The government allocated funds for the construction of the leading icebreaker "Leader"

Project image of the large linear atomic icebreaker of project 10510 "Leader"

The Russian government approved the allocation of funds for the construction of the lead large-scale linear nuclear icebreaker of the new generation of project 10510 code "Leader". The decree was signed by Dmitry Medvedev before announcing his resignation.

The Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation No. 11 “On the implementation of budget investments in the construction of the lead nuclear icebreaker of project 10510“ Leader ”, signed by Medvedev, provides for the allocation of 2020 billion rubles from the federal budget for the construction of the new generation lead icebreaker from 2027 to 127,576979.

As previously reported, the latest Russian icebreakers of the project 10510 "Leader" will be designed for year-round escort of large-tonnage cargo ships along the Northern Sea Route. The construction of all three vessels will be carried out at the Zvezda Far Eastern shipbuilding complex in cooperation with Russian shipbuilders, including the Baltic Shipyard, where universal icebreakers of Project 22220 are being built today. Subcontractors will be engaged in the production of individual components and assemblies.

It is assumed that the construction of the first icebreaker "Leader" will begin in 2020. The laying of the next two icebreakers was planned for 2023, the sources of their financing have not yet been determined.

According to the project, the total displacement of the Leader will be 71,4 thousand tons with a length of 209 meters, a width of 47,7 meters and a height of 20,3 meters. The ship will receive two RITM-400 nuclear reactors with a capacity of 120 megawatts on propellers and a thermal capacity of 315 megawatts each.

According to estimates, the Leader icebreaker will be able to reach speeds of up to 24 knots in clean water and up to 12 knots on ice up to 2 meters thick. The maximum overcome ice thickness is 4 meters. The service life of such an icebreaker is designed for 40 years. The crew is 127 people. The autonomy of the icebreaker in terms of provisions will be 8 months.

The technical project for the atomic icebreaker of project 10510 was released in 2017, the developer is Iceberg Central Design Bureau (Petersburg).

Comments

[Lord of the Sith]

Powerful of course))

[Thrall]

Icebreaker autonomy by stocks of provisions will be 8 months

I'm afraid to even guess how much fuel

[Wolverine]

Quote: Thrall

Icebreaker autonomy by stocks of provisions will be 8 months

I'm afraid to even guess how much fuel

So is it atomic, or do you mean how much vodka will fit into it?

[Hunter 2]

In the picture - just a spaceship Features - Impressive! We will wait for the construction and launching!
Great project! Speedy implementation ...

[Olgovich]

Quote: Hunter 2

In the picture - just a spaceship

I wonder what is the meaning of the "space" tank of the ship

[Dooplet11]

Reducing heat loss and the area where snow can linger?

[Romka]

"Stealth - technologies"

[Dooplet11]

Then it would be chopped like Zamvolt.

[AU Ivanov.]

Why is an icebreaker invisible? On the contrary, it should glow on the radar screens, like the sun

[Chaldon48]

And even better as a New Year tree, then the adversaries, they are "partners" will not "confuse" him with anything!

[AU Ivanov.]

The task of the icebreaker is ice convoy caravans. And the better the icebreaker is visible on the radar screens of the ships being conducted, the better and safer.

[Machito]

Gus will not be superfluous on this box and all sorts of different racquets will not hurt.

[jonht]

For comfortable work of the deck crew, fewer small parts (the same rails and other things in the open air) have less glaciation, therefore less chipping. Yes, and in the wind draft with a good minus, it is also more pleasant to work under protection.
Now all projects for the northern latitudes are such, you can look at fishing trawlers.

[Grits]

Quote: Olgovich

I wonder what is the meaning of the "space" tank of the ship

And I wonder what is hidden under it?

[cost]

The Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation No. 11 “On the implementation of budget investments in the construction of the lead nuclear icebreaker of project 10510“ Leader ”, signed by Medvedev, provides for the allocation of 2020 billion rubles from the federal budget for the construction of the new generation lead icebreaker from 2027 to 127,576979.

Alexey
Here is a curious table

[LMN]

Quote: Wolverine

Quote: Thrall

Icebreaker autonomy by stocks of provisions will be 8 months

I'm afraid to even guess how much fuel

So is it atomic, or do you mean how much vodka will fit into it?

As I understand it, this is a healthy irony
Even in terms of the stock of provisions, the autonomy is 8 (!) Months, and even taking into account the course, which is "unlimited" in comparison with the diesel-electric ...

I was watching a program on German TV with my German neighbor, about tours to the North Pole, on the icebreaker "50 Years of Victory" ...
I say: Look! For years rummaging through the seas, just toss food!
And he told me: Stop. And fuel !?

What is "normal" for us and, as it were, not even an achievement (hello to the liberals ), for most citizens of other countries, even economically developed, this is something incomprehensible and unknowable ..

[Angelo Provolone]

Yes, you first build it. Salvage is allocated to the Star plant. And until recently, all the directors were there. And now unprofessionalism of the enterprise is being added to corruption. They never built it there and didn’t build anything at all. In the best case, ship details were dragged from Korea and welded there. Well, you estimate how much more difficult it is to build an icebreaker than an ordinary ship from finished parts.
In my opinion, this is another giant drank money. I would not want to, but I'm more than sure.

[Grits]

Quote: Angelo Provolone

They never built it there and didn’t build anything at all. In the best case, ship details were dragged from Korea and welded there. Well, you estimate how much more difficult it is to build an icebreaker than an ordinary ship from finished parts.

Yes, indeed, in Bolshoi Kamen mainly engaged in the repair of nuclear submarines. (my uncle works there as a welder). Therefore, there will be problems with the founding of new technologies. There are no specialists. In B. Kamen there is a vocational school, there is a technical school for the training of workers and craftsmen. But this is clearly not enough. In Vladivostok there is a shipbuilding institute of FEFU. But I’m not sure that he graduates specialists for such projects. In the best case, the construction and repair of small warships, fishing trawlers, and seiners. We simply never built anything else in Primorye.

[smile]

Angelo Provolone
Hello.
Tell me, didn’t you feel tired of disgrace with the impossibility of building only the Germans at the Crimean bridge technology? :)))
I'm not joking, are you really not dumb?
Damn, you are so used to lying, saying populist nonsense that you forget that normal people see your lies, see that apocalyptic forecasts do not come true ... and the bridge was built, and Donbass was not leaked anywhere, and our oligarchs are farther, the quieter live, unlike your ... byad, huh?
Sorry again, but your terminology too clearly betrays you as a resident of a neighboring country that is at war with us ... exactly until we came to the war.:)) _)
And at the same time it betrays you as a poor poorly educated Selyuk .....
In Ukraine, there are a lot of literate normal people ... who, understandably, all amicably such as you, despise ..... did you write them all down as enemies, like half-soldiers of point-and-shoots, or did you forgive the presence of a brain for some? :))))
Explain.
Not ..... for us, in principle, it does not matter. what are you talking about here that our shipbuilding is brought "from Korea" (are you a schoolboy, since you operate with such "terms"? :))))) "ship parts" ..... thrill! ... (what such, in your understanding - "details of ships"?) :)))) ... which we are welding here ... even continuing to comment on SUCH nonsense is inconvenient .....
but, still, even information about a really grandiose program to build an icebreaker fleet in Russia should have even reached degenerate in a mental hospital.
No country on the planet has ever built so many and such icebreakers as modern Russia ..... and you continue your sad "drank the dough" ....
tell me - what, your stupid lies really affect the population of Ukraine? Have you really been able to fool your population so much? What does it do?
Yeah, and if you answer, you can find out what your approximate age is .... well, I'm just curious ....
Thank you for your attention, the population of VO carefully read your maxims, appreciated them .... and goodbye.
And local moderators are essentially a bloody gebe. :))) Therefore, sir, thanks to these holy people, they won’t answer what you deserve ..... Such things .... :))))

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: smile

And local moderators are essentially a bloody gebe.

Not all Volodya, but some are overly biased.
Where have you been for a long time? And somehow it became boring without smart opponents, AC Ivanov, Serg65, and you. By the way, Shark disappeared somewhere, did not hear about him?

[smile]

Hello Ingvar 72
, really, long time no see ....
Where did the guys go - I don’t know ....
indeed, it is a pity that there is no shark ...
At me all is simple:
since July 14, I could not write here physically, with rare exceptions ..... it happened ...
then another service, family tryrampararam ...... also had to fight slightly .... :))))
. it happens .... third wife ... it's complicated ...
yeah, but I also managed to go to the reserve ....

.when the left ear ceased to be heard ....- plunged into cold water lightly with all its zoops and yells- as one of my five-year-old acquaintances says .. - and ...... hi ... I haven’t heard anything for six months ... yeah, and the right one passed a little ... in general it was fun :)))))

You’ll laugh, now it seems that the rumor has almost completely recovered ....)))
So it goes.....
Damn, Apollo sorry to tears .....
And yes, the moderators are different, but, as I wrote under Apollo, that’s how I raced ... hey ... ice, but if someone put me in this position, they would kick me out after a day, for cruelty, like Bandera from Auschwitz, because if I have professional duties, then I fulfill them - from and to - starting from the charter of the garrison and guard duty to the preservation of small arms .... Well, moderators of VO are the same, as I understand it ... :)))))
In short, Ingvar 72 .... I do not promise that I will often "oppose" you ... but I will try :)))) since I have made you 2 minuses in the last couple of weeks .... :))))))
You won’t swear? :))) -
And then here the locals often scold - they say, somehow - they instructed the minuses, but wrote nothing ... naive people ... they don’t understand that when someone evaluates their maxims - he has the right to evaluate or answer, but why answer anything if they have already been answered ... so they will be given a plus sign ... :)))
In general, plus-migusiki, well, funny
In general, Dovizennya, as my most numerous relatives say. :))))) Wa heh says less numerous relatives :))))

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: smile

family tryrampararam ..

Yes, over the years it's hard to change something. I have the same second family, so I bred, now there are three (in the first 2 girls). And finally he waited for his son. And then I thought everything, it was not fate for me to extend the race, 4 girls, I thought the fifth girl will be the same. But the changes were hard, family, work - all at once from scratch. But did not swell, pulled out.

Quote: smile

In general, plus-migusiki, well, funny

That is the same to me. Cons ceased to put at all, the point? What is not invested by dad, do not drive with a stick.
According to the situation in the country, there are certainly advantages somewhere, but they do not change the general trend of degradation. If at the top they began to say that the number of poor is growing, the reform of medicine has failed, then not everything is so good in our kingdom-state.
In the provinces, this regression is especially noticeable.
In short, my mood is as before, but not defeatist, but indignant. Mass shootings are urgently needed (by the verdict of the tribunal naturally)
Good luck to Volodya, and remember, God doesn’t ... ak, he loves a dime! It’s me that the three wives are not the limit. There would be strength and desire. By the way, note that the words wife and the price of only one letter are different.

[955535]

After 5000 hours no one canceled the rules of PPU, PTU and auxiliary equipment. So nobody will go for years. Well, at least until they invent more resource-intensive equipment

[bk316]

So he's atomic,

So what?
The claimed autonomy of the rhythm-400 is 5,7 years.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Wolverine

So is it atomic, or do you mean how much vodka will fit into it?

When I worked for the Danes in Greenland, we were entitled to "polar allowance" 0,50 liters per person per day.

[orionvitt]

Quote: tihonmarine

in Greenland, we were entitled to "polar allowance" 0,50 liters per day per person.

Hard to believe. It has long been proven that alcohol in the cold gives only a temporary warming effect. Metabolism is simply boosted and then intense heat dissipation from the body begins. But to freeze to death, when consumed, you can easily. especially in the north. For some reason, at some enterprises in the Russian North, drinking and simply storing alcohol is tantamount to immediate dismissal. Come on shift, and then drink as much as you like.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: orionvitt

Hard to believe. It has long been proven that alcohol in the cold gives only a temporary warming effect.

The businessman who hired us was indifferent to the scientific arguments, our arguments were more interested in him, and especially our work in those conditions for 9 months. And we did not drink in the cold, but in the cabin at normal temperature and with a very good snack.

[orionvitt]

Quote: tihonmarine

The businessman who hired us

So say that you worked not for the Danes, but for a single businessman, who, as you write

scientific arguments were indifferent

That is, everything is on the drum. If encouraged the use of alcohol among the people he employed.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: orionvitt

So say that you worked not for the Danes, but for a single businessman, who, as you write

A Danish company, and in the company businessmen, local natives brought fish, and we froze it. And "awl" and everything else is spelled out in the contract, we fulfill ours, they are ours. And "awl" is polar contentment. What drunkenness, do you think that a young man already considers half a liter of vodka for a fisherman drunkenness?

[orionvitt]

Quote: tihonmarine

What drunkenness, do you think that a young man already considers half a liter of vodka for a fisherman drunkenness?

Well, firstly, far from young. Secondly, are you so showing off, like a man? A real man has other qualities. And I know how to thump (bad business is not tricky), I just try not to advertise it.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: orionvitt

And I know how to thump (bad business is not tricky), I just try not to advertise it.

The old one became, it’s good to remember, now only its 200 grams.

[Dikson]

on nuclear-powered ships, not vodka, they use "awl" there ..)

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Dikson

on nuclear-powered ships not vodka, they use "awl" there.

Shiloh is preferable in any fleet. There is rarely another.

[Spambox]

I dare to suggest that Comrade Tral had in mind the power reserve and operating time before replacing the assemblies in the reactor, and he was mined (

[bk316]

I'm afraid to even guess how much fuel

If the truth is interesting for almost 6 years.

[cost]

The project for the re-equipment of icebreakers provides for the installation of containers with anti-submarine or missile weapons, as well as artillery mounts. Thus, the "Leader" will be able to conduct military operations in the Arctic if necessary.
The Navy’s commander’s chief emphasized that the nuclear-powered ship is being created as a civilian vessel, and the project to install combat modules is still considered as an auxiliary one. It is expected that the military will resort to this opportunity to strengthen the naval group of the Northern Fleet.

[955535]

The reactor campaign is measured not in years but in megawatts per hour or in effective hours - this is the maximum possible time at rated power. For example, loading 1900 MW an hour, reactor capacity 000 MW. Then the reactor campaign is 190 effective hours. True, PPU is not often used at par.

[bk316]

Reactor campaign is measured not in years but in megawatts per hour or in effective hours

Not really. If you write, write for sure.

There really is such a parameter as you write, it is 400 TW / hr for the rhythm 6
But there is also a technological parameter - the time after which the fuel is reloaded regardless of whether the zone has been used up. It is he who determines the autonomy of the reactor installation. For rhythm 400, it is 5,7 years.

Of course, if you are a power engineer from 404 and use non-standard assemblies, you don’t give a damn about this parameter and you will burn the fuel rod all the way But in the Russian Federation they don’t do that.

[955535]

I am a specialist in ship nuclear power plants. You are using the concepts used at nuclear power plants. On ships and ships, the zone operates until it is fully developed (or even more, according to the results of the NFI, taking into account the error of the energy generation counter), or until the zone goes into an unacceptable state according to the results of the RCA. The process of reloading transport reactors is somewhat more labor-intensive and time-consuming than at nuclear power plants.

[bk316]

You are using the concepts used at nuclear power plants.

It is what it is. Honestly, although I know a lot about the rhythm, I only saw the ships of the atom fleet in the pictures. And the fact that on ships it is much more expensive to understand.
But I'm also familiar with the documentation for the rhythm series. The regulations categorically prohibit the operation of the reactor without rebooting the core for more than 6 years, regardless of production. The only exception is if the developer gives permission, but something I doubt that OKBM will do it.

[955535]

Possessing not a lot of information on this topic, you, nevertheless, tried here to argue in an categorical tone. 404th here dragged out of place. The core document on the core is technical specifications and an instruction manual. What is written in them will be. Previously, these documents were stamped, I do not know how now.
And do not worry about OKBM, this organization extends the resources of the active zones for a long time and successfully. It will also be on the Leader, because why do we need such an icebreaker that needs to be put into the factory for reloading after 6 years, which can last several years, depending on the number of related works. This is not a nuclear power plant where fuel assemblies are being pulled out of the zone without taking PPU out of action.

[JD1979]

Quote: Thrall

Icebreaker autonomy by stocks of provisions will be 8 months

I'm afraid to even guess how much fuel

I love such posts)) They, like a litmus test, immediately show people either without humor or without the rudiments of logic and ingenuity)). A total of 26 individuals. It’s interesting how it is to live to adulthood or even a very mature age in 2020 (and there are no children here, not their subject) and never hear, do not read about the fact that the reactor also needs to periodically restart the fuel cells))). And this is at a time when nuclear power is constantly at the hearing, and in the hands of every first telephone with Internet access.

[bk316]

never hear, read, about the fact that the reactor also needs a periodic reboot of the fuel cells)

there are much more ......
And how many of those who absolutely do not understand what AI is
or how vaccinations work.

But they are sure to write their comments first, and if they don’t have time, they like.

[smart ass]

Ktonit will explain why the word linear is present in the name of the icebreaker?

[LMN]

Quote: Clever man

Ktonit will explain why the word linear is present in the name of the icebreaker?

"Battleship", ship of the line.

(battleship), 1) a large three-masted warship of the sailing fleet, which had strong artillery along the sides to destroy enemy ships. In this case, linear tactics were used (with which the name is connected): battleships in battle order followed strictly one after another, without leaving the wake.

Actually we are talking about an icebreaker in our case

[smart ass]

Battleship, if my memory serves me, ship for linear battle

[LMN]

Quote: Clever man

Battleship, if my memory serves me, ship for linear battle

And what is "linear battle" ?!
"In the sailing fleet, the tactics consisted in the formation of a line by ships in which all ships were facing the enemy side. Such a line, for example, was created by ships following each other (in wake formation) and then simultaneously anchored."

How are ships on the NSR?) One after another ..
Those. It used to be a battle tactic, but now it’s a way to get through .. The goals are different, but the principle is the same.

I apologize if I explain clumsily

[Piramidon]

Quote: Clever man

Ktonit will explain why the word linear is present in the name of the icebreaker?

The dictionary has a definition of the word "linear" as

Designed for servicing communication and communication lines. Stepanov listened to the reports of line controllers and agents. = Fishermen, Drivers. = After training, having received the rank of second-class pilot, I was appointed as a linear pilot. I was sent to the Moscow-Irkutsk postal line. = Vodopyanov, the Way of the pilot =.
Dictionary of the Russian language: In 4 volumes / RAS, Institute of Linguistics. research; Ed. A.P. Evgenieva. - 4th ed., Erased. - M .: Rus. language; Printing Resources, 1999

Perhaps he called the linear icebreaker in this sense. After all, he will serve line Northern Sea Route.

[smart ass]

Now this is more like the truth thanks

[Paul Siebert]

Well - at least one good news from the former worthless government!
Our presence in the North will strengthen significantly.
We still prevail there, but with the advent of the "Leaders" our dominance will become overwhelming!

[Trevis]

What a handsome man!

[Mavrikiy]

The name is dumb. Siberia, the Urals, the North are over. It's time to give normal. Stalin or Stalingrad.

[maidan.izrailovich]

It's time to give normal. Stalin or Stalingrad.

So that all sorts of "Greenpeace" and other representatives of the "civilized" West, even to approach it were afraid.

[Thrall]

Sure, rename on the eve of launching

[The leader of the Redskins]

The ship's name "leader", like that ... Unlucky, for our fleet, or something ...

[Mestny]

This project is called "Leader".
The finished ship will have its own name.

[Grits]

Quote: Mestny

This project is called "Leader".
The finished ship will have its own name.

That's just during construction, testing, and then operation, most often the name of the project is clearly assigned to all of these ships. So they will say, for example: "I went to sea in" Leaders ".

[Piramidon]

Quote: Thrall

Sure, rename on the eve of launching

The project will not be renamed, but each ship will be given a proper name. Submarines of project 941 have the code "Akula", but not a single boat of this project with this name is present ("Dmitry Donskoy", "Simbirsk", "Arkhangelsk", "Severstal")

[Aviator_]

It is high time to rename Greenpeace to Greenpenis

[denplot]

The leader is the cipher of the project, the name will be different. I am also for Stalingrad

[Souchastnik]

I am also for Stalingrad

And they will call the first "Vladimir Vladimirovich" the second "Dmitry Anatolyevich", they think about the third.

[smart ass]

Is it better to call Omaha scourge or Okinawa to remind Americans

[Servisinzhener]

Stalin

I am categorically against such a name for an icebreaker! This name should only be carried by the SSBN!

[smaug78]

Some very expensive. Sawing and stuff ...

[Qwertyarion]

It may not be enough.
There, one project documentation is not known how much it will pull.
Expertise, etc.

[carstorm 11]

you look at his performance characteristics again) I also think that the head will go more than laid. he is a healthy kapets. displacement more than Kuznetsov)

[yang174]

I want gelding at the price of viburnum!

[loki565]

Build cheaper who does not give you, or is it difficult on the couch ???)))

[Borz]

The development and protection of Russian northern maritime communications should be a priority. Great news, happy for you, citizens of a neighboring country!

[frizzy]

Behind the signature of Medvedev - will not take off !!!!

[sergo1914]

Quote: frizzy

Behind the signature of Medvedev - will not take off !!!!

If you call "Vladimir Putin" - will take off.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: frizzy

Behind the signature of Medvedev - will not take off !!!!

Okay, at least I did something sensible before leaving, and even there is nothing to remember except the fight with promiles, tobacco and pensioners.

[rocket757]

Futuristic view of the icebreaker!
Well, Russia is a "trendsetter" in this particular segment of shipbuilding in the world.
It's nice to be aware of this.

[Romka]

The trendsetter in this segment is Finland. Most of the icebreaker projects are Finnish, like most of the operated icebreakers, are built in Suomi.

[rocket757]

The obvious. No one calls OUR icebreakers otherwise, although most know which shipyards some of them built on.
Master-master, this is obvious to everyone.

[Grits]

Quote: Romka

Most of the icebreaker projects are Finnish, like most of the operated icebreakers, are built in Suomi.

Built. But not designed.

[prodi]

probably, the greater the mass of the head part crawling onto the ice and splitting it, the better;
in addition, in terms of icing, such a face can also be better

[Grits]

Quote: prodi

in addition, in terms of icing, such a face can also be better

Still a warm hangar for a helicopter and the work of aircraft.

[Ross xnumx]

The Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation signed by Medvedev No. 11 "On the implementation of budgetary investments in the construction of the lead nuclear icebreaker of project 10510" Leader "provides for the allocation from 2020 to 2027 from the federal budget 127,576979 billion for the construction of a new generation lead icebreaker.

Judging by the price there is something super-duper, because the previous 22200 models cost:

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Length: 173,3 m
On September 22, 2017, the Baltic Shipyard - Shipbuilding (BZS, part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation) launched the Siberia icebreaker. This is the first serial nuclear-powered icebreaker of project 22220 with a capacity of 60 MW.
It is noted that in the fall of 2020 the icebreaker will be handed over to the customer.
The contract for the construction of the lead nuclear icebreaker of project 22220 "Arctic" between FSUE "Atomflot" and BZS was signed in August 2012. The cost of the contract is 37 bn. Rub.
The contract for the construction of two serial nuclear icebreakers of project 22220 - Siberia and Ural - was concluded between BZS and Rosatom in May 2014, the contract value was 84,4 bn. Rub.
The length of project 22220 icebreakers, which are being built for Atomflot, is 173,3 m, width - 34 m, draft along the constructive waterline - 10,5 m, minimum working draft - 8,55 m, displacement - 33,54 thousand tons ...
Icebreakers have a two-reactor power plant with the main source of steam from the new generation RITM-200 reactor plant with a capacity of 175 MW, designed for this vessel. The two-draft design of the vessel allows its use both in arctic waters and in the mouths of polar rivers.
The delivery of the lead ("Arctic") and the first and second ("Siberia" and "Ural") serial icebreakers is scheduled for June 2019, November 2020 and November 2021, respectively.
More details: https://www.vestifinance.ru/articles/109204?page=2

[Qwertyarion]

127 billion Rub. This is 46 tons of gold
Damn, this is a lot .... Even very ...

[K-612-O]

And also the money of Rosatom itself, of course there is less, but still. And it’s on the main one, 2 serial ones will cost less.
And Rosatom performs all tasks, as a rule, without shifting to the right.

[St Petrov]

it's only $ 2 billion
nuclear, the size of a 9-storey building, breaking the ice and dictating the will of the Empire

pates $ 0,3 billion

everything in Russia is very budgetary

[Edik]

Quote: ROSS 42

Judging by the price there is something super-duper, because the previous 22200 models cost:

Mark your price in the end! Maybe bargain ..
Look at the power, displacement and length, and then consider it, mathematician

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Edik

Mark your price in the end! Maybe bargain ..

What's the point? I'm just curious how the creation of any ordinary (or unusual) structures, structures, events in Russia ALWAYS immensely grow in price and shift to the right in terms of completion ...

[Edik]

Quote: ROSS 42

I'm just curious how the creation of any ordinary (or unusual) structures, structures, events in Russia ALWAYS immensely grow in price and shift to the right in terms of completion ...

ROSS 42 is your lie! If you were interested, you would have taken and studied this topic! But you are not interested, you are interested in writing about it! But what, where, and why, it’s not yours
Yours is stealing! And that’s all ...

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Edik

you would take and study this topic!

I just do what I take and study ... For example, this information:
DAM President Signs Construction Contract with DCNS French Shipbuilding Corporation two helicopter carriers of the Mistral type for 1 euros ...
And the head of the DAM government signs

Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation No. 11 "On the implementation of budget investments in the construction of the lead nuclear icebreaker of project 10510" Leader "provides for the allocation from the federal budget in the period from 2020 to 2027 127,576979 billion for the construction of a new generation lead icebreaker.

For two overseas Mistral - 1 €
For one domestic “Leader” - 1 825 135 500 €

Anto how, your mother,
Sorry to understand?
We are not storage what,
To raise the troubles!

[Edik]

Oh yo yo How difficult it is with you! You still compare them by weight! No need to compare, not comparable.

[Edik]

Quote: ROSS 42

Ross xnumx

ROSS 42 Well, didn’t get it yet?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Edik

ROSS 42 Well, didn’t get it?

What did you want to convey to me? That three copies of 22200 projects with a length of 179 meters, a displacement of 33 tons and two reactors of 000 MW each civilian use are cheaper than a single product 10510 with a length of 209 meters, a displacement of 71 tons and two nuclear weapons 400 MW?
And I just intended to find out:

Quote: ROSS 42

Judging by the price there is something super-duper

Maybe you know that?
And then let's compare the cost of the Su-35 (for China) and Su-57 (for Russia) ...

[Edik]

I thought it didn’t come!
If you master it, it may come! But I'm not sure

http://www.iceberg.sp.ru/?p=3008

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Edik

If you master it, it may come!

I didn’t drink at the Brudershaft, so poke your partner ...

[Edik]

Quote: ROSS 42

I didn’t drink at the Brudershaft, so poke your partner ...

Yes, I know with whom you are drinking on brudershaft! With Vladimir Putin, and Dmitry Medvedev!
Although I will not write rudeness!

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: ROSS 42

poke your partner

Man, being rude is bad for karma ...

[maidan.izrailovich]

I just do what I take and study ...

And before you study, analyze and draw any logical conclusions, didn’t you try?

For two overseas Mistral - 1 €
For one domestic “Leader” - 1 825 135 500 €

"Leader" is not just a barge with a motor, but a very complicated technique. The reactors alone are worth something. Unique steel grades of domestic production. https://iz.ru/707287/arkadii-sosnov/po-khladostoikim-staliam-my-tochno-vperedi-planety-vsei
And by displacement "Leader" is twice as many "mistrals".
71380 tons for "Leader" versus 32300 tons for "Mistrals".
This high price comes from all this and much more.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: maidan.izrailovich

This high price comes from all this and much more.

I already heard this when they explained the high salaries of State Duma deputies and "effective managers" ...
Thank you for setting the path of truth ... Glory! ... put what you need yourself ...

[Edik]

Quote: ROSS 42

Glory! ... put what you need yourself ...

Glory to the heroes
You i'm sorry disgraced to the fullest! You about Thomas, and you, as always, about Emelya! Is the program jammed? Or do you have such a cunning tactic? Everyone now understands what you think, but then probably sometimes

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Edik

Everyone now understands what you think, but then probably sometimes

Who is this for everyone? Do you want "food"? So I can tell you and people like you that your opinion interests me least of all. Fortunately, there are more thinking people on the site, and they do not bend their backs in front of anyone.
If you like Ukrainian nationalism, this does not mean that I support it and your addiction. Do not continue your pointless "verbal diarrhea". You have already shown your "dullness" and lack of argumentation in your statements.
That I will not give up my words. I did not begin to take the Oath of EBN - I did not consider him the Commander-in-Chief, and I was not mistaken ...
Buy flowers and congratulate DAM on the new appointment, otherwise he will not wait for your congratulations ...

[Edik]

Quote: ROSS 42

Ross xnumx

ROSS 42 but don’t get up in the pose of an insulted intellectual! No one will not believe it! But it’s just ridiculous for you, a person who teaches the president to govern the country, can’t understand simple things! Some dumb slogans written by someone, and the projected court on the resource, here is your inner being! And you yourself are 0.

[Grits]

Quote: ROSS 42

For one domestic “Leader” - 1 825 135 500 €

This is a fee for the development of new technologies, new designs, new mechanisms. For the training of new specialists, for the development of a new large industrial enterprise. The fee is for us to learn how to put such ships on the stream that others cannot. This is better than stupidly giving the French.
It's worth it.

[Dikson]

In general, I agree ... but in particular .. On the one hand, by launching this project in the Far East, we will not only invest in the development of shipbuilding enterprises and attract and train specialists, but we will be able to at least somehow compete or work in cooperation with Korea and China .. Although to their pace we are like the moon ... And to build icebreakers for China is to dig our own grave ...

[carstorm 11]

so this one is almost twice as large even in size

[Piramidon]

Quote: ROSS 42

Judging by the price there is something super-duper, because the previous 22200 models cost:

No need to compare the price of a serial product with the price of a product that still needs to be developed from scratch, build, test, bring to mind ...

[75 Sergey]

But it sounds like - singled out ... I would have subscribed, maybe something else I would have highlighted ...

[L-39NG]

If there is a joint-stock company for escorting ships along the NSR, I will immediately send money to build icebreakers and justify the company. I have already sent it to Canadians and Americans and I am already receiving interest from them. Thank God they are not a "welfare state".

[vadimtt]

Dreaming about whether there will be a CJSC or FSUE in general. Who will give you such a cash cow? Moreover, even all decent div actions for a long time with the Moscow Interbank Currency Exchange are distracted. Left crumbs.

[Paranoid50]

According to the project, the total displacement of the "Leader" will be 71,4 thousand tons with a length of 209 meters, a width of 47,7 meters and a height of 20,3 meters.

The ship will receive two RITM-400 nuclear reactors with a capacity of 120 megawatts on propellers and a thermal capacity of 315 megawatts each.

But. The power is almost twice that of RITM-200 (T / M -175 MW, on the shaft - "only" 30 MW), which are on the Arktika series. To ensure year-round wiring of the same "two hundredths" would require as many as four per body.

[Edik]

Quote: Paranoid50

Power is almost twice that of RITM-200 (T / M -175 MW, on the shaft - "only" 30 MW)

Here is an interesting on this topic:

ALEXANDER RYZHKOV, ICB “ICEBERG”: BASED ON THE EXPERIENCE OF CREATING ATOMIC ICE-BREAKERS WE COME TO A FLOATING LNG POWER UNIT

http://www.iceberg.sp.ru/?p=3008

[Alexey-74]

The project is large and necessary. good luck!!!

[prior]

What actually to discuss, an icebreaker is needed - money was allocated. But why is such a significant amount allocated by the acting government?
So for those transformations in the economy that are planned, the government could not be changed ?!
And all this noisy epic with the resignation of Medvedev is nothing more than the beginning of an election campaign for power for the sake of power.
Transformations for the good of the people, without consulting this very people, are not carried out.
So, there is a lot of noise, and the results will be according to Chernomyrdin: "We wanted the best, but it turned out as always."
Well, the Leader will someday be built ....

[loki565]

Well, yes, it’s better to sit on the couch and throw it on the fan)))

[LMN]

What actually to discuss, an icebreaker is needed - money was allocated. But why is such a significant amount allocated by the acting government?

Funds were allocated, even before the self-withdrawal of the government

[Michman]

I work for the STAR. The key word is sometime. Personally, I can’t even imagine how and when, for certain reasons. But here everyone is already commenting.

[Grits]

Quote: Michman

I work for the STAR. The key word is sometime. Personally, I can’t even imagine how and when, for certain reasons. But here everyone is already commenting.

My relatives work there too. And judging by their information, they would completely agree with you. Everything there is neither shaky nor swell.

[Well done]

Pretty boy! $ 2 billion, 7 years ... But it's worth it. SMP is ours! I wish there were MANPADS and a cannon on it, so that some people would not stick their nose on ours.

[Michman]

It will not be built in 7 years. MSS the building is not even ready at the very first one, the aframax was postponed to March, and then the icebreaker !!!!! I can not say much, but it will stretch for a very long time. From cutting the first metal to the camera to the chassis will take a lot of time.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Michman

He will not

It will be built in cooperation. "Baltiyskiy Zavod" has a share for a reason.

[Michman]

Do you know more than mine ??? we have a workshop for 2 years, there will be no commissioning and installation, and there will be no year 2 !!!! 3 MSS, 11 aframax, a bunch of gas carriers and 2 leaders ..... and the whole plant is a hull workshop and a piece of a slipway.

[Edik]

Quote: Michman

Michman (Gennady)

-

Are there any dates for the construction dates of the lead Leader? According to preliminary estimates, the construction period will be at least 7 years. The icebreaker is large, powerful, so it will take a long time to build it.
How can you evaluate the readiness of the Zvezda shipyard, because the dry dock in which the construction was supposed to be is not ready yet?
Directly construction site for the formation of the building is needed not tomorrow, but after a while. Not earlier than in two years. Therefore, the priority tasks will be the determination of suppliers, the contracting of large-sized equipment, as well as equipment with a long manufacturing cycle. This must be done in the first stages.

http://www.iceberg.sp.ru/?p=3008

[Grits]

Quote: Michman

and the whole plant is a hull workshop and a slipway piece.

Some comrades can simply be advised to start by visiting at least Google Earth. And take a look. They will be surprised that this is not a plant, but one huge construction site. That's when it turns into a factory, then we can talk about the timing of construction.

[Michman]

So they zapped me in the end.

[Orkraider]

Quote: Michman

So they zapped me in the end.

Do not pay attention to those who need, he understood.
From me the pros.
Work at the shipyard, which itself will be commissioned no earlier than 25 years, is a difficult job.

But it is precisely those who are now pulling and working on it, the staff, workers and technicians, who are bit by bit gaining experience and creating the future of this site. And, I hope, a proud future.

[Sadam]

and how many people work for you? when there was a PSRZ in Nakhodka, 20 thousand people back there as a demonstration - 4 draidoks 8 workshops split - piston sleeves for Russian diesel engines were poured into a meter in diameter for floating bases ..... died .... production is about the same size as Korean STX or Hyundai and Afamaks Panamaks there riveted for 9 months from the keel to the descent

[Michman]

So far, 2500, a full staff of about 7 thousand are coming from all over the country, including shift workers. A program of education and training of specialists in Primorye has intensely earned. In many universities and technicians with pheasants, additional departments have been opened, streams, etc. to train their homegrown specialists on the ground. including schools. for example, a son in school 10-11 grade is formed by ODA. Directions. Higher and secondary bias. Then to go on profile training. So-called Rosneft classes. For now ..... we now have 8 pheasant in practice until May. So they are officially employed at the 1st level. 60 thousand, then a diploma / army / hi factory. And it’s 18 years old ..... while it’s hard and with a creak. Then I think everything will work out. While icebreakers are fantastic for us.

[Michman]

I supplement my previous comment. For my son, everything can be according to this scheme easily and simply, but ..... he will be an officer for me as a submariner. And only .... I’m a midshipman of the reserve. And so without problems: the institute and the factory. sensible guys are selected and taught free of charge for the plant. The programma has earned.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Welldone

SMP is ours!

So I know for sure that for almost seventy years no one has applied for the NSR. And no one needed to prove that he was ours. And the appearance of a US submarine in the waters of the Arctic Ocean could be regarded as an act of aggression. Is it possible to build an icebreaker at such a price for the NSR, which, in principle, has not received an assessment of economic profitability and there is no queue of ice-class merchant ships wishing to rush along it MORE IMPORTANT !!! construction of a water conduit to "our Crimea", in which ALREADY !!! has 2 inhabitants?
This is called loss of priorities. Lack of skill in the choice of primary tasks ... And there is also a bridge across the Lena ... A bridge to Sakhalin ... the Far East, which is being successfully mastered by the Chinese "brothers" ... I'm not talking about the Russian Navy ...
Here we have a certain Valentina Matvienko in the Federation Council. For her, for example, the "maternity capital" program is just like the "transplanted" Medvedev project "Leader" ...

[Oleg kubanoid]

it’s not very clear how a star with its huge number of orders will be able to pull out such a project. although on the other hand, if you do not set yourself strong tasks, you will have to stagnate

[Michman]

Here I am talking about the same ...... 45 ships in the portfolio, and the plant will only be built for another 3 years. What kind of ships ???? everything goes with a terrible creak.

[qaz]

127 lard ????? Yes, these are 2 Borei-class nuclear submarines !!!!!!!

[askort154]

qaz .....127 lard ????? Yes, these are 2 Borei-class nuclear submarines !!!!!!!

I am not an economist. But I believe that we do not buy it from another state for 127 lard, but we build it ourselves, using our own "material"! So this money remains in the state, for the salaries of thousands of workers involved in its creation, from ore miners to "painters". Money will leave the state only for what we cannot do ourselves.

[Michman]

From their own ????? they made fun. Even the bolts are also from Romania. And what is not Russian, at least on the tanker and supply vessel.

[Shraik]

Quote: Michman

From their own ????? they made fun. Even the bolts are also from Romania. And what is not Russian, at least on the tanker and supply vessel.

What kind of game is written here? Whose reactor is also Romanian? Whose steel? Whose workers and designers are they? Stop writing nonsense.

[Michman]

Steel is even bought from Arabs. I wrote about tankers and supply vessels. All imported 24-meter hire can not be found by the supplier !!!!!

[Orkraider]

Midshipman.
Good already.

From their own ????? they made fun. Even the bolts are also from Romania. And of which there is no Russian,

If you take the project 22200:
Most of the ship's fittings are Russian, with the exception of (intelligent) Auma drives, conventional drives based on ABS ZEiM. I delivered to the Baltic a large volume of ZRA.
The plant in Gatchina does, if you really have a relationship with the sea - you know it.
Pipelines are all Russian.
Rolled metal products - almost all of Russia, part from Nikopol (but not much, basically a part of a rare assortment).

Do not, so belittle your country ..

[Michman]

I wrote about the icebreaker that the terms are not real. But about the supply for the tankers and the supply it is. Even the welding wire is Hyundai. The bolts are not ours. What does the humiliation have to do with it? What should I argue with you? than to me, what and how is it at the factory. IT WILL NOT BE BUILT EVEN AFTER 10 YEARS !!! I sent this link to many masters. Everyone laughs and says: well, everyone will be deprived of all prizes for 27, for failure to meet deadlines, but Are you here.....

[Orkraider]

The midshipman,
If it’s not about the icebreaker, but about Afromaks, he was wrong, I admit.

According to them, I agree with you that for today, the bow block is welded to the Star with the main part of the tanker built in Korea, and the bow block is assembled from sections that also come from Korea. So in it, bye for todayEverything is really Korean. And it cannot be otherwise, based on the above

But, you must admit, it is immediately impossible to launch a plant, competencies must be developed, and by the completion of the construction of the shipyard there will be both experience and the necessary capacities, and I think the situation will change. It is better to start with a small% of localization and gradually increase the share of the Patriotic War, learn from the best (and Koreans are now leaders) than to get stuck in a long-term construction and disrupt contracts.

I say hello to the Star workers, success!

[Michman]

Thank you for understanding. The duration of the descent of Afra is from December to March. Even from the elementary system of anode protection, sadness. I also wrote above that this is a matter of time, but when and how long? By the 12th Afra building our building should be 65%, and we weld the nose for half a year. I myself am from the Smolensk region. The service brought me to the Far East, then anchor and threw everything with me in Smolensk, but even a NATIVE FATHER, he sees a report on TV and starts arguing with me and proving to me, sometimes, that I am wrong !!! '' This site. from all over the country row workers. all from scratch. and it will take a VERY long time to roll this mechanism. the leader is simply fantastic. at this stage, no one can imagine how this is possible ??? !!! We'll build it somehow 100%, but at what cost and how soon, that's another question ...

[Michman]

I’ll correct you. The nose, bulb, etc., also from Korea, the tanker itself is the same, but the bow block (m / y with the nose and the tanker itself, so to speak) is ours. 2%, but the feed with the car, propeller group and superstructure-ONLY KOREA! We are currently preparing to install аф -shvartnogo u-va and towing on Afra. ALL !!!!!!!!!

[Orkraider]

The midshipman,
I have a similar belief that we can handle and learn. Yes, it will take time and effort and money, but remember the first five-year plans of the young Soviet Republic, it was also hard, they also torn the veins, built with clenched teeth ...

I’m a power engineer, we also have time to the right in fact (almost always), but we finish building and commissioning the blocks, although sometimes it takes 14 hours to work for months.

Once again success, and greetings with a strong shake of labor. You will succeed, and time .. Russians harness for a long time))

It is a pity that many did not understand you, but building ships at the shipyard, which is at the construction stage, is a hell of a job. But it is precisely the people who are working on it now that create the foundation for the future.

[Sadam]

Oh, comrade, you would have worked on that ship in that Ross assembly machine - the one-time refrigerator has expanded, it has contracted a drip. these galvanized pipes for sea water ... I would kill .... on Shanghai Shipyard the same plan was quality 15 years ago - the guys crossed when they took it from the acceptance - right now they pulled the quality up to the standard of shopping malls a lot of brands ... but then China

[dirk182]

no matter how 3 ...

[skif8013]

Handsome, I want to see this without exaggeration, a miracle of technology with my own eyes !!!

[moskit]

It will be just like the Vostochny spaceport. There will be no icebreaker, but the money is over.

[Crane]

It will be just like the Vostochny spaceport. There will be no icebreaker, but the money is over. [[I] [/ i]
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Why not like a bridge?

[sabotage]

According to the calculated data, the icebreaker of the "Leader" project will be able to reach speeds of up to 24 knots in clear water and up to 12 knots on ice up to 2 meters thick. The maximum surmountable ice thickness is 4 meters. The service life of such an icebreaker is calculated for 40 years. The crew is 127 people.

And who with these parameters will need an NSR? The crew of 127 people. This is what kind of caravan of ships must be collected for him to recapture this money? What is the operating cost of this victory of technology over reason?

[Nastia makarova]

it is not built to beat money !!!! turn on your head

[sabotage]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

it is not built to beat money !!!! turn on your head

Well, if it is being built to distribute money from the budget to developers, contractors and operators, then everything is fine.

[Nastia makarova]

It’s being built for the NSR, so that our ships can navigate and sometimes foreign

[ser56]

Quote: sabotage

This is what kind of caravan of ships must be collected for him, so that this money is repelled

as far as I understand it will drive gas carriers, tankers and bulk carriers on the NSR ... and they are large, with a devit for 100t ...

[Servisinzhener]

To evaluate the economic efficiency, it is necessary to consider how much in the cost of transportation tons of cargo will be the services of this icebreaker. And such a monstrous amount divided into 50 years of operation, even taking into account all the repairs, can have a minimal impact on the final price of freight. And be covered by the benefits of a shorter path. Sea transport when transporting long distances of large volumes is more profitable than any other.

[Laksamana besar]

First of all, for year-round piloting of large-capacity tankers and bulk carriers, which now cannot use the Northern Sea Route.

[dirk182]

When I first read destroyer "Leader"and then still icebreaker. Well, okay, this is also a good thing. Not in the pockets, but for the real deal. It's just not clear ... they are going to build in 7 years. And about the aircraft carrier, they said that until 2030. Where and by what forces?

[Mentat]

Quote: Romka

The trendsetter in this segment is Finland. Most of the icebreaker projects are Finnish, like most of the operated icebreakers, are built in Suomi.

Another great connoisseur and tear of the integument.
So why then the USA, Canada, Denmark simply will not order the construction of icebreakers in Suomi, since they, it turns out, are trendsetters?
Why carry this nonsense?

Read, enlighten, tear cover tear sofa:

 Where atomic icebreakers are built

https://zavodfoto.livejournal.com/6059406.html

[2 Level Advisor]

The good news is when they build something!
People, it's just that I'm not in the subject, anyone in the know who needs to be driven along the NSR except "Nornickel", "Gazprom", "Lukoil", "Rosneft", "Rosshelf", Krasnoyarsk Territory, Sakha-Yakutia, Chukotka ". It's just that now there are special queues and during the period when the NSR is open for six months, foreigners are not visible.
And they dealt with the regions even with the union, for the period when the NSR was opened, and no one built super-icebreakers, although I think they could have easily been dealt with if necessary ..
The question of profitability is a slight doubt in the payback. Is the budget mainly incurred for the sake of the above commercial companies? And then they will also be exempt from payment for posting, it is easy with us. And they won’t release them - companies are at most 50% state-owned, that is. we will bring half to ourselves.
My colleagues directly doubt the profitability and, most importantly, of the priority importance for the country of this icebreaker worth half the Crimean bridge or 2 Boreas or 2 Ash trees.
By the way, if I'm right, I think there will not be much delays in its construction

[Michman]

I’m wondering who’s minus. I work at this plant. I’m a harsh installer. And it’s me who saturates these ships with equipment. And I am the one who owns the situation at the plant. And some "hurray patriot" does not like the truth .....

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Michman

I own the situation at the factory

Everything is fine, no need to be nervous, everyone has already understood that the plant is exclusively you.

[Michman]

Of course, I’m not only exclusively one, but one of the 2,5 employees. Moreover, there are 3 employees of ITR and other departments including accounting for one hard worker. I can’t just write, I’ll just say that after 10 years at least, or even more I would definitely know if it was for us to work with equipment. The plant is under construction, it all started from scratch, everything goes with a heavy creak. It will be easier in the future, but the deadlines are not set. Further it will be easier and faster, but until the plant is built, the whole mechanism does not roll back and there will be nothing good in technology. All the deadlines have been fired long ago to the right at the initial stage. What can I say ???

[Galleon]

The width of 47,7 m - just beyond the limits. Displacement is impressive! I wonder why this is done? To make the Crochet channel as wide as possible for the passage of gas tankers?
If anyone is involved in this project, please explain!

[Dikson]

The width was designed for this .. To avoid hitting the canal twice .. Nuclear-powered ships of the current generation already .. first encountered this problem when they tried to navigate the Sevmorput caravan .. And it is wider than icebreakers, and despite the fact that ice class himself, he didn’t climb into the canal pierced by the icebreaker ..

[Galleon]

Looked at all the comments. The comment on how much vodka will get into this icebreaker has the most approvals. I respect and love you and your people, Russia!

[svp67]

"Zvezda" is no longer able to "digest" the number of orders that the government provided for it, and that means now, with the decision to build this "giant" there, and something else, it will have to be abandoned or postponed. And also, if these colossus are now laid there, it means that something "big" for the Russian fleet will not be built there.

[Old26]

Quote: Clever man

Ktonit will explain why the word linear is present in the name of the icebreaker?

There are various types of icebreakers: river, port, raid, etc. Linear icebreakers are designed for ice escort along the route of single ships and caravans of ships, for the delivery of goods to places of the world's oceans that are difficult to access in ice.

Quote: denplot

The leader is the cipher of the project, the name will be different. I am also for Stalingrad

Quote: Mavrikiy

The name is dumb. Siberia, the Urals, the North are over. It's time to give normal. Stalin or Stalingrad.

The probability is zero. Even in the post-war era, icebreakers were most often named after the polar captains, individual coastal cities, or had names associated with geographical names.
More numerous ice-class vessels could have any names. for example, the Pioneer series had the names of pioneer heroes. So it is unlikely that this nuclear-powered ship will bear the name Stalin or Stalingrad. Rather, they can be called "Ermak", in honor of the first icebreaker or "Russia"

[Dikson]

"Ermak" - a diesel electric ship, a Finnish-built icebreaker, a shipyard of Vyartsilya, a sister ship of the Admiral Makarov, "Krasin" series .. worked in the Far East .. I don't know if it's alive now .. "Russia" is a sister ship, an atomic ship from the series " Arctic "(the same one that the first in the history of navigation in 1977 reached the North Pole .. it is also unlikely to be on pins and needles .. - it is of course old already ... but" Yamal ", for example, from the same series, does North Pole..

[Avior]

You are right, with one exception
The first was the icebreaker Lenin.

[Dikson]

Avlor .. Hm .. If you're talking about nuclear-powered ships, then yes, Lenin was the first in the world .. And if in general about our Russian icebreakers, then at first there was Ermak, Krasin and F. Litke's ice cutter ... )))

[Avior]

About atomic of course
If you are already about Ermak, then it would be more correct first- Pilot

[Mordor]

Beauty! Amazingly beautiful and powerful ship. Good luck to the shipbuilders!

[Vadim237]

The heavy icebreaker "Dmitry Anatolyevich" will still float.

[Old26]

Quote: Dikson

"Ermak" - a diesel electric ship, a Finnish-built icebreaker, a shipyard of Vyartsilya, a sister ship of the Admiral Makarov, "Krasin" series .. worked in the Far East .. I don't know if it's alive now .. "Russia" is a sister ship, an atomic ship from the series " Arctic "(the same one that the first in the history of navigation in 1977 reached the North Pole .. it is also unlikely to be on pins and needles .. - it is of course old already ... but" Yamal ", for example, from the same series, does North Pole..

I don’t know about "ermak" either. In 2000 he was transferred from the FESCO and is under the leadership of the administration of the St. Petersburg port. Alive or not - I don't know. But "Russia" is either preparing for disposal, or has already been disposed of. The "name" is free. Of the free names of the first generation nuclear icebreakers, only "Lenin", "Russia" and "Soviet Union". And they are unlikely to be called by the name "Lenin" or "Soviet Union". I'd rather believe in "80 years of Victory"

[Lena Petrova]

Quote: Qwertyarion

127 billion Rub. This is 46 tons of gold
Damn, this is a lot .... Even very ...

What do you choose at the North Pole - 46 tons of gold, or such a machine?

[ljoha_d]

Will be handsome if they build !!!!!!!!!!

[zxc15682]

Well, at least not an aircraft carrier ..

[martin-159]

Neither one nor the other will be.

[cat Rusich]

Project 10510 "Leader" appeared in 2017. It was necessary to start building in 2018. Where can I get money for the 2 (two) remaining "Leaders"? - "three-ruble note of Yanukovych ", as an option - to throw a cry among the civil servants:" Shake the money !!! ", how many clerks in the" money boxes "? - Prime Minister M. Mishustin may well know