Borisov: “There will be no adjustments to the release schedule for Su-57”

Fifth-generation Su-57 fighters will be delivered to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation according to a previously approved schedule, no program adjustments are planned. This was announced on Wednesday by Russian Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov.

Answering the question of the Interfax journalist about the possible adjustment of the program after the crash of the Su-57 in the Khabarovsk Territory, Borisov said that there would be no adjustment to the program, and the latest fighters would be delivered to the Armed Forces according to the previously approved schedule.

Everything goes according to plan, everything is fine

- the agency quotes the words of the deputy prime minister.

Recall that on December 24, 2019, during a test flight in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, a Su-57 fighter crashed, the pilot managed to eject. The crashed aircraft was to become the first fifth-generation serial fighter Su-57, adopted by the Russian Aerospace Forces (VKS). Later it was reported that a special commission was established to investigate the causes of the incident.

In total, according to official figures, the Russian Air Force by 2028 should receive 76 Su-57 units.

By the way, in the same December of last year, the Chinese edition of Sohu refused to consider the Su-57 a fifth-generation fighter, assigning it a 4 +++ class (3 +++ according to the Chinese classification). The cause of the crash of the Su-57 in China was called insufficient funding and the use of low-quality components.

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[Avior]

. The cause of the crash of the Su-57 in China was called insufficient funding and the use of low-quality components.

Is it really that they put something Chinese on the plane?

[Invoce]

Quote: Avior

. The cause of the crash of the Su-57 in China was called insufficient funding and the use of low-quality components.

Is it really that they put something Chinese on the plane?

They put it ... They buy it cheaper (crap rejected) and pass it off as component 1 category ...
remember with an unsuccessful attempt to launch the station to Mars .. The chips were not ready to work with increased radiation in space ... In the aircraft industry, the same thing ... The dispersion of the parameters of components ... no words to convey ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: Invoce

Buy cheaper (crap rejected) and give out for components of the 1st category ...

Where did the firewood come from, dear? Even if they put something Chinese there, it is not at all a fact that it is bad. If you forget, then we are under sanctions, and we have to do almost everything ourselves, and often from scratch. So if in China there are components that can go (so far) to the fighter, why not? Or wait another 5 years until we create our own and then let the fighter go into production? China has already learned how to do things that are not inferior to Western models, and the time when the Chinese was sold at 5 cents per bunch was over.
As for the SU-57, based on the results of the accident investigation, conclusions were drawn and shortcomings were eliminated. And it’s not at all a fact that something Chinese was out of order there.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: NEXUS

Where did the firewood come from, dear?

Andrey, with your permission, I want to add to - "They buy cheaper ..."
Yeah, and military representatives at the factory clap their ears. Military envoys are subordinate to the Ministry of Defense, and not to the plant, so they are vigilant !!!

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Avior

. The cause of the crash of the Su-57 in China was called insufficient funding and the use of low-quality components.

Is it really that they put something Chinese on the plane?

think joking? Yes, everything is possible ... in f-15x and then the Chinese processors found ... how? you ask ... but I do not know how. probably because the lion's share of this silicon in China is produced.

[Vasily Ponomarev]

can you please link about f 15?

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Vasily Ponomarev

can you please link about f 15?

I have not saved the article, unfortunately, try browsing the net. I think I read on the site "courage" a couple of years ago.

[Vasily Ponomarev]

a couple of years ago?! wait, I thought it wasn’t even now, and what was then 2 years ago, then it wasn’t even offered for shopping

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Vasily Ponomarev

a couple of years ago?! wait, I thought it wasn’t even now, and what was then 2 years ago, then it wasn’t even offered for shopping

what are you talking about now?

[Vasily Ponomarev]

[/ Quote]
think joking? Yes, everything is possible ... in f-15x and then the Chinese processors found ... how? you ask ... but I do not know how. probably because the lion's share of this silicon is produced in China. [/ quote] you wrote about the new f 15x or is it in the plural?

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Vasily Ponomarev

did you write about the new f 15x or is it plural?

understood ... you are the same "vasily ponomarev" as I am "louis armstrong" ... you don’t understand simple turns of the Russian speech .... and if I curse you (forbidden on the website), will you fall into a stupor? It is not enough to know the Russian language, you need to understand it. I'm kind today, and the lesson is free for you ... so: I wrote: f-15x ... this means not F-15X ... it means: "ff fifteens"clear? learn Russian, it will come in handy, otherwise you will be taken prisoner, and you will not be able to ask for a smoke ..

[Vasily Ponomarev]

Listen, there are those who write this way and that, so your reproach is slightly off topic

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Vasily Ponomarev

Listen, there are those who write this way and that, so your reproach is slightly off topic

Well, do not be angry if that. I didn’t want to offend, the bots surround, the daughters of the officers, etc. specialists ... (but doubts remained in your lice.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Aerodrome

Quote: Vasily Ponomarev

can you please link about f 15?

I have not saved the article, unfortunately, try browsing the net. I think I read on the site "courage" a couple of years ago.

I remember they even wrote about the scandal in the USA on this basis.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Piramidon

Quote: Aerodrome

Quote: Vasily Ponomarev

can you please link about f 15?

I have not saved the article, unfortunately, try browsing the net. I think I read on the site "courage" a couple of years ago.

I remember they even wrote about the scandal in the USA on this basis.

phew .... even though there is a witness ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: Aerodrome

phew .... even though there is a witness ...

So that I, too, would not be accused of unsubstantiation, I searched and EASY found. And there is not only about the F-15

https://inosmi.ru/usa/20120603/193025137.html

https://www.aex.ru/news/2014/1/7/115319/

https://www.vedomosti.ru/technology/news/2011/11/08/senat_ssha_na_ryad_samoletov_vvs_ustanovleny_poddelnye

[Vasily Ponomarev]

Yes, I understand, they bought from China without the permission of the congress, quite often they have this

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Piramidon

Quote: Aerodrome

phew .... even though there is a witness ...

So that I, too, would not be accused of unsubstantiation, I searched and EASY found. And there is not only about the F-15

https://inosmi.ru/usa/20120603/193025137.html

https://www.aex.ru/news/2014/1/7/115319/

https://www.vedomosti.ru/technology/news/2011/11/08/senat_ssha_na_ryad_samoletov_vvs_ustanovleny_poddelnye

Here .. from the heart .... as they say .. I "balabol" at least I will not be considered.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Vasily Ponomarev

I don’t know, I didn’t find the links

Looking bad.
https://inosmi.ru/usa/20120603/193025137.html

https://www.aex.ru/news/2014/1/7/115319/

https://www.vedomosti.ru/technology/news/2011/11/08/senat_ssha_na_ryad_samoletov_vvs_ustanovleny_poddelnye

[Xenofont]

Yes, on the submarine in the equipment, the Chinese kit was found from "funny" contractors!

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Aerodrome

Quote: Avior

. The cause of the crash of the Su-57 in China was called insufficient funding and the use of low-quality components.

Is it really that they put something Chinese on the plane?

think joking? Yes, everything is possible ... in f-15x and then the Chinese processors found ... how? you ask ... but I do not know how. probably because the lion's share of this silicon in China is produced.

How could something Chinese be in the Su-57?

KRET is the largest Russian holding in the electronic industry, the main focus of which is the development and production of systems and complexes of avionics and radar stations for civil and military aviation, including the latest fifth-generation fighters Su-57 and Mig-35. The total revenue of the concern, according to the annual report of the enterprise, amounted to 139,9 billion rubles. Total net profit - 16,1 billion rubles.

https://www.rbc.ru/politics/23/08/2018/5b7e74679a7947449fced4bd

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

How could something Chinese be in the Su-57?

I cannot explain to you the whole intricate modern "economy", and I did not assert, but did not rule out ... because I have not met a domestic similitude in civilian life, it is good if everything is different in the defense industry, but I don’t think so, it’s all the same We buy from Asia, but where else? in splinter or what?

[Sky strike fighter]

I cannot explain to you the whole intricate modern "economy"

The global division of labor in pursuit of the highest profits. There is no crime that capitalism would not have committed for 300% profit, but this is relevant only in the field of civilian radio electronics, but there are also closed military topics that have seven locks.

and I did not argue, but did not exclude ...

You assumed.

because I have never met a domestic resemblance in a civilian, it’s good if everything is different in the defense industry

In the defense industry, everything is different, but production volumes are not so large there, but the global civilian microelectronics market is divided among the global companies by giants and it’s not easy to get there without a clear state program for the development of competitive domestic microelectronics. everywhere we have a purely market approach, namely that the market is already divided and more profitable to produce in Taiwan or China, also with the civilian aircraft industry. But this is a dead end approach without access to mass production for civilian markets. And for this, liberal-minded comrades should be removed from the government , which often represent the interests of Western firms, which we don’t need competitors in our faces as a citizen. Otherwise, we will only have dead end small-scale production.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Otherwise, we will only have a dead end small-scale production.

thanks Max, but I already knew all this, 30 years ago when there was an opportunity to "steer in electronics" ... now it is useless to twitch, only for the defense industry it makes sense, without options, otherwise on other people's processors, our "achievements" - scrap metal. we are already in the Future, imperceptibly so, raaaaz and there. and here everything is different. here with one button, you can decide whether or not to live in this or that country without using weapons. I am surprised myself, I read fiction since childhood, and now I lived ... it seemed like a miracle a "pager" but he "died" a year later! We flew at supersonic speed in development and fly into the Stone Age. ! paradox. the population "grows smarter" and dulls at the same time that something amiss is happening. children easily at 2 years old "poke" smartphones, finding the right cartoons, but they don't want to sit down in the pot, they only eat when they turn on the "pigpeppa" or there "smeshariki" ... they are not interested in the process, they do not care .. they need information to the brain, and nutrition is secondary. the generation of "outs" is progressing, but everyone is silent .. why, put an old "smart" into the hands of a 2-year-old baby. and that's it ... silence. I see this to my fear. how deep we went ..

[Xenofont]

NATO members do everything for the war at their factories. Unfortunately, the Chinese sell components that are not "military acceptance", and even more so, not for space. Accordingly, fault tolerance for both commercial needs.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

How could something Chinese be in the Su-57?
KRET is the largest Russian holding in the electronic industry, the main focus of which is the development and production of systems and complexes of avionics and radar stations for civil and military aviation, including the latest fifth-generation fighters Su-57 and Mig-35. The total revenue of the concern, according to the annual report of the enterprise, amounted to 139,9 billion rubles. Total net profit - 16,1 billion rubles.

No matter how large a holding it is, it cannot produce the entire range of components. There are allied suppliers, and there are cunning managers who can easily make their own from China.
Yes, zashshite you the same Chinese and they will put on their microcircuits supplied to Russia the mark - "MADE in RUSSIA" and even, at the request of the client, "MADE in USSR". The Chinese are also inclined to the thesis - "Any whim for your money."

[Old Michael]

Is it really that they put something Chinese on the plane?

More like a curvature during assembly / maintenance - deadlines are running out, New Year's Eve on the nose, bonuses are in danger ...
More recently, only professionalism and endurance of the crew prevented the crash of the IL-76, on which the repairmen did not lock the nut in the steering gear mechanism.

[Invoce]

The cause of the crash of the Su-57 in China was called insufficient funding and the use of low-quality components.

I would like to add that all components, not of proper quality, were purchased in SEA ..
Only tight control and personal responsibility for all stages of production will pull Russia out of ....
Yes, and in the Government, in each ministry, it is necessary to appoint an authorized NKVD, with the right to make a pre-trial decision on an attempt to betray the Fatherland (each of them has a homeland where money is stored) right at the workplace ... Then work will go. There will be money and the retirement age will not need to be increased ..
By the way, a new joke went for a walk ...
Medvedev. There is no money, but you hold on ...
Mishustin. No money? And if I find it?

[KCA]

There are no low-quality components in SEA for a long time, 5 years I have been engaged in procurement, on the contrary, there is a problem, for example, designers need to play with resistors, that's something wrong, you’ll pick up another resistance, at least 1000 check if it says 100kΩ 5% ALL will be 100kΩ and run in 5% will not

[wt100]

All over the world, the model of an ambassador’s plane crash aircraft is stopped (limited) until the cause is identified, and possible technical glitches of the glider, avionics, etc. are eliminated.
And first of all, we have show-offs for the whole world, that they are armed with troops, they are on duty ... 5th generation ... blah blah .. and if there’s a technical defect? Do not even wait for the conclusion of the investigation, from a big mind seems .. with Ponte.

[Invoce]

Quote: wt100

All over the world, the model of an ambassador’s plane crash aircraft is stopped (limited) until the cause is identified, and possible technical glitches of the glider, avionics, etc. are eliminated.
And first of all, we have show-offs for the whole world, that they are armed with troops, they are on duty ... 5th generation ... blah blah .. and if there’s a technical defect? Do not even wait for the conclusion of the investigation, from a big mind seems .. with Ponte.

Bullshit ... and with us, if the reason is not established, they cease operation until the cause is eliminated or established ... everything was clear the next day. And measures that exclude such disasters will be introduced before the production of serial aircraft and their delivery to the aerospace forces

[KCA]

Do you know for sure that the reasons are not clarified? Is it at the factory after testing? When there is complete control of flight data

[K-612-O]

Well, the F-35 was not limited or canceled after the "accident" in Israel and the disaster in the United States.

[voyaka uh]

1) In Israel there was a collision with a bird.
The plane has long been in service. All Israeli 20 pieces fly.
2) In the United States, one F-35B crashed at the Marines training base. The fuel supply pipe frayed.
Then checked all the F-35B.
3) The Japanese F-35 crashed when the pilot lost consciousness during vertical descent from high altitude.
For 500 aircraft - two disasters.
For technical reasons - one disaster.

[alexmach]

ambulance crashes

What else avicatostrophes?

that armed with troops, are on duty

You are not in the know what to write about?

[bessmertniy]

It pleases that everything is going according to plan, and there will be no delay in deliveries of the SU-57. As for the Chinese assessment of the aircraft, then this should not concern us.

[Sky strike fighter]

Everything is clear with China, they don’t need a competitor in the person of the Su-57, so they are doing a black PR, especially since there is a reason for this.

[Nikolaevich I]

Yo-mine! As far as I had to deal with the "western" classification method, then more than 2 "pluses" did not come across! And if you enter 3 pluses ... then 4 ... and then it will reach 10 pluses! So you have to, instead of reading the article, "pluses" to count! By the way, one Russian "expert" suggested introducing the concept of "5-" for products "higher than 4 ++, but not" reaching "a little bit to 5" ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Yo-mine! As far as I had to deal with the "western" classification method, then more than 2 "pluses" did not come across! And if you enter 3 pluses ... then 4 ... and then it will reach 10 pluses! So you have to, instead of reading the article, "pluses" to count! By the way, one Russian "expert" suggested introducing the concept of "5-" for products "higher than 4 ++, but not" reaching "a little bit to 5" ...

Yes, I would not give a damn about all this artificially created tinsel in the form of a generation figure. The main thing is that the machine fulfills the tasks laid down in it. As the saying goes - "Do you have checkers, or should you go?"

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Piramidon

"Are you checkered, or should you go?"

Here it is true!

[egor1712]

The Chinese edition of Sohu is now cited by the Military Review as leading military experts. No need to PR them. Let them look at their logs ... the so-called 4 +++ devices

[Alexey from Perm]

it seems only in Russia they consider su 57 for the 5th generation, nowhere else, here even the Chinese do not recognize

[ultra]

Quote: Alexey from Perm

it seems only in Russia consider su 57 for the 5th generation

Corresponding to the 5th generation, this is an ephemeral thing. Suppose we consider that the 5th generation should have a full-fledged UVT, then f-22 no longer corresponds to our ideas about the fifth.

[Alexey from Perm]

in principle, it’s possible to consider the matter anyway, but the main thing is that they give the aircraft performance characteristics or not.

[Amateur]

By the way, all in the same December last year, the Chinese edition of Sohu refused to consider the Su-57 a fifth-generation fighter

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