20th anniversary of education reform: the era of the exam and silicone


Twenty years have passed since the reform of Russia's education. Back in January 2000, in the Kremlin Palace of Congresses, five thousand delegates gathered, representing educational institutions of the country at all levels - from preschool to postgraduate. The then Federal Minister Vladimir Filippov assembled a large congress of educators, who managed to gain a reputation as a progressive reformer in the liberal media in a couple of years.


According to Western tracing


The big congress of educators was interested in high power purely pragmatically. He was supposed to support the nomination of candidates for the presidency of the country, Vladimir Putin, who received carte blanche from the first Russian president Boris Yeltsin two weeks ago. Therefore, the substantial agenda of the congress was left to the initiative minister, and he did not fail ...

The Filippov Office prepared supporting material for delegates in the form of a brochure, “Global Trends in the Development of the Education System”. Thus, setting the tone for the discussion of the congress, oriented toward Western educational patterns.

The discussion was based on the federal targeted education development program adopted by the government on the initiative of the profile minister a year earlier. Now she was to be consecrated by the support of the professional community.

So the country received two important documents at once - “The National Doctrine of the Development of Education in the Russian Federation” and “The Concept of the Structure and Content of Education in a 12-Year School”. They absorbed both the “sweetie” from the target program of the government (improving the financing of the teaching staff and the educational institutions themselves, equipping them with computers, Internet access, strengthening the material and technical base as a whole), and the bitter pill of a radical change in school curricula.

Under the knife went all the basic subjects of the Soviet school. Three hours a week received the Russian language, mathematics, natural sciences, a foreign language, social studies. The remaining disciplines were honored with the status of “additional modules” aimed at “humanization, humanitarianization”, obtaining communication skills, etc.

All this composition of scholars of wisdom was crowned by the provision on testing the knowledge of students, later drawn up by lawmakers, as the Unified State Exam (USE). However, another minister - Andrei Fursenko, who replaced Vladimir Filippov, who left the ministerial chair under the fire of public criticism, was already engaged in this.

Criticism of reform


Admittedly, criticism of the reform proposed by Filippov began immediately after the congress. It turned out that the school still has many teachers who are accustomed to Soviet standards of instruction. They did not understand how it was - to remove entire disciplines from the educational process (astronomy, for example), and to cut the basic objects mercilessly.

The curtailment of curricula was the second motive for criticism. Subject teachers lost half their school hours. Because of this, their earnings decreased. Principal teachers were concerned about the expected decline in the quality of education. In the new conditions, schoolchildren could get only fragmentary knowledge.

And so it happened soon. This was felt not only by professional educators, but also by society. Therefore, when an actress who did not recognize the heroic at school history General Dmitry Mikhailovich Karbyshev, was a shame to the Hero, she was without hesitation attributed to the "generation of the exam." This expression about the students of the Philippine reform has become a meme. Now, and not just about schoolchildren.

Public criticism swept out from the Ministry of Education not only the initiator of reforms, but also his zealous follower. Although the authorities appreciated their zeal and worthily rewarded. Vladimir Filippov, Putin awarded the Order of Merit to the Fatherland, IV degree. The exact same award was received by Andrei Fursenko.

Over time, society came to terms with education reform. We were calmed by the fact that they blocked the twelve-year plan proposed by Filippov and the Western system of knowledge assessments. The criticism has subsided. However, the consequences of the reform made themselves felt.

Undereducated youth sought their prospects in the humanitarian sphere. From technical schools and universities, crowds of lawyers, economists, and "managers of the highest qualification" tumbled down. But the real economy needed smart machine tools, welders, locksmiths, technicians, engineers, etc. But who will go to study as a locksmith or a weaver when on TV there are all the time successful lawyers and keepers with inflated silicone forms. And lips - silicone, and a diploma ...

Seeing this, the authorities began to maneuver. In his Address to the Federal Assembly, President Vladimir Putin bluntly stated: the country today urgently needs qualified personnel for the economy. He promised to increase budget places for students in deficit specialties. The distortions of reform now, it seems, are going to be eliminated.

The president’s message was announced on January 15th. And the day before was just the 20th anniversary of that memorable congress, which launched the reform of education. But the country did not notice this "anniversary". But the consequences are noticed: people with three diplomas of higher education and knowledge close to zero - have become a frequent phenomenon from Vladivostok to the capital: the era of the exam and silicone.
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  1. knn54 16 January 2020 14: 35 New
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    Sorry, but no words, just drooling ...
    1. Proxima 16 January 2020 15: 19 New
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      The merit of Soviet education is that every generation was practically utterly educated than the previous and vice versa, the “charm” of the current education is that every generation is utterly moronic than the previous! Where are we going - scary to imagine! One thing is clear, Russia will never see man-made breakthroughs like Sputnik, Energy-Buran and the like!
      1. rich 16 January 2020 15: 25 New
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        Filippov's Office cares more about Western grants than education itself
        1. depressant 16 January 2020 16: 03 New
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          I wandered in Zen ...
          Apparently, the articles are introduced without editing and hastily. Because I'm not talking about typos and not even about the style of presentation, I'm talking about something else. Many articles, of course, are illiterate, but there are such that the number of errors, naivety, and contradictions between the facts allegedly confirming the author’s thought exceed all permissible limits of ignorance, causing violent protests from readers, a flurry of indignation. At the same time, the protesters also make mistakes and see them as a reason to cling to each other. And then “teachers” appear, arrogantly blaming “ignoramuses”, and they themselves make mistakes ...
          This is the exam, colleagues. I go to Zen to laugh. But she noticed something worse. Previously, it was called "pouring water", that is, coherently say a lot about anything. Here the victims of the exam have succeeded. Time requirement?
          1. Old Michael 16 January 2020 18: 40 New
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            Time requirement?

            No time. Global capital.
          2. Tcheluskin 19 January 2020 18: 24 New
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            This is not an exam, it is an "electronic ochlocracy." Previously, during the USSR, there were still the same citizens with approximately the same level of intelligence; but there was no internet, and other media were state and centralized. Therefore, Okhlos did not publish his opinion in any forums, Yandex Zen, etc., but only in the kitchens and shops at the entrance. And now, with new technologies, along with radically increased opportunities for the distribution of the “useful signal”, the propagation of “noise” has also grown. Yes, you will filter;)
      2. Sergey Valov 16 January 2020 15: 51 New
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        Do not idealize Soviet secondary education. It began to deteriorate with the introduction of a mandatory ten-year period. High school also slowly degraded in parallel.
        1. Proxima 16 January 2020 16: 00 New
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          Quote: Sergey Valov
          Do not idealize Soviet secondary education.

          Against the background of the current education, Soviet education is not perfect, but super-ideal!
          1. Sergey Valov 16 January 2020 16: 13 New
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            Those who want to get an education will be able to do this even now, those who did not want could not be forced then.
            1. Krasnoyarsk 16 January 2020 16: 31 New
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              Quote: Sergey Valov
              Those who want to get an education will be able to do this even now, those who did not want could not be forced then.

              Controversial statement.
              1. bk316 16 January 2020 18: 55 New
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                Controversial statement.

                Which part is the controversial?
                1. Krasnoyarsk 17 January 2020 00: 09 New
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                  Quote: bk316
                  Which part is the controversial?

                  In both. 1. Even those who did not want to study, through the efforts of teachers, received the basic stock of knowledge necessary for work in industry and agriculture. Thanks to which, in the end, they became, after 5-7 years, cool specialists in working professions. And in order to get the first rank, in any of the working professions, so that he could work independently, he, thanks to this knowledge, needed only two months.
                  Today, the education system is set up so that a student who does not want to study will not receive this basic stock of knowledge. Because the teacher doesn't give a damn about it.
                  2. For those who wanted to study, from a poor family, for some reason they couldn’t get to a budget place, and the family has no money for a paid one. And this happens quite often. But a wealthy child who does not want to study is studying, because dad paid.
                  1. Den717 17 January 2020 09: 49 New
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                    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                    And in order to get the first rank, in any of the working professions, so that he could work independently, he, thanks to this knowledge, needed only two months.

                    Obviously, you cannot imagine what a working profession is and what categories they usually have. Point your finger at the turner of the first category. It would not be a bad idea to show an educational institution that trains such turners in two months laughing Also about the first level locksmith, etc.
                    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                    Today, the education system is set up so that a student who does not want to study will not receive this basic stock of knowledge. Because the teacher doesn't give a damn about it.

                    Do you yourself understand what you wrote? The main thing is "a student who does not want to learn" !!! And why doesn’t he want - you didn’t wonder? For the most part, because Mom-Dad was initially "scored" for his child. And the children were all up to the "bulb". And what about a teacher who also has 30 souls in elementary school besides this “child prodigy”?
                    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                    Those who wanted to study, from a poor family, couldn’t get to a budget place for some reason, and the family has no money for a paid one. And this happens quite often. But a wealthy child who does not want to study is studying, because dad paid.

                    Firstly, the reason for not getting to the budget place is quite simple - insufficient knowledge. Today, there are a lot of budget places in universities in engineering profiles. Those who wish will always be able to do if they have basic knowledge. About the "dad paid." Usually, when dad pays, dad from the child asks for the money spent. The bulk of those who pay for their studies consider the cost of training worthwhile to be interested in the return on this money. It is not necessary to imagine that the children of wealthy parents must be stupid and lazy. A wealthy parent, as a rule, understands the importance of education and the inevitability of his child’s competition in the labor market. A significant proportion of such parents participate in the education system of their child long before they graduate from the school, and therefore their children have very high scores for graduation from school. The world is not black and white, it is very diverse and falls under the quotation of the analysis of the view from the window.
                    1. Krasnoyarsk 17 January 2020 12: 03 New
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                      Quote: Den717
                      You obviously cannot imagine what a working profession is,

                      Here, dear, you have come to the fullest. I worked for 43 years in one factory, in one workshop as an electrician.
                      Quote: Den717

                      Obviously, you cannot imagine what a working profession is and what categories they usually have.

                      The categories are different. In my factory, from 1 to 6.
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                      Point your finger at the turner of the first category.

                      Easily. 1. I, having entered the factory as a student of an electrician, received the first month 72 rubles, the second 90, After two months I passed the exams for the 1st category. I don’t remember after how many years I received the 6th category. My son, having graduated from school, as you understand 10 classes, entered my repair shop as a turner student at my factory. Two months later, he passed the exams for the 1st category, after 8 months for the 2nd, and a half and a half for the 3rd. Working as a turner of the 5th category, he entered the institute. Now she’s working not in an institute’s specialty, but in a CNC lathe. If necessary, he writes a program for this machine.
                      Quote: Den717
                      It would be nice to show the educational institution where

                      As you probably already understood, this is a plant. True Soviet, not bourgeois.
                      Quote: Den717
                      And why doesn’t he want to study - didn’t you wonder?

                      And what is there to think - mother is too lazy, the vast majority.
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                      parts because dad-mom initially "scored" on his child.

                      There was a place to be. But the teachers, at my school, did not “beat” these students and arranged for them extra. classes after lessons. The class teacher: - "So, Ivanov, Petrov, Sidorov at 14-00 in the room No. Marya Ivanovna will work out with you in Russian, at the same time Mikhailov, Stepanov, Semenov in room No. Ivan Pavlovich will deal with you physics, etc. etc. etc. That's how it was in a Soviet school.
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                      Firstly, the reason for not getting to the budget place is quite simple - insufficient knowledge.

                      Quote: Den717
                      The world is not black and white, it is very diverse

                      And you say - "the reason is simple enough" But what about - "The world is not black and white"?
                      1. Den717 17 January 2020 13: 46 New
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                        As you probably already understood, this is a plant.

                        Well, they killed on the spot. laughing In the city of my youth, factories did not teach turners. There were vocational schools, of which turners were issued at least 2 categories. And what an exceptional such plant is engaged in training. No. Will be more correct - was engaged. Because today it is impossible due to the regulatory framework. Except, maybe, some machine and tractor station on a forgotten farm. Soviet time ended 30 years ago, much has been forgotten, then why not return. And I would not say that the three-year-olds were very different from today.
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        But the teachers, at my school, did not “beat” these students and arranged for them extra. classes after classes

                        Today is the same. Despite the fact that both then and today, these add. classes were attended by those who wanted to pull something up (as a rule, after homework, when parents became aware of the academic performance of the child). Both then and today, school performance was controlled by higher authorities (RONO / education departments), and schools were interested in student performance. Just one more problem was added to the school - graduates of pedagogical institutes of the 90s come to school management.
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                        And you say - "the reason is simple enough" But what about - "The world is not black and white"?

                        There is no contradiction - it does not matter what your income is, you can raise a child with any income, because most of this education on the part of parents is not measured by money. And as we (parents) approach this matter, then there is a complete rainbow of motivation and methods.
                      2. Krasnoyarsk 17 January 2020 16: 30 New
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                        [quote = Den717]
                        Well, they killed on the spot. In the city of my youth, factories did not teach turners [/ quote]
                        And they taught at my factory! Only you, please do not die. although killed on the spot.
                        Your ignorance of something does not mean its absence.
                        I’ll kill you again, not to die.
                        [quote = Den717] There were vocational schools, of which turners were issued at least 2 categories. [/ Quote]
                        You won’t believe it, but my factory had its own basic vocational school. Now it has been transformed into a VPU (higher) Yes, they trained turners and milling machines and electricians there.
                        Many of them came with 4th rank. But ... they were taken, at best, on the 2nd, after testing. But basically all of them, like tenth graders without prof. education, starting from scratch. Ie PTUshnik with 1st grade, and a tenth grader from a student.
                        Well ... a control shot - during the course of my work at the factory I trained 8 people as a sergeant-electrician. And getting for this, for two months of training, 25 rubles. per month. Having passed the exams for discharge, they proceeded to independent work under the vigilant supervision of all members. my team. In addition, I had such a rule - having fully trained in work on this section, the simplest one, I transferred it to a more complex section. Etc. Until he has mastered all the stages of our work, and this is already the 6th category. [
                        quote = Den717] Will be more true - was engaged. Because today it is impossible due to [/ quote]
                        Here you are right, engaged. Because there is no longer a factory with a 168-year history of its existence. Remained the skeletons of workshops where you can safely make a film about the defense of Stalingrad.
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                        There is no contradiction - it does not matter what your income is, you can engage in raising a child with any income ... [/ quote]
                        You do not find that raising a child and his education is not quite the same thing?
                        How many percent of parents are able to educate their children themselves?
                        Of course, I taught my grandchildren, long before school, to read and write, four arithmetic operations. But when my granddaughter, to my objection that this could not be, brought the textbook and poked me with her nose in the chapter entitled “Ampère Force” I gave up. I have not taught this. I taught and used in practice my whole life, banal - the current is measured in amperes.
                      3. Den717 17 January 2020 16: 55 New
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                        You won’t believe it, but my factory had its own basic vocational school.

                        Well, why? Just this was the main practice of those times. And yes, they could have recruited at least the zero level, but the vocational schools issued no lower than the second. It’s just that if a basic vocational school graduates specialists who do not meet the requirements of the plant, then it was necessary for the factory to send its representatives to the state commissions in these vocational schools, and not scoff at the young kid and not write him a worthless 1st category in the workbook if he had a 3rd category diploma. Under the USSR, such lawlessness was possible, and there was nowhere to complain.
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                        You do not find that raising a child and his education is not quite the same thing?

                        I did not prepare homework with my children and did not read parallel courses. Moreover, in high school the program really needs to be studied. Yes, we also did not study the power of Ampere, although such a concept is in topics on magnetic fields. Not in this I saw my task. I was more concerned with controlling the attendance of classes, completing assignments, sometimes I just talked with them about school affairs, and simply regulated their free time (sections, circles, additional education ....). Those. built them a system of organization of study. Of course, my wife also worked in this direction with me in a pair. This was enough for children to receive gold medals in a regular school and successful study at universities. Do you see the difference between upbringing and education? Yes, she is. But that is not the point. It is necessary that for parents, activities with children should be their hobby. Then the groans about the exam, about overloaded programs, about the lack of money for entering a university, etc. will disappear. This is what I think based on personal experience. You may not agree. But, as the classic used to say, practice is the criterion of truth.
                      4. Krasnoyarsk 17 January 2020 17: 38 New
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                        ... and not scoff at the young kid and not write to him in the workbook worthless 1st grade in the presence of a 3rd grade diploma.

                        I must apologize for the inaccuracy. Nobody spoiled their workbook. There remained his graduate degree. He simply wrote a request to pay for his work on the 1st level. Of course, he was given the 1st category job. And they explained why so. And the next day he himself understood the justice thereof. Somehow, an employee who had previously worked in a television studio came to me, he was repairing televisions, receivers, so he could not immediately understand, even did not immediately read the diagrams.

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                        Under the USSR, such lawlessness was possible, and there was nowhere to complain.

                        You do not say bad things about the USSR, do not. There was no such lawlessness, as it is now, in relation to workers in the USSR. I know what I'm talking about. Do not believe? You are a competent person, able to read and understand the Soviet Labor Code and compare with the modern "Labor Code"
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                        It is necessary that for parents, activities with children should be their hobby.

                        I completely agree with you, but ... in the absence of constant care for daily bread. I raised my children in the 80-90s, and to feed them I went to the village every day, was engaged in a subsidiary farm to feed my children with milk, meat, vegetables and fruits, which were impossible to buy from us during these years. So, - stretch your legs along the clothes, for some the children are hobbies (I like it more - my favorite thing), and for someone ...
                      5. Den717 17 January 2020 18: 10 New
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                        He simply wrote a request to pay for his work on the 1st level.

                        Well, that is, the commanders understood that this could not be done, Kzot did not allow it, and were reinforced by the consent of the “sentenced”? Top class mockery !!! Like, so conscious that he didn’t want a salary ?! Do you yourself believe in such a crap? I remember that Khodorkovsky, the Komsomol leader, who snatched Yuganskneftegaz for himself, also convinced the UNG work team that they were working badly and that the enterprise was not pulling its legs. As a result, everyone wrote a request to be cut by a third of them .... wassat From the fact that the USSR turned into the Russian Federation, people within the borders of the RSFSR did not change. The directors did not become turners, and the locksmiths did not enter the director's offices. As commanded then (methods and techniques), so it continued after ... the template thinking remained. A person does not instantly change.
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                        You do not say bad things about the USSR, do not.

                        I don’t speak badly, but it’s not worth retouching the picture. Each state of our country has its own advantages and disadvantages.
                        And seeing the shortcomings, it is possible to take measures to overcome them. I lived and worked in the USSR, and I also know what I'm talking about.
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                        Soviet Labor Code and compare with the modern "Labor Code"

                        Very interesting topic. And what are the differences, if you exclude the reservation of jobs for graduates?
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                        in the absence of constant care for daily bread.

                        I also did not pour loaves from the sky, and I had to go through difficult times.
                      6. Krasnoyarsk 17 January 2020 23: 13 New
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                        Well, that is, the commanders understood that this could not be done, Kzot did not allow it, and were reinforced by the consent of the “sentenced”? Top class mockery !!! Type, so conscious that the salary itself is not

                        This indicates that you received unearned wages, i.e. remuneration for labor, but received a salary. Therefore, you do not know what piecework wages are.
                        For simplicity, to make it clearer to you, I will give an analogy. There are two masons, one experienced, with the 3rd category, and the second only from the school and also with the third category. They have a brigade form of labor organization and piecework wages. Young tries, but he is inexperienced and put 50 bricks, and the experienced put 100 bricks. The question is how to fairly distribute earnings in the brigade, if both have the same rank? What would you do? We did not have the right to deprive the rank assigned by the qualification commission, but we also could not allow a person to get unearned. Otherwise, an experienced worker would simply refuse to work with him and would be right.
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                        Very interesting topic. And what are the differences, if you exclude the reservation of jobs for graduates?

                        Do you want me to arrange a educational program? Lack of leisure time.
                        Very short offhand. The administration did not have the right to fire an employee without the consent of the trade union committee. If the administration enters the trade union committee with the initiative to dismiss the employee, the trade union committee carefully understands whether the Labor Code has been violated in the presence of the employee and the administration representative (beginning OK)
                        Today, the boss did not like the worker, expressed dissatisfaction with the working conditions, that's all - you are fired.
                        The rest, if desired, you will find out for yourself.
                      7. Den717 18 January 2020 11: 16 New
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                        Very short offhand. The administration did not have the right to fire an employee without the consent of the trade union committee.

                        And who is the trade union committee? Are these the ones that you give out packages for NG? Those that are in the state of the enterprise and are awarded by the head of the enterprise? Maybe somewhere and once the trade union “washed” the director, but already their exploits were overgrown with weeds. But in general, I agree, it was not easy to fire an employee, not even a drunkard and a hack. Today, by the way, is also not so simple, with the active resistance of the employee. Therefore, in the labor, as a rule, dismissal "on their own."
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                        This indicates that you received unearned wages, i.e. remuneration for labor, but received a salary. Therefore, you do not know what piecework wages are.

                        There were a lot of methods for calculating salaries. Piece-premium is only one of them. Therefore, you better touch the bricks. It is even more complicated and diverse. I am not an accountant, you are not. I will not discuss the differences between salaries and salaries. What you got is your story, which is not tested and you can talk about your exploits from three boxes. I can only say that the USSR, of course, is a pity to me, but there will be no return to it, and therefore we should not sigh about it. We must live in the realities of our time.
                      8. Krasnoyarsk 18 January 2020 14: 54 New
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                        Quote: Den717
                        And who is the trade union committee? Are these the ones that you give out packages for NG?

                        Everyone can criticize and anger, as well as scoff. That's just not everyone works.
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                        Therefore, you better touch the bricks.

                        ??
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                        What you got is your story, which is not tested and you can talk about your exploits from three boxes. I will say

                        ???????????????
                        Do you have critical days?
                      9. Den717 18 January 2020 15: 13 New
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                        Therefore, you better touch the bricks.

                        Typo. That's right - "better not touch." I won’t talk about critical days, I think you’ll guess who should be asked .... I hear an insult in your words. In vain. You consider yourself the most experienced and the only one who worked in the USSR, but this is not so. And everyone has the right to their opinion.
                      10. Krasnoyarsk 18 January 2020 15: 58 New
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                        You consider yourself the most experienced and the only one who worked in the USSR,

                        Again stupidity froze.
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                        And everyone has the right to their opinion.

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                        Well, that is, the commanders understood that this could not be done, Kzot did not allow it, and were reinforced by the consent of the “sentenced”? Top class mockery !!! Like, so conscious that he didn’t want a salary ?! Do you yourself believe in such a crap?

                        So you expressed your opinion and how? After my explanation, you remained in your opinion? But you realized that you were in a mess and, in order to save the “face”, you started about the fact that “it’s better not to touch the bricks”. But this is just an analogy!
                        Ok, let's assemble stools from the finished parts. You, motivating with your "scientific degree", will say that you should get more, and I will motivate by collecting 3 times more stools per shift than you. You did not agree and began to work alone and receive for 2 stools you collected. And I'm for 6.
                        But the trouble is that, for safety reasons, we cannot work alone, therefore, a team.
                        For you, all this is crap, and for me, it’s normal practice.
                        So, have your opinion, that's just what it is based on? On your representations? Or knowledge?
                      11. Den717 18 January 2020 16: 15 New
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                        Ok, let's assemble stools from the finished parts.

                        Do not crawl into the wilds unknown. You complain that under the Soviet regime everything was better than under the current one, and I tell you that each time has its pluses and minuses. But the truth is that, no matter how it is better in the USSR, he will not return. And you need to understand how to live in reality. And you are with stools ... Although, probably, they say correctly - all generals are prepared in past wars, so all experienced ones live by the concepts of yesterday. And it would be necessary to keep up to date. And do not complain about how the Soviet factories prepared a turner of the 1st category in two months, but think about how to grow up grandchildren in the current competitive environment ready to promote and support their family, so that they could throw their grandfather on the tooth facade ...
                      12. Krasnoyarsk 18 January 2020 16: 30 New
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                        Do not crawl into the wilds unknown. You complain that under the Soviet regime everything was better than under the current one, and I tell you that in every

                        But our conversation was not about that.
                      13. Den717 18 January 2020 16: 35 New
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                        But our conversation was not about that.

                        The conversation was that "whoever wants it today can do something that the person who did not want then" ... Or do you again want to shock me with the RSFSR?
  • bk316 17 January 2020 10: 43 New
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    In both.

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    Even those who didn’t want to study,

    Remember the general rule for any knowledge. If a person does not want to learn, he will not learn. hi
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    Because the teacher doesn't give a damn about it.

    And before and now there was just a breakthrough of teachers who did not care. am
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    will receive this basic stock of knowledge.

    And then and now the students received some basic set, it just became different. belay

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    Those who wanted to study, from a poor family, couldn’t get to a budget place for some reason, and the family has no money for a paid one.

    And what has never happened before that a person for some reason could not get into a university? laughing

    According to your thoughts, it is clear to stasis that you are not just not in the topic of the current state of affairs, but you are somehow completely wrong in imagining the education system in the USSR.
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      Quote: bk316

      According to your thoughts, it is clear to stasis that you are not just not in the topic of the current state of affairs, but you are somehow completely wrong in imagining the education system in the USSR.

      Judging by these your words, you do not know how to read.
      1. bk316 17 January 2020 12: 25 New
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        Judging by these your words, you do not know how to read.

        Funny, but not the case ....
      2. bk316 17 January 2020 12: 56 New
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        Judging by these your words, you do not know how to read.

        And in the case, of course I did not work as a mechanic at the plant for 43 years.
        And so he taught at Moscow State University for 10 years, a year at school, and he is very familiar with many people who were and will be the elite of teachers in Russia, and probably the World too.

        So with a high degree of probability my words correspond to the real state of affairs.

        And it annoys me a little when people (like locksmiths) with aplomb make statements outside their professional domain, for example, I don’t teach you how to sharpen a tool ....
      3. Krasnoyarsk 17 January 2020 15: 48 New
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        Quote: bk316


        And it annoys me a little when people (like locksmiths) with aplomb make statements outside their professional domain, for example, I don’t teach you how to sharpen a tool ....

        Forgive me, but I was very surprised by these words.
        What aplomb and what did I say? That my teachers were very good? So this is my estimated point of view, what does aplomb have to do with it and not my professional area?
        What did I briefly say about my path and the path of my son? And what's wrong with that?
        You asked in which school. in two months, they teach a young man the first category of a turner, locksmith, I honestly answered you. What is wrong? How have I offended you so much? It’s not my fault that you rushed into the area in which there is no squirrel. I'm about prof. discharges. And with aplomb.
        Here you write - = You obviously do not imagine what a working profession is, and what categories they usually have. Point your finger at the first turner ... =
        And they got it on purpose. What they took offense at and began to reproach me for all mortal sins. This is not good.
      4. bk316 17 January 2020 17: 34 New
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        You asked in which school. in two months, they teach a young man the first category of a turner, locksmith, I honestly answered you

        Uh ... I asked? You are confusing something.

        Here you write - = You obviously do not imagine what a working profession is, and what categories they usually have. Point your finger at the first turner ... =

        I write? Not me.

        I will not, unlike you, write
        Judging by these your words, you do not know how to read.


        But you still need to be more careful .....
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        But you still need to be more careful .....

        I offer you my most sincere apologies. Sorry. I am really inattentive. It turns out I had a dialogue with two.
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        I offer you my most sincere apologies

        Everything is fine. It happens. laughing
  • Proxima 16 January 2020 16: 50 New
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    Those who want to get an education will be able to do this even now, those who did not want could not be forced then.

    You carry some nonsense! This is not about some Lomonosov, but about the 12 million Russian children who are now in school.
    1. Sergey Valov 16 January 2020 16: 56 New
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      To master the modern school curriculum, it is not necessary to be a child prodigy, desire and perseverance is quite enough. And vice versa, no Makarenko will ever manage to teach Mitrofanushka anything.
  • Podvodnik 17 January 2020 10: 55 New
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    Or maybe we just got old and begin to growl: "But in our time ..." The eternal question of fathers and children.
    I studied at a regular secondary school No. 183 of the Sormovsky district of the city of Gorky. I gratefully recall my teachers. My education was enough for me. And the textbooks of the USSR, too. But let's recall our classes: 1-2 excellent students, 5-6 strong good guys. But more than half are triplets! Which study ball "to the bulb." He entered the Higher School of Higher Education. The same picture. 1-2 excellent students, 5-6 good guys, the rest pull only 3.
    Here the reason is not in education-school-university specifically. Here is the problem of a society that hurts. And in a sick society, a strong school, a strong army, etc. cannot exist separately.
  • Zoldat_A 16 January 2020 17: 02 New
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    Quote: Sergey Valov
    Do not idealize Soviet secondary education. It began to deteriorate with the introduction of a mandatory ten-year period.

    You, Sergei, judging by these words, in Soviet times, you had no relationship to school by age. In the Soviet Union (at the time of the collapse) there was a compulsory eight-year education. And then - he likes - in the “heel”, he likes - the technical school, he likes - in the 10th grade, while he likes it, he’s a student at the factory.

    But my grandfather, for example, a man from the pre-revolutionary years of graduation, sent to the Red Army in the 30s, got into the tank school only because he had a good seven-year education at that time ...

    And in 2014, students of history (!) Of the fifth (!) Course of one of the branches of the Moscow pedagogical (!) University, to my mother’s question about the name of Hitler, answered amicably: "Hitler!" When my mother hinted to them that a person, in addition to his surname (pseudonym), also has a name, just as quietly shut up. And only one of the boldest girls suggested that Hitler had the name Napoleon ...

    NAPOLEON HITLER !!!
    "Hitler Kaput", damn it ...

    I understand that the example of Hitler is not so hot ... But after all, Herostratus is still remembered.
    1. Sergej1972 16 January 2020 17: 25 New
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      At the time of the collapse there was a compulsory secondary education. But it could be completed not only in high school, but also in technical schools and secondary vocational schools (since 1984 all vocational schools have become secondary).
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        Quote: Sergej1972
        At the time of the collapse there was a compulsory secondary education. But it could be completed not only in high school, but also in technical schools and secondary vocational schools (since 1984 all vocational schools have become secondary).

        Here I am about that. And Sergei Valov is talking about mandatory ten-year education. He would have enrolled in a kindergarten with a manger in obligatory ones - there would have been even more. winked
    2. Sergey Valov 16 January 2020 17: 44 New
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      Actually, I graduated from school in 1974. A bit of history - since 1949 the compulsory seven-year plan, 1959 - 1963. transition to eight years. June 20, 1972 issued a decree of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the USSR "On the completion of the transition to universal secondary education of youth and the further development of the secondary school."
  • Lexus 16 January 2020 16: 11 New
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    For the "successes" of Russian education, you can not clink glasses ...
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      Quote: lexus
      For the "successes" of Russian education, you can not clink glasses ...

      Graduates who received 100 points in the exam have come to work on Channel One.
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        Graduates with 100 points

        In the parish and aulskih less is impossible hi
  • antivirus 16 January 2020 16: 13 New
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    that every generation is utterly moronic than the previous! Where are we going

    all modern generations are urban (live in their small homeland). they themselves are formed, cheer up, and the former went out of the village to people or to janitors or academics (ticket to life) - and everything depended on the teacher. not like now - from TV
  • Loess 16 January 2020 14: 36 New
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    But who will go to study as a locksmith or a weaver when on TV there are all the time successful lawyers and keepers with inflated silicone forms. And lips - silicone, and a diploma ...
    So for the sake of these two lines, it was worth inventing such a heading?
    1. Proxima 16 January 2020 15: 09 New
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      The “reform” of education is a time bomb, the effect of which we already fully feel. I don’t remember my parents helping me do my homework. I do lessons with my son every day! It’s good that I have a Soviet educational base, I am able to do this, while others generally hire tutors! But it’s okay, it won’t lose me, the most scanty thing is that when I decide for my son, let's say algebra, I see that he does not know the subject! What they teach children there is incomprehensible! What do they get money for if the lion's share of children actually at home education. Now the teaching staff is already being updated by “educators” who have already finished Ped, having graduated from a “reformed” school. My son asked an English teacher (I can’t help, I studied German) after a call, which of which he should explain, and she sent him, sent to a paid elective, which she teaches! In Soviet times, such a teacher would be kicked out of school !!! In a word, not education, but sheer sloppiness!
      1. Loess 16 January 2020 15: 19 New
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        What they teach children there is incomprehensible!
        I did my homework with an older child in elementary school, now the child is almost an excellent pupil and does not ask me questions. Now I teach the youngest to do it myself, I come home from work, check, explain. Questions to teachers arise mainly of an organizational nature.
        Regarding the English language, write to me in PM - I will give advice. My child helped, and in a couple of months. What is typical without the slightest financial cost.
      2. Dude 16 January 2020 15: 33 New
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        The “reform” of education is a time bomb, the effect of which we already fully feel.
        Truly so. Moreover, deliberately laid down and put into action.
        To be honest, I asked to explain to my parents if (as a rule, this happened when I missed something in the lessons, skipped school, or missed it for other reasons) I did not understand something in the new material. It was easy for me, the family was educated, and if dad and mom could not explain, there were enough aunts, uncles, and grandparents with the necessary specialization in the necessary subject. But, never in my life, not a single teacher, schoolchildren (and then students), if we asked for help, refused.
        In the school where I studied, there were even (naturally, free) peculiar electives, not for in-depth study of the subject (there were such, of course), but, relatively speaking, lagging behind.
        (I’ll make a reservation right away, the school was not elite, but not the last one either.)

        ... when I decide for my son, let's say algebra ...
        But it’s in vain, KVM, isn’t it better to explain so that I understand and decide for myself? winked
        1. Proxima 16 January 2020 15: 39 New
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          ... when I decide for my son, let's say algebra ...
          But it’s in vain, KVM, isn’t it better to explain so that I understand and decide for myself? winked

          Naturally explain, but it happens that he is not able to decide for himself, even with my help.
          1. Dude 16 January 2020 15: 56 New
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            Got it, accepted! yes Then everything is correct. Sorry for hitting wink
          2. helmi8 16 January 2020 16: 23 New
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            Quote: Proxima
            but it happens that he is not able to decide for himself, even with my help.

            Children now are not taught to reason logically at all. This whole system is built on testing, pre-proposed answers to the question. A step away from the topic - and the child is in a stupor, because they did not teach him to think and analyze. Write them now for a week of a computer, smartphone, calculator - there will be a complete collapse ... My grandson (7th grade) has to explain something from the program (which I myself remember, of course), so he is surprised that he understands better than the teacher explains . I graduated from school more than 40 years ago, but I remember the basics ... smile
      3. Doctor 16 January 2020 16: 16 New
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        . I don’t remember my parents helping me do my homework


        Come on. It always has been.

  • rocket757 16 January 2020 14: 39 New
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    They would have called for a requiem for this "reform", would have waved a little white with pleasure!
    1. Dude 16 January 2020 15: 36 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      They would have called for a requiem for this "reform", would have waved a little white with pleasure!

      Moreover, pr-complete! laughing
      1. rocket757 16 January 2020 17: 08 New
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        And polished b another 200, Schaub revival did not happen!
        1. Dude 17 January 2020 03: 22 New
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          And polished b another 200, Schaub revival did not happen!

          On this occasion, it would be possible to grind with all available noble drinks - for such a thing any god will forgive!))
          1. rocket757 17 January 2020 06: 39 New
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            Dreams, dreams ... let's see what the coming day will bring to us.
            1. Dude 17 January 2020 08: 42 New
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              . Dreams Dreams ...

              ... - where is your sweetness? (don’t think what, I’m just quoting one great poet)winked
              that the day is coming ...
              ... is cooking me))) if it’s classic!
              Can I be equated to passing the exam, or I have poor preparation in literature and musical creativity? winked
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                I do not quote directly \ exactly when this is not required.
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                  Yes, I, too, are not in a claim, and so, vividly specified wink
  • carstorm 11 16 January 2020 14: 40 New
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    And so it happened soon. This was felt not only by professional educators, but also by society. Therefore, when the actress, who did not recognize the heroic story of General Dmitry Mikhailovich Karbyshev at school, was denounced as a Hero, she was without hesitation attributed to the “generation of the exam
    only the trick is that Medvedev is an actress born in 85 and in 2000 she was 15 years old and physically she cannot be the Unified State Examination generation. taught by the old programs and the same teachers who, as written above, are accustomed to Soviet standards.
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      Quote: carstorm 11
      and physically it cannot be a generation of the exam

      Well, what, in fact, do you find fault with trifles?))
      1. carstorm 11 16 January 2020 15: 09 New
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        really) what am I))) and you think there were neighing in the hall and half of whom are older than the actress herself, and she herself thought that the hero was fictional ... but at the same time the Unified State Examination was sideways to them. the main thing is to say
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          Quote: carstorm 11
          really) what am I))) and you think there were neighing in the hall and half of whom are older than the actress herself, and she herself thought that the hero was fictional ... but at the same time the Unified State Examination was sideways to them. the main thing is to say

          In fairness, the demolition of the Soviet education system began (with varying degrees of "success" in different areas, directions and territories) not in the 2000s, but, if you look closely, back in the first half of the 90s. USE and Fursenko - this, so to speak, is already varnishing, "cherry on the cake."
          So, your nitpicking, IMHO, far-fetched. hi
          1. carstorm 11 16 January 2020 15: 51 New
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            I actually spoke and did not reflect on the topic. she is not a victim of the exam in fact and age) the rest is someone who remembers how. in my school teachers didn’t change after almost 91 and they taught as before. and who is Karbyshev I know. and according to you, I studied in a broken system. at which I managed to enter the VCA, which is rather difficult and studied there perfectly. But I’m only almost 5 years older than this actress.
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              Quote: carstorm 11
              I actually spoke and did not reflect on the topic. she is not a victim of the exam in fact and age) the rest is someone who remembers how. in my school teachers didn’t change after almost 91 and they taught as before. and who is Karbyshev I know. and according to you, I studied in a broken system. at which I managed to enter the VCA, which is rather difficult and studied there perfectly. But I’m only almost 5 years older than this actress.

              Here is the ability to think, many of us are missing ...
              For some reason, you took my post as an attack on you. In vain, I assure you. I clearly said scrapping the education system has begun in the first half of the 90s, the existing backlog was enough for many more years, and not in all areas, even so far, everything has been ruined (fortunately).
              So we were lucky with you (I'm not so much older than you), we managed to get a good education.
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                not at all) it’s just that I don’t think any system is to blame but the people living and working in it) they taught me but they couldn’t.
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                  The system consists of people, everything is interconnected, of course. But it seems to me quite about that.
                  Yours faithfully, drinks
      2. Mestny 16 January 2020 15: 50 New
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        Indeed, what's the difference, is it true or not?
        The main task of the article once again to slander the authorities is completed. True to the C grade.
        1. Dude 17 January 2020 03: 32 New
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          Quote: Mestny
          Indeed, what's the difference, is it true or not?
          The main task of the article once again to slander the authorities is completed. True to the C grade.

          I don’t understand - in what and whom did they slander in the article? Or did you speak out of principle? Well, if you want the education reform to your taste, I wish that your children do not understand anything except the exam. Good consumers will grow. lol
    2. Barmaleyka 16 January 2020 15: 40 New
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      Quote: carstorm 11
      taught by the old programs and the same teachers who, as written above, are accustomed to Soviet standards.

      well, by 95 it’s already safe to say that education has plunged into the abyss after 2000 it’s already just fixed this drop by law, no money girls dream of becoming prostitutes and I'm sorry the Great Patriotic War is being poured with mud, many teachers think not how to teach but how to eat
  • Svetlana 16 January 2020 14: 42 New
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    The new social system, capitalism, could not leave the socialist system of education, health care and many other systems. (Gosplan for example). Social methods do not fit into capitalism. Alas, this is so. And in this case, the deduction from the capitalist finished cripples, this is the norm.
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      Quote: Svetlana
      The new social system, capitalism, could not leave the socialist system of education, health care and many other systems.

      You clearly said, "The new social system." Everything turns out as "We will destroy the whole world, and then we will be ours, we will build a new world." Everything was done with precision, but vice versa.
    2. Dude 16 January 2020 15: 48 New
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      The new social system, capitalism
      The system diligently mounted in our country is not even capitalism at all. This is a typical class society, with noticeable, fragmented, signs and features of capitalism, feudalism, and socialism, with a progressive decrease in the presence of the first and third, but an increase in the second sad yes
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        Yes, I also watched Konchalovsky. But his thoughts were still relevant for the 90s and 90s plus.
  • BAI
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    the country today urgently needs qualified personnel for the economy.

    And the slogan "We do not need developers, we need competent consumers" has not been canceled.
    1. Barmaleyka 16 January 2020 15: 32 New
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      Quote: BAI
      And the slogan "We do not need developers ...

      Not certainly in that way
      "... the drawback of the Soviet educational system was an attempt to shape a human creator, and now the challenge is to nurture a qualified consumer who is able to skillfully use the results of the creativity of others"
      1. Golovan Jack 16 January 2020 15: 47 New
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        Quote: Barmaleyka
        Barmaleyka

        Even here everything was distorted:

        Speaking at a conference held as part of the Seliger 2007 All-Russian Youth Forum organized by the Our Movement, Education Minister Andrei Fursenko complained about the oblique system in his department, which has been trying to prepare a creative person, from Soviet times. Now, according to the minister, the main thing is to nurture a consumer who can correctly use the achievements and technologies developed by others»

        Creators with this approach appear automatically, of the most capable of creativity.
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          first, specify in which place I misinterpreted, or is it important for you to insert your five cents?
          second, never when does a creator come out of a person with consumer psychology
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            Quote: Barmaleyka
            first, specify in which place I misinterpreted

            I quoted a quote from LH, real. Compare with the meme that you posted, and find the differences.

            Quote: Barmaleyka
            never when the creator of a person with consumer psychology

            It was not about "consumer psychology" at all, as someone struck you in the head. It was about to massively, without exception to teach everyone use new achievements and technologies.

            I repeat again -

            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Creators with this approach appear automaticallyof the most capable of creativity

            Still simple, no? wink
            1. Barmaleyka 16 January 2020 16: 06 New
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              the first you cite is NOT QUOTATION
              I quoted the second quote
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              It was about massively, without exception, teaching everyone to use new technologies.

              unlike you, I still understand what has been read and if it is said not to cook the creator, but to cook the consumer, that’s what it is said, not your inventions
              1. Golovan Jack 16 January 2020 16: 18 New
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                Quote: Barmaleyka
                the first you cite is NOT QUOTATION


                Enlighten yourself.

                Quote: Barmaleyka
                I quoted the second quote

                You're wrong. You brought the Internet meme that the magazine’s invented.

                Quote: Barmaleyka
                unlike you, I still understand what I read

                Unlike me, you read from the fence. I cited the document (link) above, I repeat - educate yourself. If there is enough tym, essno yes
                1. Barmaleyka 16 January 2020 17: 12 New
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                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Literary newspaper: Is the consumer in short supply now?

                  Enlighten yourself.

                  read it or just headline ?! laughing
                  By the way, there is no direct quotation from Fursenko. The article does not have an interpretation of the author who has a lot of questions for Fursenko
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  You're wrong. You brought the Internet meme that the magazine’s invented.

                  yes what are you ka provide a link to a quote
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Unlike me, you read from the fence. I cited the document (link) above, I repeat - educate yourself. If there is enough tym, essno

                  as they say read above
                  1. Golovan Jack 16 January 2020 17: 28 New
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                    Quote: Barmaleyka
                    provide a link to a quote

                    See above, there is a link. By reference - the phrase:

                    Speaking at a conference held as part of the Seliger 2007 All-Russian Youth Forum organized by the Nashi movement, Education Minister Andrei Fursenko complained about the oblique system in his department, which has been stubbornly trying to prepare a creative person, from the Soviet era. Now, according to the minister, the main thing is to nurture consumer who can make good use of the achievements and technologies developed by others

                    I have already quoted this phrase. Higher wink

                    Quote: Barmaleyka
                    as the saying goes

                    Sapienti sat yes

                    PS: The fact that you are ahem, a difficult interlocutor - I know, no advertising laughing
                    1. Barmaleyka 16 January 2020 17: 32 New
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                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      See above, there is a link. By reference - the phrase:

                      Do you even understand that this is not a quote ?!
                      and now we read further
                      The thought is not new. Mr. Fursenko has repeatedly expressed it in various aspects. For the first time, only the word "consumer" sounded at Seliger. Made a reservation? I hope so. Because otherwise a whole series of questions arise. Firstly, who are the “others” and where will the world Olympus be located on which they will create? If the entire Russian education system is reformed to consumer education, it is clear that we do not. And secondly, what then is the place of Russia in the world? Conveyor, on which the plebeians will "correctly use" the technology of "others"?
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      PS: The fact that you are ahem, a difficult interlocutor - I know, no advertising

                      and you are not merciful, you are not interesting, you are not defending the opinion, but argue with me, bring me the argument that Fursenko’s sweetheart and you will immediately start screaming that I’m a bastard praising the education killer
                      1. Golovan Jack 16 January 2020 19: 57 New
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                        Quote: Barmaleyka
                        Do you even understand that this is not a quote ?!

                        This statement of the speaker’s thought is close to the text. In the absence of a stamp, it will completely pass for a quote.

                        Quote: Barmaleyka
                        and now we read further

                        But this is pure speculation of a magazine ... of which, in particular, the so-beloved Internet meme was born.

                        Is it really that hard? I feel sorry for you sometimes request
                2. Foul skeptic 16 January 2020 17: 36 New
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                  Unlike me, you read from the fence. I cited the document (link) above, I repeat - educate yourself. If there is enough tym, essno

                  What you quoted above is a retransmission of Fursenko’s words by Literary Newspaper. Which have the same relevance as Barmaleika’s words of Smolin at the State Duma hearings, which also relayed the words of Fursenko.
                  Most importantly, there is no difference in phrases within the meaning. Generally.
            2. Barmaleyka 16 January 2020 16: 08 New
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              Quote: Golovan Jack
              to use new achievements and technologies.

              you know in the USSR, it’s like the same thing was taught to use new technologies at that time, but at the same time, it was the creators who were trained
  • tihonmarine 16 January 2020 14: 54 New
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    Under the knife went all the basic subjects of the Soviet school. Three hours a week received the Russian language, mathematics, natural sciences, a foreign language, social studies. The remaining disciplines were honored with the status of “additional modules” aimed at “humanization, humanitarianization”, obtaining communication skills, etc.
    And it was accepted at the congress of educators? Five thousand delegates representing educational institutions of the country at all levels, how can so many senility be gathered from all over Russia. I think these were not the last people in the field of education, but it does not fit in my head.
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      Vlad The 5000 delegates are not only making a decision; they are still loudly applauding, and they call such decisions historic.
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        They applaud loudly, and call such decisions historic.

        Yes it was. Even the all-union officer meeting of 4000 delegates was silent.
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      And these education workers are so used to it.
      They are just the product of the Soviet system of upbringing and education. This is when you are a screw, not deciding anything. The main thing is the team, and its leaders.
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        This is when you are a screw, not deciding anything. The main thing is the team, and its leaders.

        I don’t know, but I think it’s not better now.
  • Alexander X 16 January 2020 15: 26 New
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    Today, at one of the forums of motorcyclists, they talked about the Moebius ring. I pinned it and wrote that the Unified State Examination generation believes that this is a type of beer. So the people in all seriousness wrote: "Is it dark or light?" another answered: “But I haven’t even seen one like this on sale” ... The most corrosive asked: “Where is this brewer from?” ... laughing am
    ****
    As one friend of mine said: "Be extremely careful and attentive - the Unified State Examination generation has begun to work."
    1. tihonmarine 16 January 2020 16: 21 New
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      Quote: Alexander X
      So the people in all seriousness wrote: "Is it dark or light?"

      Well, with a beer, you came up with excellent. With another product it would not work.
  • Barmaleyka 16 January 2020 15: 28 New
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    In the new conditions, schoolchildren could get only fragmentary knowledge.
    judging by their communication with mangers, they don’t get fragmented knowledge either, sometimes they carry such nonsense that you don’t know what to answer
  • Mcar 16 January 2020 15: 35 New
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    In his Address to the Federal Assembly, President Vladimir Putin bluntly stated: the country today in dire need of qualified personnel for the economy.

    To country today I didn’t have a shortage of qualified personnel; I had to think about it 20 years ago. And then, you see, he was worried - in dire need. Strategists (censorship) - they don’t see anything beyond their own pantry with bucks!
  • Doctor 16 January 2020 16: 47 New
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    Everyone has already forgotten how in the USSR crowds of thieves, rich, hereditary and simply liked the examiner entered universities.
    The exam is an OBJECTIVE criterion for knowledge of the subject. So now the really best are coming. The chatter that they supposedly “train” dumb people comes from those who have not read real assignments in the USE, they still have to learn the subject.
    Here, try to train:



    The same humanitarian song. Pouring water and driving around your ears will not work.
    1. Barmaleyka 16 January 2020 18: 09 New
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      Quote: Arzt
      USE is an OBJECTIVE criterion for knowledge of the subject

      that is why the Caucasian republics are leaders in the knowledge of the Russian language repeat
      Quote: Arzt
      USE, there still have to learn the subject.

      USE math base
      https://yandex.ru/tutor/subject/variant/?subject_id=1&variant_id=361
      your math test version will forgive the same thing says a terrible drop in knowledge
      1. Doctor 16 January 2020 19: 34 New
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        that is why the Caucasian republics are leaders in the knowledge of the Russian language


        Not at all. The average Dagestan score of 2019 is 59,5 for the country 69,5.
        http://rcoi05.ru/analiticheskie-otchety-gia-2019
        https://4ege.ru/ege-gia/58093-srednie-bally-ege-2019.html

        your math test version will forgive the same thing says a terrible drop in knowledge


        As you know - everything is relative. I think about 80 percent of visitors to this site will not solve it, and most importantly they do not need it.
        In my opinion, the school program in mathematics is overloaded in a terrible way. Who's guilty? The ingenious academician Kolmogorov, who was entrusted with the reform of the 70s and by whose methods unhappy schoolchildren are still studying.
        Not everyone in the world of genius. Another academician, Portnyagin, said of the Kolmogorov textbooks as follows: “Modern school textbooks in mathematics are fundamentally untenable, since they emasculate the essence of the mathematical method.” He called the Kolmogorov reform program "deliberately complicated, inherently harmful."
        1. Barmaleyka 16 January 2020 20: 50 New
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          Not at all. Grade point average

          https://www.ntv.ru/novosti/611198/
          How to buy the exam in the Caucasus
          https://echo.msk.ru/blog/publicpost/1084742-echo/
  • parusnik 16 January 2020 17: 47 New
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    The distortions of reform now, it seems, are going to be eliminated.
    ... We will destroy the formation to the foundation, and then on what remains will be eliminated to eliminate distortions ... smile
  • Vanches 16 January 2020 18: 24 New
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    Yeah, the author is just being driven a lot about the exam. I’m almost sure that he didn’t see any tasks from Part C, but he’s talking
  • bk316 16 January 2020 19: 06 New
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    As you know, everyone knows how to rule the country and play football, today those who know how to build education have gathered here. laughing

    I’m directly interested in how many writers here tried to pass some exam and (I'm afraid to write directly) to read methodological materials on the exam .....

    Yes, the trouble with our education happened, but not at all because of what is written here .....
    Yes, they learned better in the USSR, but the collapse of Soviet education is obvious ....
    But what to do with all this NOW is not entirely clear.
  • Klingon 16 January 2020 19: 10 New
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    The merit of Soviet education is that every generation was practically utterly educated than the previous and vice versa, the “charm” of the current education is that every generation is utterly moronic than the previous! Where are we going - scary to imagine! One thing is clear, Russia will never see man-made breakthroughs like Sputnik, Energy-Buran and the like!

    and unlike Russia, arrogant Saxons (Britons) introduced the Soviet system of education in specialized subjects (physics and mathematics)! Oh how! where is the world heading?
  • smaug78 16 January 2020 19: 46 New
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    In his Address to the Federal Assembly, President Vladimir Putin bluntly stated: the country today urgently needs qualified personnel for the economy. He collapsed, he criticizes himself. HPP, where to go (((
    1. region58 16 January 2020 22: 38 New
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      the country today urgently needs qualified personnel for the economy.

      It's kind of put it mildly. The country today urgently needs qualified personnel for absolutely any field of activity.
  • Pux-m 16 January 2020 20: 08 New
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    The Soviet school of education and upbringing will forever remain the standard of education in the world! They defeated fascism, recovered quickly and were still the first in space .. Nobody in the world could repeat this yet with all their money and other tricky things ..
    This is only possible in Russia! And now, as if our youth were not trying to stupid and build the world order by force, but our youth gives evil results to all the exam and the Internet ..
    This is in our genes, you won’t lie! hi
    1. depressant 17 January 2020 05: 20 New
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      I read the argument.
      Colleagues, you do not take into account the law of large numbers. In Soviet times, the number of well-trained children far exceeded the number of poorly trained. Now it’s the other way around. As a result of this, many universities are forced to spend a lot of time completing their studies for students enrolled in the first year of study in the school curriculum. Even the rector of Moscow State University Sadovnichy complained that he had to deal with this, the level of knowledge of high school graduates was catastrophically low. Do not complain only at MIPT. But there come talents.
      I had a chance to somehow read the discussion by teachers about the prospects of their work. Despair among experienced teachers and stories of running away from a young school. However, teachers of all ages quit their job. None of the departed regrets. These are the working conditions in many cases. The school is losing staff, but there is no replacement. Yes, and children - have heard a lot about juvenile. Minister Vasilyeva could not turn the tide, they will clean it, she has exhausted her capabilities.
  • Jingibi 17 January 2020 01: 15 New
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    The fall in modern school education is noticeable even within my family. I graduated from high school in 2004. My nephew ends up as follows. I sincerely took an interest in his choice of future profession. Journalist or lawyer. Okay Let's see what disciplines are taken to “enter” the university in these specialties. Russian language, history, social studies. And, to my disappointment, the nephew’s head is empty on these subjects.
  • laminator 17 January 2020 05: 47 New
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    All health.
    I could not resist.
    Dear, the problem is not only in the reform of education.
    The problem with regard to education. I explain.
    1. The attitude of the teacher to the student.
    Now, the teacher is NOT FAVORABLE for the student to think / understand the subject.
    Teachers stupidly cheat on the program / training manual. Then they stupidly train them to the required minimum for the OGE.
    Want more, pay.
    2. The ratio of student to teacher.
    I will not write about this at all.
    I will only write that society does nothing with this.

    About OGE / EGE.
    Well now it's a classic Humpty Dumpty.
    It can no longer be collected (sadly).
    I explain.
    A lot of people and money are already involved. (not even money, BABLA).
    Teachers (and not only) - tutoring.
    Publishers are in steady demand.
    The Ministry of Education (or something like that) - the development of BABLA for the preparation of new tests.
    About those who are involved in the OGE / EGE - drain answers / decisions.
    Well, who will refuse all this?

    ... are you criticizing? Suggest!
    If we can’t refuse / get rid, from this system.
    One must learn to live with her, and use for the good.
    Personally, I liked the test system in one European country.
    They simply posted all the questions and solutions in the public domain.
    Do you want to remember, do you want to learn to solve.
    Just more than 10 questions.
    And in the exam, we must answer well, let's say 20 out of 10.
    The selection of numbers is random (taking into account the gradation in complexity).
    And about the tandem teacher-student, a sore subject, this society must decide.
    I’ll write just personal.
    When my son spoke poorly and disrespectfully of a teacher. I told him in Russian tête-à-tête (without mom), I explained: "The teacher spends HIS time to pour KNOWLEDGE into you. And the teacher is not to blame for the fact that YOU do not want to LEARN, and he (the teacher) there are 25 such assholes. Your task is simply to help the teacher. Just LEARN! "

    Thank you.
  • tank64rus 19 January 2020 16: 10 New
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    Let these examiners on Solovki in the local schools teach the USE there.