US strike deals with China on Siberian Power deal


The launch of the Russian-Chinese Power of Siberia gas pipeline at the end of last year in a festive atmosphere initially provoked a somewhat mixed reaction in our country. A sufficiently large number of analysts spoke rather skeptically about the prospects for the payback of this far from cheap project, in which so far the political component clearly prevails over the economic one. And now they arrived news, forcing once again to think about whether the skeptics were right in this case.


While the whole world rejoices that Washington and Beijing have finally signed the first phase of the trade deal, Russia is fit to think. Yes, the fact that China and the USA have somewhat reduced the intensity of the confrontation, from which global markets have been feverish for more than a year and a half, is definitely good news - even oil has started to rise in price. However, there are nuances ...

One of the most important components of the agreement is the commitment of China to increase imports from the United States by $ 200 billion by 2021. So - more than a quarter of this huge amount (and specifically, 52.4 billion) falls on the purchase of energy! The specific “layout” of their types, of course, was not disclosed, but it is known for certain that the list will include not only coal, crude oil and oil products, but also liquefied natural gas. For comparison, based on plans announced at the official level, according to the contract signed by Gazprom with the Chinese CNPC, we are talking about the supply of 38 billion cubic meters of Russian “blue fuel” to the Celestial Empire per year. The total amount that is planned to be earned from this transaction in 30 years is 400 billion dollars. Feel the difference, as they say.

Of course, the Chinese energy market is huge, and growing every year. According to Gazprom’s management, China’s gas needs over the next decade and a half may well increase to 100 or more billion cubic meters per year. However, whether Beijing will increase consumption by increasing exports from Russia or whether it will continue to show loyalty to its main economic partner, the United States, is a big question. But in this case, the error can be extremely expensive. The construction of the second phase of the Power of Siberia gas pipeline was discussed back in 2018. It seems that the issue was even agreed upon at the level of personal negotiations between the leaders - Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping. This means new investments by the Russian side, but will there be any sense in them? In the context of the “trade war” with Washington throughout 2019, Chinese imports of US energy were zero. And suddenly - such a breakthrough ... What will happen next? After all, the United States sees as its main task the ousting of Russia from any energy markets and is unlikely to cede to us China without a very serious battle. With their deal with the PRC, they actually strike a blow at the effectiveness of the “Power of Siberia”.

We should not forget about the desire of Beijing to achieve energy independence through the development of its own projects in this area. Recall: at the end of last year in the Middle Kingdom announced the creation of a national operator of oil and gas pipelines. This innovation consists in combining the pipeline networks of three large state-owned operators - China National Petroleum Corp. (CNPC), Sinopec Group and China National Offshore Oil Corp. into one company led by Zhang Wei, who had previously led CNPC. According to the corresponding official statement, this reform should, among other things, “contribute to the expansion of gas supply and the intensification of prospecting and exploration work” aimed at opening new energy fields in China itself.

No one, of course, says that we should not cooperate with Beijing in the energy sector. Still worth it! In any case, the diversification of domestic exports, so far “deployed” strictly to the West, is a positive moment. However, at the same time, Russia needs to clearly understand and firmly remember that China will always and everywhere act in pursuit of its own interests, both economic and geopolitical. It would be time for Russia to learn how to act in this way.
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  1. rocket757 17 January 2020 08: 18 New
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    Of course, the Chinese energy market is huge, and growing every year.

    This is obvious.
    However, whether Beijing will increase consumption by increasing exports from Russia or whether it will continue to show loyalty to its main economic partner,

    And here is an equation with several unknowns.
    No one, of course, says that we should not cooperate with Beijing in the energy sector.

    Do not say why? Or maybe this can not be in principle?
    However, at the same time, Russia needs to clearly understand and firmly remember that China will always and everywhere act, pursuing exclusively its own interests

    But this is clear and understandable !!! Moreover, from all sides and for all!
    1. maxim947 17 January 2020 08: 54 New
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      ..and remember firmly that China will always and everywhere act, pursuing exclusively its own interests

      What is the feature here? This is how all countries behave, someone better at it, someone not. But everyone is trying, otherwise the country will simply cease to exist.
      As for the article, there are too many guesses, it is not yet known what they agreed on there, and the conclusions are already far-reaching. And in principle, figs with them ... They have their own graters.
      1. rocket757 17 January 2020 09: 08 New
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        Quote: maxim947
        too many guesses

        Ha, so we have it almost everywhere and in everything. Guessing, guessing, not guessing at all.
        1. maxim947 17 January 2020 09: 31 New
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          The gas pipeline built to China is a fait accompli, and regardless of their agreements, it will be 100% loaded.
          1. rocket757 17 January 2020 09: 41 New
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            Quote: maxim947
            Built gas pipeline in

            Judging by all the available information, the gas pipeline will play a serious role in the gasification of our distant regions, where there is simply no gas! After all, there are already many plans for building!
            Let's see how they will be implemented! Gas is ENERGY and CHEMICAL production, except for just gas supply to the population. In general, this is the development of the region ....
            There are such plans.
            1. maxim947 17 January 2020 09: 45 New
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              I completely agree. Plus this is the money necessary for the development of other industries.
              1. rocket757 17 January 2020 09: 54 New
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                Sell ​​resources and use the funds received in the CASE. For the good of people and the whole country.
                Just remember, the resources are not infinite, you must carefully use what is rich.
            2. tihonmarine 17 January 2020 09: 55 New
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              Quote: rocket757
              Judging by all the available information, the gas pipeline will play a serious role in the gasification of our distant regions

              Hard to believe.
              1. rocket757 17 January 2020 10: 05 New
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                Quote: tihonmarine
                Hard to believe.

                I’m surprised myself! But realistically, NOVATEK is building an industrial cluster of chemical production specifically for the gas "Power of Siberia" ... these are not plans, construction is already underway there. They will produce polymers and much more. This is a business project, nothing more.
                About the gasification of territories, the population ... here the question is muddy, it depends on how much they can squeeze out its "social responsibility" from Gazprom? It is clear that IT can be done only by one specific person ...
                We'll see.
                1. tihonmarine 17 January 2020 10: 44 New
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                  Quote: rocket757
                  About the gasification of territories, the population ... here the question is muddy, it depends on how much they can squeeze out its "social responsibility" from Gazprom?

                  Well, I also think so.
                  1. rocket757 17 January 2020 10: 51 New
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                    This is a problem, the social responsibility of our business, this is from the category of ... fantasies, unfortunately. Let’s see, the boom again and again hoping that it will turn out in favor of just people.
                    1. depressant 17 January 2020 11: 11 New
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                      Colleague maxim 947, let me slightly disagree with you.
                      Foreign economic graters - they directly concern us, the population. For our well-being and further development of the country in the global market depends on their success. Failed projects of this magnitude are unacceptable.
                      1. maxim947 17 January 2020 14: 15 New
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                        Failed projects of this magnitude are unacceptable.

                        Why write this project to failure? We can’t influence the negotiations between the United States and China with all our will, so why worry? They’re doing their brains for the second year there, and let them argue further. The fact that the pipe will be clogged, I personally have no doubt, the United States, with all desire, will not close the entire gas market in China. Although they can - if only they will resell our gas to them ... hi
                  2. Doctor 17 January 2020 12: 39 New
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                    Well, I also think so.


                    100% gasified quickly.

                    When they drove Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod, the branches did not grow to the side of their eyes. First bosses connected, pulled at the expense of collective farms and enterprises to themselves, then all the rest.
                    It is important that there is a main pipe.
                    1. tihonmarine 17 January 2020 13: 22 New
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                      Quote: Arzt
                      When they drove Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod, the branches did not grow to the side of their eyes.
                      So it was in 1983, 37 years ago, under Andropov. Nice to remember, but no more.
                2. Brancodd 17 January 2020 16: 48 New
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                  This is not NOVATEK. Amur Gas Processing Plant is being built by Gazprom itself. SIBUR Polymer Factories
                  1. rocket757 17 January 2020 17: 54 New
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                    Quote: Brancodd
                    This is not NOVATEK. Amur Gas Processing Plant is being built by Gazprom itself. SIBUR Polymer Factories

                    I have already been pointed out a mistake, on another "thread" of discussion ... this is GAZPROM and SIBUR.
                    Thank you.
                3. Lamp post 17 January 2020 18: 17 New
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                  Why from Gazprom? They already pulled gas to these regions. Further care of the local authorities about the population, as far as they are ready to accept natural gas. Although I do not exclude that there will be another program. There was a gasification program for the population from Gazprom; not all local authorities were able to use it correctly. So it is here.
                4. Amin_vivec 18 January 2020 12: 13 New
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                  The Power of Siberia gas pipeline, look at the map - from Baikal to Vladivostok follows. A gas pipeline is a network of compressor stations, storage facilities, equipment parks from an excavator to a helicopter, infrastructure, communications, security and fire departments, management of all stripes - these are jobs - darkness. And this is without an industrial cluster.
            3. Stalllker 18 January 2020 05: 09 New
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              So they immediately talked about this, that the pipe is not only for China, but also not less for the development of the Far East
          2. Avior 17 January 2020 11: 44 New
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            I'm sorry, but how did you determine what exactly is 100 percent?
            The Chinese will have to buy something in the United States, the most beneficial for them is energy, since other goods in China are simply cheaper than in the United States.
            1. Pandiurin 18 January 2020 14: 01 New
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              Compared to gas, the power of Siberia is clearly more expensive and there is absolutely no benefit for China in American gas. Another thing is that there is also an application for the American, in China a lot of things that work on coal for the environment (smog) are very bad in cities.
              Most likely, China will try to jump to one degree or another from these agreements, depending on the price situation and current relations with the United States (everything often changes unexpectedly there)
              1. Avior 18 January 2020 17: 19 New
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                China pledges to buy for a certain amount to balance the trade balance
                So that will buy
                Consumer goods will definitely not be there, it makes sense to buy it either something high-tech, if it is sold, or energy, since China still buys them, even if it is less profitable than from Russia.
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        2. Chaldon48 17 January 2020 11: 50 New
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          And what is there to guess, China is a cautious fellow traveler no more, about any alliance, and especially friendship can not be considered.
          1. tihonmarine 17 January 2020 13: 24 New
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            Quote: Chaldon48
            And what is there to guess, China is a cautious fellow traveler no more, about any alliance, and especially friendship can not be considered.

            I lived with them 16 in the same village, they need an “eye and an eye” behind them, do not lose sight and always turn around.
      2. Nyrobsky 17 January 2020 13: 03 New
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        Quote: maxim947
        As for the article, there are too many guesses, it is not yet known what they agreed on there, and the conclusions are already far-reaching.

        It also seems to me that the author is too thick. What do we have? - A valid contract with the PRC for 30 years which stipulates gas supply volumes and prices. We deliver, they accept and pay - almost guaranteed for 30 years, if some kind of force majeure out of the ordinary happens. Conclusion - Russia will receive its 400 billion dollars.
        The USA comes in with its liquefied gas. Relatively speaking, their LNG is 500 dollars per thousand, ours for 250 dollars per thousand. Roughly speaking, the Chinese, mixing these two prices, get gas at 375 per thousand cubic meters, i.e. pay an acceptable price for a trade war concession. With the extension of purchases of expensive American gas, after the agreed supply of energy resources in the amount of 52,4 billion dollars, in order to maintain a formula that reduces the cost of gas for the domestic market, the need for cheap Russian gas will continue.
        The strength of Siberia has prospects, namely, the extension of the gas pipeline to India with a branch to South Korea, since both countries have expressed their interest in implementing this project, which makes China a gas hub, in which China has its own small interest. So American deliveries do not pose a great threat to the Power of Siberia, BUT ........ China entered into a deal with the United States only after it received cheap gas and the ability to carry out a price maneuver in gas pricing for the domestic consumer, and the trouble is that with our cheap gas we sponsor the Chinese economy and, sadly, support the American LNG producer, for which a niche has now opened up in the Chinese market.
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        2. DRM
          DRM 18 January 2020 16: 04 New
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          Quote: Nyrobsky
          It also seems to me that the author is too thick. What do we have? - A valid contract with the PRC for 30 years which stipulates gas supply volumes and prices. We deliver, they accept and pay - almost guaranteed for 30 years, if some kind of force majeure out of the ordinary happens. Conclusion - Russia will receive its 400 billion dollars.

          There is such a way to consider yourself an unsurpassed sniper - draw 10 where you accidentally hit. Recall how it was. Negotiations on gas supplies to China were conducted for 10-15 years, but Russia could not come to a favorable agreement. And only after the Crimea and the imposition of sanctions did things move forward. The motives are purely political, to show everyone that I am not isolated in Russia. But under what conditions? The Chinese do not give a penny of money for the project, such as build a pipe and then we'll see. When the pipe was already under construction, the Chinese voiced a favorable gas price for themselves. This price turned out to be on the verge of profitability for Russia. But there was already nowhere to go: construction is underway and TV is trumpeting with might and main. The fact that this project is not profitable for Russia was officially announced at a meeting of the State Duma on April 24, 2015, even Deputy Minister of Energy Yuri Sentyurin: "In this case, we are not talking about investments in the project, which should subsequently pay off ..." The story about the development of the region is only a way to somehow brighten up a failed picture. Moreover, the gas pipeline is being built mainly as it is beneficial for contractors (structures affiliated with Arkady Rotenberg and Gennady Timchenko !!!), mostly far from settlements and only "reaches the people" on the border with China. The cut of money is already such that they prefer to remain silent about real value. It is only known that the original estimate has already been exceeded. The gas pipeline will reach its full capacity no earlier than in 10 years, and American gas can already be imported!
          So what is the Power of Siberia brother ?!
          1. Nyrobsky 18 January 2020 19: 17 New
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            What came before, how the construction went and what they came to, I know even without your excursion into the history of the project. I agree that the reality of any construction is such that a quarter of the costs are included in kickbacks even at the stage of design estimates. Where without this, the OBKhSS has died in Bose 30 years ago, along with a firing squad for major thefts. But this is how the mechanism for creating the middle class and business through theft is arranged in our state. And they judge us not for theft, but for being caught.
            Quote: DRM
            So what is the Power of Siberia brother ?!
            The question is not correct. The general leitmotif of the article is not aimed at elucidating the "strength" of the Siberian Force, but at the threat to this "force" from American LNG. Well, returning to the previously written, I can only once again confirm my point of view that there is no threat. There is a contract for 30 years under which we pump the agreed amount of gas, and China will pay the agreed amount. In parallel, American gas will drop. Yes, and let it go, it is the business of the Chinese, whose gas to buy and at what price.
            Quote: DRM
            Moreover, the gas pipeline is being built mainly because it is beneficial for contractors (structures affiliated with Arkady Rotenberg and Gennady Timchenko !!!), mostly far from settlements and only on the border with China "comes out to people."

            Gas pipelines are generally built along the shortest route, and not in zigzags, and only then from them, through the GDS network, bends are made to settlements and only if there is profitability. In Siberia, as well as throughout the North, life is mainly tied to rivers and the main territory is populated by little. No one will pull the string of the gas pipeline to the village where five residents are still alive. In Komi, there were 100-5 villages per 8 km of railroad, today 2 of them are on the verge of liquidation. What to gasify? It’s easier to fire wood. People must be returned, this is the problem.
      3. Pilat2009 17 January 2020 20: 52 New
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        Quote: maxim947
        And in principle, figs with them ... They have their own graters.

        Figs, figs. And the construction of the pipe flies a pretty penny and pays off in 5 years. The first thing is it’s unknown whether it will pay off
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    2. boriz 17 January 2020 23: 30 New
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      "" Of course, the Chinese energy market is huge, and growing every year. "

      This is obvious. "
      This is not at all obvious. The USA of all (including China) will bend towards, at least, the trade balance to zero, without deficit (from the USA). Therefore, exports from China to the United States will fall, while imports, on the contrary, will grow. Including LNG imports, although it is more expensive.
      China will not be able to replace the fall in US exports with export growth to the EU. There are exactly the same problems. Stimulation of domestic consumption due to a trade surplus will become impossible for China. Production will start to fall. Against the background of LNG supplies from the USA, this does not inspire optimism regarding gas supplies from the Russian Federation. Moreover, the cost of Chinese products due to LNG will clearly increase.
      In general, the more the country has supplied products to the United States in recent years, the greater the problems awaiting it. In this case, the Russian Federation will be the easiest. There is no exchange of goods with the USA. The situation will be like in the 20s - 30s of the last century, we will be glad to sell any technology, even if you can’t. And to track such illegal deliveries for the United States will be more difficult, the world will increasingly go out of the dollar zone, where each transaction was recorded online. And some countries with high technologies (for example Japan) will be in our currency zone.
  2. Mavrikiy 17 January 2020 08: 18 New
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    In any case, the diversification of domestic exports, so far “deployed” strictly to the West, is a positive moment. However, at the same time, Russia needs to clearly understand and firmly remember that China will always and everywhere act in pursuit of its own interests, both economic and geopolitical.
    Hinting at a gas pipeline to Korea or Japan?
    1. Ingvar 72 17 January 2020 08: 24 New
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      Or maybe all over the country to all (well, or almost all) to fail? recourse And then I was already tired of chopping wood for my mother, my back is protesting. crying
      1. Mavrikiy 17 January 2020 08: 31 New
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        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Or maybe all over the country to all (well, or almost all) to fail? recourse And then I was already tired of chopping wood for my mother, my back is protesting. crying

        Stop whining. Gas costs money. We will earn it for them, GAZPROM will add it to the tax, the budget will be filled, a pension will be added from it to mom, at least up to the minimum wage (oh, God forgive me), or even + 3 rubles.
        1. Ingvar 72 17 January 2020 08: 42 New
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          Quote: Mavrikiy
          and even + 3 rubles.

          Oh, and it's true that it's me. They’ll add a triple to retirement, I’ll add money to my mother, and we’ll buy a car of chopped firewood. good We must rely on ourselves, as the great Putin said! wassat “You don’t have to wait for the support of the state, of course you need to use it, only personal initiative and hard work on yourself will help. And I want to call you to this. We must recall the old Bolshevik songs: no one will help us - neither God, nor the Tsar, nor the hero. ”
          Laughter, laughter, but if Putin calls to remember the songs of the Bolsheviks, then the only thing that comes to mind is "Get up, branded curse ...."
        2. Tiksi-3 17 January 2020 08: 53 New
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          Quote: Mavrikiy
          GAZPROM will earn, will bring in tax, the budget will be filled

          the budget should be replenished not by selling the property of the whole people, but by normal goods !!
          1. Ingvar 72 17 January 2020 08: 58 New
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            Quote: Tiksi-3
            the budget should not be replenished by selling the assets of the whole people

            He has sarcasm! wink
        3. tihonmarine 17 January 2020 09: 56 New
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          Quote: Mavrikiy
          from it mom will add a pension, at least up to the minimum wage (oh, God forgive me), or even + 3 rubles.

          And for mom, the price of gas will not be raised by 3 rubles.
      2. Sergst 17 January 2020 08: 34 New
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        I don’t understand why you can’t do both of these things, and sell gas outside and seriously engage in gasification inside, and so that the end user’s connection itself costs a penny, not millions! Why???
        1. pmkemcity 17 January 2020 09: 47 New
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          While we had Tuleyev in power (Kuzbass), he said - a bolt to you, not gas! And who will buy coal? The old woman will squeeze out a couple of tons due to the cut, but she won’t fail, she will put her “bulyuten” where necessary. Gas is a deyuzhka, a cache, as menagers say. And coal is a headache, ranging from ecology to ever-hungry mining children.
          1. Sergst 17 January 2020 10: 11 New
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            Just with Kuzbass everything is clear, you are absolutely right here. But, and in other regions? Yes, I understand that it’s not a cheap business to run a trunk pipe, but it was also difficult and expensive to build power lines, but they were extended! What is not the goal for the national project? This is in the interests of the people, and therefore in the interests of the state!
            1. pmkemcity 17 January 2020 10: 15 New
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              Where is the people, and where is the state? For the modern Russian state, money exists only in the form of green pieces of paper. Everything else - the people there, or the main pipe - these are costs that should be minimized.
        2. tihonmarine 17 January 2020 10: 17 New
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          Quote: Sergst
          I don’t understand why you can’t do both of these things, and sell gas outside and seriously engage in gasification inside, and so that the end user’s connection itself costs a penny, not millions!

          Well, you yourself answered your question. "What would a consumer connection cost a penny." For pennies they did during the USSR, but not capitalists.
      3. Tiksi-3 17 January 2020 08: 49 New
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        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Or maybe all over the country to all (well, or almost all) to fail?

        drinks good
        and it’s time to sell not the resources (not renewable), but to produce the goods.
        1. NKT
          NKT 17 January 2020 09: 37 New
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          The slogan is certainly good, but it is ideal.
          But what to do when the final goods market is small and the raw materials market is large? Therefore, you have to be content only with the sale of raw materials. Europe or China is also not profitable to buy finished products, it is better to buy raw materials and produce them themselves.
          1. depressant 17 January 2020 11: 57 New
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            NKT what to do?
            Sechin (Rosneft),
            Khudainatov (Neftegazholding) do the following.
            They are preparing a deal with the formation of the Vostok Oil company for the exploitation of our practically new, undeveloped oil fields, and the richest ones. This will include
            Vankormskoe, Boat, Tagul, Payakhskoe - about 1 billion tons.
            Good, yes? But 40% of the company will be sold to Asians. Revenue from the sale will be $ 15 billion.
            Buyers, motivating by the difficulty of mining, bargain, require benefits:
            - Production tax exemption
            - Tax deduction on investment amount
            - Zero property rates
            Etc. etc.
            Over 30 years, benefits will amount to $ 40 billion and will go as a tax deduction.
            It turns out that the budget of our country will pay for the deal.
            Profit for foreigners, losses to us.
            With such profitable and unprofitable transactions for the budget, the foreign economic activity of our oligarchic monsters sins. Involuntarily you ask yourself a question - who is this Sechin, that he is allowed to do this? And Khudainatov - who?
          2. Tiksi-3 17 January 2020 12: 53 New
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            But what to do when the final market is small

            work! adopt laws conducive to the development of production, and anyone!
      4. AU Ivanov. 17 January 2020 11: 49 New
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        But I did not like the gas boiler. Not even the smell in the house. Therefore, the kitchen is on gas, and the heating is wood, since we have a pretty penny. Well, I put the stove myself. By the way, there are great ways to chop wood - youtube to help.
      5. Sling cutter 17 January 2020 21: 11 New
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        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 (Igor)

        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Or maybe all over the country to all (well, or almost all) to fail? And then I was already tired of chopping wood for my mother, my back is protesting.

        Firewood is much cheaper! Gas is, in the current paradigm, an ordinary collar around the neck of a people. Comrade count the connection, boiler, meter, check-verification and you will understand that firewood for this money is enough for a couple of lives, God grant her health.
        And you have fraternal advice, the kettle is made by automatic splitters, there is a nickel and your back is not indignant)
  3. lwxx 17 January 2020 08: 22 New
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    Each country acts as it benefits. Unless, of course, the traitors of their people are in power. But China has always been on guard of its interests, and it does not care about all kinds of internationalism and the friendship of peoples.
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    Once a month, or even more often, in the internet there is news like now Israel will lay a gas pipeline, now Azerbaijan has its own gas ... etc., the meaning of the articles is the same - GAZPROM is everything ... But it stands and prettier, despite the fact that EVERYTHING, here nakoy do such a stupid analytics, I do not know. It’s clear that China will gobble up everything, it has the main power generation of coal-fired TPPs, so far, it needs to transfer them all to gas, suffocating from smog
    1. Fan-fan 17 January 2020 11: 46 New
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      GAZPROM everything ... But he stands and prettier,
      He doesn’t get prettier at all, but suffers losses, if only they read on the Internet about Gazprom’s affairs.
      1. KCA
        KCA 17 January 2020 11: 51 New
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        Of course, losses, 3 megatubes to be pulled right away, this is a long-term investment, it won’t pay off in a day, you can buy vodka in 250 in the afternoon, and sell it in 500 at night, but not so much with pipes
      2. maidan.izrailovich 17 January 2020 12: 05 New
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        .... suffers losses, if only read on the Internet about the affairs of Gazprom.

        Year to year is not necessary. Judging Gazprom from the report for the last year is not worth it. Europe as a capricious girl constantly confuses cards. But Gazprom is working on an alternative to the moody girl.
        The Power of Siberia has a great future. According to experts, China on the transition from coal to gas. in the future, more than 1 trillion cubic meters will be required. gas. Russia produces 643 billion annually.
        Given a sufficient number of gas pipelines, then for Europe there will be no gas from Russia at all.
  5. evgic 17 January 2020 08: 25 New
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    Skirting analytics. China will either buy or not))).
  6. 75 Sergey 17 January 2020 08: 32 New
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    China’s energy market is already oversaturated, so our pipeline is unprofitable, and now it will be completely useless until China’s needs increase (and I hope that they will never increase).
    This fact shows that "darlings scold - only amuse." This agreement is not signed in one day, the preparation was still months ago, so all that we saw earlier is a well-played performance.
    I hope this is sobering, all those who do not consider China a threat to milking Russia.
  7. Basarev 17 January 2020 08: 39 New
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    A very effective move by the Americans. First draw the Russians into costs, and then discount their efforts.
  8. jonht 17 January 2020 08: 43 New
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    I’m wondering, the price of free gas, this time. What volumes and in what period can deliver, these are two. And thirdly, the stability of these deliveries, from the "super not reliable, not stable, shameless" (emphasize necessary) partner. hi
  9. Maks1995 17 January 2020 08: 43 New
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    Since the price of gas and other important things are not announced either there or there (like), then all this looks like good wishes on coffee grounds
  10. Valery Valery 17 January 2020 08: 43 New
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    were the skeptics right in this case?

    The author forgot to mention the names of these skeptics: Gozman, Navalny, Venediktov ... etc.
    And then immediately it becomes a lot and many understand ...
  11. svoit 17 January 2020 08: 47 New
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    So - more than a quarter of this huge amount (specifically, 52.4 billion) falls on the purchase of energy!

    The competitiveness of American goods is not quite high, so for example it is doubtful for gas that they can supply so much gas, and even at a price lower than Gazprom’s price (and for another, nobody needs it)
  12. Vladimir61 17 January 2020 08: 52 New
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    Why panic? For the second world economy, 38 billion, a spoon in a bowl. To panic, you need to compare with the internal gas consumption, at least. , middle peasants. The same Ukraine, with an economy that has sank to impossible, from 23 to 32 billion a year.
  13. knn54 17 January 2020 09: 02 New
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    PRC initially considered the "Power of Siberia" as a reserve, even strategic. option In the case of "misunderstandings" and sanctions, you can ONLY rely on a "pipe" that runs in the rear, through the territory of a friendly state.
  14. Yrec 17 January 2020 09: 09 New
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    Outright dibilism - to consider the "economic efficiency and payback" of all these SP-1/2, "Power of Siberia", "Turkish Stream". These pipelines (and many others) are umbilical cords connecting us with, to put it mildly, countries that are not friendly to us. Frankly, we don’t have any friends at all (except for the army and navy). Such projects (including nuclear power plants) dramatically reduce the likelihood of these countries being drawn into a conflict against us. I do not want to live in the country ala Iran or the DPRK and threaten the rest of the world because of the high nuclear fence. Yes, you have to pay for it in rubles, but not blood. For a long time, these "experts" did not sit in the trenches and did not go on the attack.
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    Now there is a round of warming relations between the United States and China, but the confrontation has not gone away. China, unlike Russia, not only speaks, but is very actively doing everything to develop and diversify the economy for its greater sustainability. First of all, Russia needs to develop its own technologies so that the same LNG from Yamal is not given back in exchange for Western ones. Although, as for me, this is part of the policy of diverting funds to the West, therefore very little is being done ..
  16. Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich 17 January 2020 09: 13 New
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    Chickens in the fall believe) I was always touched by the fact that people who have nothing to do with him seriously think about such projects and seriously think that people who invested in him didn’t calculate everything for 50 years ahead)) and for China this is a guarantee of energy security since the USA is not the most reliable partner, even though the main one.
    1. Fan-fan 17 January 2020 11: 52 New
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      they think that people who invested money in it did not count everything for 50 years))

      What did not count the stop of Nord Stream 2 in the last meters?
      But they already forgot how they dug up 504 km of the South Stream, as they made a mistake. And where are smart people with smart calculations?
      1. Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich 17 January 2020 15: 21 New
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        Nord Stream 2 will be completed this is a matter of time, and the south stream was subsequently used in the construction of the Turkish which, without a year, was cut as a tape for a week. So nothing happens in vain.
    2. Petrol cutter 17 January 2020 21: 35 New
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      "I was always touched by how seriously people who have nothing to do with him think about such projects and seriously think that people who invested in him didn’t calculate everything for 50 years ahead)"
      I totally agree. There is simply no reason not to agree.
      Perhaps this is the most balanced and correct comment to date.
  17. Ross xnumx 17 January 2020 09: 17 New
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    However, at the same time, Russia needs to clearly understand and firmly remember that China will always and everywhere act in pursuit of its own interests, both economic and geopolitical.

    And, let's write these words in a prominent place and will repeat them daily, like a Buddhist mantra ...
    It’s time to realize that the main trade between Russia and China is based on the erratic and unrestrained trade in natural (non-replenished or difficult to replenish) resources. And all this happens against the background of a complete absence of any visible good neighborly relations. We live in an atmosphere of tolerance of the Chinese leadership, which is completely inconsistent with either Russian interests or Russian requests. This policy of expecting a “passing corpse of the enemy” in the case of Russia should not be welcomed.
    1. Monster fat 17 January 2020 10: 59 New
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      You can of course "get puffed up" from proud "getting up from your knees", "puff out your cheeks" about your "growing power", from some kind of "somewhere" victories (once again), from "cartoons", talking about " the whole world is in ruins, "amuse yourself with the hopes that here are" tomorrow we are with China, "" here is China! "," together in China we will now show the USA! "," the dollar will collapse soon, "" the USA will fall apart soon " that is, to live in an illusory world invented by the Kiselev and Soloviev’s, but the reality is that now, it’s just that one great power, the USA, has set another great power, China, as a cancer, and even force and smile in this position.
      1. Nastia makarova 17 January 2020 12: 06 New
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        cancer put China usa, nonsense do not write
        1. Vasily Ponomarev 17 January 2020 12: 51 New
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          pledging to buy more from the us, the next many moves of the point?
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            Moreover, with the preservation of restrictive duties on Chinese goods in the United States and sanctions already imposed. And also, China pledged to allow US regulatory authorities access to Chinese jurisdiction to “jointly control” China and Chinese companies complying with US copyright and patent law. Moreover, this is only the first stage of the agreement, and from how China will comply with these agreements, there will be or will not be their second stage. yes
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              yes, it’s not easy for our patriots to otmazyvat beloved China, by the way, you do not know what the second stage of the transaction, and what is included in it?
  18. Guazdilla 17 January 2020 09: 19 New
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    "SI" la "SI" biri
    Pu tina si jin ping
  19. gorenina91 17 January 2020 09: 25 New
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    -Good article, but too "soft" and "politically correct" ...
    -The author did not say that Gazprom will begin to get out and lower the price of gas for the Chinese (it is already almost at the cost level) ...
    - In China, the domestic market is already oversaturated with gas ... -China made good profit of Turkmen gas (and continues in the same vein) ... -China today does not need Russian gas at all ...- maybe only as an instrument for blackmailing Russia ... -Why, in general, it was necessary to lay a gas pipeline to China ... -Russia itself only "framed" ... -and gave China a "control panel" for the Power of Siberia gas pipeline ...
    - China hasn’t invested a dime in the construction of the Power of Siberia gas pipeline ...
    -And then the Americans will simply begin to push China ...- and China will begin to buy LNG from the United States and constantly force Russia to further reduce the price of Russian gas (and this will China “compensate” for its purchases of “expensive” American LNG) .. .-at the expense of Russia ... -Only so ...
    - What kind of payback of the Russian Power of Siberia gas pipeline can be discussed ... -only in 200 years, if nothing changes ...
    1. curio 17 January 2020 11: 23 New
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      - What kind of payback is there for the Russian Power of Siberia gas pipeline? - And there no one thought about payback ..................... ALL "close and good" people have already earned during the construction and cutting of course, the price of "strength" = 1.1 trillion rubles. And after them, as you know, even the Flood.
  20. Ros 56 17 January 2020 09: 41 New
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    The author would send his opus to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, here he somehow does not roll.
  21. Operator 17 January 2020 09: 45 New
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    China is economically tightly tied to the United States, which is the largest market for Chinese products and a technology supplier.

    Therefore, the Chinese continue to dance to the tune of their economic overlord. For an attempt to escape (SCO, “One Belt, One Way”, “The Power of Siberia”), Donald Trump kicked Xi Jing Ping at the stables (by raising duties on Chinese goods by five times and establishing binding volumes of purchases of American energy at inflated prices) . As a result, China’s economic growth will decline and opportunities to finance its defense potential will decrease (which is an additional bonus for the United States).
  22. Pacifist 17 January 2020 09: 52 New
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    Oh, it's all gone ... bully
    And you can ask why, in this case, our LNG is cheaper than American and the same Europe is more inclined to buy it precisely for economic reasons?
    The market for Asia, not just China, is huge. There is enough space for everyone, and the Chinese are not vindictive, they are just evil and their memory is good. A country living under a 200-year development plan can afford tactical retreats in any war. In 10-15 years we’ll see where Der Hund ist begraben is. I expect it to be very interesting.
  23. Doctor 17 January 2020 10: 00 New
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    SS delivery plans for China:

    2020 - 5 billion cubic meters
    2021 - 10 billion
    2022 - 15 billion

    Maximum power - 38 billion

    It is planned to Europe in 2020-2022
    194 - 204 billion
  24. Snail N9 17 January 2020 10: 10 New
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    In fact, the United States with this "deal" bent China in full. It was enough to see who was not hiding his superiority, crucified about what the United States and the sour, stony face received, the silent representative of China at their joint briefing after the signing of the agreement. The United States, by this agreement, once again showed "who is the boss in the house" ..... this is not the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs with its eternal game of "giveaways" and "regrets."
  25. Romka 17 January 2020 10: 17 New
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    Do you think South Stream is cost-effective?
  26. Alex Fox 17 January 2020 10: 21 New
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    Quote: Mavrikiy
    from it mom will add a pension, at least up to the minimum wage (oh, God forgive me), or even + 3 rubles.

    Sharovarov do not forget to tie up :) the bacon smells like a mile away
  27. Sandro1977 17 January 2020 10: 21 New
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    "38 billion cubic meters of Russian" blue fuel "per year. The total amount that is planned to be raised from this transaction in 30 years is 400 billion dollars." it turns out planned to sell gas for 350 dollars? He is in the EU at wholesale in January at $ 134 for trading .... And the Chinese are not like fools
  28. New Year day 17 January 2020 10: 27 New
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    The Power of Siberia turned out to be very expensive in construction: it went up from 800 billion rubles to 1,1 trillion, but the country will have to wait for the profit from its operation. Gazprom in the contract pegged the price of gas to oil, based on its cost of $ 110 per barrel. However, today quotes are twisting at the level of 65 dollars. The pumping volume is 38 billion cubic meters, although now they plan to pump 5 billion cubic meters of gas per year.
    In order to reach the declared 38 billion cubic meters per year, it will take about another 10 years. And for this you need:
    to develop not only the Chayandinskoye field, but also the Kovykta field. It is necessary to connect these deposits with a new pipe for another 900 kilometers. Drill new wells, put new compressors, bring to mind, build a gas processing plant in the Amur region.
    In such conditions, the “Power of Siberia” will not pay off before 2048.
    At the same time, in 2017, Minister of Energy Alexander Novak, speaking in the State Duma, said that this was not a commercial project. That is, he will never pay off.
    China does not want to wait so much.
    China has partnered with a liquefied natural gas project in the Arctic. Russian authorities donated this gas to an international consortium led by Novatek. This gas will belong to an international consortium, including the Chinese. For 12 years, this consortium, including and China does not pay any taxes to Russia. Nothing at all. China gets its liquefied gas.
    The Power of Siberia is China’s strategic stock. Insurance. It is no accident that it is precisely in the areas where gas will be delivered to China that new terminals are being intensively built to receive liquefied natural gas. Without the calculation of Russian natural gas. This will allow China to dictate its terms to Russia.
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      This will allow China to dictate its terms to Russia.
      I will not add anything to the above.
  29. Air force 17 January 2020 10: 50 New
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    As maxim947 said, the gas pipeline is built and will be filled, and this is a fact. And the fact that Beijing and the United States have agreed well, and so with that, the United States is tearing the contract like a tusik heating pad. Where in these agreements is a direct blow to the "Power of Siberia"? I don’t see the blow to the second “branch” from the above, perhaps, if only. China itself will need a second branch, just like SP2 Europe. Considering that only the first phase of the agreement has been signed between China and the United States, and the United States is signing the agreement with one hand and Hong Kong is pumping with the other and planning to put the INF missiles next to China, I do not think that this agreement is unshakable and will not be broken as easily as For example, a deal with Iran and the United States at the official level calls China and Russia opponents and conducts an open fight with them, and the author says that this agreement is a blow to the "Power of Siberia". This is an ordinary tactical move in a strategic confrontation both from China and the United States, and the Power of Siberia gas pipeline is a strategic move that allows China to provide uninterrupted gas supplies at a low price, and Russia to strengthen its position in the global gas market. The United States has recently behaved as an unreliable and dangerous partner, and in the future it will behave even worse and I don’t think that strategists and analysts in both Russia and China are more stupid than the author of the article and will give their own advantages to the Americans, in a long confrontation, subject to direct threats and actions by the usa.
  30. L-39NG 17 January 2020 12: 25 New
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    This is not a blow from the United States, but from China. No need to blame the enemies, as long as the face itself is a curve.
  31. av58 17 January 2020 12: 29 New
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    Nonsense. The calmer Sino-US relations are, the better the economy works, and the more fuel is needed. American LNG at the scale of China, in principle, is not able to affect Russian supplies either in quantity or in price. This is not to mention the terms of the contract for the supply of Russian gas, which is directly related to Chinese money invested in the construction of the gas pipeline. The Chinese are not enemies laughing
  32. iouris 17 January 2020 12: 33 New
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    How would Gazprom not expired gas.
  33. Doctor 17 January 2020 13: 04 New
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    the commitment of the Celestial Empire to increase imports from the United States by $ 200 billion until 2021.


    China kirdyk.

    For 10 years, they pumped out 3 trillion from the States.



    GDP grew by leaps and bounds.



    To keep the pace of GDP at the same level, the difference is buy - sell should continue to increase. But the Americans slowed down. The Chinese are trying to sell in the domestic market, they threw up salaries - the expected increase in the cost of goods. Large companies began to dump from China.
    Samsung closed the last plant in the 3rd quarter of last year.

    https://24tv.ua/techno/ru/samsung_zakryl_svoj_poslednij_zavod_v_kitae_n1213785

    It's time to pull the pipe to Vietnam and Thailand! wassat
  34. Sapsan136 17 January 2020 13: 16 New
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    It is necessary to revive the domestic industry, if it’s not too late, but all those who yelled that it is not needed and we will all buy in the West to deport from the Russian Federation, let’s go. Mistrals from France will be taken away ... bolobols ... especially as citizenship , moreover, the NATO countries, they have long had and who they really serve and whom they work for, a no brainer ...
  35. Guazdilla 17 January 2020 14: 28 New
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    What is the result? S SISIPUSSI (SIBIRI PUTIN'S FORCE SI Jin Ping) - a problem.
    TURKISH ROUTE has taken place, but there are nuances in the form of payback on construction. In the final price for the old route through Ukraine, construction costs were not involved. Along the way, another annoyance loomed in the form of EastMed.

    Nord Stream.
    For some reason, all gas companies are predicting to their shareholders an increase in gas consumption. At the same time, European institutions emphasize their intention to reduce gas consumption in Europe, primarily for environmental reasons. The 2016 Reference Scenario report prepared by the European Commission in 2016 suggested a 16% reduction in gas consumption by 2050; at the same time, the growth of its imports (against the background of a significant reduction in own production in Europe) should not exceed 19%. In 2018, a report prepared by Shell proceeded from the goal of limiting the temperature increase on the planet to 2 degrees. The document stipulated that in order to achieve this indicator, gas consumption in Europe should be reduced by 2050% by 33 - to 360 billion cubic meters. Norwegian company Equinor Energy made an even more radical forecast for a reduction in gas consumption in Europe - by more than 50%.
    It will not be reduced at the expense of Norwegian and Dutch gas. And there you look, and the United States over time will completely replace the supply of "toxic" gas from Russia to Europe with "free and democratic" gas (LNG) of its own production.
  36. Brancodd 17 January 2020 17: 00 New
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    Frankly, I do not see any cons. This is not only raw materials to China, but also products at new gas processing plants in the Amur Region. By the way, the Amur Gas Processing Plant is one of the largest gas processing complexes in the world. With its help, there is the prospect of seriously moving Germany to the Chinese market of chemical products and the polymer market through its own raw materials and logistics. As far as I remember, we always wanted to trade not only in raw materials and create new jobs. All of this would not have been possible without the Power of Siberia. Well, this is also the gasification of the cosmodrome of the East and the Far East region as a whole. I believe that the second gas pipeline through Mongolia should also be built. The environmental problems (coal generation) are so serious that the need for gas imports to China will significantly exceed the designated milestone of 100 billion m3. This market in the next 10 years will be commensurate with the European one.
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      Will not. Europe does not stand still in its development. It’s more correct to say that in 10 years the Chinese market will be as large as the European market today.
  37. Marik Komarik 17 January 2020 18: 29 New
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    The fact that the United States will crowd out competitors from any field is understandable. Hundreds of billions of dollars of alleged purchases from China (and even annual) can not be limited only to agricultural products. So if the Russian Federation cannot offer China anything more serious than gas and oil, then the situation for the Russian Federation will only worsen. Moreover, China is seriously determined to engage in production at home, and even in the disputed territories of the southeast sea ... That's something like that ...
  38. Finn 17 January 2020 20: 44 New
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    Maybe also pipelines from Syria, Iraq, Libya will begin to lay?
  39. starshina78 17 January 2020 20: 51 New
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    The Power of Siberia was built entirely at the expense of the Russian budget. China has not invested a single gram, despite assurances about investing in the construction of the pipeline. The cost of the "Power of Siberia" increased from the original by 30 billion. dollars. This adventure cost us 100 billion. dollars. How many hospitals could be built, equipment purchased for them, kindergartens and schools built. And so everything is "into the pipe."
    1. NordUral 19 January 2020 00: 16 New
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      I read it somewhere, I don’t remember, I need to look for what it will pay off oh, not soon, if at all.
      And so - everything is in order - a penny will drip a penny.
  40. turbris 17 January 2020 22: 04 New
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    What did the author write about? Yes, even under such a heading! "However, at the same time, Russia needs to clearly understand and firmly remember that China will always and everywhere act in pursuit of its own interests, both economic and geopolitical. To act in this way, it would be time for Russia to learn how to do this." That's all that is in the article, but about China everyone has long understood everything, regarding the observance of their own interests exclusively, I don’t understand the meaning of what was written.
  41. Ildar with 18 January 2020 06: 40 New
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    author do not panic !!! Remember my word - China this year will ask for the SECOND BRANCH of the Power of Siberia !!!
    1. NordUral 19 January 2020 00: 13 New
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      As you do not ask, the price is a feast for the eyes. This is not for us, but for the best friend.
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    The Americans were tortured in attempts to boost our non-resource-based economy.
  43. Vladimir Mashkov 18 January 2020 12: 01 New
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    The fear is reasonable. However, I do not think that Lavrov and Putin do not know what Alexander knows. smile
  44. kiborg 18 January 2020 12: 13 New
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    Gazprom must invest in the space industry. There is less gas on the planet, after 70 years it will not be there. But it is full on Jupiter. This is where spaceships that will be built on Gazprom’s investment come in handy. Why ships? You can immediately pipe and call the project "Power of the Galaxy", for example. Yes, thicker and more authentic ... Yes to Miller in ...
    Accustomed to a freebie. Instead of developing their industry, they trade in resources. And they are proud of it. It is tasty to eat and sleep sweetly only for those who are near this raw material trough. What about the rest? What to do with the 150 millionth population?
    1. NordUral 19 January 2020 00: 12 New
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      To moan and envy if there is no mind and will.
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        Stupid you. Here you have painted two toy general’s stars, you can rejoice. But to become a general in real life, a lot is required .. Sometimes, as in a famous joke about the children of the colonel. So it’s in the authorities, and in the leadership of Gazprom and similar structures. They will not even let you stand nearby, as well as the remaining 150 million. And you will moan and envy, or to amuse your vanity with painted toy generals stars ...
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          boris! I’m not stupid, but I won’t show a finger ... And these are the stars for me on the drum. It just shows how many people in VO agree with me, and not with bots like you.
          1. kiborg 19 January 2020 15: 56 New
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            Stars only show the level of commitment on this resource or the degree of idleness.
            Both, for authority, can be awarded the title of at least a marshal. So who is the bot here. IN authority for me is not ..
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              And then what are you hanging on in? Job? And about idleness - since I’m a little over 70, I can and do a little lounging.
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                well, a bit of it is very modest ... More than 12 thousand useless comments are clearly pulling on the troll ...
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                  But I wrote, my friend, a pensioner, I miss ... and talking to you and people like you can become a marshal of the Universe. Bye, you are bored with me.
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      What about the rest? What to do with the 150 millionth population?

      This population is reducing its size.
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  46. Destructor 18 January 2020 17: 35 New
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    It’s time to act in this way for a long time to learn and Russia


    I do not agree with the author regarding the fact that we should adopt this type of behavior from China and other countries. Russia assumes the functions of maintaining security on our planet (Syria is an example of this), which means that selfish behavior is unacceptable.

    Recall that our president has repeatedly repeated the thesis that there cannot be a unipolar world, since the world is multipolar ...

    Therefore, it is necessary to take into account the views of all parties!
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    I think that the passions around the Power of Siberia are heating up in vain. China has not completed its development and it will need a lot of gas, especially since American LNG is more expensive than pipe LNG and will not compete with Russian gas.
  48. NordUral 19 January 2020 00: 10 New
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    According to the information that flashed on the network, the "SS" is effective only for the Chinese and "our" oligarchs, and Russia doesn’t shine for us here except for pathetic bits.
  49. oracul 19 January 2020 09: 36 New
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    Actually what is the fuss about? We knew what we were going to - to protect ourselves in case of problems in Europe. Solved the problem. China also insured against complications from the United States. And this is a given that must be taken into account. During the years of the USSR, we perceived our allies taking into account the ideological component. Life has shown that everything rested on constant help from our side. Americans outbid national elites. So it's time to part with the usual approaches to alliance. Rather, partnership in the market according to the situation.