  7. nikvic46 18 January 2020 06: 09 New
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    If we discard emotions, then we will see the following picture. The Council of Ministers dissolves. This is a common practice for all states. If a person has exhausted his ideas, he must leave. Social security. "To every beggar come to the prince's court. There is food, take money .." But it was so long ago. I don’t see the percentage on social programs from the budget. You just need to work, arrange your life.
  8. Chaldon48 18 January 2020 06: 13 New
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    Read the work of Herbert Wells "Russia in the Dark" and much will be clarified.
    1. Van 16 18 January 2020 07: 47 New
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      Herbert of our Wells also has a Time Machine, remember? About Aeloes and Morlocks. That would not come to such a future ...
      1. Chaldon48 18 January 2020 11: 02 New
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        If you keep in mind Russia, it’s unlikely that it will come to mass cannibalism, the mentality is not the same, but mass terror on both sides is also highly undesirable.
        1. Monster_Fat 18 January 2020 12: 07 New
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          If we talk about the article, then the influence of “Khazin” is felt in it ... Do you think if the “siloviki” win, will it be better? Well, then ... I'm afraid that then City-17 will be the future of Russia:

          Something tells me that the times of the "saints of the 90s" and the "time of the Medvedev government" will soon be perceived by most of the population with nostalgia.
  9. parusnik 18 January 2020 06: 50 New
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    Medvedev in this scenario is a candidate for the role of the new president.
    ..... There is no need to hurry with this conclusion ... Options are possible ... And the resignation went beautifully, Medvedev immediately realized that he could not pull the task of providing schoolchildren with hot meals .... laughing I once read that a draft was submitted to the State Duma about allowing a larger number of parties to the elections, the essence of the votes obtained by parties that did not pass 5% was proportionately divided between parties that passed the 5% barrier .. As far as this is true, I can’t say but anything is possible ...
    1. bessmertniy 18 January 2020 07: 55 New
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      And where today to find so many fools to win the election !!! ??? what Do not tell a cat. repeat
      1. parusnik 18 January 2020 12: 39 New
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        But there’s nothing ridiculous .... Russia has registered about 70 parties, let 40 of them be allowed before the election, most of them will not pass the 5% barrier, but the votes will go to those parties that constantly overcome this barrier ... That is ... you don’t want to vote for the EP, the Communist Party, the SR, the Liberal Democratic Party .. please vote for others, but your votes will be returned to those for whom you voted against ...
    2. Fan-fan 18 January 2020 07: 57 New
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      And why were you going to feed only from 1st to 4th grade? What in the 5th or 6th grade is not necessary to eat
      1. Victor N 18 January 2020 16: 25 New
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        You will not please you. Tea, not orphans. However, if you still raise the retirement age, then you can feed before graduation. Here it is necessary to choose: either spend money on the elderly, or on children. Together, there will not be enough able-bodied forces, because, as political economy teaches, they are producers of material assets, and all the rest are dependents.
  10. Odysseus 18 January 2020 06: 56 New
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    The author is inclined to some theatricality, but on the whole everything is written correctly and extremely boldly.
    Within the framework of the existing system, power cannot even afford a virtual castling of individuals (Yeltsin-Putin), Putin simply cannot leave power without losing property, not only his own property, but that of his entire clan. Therefore, we are doomed to an illegal “transfer” .
    His conduct, connected with the rebalancing of the branches of power and the creation of an instance of power "under Putin" in conditions when the state is extremely socially and territorially divided, and the quality of managerial personnel is below any criticism (since their motivation is associated only with generating income), threatens a complete disintegration of management. will push the whole structure and it will collapse.
    But I do not agree with the author in complete pessimism. The dismantling of the post-Soviet mafia power in the Russian Federation is historically inevitable, but the "death of civilization and people" is not at all predetermined.
    "Where danger lurks, opportunity is always hidden"
    1. kjhg 18 January 2020 11: 52 New
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      Quote: Odyssey
      The dismantling of the post-Soviet mafia power in the Russian Federation is historically inevitable, but the "death of civilization and people" is not at all predetermined.
      "Where danger lurks, opportunity is always hidden"

      I think so too. The people of Russia are like a child born in 1990. At first, we didn’t understand anything, how to live on? The old way of life collapsed before our eyes, and we had to create a new way ourselves, whoever can. Not everyone could. Millions died, unable to adapt to a new life, to find their place there. When Putin came to power, we were at "school age." As schoolchildren, we listened with great optimism to all his speeches, promises, plans. Now the people of Russia have become adults, and after the retirement robbery, they have also become realists. Now we can correctly evaluate the existing system, its rulers and masters. When we massively take to the streets of our cities, we will have no illusions, as in the 90s, when we were deceived as babies. Will such a people be doomed to perish because of this? Not at all. Quite the contrary. This will become a new level in development when the people of Russia take their destiny into their own hands.
      The death of Russia is possible if we cannot unite, go out and take our country into our own hands.
      1. Victor N 18 January 2020 16: 31 New
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        You can take it, just then do it? Having lost the owners of the enterprise, they will stand up. Oh, oh, oh .......
    2. NordUral 19 January 2020 00: 31 New
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      I agree with everything, but not with doom, Odysseus.
  11. demo 18 January 2020 06: 58 New
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    Thus, “Perestroika-2” is an attempt by Putin and his entourage to preserve the former system, modernize it somewhat, make it more stable in order to survive the upcoming new wave of global unrest with the development of the scenario of a major war in the Middle East.

    Those. does the author conclude that the internal structure of the state is changing only in conjunction with the “new wave of global unrest, with the development of the scenario of a great war in the Middle East”?
    Strongly twisted.
    And the president’s internal rating drop?
    And the growth of social tension in society?
    And the impoverishment of the population?
    But the robbery of the people by internal and external corporations?
    And the lack of a clear and understandable policy aimed at strengthening the state?
    And the policy of "conciliation and indulgence" to everyone - "from small to large," expressed in rewriting history?
    A.......?
    A couple more thousand "A".

    Author.
    It is necessary to take the presentation of the material more seriously.
    Or abandon ill-conceived and unreasoned statements.

    Not for this Putin started Perestroika 2.
    Those commitments made by the new president’s team in 2000 are far from fulfilled.
    All contracts and obligations (according to knowledgeable people) are signed for 50 years.
    So the guy and his followers have been “hunchbacked on galleys” for another thirty years.
    Well, we live with them and under them.
    If there is no trouble, but internal.
    Which will sweep them to hell.
    That's for this and started moving furniture in a fun house.
    Instead of changing staff.

    The analysis of steps for the last 5-7 tapes suggests the opposite.
    The president is terrified that he will be overwhelmed with either his own or the people.
    He fears the first more than the second.
  12. Doktor vatson 18 January 2020 06: 58 New
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    The recipe is simple ::
    1. Return resources to state ownership;
    2. Return the Central Bank to the state and its obligation to answer for the debts of that state;
    3. To exclude from the legislation articles relating to the limitation period, thereby stopping the temptation itself to violate the law and conduct privatization.

    Only there is no Lenin, but rather Stalin ......
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      Please, don’t need either about Lenin or Stalin. If Stalin had registered here, they would have driven him into the skulls, both of them.
      1. NordUral 19 January 2020 00: 28 New
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        Gardamir! It’s not worth talking for everyone.
  13. New Year day 18 January 2020 07: 06 New
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    Everything to preserve personal and clan power. For the people - everything is still.
  14. g_ae 18 January 2020 07: 09 New
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    The article is archiacal. Only rezulul about the "millennium-old Russian world." There is no Russian world. It was not and with the current and will not be. You review the message. And look at the physiognomy of the sent and the messenger. Comments are redundant. Decay and degradation. What nafig "Russian world" ?!
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      Quote: g_ae
      The article is archiacal. Only rezulul about the "millennium-old Russian world." There is no Russian world. It was not and with the current and will not be. You review the message. And look at the physiognomy of the sent and the messenger. Comments are redundant. Decay and degradation. What nafig "Russian world" ?!


      From the Russian world after 1917, 1941, 1991, really little is left. The remains of it were in the trenches of Donbass 2014-2016go. And in the "physiognomy" on the box it is not. But there are still people of the Russian World.
      1. g_ae 18 January 2020 09: 17 New
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        But who argues. There are still people, but no peace. People and the Indian world in America are. Yes, and about the "millennia" is not worth talking about. This is just as funny as the "protoukry".
  15. 7,62h54 18 January 2020 07: 23 New
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    Promises robbery, nothing more
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  17. Van 16 18 January 2020 07: 43 New
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    Something the word "perestroika" I really do not like ..
  18. Ross xnumx 18 January 2020 07: 53 New
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    Perestroika-2
    Thus, “Perestroika-2” is an attempt by Putin and his entourage to preserve the former system, modernize it somewhat, make it more stable in order to survive the upcoming new wave of global unrest with the development of the scenario of a major war in the Middle East.

    Perestroika - 2
    "Hey, comrade, stop the tantrum! Step on a new rake. We will definitely overtake America, If we catch up with Zimbabwe first," Mayakovsky

    Behind the thick Kremlin walls
    Far from the hustle and bustle
    In a warm office chair
    Putin was pondering the “Duma.”

    Claims among the people of "thousands",
    Evaluation of the economy - "deuce".
    Ratings feel the bottom ...
    The country needs adjustment.

    But how to do it all
    So that the Duma appreciates diligence?
    So that I’m not “borzoi” at all
    I will send a message to them.

    I will describe it in detail
    With numbers and percentages,
    How to give birth conveniently
    With such dividends.

    Add five thousand to the teacher
    For the leadership of the class.
    Young schoolchildren
    Free feed at once.

    Health Protection and Universities -
    Add a bit of finance.
    Clean up the government
    From different foreigners there.

    And to rule forever
    In the form of direct restitution
    Work and change
    Constitutional provisions.

    And proceed immediately
    Without any “crap” - smartly!
    The government of the "hateful" Medvedev
    We change to the government of Mishustin ...

    Invented soon, and right there
    The country began restructuring.
    Stop smearing the snot! ”
    Yes, and howling can you already?

    End your tantrum
    Step on a new rake!
    Catch up with China and America !!!
    If we catch up with Zimbabwe ...
    hi
    1. sgapich 18 January 2020 14: 55 New
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      "Hey, comrade, stop the tantrum! Step on a new rake. We will definitely overtake America, If we catch up with Zimbabwe first," Mayakovsky

      True, during the time of Mayakovsky, the country was called Southern Rhodesia. hi
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        Quote: sgapich
        True, during the time of Mayakovsky, the country was called Southern Rhodesia.

        This epigraph is a replica review with YUOTUBE.
        Even when I taught geography at school (this was after Mayakovsky’s death) it was called Southern Rhodesia ...
        drinks
  19. Gardamir 18 January 2020 07: 54 New
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    Well, firstly, in short, now the preservation of personal power, under the cover of supposedly all according to the law.
    Secondly, we like to call everyone liberals, without hesitation. But Kudrin and Medvedev are on opposite sides of Putin. Relatively speaking, Mishustin, who came, is Kudrin.
    Well, in the third, there is a war of sharing. Up there, they showed each other who the boss was, and I and another 200 people were left with nothing. By the way, the defenders of the current government, this was impossible in the Union.
  20. samarin1969 18 January 2020 08: 50 New
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    All of these "strengthening the role ..." under the Constitution are not obvious to most people. In order to give legitimacy and "popular approval" they are going to hold some kind of "not fully referendum". For the sake of appearance, they threw “gingerbreads” to doctors, teachers, mothers, etc. The people created the image of a single package of promises: “Vote - you won’t get the atom!” It was not scary to promise. Mr. Mishustin then “adjusts” everything through “optimization”, etc. He really knows how.

    ps The peppy look of the President is not yet a guarantee of political stability. The list of domestic "degradations" from Mr. Samsonov has not been invented. And the consequences are already manifested in engineering, intelligence, education and medicine, etc. The Medvedev team can simply “dump”, as Azarov did in time in Ukraine.
    The marker will be a quiet mass sale of large blocks of shares.
    1. NordUral 18 January 2020 13: 11 New
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      The marker will be a quiet mass sale of large blocks of shares.
      Messages flash. that it has already begun quietly. The latter is being privatized, sold over a hill and dumped. One thing is forgotten - Ostap Bender ended badly after crossing the Romanian, I do not remember exactly, border.
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        What the fuck is the hill? Are you completely insane there? Where do you just come from, waist-high wooden. Aren't you tired of repeating the same game year after year? You would at least follow the events. Dump to be cleaned up there?
        1. NordUral 19 January 2020 00: 19 New
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          The information bypasses you, it seems, about how many of them are already there, and I won’t even talk about property. Look for yourself. And reduce your tone, my friend.
      2. Vadim237 19 January 2020 21: 28 New
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        I’m sorry I would not call the stake in six companies 390 billion rubles large, since the cost of each such company is several trillion rubles.
        1. NordUral 19 January 2020 21: 40 New
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          I’m sorry I would not call the stake in six companies 390 billion rubles large sincethe cost of each such company is several trillion rubles.

          Vadim - that's all you said, the very essence.
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            I wrote to you about the cost of a part of the block of shares of six companies - no one will completely sell the company and it is still unknown whether these blocks of shares will be bought at all.
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              And I, Vadim, wrote that they would sell it cheaply, as before.
              And they will not sell it only if the people oppose it. But he seems to be on the drum.
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      They won’t go anywhere because account sanctions were imposed on them in the west and property can now be instantly arrested.
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        Dreaming, though not harmful, but criminal, Vadim. Although you can take what is sick of them.
  21. rocket757 18 January 2020 08: 56 New
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    Conclusion - they hope for the best, who else can / wants it.
    Getting ready for the worst, that’s all who can and who don’t want.
    Anyone have other options ???
    1. NordUral 18 January 2020 13: 10 New
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      Go to the polls and vote headlong. Then we will win. And they will try to prevent the will of the people, that is - we warned you.
      1. rocket757 18 January 2020 16: 00 New
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        Quote: NordUral
        Go to the polls and vote headlong.

        There is nothing to argue about, NECESSARY!
        Quote: NordUral
        Then we will win.

        The question ... is complicated, because many will have different goals, but ONE will win!
        Quote: NordUral
        And they’ll try to interfere with the will of the people,

        The system of present elections can change little, all the more fundamentally.
        The division of the upper power between one or the other ... we choose the less bad, there is NO other.
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          We will win if a team comes with one goal - to raise the country.
          1. rocket757 18 January 2020 16: 38 New
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            "Please announce the entire list?"
            Unfortunately this is not a rhetorical question.
            I don’t want to raise a dispute, especially since this is an eternal topic, at the moment there are NO such.
            1. NordUral 18 January 2020 23: 52 New
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              This is still a big question, but they are trying to unite. I think that will succeed, since the actions of the authorities contribute to understanding the need for consolidation.
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                Quote: NordUral
                This is still a big question, but they are trying to unite. I think that will succeed, since the actions of the authorities contribute to understanding the need for consolidation.

                I do not like making mistakes ... but this is the case when it would be better if I were mistaken!
                Let's wait and see what will happen and how.
                We still do not plan other options.
      2. IS-80_RVGK2 19 January 2020 00: 18 New
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        Just fabulous stupidity. You would be ashamed of carrying such an avatar.
    2. Victor N 18 January 2020 16: 40 New
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      Don’t scare yourself! Everything is as always: rely only on yourself. It is simple and straightforward. No need to fool yourself.
      1. rocket757 18 January 2020 16: 46 New
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        Himself, himself .... in a position for himself, in the end, they never win. With his would stay.
        This is not a fright, it is a statement of fact.
      2. NordUral 19 January 2020 00: 23 New
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        I've been doing this all my life, Victor. And I urge others to do so. That is, to act, and not sit out in the bushes.
        1. rocket757 19 January 2020 06: 10 New
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          Everyone chooses how to behave.
          Someone in the mine to cut a little coal, someone to vote in the stands.
          One thing is for sure, you must go to the polls, even when they are without a choice, like!
          So that I do not forget how to live the life of the country, so that they do not vote for you, and indeed, it would not be superfluous to use the reasoning in the case!
          1. NordUral 19 January 2020 14: 20 New
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            The people do not go, Victor, here are the results. We must vote at least once by all the people, then we will see what and how. And to arrange control on sites hard.
            1. rocket757 19 January 2020 17: 27 New
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              The voter does not go to the polls; this is typical of a developed industrial society. People are fragmented, “wiser” ie educated and do not believe ... much has ceased to believe.
              In Russia, faith in OWN deputies was greatly undermined when they changed the principle of nominating candidates ..... the right was taken away from labor collectives, everything went according to the territorial principle! Then, many things were taken away from the collectives, but they weren’t given to anyone ... The party bureaucracy created a system that practically cut it off from the will of the people!
              This is a natural process! In almost the same way, the system of power SAVES itself.
              1. NordUral 19 January 2020 19: 26 New
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                Life will force, Victor, or to the elections, or to the barricades.
                You can also just stupidly for slaughter, which is now happening.
                1. rocket757 19 January 2020 19: 38 New
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                  Everything has its beginning and end. The period in the gap is not small.
                  Life, of course, will force ... only at the top not all the fools are not literate, they studied history! They know how to smear, stir up so that a person loses landmarks and does not see a bright, correct idea behind the fog.
                  1. NordUral 19 January 2020 19: 56 New
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                    And what, the "tyrant" of Grozny immediately "cruelly tortured" him? Nothing of the kind - "bailed" Metropolitan Cyril and the three eminent boyars. Somehow unlike the “bloody paranoia” that they have been trying to tell us about for so many years. Rather - excessive mercy, which later came back with "Time of Troubles."

                    From one publication, and as reminds the present and recent, for those who are in my age, time.

                    Yes, the upper ones are not stupid.
                    So I still have hope.
                    1. rocket757 19 January 2020 20: 05 New
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                      One reliable thing can not be moved off the ground.
                      We need a systematic, hard work to disperse the fog in general and in the brains of citizens, first of all.
                      1. NordUral 19 January 2020 21: 44 New
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                        What am I talking about, Victor? This is the task of the leaders of the patriotic opposition. Get out of YouTube to a wide open space or go down to the sinful earth and already here convince the unreasonable and lazy.
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                        They go, meet, agitate ... not much, but there is, this is in addition to the Internet information field.
                        BUT, since a lot of communication crawled into the virtual web network, not a single normal public organization, party, movement can be organized! Politics creeps in there ... even drinking bouts can be arranged each at his own table! The accessibility of communication, virtual, separates people more than unites them.
                        Even in bulk, like a young, active, aggressive environment, in fact, when you need to pack up and rub your elbows, it dissolves into ... don’t understand where, like morning fog!
                        About the rest of the people, there’s nothing to say about sales ... until you sneak, while there is nothing to pay for light and the Internet, things will not move from the dead center!
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                        About the rest of the people, there’s nothing to say about sales ... until you sneak, while there is nothing to pay for light and the Internet, things will not move from the dead center!

                        It seems that we are in solidarity with this.
  • antiaircrafter 18 January 2020 09: 02 New
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    this is a continuation of the irremovable power of one person in Russia

    The “changeability” of power is not at all in the traditions of Russia.
    We have kings, that the general secretaries either died at the military post, or were overthrown by force (and also died).
    The ruler must be chosen for life. But at the same time, one should not forget about the natural right of the Russian people to revolt.
    1. Ross xnumx 18 January 2020 14: 24 New
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      Quote: antiaircrafter
      We have kings, that the general secretaries either died at a military post, or overthrown by force (and also dead).

      Khrushchev? HMS? Yeltsin? Putin? Medvedev?
      1. antiaircrafter 18 January 2020 15: 13 New
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        Chirchev

        Really left voluntarily and democratically? Kick in the ass kicked out. truth and gave life.
        HMS

        He didn’t leave himself. He resigned as a result of the collapse of the country.
        The truth is still not dead.
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Yeltsin

        Perhaps the only exception for centuries. But he did not last too long.
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Putin

        Yes, there was a moment of technical transfer of powers in order to circumvent constitutional restrictions. He remained in power and is still there. Let's see how it ends.
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Medvedev

        Temporary Locum Tenens as a result of a conspiracy. What is there to discuss.
  • Livonetc 18 January 2020 09: 04 New
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    Anecdote from the time of the first perestroika.
    What is diarrhea?
    This is when in the stomach perestroika, and in the ass acceleration.
  • AleBors 18 January 2020 09: 20 New
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    All this movement was carried out to raise the rating of GDP, which began to strive for the baseboard. In reality, there will be no changes, the author is right.
    1. Gardamir 18 January 2020 12: 34 New
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      Rating, but not Putin. Wait, Putin, as the leader of the nation, wanted to spit on ratings. Wait, Medvedev, as the interim president, will make the action "Donbass ours." And immediately all rush to vote.
      1. AleBors 18 January 2020 16: 07 New
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        You are confusing something ... Medvedev will not do anything without a team, you yourself know where. And from there, nothing like this will sound. And what, shy to say, Putin, the leader of the nation? By office, yes, the president. But the rest is not. Although after the "message" all the loyal and not very media fight in a brutal orgasm ... And the people, too, in some part of it ..
        1. Gardamir 18 January 2020 17: 45 New
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          The leader of the nation is a new position, although the chairman of the state council may leave
          1. AleBors 18 January 2020 18: 54 New
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            We are still not in Turkmenistan. laughing
            1. Gardamir 18 January 2020 18: 57 New
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              Bear with a little left.
            2. uncle 18 January 2020 19: 03 New
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              Yes?
              And where? In Kazakhstan?
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            The chairman of the State Council is the president himself, and he will be formed by the president himself.
  • pavelpavel 18 January 2020 09: 21 New
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    A complete manipulation of consciousness is carried out. What's wrong? Crimes and perpetrators are not indicated. For example, the loss of honor and dignity Medvedev with his Cabinet, AP and Security Council. The legalization of a serious criminal offense of usury puts them on a par with Gobsen and requires obstruction. You must select a time.
  • 75 Sergey 18 January 2020 09: 31 New
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    Hallelujah! Well, finally they began to understand that GDP is Humpback number 2 and the result will be the same if you sit and look further.
    Oh, sorry Anpilov Viktor Ivanovich died, because Zyuganov is a doll.
    1. Ross xnumx 18 January 2020 14: 28 New
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      Quote: 75Sergey
      Hallelujah! finally

      Hallelujah
      hi
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      Zyuganov is a doll.

      Rag opposition. One hand threatens the oligarchs. the other accepts awards from ... the authorities against which he "resents" ... I will never forgive him 1996 - the year of betrayal of voters ...
      1. 75 Sergey 18 January 2020 14: 33 New
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        It was necessary to support Anpilov, it is a pity there is no person with his energy
  • faterdom 18 January 2020 09: 33 New
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    If you carefully digitize everything, many managerial posts in the state can be replaced by software! with monstrous savings and increased efficiency, when money to fight a fire or flood will not be allocated in December next year through affiliated banks, but within 0,1 ms.
    Alice for the presidency !?
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      AUL 18 January 2020 11: 38 New
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      Come on! So, they pushed computers and databases to all government agencies, and what made them work better or faster? They began to demand less information (although they have all the information in the databases)? Reduced the number of officials? On the contrary, now the number of officials in the Russian Federation is an order of magnitude greater than in the entire USSR, but they did not work better.
      1. Alexey Brylev 18 January 2020 12: 22 New
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        Actually, in a number of institutions it is much better. For example, I like the State Services website - it makes life a lot easier.
        1. NordUral 18 January 2020 13: 06 New
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          And not only to you ..., Alexey Brylev.
    2. Ross xnumx 18 January 2020 14: 30 New
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      Quote: faterdom
      If you carefully digitize everything - many managerial posts in the state can be replaced by software!

      good
      Only this has already been offered:
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      Who will write the algorithms?
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      By the way, on the other hand, the role of the security forces, which cannot be replaced with a "figure," will sharply increase.
  • arlekin 18 January 2020 09: 34 New
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    What does the second restructuring of Putin mean?

    That Putin should no longer be called the guarantor of the Constitution.
    1. Dimy4 18 January 2020 10: 26 New
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      What Putin should no longer be called the guarantor of the Constitution

      Quite the contrary: the Constitution is the guarantor of Putin.
  • Icarus 18 January 2020 10: 33 New
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    One (positive) moment by the author of the article is missed, in my opinion. Thus, the president proposed in the message a very significant restriction for officials at all levels, including judges - a ban on having a document giving the right to reside permanently in another country. And this in particular:
    Selin Vladimir Viktorovich, Director of the Federal Service for Technical and Export Control (has a residence permit in Spain);
    Mishcheryakov Yuri Nikolaevich, deputy of the State Duma (has a residence permit in Spain);
    Gazzaev Valery Georgievich, deputy of the State Duma (has a residence permit in Spain);
    Sysoeva Anna Alekseevna, Assistant to the First Deputy Prime Minister Anton Siluanov (has a residence permit in Spain);
    Maklakov Alexey Vitalyevich, General Director of the Federal Treasury Enterprise Soyuzplodoimport (has permanent residence in Spain);
    Andrei Makarov, chairman of the budget and tax committee of the State Duma of the Russian Federation (holds Spanish citizenship);
    Vladimir Pligin, Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Constitutional Legislation and State Building of the State Duma of IV – VI convocations. Advisor to the Chairman of the State Duma of the Russian Federation. Deputy Chairman of the Commission of the Presidium of the General Council of "United Russia" on international activities. (Has Bulgarian citizenship.);
    Sergey Andenko, ex-deputy chairman of the Legislative Assembly of St. Petersburg. (Has a residence permit in Germany.);
    Olga Golodets, Deputy Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation, has Italian citizenship;
    Sergei Zheleznyak, a deputy of the State Duma and former deputy secretary general of the United Russia, has permanent residence in the UK
    Vladimir Blotsky, a deputy of the State Duma, has British citizenship;
    Andrei Golushko, a deputy of the State Duma, has French citizenship;
    Dmitry Saveliev, a deputy of the State Duma, has British citizenship;
    Rinat Khairov, a deputy of the State Duma, has British citizenship;
    The Governor of the Jewish Autonomous Region Alexander Levintal has Israeli citizenship and Romanian citizenship;
    Member of the Federation Council Boris Nevzorov holds the citizenship of Great Britain and Cyprus;
    Member of the Federation Council Sergei Lisovsky holds French citizenship;
    The head of the LDPR faction in the State Duma, Vladimir Zhirinovsky, has Spanish citizenship;
    State Duma deputy Igor Lebedev (son of Vladimir Zhirinovsky) has Spanish citizenship and permanent residence in Switzerland;
    State Duma deputy Mikhail Berulava has a Czech residence permit;
    State Duma deputy Denis Kravchenko has a residence permit in Greece;
    Nikolai Valuev, a deputy of the State Duma, has permanent residence in Spain.
    1. AUL
      AUL 18 January 2020 12: 54 New
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      They secured the rear. Well, just in case!
    2. NordUral 18 January 2020 13: 05 New
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      Superfood patriots. I want to build a barge.
    3. antiaircrafter 18 January 2020 14: 06 New
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      Well, they would also forbid them to leave.
      Not a single half-drunk warrant officer can leave for the Cote d'Azur.
      And let these sunbathe in domestic resorts.
  • Alexey Brylev 18 January 2020 12: 20 New
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    Wrong forecast. Not taking into account the principle of the phasing of all Putin's actions.
  • seacap 18 January 2020 12: 24 New
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    The authorities are the same people who betrayed, killed a great power, organized its plunder, unprecedented in the history of mankind, built an estate based on lies and crime, hypocrisy, why should they change all this? In fact, in my opinion, an ordinary man in the street, but still with a REAL old-regime education that allows you to add 2 + 2, our (no, of course) leadership, like all the "higher" class of society that they created, destroying a single traditional community of people, more reminiscent of the colonial administration, under the control of the tools of the external neocolonial administration of the Central Bank and the Higher School of Economics, with the leadership of a family of a diligent graduate from Yale school and the rector of the so-called "schools". Destroying the system of science, education and upbringing, i.e. the foundation of everything and any of any state, as well as its development prospects, stamping for several generations of its "advanced consumers" without honor and conscience, deprive us of even the prospects of a decent future life. What did not work out for them in the 41st, is now purposefully and steadily being implemented according to the precepts of a dead and not stupid Pole, everything is done by the hands of Russians and at the expense of Russians, under the control of corrupt morally degenerate and miserable so-called elite (cattle breeding term), there is a deliberate and systematic "sweeping" of the territory of the once powerful empire, that is. "the final solution to the Slavic question," standing for centuries and not being resolved like a bone in their throats. The authorities have no limits to the hypocrisy of these prokhendeys, hiding behind the greatest victories, portraits of our great ancestors who created, defended, abundantly watered the lands and transferred us the power, noisy "dances" on the bones, various grimaces, bashfully covering the Mausoleum and not mentioning the name of the Higher Military Command, try to cover up their squalor and lowland, for this the guarantor's father fought and died on the ice with his fathers and grandfathers who he supposedly be proud of such a future, while dying, they wanted their children in poverty and underdevelopment in the 21st century?
    1. NordUral 18 January 2020 13: 02 New
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      I agree, seacap!
  • Sergej1972 18 January 2020 12: 33 New
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    In my opinion, the author did not quite understand the essence of some of the proposed changes. Municipalities, on the contrary, propose to include state power in a single system. There is no question, at least for now, that the state council will have a special chairman. And it is not clear, the author considers the inviolability of the republican form of government as something bad?
  • Vladimir Mashkov 18 January 2020 12: 38 New
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    The gloomy mood of the author and almost all commentators is striking. I agree, there are many problems. But why so dark? It seems that everyone sees only half an EMPTY glass and cognac stinks of bugs to them ...
  • NordUral 18 January 2020 12: 59 New
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    The rich will continue to grow rich, the poor (most of the people) will go poorer. There will be more billionaires and multimillionaires, they will be even richer.
    This is what it means.
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    Messages flash. that it has already begun quietly.

    Also noticed. hi But so far no swarm of flying superjets over cities has been seen.
  • GenNick 18 January 2020 13: 32 New
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    The rich will continue to grow rich, the poor (most of the people) will go poorer. There will be more billionaires and multimillionaires, they will be even richer.
    This is what it means.

    ,,, ... the living will envy the dead ... '' Stevenson O / S ....
  • GenNick 18 January 2020 13: 35 New
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    One (positive) moment by the author of the article is missed, in my opinion. Thus, the president proposed in the message a very significant restriction for officials at all levels, including judges - a ban on having a document giving the right to reside permanently in another country. And this in particular:
    Selin Vladimir Viktorovich, Director of the Federal Service for Technical and Export Control (has a residence permit in Spain);
    Mishcheryakov Yuri Nikolaevich, deputy of the State Duma (has a residence permit in Spain);
    Gazzaev Valery Georgievich, deputy of the State Duma (has a residence permit in Spain);
    Sysoeva Anna Alekseevna, Assistant to the First Deputy Prime Minister Anton Siluanov (has a residence permit in Spain);
    Maklakov Alexey Vitalyevich, General Director of the Federal Treasury Enterprise Soyuzplodoimport (has permanent residence in Spain);
    Andrei Makarov, chairman of the budget and tax committee of the State Duma of the Russian Federation (holds Spanish citizenship);
    Vladimir Pligin, Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Constitutional Legislation and State Building of the State Duma of IV – VI convocations. Advisor to the Chairman of the State Duma of the Russian Federation. Deputy Chairman of the Commission of the Presidium of the General Council of "United Russia" on international activities. (Has Bulgarian citizenship.);
    Sergey Andenko, ex-deputy chairman of the Legislative Assembly of St. Petersburg. (Has a residence permit in Germany.);
    Olga Golodets, Deputy Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation, has Italian citizenship;
    Sergei Zheleznyak, a deputy of the State Duma and former deputy secretary general of the United Russia, has permanent residence in the UK
    Vladimir Blotsky, a deputy of the State Duma, has British citizenship;
    Andrei Golushko, a deputy of the State Duma, has French citizenship;
    Dmitry Saveliev, a deputy of the State Duma, has British citizenship;
    Rinat Khairov, a deputy of the State Duma, has British citizenship;
    The Governor of the Jewish Autonomous Region Alexander Levintal has Israeli citizenship and Romanian citizenship;
    Member of the Federation Council Boris Nevzorov holds the citizenship of Great Britain and Cyprus;
    Member of the Federation Council Sergei Lisovsky holds French citizenship;
    The head of the LDPR faction in the State Duma, Vladimir Zhirinovsky, has Spanish citizenship;
    State Duma deputy Igor Lebedev (son of Vladimir Zhirinovsky) has Spanish citizenship and permanent residence in Switzerland;
    State Duma deputy Mikhail Berulava has a Czech residence permit;
    State Duma deputy Denis Kravchenko has a residence permit in Greece;
    Nikolai Valuev, a deputy of the State Duma, has permanent residence in Spain.

    Well, I'll give you a parabellum ... / Ilf and Petrov /
    1. Icarus 18 January 2020 20: 50 New
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      No. Not to me parabellum, but to Putin. It is he who wants all the officials to be in the same boat with him and not think, if something happens, rush off over the hill. But here the interests of most citizens and Putin, in my opinion, coincide. By and large, this is all a screen for other changes to the Constitution that he needs, since for these restrictions it is not necessary to introduce any amendments to the Constitution. It is enough to amend the laws: “On public service in the Russian Federation”, “On the status of judges”, etc.
  • 1536 18 January 2020 13: 47 New
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    The crisis of 1989-1993 was associated with the inability of Russia to switch to the V technological mode, the beginning of which is determined approximately from 1971. This way is determined by the introduction into production and social relations of computer equipment and technologies. The Bolsheviks at one time destroyed or did not develop these areas, being content with theoretical developments or the most necessary for managing actions to introduce obsolete computerized systems, robotic systems and, of course, personal computers. By 1989, this crisis had become systemic. The millions of engineers and skilled workers and skilled workers in all spheres of industry, science and agriculture could no longer achieve an increase in labor productivity without using computer technology. And they were not, or they were not introduced, which entailed a catastrophic lag of Soviet industry from the advanced countries of Western Europe and Japan. The USSR could not attract Western technologies, since its extremely inefficient domestic and aggressive foreign policy, sometimes bordering on harming itself to please delusional outdated ideas, did not involve such actions, and Western governments and companies were not eager to create competitors for themselves. In principle, they even had no time to think about it, since the conditions of production and the economy as a whole in those years had changed so rapidly. It was beneficial for them to supply the USSR with pipes and buy raw materials or semi-finished products for their industry, which by the mid-1980s had begun to work in new conditions under the new conditions. The mechanism of socialist management in peacetime did not involve team actions in organizing the development, production and implementation of the necessary equipment and technology. And this determined the failure and lag of the socio-economic foundations of the USSR from the rest of the world. Satisfied with the small, leaving for an indefinite period the transition to a new technological structure. Recall why millions of workers of the USSR then took to the streets of the country's cities, primarily Moscow, Leningrad, Sverdlovsk, Kiev. In words, they were unhappy with the concrete actions of the Soviet state, the CPSU, Gorbachev personally: a total deficit, and in recent years the lack of even the most necessary food products. But in reality, this was a dissatisfaction with the fact that a relatively highly educated society understood that with such a leadership it was only possible to enter the Stone Age or turn into a raw materials appendage of Western countries, all the more so as the understanding began to arise that the West was leaving us for a long time two on a high speed train. The socio-economic foundations of the USSR collapsed, like the collapse of, for example, an old wooden bridge, when its wooden piles, which had been driven in decades ago, were completely rotted.
    However, the worst is poor, but the entry, though now only of Russia, into the V technological mode occurred in the 1990s (for all their inconsistency and confusion of decisions). It has cost our people innumerable sacrifices, millions of unborn children and a new division of society into rich and poor. What is today? The VI technological mode, which is a kind of preparation for the VII, is stepping across the planet, the transition to which will obviously happen by the 50s of the 60st century, since its duration is many times shorter compared to other technological structures. VI way is characterized by a sharp decrease in energy-intensive industries, the development of information technologies that come not only in every home, but cover every person, increased production flexibility, new qualities of products. Russia still fits into it, like that visitor to the former Cherkizovsky market who came to buy a new thing cheaply, but whether she can move on to the new VII way on her own is a big question. And the sore point, since, as before, the introduction of advanced technologies, the development of the latest forms of management, the conduct of promising scientific areas rest against the bureaucratic apparatus, the extremely low educational potential (especially school secondary and secondary, and only then higher), which At one time, it became a determining factor in the lag of the USSR, which began around the beginning of the XNUMXs of the last century and ended with the catastrophic "perestroika" and the death of the USSR.
    In my opinion, today no one wants to chop the branch on which he sits and repeat past mistakes. This is the leitmotif of today.
    1. Altona 18 January 2020 15: 04 New
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      Quote: 1536
      The crisis of 1989-1993 was associated with the inability of Russia to switch to the V technological mode, the beginning of which is determined approximately from 1971. This way is determined by the introduction into production and social relations of computer equipment and technologies.

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      You think sometimes what you write. Soviet-era CNC machines still work, and the mechanics in them are better than today's Chinese. The fact is that the Soviet nomenclature sabotaged the introduction of innovations and there were many reasons for this - the slowness of the state machine, the desire of officials to tighten administration on themselves, the desire to appropriate national property and other reasons of this kind. By 1985, the USSR had a powerful engineering and technical corps and advanced science. There was nothing so complicated in the transition to a new technical structure. You just have to work and think about it, but someone just wanted to reign and cut their loot. Moreover, these ministers, traveling abroad, heard the glorification addressed to them, such as their brains were underestimated and all other flattery.
      1. 1536 18 January 2020 15: 16 New
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        Dear, you need to see the forest behind the trees. And take a closer look at what they were going to comment on.
        1. Altona 18 January 2020 15: 31 New
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          Quote: 1536
          Dear, you need to see the forest behind the trees. And take a closer look at what they were going to comment on.

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          I was in the center of this "forest", in the capital city of Moscow, and I saw what kind of machines stood at VDNKh in 1986, so your lie. And not only saw machines, but much more. The emphasis was on CMEA, because the modern economy works only on a clear division of labor.
          PS CCCP and CMEA stupidly dismantled, although it was possible and necessary to develop them.
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        Soviet-era CNC machines are still working. The factory does not tell me where they are still working, hunting to go and look at them. Serious enterprises do not buy Chinese machines, because it's rubbish.
    2. Campanella 19 January 2020 21: 57 New
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      What is it, such an evolutionary mechanism? Nonsense. The main question is not in the way of life, but in the personnel and the system of state power, for the purposes that society faces, everything else is secondary.
  • ANB
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    Please explain to me, if the economy in the USSR was so powerful, why was it covered with a copper basin?

    Not covered, but covered. The Law on Cooperation, the permission of enterprises to work with cooperatives, the withdrawal of working capital, bankruptcy.
    The planned economy plus the beginning of the rapid development of computer science gave the economy of the USSR and other social countries crazy prospects.
    Therefore, everything was done to stop this.
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    brandy stinks of them bugs.

    What is the name of this brandy? I tried a bunch of brands - not one stinks :)
    1. Vladimir Mashkov 18 January 2020 16: 24 New
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      Well this is an old joke about an optimist and a pessimist! The optimist will crush the bug and joyfully exclaims: "It smells of cognac!" And the pessimist drinks cognac and grumbles: "It stinks with bugs!" Did not know?
  • Altona 18 January 2020 14: 58 New
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    The era of Putin, in principle, came to sunset. An appeal to Fed Sobu is, in a nutshell, handouts to you, I have power after 2024. Otherwise, I’ll arrange a kind of GKChP-2, where power will be usurped through the State Council. In general, sweating and puffing is not necessary, much less enduring. We must actively reject this power, it leaves us only a living wage. Do we need it?
    PS Mikhan and other pseudo-patriots of missiles and tanks that are not in the troops. You too will be squeezed and your children will be washed with bloody tears, because you are drowning for the Millers and Sechins.
    1. Vadim237 19 January 2020 21: 37 New
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      No GKChP will and no one will wash with any bloody tears - stop raving already, and at the expense of Miller and Sechin, after a year or two, they will leave their posts Miller with a high probability after the launch of SP 2.
  • Victor N 18 January 2020 15: 10 New
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    Another fabrication of the political leader: "Everything is gone!" And why not be happy for those who receive help from the state ?! From the SOCIAL state!
    1. Altona 18 January 2020 15: 35 New
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      Quote: Victor N
      Another fabrication of the political leader: "Everything is gone!" And why not be happy for those who receive help from the state ?! From the SOCIAL state!

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      Not help, but a handout from the oligarchic state, which first took workers 5 years each, and then threw a handout to other people from this money. We will rejoice for the person who received the handout, but what awaits the children? So this is your next fabrication of a Sechino-Millerovsky patriot.
    2. Amper 18 January 2020 18: 27 New
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      There is no such thing as a “social state! This is a bourgeois chip, nonsense, an attempt to gloss over verbiage between real labor and capital! Revision of the teachings of Marx-Engels-Lenin! There is capitalism and there is socialism! Either the people have the means of production and all the levers of government, bourgeoisie. In Russia, CAPITALISM is far from the best test, mostly usurious, to say the least (by law it is impossible!).
      1. Victor N 19 January 2020 10: 00 New
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        In your next life, try to avoid dogmatism.
    3. Icarus 18 January 2020 21: 10 New
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      Another fabrication of the political leader: "Everything is gone!" And why not be happy for those who receive help from the state ?! From the SOCIAL state!

      Social state?
      A year ago (from 01.01.2019), the state increased VAT, which, for each Russian citizen who paid into the treasury when consuming goods (work, services), is about 8000 rubles. for 1 year. And now "handouts", per citizen (if we assume that we are 150 million) - 3000 rubles. in year. Normal math? Pension reform 2019 was also very social and caring.
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        VAT has not been increased for everything.
  • 1536 18 January 2020 15: 54 New
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    Dear, you need to see the forest behind the trees. And take a closer look at what they were going to comment on.

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    I was in the center of this "forest", in the capital city of Moscow, and I saw what kind of machines stood at VDNKh in 1986, so your lie. And not only saw machines, but much more. The emphasis was on CMEA, because the modern economy works only on a clear division of labor.

    And I was at the optical-mechanical and helicopter plants at the same time, and even at the factory for the production of sewing machines I had the opportunity to work in the assembly shop. And knowingly I tell you that, firstly, no one denies the achievements of the USSR in the field of technology, primarily military. But at what cost it was given, at what cost, why hundreds of scientific and technological achievements made in the defense industries in other sectors of the national economy were not implemented, what was with the organization of design, with the management of production, with the organization of labor, with trade, agriculture and etc. Secondly, following your thoughts that some people who went abroad are to blame, it’s logical to ask a question: what kind of system was this state-owned, what kind of system is it that is caused by some kind of clumsy and crooks the future of the country and people depended. Yes, dear, the problem is: "advanced production with CNC machines" and the inability of an ordinary Soviet citizen to purchase a car, sewing machine, music center or video recorder of domestic production. And not because there is no money. No. And because all this is not on sale in stores, and if there is, then either "by appointment" two or three years in advance, or from under the floor with overpayment and violation of the criminal code.
    I’m not going to explain anything to you anymore. Better go to VDNH to feel yourself in the center of the "forest" again, and even better in the forest itself ... Success.
    1. Golovan Jack 18 January 2020 15: 57 New
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      Quote: 1536
      no one denies the achievements of the USSR in the field of technology, primarily military. But at what cost it was given, at what cost, why hundreds of scientific and technological achievements made in the defense industries in other sectors of the national economy were not implemented, what was with the organization of design, with the management of production, with the organization of labor, with trade, agriculture and etc

      A plus. One hundred pluses. Also - was, I saw, I know.

      Quote: 1536
      I’m not going to explain anything to you

      You are talking to a bot. Altonia is an anti-system blogger; he himself has said this repeatedly.

      So - again a plus. Yours faithfully hi
  • bandabas 18 January 2020 16: 54 New
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    A state plundered by defective menegar. That says it all.
  • faterdom 18 January 2020 17: 03 New
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    Who will write the algorithms?

    The main thing is that alcoholic rhythms should not be written, such a digital Yeltsin, with its random chaotic solutions. How she liked to say there: "The President has the right to surprise!"
    And everyone lived in a state of constant surprise.
  • depressant 18 January 2020 17: 07 New
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    I would like to add the following.
    I have already said that the showering of people with money, promised by Putin in a message and hardly feasible on the proposed scale (the state will find how to rob the population), has the basis for the dissatisfaction of trade magnates. But merchants are not the only representatives of the second-tier oligarchy. There are also builders. In order to exclude the phenomenon of defrauded real estate investors, a law was passed that charged developers with the need to take loans for a project, rather than starting construction with collecting money from future residents. It is clear that not every developer will be given loans, but only to someone who has a sufficient security deposit and reputation. There were few of them, and since the law affected all developers, many construction projects that had already begun were stopped in accordance with the law. A huge amount of unfinished construction has arisen across the country, developers are pissed, equity holders - even more. And how many more branches of the economy, about the discontent of which we do not know anything, but it certainly is.
    Therefore, it can be assumed that the oligarchs of the second echelon took some steps to consolidate their dissatisfaction with Putin, which is far more dangerous for him than the dull grunts of a long-atomized people. Hence the pseudo-revolution from above, implying the institution of tax cases against each of the entrepreneurs who are disloyal to the president. The need to split the emerging consolidation of the owners of various types of industries that do not belong to large banking capital and the extractive sector, as the sudden emergence of a backup of Putin’s oligarchic enemies and himself, is the true meaning of the changes he proposed, camouflaged by everyone’s inevitable tax liability to the state.
    ... Once, in the 10s, Rogozin called himself the "chain dog of the president", but in fact in the 20s he will be Mishustin.
    1. Amper 18 January 2020 18: 18 New
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      By revolution these political parties call sin. The hotter the boiler, the stronger the explosion! Our People need to be brought to extreme despair so that he remembers, where did Grandfather hide THIS?
  • GenNick 18 January 2020 17: 59 New
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    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
    brandy stinks of them bugs.

    What is the name of this brandy? I tried a bunch of brands - not one stinks :)

    Nonsense ... This bugs stink brandy ...
  • Amper 18 January 2020 18: 13 New
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    Mishustin opposed the abolition of the cannibalistic pension reform, against the introduction of a progressive tax and for tightening financial control over citizens.

    Pension reform needs to be canceled!
    A progressive tax in the current economic condition of Russia should not be introduced. Instead, the tax burden on dividends should be increased.
    Given the inviolability of privatized (stolen from the people) property, the entire financial burden will again fall on Russian citizens who do not belong to the caste of the haves.

    I have one conclusion: a return to the Soviet model of the economy. Only in this way can we raise the economy and industry of our state.

    And figure it out .... Huge funds will be released to start organizing the revival of the Country!
  • Amper 18 January 2020 18: 35 New
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    Putin has always been the henchmen of the Power that received Russia for her ........................ (extinct, censorship). The people and Putin !? This is nothing ................................ (extinct, censorship) by democracy!
    1. Amper 18 January 2020 18: 49 New
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      Yes, it seems people are not against it, but who are you with?
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        Civil position. I appreciated, thank you!
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    without using computer technology. And they were not, or they were not introduced

    Not implemented at all? And what then did I learn to program on in 1986? And there was already a bunch of purely Soviet software. Yes, and the import was stolen. But ento then was not considered theft. :)
    IT just began to develop rapidly in the USSR, there were already Soviet PCs, moreover, integrated with mainframes. A network of points for repair and maintenance.
    1. 1536 18 January 2020 19: 21 New
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      God knows, what did you learn to program on ?!
      On the EU1033 or EU1046, using the languages ​​Cabol or C +, probably. Perhaps they used the Iskra or Robotron, developed Tetris, or something military for special forces. But from Iskra, alas, the flame did not flare up in Russia in 1986. (Unless it turned out to be “abstract installations” of modern artists in the apocalypse style after using a blowtorch, one of which I saw already in the 1990s at the House of Artists on Krymsky Val in Moscow, and in 1991 the country broke out and fell apart).
      It’s a pity, I don’t know your surname, perhaps it appears somewhere among the developers of American and Canadian companies, where hundreds of our programmers went, who thought it was better not to "learn to program" all their lives, but to apply their knowledge to the benefit of themselves and people . But you could work in Russia, if someone thinks that it is not necessary to compile reports on the ministries and take the old “whispers” as co-authors, but create modern information and technology enterprises, where again they do not learn to program, but create this very software , which can still be sold to people for money.
    2. IL-64 19 January 2020 22: 18 New
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      In '86, you could learn to program in BASIC, Fortran, Algol and C ++. But there was still practically no personnel, with the exception of the Bulgarian Pravets. And about a bunch of Soviet software, you don’t need la-la, unless of course you mean the then-text editor you mean, which disappeared safely. And all EUs were programmed differently. Remember how? I can ask about BESM6
      1. ANB
        ANB 20 January 2020 07: 40 New
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        Personnel - EC184x. C ++ in 1986 was not yet. Computers have not yet been sold to private traders and have been done correctly. Domestic only system software - systems of collective access Focus, Primus, Eye. Applied in general was all of ours.
        1. IL-64 22 January 2020 19: 59 New
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          Yes you? Maybe just look at Wiki? About C ++
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            ANB 23 January 2020 01: 15 New
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            Of course, I looked at the wiki. To remember why I was learning just C instead of C ++. And also PL / 1, Fortran, Assembler IBM360 / 370, Rex, JCL, Pascal, Assembler 8086.
            I recommend to see you too. :)
            1. ANB
              ANB 23 January 2020 01: 22 New
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              The C ++ language was released in 1983, but the industrial IDE came to it only in 1990. Therefore, in 1986, almost everyone in the USSR wrote C inu and suffered. By the way, much is still written on it, since it is more reliable than the plus one and the code is more understandable.