Myths about Stalin

Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin - a controversial figure. For some, he is the “father of peoples” and “savior”, without which there would be no victory over Hitler, a great victory in industrialization and the post-war restoration of the Soviet Union. And someone sees in him the "executioner" and the "greatest villain" and associates his name with terror and repression.

Undoubtedly, Stalin is one of the greatest figures of his time. For more than thirty years, during which he led the Soviet Union, our country, and even Russia's long-standing enemies admitted this, "has made its way from plow to atomic bomb." This seemingly stamp, in fact, reflects what was and what became in the Land of Soviets.

After death, Stalin became the subject of falsification and historical bullying that has reached unprecedented proportions today. His personality is overgrown with myths, sometimes illogical and absurd. The media constantly try to impose on us the idea that he was a bloodthirsty tyrant, a poor commander in chief, senselessly religious, even a Russian nationalist and anti-Semite, a man who destroyed the Leninist guard.

Do these myths have real soil? What was Joseph Stalin really like? What is its role in the history of the Soviet Union? Watch the video.

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[Mavrikiy]

Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin - a controversial figure. For some, he is the “father of peoples” and “savior”, without which there would be no victory over Hitler, a great victory in industrialization and the post-war restoration of the Soviet Union.

Rave. Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin - a figure without a controversial. He is ours and ours. And with the opinion of Gozmanov, Poznerov and Svanidze - in the toilet.

Do these myths have real soil? What was Joseph Stalin really like? What is its role in the history of the Soviet Union? Watch the video.

Thanks to the Internet, we know for a long time.

[whatis love]

For older tingling. For young people, a mustachioed, tyrant, "Xs dude", a lover of children, etc. That's what I heard from most young people. Go to any school and ask or open history books. Horror one

[rocket757]

Quote: Whatislove

For older tingling. For young people, a mustachioed, tyrant, "Xs dude", a lover of children, etc. That's what I heard from most young people. Go to any school and ask or open history books. Horror one

Not everything is so straightforward and not everything is yet defined.
A lot depends on the elders, teachers, educators.

[bk316]

tingling

GENERATIONS?
And how old are you, sorry for the immodest question?

[whatis love]

Are we discussing my age or Comrade Stalin? If my mistake offended you, then I apologize

[bk316]

Comrade Stalin?

Of course, we will not discuss Comrade Stalin here, I am not the size of a figure to discuss the great.
We are discussing MYTHS, that is, the attitude of people towards Stalin. You make statements about generations, I wonder if this is speculative or you belong to the generation "you speak for"?

[region58]

Quote: bk316

GENERATIONS?
And how old are you, sorry for the immodest question?

Quote: Mavrikiy

controversial figure

The same question ... the eye hurts.

[knn54]

He is a tyrant both for the "children of the Arbat" and for the grandchildren and great-grandchildren from the Arbat. He was not an anti-Semite, but an anti-Zionist. I can say that he was definitely not a liberal.
Once there was an article about 11 myths (I don’t remember exactly), now it’s already 5. .. The wind of history will mercilessly scatter them.

[whatis love]

These are not my words, but representatives of the young generation with whom I spoke

[Svarog]

Quote: Whatislove

For young people, a mustachioed, tyrant, “Xs dude”, an amateur who has children and the like. That's what I heard from most young people. Go to any school and ask or open history books

So liberals, democrats of all stripes, the capitalists pay a lot of attention and money to denigrate Stalin ... modern textbooks, journalists (Svanidze, etc.) are all propaganda that works very efficiently and that’s why many young people think so .. Our task is to prevent this and whenever possible always explain who the great Stalin really was. Perhaps the leader of the country, its scale, didn’t exist in Russia .. But they’re denigrating him because they are afraid that the people will be asked for a similar figure and socialism .. The enemies do not want to see Russia strong, they want to see a colony, a raw materials appendage .. which we are now.

[Deathmaker]

The largest exporter of gas is the United States. Are they a bigger appendage than us?

[nickname7]

The method of falsification using liberals is as follows.
Just recently, an airplane landed on a corn field in the Moscow Region, therefore, the pilot made a marriage (crime) at work, caused damage to the airplane, spoiled the harvest and, most importantly, 74 people were injured. The pilot is definitely a villain and a criminal.
But if you take into account the circumstances that a flock of seagulls flew in front of the plane and the engines failed and the plane had to be planted in emergency mode, then the pilot is a hero, since everyone could die. And injured, this is the tragic result of an accident.
The critics of Stalin ignored the circumstances of the time when they criticized Stalin, when a civil war raged, the worst economic crisis, interventions, etc. Stalin simply did his job at that time of crisis, using emergency measures and saved the country. Stalin is a hero.

[ser56]

Quote: Mavrikiy

He is ours and ours

looking who is your ...

Quote: Mavrikiy

Svanidze

By the way, this is a descendant of the relatives of the wife of the IVS ...

[Cat Kuzya]

Here is a descendant of the IVS (by the way, lives in the USA). I don’t even know what Stalin would say-did about this:

[ser56]

Quote: Kuzya the Cat

I don’t even know what Stalin would say-did about this:

But is it significant? as it says there - judge by the fruits?

[Ezekiel]

Quote: ser56

Quote: Mavrikiy
Svanidze
By the way, this is a descendant of the relatives of the wife of the IVS ...

By the way, in the 80s, when Svanidze was a young and funny jerk, and not a boring liberal psycho from a TV box, he liked to trump his kinship with Usaty in the cabinets of the party nomenclature. Due to which he lived
And then he deftly refocused on the descent from the family of victims of a tyrant ...

[Svarog]

Quote: Ezekiel

And then he deftly refocused on the descent from the family of victims of a tyrant ...

We have the entire elite deftly reoriented from Komsomol to liberals ..

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Rave. Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin - a figure without a controversial.

Let's just say - Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin the Great Man of the 20th century.

[Snail N9]

There is a lot to say about Stalin, but my grandfather, who spent almost two years at the Second World War, and not the best 1942-1943, and in general did not like communists, always spoke with respect about Stalin and said that he was in battle -the attack really went-fled with the words: "For the Motherland! For Stalin!"

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Snail N9

they really went into battle - into the attack with the words: "For the Motherland! For Stalin!"

And everyone said so, who fought in the Second World War, and the minus players, I want to ask "What did your grandfathers and fathers do in the Second World War?" I put a plus.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: tihonmarine

And everyone said so, who fought in the Second World War, and the minus players, I want to ask "What did your grandfathers and fathers do in the Second World War?" I put a plus.

In the warehouses, they probably stumbled with linden flat feet)

[ser56]

Quote: tihonmarine

man

if not a secret, what did you want to say?

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Mavrikiy

And with the opinion of Gozmanov, Poznerov and Svanidze - in the toilet.

Then, in this same toilet, you will have to send numerous high-ranking officials who pour dirt on Stalin, the Katyn case, for example.
And the main question is what Comrade would do. Stalin with the current government and its representatives ????

[vladkuz]

And who are ours? The millions of victims of collectivization, famine, the Gulag, the deportation of peoples, the incompetent 41 years are clearly not ours

[Loess]

The media constantly try to impose on us the idea that he was a bloodthirsty tyrant, a poor commander in chief, senselessly religious, even a Russian nationalist and anti-Semite, a man who destroyed the Leninist guard.

I don’t know what, where and to whom this is imposing, but it’s in the media that I haven’t seen this for a long time. Maybe I’m watching / reading the wrong media?

[stalki]

I don’t know what, where and to whom this is imposing, but it’s in the media that I haven’t seen this for a long time. Maybe I’m watching / reading the wrong media?

These are mainly Western media. Well, the opposition mold with them. Although we can already state the fact that now it is no longer "fashionable", all reasonable people have long understood who is who.

[Hunter 2]

Not quite on the topic, I repeat ... I wonder if we will wait for Volgograd to be returned to it. Its glorious name is STALINGRAD ??? The name of the City - which the whole World knows! And not ashamed, for a few days a year ... but for good!

[paul3390]

To begin with - they would stop bashfully draping the Mausoleum during the parades. And they hung a portrait of the Supreme .. And the troops to go under the red banners on May 9th. For what does the current RF have to Victory? We all remember who exactly then used the tricolor, the parade beneath it on the holy day for the country is simply blasphemy and spitting on the memory of our grandfathers and great-grandfathers ..

[Nasrat]

The adherents of Stalin have already agreed ...

Quote: paul3390

And they hung a portrait of the Supreme ..

They stopped hanging the portrait of Stalin after the 20th Congress of the CPSU ... where the communists unanimously condemned the personality cult of Stalin, and they pulled Stalin out of the mausoleum and secretly buried him !!!!!
So the drapery today in relation to Stalin is nothing compared to the way the communists treated the leader ... One can even say that they were more respectful now - they culturally surrounded, not just beat off, the name of Stalin from the Mausoleum ...

Quote: paul3390

. And the troops to go under the red banners on May 9th.

The troops are marching under the red banner of victory ...

Quote: paul3390

. For what does the current RF have to Victory? .

The most direct - we are the descendants of the winners ... or you are not considered such?

Quote: paul3390

. We all remember who exactly then used the tricolor, the parade beneath it on the holy day for the country is simply blasphemy and spitting on the memory of our grandfathers and great-grandfathers ..

The far-fetched argument! Traitors spoke Russian - will you change the language of communication in the country?
The very fact of the Victory Parade, speaks for the fact that a tribute to the people of the winner is present in this action ... but someone wants to find shit in this .... and he finds it for himself !!

[ccsr]

Quote: paul3390

To begin with - they would stop bashfully draping the Mausoleum during the parades.

Indeed, this is a disgrace for our country and its history - for the sake of the political situation, to cross out the lives of generations who not only lived under socialism, but also built it, were dying for their socialist homeland, and our narrow-minded leaders are trying to fence off the symbols of that era with a cheap curtain. It is a shame for a great country to have in the leadership those who are ashamed of their past, and even more so if they themselves were members of the CPSU, in whose ranks no one was forcibly driven.

[Nasrat]

Quote: ccsr

... for the sake of the political situation, cross out the lives of generations.

Unfortunately, here too, the Communists surpassed the current authorities .... (for the sake of the political conjuncture)

to begin with - The destruction in Moscow of the Cathedral of Christ the Savior - the main monument to the victory of Russia over Napoleon in World War II 1812 year.
Of course, it is possible to explain that they fought with the church ...... then why in 1932 the main monument on the Raevsky battery was laid down, which was laid down on August 25, 1837, on the 25th anniversary of the battle, and opened in 1839, when at its foot the remains of Prince P.I. Bagration, who died from the wounds received in the battle? That war was also domestic !!!! A Russian soldier also defended his homeland ...
The barbarians themselves did not spare the Bagration’s grave either. Before the destruction of the main monument, it was excavated and robbed, and the remains were pointedly thrown out.
Almost all the monuments on the field in the 1930s were looted, disfigured, and some (Nezhinsky Hussars) were destroyed.
The same fate (desecration and ruin) befell the unveiled monument in Smolensk in 1913, “Grateful Russia - to the Heroes of 1812” and another, to the Sofia regiment, established there a year earlier.
Monument-chapels were erased from the face of the earth in Maloyaroslavets (“The limit of attack, the beginning of flight and the death of enemies”) and near Red (“Defeat of Ney”), as well as a monument in Polotsk (“Defeat of Udino and Saint-Cyr by Count Wittgenstein”), established respectively in 1844, 1847 and 1850.
The monument was also destroyed in memory of the Battle of Klyastitsy (1857) and in honor of the war hero General Ya.P. Kulneva in the village of Sivoshino (1830).
In 1936 they destroyed the Arc de Triomphe, built in 1829-1834. on Tverskaya Zastava Square in Moscow in honor of the victory in the war with Napoleon.

The war that began in 1941 forced the Soviet leaders to drastically change their approach to working with the population. It was necessary to convince the people that, defending the established system (and at the same time themselves), he was saving his Russia.
“Let the courageous image of our great ancestors - Alexander Nevsky, Dimitry Donskoy, Dimitry Pozharsky, Kuzma Minin, Alexander Suvorov, Mikhail Kutuzov inspire you in this war!” - proclaimed from the mausoleum on November 7, 1941, Stalin.
Being sure that no one would dare to recall the autopsy and seizure in 1922 of the relics of the Holy Blessed Grand Prince Alexander Nevsky together with cancer or the destruction in 1934 in the Vladimir Cathedral of Sevastopol burial places of admirals P.S. Nakhimova, M.P. Lazareva, V.A. Kornilova and V.I. Istomina (“the remains of the great naval commanders raked together with trash, mostly destroying it. The crypt was covered with land and garbage, and the burglary was walled up for it”), the Soviet government, having changed its shoes in the air, established the orders of the same Alexander Nevsky and Nakhimov one by one, and also Suvorov, Kutuzov and Ushakov.

[ccsr]

Quote: Nasr

Destruction in Moscow of the Cathedral of Christ the Savior - the main monument to Russia's victory over Napoleon in the Patriotic War of 1812.
Of course, it is possible to explain that they fought with the church ...... then why in 1932 the main monument on the Raevsky battery was laid down, which was laid down on August 25, 1837, on the 25th anniversary of the battle, and opened in 1839, when at its foot the remains of Prince P.I. Bagration, who died from the wounds received in the battle?

Leave your professional demagogy, because the temple was restored long ago, and a huge museum complex was built on the site of the Battle of Borodino, but apparently you have never been there. Enlighten, you are our fighter "for Christian social justice"

[Nasrat]

The temple has been restored, say ... does it mean you acknowledge that the Communists destroyed it? ... and if they didn’t do the Second World War, they did not honor Nakhimov, Lazarev ..? and the Borodino field would be plowed? And the Communists remembered the past heroes only when the people needed a spiritual connection with the past .. in order to defend the homeland ....
And what we restored - we know it ... and we know when the church was restored and when the main celebrations of the Borodino monuments began ...

And how the Communists in the 20-30s destroyed the connection of the people with the past - the current authorities are far away !!!

[ccsr]

Quote: Nasr

And the Communists remembered the past heroes only when the people needed a spiritual connection with the past ..

In general, the Communists were guided by the Sermon on the Mount of Christ when they created the moral code of the builder of communism, and in their work they were guided more by his commandments than your current builders of happy capitalism. So your demagoguery doesn’t roll in this direction either - you simply did not grow up to the understanding that the Communists built paradise on earth, and not in heaven.

Quote: Nasr

And how the Communists in the 20-30s destroyed the connection of the people with the past - the current authorities are far away !!!

Are you talking about the citizens of Ukraine? So they are there and now use medieval torture for their own benefit - do you like this past?

[Nasrat]

Quote: ccsr

... So your demagoguery doesn’t roll in this direction either - you simply have not grown to the understanding that the Communists built paradise on earth, and not in heaven.

Ha ha ha, heaven on earth .... people traded for jeans and chewing gum ...- cheap paradise was ...
You have already reached the sect .... you yourself have come up with, you believe ...

Quote: ccsr

Are you talking about the citizens of Ukraine? So they are there and now use medieval torture for their own benefit - do you like this past?

they wouldn’t be talking about Ukraine ... the communists gave out the Russian land, and now we are reaping the "fruits" ...
Russian people were forcibly recorded as Ukrainians - not surprised by the current conflicts ...

[ccsr]

Quote: Nasr

Ha ha ha, heaven on earth .... people traded for jeans and chewing gum ...- there was a cheap paradise ..

So now these people are biting their elbows, and don’t know how to get everything back - you don’t even seem to understand this.

Quote: Nasr

You have already reached the sect .... you yourself have come up with, you believe ...

Strange, you just seem to be off topic, but you are already starting to judge.

Quote: Nasr

Communists handed out the Russian land, and now we are reaping the "fruits" ...

In Ukraine, almost 40% of Russians live - have you already deprived them of nationality and land?

Quote: Nasr

Russian people were forcibly recorded as Ukrainians

Or maybe some were just cunning in that situation? Would you personally change your nationality if someone tried to forcibly write "Ukrainian" into your passport?

[Nasrat]

The “leader of the peoples” Joseph Stalin himself spoke out about Ukrainization as follows:
“Recently it was also said that the Ukrainian republic and the Ukrainian nation are the invention of the Germans. Meanwhile, it is clear that the Ukrainian nation exists, and the development of its culture is the responsibility of the Communists. You cannot go against history. It’s clear that while Russian elements still dominate in Ukrainian cities, then over time these cities will inevitably be Ukrainianized. ”

These words were uttered by him at the 1921th Congress of the RCP (B.) In March 500, and already in May of that year, at a meeting of the Politburo of the Central Committee, the question was raised of the purchase of textbooks and primers abroad, after which 250 first, then 250 thousand, and then another 4 thousand rubles in gold. For comparison, 28 million rubles were allocated for the purchase of 1.7 million pounds of coal and 1932 thousand cubic meters of firewood. gold - you can estimate how much it is in modern prices. For the first decade of the Ukrainization initiated by the Bolsheviks, the party and economic leadership at all levels was Ukrainized in full, but when the debriefing began for the reasons of the famine of 14, it "suddenly" became clear that (From a resolution of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks and December 1932, 7 g.): - “... instead of the correct Bolshevik conduct of national policy in a number of regions of Ukraine, Ukrainization was carried out mechanically, without taking into account the specific features of each region, without carefully selecting the Bolshevik Ukrainian cadres, which facilitated the bourgeois-nationalist elements, Petliurists, etc. the creation of their legal cover, their counter-revolutionary cells and organizations. ” Therefore, it is necessary to continue Ukrainization correctly: - “... to pay serious attention to the correct conduct of Ukrainization, to eliminate its mechanical implementation, to expel Petlyura and other bourgeois-nationalist elements from party and Soviet organizations, carefully select and educate Ukrainian Bolshevik cadres, and ensure systematic party leadership and control over the conduct of Ukrainization. " Along with the introduction of the Ukrainian language, there was a total Ukrainization of the public administration system in Ukraine and local public organizations, the army, etc. On April 1925, 1, Lazar Moiseevich Kaganovich became General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party (b) of Ukraine, and already at the July plenary session of the Central Committee of the Communist Party (b) U, directives were adopted on the total Ukrainization of the social and political life of the Ukrainian SSR. Subject to Ukrainization: a system of party education from top to bottom, scientific-Marxist and popular literature, periodicals, paperwork, agitprop, Komsomol, pioneers, trade unions, newspapers, Soviet institutions (deadline January 1926, XNUMX), secondary and higher education institutions, and also Red Army divisions in the Ukrainian Military District.

The one who refused to be subjected to a violent policy of Ukrainization was threatened with public censure and, moreover, criminal prosecution. So, for example, the All-Ukrainian Central Commission of Ukrainization at the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR has obliged all employees of the Kiev branch of the Izvestia newspaper to pass an exam in the Ukrainian language. Disobedience was considered as a violation of the then applicable USSR legislation on the Ukrainianization of the apparatus. In this case, the matter was referred to the Prosecutor's Office of the Ukrainian SSR in order to prosecute persons evading Ukrainization. Particularly difficult was the Ukrainization in purely Russian districts and cities of Little Russia and New Russia, which were, first of all, Donbass and Odessa. So, in one of the reports to the local party bodies on the state of Ukrainization in Donetsk and the surrounding areas, the following was said: “According to reports, in 16 districts, peasant and mixed, the Okruzhkom apparatus was completely Ukrainized. The situation is worse in the workers' districts. At past conferences, an unhealthy attitude to the cause of Ukrainization was revealed by some comrades. ... Donetsk districts declare that they cannot understand the Ukrainian language in any way and all work is conducted in Russian. The issue of Ukrainization of these districts is especially acute. ”

[ccsr]

Quote: Nasr

The “leader of the peoples” Joseph Stalin himself spoke out about Ukrainization as follows:

Well, the leader was wrong, relying on proletarian internationalism, and what now, after a hundred years, to remember what he said, and not take into account how he really gave the order to destroy the Ukrainian Bandera? Judge by deeds, "holy" you are our ...

[Nasrat]

Wrong???? This is when forcibly Russian copied in the Ukrainians? God's dandelion ... and then fought with Bandera? and today, who should correct his mistakes? The shoots of his work in Ukraine have risen ...

Here are a few excerpts from some materials of the Izvestia newspaper of the Odessa Executive Committee, the Provincial Executive Committee Provincial Committee and the Provincial Council for 1925-26 and other years: “The campaign for Ukrainization will continue. ... All employees of institutions will be divided into 4 categories: those who are hostile to Ukrainization, overworked, specialists and who do not master the language due to illness. Persons assigned to the 1st category will immediately be dismissed. For specialists, it is supposed to organize 5-month courses of the Ukrainian language so that they can fully master the technical terminology by this time. Employees who did not attend circles due to illness will be considered conditionally dismissed. ... All the institutions proposed to hire only employees who speak the Ukrainian language. With reductions, all those who do not speak the Ukrainian language should also be fired first of all. ”
“At the plenum of the Ukrainianization Commission held yesterday, reports of test triples were heard. ... The plenum decided to propose to the testing triples in the future to celebrate all those evading Ukrainization in order to remove them from work. First of all, institutions that are in close contact with the village should be Ukrainianized, then all Soviet institutions in general, and finally, thirdly, production enterprises. ” “The presidium of the district executive committee confirmed the decision of the Ukrainian Commission on the mandatory translation of all signs, stamps and seals into Ukrainian. Responsibility for the transfer will be assigned to the heads of institutions and business agencies. The deadline for fulfilling the decision is September 2. ” “In the coming academic year, when enrolling in universities, special attention will be paid to the knowledge of the Ukrainian language by applicants. The ability to verbally explain and write in writing their thoughts in Ukrainian is mandatory for applicants to universities. ”

[ccsr]

Quote: Nasr

and today, who should correct his mistakes?

Better ask someone to correct the mistakes of those who destroyed the great Soviet Union, and from the second state of the world turned our country into a second-class country.

Quote: Nasr

God dandelion...

But you, too, are not gladiolus, judging by your trousers, so do not lift your foot on the leader of the peoples ....

[Nasrat]

Quote: ccsr

Better ask someone to correct the mistakes of those who destroyed the great Soviet Union, and from the second state of the world turned our country into a second-class country.

Those who signed the Brest Peace collapsed ... distributed the original Russian lands to Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan ... made the Russian person the most powerless and impoverished in the country of councils from all republics, spoiled a Russian village, ruined it in favor of the virgin lands ... They began to perceive the Russian man as a bitter drunkard, ready to sell his mother’s mother for a glass of vodka ... and for all these things I can provide documents from the archives of the USSR ... and much more I can open my eyes ... but it is useless to prove this to sectarians. .. goodbye, and I will continue to expose the myths about Stalin ....

[ccsr]

Quote: Nasr

and I will continue to expose the myths of Stalin ....

You just at least change the manuals sometimes - your verbal chewing gum is 100% predictable on any issue that you would not discuss. True, I still did not understand why Stalin personally got you, that you cannot sleep peacefully so as not to kick the dead lion.

[Nasrat]

Quote: ccsr

Quote: Nasr

and I will continue to expose the myths of Stalin ....

You just at least change the manuals sometimes - your verbal chewing gum is 100% predictable on any issue that you would not discuss. True, I still did not understand why Stalin personally got you, that you cannot sleep peacefully so as not to kick the dead lion.

I take Stalin very calmly and with knowledge of archival documents ... but I don’t stand the spirit of today's adherents of Stalin’s holiness ... denying the real facts (not painting the manual) and historical documents are their distinguishing feature .... I just point out facts backed by documents from the Soviet archives, such as you, it causes hysteria, but the facts do not paint the leadership of that time ... other positive facts could be cited, but on the site they idealize Stalin too ... you need to really look at your story countries ... bring to life, so to speak ...
By the way, more recently, I brought to life the unanimous approval of Putin .... how much then I got minus ... hoo
And now what I see - everyone suddenly became dissatisfied with him ... now I will be on his side ... it will be more honest with myself ...
I’m such a person - I am for realism ...

[ccsr]

Quote: Nasr

I treat Stalin very calmly and with knowledge of archival documents ...

And it pleases.

Quote: Nasr

but I don’t stand the spirit of today's adherents of the sanctity of Stalin ..

So you are not very nice to them, so humble yourself.

Quote: Nasr

for people like you it causes hysteria,

I don’t have any hysteria, because I have an idea of ​​what the state machine is and I perfectly understand how difficult it is to manage. That's why I understand that Stalin was different and could not at that time take the country out of ruin. And for this I respect him.

Quote: Nasr

they too idealize Stalin ... one must really look at the history of their country.

And you compare him with Peter the Great - perhaps you will be more respectful to the leader of the peoples.

Quote: Nasr

Now I will be on his side ...

Better immediately get on the side of Trump, for starters.

Quote: Nasr

I’m such a person - I am for realism ...

Virtual?

[vladkuz]

It depends on what kind of people. Unless the Stalinists. But even if they return, they will immediately bite their elbows in the opposite direction. And young, thank God, the mustachioed pithecanthropus with its herd to the bulb

[Nasrat]

The most disgusting is this shameful fact in the history of our country, more precisely in the history of the Communist Party under the leadership of Stalin, you are trying to whitewash and justify !!!! At the same time, you accuse the current authorities of this (going far from similar today) !!! Is it not a shame !!! ???

[Nasrat]

By the way, I remind you that the blasting operations of the Cathedral of Christ the Savior - a monument to the victory of Russia over Napoleon, were led by Lazar Kaganovich on the direct orders of Stalin .... Imagine what would happen if Putin blew up the Mausoleum now ?? ... And Stalin would blow up the Temple - you have a great guy !!!

[AU Ivanov.]

The Cathedral of Christ the Savior, which, incidentally, was built on public donations, was also restored by the Communists?

[ccsr]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

was also restored by the communists?

Naturally - only by the repainted former communists, and due to the stolen socialist property that the true communists created.

[SOVIET UNION 2]

Soviet power destroyed temples. But she did it on the basis of pure pragmatism. If the temple interfered, then it was demolished. If the temple was in poor condition - it was demolished. If the temple interfered slightly, then they tried to adapt it to various economic and economic needs: cinemas, libraries, hostels and even courts were opened in the temples. There was no general senseless destruction of temples. Firstly, it is very expensive. Secondly, the USSR was led by a seminarist Joseph Stalin for a long time, who perfectly understood the importance of religion. And how can you not recall Karl Marx with his “religion is the sigh of an oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is a spirit of soulless orders. Religion is the opium of the people. ”

I will say more: once Joseph Stalin saved St. Basil’s Cathedral (even Molotov recalled this). Then Lazar Kaganovich suggested demolishing this temple in order to make way for cars (Red Square was not pedestrian then). For clarity, Kaganovich removed the layout of the Cathedral from the reconstruction plan, for which he received the famous "Lazarus, put in place."

[SOVIET UNION 2]

The economic aspect of the explosion of the Cathedral of Christ the Savior is as follows. At the very beginning of its existence, the Soviet government felt itself in a kind of economic blockade. It was impossible to rely on one's own strengths in the 20s - revolution, civil war and NEPmanism greatly weakened the economy. Feeling this, the countries of Europe drank the last juices from the young socialist state. For example, when concluding trade agreements, some capitalist countries did not demand grain, but grain, wanting to plunge the USSR into hunger.

But by the end of the 20s, a crisis had begun in the entire capitalist world. The Soviet government decided to use this circumstance to its advantage. The USSR began to purchase machinery, equipment and technologies abroad, without which the rise of industry would have remained a bold plan. But the money, as I already said, was not enough in the country, so the authorities took up yesterday's church wealth. One of these riches was the Cathedral of Christ the Savior. The study showed that only from bells and domes can you remove 25 pounds of gold - serious money at that time. A little less gold was inside the temple. Thus, the Cathedral of Christ the Savior saved our country.

[AU Ivanov.]

But why was the temple itself blown up? It was possible to remove the bells, which Peter the Great did not disdain, confiscate valuables, but not touch the building itself. And how many cultural treasures were sold abroad, and for nothing. And how many communist figures warmed their hands on this? There is a lot of evidence on this subject.

[SOVIET UNION 2]

Note that in tsarist times the influence of the church was enormous. The proof of this is the high density of temples. In the mid-19th century, 15000 Vologda residents accounted for more than 30 churches and cathedrals. It can be assumed that in other Russian cities the picture did not differ much from the Vologda picture.

The question is: why are there so many churches in a small town. The answer is simple: nothing. Note that engineering, for example, of the 17th century is much inferior to engineering of the 20th century. Our ancestors (however, not only ours) built buildings, as God puts on a soul. The then cathedrals during construction could squint or fall apart several times. The same trouble came out with the Cathedral of Christ the Savior. The place for its construction was not the most successful, and the foundation simply did not correspond to the foundation. The builders of the Congress Palace were convinced of this. In order to save money, the foundation of the Temple should be part of the foundation of the Palace. But upon careful inspection it turned out that the Temple was almost on parole - the nearby river flowing silently did its job, turning the coastal soil into a watery slurry. Even before the revolution, the first signs of the destruction of the building were noticed. Recall that the Cathedral of Christ the Savior at the time of its demolition existed for only 50 years. Almost a remake. This is for us it is a historical value and a witness of ancient times, and then people lived in the capital who remembered Moscow without the Cathedral of Christ the Savior.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: paul3390

To begin with - they would stop bashfully draping the Mausoleum during the parades. And they hung a portrait of the Supreme .. And the troops to go under the red banners on May 9th. For what does the current RF have to Victory? We all remember who exactly then used the tricolor, the parade beneath it on the holy day for the country is simply blasphemy and spitting on the memory of our grandfathers and great-grandfathers ..

Comrade, your golden words. I subscribe to every word !!! The current government has NOTHING to do with the Victory, but is trying to "privatize" it in its own favor, planting false ideals and false patriotism. They don't say about the November 7 Parade that it was timed to coincide with the 24th anniversary of the Victory of the Great October Socialist Revolution, so we will have to repeat it.

[AU Ivanov.]

First you need to take the bald man out of the mausoleum and bring Stalin there. Then it will be possible not to drape.

[ser56]

Quote: Hunter 2

is his Glorious name STALINGRAD?

or maybe the original is better - Tsaritsin?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Hunter 2

It is interesting - will we wait for Volgograd to return its glorious name STALINGRAD?

I, like everyone, YES! But I think that the authorities do not like it, 58 years have passed already, but those in power have not given back the name of Stalin to the legendary city.

[carstorm 11]

According to the Law "On the names of geographical objects," proposals of this kind can be made by federal or local authorities, public associations, enterprises and firms, even just individual citizens of Russia.

The proposal is drawn up as a normative legal act, and an explanation is laid on it, in which it is necessary to justify why the name should be changed. Well, you definitely need to make cost calculations. All this goes to the local Legislative Assembly. It will conduct an examination of all the calculations. And if approved, the proposal is submitted to the citizens.

In small towns, you can limit yourself to simple gatherings, which are reported in newspapers. The regional center is waiting for a referendum. A referendum is considered valid if more than half of the citizens took part in it.

If more than half came and the majority of them voted in favor, the proposal to change the name of the city is sent to the State Duma, where a law on renaming is passed. The last signature on the renaming is put by the President of the country.
or if you briefly change the name to Stalingrad, only residents of this city can, and plus financing, since this is an expensive pleasure.

[whatis love]

When the red flag proudly develops over the Kremlin and the coat of arms will be with a hammer and sickle

[AU Ivanov.]

Then again, stand in line for the sausage. It's fine, Thak you.

[SOVIET UNION 2]

[quoteThen we will again stand in line for sausage] [/ quote] I see! Do not send to the front and partisan detachment! There will be no sausage and toilet paper, so there will immediately be a dash to the side of the sausage! Radical Islamists will not recruit you either. They probably will not have sausages, but there is no exact toilet paper. Instead of paper, they use water! And probably taught to sausage since childhood? At home, apparently, they didn’t cook anything and ate only sausage? Apparently they did not know how to cook pasta and fry potatoes in the family?

[AU Ivanov.]

You can, of course, live without sausage, without toilet paper, drive wretched cars, wear oak shoes and clothes made in USSR. But why? Do you think that our people deserve such an attitude? And why, in fact, should I fry potatoes if I want mustard sausages? So the party decided for me?

[ccsr]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

Do you think that our people deserve such an attitude?

Do you think that our people deserve to dig in the garbage dumps, live on a beggarly salary and curse those who at their expense are whipping with sluts in Courchevel?
Aren't you afraid of the new Red Wheel? Or you still haven't learned the history lessons.

[AU Ivanov.]

Always and everywhere and under any authority, there are marginals rummaging in garbage dumps: alcoholics, homeless people, mental patients. Personally, I have not seen normal healthy people who delve into the trash. A low salary is still much better than when someone decides for me how to dress, what music to listen to and what songs to sing, roughly speaking. And nothing low pay is worse than money that is not provided with goods.

[ccsr]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

Personally, I have not seen normal healthy people who delve into the trash.

And you, for example, on a day off, go to Saltykovka (I hope I heard about Saltychikha) to the flea market, and believe me, it’s not homeless people from trash cans that bring different trash for sale.

Quote: AS Ivanov.

A low salary is still much better than when someone decides for me how to dress, what music to listen to and what songs to sing, roughly speaking.

And for a low salary no one wants to go to work - and here are some sitting on the neck of pensioners. I see them all the time near the place of work, and something they don’t want to go to where you pay little.

Quote: AS Ivanov.

And nothing low pay is worse than money that is not provided with goods.

In this case, you forget to indicate that not all categories of goods that a Soviet citizen dreamed about could be bought in a store, but the bulk of the needs in the USSR were provided. And you cannot refute it. But now we are bashfully shutting our eyes to the fact that many cannot afford even the simplest satisfaction of needs, and we don’t even have to talk about a trip on vacation.

[vladkuz]

But what, either sausage, or radical Islamists with partisans? And so with sausage, but without Islamists in any way? Other countries seem to be

[Svarog]

Quote: Hunter 2

It’s interesting - will we wait for Volgograd to be returned with its glorious name STALINGRAD ??

Frantically support! They do not return, because they are afraid .. there are no other explanations. They are afraid of socialism and the request of society for such a person.

[GKS 2111]

After death, Stalin became the object of falsification and historical persecution, which today have reached unprecedented proportions.

[Uncle lee]

without which there would be no victory over Hitler

[kepmor]

Stalin is undoubtedly the greatest personality in world history ... but it is HISTORY ...
our country was incredibly lucky that in such a dramatic period at the helm of the state were the true Bolsheviks led by Stalin ...
But is our current society ready, in the modern realities of pseo-capitalism with an admixture of neo-feudalism with a consumerist worldview, for the arrival of the much-desired "father of nations" ??? ... I think NO ...
there is now in our society the necessary ideological basis to accept the "new Stalin" ...
we ourselves are simply not ready for such a radical breakdown of the modern foundations of our existence ... and the majority are generally afraid of any changes ... the elections of 18 and the "silence of the lambs" after the raising of the retirement age is a vivid example of this ...
and God forbid, if in the near future a leader appears who will try to put things in order using "Stalinist" repressive methods ... the civil war of 1918-21 will seem just a childish prank ...
our desires for the second coming of the "savior" clearly do not coincide with our capabilities ...
remember, honor and thank Stalin - our holy duty ...

[Cat Kuzya]

Stalin is a world-wide figure, there will be no such ....

To raise the mood of the "Stalinists":

[Nasrat]

Quote: Uncle Lee

myths about Stalin again ..... say the reckoning .... and who paid for the improper construction of the Stalin Line? Oh yes, the people and the army ...
https://topwar.ru/1978-zachem-stalin-unichtozhil-liniyu-stalina.html

[rocket757]

Again and again. This is exactly the line, will have to be on one side or the other. The situation in the middle, losing anyway.

[rocket757]

Quote: rocket757

The situation in the middle, losing anyway.

It looks like they just hit, without expressing their position on this topic, they will "knock" both from one side and the other!
Cool! The experiment continues!

[paul3390]

Stalin - was the greatest Russian emperor, however paradoxical it may sound. And not every petty dirty riffraff scratching silly tongues about his name! In the people's memory - he still remains the best of the rulers, it is not for nothing that his popularity only grows over the years. Our descendants will build their future on his deeds, for the bourgeois non-current alternative is the path to the death of the country and people.

[rocket757]

Quote: paul3390

And not every petty dirty rag-dog scratching silly tongues about his name

And to cover the Mausoleum, then, when it MUST be in full view, is that how?
And to return to its place a monument to Dzerzhinsky and so on, so on, is it WHEN?

[ser56]

Quote: paul3390

was the greatest Russian emperor, however paradoxical it may sound

who laid a mine under the future of the Russian people of such strength that we still cannot recover ...
not one, of course, but led the process ...

[paul3390]

Another anti-Soviet nonsense.

[ser56]

Quote: paul3390

Another anti-Soviet nonsense.

Another unproven statement, however, what else to expect from fans of communism and Russophobia ... Let me remind you that it was during the IVS that the Russian village was robbed, and the peasants were enslaved. On Russian lands, union and autonomous republics were created for peoples who did not have statehood (for example, Kaz. SSR - to which Cossack lands were transferred).

[SOVIET UNION 2]

Are the peasants enslaved? And then who built the new factories and cities?

[AU Ivanov.]

And who built ancient Rome? He built it with high quality, still the buildings are standing.

[ser56]

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

Are the peasants enslaved?

aha, without passports ....

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

And then who built the new factories and cities?

usually ZK ... and also dispossessed, etc.

[AU Ivanov.]

Not anti-Soviet, but anti-communist, please do not be confused: there are two big differences. The biggest anti-Soviets were just the communists, who reduced the Soviets, from the Supreme to the local, to the level of nodding assent. The people's representatives have never ruled the country. So, the slogan "All power to the Soviets", to which the people were so led, turned out to be a fiction in reality.

[SOVIET UNION 2]

Well, if then they laid a mine! Why didn’t she jerk under Stalin? Why rushed today? Bad sappers or was the explosion made by sappers specifically for destruction?

[apro]

IVStalin is the only leader. For the entire history of Russia. Was able to advance the community of peoples who inhabited this territory to leading positions in the world. Was able to consolidate all the people for the achievement of a just goal. No results have been achieved before him ... and looking at today's pegmeans power feeders and not to be expected ...

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: apro

IVStalin is the only leader. For the entire history of Russia. Was able to advance the community of peoples who inhabited this territory to leading positions in the world. Was able to consolidate all the people for the achievement of a just goal. No results have been achieved before him ... and looking at today's pegmeans power feeders and not to be expected ...

"The forest is being cut, the chips are flying"?

[Laurus]

So what? In Israel, criminals are not punished, prisons are empty and abandoned?
Second Secretary of the Chinese Embassy Hang Zhu:
“I don’t know why the Russians do nothing with corruption, but I know what they did with us. Corruption on a Russian scale can be dealt with in a month! But this is impossible, as long as you are ashamed of places like Butovo landfill and hang memorial tablets about alleged repression there ...
It is painful for us from China to look at people who spit on their great past and because of this they are deprived of a great future. We are proud of our firing ranges because everything that prevents the state from becoming great is buried there - corruption, theft, external control, enemy propaganda, cosmopolitanism, debauchery, exploitation of workers, thoughtless consumerism.
We are done with this, and so now we are claiming first place in the world! I know for sure that you will not be the second China, as long as you are ashamed of the feat of your state security in the days of Stalin! ”

Putin's false liberal liberals for these words declared him persona non grata. But this is normal, evil spirits from the truth are always wrong.

[ser56]

Quote: Laurel

We are done with it

Another com. swagger and lies ... The CCP has long been reborn, and in China, a terrible stratification of luy by income ...

[Laurus]

We're not talking about China. It was an answer to our Israeli friend, who for some reason is sure that the photos of someone unknown under the inscription "Butovo training ground" prove something. He does not know who these people are and cannot guarantee that they are not murderers, thieves, rapists, pedophiles and terrorists. Typical substitution of concepts. "Shot under Stalin" does not mean "not guilty" at all.

[ser56]

Quote: Laurel

that it’s not killers, thieves, rapists, pedophiles and terrorists.

680t people for 37-38? not too much for 2 years?

[paul3390]

Stop lying. This is the figure of ALL repressed for 20 years.

[ser56]

Quote: paul3390

Stop lying

this is the path of the Stalinists

Quote: paul3390

This is the figure of ALL repressed for 20 years.

1) I am glad that you at least partially know the scale of the repressions in the IVS ...
2) "According to the historian Zemskov, 681 692 people were shot for political reasons [9] [⇨], make up 85% of the total number of those shot for counter-revolutionary and other especially dangerous state crimes for the entire conditional" Stalinist period "(799 455 people since 1921 to 1953) [10]. "
"L. Lopatnikov, on the basis of Zemskov's data, cites the number of 681 692 people sentenced to capital punishment in 37-38 [109]. The same number of those executed is cited by N. Abdin:" according to the available statistics, convicted in 1937-1938. 1 344 923 people, of which 681 692 people or 50,69% were sentenced to capital punishment. Every second of those convicted for political reasons in 1937-1938 was shot "[110]."
enlighten ...

[paul3390]

Stop raving. All this is based on a single source - a memo from Beria. Yes - for 30 years, about 800 thousand people were shot. This is all - both political and Vlasovites with Bandera, traitors, bandits - all. Well, WHERE are those tens like millions here, huh?

[ser56]

Quote: paul3390

Stop raving

this is your path ...

Quote: paul3390

Well, WHERE are those tens like millions here, huh?

But did I talk about tens of millions? They themselves came up with, they themselves lied, but I refute?

Quote: paul3390

Beria's memo

actually Beria was not from the street, but knew the subject but I brought you data from the work of Doctor of Historical Sciences Zemsky ... but, I understand. there are no authorities for you ...

[Laurus]

Just right. If you restore order in the country now, you will have to shoot at least no less.

[ser56]

Quote: Laurel

If you restore order in the country now, you will have to shoot at least no less.

maybe simpler than the Stalinists?

[Laurus]

For national traitors, corrupt officials, thieves, pedophiles and drug dealers, this is certainly better.

[ser56]

Quote: Laurel

For national traitors, corrupt officials, thieves, pedophiles and drug dealers, this is certainly better.

if you are able to glue labels ... are you torn to write denunciations?

[Cat Kuzya]

"The forest is being cut, the chips are flying"?

ABOUT! The "unfortunate sufferers" Jews pulled themselves together! Have you already forgotten how the Arabs let you in and how it ended for them (the Arabs)?

[Amateur]

And why not our Israeli friends to count how many Russians, both white and red, and who were simply taken hostage, were shot during the Civil War by orders of Comrades. L.D. Trotsky, Ya.M. Sverdlov, I.E. Yakir, Ya.B. Gamarnik and some others. And Genakh Gershenovich Yagoda is generally an innocent victim of repression.

[ser56]

Quote: Amateur

And why should our Israeli friends

funny, but modern IVS fans are mostly not internationalists ....

[AU Ivanov.]

This is one of Stalin's main merits: the faithful Leninist executioners, according to their merits, were declared enemies of the people, which they were and were destroyed.

[SOVIET UNION 2]

And then there was no internal party struggle? Why didn’t everyone support Lenin and was there a division into Bolsheviks and Mensheviks? If there were fermentations then why couldn't they be under Stalin?

[AU Ivanov.]

To begin with, Trotsky was one of Lenin's main associates. And if the VIL lived up to the mid-thirties, he would go after Bukharin and Zinoviev. What Stalin really did right is that he got rid of Lenin's sheluponi as enemies of the people; Stalin was not mistaken in this formulation.

[garrett]

foresee ...

grammar nazi is already running towards you armed with a banhammer

[bk316]

handsаdriver

community of peoplesth

нfuckso

пеgmeas

does not foreseeьXia ...

Tin ....
Did you also get the best Soviet education?

[apro]

Quote: bk316

Did you also get the best Soviet education?

I confess ... was troeshniko m ...

[ser56]

Quote: apro

was troeshniko m ...

and remained, according to knowledge ...

[ser56]

Quote: apro

IVStalin is the only rukvoditel. For the entire history of Russia

the most significant in your test is Russia with a lowercase ... that is exactly so - the IVS is an idol of Russophobes!

[rocket757]

Everything is known by comparison ... there were statesmen in the history of Russia who did a lot for its greatness ...
Peter the Great should not be forgotten ... although contemporaries and descendants have said a lot! But Russia before him and after him, these are two big differences!

[ser56]

Quote: rocket757

Russia before him and after him, these are two big differences!

Of course - a noticeable part of the culture of Russia is destroyed! Look at Japan, where native culture is not sacrificed to economic development .... well, or the example of Ivan the Terrible ....

Quote: rocket757

Everything is relative

of course - take his father - the Quiet ...

[rocket757]

In different ways, states were built and rebuilt. No one, radically, could change the essence of the Russian land, the soul of its people.

[ser56]

Quote: rocket757

No one, radically, could change the essence of the Russian land, the soul of its people.

a controversial thesis ... people were robbed of the world revolution, the elite was replaced by foreigners, they drank all demographic juices by executions and hunger strikes, excessive labor and losses in wars, they torn off the zemlyats and resettled abroad, some of them turned into Ukrainians / Belarusians, etc. ....
and also the people were corrupted by fairy tales about a bright life, denunciations, drove millions through prisons, destroyed temples and so on ...

[rocket757]

While the people EXIST, there will be something to argue about.

[ser56]

Quote: rocket757

Oka people EXIST, there will be something to argue about.

recognition of the problem is the first step on the road ... and immense optimism is destructive ...

[rocket757]

Optimism is different. For me, the definition - Break through, not the first time! - is crucial, always. On that stand.

[ser56]

Quote: rocket757

Optimism is different. D

certainly as an alternative to even worse pessimism ...

Quote: rocket757

Break through, not the first time! - is crucial, always. On that stand.

alas, for the first time ... before even women gave birth ...

[rocket757]

Quote: ser56

before even women gave birth

Pierce all products, specialty, in pharmacies

[ser56]

Quote: rocket757

Poke all products, specialty, to the pharmacy

will not help, alas ... the problem is in the heads, and not in products No. 2 ...

[rocket757]

Quote: ser56

the problem is in the heads, not in products No. 2 ..

Yes, it all starts with the head.

[SOVIET UNION 2]

Nothing comes from nothing. Russian socialism was not grown in the offices of British or German intelligence, but in the very body of the Russian Empire. The approximate distribution of percentages of noblemen in the institutions of the RSFSR as a whole, with some excess (up to 20%!), Corresponds to the total share of their share in Russian society.

Since the Socialist Revolution was determined by internal factors and was the conscious choice of the Russian people, it is not surprising that its most educated part, the nobles, joined the cause of the Revolution. Let us recall, finally, that the color of the nobility became the first revolutionaries of the Empire in December 1825.

Bonch-Bruyevich brilliantly put an end to this argument:

“History does not condemn us, who remained at home and honestly performed our duty, but those who hindered this, forgot the interests of their country and sought out foreigners who are clear opponents of Russia in the past and in the future.”

[AU Ivanov.]

What are you saying? Nobles in RI, including personal ones, did not exceed 1,5%.

[ser56]

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

was the conscious choice of the Russian people,

you can find out - when the people voted for the Bolsheviks in 1917 miles 1918? He organized uprisings ...

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

in December 1825 it became the color of the nobility.

the usual gang of unbridled guard youth that killed Emperor Peter 3 or Emperor Paul ...

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

History will not judge us

already condemned ...

[smaug78]

Quote: rocket757

Quote: rocket757

The situation in the middle, losing anyway.

It looks like they just hit, without expressing their position on this topic, they will "knock" both from one side and the other!
Cool! The experiment continues!

So hurray-Stalinist = liberalist = ignoramus

[rocket757]

Quote: smaug78

So hurray-Stalinist = liberalist = ignoramus

Equality is not beating, either from a mathematical or from a sociopolitical point of view ... except according to Freud, but in this I am not special.

[Strashila]

Why demonize.
Yes, because he was able to build socialism in a single state.
This state put on the ground the rest of the world.
What to hide, world capitalism is not very bad earningsl on this construction.
That's what you had to earn, and not drag the loot, and this actually infuriated them.
The growth of social responsibility in the USSR before the population forced world capitalism to take measures exactly to the same growth, and these are expenses that cause hatred.
The presence of the army in the socialist state, made him reckon with.
This army, its specialists, spoiled the highly profitable business of world capital in the robbery of developing countries, to all the costs of their armies, and at the same time some of them earned, but these are costs, and who loves them.
As they said at the UN, the USSR could hold any resolution by a large vote, all thanks to the support of the developing countries that it supported.
There came a time when the USSR was gone.
What to hide, the "winners" have taken everything from the "vanquished", raw materials, intellectual resources.
Which they successfully lowered, once again proving the inefficiency of the capitalist economy.
That's why everything is done so that the name of Stalin sounded only in a negative context, all the resources of propaganda are thrown at it.
Any name, this association, denigrating the name of Stalin, people of that generation are forced to forget all the good that gave the socialist state.

[ser56]

Quote: Strashila

This state put on the ground the rest of the world.

but you are not interested - how did people live in this state? Ordinary Russian people?

Quote: Strashila

The growth of social responsibility in the USSR before the population,

this is when the peasants were robbed, enslaved on collective farms, deprived of their pensions?

Quote: Strashila

spoiled the highly profitable business of world capital in the robbery of developing countries,

what is this for us? we built factories in China, etc. - and the result?

Quote: Strashila

people of that generation

and where does the people then?

[Foul skeptic]

deprived of pensions

deprived - this is when it used to be, and then it died.
support for disabled members of collective farms, which included the elderly, was carried out from the fund of the farms themselves

[AU Ivanov.]

All at the discretion of the leadership of these same farms. They fed someone, and someone through the rosin block.

[Foul skeptic]

All at the discretion of the leadership of these same farms.

All at the discretion of the general meeting of members of a collective farm

[Strashila]

we have enough myths about collective farms
agriculture, to one degree or another, has always been dated or supported by the state
for the majority of the jambs from the top management were compensated
The central administration of the upper echelons sometimes reached jokes, my grandfather worked all my life with interruptions from 1938 to 1946 as an agronomist, so there it depended on the local leaders a lot whether they included their heads or not when performing these central administrative committees
collective farms, and state farms, have always helped the elderly, plowing gardens, delivering whips for firewood, delivering crops from hayfields

[paul3390]

What are you actually waiting for?

We are waiting for the time to come to you, the liberals, to demonstrate the 37th year .. And why should we flee from our country? Better you bring down from ours to your blessed west .. You have no place here.

[ser56]

Quote: paul3390

it's time for you, liberals, to demonstrate the 37th year

yourself and go through the stages ...

[paul3390]

May be. But only after you. And it's worth it - to get rid of such a country.

[ser56]

Quote: paul3390

But only after you

who knows...

Quote: paul3390

And it's worth it - to get rid of such a country.

actually, the country is completely useful to me! I am working to make her rich and strong ... but you, from the grandfathers of Shchukary, seem to be a worthless and incapable burrower ...

[paul3390]

The loafer is liberal. He works - he’s a jerk in his tongue .. I already have two sons over 30, and I have managed to do more than anything good in my life.

[ser56]

Quote: paul3390

May be. But only after you.

By the way - a purely criminal thesis ... not surprised, IVS organized exs - i.e. robbery...

[Vadim237]

He was the best young man and worthy ruler, to kill 50 million people - to kill, to make disabled, convicts for 25 years, with his watered decisions - this must be tried.

[paul3390]

Che so little - Solzhenitsyn already about 100 million broadcast ..

[Svarog]

Quote: Vadim237

50 million people to kill

I hesitate to ask how much is left after he "killed" 50 mil .. and another 20 took away the Second World War? You have stat data ..

Despite the terrible sacrifices we made during the Great Patriotic War, the number of Russians in 30 years has grown by 29,7 million people, or about 1 million a year. Under the liberals, despite the absence of any wars and cataclysms, the number of Russians decreased by almost 18 million people over 20 years or almost 1 (!) Million a year. As for the size of the entire people of the USSR, the growth amounted to more than 50 million people. for 30 years of Stalin’s reign. And this despite the thirty million losses of the Soviet people in the Second World War.
Many, of course, will ask themselves: what about the 10,20,30,60 million repressed people that Svanidze, SolZhEnitsyn and Baba Lera Novodvorskaya told us about? Were certainly repressed. Only the figure is an order of magnitude lower. Article 58 (enemy of the people) is about 4 million. 700 thousand of them were convicted from 24 to 53 years. Moreover, traitors to the Great Patriotic War, Trotskyites, Bandera, Vlasov, policemen and so on were included in this number. Read more about it here.
Over the entire period of the USSR (1922-1990), the population doubled - from 136 million people. - up to 286,7 million people. Moreover, if you look at the statistics, we will see that the increase in population was mainly due to the Russian regions of the RSFSR. There is, for example, another non-Asian country where the population has doubled over the entire 20th century. This is the United States, where there was mass migration and there were no such losses in the Second World War, as we have. Such growth with such alleged repressions could be only in one case, that during the USSR period all women from 18 to 50 years old were constantly in a state of constant pregnancy and Russians would breed like rabbits or by dividing like cells.

[Vadim237]

You are lucky that you did not live in that "wonderful" era and did not feel the peculiarities of that time on yourself; you could make everyone you meet as an enemy of the people simply by denunciation of envious people and other "well-wishers". Totalitarian centralized control - whose people are "Living Power", it has no freedoms, rights, there is only obedience and fear - before the main thing. The current DPRK as a reflection of what was in the USSR from 1928 to 1953 only on a smaller scale.

[Korax71]

Read comments all would be nice, but the people who so fiercely extol Stalin IV You got a normal Soviet education, well, you can’t make so many grammatical mistakes

[Ezekiel]

Quote: Korax71

well you can’t make so many grammatical mistakes

It is very bad form to make comments about grammar in a chat or forum. On any.
It is considered very impolite to teach others. As a rule, this technique is used when the subject has exhausted normal arguments.

[Korax71]

Sorry I didn’t get personal, and I didn’t poke anyone’s nose. The vast majority of the participants in the discussion probably got an education even with the union, and it’s pretty good. And I don’t want to breed somehow about the breach arguments therefore, I do not protect anyone, and do not criticize.

[nikvic46]

Quote: stalki

I don’t know what, where and to whom this is imposing, but it’s in the media that I haven’t seen this for a long time. Maybe I’m watching / reading the wrong media?

These are mainly Western media. Well, the opposition mold with them. Although we can already state the fact that now it is no longer "fashionable", all reasonable people have long understood who is who.

Not such a small "mold". This mold has a powerful apparatus of informatics. TV, Radio, newspapers. But in general I am against the ascension of every person to heaven. This is used not by a person, but by his environment. Each person must be approached consciously.

[bk316]

computer science apparatus.

Computer science device?
Can you explain what is meant?

[Ezekiel]

Quote: S-400

why should we flee from our country?

A patamushta of trolls with a rating of 49 kamens - 1478 they do not like in all countries, not only ours!
PS You don’t need to run, you need to get a normal job, get married, have children and engage in socially useful activities.

[Laurus]

It's funny Anti-Stalinists curse Stalin’s repressions, but simply masturbate to repress their opponents. Once again I am convinced that the liberotas' claims to Stalin are only that they were not shot then.

[paul3390]

We will wait. And you are a shish. Because a liberal is a fatal mistake in DNA. Having scanned which of the nation’s gene pool, we will render a tremendous service to it. So - it's worth it ..

[AU Ivanov.]

The biggest mistake in DNA is the communist.

[75 Sergey]

Ivan Vasilievich from the Rurikovich clan (Grozny) - was lied to, Stalin Joseph Vissarionovich was the same, but contemporaries manage to do it all!
ETOGES, how is it necessary for the people to poke their eyes that they believe not in their own eyes, but in the false conscience of crooks?

[Langf]

Even from the first "Ogonyok" noticed that all claims to Stalin were based on purely emotional intensity, with the obligatory suffering of personalities, but, which is also necessary, in isolation from the tasks, events and situation in the country. The magic of numbers fascinated, and one could certainly believe in them, if not for the sensible articles in Literaturka and Economic Gazette, which were not yet sufficiently immersed in Korotich's "patriotic" paroxysm. I remember when I shared with "newfangled views" on the story with the village of Lesha Morozov, a front-line soldier, a scout, a penalty box and again a scout, I got a savory slap from him. My father-in-law generally went into hand-to-hand combat when, with a young, "all-knowing" cynicism, I began to decompose the great era into degenerate components, abundantly watered by the lamentations of a "front-line soldier," the commander of a battery without a battery, Solzhenitsyn. It was that very short period when my natural prudence and a sober view of things changed me. What is called a drip. This is good at sobering up and distracting from the general hysterical chorus. By the way, I have both grandfathers from the repressed, from the Volga regions. But neither they, nor my father, neither by word nor hint, gave me the right to twitter something about tyranny and bustle about counting doughs from "lost profit." These were fundamental people, with a difficult fate, but great for their work and simple human logic. That is why he was brought up not in malice, but in love; that is why the sobs of some nationalities are disgusting to this day, who have forgotten about their smear in the inhuman, but sacredly remember the enduring anger, about the allegedly "unjust" retribution. Retribution is always unfair when the snout is in fluff. Such "combinatorics" is certainly clear to me, and I assure you that I have never been mistaken in this matter and will never be mistaken who is hu. There are both personal experience and worthy examples of the life of others.

[ser56]

If not a secret, why are these low-profile political provocations published? And with a certain periodicity? Raise traffic?

[paul3390]

Oh - not with your rating, then smear the snot on its face in this regard ..

[ser56]

Quote: paul3390

Oh - not with your rating.

funny argument

[ser56]

Quote: ccsr

because the temple has long been restored

was he really restored to the USSR?

[mavrus]

Quote: Whatislove

Are we discussing my age or Comrade Stalin? If my mistake offended you, then I apologize

What is the attitude of youth to Stalin?
I have a daughter-in-law (already over 30), so she is still confused: "Who was before Khrushchev or Lenin?"
So, as they are shown in the cinema, so they relate ...

[Laurus]

The homegrown whistleblowers of Stalin, led by Putin and Medvedev, have already played out to the point that in the EU the USSR is equated with Nazi Germany, and the Red Army - with the Wehrmacht. This is all from your submission, whistleblowers.

[Old26]

Quote: paul3390

To begin with - they would stop bashfully draping the Mausoleum during the parades.

I agree with this.

Quote: paul3390

And they hung a portrait of the Supreme ..

A moot point. Some want, others not.

Quote: paul3390

And the troops to go under the red banners on May 9th.

And under what banners are they now? At the beginning, three banners are made: the state flag, the Victory’s zanyme and the banner of the armed forces. Victory Banner - Red ...

Quote: paul3390

For what does the current RF have to Victory?

Direct. The Russian Federation is the first legal successor to the Soviet Union that won that war. Secondly - the legal successor of the republic which was called - the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic.
B-3 - we are DIRECT descendants of those who won this war ...

Quote: paul3390

We all remember who exactly then used the tricolor, the parade beneath it on the holy day for the country is simply blasphemy and spitting on the memory of our grandfathers and great-grandfathers ..

Well, you should not live solely in the past. Today's Russia is a given. With all its attributes and symbols.
Here is a draped Mausoleum for example, my father really does not like. He also regrets that Volgograd did not return the name Stalingrad. And the tricolor is completely calm. For today it is a state symbol, like a coat of arms
As for Vlasov and others, they said so, as did representatives of the White movement, who also had tricolor in Russian. so what will we do with it now? Replace, because the traitors spoke on it?

Quote: mavrus

What is the attitude of youth to Stalin?
I have a daughter-in-law (already over 30), so she is still confused: "Who was before Khrushchev or Lenin?"
So, as they are shown in the cinema, so they relate ...

It’s not quite like that with my daughter, but sometimes she asks questions that we who grew up in the USSR knew the answers to (in terms of the political component of that time)

[vladkuz]

All hope for youth. Let Pithecanthropus Confused with King Peas

[GenNick]

Quote: Svarog

Quote: Ezekiel

And then he deftly refocused on the descent from the family of victims of a tyrant ...

We have the entire elite deftly reoriented from Komsomol to liberals ..

I imagined a senior KGB officer going to church and b'et with his brow ...

[tank64rus]

Churchill said about Stalin a long time ago: "He accepted Russia with a plow, but left it with a nuclear bomb."

[vladkuz]

Old and long disproved fake. Churchill never said such a thing. And said one Isaac Deutscher, journalist, former Trotskyist

[vladkuz]

Quote: Nasr

Quote: Uncle Lee

myths about Stalin again ..... say the reckoning .... and who paid for the improper construction of the Stalin Line? Oh yes, the people and the army ...
https://topwar.ru/1978-zachem-stalin-unichtozhil-liniyu-stalina.html

And who will pay for the incompetent preparation for war and 41 years? People as always