Defense Ministry declassified documents on the liberation of Warsaw

Defense Ministry declassified documents on the liberation of Warsaw

The Russian Ministry of Defense has declassified the documents on the liberation of the capital of Poland in 1945. Special section with unique documents from the funds of the Central Archive of the War Department is dedicated to the 75th anniversary of the liberation of Warsaw from the Nazis.


By visiting the website of the Ministry of Defense, the visitor will be able to familiarize himself with a selection of documents on the Warsaw Uprising of 1944. According to the testimonies of the participants in those actions, the uprising was not only poorly prepared, but also carried out with certain political goals. Its organizers from the Craiova Army, supported by the Polish government from London, did not take into account not only the desires of the Polish people, but also the situation at the front and the limited capabilities of the Red Army, which approached the city.

The Polish capital was liberated by the Red Army on January 17, 1945. The scale and bloodshed of the fighting for the city is described in the documents also presented in this section.

About the powerful fascist German defense that the Red Army hacked during the liberation of Warsaw, the frames of the photo album of the operational command of the 1st Belorussian Front "On artillery supplying the breakthrough of the enemy’s defense with troops of the 1st Baltic Fleet from bridgeheads south of Warsaw" tell. The album contains unique photographs of the breakthrough of defense, the consequences of the assault and artillery preparation.

Some of the documents presented in the section are devoted to evidence of barbarism, monstrous atrocities and destruction committed by the German occupiers in Warsaw and its environs.

Warsaw is destroyed. On the streets there is not a single house that is not damaged, entire blocks turned into ruins. There is not a single monument left. The cultural values ​​of the city are destroyed and plundered. Almost every yard has graves, the corpses of tortured Poles are scattered in the streets. On Okopov Street there are grave hills, according to residents, up to 120 thousand Poles killed and burned by the Germans are buried here

- it is spoken in a political report in GLAVPURKKA.

By reading archival documents, one can find out that the Polish inhabitants greeted the Red Army with warmth and joy in the liberated territories.

People greet the Red Army and the Polish army with enthusiasm, spend hours in the streets and squares, warmly greet the passing troops. One has only to turn to one of the inhabitants, as crowds of people form around him

- says the documents of that time.

The Soviet Union rendered Poland tremendous assistance in restoring the economy, as evidenced by archival documents.

Assistance to the Polish population was provided by military units, commandant's offices, warehouses, Departments and divisions of BF Headquarters ... by donating to representatives of local Polish authorities food, property, cattle, uncleaned crops, as well as the restoration of national economic facilities and structures destroyed by German invaders

- the statement says "On the assistance provided to the population of the Polish Republic by the 1st Belorussian Front from August 1944 to May 1945 and by a group of Soviet occupation forces in Germany from May to December 1945."

The Ministry of Defense notes that the publication is aimed at protecting historical truths, counteraction to falsifications of history, attempts to revise the results of World War II.
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  1. Hunter 2 17 January 2020 08: 57 New
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    Why are only declassified after 75 years? It used to be done before!
    In general, fully show the role of Poland in WWII. From its very beginning, with the destruction of Czechoslovakia. Show how the Poles fought in the Wehrmacht and the SS. How they served in concentration camps, how they worked for the good of Germany.
    Of course, the pages of the struggle between the Poles and the Nazis also need to be shown!
    Today will be Dan Salute, in honor of the 75th anniversary of the Liberation of Warsaw !!! It is noteworthy that in Poland itself - this day is no longer a holiday ...
    1. Svetlana 17 January 2020 09: 02 New
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      It is not entirely clear why this was generally kept behind seven seals. Rather, out of habit, but they hid quite a lot than out of necessity.
      1. Mountain shooter 17 January 2020 09: 11 New
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        Quote: Svetlana
        It’s not entirely clear why it was generally kept behind seven seals.

        They took care of the "military fraternity" ... But it’s like that. The disgrace has turned out. He has long been interested in the Warsaw Uprising ... But before this there was an uprising in the Warsaw Ghetto. And few managed to survive - the inhabitants did not help the inhabitants of the Ghetto ... Yes, and the uprising was launched only to declare the London government legitimate and try to play political "gingerbread" ... The military component and the victims of the population were taken into account last.
        1. g1v2 17 January 2020 12: 42 New
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          The uprising was just to take the city before the Soviet troops. So that when the Soviet army approached, then the pro-English government was already sitting in Warsaw. But screwed up and the Germans made him kirdyk.
      2. tihonmarine 17 January 2020 09: 36 New
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        Quote: Svetlana
        It is not entirely clear why this was generally kept behind seven seals. Rather, out of habit, but they hid quite a lot than out of necessity.

        Many things were silent. When did you first hear about the Volyn massacre and how much you read about Bandera atrocities, and in general you may have heard about the Turkestan uprising of 1916-1917 and its victims. The authorities thought that if they stroked the wolf in wool, then it would become a sheep. But the wolf, remained a wolf.
        1. Lipchanin 17 January 2020 10: 34 New
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          Quote: tihonmarine
          Authorities thought

          Yes, not alone .... How many have changed ...
          1. tihonmarine 17 January 2020 10: 53 New
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            Quote: Lipchanin
            Yes, not alone .... How many have changed

            Authorities are changing, but the stereotype embedded once remains.
            1. Lipchanin 17 January 2020 10: 58 New
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              Quote: tihonmarine
              Authorities are changing, but the stereotype embedded once remains.

              Here I am about it.
              It seems like a stereotype: "It’s better to overtake than not to overtake"
              How many pretended that there was no pact. And now, with this pact, those who signed the same with Hitler before us
              1. tihonmarine 17 January 2020 11: 19 New
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                Quote: Lipchanin
                How many pretended that there was no pact. And now, with this pact, those who signed the same with Hitler before us

                They are trying to stab, although some of our tops are being fooled. The value of the pact is that Japan did not enter the war. But nobody wants to see this.
                1. Lipchanin 17 January 2020 11: 22 New
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                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  They are trying to stab, although some of our tops are being fooled.

                  Yes, no one has been doing this for a long time.
                  This is from the series “Give Crimea”
                  1. tihonmarine 17 January 2020 12: 23 New
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                    Quote: Lipchanin
                    Yes, no one has been doing this for a long time.

                    Well, the Poles have been creeping around their ears for a month, and the Balts are yapping.
                    1. Lipchanin 17 January 2020 16: 54 New
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                      Quote: tihonmarine
                      Well, the Poles have been crawling on their ears for a month

                      To whom? Do you feel anything from this squeak?
                      Yes, even let go of diarrhea.
                      I know that my grandfather of the Nazis destroyed there
                      1. tihonmarine 17 January 2020 17: 30 New
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                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        To whom? Do you feel anything from this squeak?
                        Yes, even let go of diarrhea.
                        I know that my grandfather of the Nazis destroyed there

                        My father was wounded in Warsaw, and my grandfather’s brother died, and I don’t want them to squeak.
        2. orionvitt 17 January 2020 13: 10 New
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          Quote: tihonmarine
          But the wolf, remained a wolf.

          Actually, not a wolf, but a jackal. Calling Poland a wolf, a lot of honor.
      3. K-612-O 17 January 2020 09: 39 New
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        There are a lot of interesting documents about the Craiova Army on the site. For the socialist fraternity is not very convenient. Therefore, they were not announced, especially in Soviet times.
        1. Lipchanin 17 January 2020 10: 39 New
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          Quote: K-612-O
          There are a lot of interesting documents about the Craiova Army on the site.

          Yes, if you declassify what was happening in Hungary and Czechoslovakia ...
          On the site I read what they got up there.
          Shoot all who entered except ours.
          I'm talking about 1956 and about 1968. Yes, and there are still people alive who visited there then
          1. tihonmarine 17 January 2020 10: 54 New
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            Quote: Lipchanin
            I'm talking about 1956 and about 1968. Yes, and there are still people alive who visited there then

            In Bratislava, and ours shot.
            1. Lipchanin 17 January 2020 11: 06 New
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              Quote: tihonmarine
              In Bratislava, and ours shot.

              Yes, they shot already when there was no other way out.
              For a long time already on the site told about Czechoslovakia such a story. Witness
              At the airport waiting for the board from Russia. A group of Czechs arrived and had a picnic right on the GDP. They sent ours in all languages.
              For business, the Germans arrived. They saw and went crazy. Came up and demanded to get out. The answer is the same.
              They removed the machine guns from their shoulders, shot them, then they called up a measure of this city by communication and ordered them to remove the corpses.
              No one else approached this airfield.
              I read it on the site. There were a few more similar stories. I just remember this
              1. tihonmarine 17 January 2020 11: 21 New
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                Quote: Lipchanin
                I read it on the site. There were a few more similar stories. I just remember this

                My friend there was a commander of the platoon, he told me.
                1. Lipchanin 17 January 2020 11: 30 New
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                  My friend there was a commander of the platoon, he told me.

                  We have such a military patriotic club "Cheerless". They are engaged in tracing the dead in the Second World War and their reburials. I got into this club when the soldiers were demobilized and they were taken to the club as counselors.
                  And there were those who saw everything with their own eyes.
                  They shot everything at any provocation except ours.
                  By the way, the Poles were also different there.
                  Well, as they said, they allowed to shoot at the very end.
                  And I understand that they don’t like to talk about that much
      4. Lipchanin 17 January 2020 10: 33 New
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        It is not entirely clear why this was generally kept behind seven seals.

        And what's so secret about that?
        the certificate "On assistance to the population of the Republic of Poland by the 1st Belorussian Front from August 1944 to May 1945 and a group of Soviet occupation forces in Germany from May to December 1945" says.

        request
      5. anykin 17 January 2020 11: 54 New
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        True, this is living water.
    2. Mikhail3 17 January 2020 09: 06 New
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      It was not necessary. The Poles were our "friends." And declassification of all documents would lead to the question that would arise - who needs such "friends"? They slaughtered and handed over to the Nazis not only Jews, but also people from the Lyudova’s Army, practically not distracted by any “confrontation with the Germans” there. Not before that ... Since the Soviet Union took Poland into allies, he defended it in every possible way, including hiding the mountains of abominations that were filled up by the Poles in those years.
      And now everything will come out, including the way the AK let its Warsawians under the hammers just to enter paradise on someone else's hump. Hit the Warsaw uprising in the rear of the Germans AFTER the start of our offensive operation, and Warsaw would be intact, and the Poles would die ten times less. But the great strategists from London paved their way, and the fact that the pavements were the corpses of the Warsaw, they did not care ...
      1. Svetlana 17 January 2020 09: 17 New
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        Yes, most likely you are right. This is due to political intrigues, betrayals and numerous unnecessary victims.
      2. Lipchanin 17 January 2020 10: 40 New
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        Quote: Mikhail3
        and they handed over to the Nazis not only Jews, but also people from the Ludova Army

        As well as those who escaped from concentration camps
      3. tihonmarine 17 January 2020 12: 29 New
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        Quote: Mikhail3
        But the great strategists from London paved their way, and the fact that the pavements were the corpses of the Warsaw did not bother them at all.

        They wanted to do everything with the wrong hands, and to appropriate the victory for themselves, and enter Warsaw on a white horse.
    3. tihonmarine 17 January 2020 09: 27 New
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      Quote: Hunter 2
      Why are only declassified after 75 years? It used to be done before!
      In general, fully show the role of Poland in WWII.

      Because all the time they tried to make a yard dog out of a jackal.
      1. Lipchanin 17 January 2020 10: 41 New
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        Quote: tihonmarine
        Because all the time they tried to make a yard dog out of a jackal.

        Yes, they didn’t try.
        Pretended not to notice who it is
    4. Vend 17 January 2020 10: 10 New
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      Quote: Hunter 2
      Why are only declassified after 75 years? It used to be done before!
      In general, fully show the role of Poland in WWII. From its very beginning, with the destruction of Czechoslovakia. Show how the Poles fought in the Wehrmacht and the SS. How they served in concentration camps, how they worked for the good of Germany.
      Of course, the pages of the struggle between the Poles and the Nazis also need to be shown!
      Today will be Dan Salute, in honor of the 75th anniversary of the Liberation of Warsaw !!! It is noteworthy that in Poland itself - this day is no longer a holiday ...

      I have the same question. What is there so secret. The truth cannot be hushed up
    5. Vladislav_2 17 January 2020 12: 45 New
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      someday Germany, "digging through its archives" will also shed light on all THIS !!! ... although it will not be very beneficial for it. but hope dies last
    6. Incvizitor 17 January 2020 13: 23 New
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      in Poland itself - this day is no longer a holiday ...

      There is nothing for them to celebrate, all the same they are again under the fascists and again lay down under them.
    7. iaroslav.mudryi 17 January 2020 13: 54 New
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      Quote: Hunter 2
      Why are only declassified after 75 years? It used to be done before!
      In general, fully show the role of Poland in WWII. From its very beginning, with the destruction of Czechoslovakia.


      Archives love silence. But in conditions when the collective West is trying to rewrite history, it is brazenly lying, dodgy trying to reduce the role of the Soviet soldier in the destruction of fascism, and it is precisely then that the Main Caliber — historical documents — is taken out of the archives.

      Opening of archives goes according to a strictly approved plan, and not spontaneously. Today, the Moscow Region declassified documents in honor of the 75th anniversary of the liberation of Warsaw. Here are the dates when salutes will be given in Moscow in honor of the 75th anniversary of the liberation of cities:
      February 13, 2020 the liberation of Budapest;
      April 4, 2020 the liberation of Bratislava;
      April 13, 2020 the liberation of Vienna;
      May 2, 2020 the liberation of Berlin;
      May 9, 2020 the liberation of Prague.
      More details on the MO website https://www.mil.ru/files/files/liberation_of_cities/index.html

      And yet, the Defense Ministry opened the most valuable archives - participants of the Great Patriotic War, our grandfathers and grandmothers, our relatives, heroes of the war, where everyone can find award sheets, orders, a description of the heroic deed and combat path of their relative-hero - on the website of the Defense Ministry https://pamyat-naroda.ru

      And on the next MO site (all sites have a single base) - The memory road https://foto.pamyat-naroda.ru it is possible - it is necessary !!! send a photo of the WWII participant and the hero’s story from the family archive (you need to register your personal account on the site). ALL photos and materials of WWII participants who are in the database will be eternally inscribed in history - they will appear in the multimedia museum at the memorial near the main temple under construction in the Patriot Park. Details here: http://doroga.mil.ru

      Here it is - OUR MAIN CALIBER - not to the teeth of any west!
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    9. Wolf 18 January 2020 12: 38 New
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      They hid it, if they were to tell the full TRUTH, according to WWII everyone will find out that Hitler first destroyed the Slavs, and the Jews and the Gypsies along the way. AND ON THE FIRST TIME ORTHODOX AND SLAVIC PA TO THE CATHOLIC SLAVAN. AND THAT ALL CATHOLIC AND PROTESTANTA EUROPE HELPED THIS EMU IN THIS, AND THE USA WASN'T WRONG UNTIL THE MOMENT WHEN HE SAW STALIN WILL RELEASE ALL EUROPE !!!


      ESLI TELL COMPLETELY THE TRUTH THE WEIGHT WILL HUMAN HISTORICALLY MIRACLE ON WHICH A MODERN WORLD LIES!
      1. Wolf 18 January 2020 12: 45 New
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        AND THAT THE VATICAN AND THE Catholic Church were Hitler's fellow practitioners in the destruction of the orthodox Slavs, and their claire killed the liude in the place with the Nazi soldiers! AND THAT BECAUSE THE VATICAN ORGANIZED ASYLUMES FOR THE NAZI ZLOSINETS TO BE SECURE OF ONE PUNISHMENT !!!
        1. Wolf 18 January 2020 12: 53 New
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          AND WHAT TZV. COMMUNIST (Trotskyist) J. Broz Tito kept until May 1945. He will open the scary end CAMP WWII JASENOVAC IN CROATIA WHERE IN THE FIRST TIME THE FIRST TIME DESTRUCTED THE ORTHODOXES OF THE PEOPLE OF SERBS, PA JEWS AND GYPSANS. JAASENOVC IS NOT ACHIEVED BY THE NUMBER OF KILLING PEOPLE FOR AUSHWITZ (AUSCHIVES). NEMCI WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL IN AUSHWITZ WILL ACHIEVE THE PERFORMANCE OF KILLING PEOPLE IN YASENOVS FROM THE TREASURES WHICH THE VATICAN AND THE CATHOLIC CLAIR SUPPORTED !!!
    10. georggy 19 January 2020 04: 47 New
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      Daddy Duda, remember.
      Chauffeur in the SS
  2. Anton Yu 17 January 2020 08: 59 New
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    It was not necessary to free Europe
    1. Ingvar 72 17 January 2020 09: 03 New
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      And how was it necessary to get to Germany?
      1. Anton Yu 17 January 2020 09: 05 New
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        why is it needed?
        1. Flooding 17 January 2020 09: 34 New
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          Quote: Anton Yu
          why is it needed?

          The school will explain
          1. Anton Yu 17 January 2020 09: 35 New
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            the answer is a person with collective-farm thinking, who knows only how to set cons.
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 17 January 2020 09: 44 New
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              No. The answer exactly matches the question. Your misunderstanding of why Europe should have been liberated indicates a complete lack of historical knowledge, even within the framework of the school curriculum. And explain it to you here ... Is it necessary? Generally speaking, the level of VO implies at least a minimum possession of military history
            2. Flooding 17 January 2020 09: 45 New
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              Quote: Anton Yu
              the answer is a person with collective-farm thinking, who knows only how to set cons.

              Baby, I minus extremely rarely. And only rare fools. You are not on the list of outstanding individuals. For now, anyway.
              Although the conjecture is true partly true. I have rural roots, "collective farm".
              Explain to uncle what is wrong with that?
              Well, the answer is what question. What did you expect?
              1. Lipchanin 17 January 2020 10: 43 New
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                Quote: Flood
                What did you expect?

                Probably educational program
            3. Piramidon 17 January 2020 10: 39 New
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              Quote: Anton Yu
              the answer of a person with collective-farm thinking

              Will you be a nobleman yourself?
            4. Lipchanin 17 January 2020 10: 42 New
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              Quote: Anton Yu
              able to set only cons

              Yes, not one puts
            5. victor50 18 January 2020 18: 39 New
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              Quote: Anton Yu
              the answer is a person with collective-farm thinking, who knows only how to set cons.

              And you are not one of those who believe that Leningrad needed to be surrendered?
          2. tihonmarine 17 January 2020 10: 20 New
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            Quote: Flood
            The school will explain

            This is our misfortune. We need to think for ourselves, not hope for school.
            1. Flooding 17 January 2020 10: 35 New
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              Quote: tihonmarine
              This is our misfortune. We need to think for ourselves, not hope for school.

              You need to learn to think. Or do you think this is an absolutely independent and independent process? Books can not be read too?
              1. tihonmarine 17 January 2020 11: 01 New
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                Quote: Flood
                You need to learn to think. Or do you think this is an absolutely independent and independent process? Books can not be read too?

                I just said about school, it gives a minimum. But if you are interested in some question, then you yourself will begin to study it, delve into it, and that means you will begin to think. And when you do this for a long time, then you have your own opinion. (But this is my opinion, but it may differ from others).
                1. Flooding 17 January 2020 11: 13 New
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                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  I just said about school, it gives a minimum

                  Necessary the minimum that is difficult to do without in our time.
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  But if you are interested in some question, then you yourself will begin to study it, delve into it, and that means you will begin to think

                  It is hard to imagine such a picture. Something a hundred years ago, when there was no universal education, such a scheme did not work very well. This option does not work for the total mass. In addition, there is no guarantee that a person will read the necessary books (remember Vysotsky?), Will think in the right direction and draw the right conclusions. Otherwise, how to explain the crazy currents, hobbies, sects, ideas?
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  And when you do this for a long time, then you have your own opinion.

                  Of course. And God forbid that such an opinion or conviction was at least safe for others.
                  1. tihonmarine 17 January 2020 11: 25 New
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                    Quote: Flood
                    Of course. And God forbid that such an opinion or conviction was at least safe for others.

                    People do not die of opinion, but if it is an end in itself, then it is already dangerous.
                  2. Glory1974 17 January 2020 11: 40 New
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                    In addition, there is no guarantee that a person will read the necessary books (remember Vysotsky?), Will think in the right direction and draw the right conclusions.

                    Read one book and you will have the opinion of the author.
                    Read one hundred books and you will have your opinion.
                    1. Flooding 17 January 2020 12: 06 New
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                      Quote: glory1974
                      Read one book and you will have the opinion of the author.
                      Read one hundred books and you will have your opinion.

                      Another valuable piece of advice that is not applicable to most people.
                      And who will choose books to read?
        2. Alex Justice 17 January 2020 18: 09 New
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          why is it needed?

          The generals could make a separate peace with America, surrender Hitler, and with all their might, having an atomic bomb, destroy Russia.
          Who would pay reparations, who would take out machines, equipment, technologies, scientists, stolen masterpieces, etc.?
    2. tihonmarine 17 January 2020 09: 42 New
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      Quote: Anton Yu
      It was not necessary to free Europe

      I’ve written hundreds of times already, but people don’t understand, they think that Europe will change its mind and become our friends. They spit vomit in our face, but we silently wipe ourselves and sing our song again. It’s nice to see so many minuses, so we hit on the quick.
      1. Anton Yu 17 January 2020 10: 00 New
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        And don’t try to explain something to fools. After the Soviet troops crossed the border, the Germans could be offered a separate peace on their own terms. And they would go to him and fulfill all the conditions completely. But there’s no point in trying to explain this to a bumpkin who is happy with deadwood.
        1. Avior 17 January 2020 10: 08 New
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          What kind of separate world are you going to propose to Hitler?
          What are the conditions?
          1. Anton Yu 17 January 2020 10: 13 New
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            Compensate for the damage caused, return the captured military and civilian, the return of stolen property. extradition of war criminals.
            Specialists would easily make a list. And the Germans would have done everything. Do not consider them fools who unleashed a world war, but did not understand the consequences.
            1. Avior 17 January 2020 10: 15 New
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              And Hitler with his closest associates would obediently go to the Soviet court

              I do not consider them fools
              1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 17 January 2020 11: 05 New
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                A similar option was impossible in principle. Although he’s not that stupid - if Germany capitulated at 44, there would have been far fewer victims
                1. tihonmarine 17 January 2020 11: 50 New
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                  Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                  Although he’s not that stupid - if Germany capitulated at 44, there would have been far fewer victims

                  So I’m thinking about this and how many victims we suffered from the 44th to the 45th.
                  Irretrievable losses:
                  • in Poland - 600212 people;
                  • in Czechoslovakia - 139918 people;
                  • in Hungary - 140004 people;
                  • in Germany - 101961 people;
                  • in Romania - 68993 people;
                  • in Austria - 26006 people;
                  • in Yugoslavia - 7995 people;
                  • in Norway - 3436 people;
                  • in Bulgaria - 977 people;
                  Let us pray for them, peace be upon their souls. And they could stay alive.
                  1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 17 January 2020 12: 14 New
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                    They could, but the whole question is that for this it was necessary for Germany to capitulate, moreover, unconditionally. Any other option would subsequently lead to even greater victims.
                    The Germans were completely unprepared to capitulate
                  2. Anton Yu 17 January 2020 16: 33 New
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                    Why would they write about more than a million dead. They don't give a damn about at least 10 million. They don’t give a damn that these countries had to be restored at our expense, sending food, grain, livestock, and fuel there. And some still received resources at preferential prices until the collapse of the USSR. And what is the result?
                    1. tihonmarine 17 January 2020 17: 18 New
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                      Quote: Anton Yu
                      And what is the result?

                      Fascism has revived, and formerly freed from captivity are now friends with the vanquished and spit on the winner. Or maybe I'm wrong, everyone loves and thanks us?
                      1. Anton Yu 17 January 2020 17: 28 New
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                        He not only revived, he did not disappear anywhere. He slowly but surely rewrites the history of that war. With the help of their allies and partners, despite the fact that some were their victims. Now the USSR is equated with fascist Germany, but it will not pass and Germany will not be among the guilty 100 years. And who will be accused of killing a million Europeans, Khatyn and others? Who writes the story that almost the whole world is studying? Who reads a story written by Russian historians?
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              "Compensate for the damage," but you're completely off the coils. How to compensate for the damage in 20 million. person. How can you compensate for damage to a child whose blood was sucked so that German soldiers do not suffer from furunculosis. Dude, you’re just trying to humanize Nazism, and the question creeps in me: are you on a paycheck. If not, then you’re one of those who are simply called “Judas.”
            3. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 17 January 2020 11: 04 New
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              Happy Hitler would receive a reprieve, knock out the Anglo-Americans from the continent, restore power whenever possible, and then he would have to start where he finished, but with a much worse balance of power and without allies.
              As I wrote above, you need to study history at least within the school curriculum. This gives a minimal understanding of the relationship of historical events.
              1. novel66 17 January 2020 12: 10 New
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                By the way, Aloizych could well have time to finish the nuclear bomb, and you can not guess for a long time who they would test it on
                1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 17 January 2020 12: 17 New
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                  It is unlikely that nuclear, nevertheless, the Germans had work on it at an early stage. But in 1946 it would have been quite realistic to encounter a reactive Luftwaffe. Do we need it? (It was a rhetorical question)
                  1. novel66 17 January 2020 12: 18 New
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                    also little joy ... and Fau in Moscow and Leningrad
            4. Mikhail3 17 January 2020 12: 21 New
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              Then, within a couple of years, Hitler would have prepared ten times more military equipment, because all European industry was in his hands, would have prepared ten times more soldiers, having carried out a leisurely, thoughtful set in the occupied countries, would have trained the soldiers with the help of fought veterans, and would have piled on again.
              He would have partially dispersed the British and Americans during this time (he would have surely kicked the Americans out from everywhere except America itself), and partially destroyed it. The same England would have captured without question.
              Since we built all our enterprises with our hump, and our population would not increase, what would happen? A little ashamed to explain all this ... how old are you?
          2. Anton Yu 17 January 2020 10: 14 New
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            I’ll leave for work now, I will answer questions in the evening.
            1. Avior 17 January 2020 10: 30 New
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              You can not waste time.
              It is very naive for you that it all looks completely unrealistic.
              The allies against Hitler had much less complaints than the USSR, it would have been much easier for him to make peace with them, which he tried. And if the USSR had just begun negotiations with Hitler on a separate peace, Contrary to an agreement with the Allies on complete and unconditional surrender and the absence of separate peace agreements, this would immediately open the way for the Allies to conclude peace with him.
            2. Lipchanin 17 January 2020 11: 33 New
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              Quote: Anton Yu
              I will answer questions in the evening

              In the queue to register? laughing
              Leave the phone number of the receptionist and secretary laughing
        2. Lipchanin 17 January 2020 10: 46 New
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          Quote: Anton Yu
          After the Soviet troops crossed the border, the Germans could be offered a separate peace on their own terms.

          And Japan and all satellites?
          And with Hitler "pipe the world" smoke "
          But is it that the inferior is worse than a real enemy?
          1. Okolotochny 17 January 2020 12: 36 New
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            Comrade read a book of fantasy products, something like "Nicht Capituliren."
        3. Flooding 17 January 2020 10: 48 New
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          Quote: Anton Yu
          But don’t try to explain something to fools

          Quote: Anton Yu
          But there’s no point in trying to explain this to a bumpkin who is happy with deadwood.

          There is certainly a "-". I tried, well done. Poisonous glands completely devastated?
        4. tihonmarine 17 January 2020 10: 48 New
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          Quote: Anton Yu
          After the Soviet troops crossed the border, the Germans could be offered a separate peace on their own terms.

          This is not possible to explain, they will not understand.
        5. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 17 January 2020 11: 09 New
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          Yes, at 44 you had to throw all the allies, understand and forgive the Germans and kiss your gums with Hitler on the procedure for concluding a separate peace ... wassat
          1. novel66 17 January 2020 11: 19 New
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            after Khatyn and Babi Yar ?? hardly possible, the people are already brutalized
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 17 January 2020 11: 45 New
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              I myself am shocked by such statements. Pepsi generation burns with napalm ...
            2. Lipchanin 17 January 2020 11: 45 New
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              Quote: novel xnumx
              after Khatyn and Babi Yar ?? hardly possible, the people are already brutalized

              They didn’t know much about it then.
              Beasts of funeral and "new order"
              I can’t imagine how my 2 grandfathers and fascists became friends
              My grandfather, who was knocked down in a tank 3 times just near Warsaw, did not digest the word German.
              It was an ENEMY. and do not finish it
              Novel hi
              1. novel66 17 January 2020 12: 05 New
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                hi earrings! hi Well, I’m somewhere about this, by the way, the soldiers often faced the consequences of the “new order” on the liberated land, after which they didn’t take prisoners
            3. tihonmarine 17 January 2020 13: 04 New
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              Quote: novel xnumx
              after Khatyn and Babi Yar ?? hardly possible, the people are already brutalized

              And so Europe was liberated, and they got a war with Japan.
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                Quote: tihonmarine
                Quote: novel xnumx
                after Khatyn and Babi Yar ?? hardly possible, the people are already brutalized

                And so Europe was liberated, and they got a war with Japan.

                The greatness of the ancestors does not rest? To cover with mud and thereby to exalt himself?
          2. Anton Yu 17 January 2020 16: 38 New
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            And I did not call to justify Hitler. More atrocities were committed precisely by supporters of fascists from the local population. How did you judge Hitler and that he repented at the trial?
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 17 January 2020 20: 59 New
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              Quote: Anton Yu
              And I did not call to justify Hitler.

              No, you proposed a separate world. This peace could only be concluded with Hitler, no one else, since even in 1944 there were no political forces in Germany capable of competing with him and deposing him.
              Quote: Anton Yu
              More atrocities were committed precisely by supporters of fascists from the local population.

              Yeah :)))) After mastering the history books, read about ... Well, let's say, the collection of documents "SS in action". In order to know a little history, and not fantasize about historical topics.
              And yes, do not leave the topic, please. Because the question is not who was the most atrocious (I suggest the Germans), the question is not who put the physical destruction of people on the stream and created all the prerequisites, encouraged these atrocities. The question is about the consequences of the proposed separate peace.
              Quote: Anton Yu
              How did you judge Hitler and that he repented at the trial?

              No, they didn’t judge, he committed suicide. It’s very bad that you don’t even know this
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              2. Anton Yu 17 January 2020 21: 56 New
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                I know how Hitler finished. And it’s not me who invented the trial of him, but your licking. So this vyser is not protected.
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                  Quote: Anton Yu
                  And it’s not me who invented the trial of him, but your licking. So this vyser is not protected.

                  I recognize Brother Fedya :)))) There is nothing to say on the topic, a tantrum has begun.
                  Baby, learn to swear first :)
      2. novel66 17 January 2020 10: 29 New
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        Well, why the hell should I write? Europe itself didn’t need anybody to fuck, but if the fascists had not finished off by stopping at the border, the war would very soon come again, some kind of kindergarten, right.
        1. Piramidon 17 January 2020 10: 45 New
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          Quote: novel xnumx
          if the fascists had not finished off, stopping at the border, the war would very soon come again

          And on a much larger scale. Our allies (England and the USA) would hardly be on our side.
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          Quote: novel xnumx
          stopping at the border - the war would very soon come again, some kind of kindergarten, right.

          Not sure, rather the opposite.
    3. K-612-O 17 January 2020 09: 47 New
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      The allies did not seek to free her, but as they tried in the Ardennes they got it in tinsel. In this way war would go on for another 5 years, and how many more Soviet soldiers would die. You read a textbook of history.
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        So Makar, the war would go on for another 5 years, and how many more Soviet soldiers would die.

        Not convinced.
  3. Valery Valery 17 January 2020 09: 00 New
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    Well, again, the gentry will take offense at us .... drooling, squirting will start to start.
    1. tihonmarine 17 January 2020 09: 44 New
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      Quote: Valery Valery


      Well, she’s already offended by us for some 700 years or more.
  4. Basil50 17 January 2020 09: 05 New
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    It would be worth declassifying HOW EXACTLY Poland was created by the Austrians and Germans.
    It would be worth declassifying how the Poles destroyed RUSSIAN people, regardless of their political beliefs. On the western outskirts of the former RUSSIAN EMPIRE, RUSSIAN people were killed with the help of the police and the army.
    Today, there are a lot of things about the * genocide of the Armenians * and about the * genocide * of the Jews, but few people mention ALL RUSSIAN people in the most brutal ways.
    The genocide of RUSSIAN people was and it is NECESSARY to remind about it. Including CITIZENS OF RUSSIA, they would know HOW exactly as a result of ethnic * purges * countries were created on the outskirts of the former RUSSIAN EMPIRE ..
    1. Basil50 17 January 2020 12: 14 New
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      for deb .... in (including 78)
      Austrians and Germans occupied the western outskirts of the RUSSIAN EMPIRE during WWII.
      When Austria and Germany surrendered, very independent countries appeared in the territories they occupied.
      How exactly and who created these countries and Poles and other Balts with Finns are secret.
      How the genocide of RUSSIAN people went on in these countries is also being kept secret. As soon as questions arise regarding the genocide of RUSSIAN people, they immediately begin to suffer from amnesia. Although he recently read in the Polish media about the right of the Poles to seize land in the east and much more ...
  5. Romka 17 January 2020 09: 18 New
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    Happy holiday! My grandfather participated in this battle. He was wounded. He survived.
    1. tihonmarine 17 January 2020 09: 48 New
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      Quote: Romka
      My grandfather participated in this battle. He was wounded. He survived.

      My father was also wounded in Warsaw, then Spandau, also wounded.
      1. Romka 17 January 2020 10: 13 New
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        Yes ... what do you think that generation had to go through ...
  6. Ratmir_Ryazan 17 January 2020 09: 25 New
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    The Poles did not have enough memory for 100 years.

    Although the pro-Western politicians are in charge of the whole Russophobic process in Poland, of course, the population of Poland is mostly indifferent to what was there before.
    1. tihonmarine 17 January 2020 10: 27 New
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      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      and the people of Poland for the most part do not care what happened before.

      Well, according to the Polish site participants, I would not say about indifference, but rather about aggressiveness.
  7. Gennady Fomkin 17 January 2020 09: 41 New
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    Cavalryman Ayushiev Batomunko Ayushievich:

    “Near Warsaw we often met with the Polish army of Kosciuszko Grigorovich. Soldiers and officers wore Polish uniforms, they had triangular or quadrangular caps. The soldiers were called the "pan of the sandwiches." The Polish spring-flowers were funny guys, everyone spoke Russian well, as the army was forming in our Soviet Union. They said that when the Germans found out that the Poles were in front of them, they specially increased the pressure on them. The Poles were forced to flee and at the same time shouted: "Here the Russians will come, they will beat you properly." After the battles near Warsaw, we no longer met them. ” laughing
    1. Avior 17 January 2020 10: 00 New
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      . with the Polish army Kosciuszko Grigorovich

      And what kind of army is this? 1 Polish army took part in the liberation of Warsaw, but such does not appear there, there is only the division of Tadeusz Kosciuszko, but this is not at all. What kind of army is that?
      1. tihonmarine 17 January 2020 10: 34 New
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        there is only the division of Tadeusz Kosciuszko, but that’s not at all. What kind of army is that?

        Most likely it was, for the Kosciuszko Division received the name Warsaw. Well, so that you would like from the village boy of my fellow countryman from the Chita region that he would know then what we know now. He wrote what he saw with his eyes, and it is not necessary to judge him by our standards.
        1. Avior 17 January 2020 10: 45 New
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          You can explain anything.
          If it was Kosciuszko’s division, then it was formed in a mix of Soviet and Polish soldiers, and it’s very strange to hear from them, to start fighting even in the USSR, and fought bravely, and the accusation is clearly baseless
          So it’s clearly not about Kostyushko’s division, not to mention the army-division is not the same thing, and political activists at the front must have told the Polish fighter Kostyushko repeatedly, so that they wouldn’t be mistaken from the most deaf village, each political information was remembered.
          I would like to hear from the author of the post what he wrote ....
          hi
    2. Lipchanin 17 January 2020 11: 11 New
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      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Cavalryman Ayushiev Batomunko Ayushievich:

      “Near Warsaw we often met with the Polish army of Kosciuszko Grigorovich. Soldiers and officers wore Polish uniforms, they had triangular or quadrangular caps. The soldiers were called the "pan of the sandwiches." The Polish spring-flowers were funny guys, everyone spoke Russian well, as the army was forming in our Soviet Union. They said that when the Germans found out that the Poles were in front of them, they specially increased the pressure on them. The Poles were forced to flee and at the same time shouted: "Here the Russians will come, they will beat you properly." After the battles near Warsaw, we no longer met them. ” laughing

      Yes, 100 pounds it was. The fairy tale about "Three Poles, Georgians and a Dog" was invented for this. AT
      They fought laughing
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  8. Gennady Fomkin 17 January 2020 09: 49 New
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    Not well, but what? After all, everything was normal - the Jews, along with the Nazis, were genocide in a touching unity, and then the evil soviet came and destroyed such a touching idyll! Nababudim-niprastim! laughing
    1. bars1 17 January 2020 09: 58 New
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      Well, judging by the attitude of the Poles towards the 75th anniversary of the liberation of Warsaw, this is the case.
      1. tihonmarine 17 January 2020 11: 09 New
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        Quote: bars1
        Well, judging by the attitude of the Poles towards the 75th anniversary of the liberation of Warsaw, this is the case.

        And it couldn’t be otherwise.
      2. Lipchanin 17 January 2020 11: 12 New
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        Well, judging by the attitude of the Poles towards the 75th anniversary of the liberation of Warsaw

        And to the liberation of Auschwitz.
  9. Gennady Fomkin 17 January 2020 10: 01 New
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    Poland occupies an inappropriate place in Russian politics. There are too many Poland, which absolutely does not correspond to the small value of this country for Russia. For us, Poland is just another country with the letter "P". Type of Portugal or Pakistan.

    We have nothing to talk about with Poland - there are no actual essential common interests other than transit and the border with the Kaliningrad region. And there are no potential areas of interaction: the Poles simply have nothing to offer us what is really necessary. Well, all their servile "geopolitics" is formed by the masters in Washington and Brussels

    Sturgeon needs to be curtailed: to discuss exclusively transit issues with the honored panes and booths in Moscow. And do not let the doorstep on any issues anymore - serious matters are decided with the owners, and not with the slaves. And no schizophrenic ravings of the Polish-strong people can not be relayed endlessly to Russia - just as the quacks of political schizics from other countries are not relayed to "P" like Papua or Panama.

    Polish films will be brought to the festival - good. They won’t bring it - almost no one will remember.

    And feasible and within the competence of the Poles questions of "investment" in three slices of sausages at a meat factory or a hectare of apple orchard, and any such other "cross-border cooperation" may well be solved at the level of the administration of the border Kaliningrad region.
    1. Lipchanin 17 January 2020 11: 13 New
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      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      : the Poles just have nothing to really offer us

      Apples that gallop from them there laughing
  10. Avior 17 January 2020 10: 05 New
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    In my opinion, you just need to declassify all the Documents, 75 years have passed after the Victory, and not give them out in selected pieces for some dates.
    So that no one could stutter, they hide the truth.
  11. smaug78 17 January 2020 10: 16 New
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    Quote: Vasily50
    It would be worth declassifying HOW EXACTLY Poland was created by the Austrians and Germans.
    It would be worth declassifying how the Poles destroyed RUSSIAN people, regardless of their political beliefs. On the western outskirts of the former RUSSIAN EMPIRE, RUSSIAN people were killed with the help of the police and the army.
    Today, there are a lot of things about the * genocide of the Armenians * and about the * genocide * of the Jews, but few people mention ALL RUSSIAN people in the most brutal ways.
    The genocide of RUSSIAN people was and it is NECESSARY to remind about it. Including CITIZENS OF RUSSIA, they would know HOW exactly as a result of ethnic * purges * countries were created on the outskirts of the former RUSSIAN EMPIRE ..

    And how do you know this, if the documents are classified?))) I’m again convinced that the patriot is no better than a liberal ...
  12. rotmistr60 17 January 2020 10: 21 New
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    One can already hear how Polish brains creaked, deciding how to respond to such a "distortion" of Polish history. Probably once again a group of Russophobes in the European Parliament will make another "FI" of Russia and equate to something. It is simply necessary at least once a week to poke archival documents in the nose of this European rubbish, and not only in Poland, but also in the Baltic states, Romania, Hungary ... Messrs. Of Eastern Europe have gone too far in their anti-Russian impudence.
  13. Lord of the Sith 17 January 2020 10: 52 New
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    The gentry cannot be taught anything at all. How many didn’t beat them, all to no purpose.

    If they had waited for the Soviet troops, there would have been no monstrous losses.
  14. 1536 17 January 2020 10: 56 New
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    Quote: Svetlana
    It is not entirely clear why this was generally kept behind seven seals. Rather, out of habit, but they hid quite a lot than out of necessity.

    Documented facts about the Warsaw uprising at the end of 1944 and the liberation of Warsaw by the Red Army and the Polish Army at the beginning of 1945 were always known. On their basis, films were made, books were written, and historical research was conducted. In Soviet times, the Poles were considered friends, allies, "brothers in arms." I still believe that Poland has made an invaluable contribution to the fight against fascist Germany in the Second World War. And to divide the Poles into "those" and "these" is illogical and stupid. They are what they are. They thought, raising an uprising in Warsaw in August 1944, that the Red Army would come to their aid? Certainly thought, waited, hoped. But the bloodless units of the Red Army physically could not come to the aid of the rebels. Did you know this on the streets of Warsaw? No. But on Downing Street 10 in London they knew for sure. Nevertheless, the initiative of the Polish government in exile on the beginning of the uprising precisely in this period, the British government supported. Then they would help themselves ... but to the question whether the British are able to help anyone in principle, it is possible to answer firmly: "no"? The principle of Britain is always and everywhere: "Go ahead, eagles, and I am behind you, I will stand behind your backs with my chest" has always been the main one in the politics of this country. As a result, by the end of October 1944, the Warsaw Uprising was barbarously crushed by the Nazis. So it is today. In Washington and in London, they are well aware that no one in Russia is going to attack Poland, that almost everyone in our country considers the Poles "brothers in arms" in that war. Apparently, again on the streets of Varashava, alas, they do not know about this or have thoroughly forgotten. And they take the same careless steps that they already took 75 years ago. What can I say? Only blame themselves for the fact that the British lie still outweighs the truth and elementary logic in the modern world. So, let the British government first open its archives and tell the world why they pushed the Polish government in exile to actions that ended in disaster. Why, for example, Vladislav Sikorsky, Prime Minister of Poland in exile, died on July 4, 1943 in a plane crash over the Atlantic. And there are many other secrets stored in the archives of Britain and the USA. Call: British and Americans, open your archives about the Second World War! Open all archives and without any restrictions.
  15. Tusv 17 January 2020 11: 17 New
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    All is correct. The krai army and the human army are atstoy. Army Polish forever
  16. maden.usmanow 17 January 2020 11: 31 New
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    In 75 years!
    This is not even funny. And then they go wondering why no one knows the truth.
  17. Jarserge 17 January 2020 12: 12 New
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    For such documents, the Polish authorities have blindness like the cat Basilio and the "girl" memory
  18. frizzy 17 January 2020 13: 24 New
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    It was not necessary for Belarusians to free Warsaw (1-Belarussian front). It was necessary to go around bypassing☻☻☻☻
  19. GenNick 17 January 2020 21: 40 New
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    Quote: iaroslav.mudryi
    Quote: Hunter 2
    Why are only declassified after 75 years? It used to be done before!
    In general, fully show the role of Poland in WWII. From its very beginning, with the destruction of Czechoslovakia.


    Archives love silence. But in conditions when the collective West is trying to rewrite history, it is brazenly lying, dodgy trying to reduce the role of the Soviet soldier in the destruction of fascism, and it is precisely then that the Main Caliber — historical documents — is taken out of the archives.

    Opening of archives goes according to a strictly approved plan, and not spontaneously. Today, the Moscow Region declassified documents in honor of the 75th anniversary of the liberation of Warsaw. Here are the dates when salutes will be given in Moscow in honor of the 75th anniversary of the liberation of cities:
    February 13, 2020 the liberation of Budapest;
    April 4, 2020 the liberation of Bratislava;
    April 13, 2020 the liberation of Vienna;
    May 2, 2020 the liberation of Berlin;
    May 9, 2020 the liberation of Prague.
    More details on the MO website https://www.mil.ru/files/files/liberation_of_cities/index.html

    And yet, the Defense Ministry opened the most valuable archives - participants of the Great Patriotic War, our grandfathers and grandmothers, our relatives, heroes of the war, where everyone can find award sheets, orders, a description of the heroic deed and combat path of their relative-hero - on the website of the Defense Ministry https://pamyat-naroda.ru

    And on the next MO site (all sites have a single base) - The memory road https://foto.pamyat-naroda.ru it is possible - it is necessary !!! send a photo of the WWII participant and the hero’s story from the family archive (you need to register your personal account on the site). ALL photos and materials of WWII participants who are in the database will be eternally inscribed in history - they will appear in the multimedia museum at the memorial near the main temple under construction in the Patriot Park. Details here: http://doroga.mil.ru

    Here it is - OUR MAIN CALIBER - not to the teeth of any west!

    That's right. I found here another father’s award, who, in childhood, successfully played
  20. GenNick 17 January 2020 21: 45 New
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    It was not necessary for Belarusians to free Warsaw (1-Belarussian front). It was necessary to go around bypassing☻☻☻☻

    In vain you are so ... I can remind you that there were THREE Ukrainian Frontes, but, no offense, there was not a single Russian soil ....
    Fascist Europe was liberated by the Soviet army = Soviet people.
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    At first “everything was classified” - then “fried cock pecked in the ass” - in the archives “open day” ... only today nobody wants to read the “old papers” - in the days of the USSR it was necessary for all “Eastern Europeans” (including “Ukrainians” ) with their nose in their - "Eastern European feces" poke. In vain Poland was given a "piece of East Prussia" for beautiful eyes "... WE - the Red Army took East Prussia - is sharing, land saturated with the blood of the Red Army is impossible.