Rostec: Delivery of armored vehicles on the Armata platform to the troops has not yet begun

Rostec: Delivery of armored vehicles on the Armata platform to the troops has not yet begun

The supply of armored vehicles on the Armata platform to the Russian Armed Forces has not yet begun. This was stated by the head of the state corporation Rostec Sergey Chemezov.


Communicating with reporters after the message of the President of the Russian Federation to the Federal Assembly, Chemezov answered the question about the beginning of the arrival of armored vehicles on the Armata platform in the Russian army. According to the head of Rostec, the latest technology has not yet entered the troops.

Last November, Chemezov at the Dubai Airshow 2019 air show in Dubai announced that the first pilot industrial batch tanks The T-14 Armata will be delivered to the Russian armed forces in late 2019 or early 2020. At the same time, he did not specify the amount of equipment proposed for delivery. In total, the Uralvagonzavod, which is part of Rostec, must deliver 2021 tanks and infantry fighting vehicles on the Armata platform by 132.

According to available information, announced back in early 2019, the first batch of 12 T-14 Armata tanks will go into service with the Russian army in late 2019 - early 2020. In addition to the serial T-14, the armies will receive 4 armored repair and recovery vehicles (BREM) T-16 based on the "Armata". At the same time, it was claimed that the tanks would go into the series in a modified form after testing: they installed new systems and replaced some components and assemblies.

The first serial “Armata” will take part in the Victory Parade on Red Square, after which 12 tanks and four ARVs will supposedly be sent to different military units located in different climatic zones, for testing in conditions close to combat.

T-14 "Armata" - the newest main battle tank, the main innovation of which is an uninhabited tower. The gun is controlled remotely from an armored capsule located in the tank body. Equipped with 125-mm gun 2A82, diesel engine with a capacity of 1,5 thousand hp and active protection complex "Afganit".
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  1. Thrall 16 January 2020 16: 06 New
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    The supply of armored vehicles on the Armata platform to the Russian Armed Forces has not yet begun. This was stated by the head of the state corporation Rostec Sergey Chemezov.


    smile
    1. rich 16 January 2020 16: 32 New
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      The delivery of armored vehicles on the Armata platform to the troops has not yet begun

      Stay connected, keep track of the situation soldier
      1. Machito 16 January 2020 17: 09 New
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        Then it will begin. May be. If you're lucky
        1. figwam 16 January 2020 17: 45 New
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          Maybe they’ll roll out by Victory Day.
          1. Alf
            Alf 16 January 2020 20: 28 New
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            Quote: figvam
            Maybe they’ll roll out by Victory Day.

            To which ? 2020 or 2024?
            1. figwam 16 January 2020 20: 33 New
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              Quote: Alf
              To which ? 2020 or 2024?

              Let's hope that by 2020)
              1. Alf
                Alf 16 January 2020 20: 36 New
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                Quote: figvam
                Quote: Alf
                To which ? 2020 or 2024?

                Let's hope that by 2020)

                Hope says Yes, experience suggests the exact opposite ...
                1. figwam 16 January 2020 20: 45 New
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                  Well, as they say, the first batch has already been made, apparently there is an acceptance.
    2. Oden280 17 January 2020 11: 30 New
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      Who drowned for Borisov there? The braking of new weapons, with the exception of missile weapons, is entirely his merit.
  2. K-50 16 January 2020 16: 13 New
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    The first serial “Armata” will take part in the Victory Parade on Red Square, after which 12 tanks and four ARVs will supposedly be sent to different military units located in different climatic zones for testing in conditions close to combat ones.

    Well.
    For the glory of the ancestors, for fear of the enemy, good luck !!! soldier
  3. mark1 16 January 2020 16: 14 New
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    The supply of armored vehicles on the Armata platform to the Russian Armed Forces has not yet begun.

    It happens ... with what regularly ...
  4. NEXUS 16 January 2020 16: 20 New
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    But for window dressing at the Parade, Armata will be ... Through the looking glass.
    1. Artemiy_2 16 January 2020 16: 34 New
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      how does one interfere with the other?
    2. Vladimir_2U 16 January 2020 17: 08 New
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      For example, under Khrushchev, in general, models were transported along Red Square, and nothing. Or T-35s before the war, and fewer than 100 of them were built, so Armata is fine!
      1. NEXUS 16 January 2020 17: 15 New
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        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        For example, under Khrushchev, in general, models were transported along Red Square, and nothing. Or T-35s before the war, and fewer than 100 of them were built, so Armata is fine!

        So you think this is normal? So that it dawns on you what stupidity you accepted as the norm, I’ll tell you that during the Union, a new tank from the drawing to the series went into the army in 4-5 years. The deep modernization, which the old tank was essentially making a new platform, took place in 2-3 years. How many Armata are already mumbled, and this, taking into account developments in the Black Eagle, T-95, etc.? It was shown to us in the year 15, and before that, how much was it built, brought up, changed, etc.? This is normal?
        1. Vladimir_2U 16 January 2020 17: 22 New
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          Quote: NEXUS
          So that it dawns on you what stupidity you accepted as the norm, I’ll tell you that during the Union, a new tank from the drawing to the series went into the army in 4-5 years

          Really? Definitely not lying? And then the T-80 was developed for 8 years! From 1968 to 1976. And not from scratch, but referring to the modernization of the t-64. Where are your 2-3 years?
          1. NEXUS 16 January 2020 17: 32 New
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            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            From 1968 to 1976. And not from scratch, but referring to the modernization of the t-64. Where are your 2-3 years?

            Dear, the T-64A, from which the T-80 fought, just left for 4-5 years. What you scratched about 8 years is not entirely true, since ..
            Object 219 joint venture 2 is a pre-production model with a new chassis for the full realization of the capabilities of a gas turbine engine. The tank also has tracks with a rubberized treadmill and rubber mounts. It was produced in a small series of 127 tanks in the period from 1971 to 1976

            So it is necessary to count not until the year 76, but until the 71st ... after a new dvigun was installed on it, they improved a little, so to speak, but the main work was completed in 71, like a pre-production car.
            1. Vladimir_2U 16 January 2020 17: 42 New
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              Quote: NEXUS
              So it is necessary to count not until the year 76, but until the 71st ... after a new dvigun was installed on it, they improved a little, so to speak, but the main work was completed in 71, like a pre-production car.
              How easy you have forgiven 5 years, well, so you can forgive Armata for a couple of years, because the economy is not so much now, compared to 1968 or 1976.
              1. NEXUS 16 January 2020 17: 50 New
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                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                How easy you have forgiven 5 years, well, so you can forgive Armata for a couple of years, because the economy is not so much now, compared to 1968 or 1976.

                Nobody forgave anything ... I repeat, it is necessary to count not from the age of 76, but from the 71st. The main work on this topic was just completed in 71, and not in 76. Therefore, in my words there is no lie. And on the account of Armata ... if you count from when, in fact, it began to be developed, in fact, according to the finished project, since both the Black Eagle and the T-95 were created in iron, it will not work there for 8 years.
                1. tatarin_ru 16 January 2020 20: 46 New
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                  not from the age of 76, but from 71-

                  But you need to understand that the technique was also less technologically advanced, so it was much easier to launch the series. Not to mention the fact that the economy was stronger, military budgets were larger, control over execution was higher, etc.
                  So the delay, provided that everything, starting with drawings, equipment for the production of parts, development of technologies, training, was created from scratch, is completely justified. hi
                  1. NEXUS 16 January 2020 21: 02 New
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                    Quote: tatarin_ru
                    But you need to understand that the technique was less technological,

                    But you miss that the technologies were not the same as now, as well as the production.
                    1. tatarin_ru 16 January 2020 22: 02 New
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                      the technologies were not like they are now, nor was the production.

                      Yes, but here which side to look at.
                      Previously, there was more “pile-ups” in technology, but now the operator needs to be trained on the machine for 5 years. Technologies have become more complicated and it’s also more difficult to manage them and it takes longer to prepare personnel.
                      Then, let’s say, electronics on technology used soap at least, more mechanics (units, mechanisms), and the one that was needed was all produced by Soviet industry, and even the absence of it could not stop mass production, it could be finalized during operation.
                      And now - if you don’t buy all the electronics from the Chinese (from the point of view of security, part of the defense should be in-house), imagine what kind of infrastructure you need to deploy from scratch. And the lack of a single board (unit), a node that we cannot buy / produce today can make the machine useless, respectively, stop the series.
        2. Andrzej k 16 January 2020 23: 26 New
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          I have an irresistible impression that the problem is not in the tank itself, but in a completely new engine.
          In the USSR, most of the tanks you are writing about had subsequent incarnations of the immortal W-2 to and there were no serious problems or delays,

          already the first new 5TDF was the beginning of many years of torment in order to master it and put it in order. Despite the thousands of pieces and colossal funds.

          Now with 12H360 they are tired for two decades, but the means and test samples are much smaller, and pulls much longer
          1. maidan.izrailovich 17 January 2020 12: 51 New
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            I have an irresistible impression that the problem is not in the tank itself, but in a completely new engine.

            Yes, there may actually be more problems. We won’t be told the details anyway.
            The tank is revolutionary in itself. A lot of innovations. Hence the difficulties in launching the series. Well, plus all this after the destruction of the Soviet economy.
        3. user1212 17 January 2020 03: 52 New
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          Quote: NEXUS
          So you think this is normal?

          Compare the development time for the P51 mustang and F35? wassat
  5. Altona 16 January 2020 16: 20 New
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    The TV has already become full of neo-imperial rhetoric, the emperor is broadcasting new generations of imperial equipment from the rostrum, and imperial equipment has not yet been received by the troops. request
    1. Berber 16 January 2020 16: 39 New
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      Long live the Russian Empire! Long live the Emperor! Even better - long live the USSR!
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    2. shark 16 January 2020 16: 59 New
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      And why does the Empire not suit you?
      1. vadsonen 16 January 2020 18: 01 New
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        It suits everyone, but instead of empire, as described above, one rhetoric.
      2. Starover_Z 16 January 2020 20: 34 New
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        Quote: shark
        And why does the Empire not suit you?

        Maybe the fact that the Death Star has not been completed?
        1. Svarog51 17 January 2020 02: 57 New
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          Maybe the fact that the Death Star has not been completed?

          So Chemezov is not Darth Vader. wink
          Jury hi
          1. Nastia makarova 17 January 2020 07: 32 New
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            we have the Darkest)))))
            1. Svarog51 17 January 2020 08: 46 New
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              So I say that our Chemezov, not Darth Vader. repeat
  6. prior 16 January 2020 16: 24 New
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    Rather, the war with America will begin than the supply of Armata to the Russian army.
  7. Azimuth 16 January 2020 16: 34 New
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    And what kind of dynamic protection will they deliver? Like everyone is experiencing the same.
  8. Kapkan 16 January 2020 16: 37 New
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    Ours do everything that is required for Almaty. All will be. Do not push.
    Greetings from Chelyabinsk.
    1. Ingvar 72 16 January 2020 17: 04 New
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      Quote: Kapkan
      All will be. Do not push.

      We often hear that. But there is no result and no. request
      1. Kapkan 16 January 2020 17: 28 New
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        Such an opinion is usually always based on ignorance of the production technological chains and the objective impossibility to evaluate the entire scale of the project.
        Empirically, the whole chain in the Armat project is roughly, from the person of the operator of the CNC machine tool turning the minimum size bolt to Chemezov, then in none of these sections of the chain is there a single person who wants or deliberately delays the process. Moreover, enough money has been allocated.
        And besides, let me remind you once again, the deadlines for the delivery of the batch, its exact quantity (as well as the exact number of tanks in the same storage, in principle), is secret information. And any statements, even Chemezov’s, are indicative estimates and partly planned misinformation in one form or another of one or another addressee ...
        And all this and similar whining on the Internet, I remember, always and for any reason. So it was with the AK-100th assault rifles, and with the Su-34, Su-35, Su-30 aircraft along Ratnik, Sagittarius and the same Tigers, well, etc. Just too lazy to list.
        1. Ingvar 72 16 January 2020 17: 37 New
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          Quote: Kapkan
          Such an opinion is usually always based on ignorance of technological chains.

          Yes, I don’t need to know all this, I know the life span of a tank company in a full-scale war. Without production capable of making up for losses, any full-blown conflict will be lost. Indeed, not only pilots and tankers won the Second World War, but also those who created those huge quantities of equipment in the rear.
          Ask yourself a question, if you are in the subject - will we pull mass production of equipment in case of war, even if in peacetime we have such tyagomotin? hi
          P.S. But Kolesov N.A. (JSC Concern Radioelectronic Technologies of the State Corporation Russian Technologies (Rostec), has no delays in the construction of a villa in Dubai.
          1. Golovan Jack 16 January 2020 17: 42 New
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            Quote: Ingvar 72
            I know the life of a tank company in a full-scale war

            Knowledge - from the construction battalion, no way? wink
            1. Ingvar 72 16 January 2020 17: 43 New
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              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Knowledge - from the construction battalion, no way?

              Not your ... cat business! laughing
              1. Golovan Jack 16 January 2020 18: 05 New
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                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Not yours ...

                Do not greyhound, construction battalion. I, a tank fly jacket, served, did not participate - I will not undertake with confidence to indicate this figure for you. There are too many factors, you see ...

                And then a construction battalion climbs out and says, like, "but I know everything."

                The natural question is - how does he know something? Or is it chatter again? wink
                1. Ingvar 72 16 January 2020 18: 13 New
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                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  There are too many factors, you see ...

                  There is such a thing as the conditional life time of a unit in battle. It varies for each kind of troops. And this information is not secret Keyes, even though you are a battalion, even a tank tuxedo. wink
                  1. Golovan Jack 16 January 2020 19: 43 New
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                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    There is such a thing as the conditional life time of a unit in battle

                    This is nothing "information." Thank you, you understand yes
                2. Alexga 16 January 2020 19: 56 New
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                  Man, if not a secret, what and when did you finish?
                  1. Golovan Jack 16 January 2020 19: 58 New
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                    Quote: AlexGa
                    what and when did you finish?

                    MISiS. The first half of the 80s, so to speak.
                    1. Alexga 16 January 2020 20: 01 New
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                      I did not know what MISIS was preparing the tank crews. I was BPI in 79, with 80 I served and served. Will we discuss this creation?
                      1. Golovan Jack 16 January 2020 20: 03 New
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                        Quote: AlexGa
                        Will we discuss this creation?

                        In a personal - easy, here it’s a cool offtopic ...
                      2. Alexga 16 January 2020 20: 04 New
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                        So there seemed to be a crowd of tankers here!
        2. Kapkan 16 January 2020 17: 43 New
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          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Ask yourself a question, if you are in the subject - will we pull mass production of equipment in case of war, even if in peacetime we have such tyagomotin?

          Yes. Still have questions?
          1. Ingvar 72 16 January 2020 17: 51 New
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            Quote: Kapkan
            Yes. Still have questions?

            Where and how? Especially with such high-tech armored vehicles? Okay. let's say that we build magic shops, we equip them, the subcontractors with increased volumes can do it with a magic wand, but where are you going to get qualified personnel? After all, children can’t be delivered to machines just like in a war. And we no longer have a vocational school system, and those technical educational institutions produce only a few units. And the quality of education is not that of the Union.
            So where and who will do all this?
            1. Alexga 16 January 2020 22: 07 New
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              Yes, questions arise about the car itself. I think that for another 30-50 years there is nothing to talk about. As an object of research and development, still there - here, but a combat vehicle, fire.
              1. Ingvar 72 16 January 2020 22: 09 New
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                Quote: AlexGa
                years 30-50

                I think all the same before. As an object, it already exists from the end of the 80s. Nevertheless, it is still unforgivably long.
                1. Alexga 16 January 2020 22: 20 New
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                  Fundamentally, 2 crew members what can be done to service the car and repair it? Elementary, cleaning a gun, repairing a track, in experience, three people are few. Or a separate maintenance platoon for each machine.
                  1. Ingvar 72 16 January 2020 22: 26 New
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                    Quote: AlexGa
                    2 crew members

                    Why 2? belay It seems like 3 people. request Although I found it - plans to reduce it to 2. Not the fact that Alexander will cut. We will see. MOT platoon for each machine - this is possible. Now all the service is being shifted to civilian specialists. And all over the world. The technique becomes more complicated, it takes a long time to learn how to fight and serve.
                    1. Demon_is_ada 17 January 2020 08: 00 New
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                      This machine fundamentally turns upside down the way of life familiar to tankers in all its manifestations, and generally blows off large shoulder straps. belay As you pointed out with your colleague, the staff of the tank unit is already forced to change, since there are two operators and an FSE in the tank, you need a technical platoon, and given that you can’t change the tower manually and the engine, it seems to me that there will be less tankers than five times techies laughing and the number of units of military and auxiliary equipment will be the same ... Further, until the issue of the field application of this miracle was resolved by anyone, including the Jews, given the fact that they were the first to put KAZ and still have a slurred moo about the distance between the machines , distance for infantry, interaction with other radio-electronic military units and infantry, in general there is nothing recourse It’s for application, but now the plant is shrinking and trying to “optimize” the price, they always try to notify something, and this machine was created as a complex and terribly expensive and efficient ... theoretically ... yeah, it remains to bring everything to mind and start with a field charter and tactics of application ...
                    2. Alexga 17 January 2020 11: 29 New
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                      Further. All surveillance and aiming systems are electronic. Weapon control systems, too. I don’t know about ammunition loading, probably a long belt for machine guns. There is no crew with guns and machine guns. Who will eliminate the delays in firing? Out of electricity in the tank, everything, the coffin. Imagine what accuracy should be in the manufacture of TOTAL. Foolproofness is zero. That’s why I’m talking about 30-50 years old, and that’s the question of how much it all costs. . And why is the development of a new model in the public domain? And the weight of the sample is 55 tons. This is where it can be used in the desert? Width 3.5 m, railway transport has a limitation of 3.4. There were questions during the transportation of the T-72B. It looks like this is the second Terminator. Create - created, but the question of why is open.
        3. Artemiy_2 16 January 2020 18: 59 New
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          Ask yourself a question, if you are in the subject - will we pull mass production of equipment in case of war, even if in peacetime we have such tyagomotin?

          But will NATO pull? How many tanks have the United States or Britain released in the last 10 years?
          1. Ingvar 72 16 January 2020 19: 03 New
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            Quote: Artemiy_2
            But will NATO pull?

            NATO will pull, the industry of NATO countries is not developed as an example of ours. In the event of war, the production of machinery begins at automobile factories. It is there that there are qualified personnel. This is the practice of all countries. Just count how many factories we have left with a full production cycle? Almost one screwdriver.
            And I am afraid that the likely adversary will not be NATO, but China.
      2. dirk182 16 January 2020 17: 44 New
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        Ours do everything that is required for Almaty. All will be. Do not push.
        Greetings from Chelyabinsk.
        And you, in fact, what do you have to do with Armata? Enlighten when it will be then and in what quantity? And then your "secret information" smacks of trollinka.
      3. Incvizitor 16 January 2020 18: 56 New
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        AK of the 100th series in the army, something was not particularly visible, everything was as always with the old AKs, AK 12 even though it appeared was still not enough.
        SU 30 about 100 pieces in service, which is just not serious, like SU 35, SU 34 is still normal, although not enough, MiG 35 6 pieces, replacements for MiG 31 are not visible at all, T 50 is still there .. .
        1. user1212 17 January 2020 04: 07 New
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          Quote: Incvizitor
          AK of the 100th series in the army, something was not particularly visible, everything was as always with the old AKs.

          AK 100 series - export versions of AK74M for different calibers. What should they do in the Russian troops?
          1. Incvizitor 17 January 2020 13: 46 New
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            Nothing but wrote that ...
            AK-105 (6P47) - chambered for 5,45x39. The AK-105 surpasses the AKS-74U in combat and operational characteristics, and can successfully replace it in the Russian army and law enforcement agencies.
            1. user1212 17 January 2020 13: 53 New
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              Just like the AK74M is superior to the AKS74, which is the base for the AKS74U. What's so surprising? The presence of a "tail", a plastic butt, a plastic forend, a longer barrel, sighting changed ... and everything is outwardly.
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              It can be successfully replaced in the Russian army and law enforcement agencies.

              By the way, where it is applied. At least in the MMG market, AK105 deactivator is not such a rarity
              1. Incvizitor 19 January 2020 17: 22 New
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                In the power structures, it may well be that they weren’t visible in the army, here are ak 12, vss, they are visible, these can be from the special forces ...
    2. Petrix 17 January 2020 18: 55 New
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      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Quote: Kapkan
      All will be. Do not push.

      We often hear that. But there is no result and no. request

      So you push! Therefore, no.
  9. Super 18 January 2020 10: 49 New
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    Like what are you doing it yourself? Clown.
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      Yeah ... Petrosyan.
  • knn54 16 January 2020 16: 37 New
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    And why didn’t the project 460 Black Eagle go?
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      if you are about the 640th, then in fact it never existed.
      1. Per se. 17 January 2020 08: 44 New
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        Quote: Artemiy_2
        if you are about the 640th, then in fact it never existed.

        There is a patent for the tank, the car was created. Initially shown on a six-pack chassis from the T-80, then on their own, seven-pack. There was information that the documentation for the "Black Eagle" was bought by the Chinese. In any case, it is a pity that the promising tank was stolen.
  • Nikolaevich I 16 January 2020 16: 39 New
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    And of course there is an antires ...: when will the name "Armata" go to the 2nd plan and the names of the varieties of armored vehicles will "appear"? After all, "Armata" is the name of the "platform" (so to speak ... "base"!) ... and different "destinations" of equipment must have their own names! By the way, the name of the BMP somehow flashed (I mean not the T-15 ...) “Little” forgot this name, but, in my opinion, it seemed to me somehow “ridiculous”. But about the creation of self-propelled guns, or, for example, a sanitary armored personnel carrier, an ammunition carrier ... so far, not a single interjection!
    1. Alex 2020 16 January 2020 16: 57 New
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      Her name was BMP (TBMP) T-15 Barberry) hi
      1. Nikolaevich I 16 January 2020 17: 43 New
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        Quote: Alex 2020
        Her name was BMP (TBMP) T-15 Barberry)

        Indeed, it looks like my "memories"! And then I "puzzled" my head ... even the "lingonberry" was remembered! repeat
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    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    And of course there is an antires ...: when will the name "Armata" go to the 2nd plan and the names of the varieties of armored vehicles will "appear"? After all, "Armata" is the name of the "platform" (so to speak ... "base"!) ... and different "destinations" of equipment must have their own names! By the way, the name of the BMP somehow flashed (I mean not the T-15 ...) “Little” forgot this name, but, in my opinion, it seemed to me somehow “ridiculous”. But about the creation of self-propelled guns, or, for example, a sanitary armored personnel carrier, an ammunition carrier ... so far, not a single interjection!

    Barberry
  • mortido 16 January 2020 16: 54 New
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    soon the fairy tale affects, but not soon the thing is done, it turns out that since 2009 the second ten has been developed, but there are still no supplies sad
    1. Artemiy_2 16 January 2020 17: 23 New
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      You do not live normally without armata in the troops.
  • Dikson 16 January 2020 17: 04 New
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    Amusing troops .. For parades, are there cars? That's enough .. How many years have the T-90 sold abroad before arming its parts? The news was about another state of emergency with SSJ. Domodedovo village ..
    1. sevryuk 16 January 2020 17: 31 New
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      What about polymers, how about polymers? AND?
      1. vadsonen 16 January 2020 18: 06 New
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        While the jelly in the country has not dried up, everything with polymers is in order.
      2. Dikson 16 January 2020 18: 43 New
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        I hope that the polymers in "Armata" are completely in order .. .. These tanks simply do not need the word at all .. For the parades, good.
    2. Prahlad 16 January 2020 20: 24 New
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      This aircraft should be banned altogether, as dangerous for passengers. I would never have flown on it.
  • Thrifty 16 January 2020 17: 28 New
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    By 3030, maybe it’s launched into the series - it doesn’t matter that they hopelessly expired by that time, most importantly, they will be launched. ...
  • gulliver 16 January 2020 17: 33 New
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    This is already annoying!
  • gggdddsssccc 16 January 2020 17: 47 New
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    and will not be delivered, crafts on the basis of the t-72 will be further riveted.
  • Kapkan 16 January 2020 17: 57 New
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    Quote: Ingvar 72
    So where and who will do all this?

    Where always. Those who need and those who need. Here, after all, the only question is YOUR own idea of ​​the "mass character" of production and the "full scale" hypothetical conflict.
    1. Ingvar 72 16 January 2020 18: 35 New
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      Quote: Kapkan
      Those who need and those who need.

      Those. none. My native man, who worked all his life at UVZ, several years ago told me - "There is practically no change, but there are no intelligent units. There is no one to work." Now he is already a pensioner, but communicates with workers, and he has not changed his mind. So don’t tell me about who should and who needs. For behind the tinsel of secrecy it is very easy to hide the absence of a secret object.
      1. Artemiy_2 16 January 2020 19: 02 New
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        There is no one to work

        Yeah. But for some reason, more and more new batches of T-90 appear in different countries. Probably no one to work at UVZ))))
      2. Arhip smith 16 January 2020 21: 31 New
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        Old people are always grumbling that they are irreplaceable, but time passes and life goes on. The eternal problem of fathers and children (c)
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        1. Ingvar 72 16 January 2020 21: 45 New
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          Quote: Arhip Smith
          Old people are always grumbling that they are irreplaceable, but time passes and life goes on

          It is present of course. But the problem with personnel is not only in the old man's grumbling - I also pointed out the problems of vocational education. And the fact that they are there is no arguing. Now there are problems with professionalism in absolutely all areas. hi
      4. Orkraider 16 January 2020 21: 33 New
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        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Quote: Kapkan
        Those who need and those who need.

        Those. none. My native man, who worked all his life at UVZ, several years ago told me - "There is practically no change, but there are no intelligent units. There is no one to work." Now he is already a pensioner, but communicates with workers, and he has not changed his mind. So don’t tell me about who should and who needs. For behind the tinsel of secrecy it is very easy to hide the absence of a secret object.


        hi
        Sorry, I wouldn’t say that. Yes, there are a lot of people of retirement age, but there are more and more young people and middle-aged people, both at UVZ and at UTZ, for example. Recently, many young specialists began to come to CNC machines, although a shortage is also felt, but it is not as critical as you indicate.







        By the way, I was recently accepted at the Burevestnik factory, there, by the way, a huge order from the defense industry was placed, they have entirely young people sitting on machines for about 30 years, and in the non-destructive testing unit, I can’t post pictures from it, I was prohibited photo / video.
        1. Ingvar 72 16 January 2020 21: 49 New
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          but she is not as critical as you indicate.

          Now maybe. But let's assume that a war has begun, well, let's say ... with China. Volumes of production are needed many times more. Where do the shots come from?
          1. Orkraider 16 January 2020 22: 58 New
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            If the war with China, then no personnel will help, the production capacities of China and ours are not comparable. Unfortunately, this is a fact.
            1. Ingvar 72 16 January 2020 23: 38 New
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              China's manufacturing facilities and ours are not comparable

              Yes, but there was parity under the Union.
              1. Orkraider 17 January 2020 00: 58 New
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                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Quote: Orkraider
                China's manufacturing facilities and ours are not comparable

                Yes, but there was parity under the Union.

                Compare. The USSR and Stalin is our pride and memory of the greatest power and leader, whose only mistake (my opinion) was that he did not have time to prepare the receiver.
                Parity was not in everything, the people in China are always scary)))))
                1. Ingvar 72 17 January 2020 07: 51 New
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                  whose only mistake (my opinion),

                  This and my opinion is the same. The only, but very serious mistake. hi
            2. Petrix 17 January 2020 19: 11 New
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              Quote: Orkraider
              If the war with China, then no frames will help

              Therefore, the West is quietly conducting a technological revolution. Robots make robots. In this case, only access to resources is important. But China’s resources are unlikely to catch up with Russia. Only if all resources are transferred to his storage, then the war will begin.
          2. Nastia makarova 17 January 2020 07: 35 New
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            war with China ??? where to bury them?
  • Luty 16 January 2020 18: 00 New
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    Apparently now is not the time to switch to the new BTT. We need massive tanks. And we need it yesterday. Again, revolutionary patterns always have childhood diseases.
  • Kapkan 16 January 2020 18: 03 New
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    And then your "secret information" smacks of trollinka.

    What do you actually want to hear from me? That I am the chief designer or the guy turning the smallest bolt on the machine for Almaty? It’s ridiculous. On the topic, I gave an excess comment.
    The same as you relate to it, and what smells seem to you - I do not care.
  • bars1 16 January 2020 18: 31 New
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    Well, people on the forum - always whining! Call - do not call the terms, there is always a reason for whining.
    1. Ingvar 72 16 January 2020 19: 10 New
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      Quote: bars1
      Call - do not call the terms, there is always a reason for whining.

      Yes, yesterday they called the dates for the PLO aircraft - 2030. But how many enthusiastic URA! laughing
  • Kapkan 16 January 2020 18: 56 New
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    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Those. none. My native man, who worked all his life at UVZ, several years ago told me - "There is practically no change, but there are no intelligent units. There is no one to work." Now he is already a pensioner, but communicates with workers, and he has not changed his mind. So don’t tell me about who should and who needs.

    You asked me, I answered you. Your man’s opinion in any degree of kinship to you does not matter at all, neither to planning for personnel reserves, nor to training programs (and even more so to the training dates irrespective of whether he is at least a turner, even a tower builder) that he has been working at UVZ all his life can characterize him only in context, as a dedicated person who loves his job. Well, or in any other way, in a different way, but not as a specialist capable of assessing the scale of both disaster and success. On the whole, his opinion roughly corresponds to the situation of the 90s until the year 2000. And today, it cannot be valid and objective. For many years to your loved one.
    In secret, he will be called on to be among the first in the case of “mass” production and “full-scale” conflict, even as a pensioner “for transferring experience” under the methodological programs that he will receive from someone who needs it. hi
    1. Ingvar 72 16 January 2020 19: 08 New
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      In secret, he will be called up among the first in the case of "mass production"

      No, I got a disability. Yes, and he’s already a bit too much. And on personnel reserves, I already told you in the comments above. There are no these reserves, and they will not appear out of nowhere.
      1. Kapkan 16 January 2020 19: 32 New
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        Well no, then no. Light wedge on it did not converge.
        And on personnel reserves, I already told you in the comments above. There are no these reserves, and they will not appear out of nowhere.

        Well, I’m telling you that you don’t own information that goes beyond the usual framework, which is generally normal. You just don’t even understand how everything is arranged in case of a real need. Do not bother. Even the current number of tanks is more than enough for your "full-blown" ... Armata, this is a test of the ability of a design school in which so many cities are involved that you do not even rearrange how many. The main thing is a design school, brains, interaction, competition between design bureaus. Testing on a batch of products methodology and logistics for components between cities, of course assembly ... In general, the Armata project is not just a modern tank, it is something much more.
        In fact, I have nothing to add on the topic. Rather, there is no desire. After all, everything is always the same and this dispute cannot last forever.
  • Lord of the Sith 16 January 2020 20: 22 New
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    Type yet, misinformation for the "Western partners", and then hrenaks))
    And Armat is riveted more than enough in conditions of secrecy))
    1. Alexey from Perm 16 January 2020 20: 45 New
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      can you take a handful of your optimism from you?
      1. Lord of the Sith 16 January 2020 21: 29 New
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        Is this a question for me?

        Easily. If a well-thought-out Chekist is in power, then at least cheer up optimism.
        Do not underestimate the fog launched by serious people for hamsters and other fabulous personalities.

        And let the "all-crawling" howl further))
  • Alexey from Perm 16 January 2020 20: 44 New
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    5 years have passed, now dusted into the eyes of all so spattered, especially to all of us ...
  • Arhip smith 16 January 2020 21: 34 New
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    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Those. none. My native man, who worked all his life at UVZ, several years ago told me - "There is practically no change, but there are no intelligent units. There is no one to work." Now he is already a pensioner, but communicates with workers, and he has not changed his mind. So don’t tell me about who should and who needs. For behind the tinsel of secrecy it is very easy to hide the absence of a secret object.

    Old people are always grumbling that they are irreplaceable, but time passes and life goes on. The eternal problem of fathers and children (c)
  • Victor March 47 16 January 2020 21: 42 New
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    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    For example, under Khrushchev, in general, models were transported along Red Square, and nothing. Or T-35s before the war, and fewer than 100 of them were built, so Armata is fine!

    So you think this is normal? So that it dawns on you what stupidity you accepted as the norm, I’ll tell you that during the Union, a new tank from the drawing to the series went into the army in 4-5 years. The deep modernization, which the old tank was essentially making a new platform, took place in 2-3 years. How many Armata are already mumbled, and this, taking into account developments in the Black Eagle, T-95, etc.? It was shown to us in the year 15, and before that, how much was it built, brought up, changed, etc.? This is normal?

    If the head works, then it must finally understand what they are doing is not a tank. They make fifty productions collapsed during the collapse of the country. It is already impossible to do on wallowing illiquid assets. Your friends because of the near-looking glass, put obstacles on everything, accessible and not so. Up to accusations of participating in the downing of a Ukrainian aircraft. Will do. War will not be tomorrow. We will succeed.
    Although it would be high time for some to finish it.
    The latest news from the Kremlin is encouraging for something .....

    For example, for the normal construction of floating iron, it is also necessary to restore my plant in Siberia, buried in the structure of the Ministry of Coal Industry. At least, workshops 8, 7, and section 31. Not to mention the tool workshop
    For only on the icebreaker Arctic, in 1978 2 electric boxes were piled. The attack was excellent.
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      Excuse me, what kind of boxes did you sculpt for the Arctic in 1978, if in 1977 it already managed to visit the North Pole?
  • Victor March 47 16 January 2020 22: 01 New
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    But you need to understand that the technique was less technological,

    But you miss that the technologies were not the same as now, as well as the production.

    You need to know that productivity is growing linearly, and complexity is parabolic. So go to hell with your bullshit.
  • Aleks2000 16 January 2020 23: 49 New
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    And the news has already arrived. 3 times, as I recall.
    They announced the train, then the first 14 cars arrived ....

    Can Shoigu have the same garbage with other bravura reports?
  • Ax Matt 17 January 2020 02: 16 New
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    That's why this whole bunch of mongrels is Polish and Baltic and yapping: we always give them a reason for our sluggishness and stupid indiscipline. And they are only happy about it. You just need to silently rivet, and not indicate endless protocols of intent.
  • eklmn 17 January 2020 03: 06 New
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    For the curious:
    “The United States revealed the real problems of the Russian“ Almaty ””
    https://lenta.ru/news/2020/01/17/armata/
    “Deliveries of T-14 tanks and T-15 infantry fighting vehicles (BMPs), created on the basis of the Armata platform, to the Armed Forces of Russia are delayed not only because of the need to prepare production facilities, writes The Diplomat, an American publication.
    “Military analysts point out problems with the power plant, transmission and sighting system T-14, along with others, as the cause of the next delays,” the publication reveals the real problems of the Russian “Almaty”.
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    It seems that not a single significant example of military equipment in the 21st century was born in any country without breaking deadlines, increasing prices, childhood illnesses and reducing the previously conceived series. Here or a lot has become in the world of the Internet, or have developed to such a technological level and complexity of products that nothing can be obtained through flour or both.
    Why pedal Armata - it’s not clear, the adversary hasn’t got anything like that for 10 years, but rather .... there’ll be twenty (and if there was ... then .. what ??? "there" after learning about Armata it’s rather sluggish started to move), the mass-produced / upgraded tanks correspond to the latest world best models +/-. The T-90M can exist for decades along with the Leo 2AXX ... M1A2SEPXX ... A3. No war is foreseen tomorrow, but it will be - everything will be decided in a couple of weeks and do not care what either give up or patrol Berlin ..
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      But after all, it will be necessary to put something on pedestals in European cities in honor of their release or capture! laughing