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Ukrainian experts said they found out the cause of the crash of the Boeing before the Iranians

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Experts from Ukraine involved in identifying the causes of the crash of the Boeing 737-800 passenger plane, earlier than Iranian experts, determined the cause of the crash. The investigation of the scene of the accident, the wreckage of the plane, the surviving personal belongings of passengers and crew helped them understand this.


This was told by the head of the Kiev Research Institute of Forensic Expertise (KNIISE) Alexander Ruvin. The specialists of this scientific institution were part of a group of Ukrainian experts who arrived in Iran.

According to Ruvin, Ukrainians were the first to determine that the plane was hit by a rocket. This happened on January 10th. The director of the KNIISE said that the experts carefully examined and examined every detail of the aircraft, determined the places where the striking elements of the rocket or explosive device hit. Having restored the picture of the incident, they were able to understand what happened.

Later, Iranian representatives asked to cover the film with fragments of the plane and stop filming. Ukrainian experts agreed to come the next morning, January 11th. They were only allowed in at 11 o’clock, but Iranian experts were no longer there. Soon, Tehran officially pleaded guilty to the death of a passenger airliner.
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  1. jovanni
    jovanni 17 January 2020 10: 58
    +31
    Ukrainian experts on downed passenger aircraft are the most experienced in the world. Themselves won over how many ...
    1. Invoce
      Invoce 17 January 2020 11: 07
      -4
      Quote: Jovanni
      Ukrainian experts on downed passenger aircraft are the most experienced in the world. Themselves won over how many ...

      The question is whether EXPERTS or not. In this case, the Ukrainians were EXPERTS. Received high-quality education in the USSR. And to find out the reasons for the crash of the aircraft, it was not necessary to conduct research. Everything was visible with the naked eye
      1. Shurik70
        Shurik70 17 January 2020 13: 05
        +12
        Quote: Invoce
        In this case, the Ukrainians were EXPERTS

        The plane was shot down on the 8th
        Let them arrived already on the night of the 9th.
        On the 10th they have already (I quote): "they carefully examined and examined every detail of the aircraft, determined the places where the striking elements of a rocket or explosive device hit"
        Tell me how a real expert can do it in a day. inspect every detail thoroughly the plane.

        Although in a particular case it is more likely illiterate PR from Ruvin.
        After all, to determine the hit of a rocket, just see one single piece of skin pierced by striking elements... Too typical damage. And you don't have to be an "expert of the Soviet school" for this.
        1. svp67
          svp67 17 January 2020 15: 13
          +1
          Quote: Shurik70
          Tell me how a real expert can thoroughly inspect every detail of an airplane in a day.

          In this judgment of yours, the letter "Y" is missing. Not an "expert", but "experts". 10 there was already a whole Ukrainian delegation of specialists.
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 17 January 2020 21: 14
            -1
            Yes, at least EXPERT.
            To understand what happened, it is enough to find one piece of casing with characteristic holes.
            Here is a photo from the scene.
            1. svp67
              svp67 18 January 2020 03: 52
              -1
              Quote: Shurik70
              To understand what happened, it is enough to find one piece of casing with characteristic holes.

              Yes, you can't even imagine how far you are from understanding this issue. And from where do you have confidence that the holes did not appear at the moment of touching the ground or which of the violent local residents decided to shoot from their "karamushtuk".
              No, it's not enough to find this piece of paneling with holes. It is necessary to understand where he was on the plane, whether the objects flying through him and leaving these holes could cause fatal damage that led to the crash. Try to find these "items". A lot of work
              1. Shurik70
                Shurik70 18 January 2020 07: 13
                -1
                Believe me, even a poorly educated expert will distinguish a hole that appears from a striking element flying at a speed higher than or close to a sound one, from a hole obtained after a collision with a stone during a fall. The hole is too characteristic.
                And the Ukrainians sent the best of those that they could find.
                And at the expense of what damage was caused by a particular hole - the very fact of the shelling is important.
                In a month, they will assemble a puzzle from the wreckage, and it will be possible to count ALL the holes. Then it will be possible to talk about damage, not earlier. True, by that time it will no longer be important.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 18 January 2020 07: 59
                  -1
                  Quote: Shurik70
                  Believe me, even a poorly educated expert will distinguish a hole that appears from a striking element flying at a speed higher than or close to a sound one, from a hole obtained after a collision with a stone during a fall.

                  Stones during an explosion, the same can have a speed close to sonic.
      2. svp67
        svp67 17 January 2020 15: 11
        +1
        Quote: Invoce
        Everything was visible with the naked eye

        Sorry, but this is not an argument for such a commission and investigation. Everything should be clearly documented.
    2. Thrall
      Thrall 17 January 2020 11: 09
      +10
      After that, as the capital of Ukraine was renamed Kuev, I am no longer surprised at anything smile

      laughing
      1. Dur_mod
        Dur_mod 17 January 2020 11: 16
        -2
        Aliens shared info with you?
      2. major147
        major147 17 January 2020 11: 38
        0
        Quote: Thrall
        After that, as the capital of Ukraine was renamed Kuev, I am no longer surprised at anything

        I have one, but after 2 warnings I did not dare to post. It's just interesting that the "artist" had? In mind. What offended him?

    3. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 17 January 2020 11: 10
      +8
      Quote: Jovanni
      Ukrainian experts on downed passenger aircraft are the most experienced in the world. Themselves won over how many ...

      Of course, this is what Ukrainian President Kuchma said after the downing of a Russian Tu-154 passenger plane over the Black Sea in 2001. Like do not make a tragedy, we are not the first, and we are not the last.
      1. Thrall
        Thrall 17 January 2020 11: 20
        +6
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        Like do not make a tragedy, we are not the first, and we are not the last

        I remember this moment. My jaw simply fell off his cynicism then. And after the Maidan, you are not surprised at anything.
      2. prior
        prior 17 January 2020 11: 40
        +5
        So it follows from the words of the Ukrainian ex-president that there is no tragedy in the fact that the Iranians shot down the Ukrainian Boeing. A downed plane of Ukraine is not the last ....
        The topic can be closed.
        Boomerang is back.
      3. midshipman
        midshipman 17 January 2020 12: 48
        +5
        I met this president (I saw him for the first time) in 1981. My Minister Pleshakov, P.S. arrived at Yuzhmash (there was an extended meeting). Kuchma was the secretary of the Yuzhmash party committee and played guitar and sang a song before the meeting. I asked Pyotr Stepanovich: "Who is this?" The minister, smiling, answered me: "Another".:.
      4. svp67
        svp67 17 January 2020 15: 15
        +3
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        Of course, that’s what Ukrainian President Kuchma said after

        The worst thing is that after that they again went into "unconsciousness" and if the Israelis were paid something there, then the Russian side, including the airline, were left without payments. And after all this, the Ukrainians are trying to accuse us of something ...
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 17 January 2020 11: 14
      +4
      Quote: Jovanni
      Ukrainian experts on downed passenger aircraft are the most experienced in the world. Themselves won over how many beat them ..

      Well, you need to show yourself loved, so that the whole world speaks about us. And here is where these "experts" were when the TU-154 was shot down. Interesting ?
      1. 4ekist
        4ekist 17 January 2020 11: 33
        +3
        And then these experts successfully applied their skills in August 2008 in South Ossetia, Georgia. And now they live not in poverty, they have received apartments and orders.
      2. major147
        major147 17 January 2020 11: 50
        +3
        Quote: tihonmarine
        And here is where these "experts" were when the TU-154 was shot down. Interesting ?

        They learned from their "supporters". Those "successfully" conducted an "investigation" against the claim for compensation from Aeroflot for the downed plane am , refused, stop because they didn’t shoot down any airplane! feel belay
    5. major147
      major147 17 January 2020 11: 36
      +1
      Quote: Jovanni
      Ukrainian experts

      They voiced the version indicated by them striped owners.
    6. Karaul73
      Karaul73 17 January 2020 13: 56
      +1
      Do not fly to Ukraine. They will knock everything down.
  2. Operator
    Operator 17 January 2020 10: 59
    +5
    Is there really a reason for jamming a Boeing transponder by a third party? laughing
    1. Invoce
      Invoce 17 January 2020 11: 08
      +5
      Probably jamming the transponder is one of the stages of the operation to discredit the IRGC and Iran
    2. KCA
      KCA 17 January 2020 11: 42
      +2
      I’m not familiar with transponders, but it’s logical to assume that they work in a strict frequency range, of course, no unpredictable frequency change, drown out a specific object like two fingers on asphalt
    3. Avior
      Avior 17 January 2020 12: 07
      0
      when jamming the transponder, he would have disappeared from the radar flight, but he would not have disappeared.
      There is still no transponder signal receiver on the Torah
      1. Operator
        Operator 17 January 2020 13: 10
        +4
        And that - even after the crash of the Boeing, the signal did not disappear? laughing

        And at the Iranian air defense base, located directly under the flight route from Tehran International Airport, there is no Internet and access to the FlightRadar website "- how have they still not shot down a bunch of civilian aircraft? laughing
        1. Avior
          Avior 17 January 2020 16: 29
          +1
          I do not know. But definitely not on the Torah.
          Tor is a short-range system with a maximum range of all 12 km. literally seconds, maximum tens of seconds- and the target leaves the affected area, once the Internet can play
  3. Dimy4
    Dimy4 17 January 2020 11: 01
    +7
    Ukrainian experts found out the reason before the liner fell.
    1. gurzuf
      gurzuf 17 January 2020 11: 09
      +4
      Well, a Ukrainian expert, from birth - an academician.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 17 January 2020 11: 15
      +7
      Quote: Dimy4
      Ukrainian experts found out the reason before the liner fell.

      Or maybe even before take-off.
      1. major147
        major147 17 January 2020 11: 52
        +2
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: Dimy4
        Ukrainian experts found out the reason before the liner fell.

        Or maybe even before take-off.

        Why be surprised !? The wreckage of the "Donbass" Boeing was still falling, and the giblets were already screaming at full speed that "Russia had shot down"!
        1. mikstepanenko
          mikstepanenko 17 January 2020 20: 49
          +1
          And the record of the "negotiations of the Donetsk terrorists" where they "confessed" that they had shot down a civilian plane was published on YouTube two hours before the event. And edited from real scraps of negotiations the day before.
  4. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 17 January 2020 11: 08
    +5
    They knew the campaign the day before its take-off ... why didn’t they say it?
  5. Mordor
    Mordor 17 January 2020 11: 13
    +7
    The kingdom of heaven is lost. And the authorities of Ukraine, once again PR on the mountain!
    1. Karaul73
      Karaul73 17 January 2020 13: 59
      +1
      Many of those present on the site and writing stupid comments for the sake of pluses are also publicizing on the mountain.
  6. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 17 January 2020 11: 17
    +4
    Who would doubt that! They taught the Sumerians the wheel to do.
  7. askort154
    askort154 17 January 2020 11: 28
    +5
    Later, Iranian representatives asked to film the fragments of the plane and stop filming.

    How did you get there before the representatives of Iran? Usually, the aircraft fall zone is guarded. The Ukrainians themselves in the zone of the fall of MN-17, for several days did not let anyone in, noticing the traces leading to them.
    1. Avior
      Avior 17 January 2020 12: 09
      +2
      actually MH17 fell in the territory of the DPR.
      hi
      1. askort154
        askort154 17 January 2020 13: 37
        +1
        Avior ....actually MH17 fell in the territory of the DPR.

        Annoying memory error crying Thanks for the amendment! hi
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 17 January 2020 12: 07
    +2
    Who would doubt that Ukrainian "experts" are the most expert in the world, especially on civilian aircraft downed. So they submitted information that it can be concluded that without them and their assumptions Iran would not admit guilt. Citizens need to be more modest, more modest.
  9. Jarserge
    Jarserge 17 January 2020 12: 08
    +2
    Clear business. All provocations with Boeing are born in the USA. They told the puppet, along with instructions, to say who to blame ...
  10. Strashila
    Strashila 17 January 2020 12: 22
    0
    Confirm the obvious, cool.
    Only here is the question of why rockets flew into an airplane, Ukraine’s share of responsibility in this.
  11. iouris
    iouris 17 January 2020 12: 54
    +1
    And we continue to wait for the conclusion of the official commission.
  12. orionvitt
    orionvitt 17 January 2020 13: 04
    +2
    Ukrainian experts said they found out the cause of the crash of the Boeing before the Iranians
    Of course, to voice the opinion of the owner in hindsight is a sign of special skill. And yet, before anyone else in the world, they figured out what is the meaning of life and universal happiness. It turns out to be in the Maidan and in the "containment of Russian aggression." And in general, judging by the events of recent years, the concept of "Ukrainian expert" is tantamount to a spherical horse in a vacuum. Have listened.
    1. Aliken
      Aliken 17 January 2020 17: 51
      +1
      In the same company with the "English scientists".
  13. Aliken
    Aliken 17 January 2020 17: 50
    +1
    Braggers. "Experts", hilarious. They stick out here too.
  14. Dizel200
    Dizel200 17 January 2020 18: 05
    0
    What kind of nation is this, Ukrainians ????))))) pah, to be honest it’s somehow unpleasant that they are the same Slavs