How Soviet troops liberated Warsaw

How Soviet troops liberated Warsaw

Tanks T-34 of the 1st Army of the Polish Army during the Warsaw-Poznan offensive operation


The Agony of the Third Reich. 75 years ago, on January 17, 1945, the troops of the 1st Belorussian Front under the command of Marshal Zhukov, including the 1st Army of the Polish Army, liberated the capital of Poland - Warsaw. The city was ruled by the Nazis on September 28, 1939. Now the feat of Soviet soldiers in Poland is slandered or forgotten.

General situation before the battle


In September 1939, Poland was occupied by German troops. Some regions of Poland (Poznan, Polish Pomerania, etc.) were annexed and included in the Reich, the Governor-General was created in other Polish territories. Some Poles put up with the occupation and even joined the Wehrmacht, the police, while others tried to resist. For the liberation of Poland fought the formation of a different political orientation: Guard Ludov (military organization of the Polish Labor Party); the pro-Soviet Army of Ludov (formed on January 1, 1944 on the basis of the Guard of Ludova); Craiova Army (subordinate to the Polish government in exile in London); Peasant battalions (cotton battalions); various partisan detachments, including under the command of Soviet officers.

The Polish resistance was guided either by the West - the Army of Craiova (AK), or by the USSR - the Guard and then the Army of Ludov. The attitude of AK representatives towards the Russian troops entering Poland was hostile. Marshal Rokossovsky recalled that Akovo officers wearing Polish uniforms held themselves arrogant, rejected the offer of engaging in battles against the Nazis, claiming that the AK was subordinate only to the Polish government in London. The Poles said: “Against the Red Army weapon We’ll not use it, but we don’t want to have any contacts. ” In reality, Polish nationalists were repeatedly noted in opposition to the Red Army, committed terrorist acts and sabotage in the Soviet rear. Akovtsy obeyed the instructions of the government in London. They tried to liberate part of Poland with Warsaw and restore the Polish state.

On August 1, 1944, the Craiova Army, in accordance with its plan, code-named "The Tempest", raised an uprising in Warsaw in order to free it without the help of the Russians and to provide the Polish émigré government with the opportunity to return to the country. If the uprising was successful, the Polish government in London could get a strong political argument against the pro-Soviet Craiova Rada Narodova - the organization of Polish national-patriotic forces, created in January 1944 and the Polish Committee for National Liberation, created in Moscow on July 21, 1944 as a friendly interim government Poland after the entry of Soviet troops into its territory. The Polish Committee planned to build a people's democratic Poland. That is, there was a struggle for the future of Poland. Part of Polish society advocated the past: “The West will help us”, Russophobia, restoration of the old order with the rule of the former “elite”, the class of owners. Another part of the Poles looked to the future, saw in the USSR a model for a new people's democratic Poland.

As a result, the adventure of the Polish government in exile and the AK command failed. The German garrison showed strong resistance. It was reinforced by parts of the SS and the police, brought to 50 thousand groupings. The 1st Belorussian Front, bloodless by heavy fighting in Belarus and the eastern regions of Poland, with extended communications, lagging behind, could not force the Vistula and render substantial assistance to the uprising in Warsaw. On October 2, the AK command surrendered. The uprising, lasting 63 days, collapsed. Left-bank Warsaw was almost completely destroyed.


Warsaw-Poznan offensive operation


The Soviet Headquarters in the framework of the strategic Wisla-Oder operation prepared the Warsaw-Poznan operation. In early January 1945, the troops of the 1st Belorussian Front, under the command of Marshal Zhukov, occupied the line along the Vistula River (from Serotsk to Yuzefuv), holding bridgeheads on its western shore in the areas of Magnushev and Pulawy. The 1st BF included: 47th, 61st, 5th Assault, 8th Guards, 69th, 33rd and 3rd Attack Army, 2nd and 1st Guards Tank Armies , 1st Army of the Polish Army, 16th Air Army, 2nd and 7th Guards Cavalry Corps, 11th and 9th Tank Corps. In Warsaw, the German 9th Field Army from the Army Group A defended.

The Soviet command planned to dismember the enemy group and defeat it in parts. The main blow was inflicted from the Magnushevsky bridgehead in the direction of Kutno - Poznan, by the forces of the 61st, 5th Shock, 8th Guards Armies, 1st and 2nd Guards Tank Armies and the 2nd Guards Cavalry Corps. To develop success in the main direction, a second echelon of the front — the 3rd strike army — was advanced. The second blow was to be delivered from the Pulawski bridgehead in the direction of Radom and Lodz of the 69th and 33rd armies, the 7th Guards Cavalry Corps. The 47th Army was advancing north of Warsaw, it was to bypass the Polish capital in the direction of Blon. The 1st Army of the Polish Army received the task, in cooperation with the troops of the 47th, 61st Armies and the 2nd Guards Tank Army, to defeat the Wehrmacht of Warsaw and liberate the Polish capital. The first to enter the city were the Polish units.

The 1st Polish Army was formed in March 1944 on the basis of the 1st Polish Corps, which in turn was deployed in August 1943 on the basis of the 1st Polish Infantry Division named after Tadeusz Kosciuszko. The ranks of the army included not only Polish citizens, but also citizens of the USSR (mainly of Polish origin). The Soviet side provided the army with weapons, equipment and equipment. Her first commander was Lieutenant General Zygmunt Burling. By the beginning of the Warsaw operation, the army was commanded by General Stanislav Poplavsky and it numbered over 90 thousand people.

In July 944, the 1st Polish Army (4 infantry and 1 anti-aircraft artillery divisions, 1 armored, 1 cavalry, 5 artillery brigades, 2 air regiments and other units) began military operations, being under operational control of the 1st Belorussian Front. Polish divisions forced the Western Bug and entered Poland. Here, the 1st Army was combined with the partisan Army Ludova into a single Polish Army. In September, the Polish army liberated the right-bank suburb of Warsaw - Prague, and then made an unsuccessful attempt to force the Vistula to support the uprising in Warsaw.




Poles meet warriors-liberators

The liberation of Warsaw


The Warsaw-Poznan offensive operation began on January 14, 1945. The advanced battalions of the Soviet armies attacked on the Magnushevsky and Pulavsky bridgeheads on the front over 100 kilometers. On the first day, units of the 61st, 5th shock and 8th guards armies penetrated the enemy defenses, and parts of the 69th and 33rd armies, 9th and 11th tank corps broke through the enemy defenses to a depth of 20 km On January 15-16, the enemy’s defense was finally breached, the gap was significantly widened.

The 61st Army under the command of Colonel-General Belov bypassed the Polish capital from the south. On January 15, the 47th Army of Major General Perhorovich began an offensive north of Warsaw. On January 16, Perkhorovich’s army threw the enemy over the Vistula River and immediately crossed the river north of Warsaw. On the same day in the strip of the 5th Shock Army from the bridgehead on the left bank of the river. The pilgrim was introduced into the breakthrough by the 2nd Guards Tank Army of Bogdanov. Also, the 2nd Guards Cavalry Corps of Kryukov was introduced into the breakthrough. Our tankers made a swift raid of 80 km, covering the right flank of the German 46th Panzer Corps. Bogdanov’s army went to the Sochaczew district and cutting off the withdrawal routes of the Warsaw Wehrmacht group. The German command began to hastily withdraw troops in a northwest direction.

On January 16, on the Warsaw sector of the front, after artillery preparation, the Polish units also went on the offensive. Units of the 1st Polish Army crossed the Vistula, captured bridgeheads in the Warsaw area, and started fighting on its outskirts. On the right wing of the 1st Army of the Polish Army, the 2nd Infantry Division, using the success of units of the 47th Soviet Army, began crossing the Vistula River in the Kempa Kelpinskaya area and seized the bridgehead on the west bank. Commander Jan Rotkevich quickly transferred the main forces of the division to the west bank. On the left wing of the army, active operations began in the afternoon with an attack by the cavalry brigade (cavalrymen fought like infantry). The advance detachments of the 2nd and 3rd Lancers were able to cling to the opposite shore and squeeze the Nazis, to seize the bridgehead. The main forces of the cavalry brigade Colonel Radzivanovich crossed over them. Polish ulans developed their first success and by the end of the day they liberated the suburban villages of Oborki, Opach, Pyaski. This facilitated the movement of the 4th Infantry Division. At the center of the Polish army was the 6th Infantry Division of Colonel G. Sheypak. Here the Poles ran into a particularly stubborn resistance of the enemy. resisted especially stubbornly. The first attempt to force the Vistula on ice in the afternoon of January 16 was repulsed by the Nazis with heavy machine gun and artillery fire. The offensive was resumed only in the dark.

The advance of the units of the 61st and 47th armies from the south and north facilitated the movement of the Polish army. Gora Kalwaria and Piaseczno were freed. The main forces of the 2nd Guards Tank Army advanced rapidly forward, the Germans began to withdraw troops from Warsaw. At 8 a.m. on January 17, the 4th Infantry Regiment of the 2nd Division was the first to break into the streets of Warsaw. After 2 hours, he advanced to the largest metropolitan street - Marshalkovskaya. Other troops also entered the city — the 4th, 1st and 4th divisions, and the cavalry brigade. The Germans put up stubborn resistance in the area of ​​the old citadel and the Main Station. Many Nazis, seeing the hopelessness of the situation, fled or surrendered, others fought to the end. By 3 o’clock Warsaw was liberated.

Thus, bypassed from the south and north by the Soviet armies, the tank army, which closed the encirclement in Sochaczew, the German Warsaw garrison was finished off by the blows of the Polish units. Following the Polish army, units of the 47th and 61st armies entered Warsaw.

The city was very badly destroyed during the Warsaw Uprising and during the last battles. The military council of the front reported to the Supreme Commander: "Fascist barbarians destroyed the capital of Poland - Warsaw." Marshal Zhukov recalled: “With the severity of sophisticated sadists, the Nazis destroyed quarter after quarter. The largest industrial enterprises are wiped off the face of the earth. Residential homes blown up or burned. City economy is destroyed. Tens of thousands of inhabitants were destroyed, the rest were expelled. The city is dead. Listening to the stories of the inhabitants of Warsaw about the atrocities committed by the German fascists during the occupation and especially before the retreat, it was difficult to even understand the psychology and moral character of the enemy troops. ” The city was mined. Our soldiers did a great job of defusing German mines and ammunition.

During the 4-day offensive, the troops of the 1st BF defeated the main forces of the 9th German army. The breakthrough of the enemy’s defense, which began in three directions, merged into a single blow on the entire 17-km section of the front by January 270. The first stage of the Vistula-Oder operation, during which the Polish capital Warsaw was liberated, was successfully completed. The remnants of our troops defeated under the blows hastily retreated west. The German command tried to correct the situation by introducing reserves into the battle (the 19th and 25th tank divisions and part of the forces of the 10th motorized), but they were defeated, they could not seriously influence the outcome of the battle and also retreated. However, the Germans again showed a high combat class - Zhukov’s armies were unable to encircle and destroy the main forces of the German 46th Panzer Corps (in the Warsaw area) and the 56th Panzer Corps (between the Magnuszew and Pulaw bridgeheads). The Germans were able to avoid total destruction.


A column of Soviet soldiers on a march along the destroyed street of Warsaw


Residents of the Polish capital meet their liberators - Soviet soldiers and soldiers of the 1st Army of the Polish Army


Parade of the First Army of the Polish Army in liberated Warsaw. January 19, 1945

Memory of victory


For the liberation of Warsaw on June 9, 1945, the award was established - the medal "For the Liberation of Warsaw". The medal "For the Liberation of Warsaw" was awarded to direct participants in the assault and the liberation of Warsaw from January 14-17, 1945, as well as the organizers and leaders of military operations during the liberation of the capital of Poland.

Interestingly, after the war, Stalin was able to carry out a unique operation and neutralized the "Polish ram", which the West had set against Russia-Russia for centuries. Poland became a friend and ally of the Soviet Union. Two fraternal Slavic peoples flourished in a common socialist camp.

In memory of the victory over a common enemy and as a symbol of the military friendship of two fraternal armies in Prague, a suburb of Warsaw, a granite monument was erected on November 18, 1945. Monument to the Soviet-Polish brotherhood in arms, popularly called "The Four Sleeping". There were depicted two Soviet and two Polish soldiers. In granite, in two languages, Polish and Russian, the words are carved: “Glory to the heroes of the Soviet army — comrades in arms who gave their lives for the freedom and independence of the Polish people!” In 2011, the monument was dismantled.

Unfortunately, at present the Polish government has forgotten the lessons of the past, how the First and Second Polish-Lithuanian Species perished. Poland is again turned into an enemy of Russia, a strategic outpost of the West in eastern Europe against the Russians. Warsaw builds its future by absorbing fragments of the Russian world (parts of Belaya and Little Russia). History The Great War was rewritten and isolated. Now the liberation of Poland by Soviet soldiers is a "new occupation." The victims of almost 580 thousand Soviet soldiers, who in 1944-1945. they gave their lives for the restoration of the Polish state, are forgotten or spit on. Hitler and Stalin, the Reich and the USSR are put on the same board. Crimes of the pre-war Polish elite are forgotten, or are praised.


Medal "For the liberation of Warsaw"


Monument to the Soviet-Polish brotherhood in arms (Warsaw). 2010 year
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  1. Vladimir_2U 17 January 2020 05: 48 New
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    The 1st Polish Army was formed in March 1944 on the basis of the 1st Polish Corps, which in turn was deployed in August 1943 on the basis of the 1st Polish Infantry Division named after Tadeusz Kosciuszko. The ranks of the army included not only Polish citizens, but also citizens of the USSR (mainly of Polish origin). The Soviet side provided the army with weapons, equipment and equipment. Her first commander was Lieutenant General Sigmund Burling. By the beginning of the Warsaw operation, the army was commanded by General Stanislav Poplavsky and it numbered over 90 thousand people
    How is it that everyone knows that all Polish officers in Katyn were shot! Or is it nonsense Goebbels and Yakovlev?
    1. Hunter 2 17 January 2020 05: 56 New
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      More than 600 thousand Soviet soldiers died during the liberation of Poland from Nazism. More than 1 million of our soldiers gave their lives for the liberation of Europe ... Ungrateful scum - after that they adopt the resolutions of the European Parliament on the guilt of the USSR in unleashing WWII. There are simply no words.
      You need to get more documents from the archives, show how and what actually happened, do it regularly !!!
      1. Uncle lee 17 January 2020 06: 12 New
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        More than 600000 people died, the liberators of Poland .... And the lords now declare: we did not ask us to release!
        1. Tatyana 17 January 2020 06: 40 New
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          In the liberation of Poland from the German invaders as part of the Polish People’s Army, not only the natives of Poland participated, but also the citizens of the USSR - both Poles and Russians and representatives of other nationalities.

          For example, my husband’s uncle Stanislav Karlovich Grokhochinsky (1899-1992) - Artillery Major General of the USSR Armed Forces, Brigadier General of the Polish People's Army. During the Second World War - Head of artillery of the 2nd Air Defense Corps in Leningrad.
          I don’t know for sure whether he participated in the liberation of Warsaw - he probably participated. I am proud of him as if he were Russian.

          And understanding what is happening in Poland now, I sometimes think that it’s good that Stanislav Karlovich did not survive to this day. He would be very bitter now for his dead comrades, all the more so since he was a Pole by nationality.

          Stanislav Karlovich Grochochinsky (Polish: Stanisław Grochoczyński)
          Date of birth November 22, 1899. Place of birth Lodz, Kingdom of Poland, Russian Empire
          Date of death July 1, 1992 (92 years). Place of death Vilnius, Lithuania
          Belonging to the USSR
          The genus of troops is artillery. Years of service 1917-1953
          Rank
          1. Artillery Major General of the USSR Armed Forces
          2. Brigadier General of the Armed Forces of Poland
          Commanded
          - artillery of the Leningrad Air Defense Army
          - air defense artillery of the 1-th Polish army
          - air defense artillery of the Polish People's Army
          Battles / wars
          Russian civil war
          Soviet-Polish war
          Great Patriotic War
          Awards
          - Order of Lenin (twice)
          - Order of the Red Banner
          - Order of the Patriotic War I degree
          - Commander Cross of the Order of the Renaissance of Poland (1945)
          - Order of the “Cross of Grunwald” III degree (11 May 1945) - a decision of the Presidium of the State People’s Council of 11 May 1945 year "for the heroic efforts and actions shown in the fight against the German invaders" [4] [5]
          - The Cross of the Brave
          - Golden Cross of Merit (1946)

          It is unfortunate that in Warsaw, the Polish authorities demolished such a wonderful and beautiful monument to the heroes-liberators - Monument to the Soviet-Polish Brotherhood in Arms (Warsaw). 2010 year
          1. Vladimir_2U 17 January 2020 07: 05 New
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            Quote: Tatiana
            For example, my husband’s uncle Stanislav Karlovich Grokhochinsky (1899-1992) was a major general of artillery of the USSR Armed Forces, brigadier general of the Polish People’s Army. During the Second World War, he was the head of artillery of the 2nd Air Defense Corps in Leningrad.
            Worthy of all respect!
            Quote: Tatiana
            In the liberation of Poland from the German invaders as part of the Polish People’s Army, not only the natives of Poland participated, but also the citizens of the USSR - both Poles and Russians and representatives of other nationalities.
            I do not argue at all, in the end many people remember the excellent film "Four Tankmen ..! There it is perfectly reflected.
          2. kalibr 17 January 2020 08: 20 New
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            In the tank brigade named after Heroes of Westerplatte, my adoptive father Pyotr Shpakovsky, Order of the Red Banner, also fought. He was also awarded the Order of the Patriotic War of the 4st degree, - the Commander Cross of the Order of the Renaissance of Poland, - the Order of the “Grunwald Cross” of the 102nd degree, - the Cross of the Brave and the Golden Cross of Merit. It is interesting that he received all XNUMX crosses on the same day. They gathered a reception from Zhimersky and Rokossovsky and Polish officers who fought under their command for Poland, gave Soviet awards, and Polish awards to Soviet ones. Well ... there was a surprise: "He is a Pole!" Well, I had to explain that there is such a Smersh and ... And it was not without tragedy. One of our colonels drank and began to loudly declare that once four crosses, then he is now doomed, it would be better if they gave him our awards. A ++++ is a sign in the diagnosis of syphilis that everything ... you are incurable! Well, one of the Polish officers heard and was offended by Rokossovsky. He called him up, declared that he needed Poland as an ally, not an enemy, tore the shoulder straps and orders from him, and also arrested him in the USSR by plane. And although my father had very solid powers, he could not find out about his fate. Tank number XNUMX saw. But four tankmen and a dog did not meet. About this film he said that he liked him the most because the heroes there all the time “repair the tank”, that is, carry out its maintenance. This is shown very correctly.
            1. Tatyana 17 January 2020 08: 37 New
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              Interesting case. I can’t even believe that this happens! That is what it means with a fool at a diplomatic international reception to shamelessly "get drunk" and carry out loud obscene nonsense!
            2. Looking for 17 January 2020 16: 16 New
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              Well, Shpakovsky knows about everything, even about syphilis.
      2. Krasnodar 17 January 2020 06: 26 New
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        The Second World War was unleashed by the Munich agreement on Czechoslovakia. Molotov-Ribentrop guaranteed a buffer in the form of additional territory between the USSR and the Nazis, which turned out to be critical in 1941. As a result, he guaranteed the failure of the Blitzkrieg and the victory of the anti-Hitler coalition over the Reich.
        1. WILL 17 January 2020 06: 34 New
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          Munich agreement (Germany, Great Britain, France and Italy) - was also preceded by the Anschluss of Austria! Europe itself gave birth to a monster in the form of Nazi Germany, then indulged him in every way ... now they are trying to shift the blame for the beginning of WWII to the USSR .... horseradish (cabbage family) to them.
          1. Krasnodar 17 January 2020 06: 37 New
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            Oh what people! )))
            Good morning, Anschluss - another song, an intra-German affair, let’s say so.
            1. WILL 17 January 2020 06: 41 New
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              Don’t tell me ... Austria and Germany, although similar in spirit to the Countries, are still independent countries! Previously belonging to different Empires, Austro-Hungarian and German, in some ways even competing among themselves! hi
              1. Krasnodar 17 January 2020 06: 59 New
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                The problem is that many Austrians were in favor, with both hands
              2. Hantengri 17 January 2020 20: 44 New
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                Quote: ANIMAL
                Austria and Germany, although similar in spirit to the Countries, but still the countries are independent! Previously belonging to different Empires, Austro-Hungarian and German,

                And even earlier, together, were part of the Holy Roman Empire of the German nation. Together with the Czech Republic, by the way ...
            2. Alexey RA 17 January 2020 16: 35 New
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              Quote: Krasnodar
              Oh what people! )))
              Good morning, Anschluss - another song, an intra-German affair, let’s say so.

              So Czechoslovakia, in a sense, is also an intra-German affair - a struggle for the rights of the German minority, which is viciously oppressed by Czechs and Slovaks. And for the reunion of German Bohemia and Sudetenland with their native Germanism.
              Germans meet with flowers and smiles in the liberated territories their own army. smile
              1. Krasnodar 17 January 2020 16: 52 New
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                But Austria is completely inhabited by the Germans))
          2. BAI
            BAI 17 January 2020 13: 06 New
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            Well then you need to start with the introduction of German troops in the Rhine demilitarized zone.
            1. Alexey RA 17 January 2020 16: 26 New
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              Quote: BAI
              Well then you need to start with the introduction of German troops in the Rhine demilitarized zone.

              Or from the main violation of the Treaty of Versailles: the deployment of the post-Versailles Reichswehr into a mass conscript army banned for Germany. wink
              The guarantors of Versailles also ignored this violation.
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      4. Octopus 17 January 2020 07: 04 New
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        Quote: Hunter 2
        For the liberation of Europe, more than 1 million Our Warriors gave their Lives ...

        You see, recently the theory that Comrade Stalin’s Soviet Union could bring a lot of different things to Europe, but certainly not freedom. Freedom - This is not what Comrade Stalin had to offer. And the more attention, efforts including Russian Foreign Ministry and personally Vl. Putin, will be attracted by the topic of the role of the USSR in WWII at the international level, the stronger this concept will be.

        Because this is true.
        1. Hunter 2 17 January 2020 07: 12 New
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          Keep your wet fantasies to yourself. Can’t you do without Putin even in such a topic? You do not pray to him in the morning laughing
          In your opinion, did Hitler bring freedom to Europe before? Go take a pill ... and with the word Truth don't trump, it's not from your vocabulary!
          Quote: Octopus
          Quote: Hunter 2
          For the liberation of Europe, more than 1 million Our Warriors gave their Lives ...

          You see, recently the theory that Comrade Stalin’s Soviet Union could bring a lot of different things to Europe, but certainly not freedom. Freedom - This is not what Comrade Stalin had to offer. And the more attention, efforts including Russian Foreign Ministry and personally Vl. Putin, will be attracted by the topic of the role of the USSR in WWII at the international level, the stronger this concept will be.

          Because this is true.
          1. Octopus 17 January 2020 08: 21 New
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            Quote: Hunter 2
            Can't do without Putin? You do not pray to him in the morning

            Конечно.
            yesterday in the news
            He talked about how the world is at a crossroads.
            With someone like him, easily at home and away,
            And now I want someone like Putin.
            Such as Putin, full of strength,
            Such as Putin, so as not to drink.
            Such as Putin so as not to offend,
            Such as Putin, so as not to run away.

            (C) singer Natalie/Group "Singing together", 2004

            And the fact that every day there is an article on VO, or even not one, about the role of Poland in WWII, is not connected with the historical research of Mr. Putin, just a coincidence.

            Quote: Hunter 2
            In your opinion, did Hitler bring freedom to Europe before?

            You see. Russophobes from Eastern Europe and former Soviet brothers just advance this formulation of the question: was Hitler worse than Stalin or not? Whose mill are you pouring water on, let me ask?

            Try to think that Bulgarians, Romanians, some former Yugoslavs (at least Croats and Slovenes), Hungarians, Czechs, Slovaks, some Poles, Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians and Finns will answer this question. This is not so difficult.
            1. Hunter 2 17 January 2020 08: 45 New
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              Only in an inflamed brain can the idea of ​​comparing Stalin and Hitler be born! Me - It’s clear on whose mill you are pouring water. See - do not urinate too much!
              As for the peoples you listed, I was in all of the countries listed, I can say for sure - there are a lot of adequate people there, although everything is done to brainwash, including personalities like you.
              Poland, or rather the ruling elite of Poland - seasoned Russophobes, completely and completely support the publication of documents dipping them in their own feces, it was necessary to start doing this earlier.
              1. Octopus 17 January 2020 10: 03 New
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                Quote: Hunter 2
                although everything is done in order to brainwash, including personalities like you.

                Thank you, we are trying.
                Quote: Hunter 2
                Only in an inflamed brain can the idea of ​​comparing Stalin and Hitler be born!

                What good is the current official propaganda from the Russoph point of view? It constantly breaks into an already lost battle.
                whereas although the crimes of the Nazi regime were evaluated and punished by means of the Nuremberg trials, there is still an urgent need to raise awareness, carry out moral assessments and conduct legal inquiries into the crimes of stalinism and other dictatorships;
                F. whereas in some Member States, communist and Nazi ideologies are prohibited by law;

                European Parliament resolution of 19 September 2019 on the importance of European remembrance for the future of Europe (2019/2819 (RSP)
                535 in favor, 66 against and 52 abstained.

                On the issue that bothers you so much, nobody is just going to talk to you. In Europe, at least among officials, 80-90% consensus on this topic. Ahead of the next great battle.

                For example, the Russian Foreign Ministry is very concerned about the question: who did liberate Prague, Konev or Bunyachenko from the ROA. The Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs is conducting a lively discussion on this issue with the Rzeporye municipality, Prague South Butovo. Also, by the way, a lost discussion.

                The Russian Foreign Ministry will never understand until this happens, that the question is far more dangerous: not who liberated Prague, but who surrendered it to Konev.

                Prague was handed over to Konev by Dwight David Eisenhower, (later) the 34th President of the United States. And this course of discussion in Russia is categorically not needed. Because, in particular, it leads to the question of what happened in Yalta, and, as a result, what Russia is doing in the UN Security Council.
                1. Ezekiel 17 January 2020 11: 58 New
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                  Cyril, what is it really ?! You have just switched to a blatant lie, nonsense without any cover ..
                  Well, you can’t ... You are a civilized Troll, professional! Profession de foi belay
                  Get ready!
                  1. Octopus 17 January 2020 13: 32 New
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                    I'm not Cyril, sorry.
                    Quote: Ezekiel
                    nonsense without any cover

                    Please be more clear. The message that you are commenting on is quoted from an official document, a message about the facts of life (Konev-Rzhepory) and some sketch (Yalta-UN). What of this do you call outright lie? Kindly explain or choose your expressions more carefully.
          2. Sadam 17 January 2020 19: 02 New
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            Well, Hitler had his own plans for Poland with Stalin. freed from some, they cluttered others - they are that from good life these Poles were ripped up by Czechs, Hungarians in 50-60 years))
        2. carstorm 11 17 January 2020 08: 19 New
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          freedom is the ability to just stay alive first. this is what he brought there. if the USSR stopped at its borders what would you think would be the development of events? you decided to play the theory.
          1. Octopus 17 January 2020 08: 53 New
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            Quote: carstorm 11
            freedom is the ability to just stay alive first. he brought it there

            Where to go"? To Poland? In many ways - yes, but this is a very different conversation, you must agree. To Bulgaria? Not.
            Quote: carstorm 11
            if the USSR stopped at its borders what would you think would be the development of events?

            You in vain want to play with me an alternative story, I am relatively well oriented in it. The course of events is very different, it is necessary to clarify what is happening in Germany and in the West. Moreover, stopping at one’s borders (what? 39th year?) Is so not in the spirit of Comrade. Stalin, that it is necessary to clarify that this happened to him. Stopped at its borders - this is the end of the summer of the 44th, the Belarusian operation.
            And yes, for the USSR it’s 1.5 million (generalized) Russians who did not die in the last year of the war. The minus of the country of popular democracy, but the profit from popular democracy for the Russian people is not obvious to everyone.
        3. Andrey VOV 17 January 2020 08: 58 New
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          Maybe it’s time for you to trim the tentacles so that it does not print any indecency here?
          1. Octopus 17 January 2020 09: 30 New
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            Oh, stabbing in the comments, not often comes to that. Will you report to admins for insulting religious beliefs, so harsh?)))
          2. Ezekiel 17 January 2020 12: 15 New
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            This is the golden piece of staff Troll. It exists in many faces, and you can’t get rid of it ...
            The only way is "do not feed the troll", do not communicate with him. But he constantly changes his nicknames, is reborn. Out Foul skeptic this campaign is another reincarnation, very similar in style.
            1. Octopus 17 January 2020 13: 28 New
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              Quote: Ezekiel
              Outrageous Skeptic

              No, they didn’t guess.
              Quote: Ezekiel
              There are many faces, and you can’t get rid of it.

              Interesting. And what else?
            2. Foul skeptic 17 January 2020 15: 09 New
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              The logic of reasoning is interesting, in which the forum participant with a longer experience in the forum is called another reincarnation of someone than this one.
              All the more strange are these arguments from a user whose tenure on the forum is also shorter than the “next reincarnation”.
              But the fact that the “next reincarnation” always acts as an opponent in relation to the Octopus is not worth talking about.
        4. Olgovich 17 January 2020 10: 03 New
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          You see, the theory that Comrade Stalin’s Soviet Union could bring to Europe a lot of different things, but definitely not freedom.


          the USSR brought her LIFEif not reached so far.

          If the USSR liberated Poland 15 years later, there would not be ANY Pole there!
        5. Foul skeptic 17 January 2020 11: 40 New
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          The Soviet Union, Comrade Stalin, could bring a lot of different things to Europe, but certainly not freedom. Freedom is not what Comrade Stalin had to offer.

          Hello.
          What did Comrade Stalin offer Europe? You just write without clarification, but I really want to understand why Europe refused something.
          PS Talk about freedom and that it is somewhere, but somewhere it is not - this is a "tale of a white bull." Usually, all the “freedom” is, exaggerated, what color sofa to choose in the store from the existing offers of one model of the sofa in the store, and then on condition that the sofas of different colors are equal.
          1. Octopus 17 January 2020 16: 08 New
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            Quote: A vile skeptic
            exaggerated, what color sofa to choose in the store from existing offers of one model of sofa in the store

            Well, if you have such a question, then Comrade. Stalin had two stools option sofas, that is, freedom. The first sofa is basic. Popular democracy, without fascists, priests, landowners, bourgeoisie and reactionary officers, is, so to speak, basic. The second option is discounted. Anti-people democracy, priests, landlords, the bourgeoisie and reactionary officers, all available, you can even members of the NSDAP in the government and the Soviet faction in parliament.
            The first option went to more or less everyone. With local specifications, in Poland, for example, there were priests, in Bulgaria, for the first time, the Ministry of Defense served as one of the most famous fascist punishers in Greece, but on the whole, everything is popular, Soviet-style.

            The second option went to Austria. If you remember, Vienna was also liberated by the Red Army and stayed there until the 55th year, EMNIP.

            Now, the former countries of people's democracy are looking at a country of anti-people democracy, with the Nazis in the government and the SS in the parliament, and such: Oops! And so it was also possible?
        6. qQQQ 17 January 2020 16: 43 New
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          You see, the theory that Comrade Stalin’s Soviet Union could bring a lot of different things to Europe, but certainly not freedom, has become increasingly popular lately.

          We paid for everything in full with blood, so we brought it to Europe that we wanted, unfortunately, again, again, now we all have it. And Europe had less Hitler to please and push him to the East, so that at that moment, it is this Europe, could simply wipe itself.
          1. Octopus 17 January 2020 18: 02 New
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            so we brought to Europe what we wanted

            So this is the point. That’s what they brought here, and that’s what they wanted. Let me remind you that in some places freedom was brought to the people of Europe repeatedly, because they were not tried the first time, on a larger or smaller scale: Germany 53, Poland 56, Hungary 56, Czechoslovakia 68.

            A winning (for now) position would be that it what they wanted worn by the Stalinists (Khrushchevists and Brezhnevists), to whom the multinational Russian people have nothing to do, they were literally sent by the devil. In approximately this way, Austria staked out the place of the first victim of Nazi aggression. It would be a lie, of course, but so far many in the West still want to believe in this lie.

            But no, instead of the lies that the West likes, it broadcasts what is suitable only for domestic consumption in any private way, at least through the same RVIO, at least the lessons of patriotic education. What is it we worn. Well, OK, you - you mean, ex-brothers say, and they take out a notebook.

            And with whom, with whom, Lord God, did the Russian Foreign Ministry contact? With the Poles! Already these people like to talk about WWII, the main theme.
            1. qQQQ 17 January 2020 21: 55 New
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              Germany 53, Poland 56, Hungary 56, Czechoslovakia 68.

              You have listed the countries: the aggressor, the ally of the aggressor, the arms supplier, and the country that unleashed the WWII, so that we had every right to bring the freedom that we need, not them.
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                so that we had every right to bring that freedom that we need, and not them.

                Well, you see. You are speaking in the spirit of a fresh statement by the Polish Foreign Ministry about what the USSR brought to this country. So here, finally, the positions of Russophobes and patriots (are you a patriot?) Completely converge.
                1. qQQQ 18 January 2020 09: 21 New
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                  Quote: Octopus
                  You are speaking in the spirit of a fresh statement by the Polish Foreign Ministry about what the USSR brought to this country. So here, finally, are the positions of Russophobes and patriots (Are you a patriot?

                  I am, first of all, a pragmatist, and as far as I know, everyone in the World acts on the basis of their own interests, they just speak very little about it, more and more about democracy and some values ​​there.
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                    as far as I know, everyone in the World acts based on their own interests,

                    So no one argues. It’s just that many still want to stand on the stool of their unconditional moral superiority. And they miss the moment when it already stops working.
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                      Quote: Octopus
                      And they miss the moment when it already stops working.

                      You can’t argue with that either.
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                      It’s just that many still want to stand on the stool of their unconditional moral superiority.

                      hmm .. but it’s obvious that the USSR sinned this to the least degree in comparison with cap countries wink
                      I don’t want to get off the stool wassat
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                        Is it you who, based on Goebbels' works, have deduced or from MacArthur’s speeches? wassat
                        enchantingly repeat
                        and what was the "Evil"?
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  2. Olgovich 17 January 2020 09: 53 New
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    You need to get more documents from the archives, show how and what actually happened, do it regularly !!!

    Yes, you don’t even need to get anything: EVERYTHING is known, but is hushed up: only OUR country, The ONLY in the world came out in defense of Czechoslovakia and announced that it would fight for her. Even though Romania and Poland are against the passage.

    And Hitler’s accomplice Poland announced that attacking the USSR if he tries to help her.

    Only OUR country proposed to discuss the question of Czechoslovakia in the league of nations and condemn impending aggression, while France and England ...blocked this initiative. And they started WWII in Munich.

    To state all this, systematize and concretize in the Decree of the Duma and send it to the European Parliament, Poland, England, etc. let them try to challenge!
    Poke them in the face, and not gently blame them!
  3. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 18 January 2020 14: 09 New
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    "Ungrateful" - the term here is clearly superfluous ...
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      "Ungrateful" - the term here is clearly superfluous ...

      yes ... "fucked up" is more suitable.
  • Octopus 17 January 2020 06: 58 New
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    all Polish officers in Katyn were shot

    Well, not all, did not have time. The same Vladislav Anders in the 41st year was on the content of the department of Comrade Beria, it turned out by the way at that moment.
    One of the Lubian sitters was the mentioned Burling. Unlike Anders, he took the path of correction and cooperation with the administration and confirmed that he did not believe that the oath imposed obligations on him in relation to the Sikorsky government.

    As for Poplavsky, he is generally a Soviet person. In the Red Army since 1923. Bolshevik since 1928. The Bolsheviks have no nationality.
  • Alexey RA 17 January 2020 10: 48 New
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    How is it that everyone knows that all Polish officers in Katyn were shot! Or is it nonsense Goebbels and Yakovlev?

    In fact, the problem with the ethnically Polish officers in the WUA was quite serious.
    In July 1943, 67% of Kotsyushkov’s officers were from the KA. Despite some language problems, they successfully trained fighters and provided interaction with Soviet units.
    As for the technical branches of the armed forces: tank, self-propelled and rocket artillery, aviation; then such Polish specialists were practically absent. Therefore, the Soviet command decided to transfer entire units to the airspace: aviation, tank, self-propelled artillery, and jet artillery. The replacement of the personnel by the Poles in them was supposed to be carried out gradually as the Polish specialists were trained. In these units all the personnel wore Polish uniforms, commands and appeals, despite the fact that there were almost no Poles in them, were pronounced in Polish.

    With Polish BTVs it was generally funny:
    Since September 1944, the armored and mechanized troops of the VP were led by Dmitry Mostovenko. Ironically, the Eastern European Clio, it was he who commanded the tank and mechanized forces of the Belorussian Military District when the spacecraft entered Western Belarus in September 1939.

    In total:
    By the end of World War II, there were two armies with a total strength of approx. 180 thousand soldiers. At that time, the officer corps of the Air Force consisted of the following categories: spacecraft officers; officers - graduates of officer schools of the VP; pre-war officers (from Poland, German camps, PVSZ); officers who have been promoted to clandestine organizations during the occupation; podofitsery presented to the officer rank. Soviet commanders were approx. 50% (as of March 1945 - 15492 of 29372 VP officers). In particular, they accounted for 70% at the General Staff. On the whole, by May 9, 1945, 18996 Soviet officers (including 34 generals) passed through all arms of the air forces, 987 of them died, died of wounds or disappeared. At the time of the end of the war, Soviet officers were approx. 43% of the officers of the VP.


    I immediately remembered the old Schantz post about an interview with our WUA veteran. smile
    Talking with him about the Polish Army, I remembered a story about a young Soviet lieutenant sent to the Poles. All for prayer, but he does not. And then a colonel of the Polish Army came up to him - and: "Citizen lieutenant, why are you not in prayer?" "Citizen Colonel, I can't, I'm a Komsomol member!" Then the colonel approaches him and quietly: "But I am a party member with a pre-revolutionary guard. Running to prayer!"
    © wolfschanze
  • antivirus 18 January 2020 08: 42 New
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    Douda et al. "Londoners" need to remember the saying: CHEATS EMELYA - YOUR WEEK, but not life
  • Octopus 17 January 2020 06: 44 New
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    SAMSONOV FORGOTTEN TO REPLACE THE WORD IN THE TEXT SOVIET AT RUSSIAN! And the old woman is a slammer. I could not resist geopolitics, although by his standards modestly, this is good.

    However, copying the text of some (pro) Soviet author, as always went through.
    The victims of almost 580 thousand Soviet soldiers, who in 1944-1945. gave their lives for the restoration of the Polish state

    Where was the Russian leader-priest, the great Stalin, when 580 thousand Russian people gave their lives for alien state? Why not dissuade? Have political officers been shot?
    1. Foul skeptic 17 January 2020 12: 05 New
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      Where was the Russian leader-priest, the great Stalin, when 580 thousand Russian people gave their lives for a foreign state? Why not dissuade? Have political officers been shot?

      What a stupid manipulation.
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        What a stupid manipulation

        I do not understand the claims.
        Mr. Samsonov, if you read his work, has always been for Russian, and it was this word that he put where possible and impossible. And then suddenly something incomprehensible began to write, as if about international debt Soviet soldier. As they wrote in Soviet times.
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          It is not surprising that you do not understand if in the last answer write about Russian / Soviet gradation, although in the passage I highlighted (which is written about manipulation), this was not mentioned at all.
          1. Octopus 17 January 2020 16: 41 New
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            You don't seem to be in context.
            On the third page of the “history” from here, the work of the same author What society did Stalin create. Perhaps you will become more clear. Or he won’t, how it goes.
  • midshipman 17 January 2020 07: 58 New
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    Poles in Soviet times did not remember this date. I had to travel to Poland in the 80s on business trips. The graves of our fighters of the Red Army were already broken then
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    T-34 tanks of the 1st Army of the Polish Army during the Warsaw-Poznan offensive operation

    The gun’s mask was extremely unsuccessfully drawn on the first tank. Some kind of box turned out.
  • Avior 17 January 2020 09: 11 New
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    At one time, the grandfather marked the military path on a large map of Europe, to Stalingrad and from Stalingrad to Berlin via Warsaw. And the map markers are like that, plus thanks from the command, for Bydgoszcz and others ......
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      At one time, the grandfather marked the military path on a large map of Europe, to Stalingrad and from Stalingrad to Berlin via Warsaw.

      It’s good that we managed to keep all the awards in one hand ...
      For example, we had a lot of grandchildren and everyone took apart the orders and medals. What is preserved - God knows ...
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        We could have such a problem too, moreover, for some time they were given to their grandchildren like toys, but fortunately, they preserved both awards and Documents
        Perhaps, precisely because no one took them seriously at that time, nobody really needed anything, fortunately, nothing was lost, and was preserved in one place
        And I already looked at the award sheets and downloaded the site.
        1. Olgovich 17 January 2020 10: 48 New
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          Perhaps, precisely because no one took them seriously at that time, no one really needed

          We took it, um, seriously, and the result is a section for ... five .... Everyone went to different countries ....

          I found out the numbers of the awards on the website Feat of the People, I even wanted to bribe the same awards in return for the lost ones, but then I refused, this is wrong. And Replicas are toys.

          Let it be so ....
  • Olgovich 17 January 2020 09: 33 New
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    Here the Poles ran into a particularly stubborn resistance the enemy. resisted especially hard.

    In this way, bypassed from the south and north by the Soviet armies, the German Warsaw garrison was finished off by blows of the Polish units. Following the Polish army, units of the 47th and 61st armies entered Warsaw.

    March Zhukov
    m etc.

    I would like more accuracy regarding the use of the Russian language
    1. iouris 17 January 2020 12: 51 New
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      I wanted

      The devil is plotting. Not otherwise.
  • Operator 17 January 2020 10: 25 New
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    From Warsaw to Kustrin, the Red Army traveled 420 km in 21 days with a speed of 20 km per day, which is more than twice as fast as the Wehrmacht from the Soviet border to Smolensk (9 km per day).

    I am interested in who and how took into account the German casualties among military and civilians on the territory of the Third Reich in 1945. Accounting for forces of Germans (staying in prostration), Soviet, American and British troops (engaged in war), Poles, Czechs and French (engaged in reconstruction) their territories) do not offer.

    In this regard, it is advisable to see an Internet link to the following data:
    - The population of the Third Reich on September 1, 1939;
    - the growth rate of the population of the Third Reich on September 1, 1939;
    - The population of Germany, East Germany and Austria for 1946.

    For the USSR, these data are available, from which it is possible to determine the total decrease in the Soviet population (including unborn) based on WWII results - 34,5 million people.
  • Sergelis 17 January 2020 11: 47 New
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    Medals in the USSR were different.
    Here regarding Warsaw, Belgrade - for EXEMPTION,
    but in relation to Budapest, Koenigsberg, Berlin - for TAKING
    and these stupid Poles do not like us for something anyway
    1. Alexey RA 17 January 2020 16: 41 New
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      They demand that the medal for Warsaw should also begin with the words “for the capture”. smile
  • Mityay65 18 January 2020 01: 16 New
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    In general, in terms of the “capture” of Warsaw, we are almost hometown - Russians / Soviet troops they took Warsaw 4 times, in 1794, 1813, 1831, 1944. Warsaw turns out to be a world champion among capitals in this category. Berlin really comes on the heels, there are 3 test attempts ...
    This is probably why she is especially dear to us. love
  • 1536 18 January 2020 20: 43 New
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    In the poem A.S. Pushkin "Slanderers of Russia" there are lines for which the Poles and the rest of Europe hate us:
    "For what? Answer: for whether
    What is on the ruins of flaming Moscow
    We did not recognize the brazen will
    Who were you trembling under?
    For the fact that they plunged into the abyss
    We are idol over kingdoms
    And redeemed with our blood
    Europe’s liberty, honor and peace? .. "


    The poem is about Napoleon, it was written in 1831. But the words of the great Russian poet are true and relevant today. Is not it?
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