Rostec: Delivery of armored vehicles on the Armata platform to the troops has not yet begun

The supply of armored vehicles on the Armata platform to the Russian Armed Forces has not yet begun. This was stated by the head of the state corporation Rostec Sergey Chemezov.

Communicating with reporters after the message of the President of the Russian Federation to the Federal Assembly, Chemezov answered the question about the beginning of the arrival of armored vehicles on the Armata platform in the Russian army. According to the head of Rostec, the latest technology has not yet entered the troops.

Last November, Chemezov at the Dubai Airshow 2019 air show in Dubai announced that the first pilot industrial batch tanks The T-14 Armata will be delivered to the Russian armed forces in late 2019 or early 2020. At the same time, he did not specify the amount of equipment proposed for delivery. In total, the Uralvagonzavod, which is part of Rostec, must deliver 2021 tanks and infantry fighting vehicles on the Armata platform by 132.

According to available information, announced back in early 2019, the first batch of 12 T-14 Armata tanks will go into service with the Russian army in late 2019 - early 2020. In addition to the serial T-14, the armies will receive 4 armored repair and recovery vehicles (BREM) T-16 based on the "Armata". At the same time, it was claimed that the tanks would go into the series in a modified form after testing: they installed new systems and replaced some components and assemblies.

The first serial “Armata” will take part in the Victory Parade on Red Square, after which 12 tanks and four ARVs will supposedly be sent to different military units located in different climatic zones, for testing in conditions close to combat.

T-14 "Armata" - the newest main battle tank, the main innovation of which is an uninhabited tower. The gun is controlled remotely from an armored capsule located in the tank body. Equipped with 125-mm gun 2A82, diesel engine with a capacity of 1,5 thousand hp and active protection complex "Afganit".

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[Thrall]

The supply of armored vehicles on the Armata platform to the Russian Armed Forces has not yet begun. This was stated by the head of the state corporation Rostec Sergey Chemezov.

[cost]

The delivery of armored vehicles on the Armata platform to the troops has not yet begun

Stay connected, keep track of the situation

[Machito]

Then it will begin. May be. If you're lucky

[figwam]

Maybe they’ll roll out by Victory Day.

[Alf]

Quote: figvam

Maybe they’ll roll out by Victory Day.

To which ? 2020 or 2024?

[figwam]

Quote: Alf

To which ? 2020 or 2024?

Let's hope that by 2020)

[Alf]

Quote: figvam

Quote: Alf

To which ? 2020 or 2024?

Let's hope that by 2020)

Hope says Yes, experience suggests the exact opposite ...

[figwam]

Well, as they say, the first batch has already been made, apparently there is an acceptance.

[Oden280]

Who drowned for Borisov there? The braking of new weapons, with the exception of missile weapons, is entirely his merit.

[K-50]

The first serial “Armata” will take part in the Victory Parade on Red Square, after which 12 tanks and four ARVs will supposedly be sent to different military units located in different climatic zones, for testing in conditions close to combat.

Well.
For the glory of the ancestors, for fear of the enemy, good luck !!!

[mark1]

The deliveries of armored vehicles on the Armata platform to the Russian Armed Forces have not yet begun.

It happens ... with what regularly ...

[NEXUS]

But for window dressing at the Parade, Armata will be ... Through the looking glass.

[Artemiy_2]

how does one interfere with the other?

[Vladimir_2U]

For example, under Khrushchev, in general, models were transported across Red Square, and nothing. Or the T-35 before the war, and less than 100 of them were built, so the Armata is okay!

[NEXUS]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

For example, under Khrushchev, in general, models were transported across Red Square, and nothing. Or the T-35 before the war, and less than 100 of them were built, so the Armata is okay!

So you think this is normal? So that it dawns on you what stupidity you accepted as the norm, I’ll tell you that during the Union, a new tank from the drawing to the series went into the army in 4-5 years. The deep modernization, which the old tank was essentially making a new platform, took place in 2-3 years. How many Armata are already mumbled, and this, taking into account developments in the Black Eagle, T-95, etc.? It was shown to us in the year 15, and before that, how much was it built, brought up, changed, etc.? This is normal?

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: NEXUS

So that it dawns on you what stupidity you accepted as the norm, I’ll tell you that during the Union, a new tank from the drawing to the series went into the army in 4-5 years

Really? Definitely not lying? And then the T-80 was developed for 8 years! From 1968 to 1976. And not from scratch, but referring to the modernization of the t-64. Where are your 2-3 years?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

From 1968 to 1976. And not from scratch, but referring to the modernization of the t-64. Where are your 2-3 years?

Dear, the T-64A, from which the T-80 fought, just left for 4-5 years. What you scratched about 8 years is not entirely true, since ..

Object 219 joint venture 2 is a pre-production model with a new chassis for the full realization of the capabilities of a gas turbine engine. The tank also has tracks with a rubberized treadmill and rubber mounts. It was produced in a small series of 127 tanks in the period from 1971 to 1976

So it is necessary to count not until the year 76, but until the 71st ... after a new dvigun was installed on it, they improved a little, so to speak, but the main work was completed in 71, like a pre-production car.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: NEXUS

So it is necessary to count not until the year 76, but until the 71st ... after a new dvigun was installed on it, they improved a little, so to speak, but the main work was completed in 71, like a pre-production car.

How easy you have forgiven 5 years, well, so you can forgive Armata for a couple of years, because the economy is not so much now, compared to 1968 or 1976.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

How easy you have forgiven 5 years, well, so you can forgive Armata for a couple of years, because the economy is not so much now, compared to 1968 or 1976.

Nobody forgave anything ... I repeat, it is necessary to count not from the age of 76, but from the 71st. The main work on this topic was just completed in 71, and not in 76. Therefore, in my words there is no lie. And on the account of Armata ... if you count from when, in fact, it began to be developed, in fact, according to the finished project, since both the Black Eagle and the T-95 were created in iron, it will not work there for 8 years.

[tatarin_ru]

not from the age of 76, but from 71-

But you need to understand that the technique was also less technologically advanced, so it was much easier to launch the series. Not to mention the fact that the economy was stronger, military budgets were larger, control over execution was higher, etc.
So the delay, provided that everything, starting with drawings, equipment for the production of parts, development of technologies, training, was created from scratch, is completely justified.

[NEXUS]

Quote: tatarin_ru

But you need to understand that the technique was less technological,

But you miss that the technologies were not the same as now, as well as the production.

[tatarin_ru]

the technologies were not like they are now, nor was the production.

Yes, but here which side to look at.
Previously, there was more "push and pull" in technology, but now it takes 5 years to train an operator on a machine tool. The technologies have become more complicated and it is also more difficult to manage them, and it takes longer to train personnel.
Then, let’s say, electronics on technology used soap at least, more mechanics (units, mechanisms), and the one that was needed was all produced by Soviet industry, and even the absence of it could not stop mass production, it could be finalized during operation.
And now - if you don’t buy all the electronics from the Chinese (from the point of view of security, part of the defense should be in-house), imagine what kind of infrastructure you need to deploy from scratch. And the lack of a single board (unit), a node that we cannot buy / produce today can make the machine useless, respectively, stop the series.

[Andrzej k]

I have an irresistible impression that the problem is not in the tank itself, but in a completely new engine.
In the USSR, most of the tanks you are writing about had subsequent incarnations of the immortal W-2 to and there were no serious problems or delays,

already the first new 5TDF was the beginning of many years of torment in order to master it and put it in order. Despite the thousands of pieces and colossal funds.

Now with 12H360 they are tired for two decades, but the means and test samples are much smaller, and pulls much longer

[maidan.izrailovich]

I have an irresistible impression that the problem is not in the tank itself, but in a completely new engine.

Yes, there may actually be more problems. We won’t be told the details anyway.
The tank is revolutionary in itself. A lot of innovations. Hence the difficulties in launching the series. Well, plus all this after the destruction of the Soviet economy.

[user1212]

Quote: NEXUS

So you think this is normal?

Compare the development time for the P51 mustang and F35?

[Altona]

The TV has already become full of neo-imperial rhetoric, the emperor is broadcasting new generations of imperial equipment from the rostrum, and imperial equipment has not yet been received by the troops.

[Berber]

Long live the Russian Empire! Long live the Emperor! Even better - long live the USSR!

[shark]

And why does the Empire not suit you?

[vadsonen]

It suits everyone, but instead of empire, as described above, one rhetoric.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: shark

And why does the Empire not suit you?

Maybe the fact that the Death Star has not been completed yet?

[Svarog51]

Maybe the fact that the Death Star has not been completed yet?

So Chemezov is not Darth Vader.
Jury

[Nastia makarova]

we have the Darkest)))))

[Svarog51]

So I say that our Chemezov, not Darth Vader.

[prior]

Rather, the war with America will begin than the supply of Armata to the Russian army.

[Azimuth]

And what kind of dynamic protection will they deliver? Like everyone is experiencing the same.

[Kapkan]

Ours do everything that is required for Almaty. All will be. Do not push.
Greetings from Chelyabinsk.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Kapkan

All will be. Do not push.

We often hear that. But there is no result and no.

[Kapkan]

Such an opinion is usually always based on ignorance of the production technological chains and the objective impossibility to evaluate the entire scale of the project.
Empirically, the whole chain in the Armat project is roughly, from the person of the operator of the CNC machine tool turning the minimum size bolt to Chemezov, then in none of these sections of the chain is there a single person who wants or deliberately delays the process. Moreover, enough money has been allocated.
And besides, let me remind you once again, the deadlines for the delivery of the batch, its exact quantity (as well as the exact number of tanks in the same storage, in principle), is secret information. And any statements, even Chemezov’s, are indicative estimates and partly planned misinformation in one form or another of one or another addressee ...
And all this and similar whining on the Internet, I remember, always and for any reason. So it was with the AK-100th assault rifles, and with the Su-34, Su-35, Su-30 aircraft along Ratnik, Sagittarius and the same Tigers, well, etc. Just too lazy to list.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Kapkan

Such an opinion is usually always based on ignorance of technological chains.

Yes, I don’t need to know all this, I know the life span of a tank company in a full-scale war. Without production capable of making up for losses, any full-blown conflict will be lost. Indeed, not only pilots and tankers won the Second World War, but also those who created those huge quantities of equipment in the rear.
Ask yourself a question, if you are in the subject - will we pull mass production of equipment in case of war, even if in peacetime we have such tyagomotin?
P.S. But Kolesov N.A. (JSC Concern Radioelectronic Technologies of the State Corporation Russian Technologies (Rostec), has no delays in the construction of a villa in Dubai.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Ingvar 72

I know the life of a tank company in a full-scale war

Knowledge - from the construction battalion, no way?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Knowledge - from the construction battalion, no way?

Not your ... cat business!

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Not yours ...

Do not greyhound, construction battalion. I, a tank fly jacket, served, did not participate - I will not undertake with confidence to indicate this figure for you. There are too many factors, you see ...

And then some construction battalion climbs out and says, like, "but I know everything."

The natural question is - how does he know something? Or is it chatter again?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Golovan Jack

There are too many factors, you see ...

There is such a thing as the conditional life time of a unit in battle. It varies for each kind of troops. And this information is not secret Keyes, even though you are a battalion, even a tank tuxedo.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Ingvar 72

There is such a thing as the conditional life time of a unit in battle

It's about nothing "information". Thank you, you understand

[Alexga]

Man, if not a secret, what and when did you finish?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: AlexGa

what and when did you finish?

MISiS. The first half of the 80s, so to speak.

[Alexga]

I did not know what MISIS was preparing the tank crews. I was BPI in 79, with 80 I served and served. Will we discuss this creation?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: AlexGa

Will we discuss this creation?

In a personal - easy, here it’s a cool offtopic ...

[Alexga]

So there seemed to be a crowd of tankers here!

[Kapkan]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Ask yourself a question, if you are in the subject - will we pull mass production of equipment in case of war, even if in peacetime we have such tyagomotin?

Yes. Still have questions?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Kapkan

Yes. Still have questions?

Where and how? Especially with such high-tech armored vehicles? Okay. let's say that we build magic shops, we equip them, the subcontractors with increased volumes can do it with a magic wand, but where are you going to get qualified personnel? After all, children can’t be delivered to machines just like in a war. And we no longer have a vocational school system, and those technical educational institutions produce only a few units. And the quality of education is not that of the Union.
So where and who will do all this?

[Alexga]

Yes, questions arise about the car itself. I think that for another 30-50 years there is nothing to talk about. As an object of research and development, still there - here, but a combat vehicle, fire.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: AlexGa

years 30-50

I think all the same before. As an object, it already exists from the end of the 80s. Nevertheless, it is still unforgivably long.

[Alexga]

Fundamentally, 2 crew members what can be done to service the car and repair it? Elementary, cleaning a gun, repairing a track, in experience, three people are few. Or a separate maintenance platoon for each machine.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: AlexGa

2 crew members

Why 2? It seems like 3 people. Although I found it - plans to reduce it to 2. Not the fact that Alexander will cut. We will see. MOT platoon for each machine - this is possible. Now all the service is being shifted to civilian specialists. And all over the world. The technique becomes more complicated, it takes a long time to learn how to fight and serve.

[Demon_is_ada]

This machine fundamentally turns upside down the way of life familiar to tankers in all its manifestations, and generally blows off large shoulder straps. As you pointed out with your colleague, the staff of the tank unit is already forced to change, since there are two operators and an FSE in the tank, you need a technical platoon, and given that you can’t change the tower manually and the engine, it seems to me that there will be less tankers than five times techies and the number of units of military and auxiliary equipment will be the same ... Further, until the issue of the field application of this miracle was resolved by anyone, including the Jews, given the fact that they were the first to put KAZ and still have a slurred moo about the distance between the machines , distance for infantry, interaction with other radio-electronic military units and infantry, in general there is nothing This is for application, but at the plant now I am sure that the sample is shrinking and shrinking in order to "optimize" the price, all the time they strive to miss something, but this machine was created as a complex and terribly expensive and effective ... theoretically ... yeah, it remains bring everything to mind and start with the field manual and tactics of application ...

[Alexga]

Further. All surveillance and aiming systems are electronic. Weapon control systems, too. I don’t know about ammunition loading, probably a long belt for machine guns. There is no crew with guns and machine guns. Who will eliminate the delays in firing? Out of electricity in the tank, everything, the coffin. Imagine what accuracy should be in the manufacture of TOTAL. Foolproofness is zero. That’s why I’m talking about 30-50 years old, and that’s the question of how much it all costs. . And why is the development of a new model in the public domain? And the weight of the sample is 55 tons. This is where it can be used in the desert? Width 3.5 m, railway transport has a limitation of 3.4. There were questions during the transportation of the T-72B. It looks like this is the second Terminator. Create - created, but the question of why is open.

[Artemiy_2]

Ask yourself a question, if you are in the subject - will we pull mass production of equipment in case of war, even if in peacetime we have such tyagomotin?

But will NATO pull? How many tanks have the United States or Britain released in the last 10 years?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Artemiy_2

But will NATO pull?

NATO will pull, the industry of the NATO countries is not developed like ours. In the event of war, the production of equipment begins at automobile factories. It is there that there are qualified personnel. This is the practice of all countries. Just count how many factories we have left with a full production cycle? Almost one "screwdriver".
And I am afraid that the likely adversary will not be NATO, but China.

[dirk182]

Ours do everything that is required for Almaty. All will be. Do not push.
Greetings from Chelyabinsk.

And you, in fact, what do you have to do with Armat? Enlighten when it will be then and in what quantity? And then your "secret information" smells like a troll.

[Incvizitor]

AK of the 100th series in the army, something was not particularly visible, everything was as always with the old AKs, AK 12 even though it appeared was still not enough.
SU 30 about 100 pieces in service, which is just not serious, like SU 35, SU 34 is still normal, although not enough, MiG 35 6 pieces, replacements for MiG 31 are not visible at all, T 50 is still there .. .

[user1212]

Quote: Incvizitor

AK of the 100th series in the army, something was not particularly visible, everything was as always with the old AKs.

AK 100 series - export versions of AK74M for different calibers. What should they do in the Russian troops?

[Incvizitor]

Nothing but wrote that ...

AK-105 (6P47) - chambered for 5,45x39. The AK-105 surpasses the AKS-74U in combat and operational characteristics, and can successfully replace it in the Russian army and law enforcement agencies.

[user1212]

Just like the AK74M is superior to the AKS74, which is the base for the AKS74U. What's so surprising? The presence of a "tail", a plastic stock, a plastic forend, a longer barrel, the sighting has changed ... and everything is outwardly.

[user1212]

Quote: Incvizitor

It can be successfully replaced in the Russian army and law enforcement agencies.

By the way, where it is applied. At least in the MMG market, AK105 deactivator is not such a rarity

[Incvizitor]

In the power structures, it may well be that they weren’t visible in the army, here are ak 12, vss, they are visible, these can be from the special forces ...

[Petrix]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: Kapkan

All will be. Do not push.

We often hear that. But there is no result and no.

So you push! Therefore, no.

[Super]

Like what are you doing it yourself? Clown.

[Kapkan]

Yeah ... Petrosyan.

[knn54]

Why didn't project 460 "Black Eagle" go?

[Artemiy_2]

if you are about the 640th, then in fact it never existed.

[Per se.]

Quote: Artemiy_2

if you are about the 640th, then in fact it never existed.

There is a patent for the tank, the car was created. Initially, it was shown on a six-wheel chassis from the T-80, then on its own, seven-wheel chassis. There was information that the documentation for the "Black Eagle" was bought by the Chinese. In any case, it's a pity that the promising tank was lost.

[Nikolaevich I]

And ischo there is an antires ...: when will the name "Armata" go into the background and the names of varieties of armored vehicles "will appear"? After all, "Armata" is the name of the "platform" (so to speak ... "base"!) ... and different "purposes" of equipment should have their own names! By the way, somehow the name of the BMP flashed (I mean not the T-2 ...) "A little" I forgot this name, but, in my opinion, it seemed to me somehow "funny". But about the creation of an ACS or, for example, an ambulance armored personnel carrier, an ammunition carrier ... so far, not a single interjection!

[Alex 2020]

Her name was BMP (TBMP) T-15 Barberry)

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Alexey 2020

Her name was BMP (TBMP) T-15 Barberry)

Indeed, it looks like my "memories"! And then I "racked" my head ... even "lingonberry" was recalled!

[audigamma]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

And ischo there is an antires ...: when will the name "Armata" go into the background and the names of varieties of armored vehicles "will appear"? After all, "Armata" is the name of the "platform" (so to speak ... "base"!) ... and different "purposes" of equipment should have their own names! By the way, somehow the name of the BMP flashed (I mean not the T-2 ...) "A little" I forgot this name, but, in my opinion, it seemed to me somehow "funny". But about the creation of an ACS or, for example, an ambulance armored personnel carrier, an ammunition carrier ... so far, not a single interjection!

Barberry

[mortido]

soon the fairy tale affects, but not soon the thing is done, it turns out that since 2009 the second ten has been developed, but there are still no supplies

[Artemiy_2]

You do not live normally without armata in the troops.

[Dikson]

Amusing troops .. For parades, are there cars? That's enough .. How many years have the T-90 sold abroad before arming its parts? The news was about another state of emergency with SSJ. Domodedovo village ..

[sevryuk]

What about polymers, how about polymers? AND?

[vadsonen]

While the jelly in the country has not dried up, everything with polymers is in order.

[Dikson]

I hope that the polymers in "Armata" are in full order .. .. These tanks are simply not needed from the word at all .. For parades, good.

[Prahlad]

This aircraft should be banned altogether, as dangerous for passengers. I would never have flown on it.

[Thrifty]

By 3030, maybe it’s launched into the series - it doesn’t matter that they hopelessly expired by that time, most importantly, they will be launched. ...

[gulliver]

This is already annoying!

[gggddddsssccc]

and will not be delivered, crafts on the basis of the t-72 will be further riveted.

[Kapkan]

Quote: Ingvar 72

So where and who will do all this?

Where and always. Those who should and those who are needed. Immediately after all, the question is only in YOUR personal idea of ​​the "mass character" of production and the "full scale" of a hypothetical conflict.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Kapkan

Those who need and those who need.

Those. nobody. A person who is dear to me, who has worked at UVZ all his life, told me a few years ago - "There is practically no change, but there are only a few smart ones. There is no one to work." Now he is already a pensioner, but communicates with workers, and has not changed his opinion. So don't tell me who should and who needs it. For it is very easy to hide the absence of a secret object behind the tinsel of secrecy.

[Artemiy_2]

There is no one to work

Yeah. But for some reason, more and more new batches of T-90 appear in different countries. Probably no one to work at UVZ))))

[Arhip smith]

Old people are always grumbling that they are irreplaceable, but time passes and life goes on. The eternal problem of fathers and children (c)

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Arhip Smith

Old people are always grumbling that they are irreplaceable, but time passes and life goes on

It is present of course. But the problem with personnel is not only in the old man's grumbling - I also pointed out the problems of vocational education. And the fact that they are there is no arguing. Now there are problems with professionalism in absolutely all areas.

[Orkraider]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: Kapkan

Those who need and those who need.

Those. nobody. A person who is dear to me, who has worked at UVZ all his life, told me a few years ago - "There is practically no change, but there are only a few smart ones. There is no one to work." Now he is already a pensioner, but communicates with workers, and has not changed his opinion. So don't tell me who should and who needs it. For it is very easy to hide the absence of a secret object behind the tinsel of secrecy.

Sorry, I wouldn’t say that. Yes, there are a lot of people of retirement age, but there are more and more young people and middle-aged people, both at UVZ and at UTZ, for example. Recently, many young specialists began to come to CNC machines, although a shortage is also felt, but it is not as critical as you indicate.

By the way, I was recently accepted at the Burevestnik factory, there, by the way, a huge order from the defense industry was placed, they have entirely young people sitting on machines for about 30 years, and in the non-destructive testing unit, I can’t post pictures from it, I was prohibited photo / video.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Orkraider

but she is not as critical as you indicate.

Now maybe. But let's assume that a war has begun, well, let's say ... with China. Volumes of production are needed many times more. Where do the shots come from?

[Orkraider]

If the war with China, then no personnel will help, the production capacities of China and ours are not comparable. Unfortunately, this is a fact.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Orkraider

China's manufacturing facilities and ours are not comparable

Yes, but there was parity under the Union.

[Orkraider]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: Orkraider

China's manufacturing facilities and ours are not comparable

Yes, but there was parity under the Union.

Compare. The USSR and Stalin is our pride and memory of the greatest power and leader, whose only mistake (my opinion) was that he did not have time to prepare the receiver.
Parity was not in everything, the people in China are always scary)))))

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Orkraider

whose only mistake (my opinion),

This and my opinion is the same. The only, but very serious mistake.

[Petrix]

Quote: Orkraider

If the war with China, then no frames will help

Therefore, the West is quietly conducting a technological revolution. Robots make robots. In this case, only access to resources is important. But China’s resources are unlikely to catch up with Russia. Only if all resources are transferred to his storage, then the war will begin.

[Nastia makarova]

war with China ??? where to bury them?

[Luty]

Apparently now is not the time to switch to the new BTT. We need massive tanks. And we need it yesterday. Again, revolutionary patterns always have childhood diseases.

[Kapkan]

Quote: dirk182

And then your "secret information" smells like a troll.

What do you actually want to hear from me? That I am the chief designer or the guy turning the smallest bolt on the machine for Almaty? It’s ridiculous. On the topic, I gave an excess comment.
The same as you relate to it, and what smells seem to you - I do not care.

[bars1]

Well, people on the forum - always whining! Call - do not call the terms, there is always a reason for whining.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: bars1

Call - do not call the terms, there is always a reason for whining.

Yes, yesterday they called the dates for the PLO aircraft - 2030. But how many enthusiastic URA!

[Kapkan]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Those. nobody. A person who is dear to me, who has worked at UVZ all his life, told me a few years ago - "There is practically no change, but there are only a few smart ones. There is nobody to work." Now he is already a pensioner, but communicates with workers, and has not changed his opinion. So don't tell me who should and who needs it.

You asked me, I answered you. Your man’s opinion in any degree of kinship to you does not matter at all, neither to planning for personnel reserves, nor to training programs (and even more so to the training dates irrespective of whether he is at least a turner, even a tower builder) that he has been working at UVZ all his life can characterize him only in context, as a dedicated person who loves his job. Well, or in any other way, in a different way, but not as a specialist capable of assessing the scale of both disaster and success. On the whole, his opinion roughly corresponds to the situation of the 90s until the year 2000. And today, it cannot be valid and objective. For many years to your loved one.
Secretly, he will be among the first to be called up in the event of a "mass" production and a "full-scale" conflict, even being a pensioner "to transfer experience" according to the methodological programs that he will receive from the one who needs it.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Kapkan

Secretly, he will be called among the first in the case of "mass" production

No, I got a disability. Yes, and he’s already a bit too much. And on personnel reserves, I already told you in the comments above. There are no these reserves, and they will not appear out of nowhere.

[Kapkan]

Well no, then no. Light wedge on it did not converge.

And on personnel reserves, I already told you in the comments above. There are no these reserves, and they will not appear out of nowhere.

Well, and I tell you that you do not possess information that goes beyond the usual framework, which is generally normal. You just don't even understand how everything is arranged in case of a real need. Don't bother. Even the current number of tanks is more than enough for your "full-scale" ... Armata is a test of the ability of a design school in which so many cities are involved that you don't even rearrange how many. The main thing is the design school, brains, interaction, competition between design bureaus. Approbation of methodology and logistics on batches of components between cities, of course, assembly ... In general, the Armata project is not just a modern tank, it is something much more.
In fact, I have nothing to add on the topic. Rather, there is no desire. After all, everything is always the same and this dispute cannot last forever.

[Lord of the Sith]

There is no type yet, misinformation for "western partners", and then hrenax))
And Armat is riveted more than enough in conditions of secrecy))

[Alexey from Perm]

can you take a handful of your optimism from you?

[Lord of the Sith]

Is this a question for me?

Easily. If a well-thought-out Chekist is in power, then at least cheer up optimism.
Do not underestimate the fog launched by serious people for hamsters and other fabulous personalities.

And let the "all-propaltsy" howl further))

[Alexey from Perm]

5 years have passed, now dusted into the eyes of all so spattered, especially to all of us ...

[Arhip smith]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Those. nobody. A person who is dear to me, who has worked at UVZ all his life, told me a few years ago - "There is practically no change, but there are only a few smart ones. There is no one to work." Now he is already a pensioner, but communicates with workers, and has not changed his opinion. So don't tell me who should and who needs it. For it is very easy to hide the absence of a secret object behind the tinsel of secrecy.

Old people are always grumbling that they are irreplaceable, but time passes and life goes on. The eternal problem of fathers and children (c)

[Victor March 47]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: Vladimir_2U

For example, under Khrushchev, in general, models were transported across Red Square, and nothing. Or the T-35 before the war, and less than 100 of them were built, so the Armata is okay!

So you think this is normal? So that it dawns on you what stupidity you accepted as the norm, I’ll tell you that during the Union, a new tank from the drawing to the series went into the army in 4-5 years. The deep modernization, which the old tank was essentially making a new platform, took place in 2-3 years. How many Armata are already mumbled, and this, taking into account developments in the Black Eagle, T-95, etc.? It was shown to us in the year 15, and before that, how much was it built, brought up, changed, etc.? This is normal?

If the head works, then it must finally understand what they are doing is not a tank. They make fifty productions collapsed during the collapse of the country. It is already impossible to do on wallowing illiquid assets. Your friends because of the near-looking glass, put obstacles on everything, accessible and not so. Up to accusations of participating in the downing of a Ukrainian aircraft. Will do. War will not be tomorrow. We will succeed.
Although it would be high time for some to finish it.
The latest news from the Kremlin is encouraging for something .....

For example, for the normal construction of floating iron, it is also necessary to restore my plant in Siberia, buried in the structure of the Ministry of Coal Industry. At least, workshops 8, 7, and section 31. Not to mention the tool workshop
For only on the icebreaker Arctic, in 1978 2 electric boxes were piled. The attack was excellent.

[Dikson]

Excuse me, but what boxes did you sculpt for "Arctic" in 1978, if in 1977 it had already been to the North Pole?

[Victor March 47]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: tatarin_ru

But you need to understand that the technique was less technological,

But you miss that the technologies were not the same as now, as well as the production.

You need to know that productivity is growing linearly, and complexity is parabolic. So go to hell with your bullshit.

[Aleks2000]

And the news has already arrived. 3 times, as I recall.
They announced the train, then the first 14 cars arrived ....

Can Shoigu have the same garbage with other bravura reports?

[Ax Matt]

That's why this whole bunch of mongrels is Polish and Baltic and yapping: we always give them a reason for our sluggishness and stupid indiscipline. And they are only happy about it. You just need to silently rivet, and not indicate endless protocols of intent.

[eklmn]

For the curious:
“The United States revealed the real problems of the Russian“ Almaty ””
https://lenta.ru/news/2020/01/17/armata/
“Deliveries of T-14 tanks and T-15 infantry fighting vehicles (BMPs), created on the basis of the Armata platform, to the Armed Forces of Russia are delayed not only because of the need to prepare production facilities, writes The Diplomat, an American publication.
“Military analysts point out problems with the power plant, transmission and sighting system T-14, along with others, as the cause of the next delays,” the publication reveals the real problems of the Russian “Almaty”.

[5-9]

It seems that not a single significant example of military equipment in the 21st century was born in any country without breaking deadlines, increasing prices, childhood illnesses and reducing the previously conceived series. Here or a lot has become in the world of the Internet, or have developed to such a technological level and complexity of products that nothing can be obtained through flour or both.
Why pedal Armata - it's not clear, the foe hasn't had anything like that for 10 years, but rather .... dtsat, he won't (and if it were ... then ... what ??? "there" after learning about Armata is rather sluggish began to move), mass-produced / upgraded tanks correspond to the latest best world models +/-. The T-90M can exist for decades together with the Leo 2AXX ... M1A2SEPXX ... A3. No war is expected tomorrow, but there will be one - everything will be decided in a couple of weeks and don't care what it takes to either surrender or patrol Berlin ..

[Alexga]

But after all, it will be necessary to put something on pedestals in European cities in honor of their release or capture!