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The government allocated funds for the construction of the leading icebreaker "Leader"

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The government allocated funds for the construction of the leading icebreaker "Leader"

Project image of the large linear atomic icebreaker of project 10510 "Leader"


The Russian government approved the allocation of funds for the construction of the lead large-scale linear nuclear icebreaker of the new generation of project 10510 code "Leader". The decree was signed by Dmitry Medvedev before announcing his resignation.

The Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation No. 11 “On the implementation of budget investments in the construction of the lead nuclear icebreaker of project 10510“ Leader ”, signed by Medvedev, provides for the allocation of 2020 billion rubles from the federal budget for the construction of the new generation lead icebreaker from 2027 to 127,576979.

As previously reported, the latest Russian icebreakers of the project 10510 "Leader" will be designed for year-round escort of large-tonnage cargo ships along the Northern Sea Route. The construction of all three vessels will be carried out at the Zvezda Far Eastern shipbuilding complex in cooperation with Russian shipbuilders, including the Baltic Shipyard, where universal icebreakers of Project 22220 are being built today. Subcontractors will be engaged in the production of individual components and assemblies.

It is assumed that the construction of the first icebreaker "Leader" will begin in 2020. The laying of the next two icebreakers was planned for 2023, the sources of their financing have not yet been determined.

According to the project, the total displacement of the Leader will be 71,4 thousand tons with a length of 209 meters, a width of 47,7 meters and a height of 20,3 meters. The ship will receive two RITM-400 nuclear reactors with a capacity of 120 megawatts on propellers and a thermal capacity of 315 megawatts each.

According to estimates, the Leader icebreaker will be able to reach speeds of up to 24 knots in clean water and up to 12 knots on ice up to 2 meters thick. The maximum overcome ice thickness is 4 meters. The service life of such an icebreaker is designed for 40 years. The crew is 127 people. The autonomy of the icebreaker in terms of provisions will be 8 months.

The technical project for the atomic icebreaker of project 10510 was released in 2017, the developer is Iceberg Central Design Bureau (Petersburg).
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  1. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 17 January 2020 12: 13
    32
    Powerful of course))
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 17 January 2020 12: 35
      -18 qualifying.
      Icebreaker autonomy by stocks of provisions will be 8 months

      I'm afraid to even guess how much fuel smile
      1. Wolverine
        Wolverine 17 January 2020 12: 39
        61
        Quote: Thrall
        Icebreaker autonomy by stocks of provisions will be 8 months

        I'm afraid to even guess how much fuel smile


        So is it atomic, or do you mean how much vodka will fit into it? wink
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 17 January 2020 12: 49
          34
          In the picture - just a spaceship good Features - Impressive! We will wait for the construction and launching!
          Great project! Speedy implementation ... yes
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 17 January 2020 13: 00
            0
            Quote: Hunter 2
            In the picture - just a spaceship

            I wonder what is the meaning of the "space" tank of the ship recourse
            1. Dooplet11
              Dooplet11 17 January 2020 13: 16
              20
              Reducing heat loss and the area where snow can linger?
              1. Romka
                Romka 17 January 2020 13: 30
                +2
                "Stealth - technologies" wink
                1. Dooplet11
                  Dooplet11 17 January 2020 13: 32
                  +3
                  Then it would be chopped like Zamvolt. wink
                2. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. 17 January 2020 14: 53
                  +3
                  Why is an icebreaker invisible? On the contrary, it should glow on the radar screens, like the sun
                  1. Chaldon48
                    Chaldon48 18 January 2020 12: 16
                    +2
                    And even better as a New Year tree, then the adversaries, they are "partners" will not "confuse" him with anything!
                    1. AU Ivanov.
                      AU Ivanov. 19 January 2020 10: 06
                      -3
                      The task of the icebreaker is ice convoy caravans. And the better the icebreaker is visible on the radar screens of the ships being conducted, the better and safer.
                3. Machito
                  Machito 18 January 2020 15: 01
                  +1
                  Gus will not be superfluous on this box and all sorts of different racquets will not hurt.
            2. jonht
              jonht 17 January 2020 14: 17
              22
              For comfortable work of the deck crew, fewer small parts (the same rails and other things in the open air) have less glaciation, therefore less chipping. Yes, and in the wind draft with a good minus, it is also more pleasant to work under protection.
              Now all projects for the northern latitudes are such, you can look at fishing trawlers.
            3. Grits
              Grits 18 January 2020 02: 54
              +4
              Quote: Olgovich
              I wonder what is the meaning of the "space" tank of the ship

              And I wonder what is hidden under it?
          2. cost
            cost 17 January 2020 13: 43
            +8
            The Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation No. 11 “On the implementation of budget investments in the construction of the lead nuclear icebreaker of project 10510“ Leader ”, signed by Medvedev, provides for the allocation of 2020 billion rubles from the federal budget for the construction of the new generation lead icebreaker from 2027 to 127,576979.

            Alexey hi
            Here is a curious table
        2. LMN
          LMN 17 January 2020 13: 12
          29
          Quote: Wolverine
          Quote: Thrall
          Icebreaker autonomy by stocks of provisions will be 8 months

          I'm afraid to even guess how much fuel smile


          So is it atomic, or do you mean how much vodka will fit into it? wink

          As I understand it, this is a healthy irony lol
          Even in terms of the stock of provisions, the autonomy is 8 (!) Months, and even taking into account the course, which is "unlimited" in comparison with the diesel-electric ...

          I was watching a program on German TV with my German neighbor, about tours to the North Pole, on the icebreaker "50 Years of Victory" ...
          I say: Look! For years rummaging through the seas, just toss food!
          And he told me: Stop. And fuel !? belay

          What is "normal" for us and, as it were, not even an achievement (hello to the liberals hi ), for most citizens of other countries, even economically developed, this is something incomprehensible and unknowable .. yes
          1. Angelo Provolone
            Angelo Provolone 18 January 2020 02: 13
            -2
            Yes, you first build it. Salvage is allocated to the Star plant. And until recently, all the directors were there. And now unprofessionalism of the enterprise is being added to corruption. They never built it there and didn’t build anything at all. In the best case, ship details were dragged from Korea and welded there. Well, you estimate how much more difficult it is to build an icebreaker than an ordinary ship from finished parts.
            In my opinion, this is another giant drank money. I would not want to, but I'm more than sure.
            1. Grits
              Grits 18 January 2020 03: 06
              +5
              Quote: Angelo Provolone
              They never built it there and didn’t build anything at all. In the best case, ship details were dragged from Korea and welded there. Well, you estimate how much more difficult it is to build an icebreaker than an ordinary ship from finished parts.

              Yes, indeed, in Bolshoi Kamen mainly engaged in the repair of nuclear submarines. (my uncle works there as a welder). Therefore, there will be problems with the founding of new technologies. There are no specialists. In B. Kamen there is a vocational school, there is a technical school for the training of workers and craftsmen. But this is clearly not enough. In Vladivostok there is a shipbuilding institute of FEFU. But I’m not sure that he graduates specialists for such projects. In the best case, the construction and repair of small warships, fishing trawlers, and seiners. We simply never built anything else in Primorye.
            2. smile
              smile 19 January 2020 05: 13
              +4
              Angelo Provolone
              Hello.
              Tell me, didn’t you feel tired of disgrace with the impossibility of building only the Germans at the Crimean bridge technology? :)))
              I'm not joking, are you really not dumb?
              Damn, you are so used to lying, saying populist nonsense that you forget that normal people see your lies, see that apocalyptic forecasts do not come true ... and the bridge was built, and Donbass was not leaked anywhere, and our oligarchs are farther, the quieter live, unlike your ... byad, huh?
              Sorry again, but your terminology too clearly betrays you as a resident of a neighboring country that is at war with us ... exactly until we came to the war.:)) _)
              And at the same time it betrays you as a poor poorly educated Selyuk .....
              In Ukraine, there are a lot of literate normal people ... who, understandably, all amicably such as you, despise ..... did you write them all down as enemies, like half-soldiers of point-and-shoots, or did you forgive the presence of a brain for some? :))))
              Explain.
              Not ..... for us, in principle, it does not matter. what are you talking about here that our shipbuilding is brought "from Korea" (are you a schoolboy, since you operate with such "terms"? :))))) "ship parts" ..... thrill! ... (what such, in your understanding - "details of ships"?) :)))) ... which we are welding here ... even continuing to comment on SUCH nonsense is inconvenient .....
              but, still, even information about a really grandiose program to build an icebreaker fleet in Russia should have even reached degenerate in a mental hospital.
              No country on the planet has ever built so many and such icebreakers as modern Russia ..... and you continue your sad "drank the dough" ....
              tell me - what, your stupid lies really affect the population of Ukraine? Have you really been able to fool your population so much? What does it do?
              Yeah, and if you answer, you can find out what your approximate age is .... well, I'm just curious ....
              Thank you for your attention, the population of VO carefully read your maxims, appreciated them .... and goodbye.
              And local moderators are essentially a bloody gebe. :))) Therefore, sir, thanks to these holy people, they won’t answer what you deserve ..... Such things .... :))))
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 19 January 2020 10: 20
                +2
                Quote: smile
                And local moderators are essentially a bloody gebe.

                Not all Volodya, but some are overly biased. bully
                Where have you been for a long time? And somehow it became boring without smart opponents, AC Ivanov, Serg65, and you. By the way, Shark disappeared somewhere, did not hear about him? hi
                1. smile
                  smile 23 January 2020 01: 15
                  +1
                  Hello Ingvar 72
                  , really, long time no see ....
                  Where did the guys go - I don’t know ....
                  indeed, it is a pity that there is no shark ...
                  At me all is simple:
                  since July 14, I could not write here physically, with rare exceptions ..... it happened ...
                  then another service, family tryrampararam ...... also had to fight slightly .... :))))
                  . it happens .... third wife ... it's complicated ...
                  yeah, but I also managed to go to the reserve ....

                  .when the left ear ceased to be heard ....- plunged into cold water lightly with all its zoops and yells- as one of my five-year-old acquaintances says .. - and ...... hi ... I haven’t heard anything for six months ... yeah, and the right one passed a little ... in general it was fun :)))))

                  You’ll laugh, now it seems that the rumor has almost completely recovered ....)))
                  So it goes.....
                  Damn, Apollo sorry to tears .....
                  And yes, the moderators are different, but, as I wrote under Apollo, that’s how I raced ... hey ... ice, but if someone put me in this position, they would kick me out after a day, for cruelty, like Bandera from Auschwitz, because if I have professional duties, then I fulfill them - from and to - starting from the charter of the garrison and guard duty to the preservation of small arms .... Well, moderators of VO are the same, as I understand it ... :)))))
                  In short, Ingvar 72 .... I do not promise that I will often "oppose" you ... but I will try :)))) since I have made you 2 minuses in the last couple of weeks .... :))))))
                  You won’t swear? :))) -
                  And then here the locals often scold - they say, somehow - they instructed the minuses, but wrote nothing ... naive people ... they don’t understand that when someone evaluates their maxims - he has the right to evaluate or answer, but why answer anything if they have already been answered ... so they will be given a plus sign ... :)))
                  In general, plus-migusiki, well, funny
                  In general, Dovizennya, as my most numerous relatives say. :))))) Wa heh says less numerous relatives :))))
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 23 January 2020 08: 21
                    +2
                    Quote: smile
                    family tryrampararam ..

                    Yes, over the years it's hard to change something. I have the same second family, so I bred, now there are three (in the first 2 girls). And finally he waited for his son. And then I thought everything, it was not fate for me to extend the race, 4 girls, I thought the fifth girl will be the same. But the changes were hard, family, work - all at once from scratch. But did not swell, pulled out.
                    Quote: smile
                    In general, plus-migusiki, well, funny
                    That is the same to me. Cons ceased to put at all, the point? What is not invested by dad, do not drive with a stick.
                    According to the situation in the country, there are certainly advantages somewhere, but they do not change the general trend of degradation. If at the top they began to say that the number of poor is growing, the reform of medicine has failed, then not everything is so good in our kingdom-state.
                    In the provinces, this regression is especially noticeable.
                    In short, my mood is as before, but not defeatist, but indignant. Mass shootings are urgently needed (by the verdict of the tribunal naturally) wassat
                    Good luck to Volodya, and remember, God doesn’t ... ak, he loves a dime! It’s me that the three wives are not the limit. There would be strength and desire. By the way, note that the words wife and the price of only one letter are different. bully
          2. 955535
            955535 18 January 2020 13: 42
            +1
            After 5000 hours no one canceled the rules of PPU, PTU and auxiliary equipment. So nobody will go for years. Well, at least until they invent more resource-intensive equipment
        3. bk316
          bk316 17 January 2020 13: 16
          +4
          So he's atomic,

          So what?
          The claimed autonomy of the rhythm-400 is 5,7 years.
        4. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 17 January 2020 13: 54
          +2
          Quote: Wolverine
          So is it atomic, or do you mean how much vodka will fit into it?

          When I worked for the Danes in Greenland, we were entitled to "polar allowance" 0,50 liters per person per day.
          1. orionvitt
            orionvitt 17 January 2020 15: 33
            14
            Quote: tihonmarine
            in Greenland, we were entitled to "polar allowance" 0,50 liters per day per person.

            Hard to believe. It has long been proven that alcohol in the cold gives only a temporary warming effect. Metabolism is simply boosted and then intense heat dissipation from the body begins. But to freeze to death, when consumed, you can easily. especially in the north. For some reason, at some enterprises in the Russian North, drinking and simply storing alcohol is tantamount to immediate dismissal. Come on shift, and then drink as much as you like.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 17 January 2020 17: 13
              +4
              Quote: orionvitt
              Hard to believe. It has long been proven that alcohol in the cold gives only a temporary warming effect.

              The businessman who hired us was indifferent to the scientific arguments, our arguments were more interested in him, and especially our work in those conditions for 9 months. And we did not drink in the cold, but in the cabin at normal temperature and with a very good snack.
              1. orionvitt
                orionvitt 17 January 2020 19: 16
                +1
                Quote: tihonmarine
                The businessman who hired us

                So say that you worked not for the Danes, but for a single businessman, who, as you write
                scientific arguments were indifferent
                That is, everything is on the drum. If encouraged the use of alcohol among the people he employed.
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 17 January 2020 19: 21
                  +4
                  Quote: orionvitt
                  So say that you worked not for the Danes, but for a single businessman, who, as you write

                  A Danish company, and in the company businessmen, local natives brought fish, and we froze it. And "awl" and everything else is spelled out in the contract, we fulfill ours, they are ours. And "awl" is polar contentment. What drunkenness, do you think that a young man already considers half a liter of vodka for a fisherman drunkenness?
                  1. orionvitt
                    orionvitt 18 January 2020 14: 56
                    +3
                    Quote: tihonmarine
                    What drunkenness, do you think that a young man already considers half a liter of vodka for a fisherman drunkenness?

                    Well, firstly, far from young. Secondly, are you so showing off, like a man? A real man has other qualities. And I know how to thump (bad business is not tricky), I just try not to advertise it.
                    1. tihonmarine
                      tihonmarine 18 January 2020 15: 00
                      0
                      Quote: orionvitt
                      And I know how to thump (bad business is not tricky), I just try not to advertise it.

                      The old one became, it’s good to remember, now only its 200 grams.
        5. Dikson
          Dikson 17 January 2020 18: 31
          +2
          on nuclear-powered ships, not vodka, they use "awl" there ..)
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 18 January 2020 15: 02
            -1
            Quote: Dikson
            on nuclear-powered ships not vodka, they use "awl" there.

            Shiloh is preferable in any fleet. There is rarely another.
        6. Spambox
          Spambox 18 January 2020 00: 02
          +1
          I dare to suggest that Comrade Tral had in mind the power reserve and operating time before replacing the assemblies in the reactor, and he was mined (
      2. bk316
        bk316 17 January 2020 13: 15
        +5
        I'm afraid to even guess how much fuel

        If the truth is interesting for almost 6 years. laughing
        1. cost
          cost 17 January 2020 13: 41
          15
          The project for the re-equipment of icebreakers provides for the installation of containers with anti-submarine or missile weapons, as well as artillery mounts. Thus, the "Leader" will be able to conduct military operations in the Arctic if necessary.
          The Navy’s commander’s chief emphasized that the nuclear-powered ship is being created as a civilian vessel, and the project to install combat modules is still considered as an auxiliary one. It is expected that the military will resort to this opportunity to strengthen the naval group of the Northern Fleet.
        2. 955535
          955535 18 January 2020 13: 48
          0
          The reactor campaign is measured not in years but in megawatts per hour or in effective hours - this is the maximum possible time at rated power. For example, loading 1900 MW an hour, reactor capacity 000 MW. Then the reactor campaign is 190 effective hours. True, PPU is not often used at par.
          1. bk316
            bk316 18 January 2020 16: 20
            +1
            Reactor campaign is measured not in years but in megawatts per hour or in effective hours

            Not really. If you write, write for sure.

            There really is such a parameter as you write, it is 400 TW / hr for the rhythm 6
            But there is also a technological parameter - the time after which the fuel is reloaded regardless of whether the zone has been used up. It is he who determines the autonomy of the reactor installation. For rhythm 400, it is 5,7 years.

            Of course, if you are a power engineer from 404 and use non-standard assemblies, you don’t give a damn about this parameter and you will burn the fuel rod all the way laughing But in the Russian Federation they don’t do that.
            1. 955535
              955535 18 January 2020 16: 36
              +1
              I am a specialist in ship nuclear power plants. You are using the concepts used at nuclear power plants. On ships and ships, the zone operates until it is fully developed (or even more, according to the results of the NFI, taking into account the error of the energy generation counter), or until the zone goes into an unacceptable state according to the results of the RCA. The process of reloading transport reactors is somewhat more labor-intensive and time-consuming than at nuclear power plants.
              1. bk316
                bk316 19 January 2020 19: 22
                0
                You are using the concepts used at nuclear power plants.

                It is what it is. Honestly, although I know a lot about the rhythm, I only saw the ships of the atom fleet in the pictures. And the fact that on ships it is much more expensive to understand.
                But I'm also familiar with the documentation for the rhythm series. laughing The regulations categorically prohibit the operation of the reactor without rebooting the core for more than 6 years, regardless of production. The only exception is if the developer gives permission, but something I doubt that OKBM will do it. laughing
                1. 955535
                  955535 19 January 2020 19: 39
                  +2
                  Possessing not a lot of information on this topic, you, nevertheless, tried here to argue in an categorical tone. 404th here dragged out of place. The core document on the core is technical specifications and an instruction manual. What is written in them will be. Previously, these documents were stamped, I do not know how now.
                  And do not worry about OKBM, this organization extends the resources of the active zones for a long time and successfully. It will also be on the Leader, because why do we need such an icebreaker that needs to be put into the factory for reloading after 6 years, which can last several years, depending on the number of related works. This is not a nuclear power plant where fuel assemblies are being pulled out of the zone without taking PPU out of action.
      3. JD1979
        JD1979 18 January 2020 13: 44
        0
        Quote: Thrall
        Icebreaker autonomy by stocks of provisions will be 8 months

        I'm afraid to even guess how much fuel smile

        I love such posts)) They, like a litmus test, immediately show people either without humor or without the rudiments of logic and ingenuity)). A total of 26 individuals. It’s interesting how it is to live to adulthood or even a very mature age in 2020 (and there are no children here, not their subject) and never hear, do not read about the fact that the reactor also needs to periodically restart the fuel cells))). And this is at a time when nuclear power is constantly at the hearing, and in the hands of every first telephone with Internet access.
        1. bk316
          bk316 18 January 2020 16: 12
          +1
          never hear, read, about the fact that the reactor also needs a periodic reboot of the fuel cells)

          there are much more ......
          And how many of those who absolutely do not understand what AI is
          or how vaccinations work.

          But they are sure to write their comments first, and if they don’t have time, they like.
    2. smart ass
      smart ass 17 January 2020 13: 34
      +1
      Ktonit will explain why the word linear is present in the name of the icebreaker?
      1. LMN
        LMN 17 January 2020 13: 54
        +6
        Quote: Clever man
        Ktonit will explain why the word linear is present in the name of the icebreaker?

        "Battleship", ship of the line. smile
        (battleship), 1) a large three-masted warship of the sailing fleet, which had strong artillery along the sides to destroy enemy ships. In this case, linear tactics were used (with which the name is connected): battleships in battle order followed strictly one after another, without leaving the wake.

        Actually we are talking about an icebreaker in our case hi
        1. smart ass
          smart ass 17 January 2020 14: 10
          +2
          Battleship, if my memory serves me, ship for linear battle
          1. LMN
            LMN 17 January 2020 14: 17
            16
            Quote: Clever man
            Battleship, if my memory serves me, ship for linear battle

            And what is "linear battle" ?! smile
            "In the sailing fleet, the tactics consisted in the formation of a line by ships in which all ships were facing the enemy side. Such a line, for example, was created by ships following each other (in wake formation) and then simultaneously anchored."

            How are ships on the NSR?) One after another .. smile
            Those. It used to be a battle tactic, but now it’s a way to get through .. The goals are different, but the principle is the same.

            I apologize if I explain clumsily repeat
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 17 January 2020 15: 55
        +5
        Quote: Clever man
        Ktonit will explain why the word linear is present in the name of the icebreaker?

        The dictionary has a definition of the word "linear" as
        Designed for servicing communication and communication lines. Stepanov listened to the reports of line controllers and agents. = Fishermen, Drivers. = After training, having received the rank of second-class pilot, I was appointed as a linear pilot. I was sent to the Moscow-Irkutsk postal line. = Vodopyanov, the Way of the pilot =.
        Dictionary of the Russian language: In 4 volumes / RAS, Institute of Linguistics. research; Ed. A.P. Evgenieva. - 4th ed., Erased. - M .: Rus. language; Printing Resources, 1999

        Perhaps he called the linear icebreaker in this sense. After all, he will serve line Northern Sea Route. winked
        1. smart ass
          smart ass 17 January 2020 16: 32
          +2
          Now this is more like the truth thanks
    3. Paul Siebert
      Paul Siebert 17 January 2020 16: 24
      +3
      Well - at least one good news from the former worthless government!
      Our presence in the North will strengthen significantly.
      We still prevail there, but with the advent of the "Leaders" our dominance will become overwhelming!
  2. Trevis
    Trevis 17 January 2020 12: 14
    10
    What a handsome man!
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 17 January 2020 12: 24
      +2
      The name is dumb. Siberia, the Urals, the North are over. It's time to give normal. Stalin or Stalingrad.
      1. maidan.izrailovich
        maidan.izrailovich 17 January 2020 12: 28
        +4
        It's time to give normal. Stalin or Stalingrad.
        good
        So that all sorts of "Greenpeace" and other representatives of the "civilized" West, even to approach it were afraid.
        1. Thrall
          Thrall 17 January 2020 12: 36
          0
          Sure, rename on the eve of launching
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 17 January 2020 12: 46
            -10 qualifying.
            The ship's name "leader", like that ... Unlucky, for our fleet, or something ...
            1. Mestny
              Mestny 17 January 2020 14: 13
              11
              This project is called "Leader".
              The finished ship will have its own name.
              1. Grits
                Grits 18 January 2020 03: 12
                +3
                Quote: Mestny
                This project is called "Leader".
                The finished ship will have its own name.

                That's just during construction, testing, and then operation, most often the name of the project is clearly assigned to all of these ships. So they will say, for example: "I went to sea in" Leaders ".
          2. Piramidon
            Piramidon 17 January 2020 16: 13
            +1
            Quote: Thrall
            Sure, rename on the eve of launching

            The project will not be renamed, but each ship will be given a proper name. Submarines of project 941 have the code "Akula", but not a single boat of this project with this name is present ("Dmitry Donskoy", "Simbirsk", "Arkhangelsk", "Severstal")
        2. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 17 January 2020 21: 48
          +1
          It is high time to rename Greenpeace to Greenpenis
      2. denplot
        denplot 17 January 2020 12: 40
        21
        The leader is the cipher of the project, the name will be different. I am also for Stalingrad
        1. Souchastnik
          Souchastnik 17 January 2020 15: 48
          -8
          I am also for Stalingrad

          And they will call the first "Vladimir Vladimirovich" the second "Dmitry Anatolyevich", they think about the third.
      3. smart ass
        smart ass 17 January 2020 14: 16
        -4
        Is it better to call Omaha scourge or Okinawa to remind Americans
      4. Servisinzhener
        Servisinzhener 17 January 2020 20: 12
        +3
        Stalin
        I am categorically against such a name for an icebreaker! This name should only be carried by the SSBN!
  3. smaug78
    smaug78 17 January 2020 12: 24
    -35 qualifying.
    Some very expensive. Sawing and stuff ...
    1. Qwertyarion
      Qwertyarion 17 January 2020 12: 30
      +5
      It may not be enough.
      There, one project documentation is not known how much it will pull.
      Expertise, etc.
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 17 January 2020 12: 46
      10
      you look at his performance characteristics again) I also think that the head will go more than laid. he is a healthy kapets. displacement more than Kuznetsov)
    3. yang174
      yang174 17 January 2020 13: 00
      +3
      I want gelding at the price of viburnum!
    4. loki565
      loki565 17 January 2020 13: 09
      +3
      Build cheaper who does not give you, or is it difficult on the couch ???)))
  4. Borz
    Borz 17 January 2020 12: 24
    19
    The development and protection of Russian northern maritime communications should be a priority. Great news, happy for you, citizens of a neighboring country!
  5. frizzy
    frizzy 17 January 2020 12: 24
    -20 qualifying.
    Behind the signature of Medvedev - will not take off !!!!
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 17 January 2020 13: 01
      10
      Quote: frizzy
      Behind the signature of Medvedev - will not take off !!!!


      If you call "Vladimir Putin" - will take off.
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 17 January 2020 13: 50
      +5
      Quote: frizzy
      Behind the signature of Medvedev - will not take off !!!!

      Okay, at least I did something sensible before leaving, and even there is nothing to remember except the fight with promiles, tobacco and pensioners. recourse
  6. rocket757
    rocket757 17 January 2020 12: 24
    +9
    Futuristic view of the icebreaker!
    Well, Russia is a "trendsetter" in this particular segment of shipbuilding in the world.
    It's nice to be aware of this.
    1. Romka
      Romka 17 January 2020 13: 28
      -3
      The trendsetter in this segment is Finland. Most of the icebreaker projects are Finnish, like most of the operated icebreakers, are built in Suomi.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 17 January 2020 14: 09
        +4
        The obvious. No one calls OUR icebreakers otherwise, although most know which shipyards some of them built on.
        Master-master, this is obvious to everyone.
      2. Grits
        Grits 18 January 2020 03: 15
        +3
        Quote: Romka
        Most of the icebreaker projects are Finnish, like most of the operated icebreakers, are built in Suomi.

        Built. But not designed.
    2. prodi
      prodi 17 January 2020 14: 16
      +3
      probably, the greater the mass of the head part crawling onto the ice and splitting it, the better;
      in addition, in terms of icing, such a face can also be better
      1. Grits
        Grits 18 January 2020 03: 16
        +3
        Quote: prodi
        in addition, in terms of icing, such a face can also be better

        Still a warm hangar for a helicopter and the work of aircraft.
  7. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 17 January 2020 12: 38
    +1
    The Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation signed by Medvedev No. 11 "On the implementation of budgetary investments in the construction of the lead nuclear icebreaker of project 10510" Leader "provides for the allocation from 2020 to 2027 from the federal budget 127,576979 billion for the construction of a new generation lead icebreaker.

    Judging by the price there is something super-duper, because the previous 22200 models cost:
    1. Qwertyarion
      Qwertyarion 17 January 2020 12: 58
      -8
      127 billion Rub. This is 46 tons of gold
      Damn, this is a lot .... Even very ...
      1. K-612-O
        K-612-O 17 January 2020 13: 34
        17
        And also the money of Rosatom itself, of course there is less, but still. And it’s on the main one, 2 serial ones will cost less.
        And Rosatom performs all tasks, as a rule, without shifting to the right.
      2. St Petrov
        St Petrov 18 January 2020 21: 51
        -1
        it's only $ 2 billion
        nuclear, the size of a 9-storey building, breaking the ice and dictating the will of the Empire

        pates $ 0,3 billion

        everything in Russia is very budgetary
    2. Edik
      Edik 17 January 2020 13: 10
      12
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Judging by the price there is something super-duper, because the previous 22200 models cost:

      Mark your price in the end! Maybe bargain ..
      Look at the power, displacement and length, and then consider it, mathematician winked
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 17 January 2020 13: 18
        -13 qualifying.
        Quote: Edik
        Mark your price in the end! Maybe bargain ..

        What's the point? I'm just curious how the creation of any ordinary (or unusual) structures, structures, events in Russia ALWAYS immensely grow in price and shift to the right in terms of completion ... belay
        1. Edik
          Edik 17 January 2020 13: 23
          12
          Quote: ROSS 42
          I'm just curious how the creation of any ordinary (or unusual) structures, structures, events in Russia ALWAYS immensely grow in price and shift to the right in terms of completion ...

          ROSS 42 is your lie! If you were interested, you would have taken and studied this topic! But you are not interested, you are interested in writing about it! But what, where, and why, it’s not yours fellow
          Yours is stealing! And that’s all ...
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 17 January 2020 13: 50
            -15 qualifying.
            Quote: Edik
            you would take and study this topic!

            I just do what I take and study ... For example, this information:
            DAM President Signs Construction Contract with DCNS French Shipbuilding Corporation two helicopter carriers of the Mistral type for 1 euros ... crying
            And the head of the DAM government signs
            Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation No. 11 "On the implementation of budget investments in the construction of the lead nuclear icebreaker of project 10510" Leader "provides for the allocation from the federal budget in the period from 2020 to 2027 127,576979 billion for the construction of a new generation lead icebreaker.

            For two overseas Mistral - 1 € crying
            For one domestic “Leader” - 1 825 135 500 € fellow
            Anto how, your mother,
            Sorry to understand?
            We are not storage what,
            To raise the troubles!

            lol
            1. Edik
              Edik 17 January 2020 13: 56
              12
              Oh yo yo crying How difficult it is with you! You still compare them by weight! No need to compare, not comparable. fool
            2. Edik
              Edik 17 January 2020 14: 07
              +4
              Quote: ROSS 42
              Ross xnumx

              ROSS 42 Well, didn’t get it yet?
              1. Ross xnumx
                Ross xnumx 17 January 2020 14: 15
                -9
                Quote: Edik
                ROSS 42 Well, didn’t get it?

                What did you want to convey to me? That three copies of 22200 projects with a length of 179 meters, a displacement of 33 tons and two reactors of 000 MW each civilian use are cheaper than a single product 10510 with a length of 209 meters, a displacement of 71 tons and two nuclear weapons 400 MW?
                And I just intended to find out:
                Quote: ROSS 42
                Judging by the price there is something super-duper

                Maybe you know that? belay
                And then let's compare the cost of the Su-35 (for China) and Su-57 (for Russia) ...
                1. Edik
                  Edik 17 January 2020 14: 19
                  +3
                  I thought it didn’t come!
                  If you master it, it may come! But I'm not sure No.
                  http://www.iceberg.sp.ru/?p=3008
                  1. Ross xnumx
                    Ross xnumx 17 January 2020 14: 21
                    -6
                    Quote: Edik
                    If you master it, it may come!

                    I didn’t drink at the Brudershaft, so poke your partner ...
                    1. Edik
                      Edik 17 January 2020 14: 30
                      +7
                      Quote: ROSS 42
                      I didn’t drink at the Brudershaft, so poke your partner ...

                      Yes, I know with whom you are drinking on brudershaft! With Vladimir Putin, and Dmitry Medvedev!
                      Although I will not write rudeness! repeat
                    2. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 17 January 2020 14: 33
                      12
                      Quote: ROSS 42
                      poke your partner

                      Man, being rude is bad for karma ...
            3. maidan.izrailovich
              maidan.izrailovich 17 January 2020 14: 49
              10
              I just do what I take and study ...

              And before you study, analyze and draw any logical conclusions, didn’t you try?
              For two overseas Mistral - 1 €
              For one domestic “Leader” - 1 825 135 500 €

              "Leader" is not just a barge with a motor, but a very complicated technique. The reactors alone are worth something. Unique steel grades of domestic production. https://iz.ru/707287/arkadii-sosnov/po-khladostoikim-staliam-my-tochno-vperedi-planety-vsei
              And by displacement "Leader" is twice as many "mistrals".
              71380 tons for "Leader" versus 32300 tons for "Mistrals".
              This high price comes from all this and much more.
              1. Ross xnumx
                Ross xnumx 17 January 2020 14: 52
                -15 qualifying.
                Quote: maidan.izrailovich
                This high price comes from all this and much more.

                I already heard this when they explained the high salaries of State Duma deputies and "effective managers" ...
                Thank you for setting the path of truth ... fellow Glory! ... put what you need yourself ...
                1. Edik
                  Edik 17 January 2020 17: 53
                  +2
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  Glory! ... put what you need yourself ...

                  Glory to the heroes lol
                  You i'm sorry hi disgraced to the fullest! You about Thomas, and you, as always, about Emelya! Is the program jammed? Or do you have such a cunning tactic? belay Everyone now understands what you think, but then probably sometimes laughing
                  1. Ross xnumx
                    Ross xnumx 17 January 2020 18: 10
                    -9
                    Quote: Edik
                    Everyone now understands what you think, but then probably sometimes

                    Who is this for everyone? Do you want "food"? So I can tell you and people like you that your opinion interests me least of all. Fortunately, there are more thinking people on the site, and they do not bend their backs in front of anyone.
                    If you like Ukrainian nationalism, this does not mean that I support it and your addiction. Do not continue your pointless "verbal diarrhea". You have already shown your "dullness" and lack of argumentation in your statements.
                    That I will not give up my words. I did not begin to take the Oath of EBN - I did not consider him the Commander-in-Chief, and I was not mistaken ...
                    Buy flowers and congratulate DAM on the new appointment, otherwise he will not wait for your congratulations ...
                    1. Edik
                      Edik 17 January 2020 18: 19
                      +8
                      Quote: ROSS 42
                      Ross xnumx

                      ROSS 42 but don’t get up in the pose of an insulted intellectual! No one will not believe it! But it’s just ridiculous for you, a person who teaches the president to govern the country, can’t understand simple things! Some dumb slogans written by someone, and the projected court on the resource, here is your inner being! And you yourself are 0.
            4. Grits
              Grits 18 January 2020 03: 21
              +4
              Quote: ROSS 42
              For one domestic “Leader” - 1 825 135 500 €

              This is a fee for the development of new technologies, new designs, new mechanisms. For the training of new specialists, for the development of a new large industrial enterprise. The fee is for us to learn how to put such ships on the stream that others cannot. This is better than stupidly giving the French.
              It's worth it.
              1. Dikson
                Dikson 19 January 2020 10: 53
                +1
                In general, I agree ... but in particular .. On the one hand, by launching this project in the Far East, we will not only invest in the development of shipbuilding enterprises and attract and train specialists, but we will be able to at least somehow compete or work in cooperation with Korea and China .. Although to their pace we are like the moon ... And to build icebreakers for China is to dig our own grave ...
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    3. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 17 January 2020 13: 30
      +8
      so this one is almost twice as large even in size
    4. Piramidon
      Piramidon 17 January 2020 22: 48
      +3
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Judging by the price there is something super-duper, because the previous 22200 models cost:

      No need to compare the price of a serial product with the price of a product that still needs to be developed from scratch, build, test, bring to mind ...
  8. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 17 January 2020 12: 46
    +2
    But it sounds like - singled out ... I would have subscribed, maybe something else I would have highlighted ...
  9. L-39NG
    L-39NG 17 January 2020 12: 48
    -8
    If there is a joint-stock company for escorting ships along the NSR, I will immediately send money to build icebreakers and justify the company. I have already sent it to Canadians and Americans and I am already receiving interest from them. Thank God they are not a "welfare state".
    1. vadimtt
      vadimtt 18 January 2020 08: 08
      0
      Dreaming about whether there will be a CJSC or FSUE in general. Who will give you such a cash cow? Moreover, even all decent div actions for a long time with the Moscow Interbank Currency Exchange are distracted. Left crumbs.
  10. Paranoid50
    Paranoid50 17 January 2020 12: 51
    +7
    According to the project, the total displacement of the "Leader" will be 71,4 thousand tons with a length of 209 meters, a width of 47,7 meters and a height of 20,3 meters.
    fellow good
    The ship will receive two RITM-400 nuclear reactors with a capacity of 120 megawatts on propellers and a thermal capacity of 315 megawatts each.

    But. The power is almost twice that of RITM-200 (T / M -175 MW, on the shaft - "only" 30 MW), which are on the Arktika series. To ensure year-round wiring of the same "two hundredths" would require as many as four per body.
    1. Edik
      Edik 17 January 2020 14: 16
      +2
      Quote: Paranoid50
      Power is almost twice that of RITM-200 (T / M -175 MW, on the shaft - "only" 30 MW)

      Here is an interesting on this topic:
      ALEXANDER RYZHKOV, ICB “ICEBERG”: BASED ON THE EXPERIENCE OF CREATING ATOMIC ICE-BREAKERS WE COME TO A FLOATING LNG POWER UNIT

      http://www.iceberg.sp.ru/?p=3008
  11. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 17 January 2020 12: 59
    +7
    The project is large and necessary. good luck!!!
  12. prior
    prior 17 January 2020 13: 01
    -14 qualifying.
    What actually to discuss, an icebreaker is needed - money was allocated. But why is such a significant amount allocated by the acting government?
    So for those transformations in the economy that are planned, the government could not be changed ?!
    And all this noisy epic with the resignation of Medvedev is nothing more than the beginning of an election campaign for power for the sake of power.
    Transformations for the good of the people, without consulting this very people, are not carried out.
    So, there is a lot of noise, and the results will be according to Chernomyrdin: "We wanted the best, but it turned out as always."
    Well, the Leader will someday be built ....
    1. loki565
      loki565 17 January 2020 13: 13
      +8
      Well, yes, it’s better to sit on the couch and throw it on the fan)))
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    3. LMN
      LMN 17 January 2020 13: 26
      +8
      What actually to discuss, an icebreaker is needed - money was allocated. But why is such a significant amount allocated by the acting government?

      Funds were allocated, even before the self-withdrawal of the government hi
    4. Michman
      Michman 17 January 2020 13: 49
      +7
      I work for the STAR. The key word is sometime. Personally, I can’t even imagine how and when, for certain reasons. But here everyone is already commenting.
      1. Grits
        Grits 18 January 2020 03: 35
        +5
        Quote: Michman
        I work for the STAR. The key word is sometime. Personally, I can’t even imagine how and when, for certain reasons. But here everyone is already commenting.

        My relatives work there too. And judging by their information, they would completely agree with you. Everything there is neither shaky nor swell.
  13. Well done
    Well done 17 January 2020 13: 03
    0
    Pretty boy! $ 2 billion, 7 years ... But it's worth it. SMP is ours! I wish there were MANPADS and a cannon on it, so that some people would not stick their nose on ours.
    1. Michman
      Michman 17 January 2020 13: 51
      +2
      It will not be built in 7 years. MSS the building is not even ready at the very first one, the aframax was postponed to March, and then the icebreaker !!!!! I can not say much, but it will stretch for a very long time. From cutting the first metal to the camera to the chassis will take a lot of time.
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 17 January 2020 14: 16
        +4
        Quote: Michman
        He will not

        It will be built in cooperation. "Baltiyskiy Zavod" has a share for a reason. yes
        1. Michman
          Michman 17 January 2020 14: 22
          +9
          Do you know more than mine ??? we have a workshop for 2 years, there will be no commissioning and installation, and there will be no year 2 !!!! 3 MSS, 11 aframax, a bunch of gas carriers and 2 leaders ..... and the whole plant is a hull workshop and a piece of a slipway.
          1. Edik
            Edik 17 January 2020 18: 55
            +1
            Quote: Michman
            Michman (Gennady)

            -
            Are there any dates for the construction dates of the lead Leader? According to preliminary estimates, the construction period will be at least 7 years. The icebreaker is large, powerful, so it will take a long time to build it.
            How can you evaluate the readiness of the Zvezda shipyard, because the dry dock in which the construction was supposed to be is not ready yet?
            Directly construction site for the formation of the building is needed not tomorrow, but after a while. Not earlier than in two years. Therefore, the priority tasks will be the determination of suppliers, the contracting of large-sized equipment, as well as equipment with a long manufacturing cycle. This must be done in the first stages.

            http://www.iceberg.sp.ru/?p=3008
          2. Grits
            Grits 18 January 2020 03: 39
            +5
            Quote: Michman
            and the whole plant is a hull workshop and a slipway piece.

            Some comrades can simply be advised to start by visiting at least Google Earth. And take a look. They will be surprised that this is not a plant, but one huge construction site. That's when it turns into a factory, then we can talk about the timing of construction.
            1. Michman
              Michman 18 January 2020 18: 01
              +3
              So they zapped me in the end.
              1. Orkraider
                Orkraider 19 January 2020 03: 19
                +2
                Quote: Michman
                So they zapped me in the end.


                Do not pay attention to those who need, he understood.
                From me the pros.
                Work at the shipyard, which itself will be commissioned no earlier than 25 years, is a difficult job.

                But it is precisely those who are now pulling and working on it, the staff, workers and technicians, who are bit by bit gaining experience and creating the future of this site. And, I hope, a proud future.
              2. Sadam
                Sadam 19 January 2020 17: 28
                0
                and how many people work for you? when there was a PSRZ in Nakhodka, 20 thousand people back there as a demonstration - 4 draidoks 8 workshops split - piston sleeves for Russian diesel engines were poured into a meter in diameter for floating bases ..... died .... production is about the same size as Korean STX or Hyundai and Afamaks Panamaks there riveted for 9 months from the keel to the descent
                1. Michman
                  Michman 20 January 2020 11: 43
                  +1
                  So far, 2500, a full staff of about 7 thousand are coming from all over the country, including shift workers. A program of education and training of specialists in Primorye has intensely earned. In many universities and technicians with pheasants, additional departments have been opened, streams, etc. to train their homegrown specialists on the ground. including schools. for example, a son in school 10-11 grade is formed by ODA. Directions. Higher and secondary bias. Then to go on profile training. So-called Rosneft classes. For now ..... we now have 8 pheasant in practice until May. So they are officially employed at the 1st level. 60 thousand, then a diploma / army / hi factory. And it’s 18 years old ..... while it’s hard and with a creak. Then I think everything will work out. While icebreakers are fantastic for us.
                2. Michman
                  Michman 20 January 2020 11: 49
                  0
                  I supplement my previous comment. For my son, everything can be according to this scheme easily and simply, but ..... he will be an officer for me as a submariner. And only .... I’m a midshipman of the reserve. And so without problems: the institute and the factory. sensible guys are selected and taught free of charge for the plant. The programma has earned.
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 17 January 2020 14: 37
      -9
      Quote: Welldone
      SMP is ours!

      So I know for sure that for almost seventy years no one has applied for the NSR. And no one needed to prove that he was ours. And the appearance of a US submarine in the waters of the Arctic Ocean could be regarded as an act of aggression. Is it possible to build an icebreaker at such a price for the NSR, which, in principle, has not received an assessment of economic profitability and there is no queue of ice-class merchant ships wishing to rush along it MORE IMPORTANT !!! construction of a water conduit to "our Crimea", in which ALREADY !!! has 2 inhabitants?
      This is called loss of priorities. Lack of skill in the choice of primary tasks ... And there is also a bridge across the Lena ... A bridge to Sakhalin ... the Far East, which is being successfully mastered by the Chinese "brothers" ... I'm not talking about the Russian Navy ...
      Here we have a certain Valentina Matvienko in the Federation Council. For her, for example, the "maternity capital" program is just like the "transplanted" Medvedev project "Leader" ...
  14. Oleg kubanoid
    Oleg kubanoid 17 January 2020 13: 04
    +7
    it’s not very clear how a star with its huge number of orders will be able to pull out such a project. although on the other hand, if you do not set yourself strong tasks, you will have to stagnate
    1. Michman
      Michman 17 January 2020 13: 53
      +2
      Here I am talking about the same ...... 45 ships in the portfolio, and the plant will only be built for another 3 years. What kind of ships ???? everything goes with a terrible creak.
  15. qaz
    qaz 17 January 2020 13: 15
    -2
    127 lard ????? Yes, these are 2 Borei-class nuclear submarines !!!!!!!
    1. askort154
      askort154 17 January 2020 14: 02
      +8
      qaz .....127 lard ????? Yes, these are 2 Borei-class nuclear submarines !!!!!!!

      I am not an economist. But I believe that we do not buy it from another state for 127 lard, but we build it ourselves, using our own "material"! So this money remains in the state, for the salaries of thousands of workers involved in its creation, from ore miners to "painters". Money will leave the state only for what we cannot do ourselves. hi
      1. Michman
        Michman 17 January 2020 14: 25
        0
        From their own ????? they made fun. Even the bolts are also from Romania. And what is not Russian, at least on the tanker and supply vessel.
        1. Shraik
          Shraik 17 January 2020 21: 29
          +3
          Quote: Michman
          From their own ????? they made fun. Even the bolts are also from Romania. And what is not Russian, at least on the tanker and supply vessel.

          What kind of game is written here? Whose reactor is also Romanian? Whose steel? Whose workers and designers are they? Stop writing nonsense.
          1. Michman
            Michman 18 January 2020 02: 13
            +1
            Steel is even bought from Arabs. I wrote about tankers and supply vessels. All imported 24-meter hire can not be found by the supplier !!!!!
        2. Orkraider
          Orkraider 17 January 2020 23: 19
          +4
          Midshipman.
          Good already.

          From their own ????? they made fun. Even the bolts are also from Romania. And of which there is no Russian,

          If you take the project 22200:
          Most of the ship's fittings are Russian, with the exception of (intelligent) Auma drives, conventional drives based on ABS ZEiM. I delivered to the Baltic a large volume of ZRA.
          The plant in Gatchina does, if you really have a relationship with the sea - you know it.
          Pipelines are all Russian.
          Rolled metal products - almost all of Russia, part from Nikopol (but not much, basically a part of a rare assortment).

          Do not, so belittle your country ..
          1. Michman
            Michman 18 January 2020 02: 18
            +1
            I wrote about the icebreaker that the terms are not real. But about the supply for the tankers and the supply it is. Even the welding wire is Hyundai. The bolts are not ours. What does the humiliation have to do with it? What should I argue with you? than to me, what and how is it at the factory. IT WILL NOT BE BUILT EVEN AFTER 10 YEARS !!! I sent this link to many masters. Everyone laughs and says: well, everyone will be deprived of all prizes for 27, for failure to meet deadlines, but Are you here.....
            1. Orkraider
              Orkraider 18 January 2020 07: 16
              +3
              The midshipman,
              If it’s not about the icebreaker, but about Afromaks, he was wrong, I admit.

              According to them, I agree with you that for today, the bow block is welded to the Star with the main part of the tanker built in Korea, and the bow block is assembled from sections that also come from Korea. So in it, bye for todayEverything is really Korean. And it cannot be otherwise, based on the above wink

              But, you must admit, it is immediately impossible to launch a plant, competencies must be developed, and by the completion of the construction of the shipyard there will be both experience and the necessary capacities, and I think the situation will change. It is better to start with a small% of localization and gradually increase the share of the Patriotic War, learn from the best (and Koreans are now leaders) than to get stuck in a long-term construction and disrupt contracts.

              I say hello to the Star workers, success!
              1. Michman
                Michman 18 January 2020 18: 30
                +3
                Thank you for understanding. The duration of the descent of Afra is from December to March. Even from the elementary system of anode protection, sadness. I also wrote above that this is a matter of time, but when and how long? By the 12th Afra building our building should be 65%, and we weld the nose for half a year. I myself am from the Smolensk region. The service brought me to the Far East, then anchor and threw everything with me in Smolensk, but even a NATIVE FATHER, he sees a report on TV and starts arguing with me and proving to me, sometimes, that I am wrong !!! '' This site. from all over the country row workers. all from scratch. and it will take a VERY long time to roll this mechanism. the leader is simply fantastic. at this stage, no one can imagine how this is possible ??? !!! We'll build it somehow 100%, but at what cost and how soon, that's another question ...
              2. Michman
                Michman 18 January 2020 18: 40
                +2
                I’ll correct you. The nose, bulb, etc., also from Korea, the tanker itself is the same, but the bow block (m / y with the nose and the tanker itself, so to speak) is ours. 2%, but the feed with the car, propeller group and superstructure-ONLY KOREA! We are currently preparing to install аф -shvartnogo u-va and towing on Afra. ALL !!!!!!!!!
                1. Orkraider
                  Orkraider 19 January 2020 03: 11
                  +1
                  The midshipman,
                  I have a similar belief that we can handle and learn. Yes, it will take time and effort and money, but remember the first five-year plans of the young Soviet Republic, it was also hard, they also torn the veins, built with clenched teeth ...

                  I’m a power engineer, we also have time to the right in fact (almost always), but we finish building and commissioning the blocks, although sometimes it takes 14 hours to work for months.

                  Once again success, and greetings with a strong shake of labor. You will succeed, and time .. Russians harness for a long time))

                  It is a pity that many did not understand you, but building ships at the shipyard, which is at the construction stage, is a hell of a job. But it is precisely the people who are working on it now that create the foundation for the future.
          2. Sadam
            Sadam 19 January 2020 17: 37
            0
            Oh, comrade, you would have worked on that ship in that Ross assembly machine - the one-time refrigerator has expanded, it has contracted a drip. these galvanized pipes for sea water ... I would kill .... on Shanghai Shipyard the same plan was quality 15 years ago - the guys crossed when they took it from the acceptance - right now they pulled the quality up to the standard of shopping malls a lot of brands ... but then China
    2. dirk182
      dirk182 17 January 2020 14: 10
      -1
      no matter how 3 ...
  16. skif8013
    skif8013 17 January 2020 13: 28
    +3
    Handsome, I want to see this without exaggeration, a miracle of technology with my own eyes !!!
  17. Moskit
    Moskit 17 January 2020 13: 38
    -9
    It will be just like the Vostochny spaceport. There will be no icebreaker, but the money is over.
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    2. Crane
      Crane 17 January 2020 16: 18
      +2
      It will be just like the Vostochny spaceport. There will be no icebreaker, but the money is over. [[I] [/ i]
      ===
      Why not like a bridge?
  18. sabotage
    sabotage 17 January 2020 13: 44
    -11 qualifying.
    According to the calculated data, the icebreaker of the "Leader" project will be able to reach speeds of up to 24 knots in clear water and up to 12 knots on ice up to 2 meters thick. The maximum surmountable ice thickness is 4 meters. The service life of such an icebreaker is calculated for 40 years. The crew is 127 people.


    And who with these parameters will need an NSR? The crew of 127 people. This is what kind of caravan of ships must be collected for him to recapture this money? What is the operating cost of this victory of technology over reason?
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 17 January 2020 14: 05
      +6
      it is not built to beat money !!!! turn on your head
      1. sabotage
        sabotage 17 January 2020 14: 42
        -8
        Quote: Nastia Makarova
        it is not built to beat money !!!! turn on your head

        Well, if it is being built to distribute money from the budget to developers, contractors and operators, then everything is fine.
        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 17 January 2020 14: 53
          +6
          It’s being built for the NSR, so that our ships can navigate and sometimes foreign
    2. ser56
      ser56 17 January 2020 14: 13
      +3
      Quote: sabotage
      This is what kind of caravan of ships must be collected for him, so that this money is repelled

      as far as I understand it will drive gas carriers, tankers and bulk carriers on the NSR ... and they are large, with a devit for 100t ... hi
    3. Servisinzhener
      Servisinzhener 17 January 2020 20: 26
      +3
      To evaluate the economic efficiency, it is necessary to consider how much in the cost of transportation tons of cargo will be the services of this icebreaker. And such a monstrous amount divided into 50 years of operation, even taking into account all the repairs, can have a minimal impact on the final price of freight. And be covered by the benefits of a shorter path. Sea transport when transporting long distances of large volumes is more profitable than any other.
    4. Laksamana besar
      Laksamana besar 18 January 2020 12: 21
      0
      First of all, for year-round piloting of large-capacity tankers and bulk carriers, which now cannot use the Northern Sea Route.
  19. dirk182
    dirk182 17 January 2020 13: 59
    -1
    When I first read destroyer "Leader"and then still icebreaker. Well, okay, this is also a good thing. Not in the pockets, but for the real deal. It's just not clear ... they are going to build in 7 years. And about the aircraft carrier, they said that until 2030. Where and by what forces?
  20. Mentat
    Mentat 17 January 2020 14: 06
    12
    Quote: Romka
    The trendsetter in this segment is Finland. Most of the icebreaker projects are Finnish, like most of the operated icebreakers, are built in Suomi.

    Another great connoisseur and tear of the integument.
    So why then the USA, Canada, Denmark simply will not order the construction of icebreakers in Suomi, since they, it turns out, are trendsetters?
    Why carry this nonsense?

    Read, enlighten, tear cover tear sofa:
  21. 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 17 January 2020 14: 07
    +3
    The good news is when they build something!
    People, it's just that I'm not in the subject, anyone in the know who needs to be driven along the NSR except "Nornickel", "Gazprom", "Lukoil", "Rosneft", "Rosshelf", Krasnoyarsk Territory, Sakha-Yakutia, Chukotka ". It's just that now there are special queues and during the period when the NSR is open for six months, foreigners are not visible.
    And they dealt with the regions even with the union, for the period when the NSR was opened, and no one built super-icebreakers, although I think they could have easily been dealt with if necessary ..
    The question of profitability is a slight doubt in the payback. Is the budget mainly incurred for the sake of the above commercial companies? And then they will also be exempt from payment for posting, it is easy with us. And they won’t release them - companies are at most 50% state-owned, that is. we will bring half to ourselves.
    My colleagues directly doubt the profitability and, most importantly, of the priority importance for the country of this icebreaker worth half the Crimean bridge or 2 Boreas or 2 Ash trees.
    By the way, if I'm right, I think there will not be much delays in its construction hi
  22. Michman
    Michman 17 January 2020 14: 18
    +2
    I’m wondering who’s minus. I work at this plant. I’m a harsh installer. And it’s me who saturates these ships with equipment. And I am the one who owns the situation at the plant. And some "hurray patriot" does not like the truth .....
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 17 January 2020 14: 26
      +6
      Quote: Michman
      I own the situation at the factory

      Everything is fine, no need to be nervous, everyone has already understood that the plant is exclusively you. yes laughing
      1. Michman
        Michman 17 January 2020 14: 34
        +1
        Of course, I’m not only exclusively one, but one of the 2,5 employees. Moreover, there are 3 employees of ITR and other departments including accounting for one hard worker. I can’t just write, I’ll just say that after 10 years at least, or even more I would definitely know if it was for us to work with equipment. The plant is under construction, it all started from scratch, everything goes with a heavy creak. It will be easier in the future, but the deadlines are not set. Further it will be easier and faster, but until the plant is built, the whole mechanism does not roll back and there will be nothing good in technology. All the deadlines have been fired long ago to the right at the initial stage. What can I say ???
  23. Galleon
    Galleon 17 January 2020 14: 31
    +5
    The width of 47,7 m - just beyond the limits. Displacement is impressive! I wonder why this is done? To make the Crochet channel as wide as possible for the passage of gas tankers?
    If anyone is involved in this project, please explain!
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 17 January 2020 18: 21
      +2
      The width was designed for this .. To avoid hitting the canal twice .. Nuclear-powered ships of the current generation already .. first encountered this problem when they tried to navigate the Sevmorput caravan .. And it is wider than icebreakers, and despite the fact that ice class himself, he didn’t climb into the canal pierced by the icebreaker ..
  24. Galleon
    Galleon 17 January 2020 14: 38
    +4
    Looked at all the comments. The comment on how much vodka will get into this icebreaker has the most approvals. laughing I respect and love you and your people, Russia! good
  25. svp67
    svp67 17 January 2020 15: 19
    +3
    "Zvezda" is no longer able to "digest" the number of orders that the government provided for it, and that means now, with the decision to build this "giant" there, and something else, it will have to be abandoned or postponed. And also, if these colossus are now laid there, it means that something "big" for the Russian fleet will not be built there.
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  27. Old26
    Old26 17 January 2020 15: 47
    +4
    Quote: Clever man
    Ktonit will explain why the word linear is present in the name of the icebreaker?

    There are various types of icebreakers: river, port, raid, etc. Linear icebreakers are designed for ice escort along the route of single ships and caravans of ships, for the delivery of goods to places of the world's oceans that are difficult to access in ice.

    Quote: denplot
    The leader is the cipher of the project, the name will be different. I am also for Stalingrad

    Quote: Mavrikiy
    The name is dumb. Siberia, the Urals, the North are over. It's time to give normal. Stalin or Stalingrad.

    The probability is zero. Even in the post-war era, icebreakers were most often named after the polar captains, individual coastal cities, or had names associated with geographical names.
    More numerous ice-class vessels could have any names. for example, the Pioneer series had the names of pioneer heroes. So it is unlikely that this nuclear-powered ship will bear the name Stalin or Stalingrad. Rather, they can be called "Ermak", in honor of the first icebreaker or "Russia"
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 17 January 2020 18: 29
      +1
      "Ermak" - a diesel electric ship, a Finnish-built icebreaker, a shipyard of Vyartsilya, a sister ship of the Admiral Makarov, "Krasin" series .. worked in the Far East .. I don't know if it's alive now .. "Russia" is a sister ship, an atomic ship from the series " Arctic "(the same one that the first in the history of navigation in 1977 reached the North Pole .. it is also unlikely to be on pins and needles .. - it is of course old already ... but" Yamal ", for example, from the same series, does North Pole..
    2. Avior
      Avior 17 January 2020 23: 56
      +1
      You are right, with one exception
      The first was the icebreaker Lenin.
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 18 January 2020 18: 08
        +3
        Avlor .. Hm .. If you're talking about nuclear-powered ships, then yes, Lenin was the first in the world .. And if in general about our Russian icebreakers, then at first there was Ermak, Krasin and F. Litke's ice cutter ... )))
        1. Avior
          Avior 18 January 2020 21: 10
          0
          About atomic of course
          If you are already about Ermak, then it would be more correct first- Pilot
          hi
  28. Mordor
    Mordor 17 January 2020 15: 51
    0
    Beauty! Amazingly beautiful and powerful ship. Good luck to the shipbuilders!
  29. Vadim237
    Vadim237 17 January 2020 15: 53
    -1
    The heavy icebreaker "Dmitry Anatolyevich" will still float.
  30. Old26
    Old26 17 January 2020 19: 34
    +3
    Quote: Dikson
    "Ermak" - a diesel electric ship, a Finnish-built icebreaker, a shipyard of Vyartsilya, a sister ship of the Admiral Makarov, "Krasin" series .. worked in the Far East .. I don't know if it's alive now .. "Russia" is a sister ship, an atomic ship from the series " Arctic "(the same one that the first in the history of navigation in 1977 reached the North Pole .. it is also unlikely to be on pins and needles .. - it is of course old already ... but" Yamal ", for example, from the same series, does North Pole..

    I don’t know about "ermak" either. In 2000 he was transferred from the FESCO and is under the leadership of the administration of the St. Petersburg port. Alive or not - I don't know. But "Russia" is either preparing for disposal, or has already been disposed of. The "name" is free. Of the free names of the first generation nuclear icebreakers, only "Lenin", "Russia" and "Soviet Union". And they are unlikely to be called by the name "Lenin" or "Soviet Union". I'd rather believe in "80 years of Victory"
  31. Lena Petrova
    Lena Petrova 17 January 2020 21: 41
    +3
    Quote: Qwertyarion
    127 billion Rub. This is 46 tons of gold
    Damn, this is a lot .... Even very ...

    What do you choose at the North Pole - 46 tons of gold, or such a machine?
  32. ljoha_d
    ljoha_d 17 January 2020 21: 45
    +1
    Will be handsome if they build !!!!!!!!!!
  33. zxc15682
    zxc15682 18 January 2020 07: 30
    +1
    Well, at least not an aircraft carrier ..
    1. martin-159
      martin-159 19 January 2020 10: 25
      -1
      Neither one nor the other will be.
  34. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 18 January 2020 21: 04
    -1
    Project 10510 "Leader" appeared in 2017. It was necessary to start building in 2018. Where can I get money for the 2 (two) remaining "Leaders"? - "three-ruble note of Yanukovych sad ", as an option - to throw a cry among the civil servants:" Shake the money !!! ", how many clerks in the" money boxes "? - Prime Minister M. Mishustin may well know yes