Belarus turned to Kazakhstan for oil, Kazakhstan answered Minsk


Minsk turned to Kazakhstan with a proposal to discuss the terms of oil supplies to Belarus. For this, the Belarusian delegation will arrive in this Central Asian country on January 20.


This was announced by Minister of Energy of Kazakhstan Nurlan Nogaev.

Kazakhstan responds that the deal will be completed only if it is economically beneficial for Kazakhstan. Representatives of Belneftekhim will be able to communicate with Kazakhstani oil companies, and if any of them will enter into a contract, the oil will begin to be exported to Belarus.

Shortly before this, Belarusian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Krutoy announced that negotiations with Russia on oil supplies had reached an impasse. The reason for this was the tax maneuver undertaken by the Russian Federation, in which the price of oil for Minsk rose. In Belarus, they believe that these prices will now be higher than world prices.

Therefore, President Alexander Lukashenko ordered to urgently seek alternative options for the supply of this raw material. Belarus announced the search for an oil supplier to various countries, including Poland, Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Azerbaijan and the Baltic states.

Since such negotiations are held daily, Dmitry Krutoy hopes that oil will soon go to Belarus via alternative routes.

The exact route that oil can go from Kazakhstan to Belarus has not yet been reported.

Earlier, Minsk addressed other countries, including Azerbaijan, with a question about buying oil.
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  1. vanavatny 15 January 2020 13: 01 New
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    I have a triple in geography, I’m not joking, though I didn’t understand where cheap oil for Belarus came from in Kazakhstan,
    1. Vadim02rus 15 January 2020 13: 03 New
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      From western Kazakhstan.
      1. vanavatny 15 January 2020 13: 05 New
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        hmm, it’s not clearer, I’ll follow the Belarusian-Kazakh globe
        1. Vadim02rus 15 January 2020 13: 08 New
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          At the same time, look at the Russian-German globe. Maybe you can find cheap gas for the Germans.
          1. vanavatny 15 January 2020 13: 09 New
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            he seems to be going through pipes to the addressee ...
            1. Vadim02rus 15 January 2020 13: 12 New
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              For the same for which Kazakh oil is in the Russian Federation. And back gasoline from the Russian Federation is cheaper than for Russians, "you understand."
              1. vanavatny 15 January 2020 13: 17 New
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                That is, there is no way without Russia, and why such a gloomy logistics, in the spirit of reversing Slovak gas for an independent one, I do not understand what the Old Man is bargaining for and how, in fact, he asked, can anyone explain how oil will become cheaper?
                1. Vadim02rus 15 January 2020 13: 19 New
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                  Well, for the “non-brothers”, transit has somehow become more profitable.
                  1. SPACE59 15 January 2020 13: 36 New
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                    Is reverse more profitable than direct purchases from us? There is a purely political-idiotic decision and not a gram of gain.
                    1. Vadim02rus 15 January 2020 13: 38 New
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                      I wrote about transit.
                    2. boriz 15 January 2020 23: 37 New
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                      It so seems to you that idiotic. In fact, gas is actually pumped directly from the GTS along its entire length, as before. A short pipe was laid on the border with Slovakia that pumps gas from Slovakia to the east, and then immediately returns it to the GTS. And there is again no west. In accounting, everything agrees. And the fact that it is impossible to pump both west and east at the same pipe at the same time, accountants are not supposed to know.
                      The difference between aggressive (but cheap) gas from the Russian Federation and “democratic” (but expensive) gas from Slovakia (which is still Russian) was put into the pocket of those who needed it. Starting from Poroshenko. Now the beneficiaries have changed, and the kickbacks will go through another gas company. I will not say through which wink
                  2. Krasnoyarsk 15 January 2020 18: 31 New
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                    Quote: Vadim02rus
                    Well, for the “non-brothers”, transit has somehow become more profitable.

                    Just don’t say it to the “non-brothers,” they will laugh. And there would be an opportunity, they would have thrown rotten eggs.
                    1. Vadim02rus 15 January 2020 19: 03 New
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                      Everything is possible in this walk-field. After the next maidan, most likely it will be so. But at the moment, some head there said something that this is the most profitable contract of all time for Gazprom for all time.
                  3. Lipchanin 17 January 2020 08: 29 New
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                    Quote: Vadim02rus
                    Well, for the “non-brothers”, transit has somehow become more profitable.

                    Yes, he did not become more profitable.
                    No one will sell the goods for less than they bought.
                2. major147 15 January 2020 14: 06 New
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                  Quote: vanavate
                  gloomy logistics

                  Yes, there were more than once such attempts by the father. I even bought some Venezuelan oil, but ..... in the end I returned to my "home harbor".
                3. Grits 15 January 2020 15: 31 New
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                  Quote: vanavate
                  what the Old Man is bargaining for and how, in fact, this is why he asked, can anyone explain how oil will become cheaper?

                  I don’t know how oil is, but I feel that in this way it can bargain for “Pennsylvania coal”
                  1. Krasnoyarsk 15 January 2020 18: 39 New
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                    Quote: Gritsa

                    I don’t know how oil is, but I feel that in this way it can bargain for “Pennsylvania coal”
                    Reply

                    But father leads Belarusians to the Ukrainian scenario by leaps and bounds.
                    If this goes on, I will be sorry for the Belarusians, as now I feel sorry for the Ukrainians.
                    Medvedev resigned with his camarilla. Hooray!.
                    The question is who will replace him? Do not bring and have mercy, if Kudrin, Siluanov and others like them.
                    1. Sergey49 17 January 2020 12: 17 New
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                      Perhaps Ukrainians and Belarusians feel sorry for these quilted jackets.
                      1. Krasnoyarsk 17 January 2020 12: 21 New
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                        Quote: Sergey49
                        Perhaps Ukrainians and Belarusians feel sorry for these quilted jackets.

                        But Serezhenka did not learn to speak without insults? Is everything so sad in the Ukrainian family and school?
                  2. Lipchanin 17 January 2020 08: 30 New
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                    Quote: Gritsa
                    but I feel that in this way he can bargain for "Pennsylvania coal"

                    From Donbass laughing
              2. marshes 15 January 2020 13: 17 New
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                Quote: Vadim02rus
                For the same for which Kazakh oil is in the Russian Federation. And back gasoline from the Russian Federation is cheaper than for Russians, "you understand."

                The import of petroleum products to Kazakhstan from Russia has been banned for already a year. In Kazakhstan, they don’t know where to put their gas.
                1. Vadim02rus 15 January 2020 13: 22 New
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                  It is forbidden by fuel trucks but not by rail. Cut off illegal immigrants.
                  1. marshes 15 January 2020 13: 26 New
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                    Quote: Vadim02rus
                    It is forbidden by fuel trucks but not by rail. Cut off illegal immigrants.

                    Yes, and banned fuel trucks as well as export.
                    Our refineries have all been refitted, but the price tags at Gazpromneft, so one of the shareholders is such Kulebaev, so there all our gasoline is local.
                    1. Vadim02rus 15 January 2020 13: 33 New
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                      Yes, no one forbade the export. Excise duty is introduced for the same reason as in the Russian Federation. Namely, exporting to a refinery is more profitable, since it’s more expensive there, and even for currency.
                      1. marshes 15 January 2020 13: 49 New
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                        Quote: Vadim02rus
                        Yes, no one forbade the export.

                        In the fall, they banned, in addition to a tank with a canister. At the request of Russia and Kyrgyzstan, they themselves will shear their sheep.
                      2. Vadim02rus 15 January 2020 14: 01 New
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                        "From November 2, 2019, a ban on the export of oil products from the Republic of Kazakhstan is introduced

                        By a joint order of the Minister of Energy of the Republic of Kazakhstan dated October 16, 2019 No. 338 ...........

                        ..... a ban on export from the territory of the Republic of Kazakhstan was introduced for a period of 6 months automobile vehicle goods belonging to groups 2709, 2710, 2902, 3403, 3811 of the EAEU TNVED codes, with the exception of cases of export in gas tanks prescribed by the manufacturer of automobile vehicles and installed in accordance with the technical specifications, as well as in separate containers of no more than 20 liters. "
                        Where is there about the export ban?
                      3. marshes 15 January 2020 14: 08 New
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                        Quote: Vadim02rus
                        Where is there about the export ban?

                        So, such laws were adopted by Russia and Kyrgyzstan to ban the import of fuel from Kazakhstan, look for their Orders.
                      4. Vadim02rus 15 January 2020 14: 13 New
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                        Above you write:
                        In the autumn banned, except for a tank with a canister, At the request of Russia and Kyrgyzstan

                        And then it turned around, they themselves need to look.
                      5. marshes 15 January 2020 14: 20 New
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                        Quote: Vadim02rus
                        And then it turned around, they themselves need to look.

                        In the summer, our minister boasted that the ban on the supply of fuel to Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan would be lifted, for some reason they were solving the issue with Russia.
                        Yes, and with the Uzbeks they don’t understand, they don’t want to buy our gas and they will buy oil at the cost price with taxes, they have the same expensive gas.
                2. Fan-fan 17 January 2020 12: 02 New
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                  Russian oil is delivered to Kazakhstan via the Omsk-Pavlodar oil pipeline. Here is the data from an article for January 2020: "-Pavlodar Petrochemical Plant - focused on the processing of West Siberian oil from Russia. That is, its work depends on the supply of Russian oil. However, due to differences in laws, bureaucratic delays and several other reasons Interruptions in the supply of Russian oil occur regularly. In particular, in May Russia cut supplies to the Pavlodar refinery by almost half - 270 tons of oil were delivered instead of the usual 500. "
        2. Ingvar 72 15 January 2020 13: 29 New
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          Quote: marshes
          Import of oil products to Kazakhstan from Russia is prohibited, as early as a year

          Like re-export to Russia. At the moment, the market of the Republic of Kazakhstan is oversaturated with gasoline, now at the top “bazaars” on the lifting of the ban on re-export of petroleum products in Russia.
          1. Fan-fan 17 January 2020 12: 05 New
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            Your untruth, here is a quote from an article in January 2020: “In general, a number of regions of Kazakhstan are constantly lacking fuel and lubricants. There are several reasons for this. Firstly, the Pavlodar, Shymkent and Atyrau refineries existing in the country simply can’t cope with the growing needs industry and population. "
      2. Grits 15 January 2020 15: 29 New
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        Quote: Vadim02rus
        For the same for which Kazakh oil is in the Russian Federation. And back gasoline from the Russian Federation is cheaper than for Russians, "you understand."

        This is more difficult to explain than the dependence of the gas price in Russia on the world oil price. When there is a rise in the price of gasoline when the price of oil rises and a rise in the price of gasoline when the price of oil falls.
      3. Kazbek 15 January 2020 19: 00 New
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        There is no Russian gas in Kazakhstan. It was once in small batches, but that was 12 years ago. All gasoline in Kazakhstan is local. The quality is worse than the Russian one, but it costs almost half the price.
        1. Vadim02rus 15 January 2020 19: 11 New
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          I have been in Astana since I was 11 years old. You can see the gas station from the window. 92nd has always been either the Omsk Oil Refinery or the Ufa. They wrote on the scoreboard. Now there’s nothing to write about) And so at almost all gas stations in the city.
          1. Fan-fan 17 January 2020 12: 10 New
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            I was in Pavlodar in the summer, refueling at a gas station, called "Gazprom", I ask whose gasoline, the Russian answer. By the way, for some reason, their gas costs 25 rubles a liter of A-92, and the whole thing costs both local and Russian. So it’s profitable for Russian capitalists to sell at that price.
            1. Vadim02rus 17 January 2020 12: 12 New
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              It is written on the Gazprom Neft Kazakhstan website that they are selling Omsk gasoline.
              1. Fan-fan 17 January 2020 12: 23 New
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                I’ll say more, the Omsk-Pavlodar oil pipeline is operating at its full capacity, I just don’t know what they are pumping through it. We drove from Pavlodar to Omsk in the summer and turned off the track into the steppe for bushes to warm up, have a bite, etc., all of a sudden Niva rolls up to us on the steppe road, two get out in camouflage and with arms and ask: “What are you doing here”, then: “Be careful, there is an oil pipeline under you,” the general was asked to drive aside.
      4. Stalllker 16 January 2020 17: 04 New
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        It’s the Kazakh’s business what price to set for gas ... Oil, gas too. In Russia, only processing. Or are you not familiar with such a scheme ???
      5. kuz363 16 January 2020 19: 27 New
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        It’s fundamentally wrong. Gasoline has become cheaper in Kazakhstan due to the reconstruction of 3 oil refineries and an increase in their productivity. And before that they really drove from Russia. Now there is no such need.
    2. KCA
      KCA 15 January 2020 13: 18 New
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      Well, Belarus will abandon Russian oil, quickly, in about 10 years, they will build an oil pipeline, and for the time being they will ride on horses, although I can’t imagine how cheap it is to deliver oil from Kazakhstan bypassing Russia.
      1. private person 15 January 2020 15: 47 New
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        will build a pipeline

        Where? On whose territory?
        1. KCA
          KCA 15 January 2020 16: 05 New
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          I write that there is no way past the territory of Russia, a tanker to Baku, from there by train, this black gold is comparable in price to gold, you won’t let the supertanker go across the Caspian, there will be river-sea class shuttles with a capacity of a couple of railway tanks
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        1. KCA
          KCA 18 January 2020 15: 15 New
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          Removing any organ is always a problem, they wanted to remove it in my childhood, but my father was categorically not, I live and do not cough, and my throat does not hurt, the sore throat last time was about 40 years ago. No lying, less, in 1992, laryngitis / forengitis forgot what it is, at school I was sick for half a winter
  2. antivirus 16 January 2020 10: 46 New
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    and there are others, if you look at globes from the inside out.
    on the flip side there is cheap oil gas
  • axiles100682 15 January 2020 14: 56 New
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    There is oil in Kazakhstan. Caspian western Kazakhstan. The only question is how can it be cheaper if it is transported further, you will have to pay for Russian transit. Besides, all oil producers of Kazakhstan have a foreign state share in companies of less than 50%, i.e. there is no control the package
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    2. Kazbek 15 January 2020 19: 11 New
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      They don’t have nichrome! Everything is sold under the PSA. And the state’s share is much less than 50%. They, in principle, do not receive anything from production, because mining companies have not yet returned the investment. And when they return it is not clear. So the Kazakhs do not have their own resources.
      1. Kazbek 15 January 2020 19: 13 New
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        Here you are driving everything against Putin, and our situation in the early 2000s was the same, if not worse! Vladimir Vladimirovich, by 2007, he had returned everything! And it was precisely with this that the general tonality of his Munich speech was connected! And the Kazakhs have wafed everything! Therefore, the poor 15M of the population can’t feed!
        1. axiles100682 15 January 2020 20: 26 New
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          17 million people now. And the rest I agree completely. All sold to foreign companies.
          1. Kazbek 15 January 2020 22: 40 New
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            In fact, the return can be started at any time! Under any pretext. It is possible as we have - for environmental reasons; You can still somehow! But only who will do this? The "family" has heated billions on this, and they are still in power. And no one else has steel eggs! And it would be necessary to return, for what will they leave to future generations?
            1. ABM
              ABM 16 January 2020 10: 36 New
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              all external assets will be arrested
          2. Victorio 16 January 2020 20: 43 New
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            17 million people now. And the rest I agree completely. All sold to foreign companies.

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            17 million were with the union. taking into account those who left, there is still an increase
            1. axiles100682 16 January 2020 21: 46 New
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              The experts left, the shepherds of the oralmans from Mongolia were transported. Well, of course, there is an increase, which is a sin
  • Victor_B 15 January 2020 13: 06 New
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    Quote: Vadim02rus
    From western Kazakhstan.

    Just pump it through our pipe.
    And do not hesitate - the price tag will be horse!
    So to speak - from our home, yours!
    1. hydrox 15 January 2020 13: 53 New
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      There the "hot" pipe goes to Samara - it’s as if the price tag will be horse-drawn: it’s impossible to transfer this oil to the railway, it will freeze in tanks.
    2. Oyo Sarkazmi 15 January 2020 16: 31 New
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      And do not hesitate - the price tag will be horse!

      exactly the price tag that Belarus asks for Friendship.
  • Victorio 15 January 2020 13: 27 New
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    Quote: Vadim02rus
    From western Kazakhstan.

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    as far as I know, there varieties contain highly paraffin, for transportation heating / stations are required, this is expensive
    1. bairat 15 January 2020 17: 43 New
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      Quote: Victorio
      Quote: Vadim02rus
      From western Kazakhstan.

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      as far as I know, there varieties contain highly paraffin, for transportation heating / stations are required, this is expensive


      Again, each refinery is imprisoned for its grade of oil, you just can’t change the technology.
    2. SovAr238A 15 January 2020 19: 34 New
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      Quote: Victorio
      Quote: Vadim02rus
      From western Kazakhstan.

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      as far as I know, there varieties contain highly paraffin, for transportation heating / stations are required, this is expensive

      Kazakhstan has already exported nearly 500 million tons of its Tengiz oil. Only through one of its pipelines to Novorossiysk.
      And it refers to light.
      1. Victorio 16 January 2020 13: 17 New
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        Quote: SovAr238A
        Quote: Victorio
        Quote: Vadim02rus
        From western Kazakhstan.

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        as far as I know, there varieties contain highly paraffin, for transportation heating / stations are required, this is expensive

        Kazakhstan has already exported nearly 500 million tons of its Tengiz oil. Only through one of its pipelines to Novorossiysk.
        And it refers to light.

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        light is a classification by density. paraffin content is different. pipe / pipes go to Novorossiysk, and not from it. continue to be transported by tankers, then you should forget about low cost
        1. SovAr238A 16 January 2020 19: 27 New
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          Quote: Victorio
          pipes go to Novorossiysk, and not from it. continue to be transported by tankers, then you should forget about low cost


          Enough to carry nonsense about the prohibitive low cost of pipelines.
          We have almost 55 thousand kilometers of oil pipelines in the Russian Federation.
          I’ll ask you - do you know that pipes in western Siberia change every 15-20 years?
          Do you know that replacing 1 kilometer of pipe costs about 1-1,3 billion rubles?
          To replace 200 km of a pipe is equal to the construction of one Borea, to replace 500 km of a pipe is equal to a new nuclear aircraft carrier.
          And transneft changes thousands of kilometers of pipe annually.

          Do you know what a huge economy provides oil pumping through a pipe?
          This is a huge LPDS with a bunch of staff
          and a bunch of guards, also by the way very well paid, with a huge fleet of expensive equipment.
          do not think that the pipe is very cheap. It could be cheaper. But not more than 5-10 percent.
          Otherwise, oil would not have been dragged by tankers in principle ...
          1. Victorio 16 January 2020 20: 18 New
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            Quote: SovAr238A
            Enough to carry nonsense about the prohibitive low cost of pipelines.

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            in particular. enough for you, the cost of transporting through the pipe is lower
            1. SovAr238A 16 January 2020 20: 44 New
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              Quote: Victorio
              Quote: SovAr238A
              Enough to carry nonsense about the prohibitive low cost of pipelines.

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              in particular. enough for you, the cost of transporting through the pipe is lower


              Unlike you, I am engaged in providing transportation of specialists for the pipe and for the pipe.
              and I travel around the facilities myself.
              I myself am in dozens of offices of the same transneft.
              and I understand perfectly the scale of this organization.
              And you are just a jerk and a balabol ..

              Tankers transport half of the world's oil.
              HALF!
              Explain to us why Sheskharis, CPC, Tuapse, Primorsk, several Murmansk terminals have a total shipment of about 200 million tons of oil per year?
              And they drive oil only to Europe.
              And only 50-70 million tons of oil goes through the pipe through the Soviet oil pipeline yet?

              Are you curious about this? It is so?
              Well, if the pipe is so much cheaper. then why through transshipment - there is a lot of oil leaving, but so little through the pipe?

              Learn materiel and stop thinking with slogans and slogans ...
              1. Victorio 16 January 2020 20: 50 New
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                Quote: SovAr238A
                Teach materiel

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                teach what the problem is. here you have the bones: pipelines are expensive, tankers can use the whole range of oil products, the market for oil products consumption is large in order to cover everything with pipes, but this goes
                1. SovAr238A 16 January 2020 20: 52 New
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                  Quote: Victorio
                  Quote: SovAr238A
                  Teach materiel

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                  teach what the problem is. here are the bones: pipelines are expensive, ....


                  But you just proved to me that oil pipelines are much cheaper ...

                  And I explained to you that oil pipelines, on the contrary, are very expensive ...


                  Did you change your shoes?
                  On the fly?

                  and I wrote about the oil transportation market. namely oil, crude oil ...
                  and not final products from oil ...

                  Please do not argue with the topic. who at least somehow, but in the subject.
                  1. Victorio 16 January 2020 20: 54 New
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                    Quote: SovAr238A
                    Did you change your shoes?

                    no

                    Well, if the pipe is so much cheaper. then why through transshipment - there is a lot of oil leaving, but so little through the pipe?

                    I answered you

                    and I wrote about the oil transportation market. namely oil, crude oil ...
                    and not final products from oil ...


                    pointed out as one of the advantages of shipping by sea
                  2. SovAr238A 16 January 2020 21: 03 New
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                    Quote: Victorio
                    ... shipping by sea

                    I understand ... you have to change shoes often. nothing was left of your original post ..
                    No further meaning
                  3. Victorio 16 January 2020 21: 09 New
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                    Quote: SovAr238A
                    Quote: Victorio
                    ... shipping by sea

                    I understand ... you have to change shoes often. nothing was left of your original post ..
                    No further meaning

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                    true, but in another, in comprehending the meaning. again: pipelines are expensive, tankers can the whole range of petroleum products, the petroleum product consumption market is large in order to cover everything with pipes, but the thing is going to
                    - cost at the construction stage, on the provision of transportation
                    - this is the advantage of a tanker (TRANSPORTATION OF DIFFERENT OIL PRODUCTS), and not in the cost of transportation.
  • private person 15 January 2020 15: 45 New
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    It is clear that from Kazakhstan. The question is, in what way will it get to Belarus? Again, through Russia and NP Druzhba? The railway again through Russia. And it will be necessary to pay for transportation, and this oil ultimately cannot be cheaper than Russian oil. Well, unless of course the Kazakhs give it for nothing, well, they are not fools; China is geographically closer to them.
  • AAK
    AAK 15 January 2020 19: 04 New
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    Magyshlak oil in Kazakhstan has a very high paraffin content, it must be pre-cleaned before refining or before transportation through the pipeline (if there is a jumper of the pipeline systems of the Russian Federation and Kazakhstan. If driven by tanks, it will be very expensive)
    1. Vadim02rus 15 January 2020 19: 27 New
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      But Vaseline can do a lot.
      1. prosto_rgb 15 January 2020 22: 49 New
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        Quote: Vadim02rus
        But Vaseline can do a lot.

        And candles in addition.
  • Obi-Wan Kenobi 15 January 2020 13: 06 New
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    where in Kazakhstan cheap oil for Belarus

    Caspian Sea
    1. Mordvin 3 15 January 2020 13: 13 New
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      Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
      Caspian Sea

      Logistics of supplies is incomprehensible. request
      1. marshes 15 January 2020 13: 21 New
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        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Logistics of supplies is incomprehensible.

        What is not clear, transneft will agree to be through the pipeline, or via Ust Luga-Poland, the Baltic States-Belarus or by Rail, via Batumi to Ukraine or Novorossiysk, as agreed.
        The main thing is that we would not be a loser.
        1. Tiksi-3 15 January 2020 13: 26 New
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          Quote: marshes
          The main thing is that we would not be a loser.

          the government of the Russian Federation will not be a loser, but we Russians will not get anything from this ..... the fuel is growing without interruption ... already the diesel engine in NN 49-63 ... (((
          1. Victor N 16 January 2020 16: 40 New
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            And what side are you on this? The involved transport workers will receive, the budget will receive, the Russians from the budget do not refuse to receive ...
        2. Piramidon 15 January 2020 13: 26 New
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          Quote: marshes
          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          Logistics of supplies is incomprehensible.

          What is not clear, transneft will agree to be through the pipeline, or via Ust Luga-Poland, the Baltic States-Belarus or by Rail, via Batumi to Ukraine or Novorossiysk, as agreed.
          The main thing is that we would not be a loser.

          And what similar logistics will cost Old Man?
          1. marshes 15 January 2020 13: 29 New
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            And what similar logistics will cost Old Man?

            They need to be asked, maybe they will get out with new duties and excise taxes.
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              Quote: marshes
              Quote: Piramidon
              And what similar logistics Old Man will cost?

              They need to be asked, maybe they will get out with new duties and excise taxes.

              ===
              Yes, not so much, only the railway fare inside the union. but everything is certainly more expensive than the pipe.
        3. Mordvin 3 15 January 2020 13: 28 New
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          Quote: marshes
          via Ust Luga-Poland, Baltic States-Belarus or by Rail, Through Batumi to Ukraine or Novorossiysk, as agreed.

          It's complicated. Did the Ukrainians find their ghost train that they sent to China?
          1. marshes 15 January 2020 13: 33 New
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            false. Did the Ukrainians find their ghost train that they sent to China?

            What they needed was brought to Kazakhstan, because it was not in vain that he was spinning in the north of Kazakhstan, and that there was no problem for their return orders.
          2. Finn 15 January 2020 13: 57 New
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            How to deliver? Psheki said the 6th fleet could approach the coast of Belarus. So tankers can.))
            1. Fantazer911 15 January 2020 20: 24 New
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              No, not Poles, but Jen Psaki sent 6 US fleets to the coast of Belarus hi
        4. hydrox 15 January 2020 13: 58 New
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          But what, did they build a hot pipe for oil from U.-Luga from Mangyshlak?
          I doubt :: it will be painfully expensive to transit ...
          1. marshes 15 January 2020 14: 11 New
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            that, did they build a hot pipe for oil from U.-Luga from Mangyshlak? I doubt that transit will be painful ...

            It has been going there for a long time, mixes up with Siberian in the Samara region, and oil is extracted not only in Mangyshlshlak.
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              I thought it was interfering, but it’s refining it at two oil refineries, but then there’s something ...
            2. SovAr238A 15 January 2020 19: 37 New
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              Quote: marshes
              Quote: hydrox
              that, did they build a hot pipe for oil from U.-Luga from Mangyshlak? I doubt that transit will be painful ...

              It has been going there for a long time, mixes up with Siberian in the Samara region, and oil is extracted not only in Mangyshlshlak.


              except Samara, look at the Caspian Pipeline Consortium. There are options too.
          2. SovAr238A 15 January 2020 19: 36 New
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            But what, did they build a hot pipe for oil from U.-Luga from Mangyshlak?
            I doubt :: it will be painfully expensive to transit ...

            there is nothing hot there ...
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      1. Tamparu 15 January 2020 14: 34 New
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        Oil from Libya. Already in Odessa a couple of tankers, if not more, went ...
    3. Olezhek 15 January 2020 13: 20 New
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      where in Kazakhstan cheap oil for Belarus



      Caspian Sea


      The conversation was about the price below market.
  • GKS 2111 15 January 2020 13: 13 New
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    They have at least oil
    About 200 oil and gas fields are located in Kazakhstan. The total reserves are estimated at 11-12 billion tons. Almost 70% of these resources are concentrated in the western regions of Kazakhstan.
    It is annoying to me as a citizen of the largest oil and gas producing country. In local currency, the cost of the 92nd liter is 145 tenge, or about 26,5 rubles. The price of NGV fuel is 55 tenge, or 9,11 rubles. Diesel fuel in Kazakhstan is sold at 193 tenge, or 31,96 rubles per liter. We go to them and, well, purchases between things. It’s cheaper.
    1. Vadim02rus 15 January 2020 13: 16 New
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      Amendment - 92nd costs 152 tenge. In 2020 they promised a raise. This is in Astana and the region.
      1. Skay-75 15 January 2020 14: 52 New
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        The price, in general, is different, with us, Aktobe region, ranges from 139 to 154 tenge, the 92nd
        1. Vadim02rus 15 January 2020 16: 30 New
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          Well, naturally different, as in different regions of the Russian Federation it is different. And not only the price but also the quality of the "product".
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          In the morning I refuel at 152. I looked out the window now - 156.
    2. Olezhek 15 January 2020 13: 19 New
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      Annoyingly different. In local currency, the cost of a 92nd liter is 145 tenge, or about 26,5 rubles


      Well, yes, but in Germany, gas prices are higher than in Russia ..
      The richer the country, the usually higher the price.
      1. Ingvar 72 15 January 2020 13: 31 New
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        Well, yes, but in Germany, gas prices are higher than in Russia ..

        And where is Germany on the list of oil producing countries? wink
        1. ProkletyiPirat 15 January 2020 14: 01 New
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          The issue is not production, the matter is refineries and their effectiveness in terms of scaling and diversification of suppliers. The easiest way is a coastal refinery, they have a purely technical problem, but onshore they have to organize logistics, and these are always artificial monopolies or a pipeline company, or a railway company or even be driven from local bandits to states with their geopolitics. Therefore, oil prices can jump from city to city ....
          1. Ingvar 72 15 January 2020 16: 53 New
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            It's not about production, it's about refineries and their effectiveness

            Those. In your opinion there is no difference, free raw materials for refineries, or purchased? belay
            1. ProkletyiPirat 16 January 2020 03: 47 New
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              Well, many people think that “only free cheese in a mousetrap” is turning a blind eye to the fact that the mouse pays for the cheese with its sweat and blood. Well, or, citing the analogs, even stolen oil tanks will cost money because you need to pay accomplices and the roof, well, and / or pay your sweat and blood. So there is no freebie, even if you think the opposite ...
        2. Olezhek 15 January 2020 14: 07 New
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          And where is Germany on the list of oil producing countries?


          Belarus already cut off from Google? belay
          1. Ingvar 72 15 January 2020 16: 52 New
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            Belarus already cut off from Google?

            Someone was cut off from the brains - I live in Russia, and have never been to Belarus. wink
    3. marshes 15 January 2020 13: 23 New
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      Annoyingly different. In local currency, the cost of the 92nd liter is 145 tenge, or about 26,5 rubles. The price of NGV fuel is 55 tenge, or 9,11 rubles.

      92 with NG for 10 tenge went up, the excise tax for the poor. Now it is 155 tenge.
      1. Mordvin 3 15 January 2020 13: 38 New
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        92 with NG for 10 tenge went up, the excise tax for the poor. Now it is 155 tenge.

        And why do your prices rise so slowly? What do the WTO requirements do not concern you? what
        1. marshes 15 January 2020 13: 43 New
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          And why do your prices rise so slowly? What do the WTO requirements do not concern you?

          And here is the WTO, there are no agreements on oil products under the WTO, only in terms of the amount of oil produced there is an agreement with OPEC,
          1. Mordvin 3 15 January 2020 13: 48 New
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            And here is the WTO, there seems to be no agreement on oil products under the WTO

            When Russia joined the WTO, one of the main requirements was to bring domestic energy prices to world prices. And how are you screwed up, it is not clear? By the 25th year, our tax maneuver will end, and it looks like it will be so.
            1. marshes 15 January 2020 13: 57 New
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              When Russia joined the WTO, one of the main requirements was to bring domestic energy prices to world prices. And how are you screwed up, it is not clear? By the 25th year, our tax maneuver will end, and it looks like it will be so.

              We have the same thing until the age of 25, only here it is not the WTO but the EAEU, by that time they say that the internal market of the participating countries will be regulated.
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                We have the same until the age of 25, only here is not the WTO

                It is the requirements of the IMF, WTO and the European Union. All newspapers wrote about this.
                At least:
                http://www.rgwto.com/digest.asp?id=4418&full_mode=1
                And then all this automatically transferred to the EAEU. So do not really rejoice there, we are all in the same boat. sad crying And we’ll cram the old man there. repeat
        2. Vadim02rus 15 January 2020 13: 54 New
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          And why do your prices rise so slowly?

          Last memory in my memory right after the EXPO. Then the truth was even slightly reduced. Before the EXPO 142-143 was, now 152. For three years this is nothing.
  • Barmaleyka 15 January 2020 13: 31 New
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    it’s basically cheap there but bad
  • Nyrobsky 15 January 2020 13: 48 New
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    I have a triple in geography, I’m not joking, though I didn’t understand where cheap oil for Belarus came from in Kazakhstan,

    Is this a mystery ?! Here is the riddle !!! - “Kazakhstan + oil”, “Azerbaijan + oil” is somehow understandable, but it’s not at all clear how this formula is connected with “Ukraine + oil”, or is it “Poland + oil” that they have soaked in land? Resale, anyway, will increase the cost of raw materials so that the father’s mustache shaves off. What is he counting on?
  • Alex Nevs 15 January 2020 13: 48 New
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    Well, if cheaper in Europe, why not buy there?
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      Well, if cheaper in Europe, why not buy there?


      God himself commanded !!!! laughing
    2. Nikolai Grek 16 January 2020 01: 30 New
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      Well, if cheaper in Europe, why not buy there?

      what because there is no cheaper !!! wassat
  • knn54 15 January 2020 14: 36 New
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    The issue is not geography, but the perspective of the EAEU.
  • Sergey Averchenkov 15 January 2020 14: 47 New
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    There is oil there, of course not on such a scale, but there is.
  • Basil50 15 January 2020 15: 12 New
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    cotton
    Lukashenko is not looking for cheap oil and other things for Belarus. He is looking for an opportunity to profit not only for himself, but for his growing clan. Because so much pathos in speeches and ostentatious resentment.
    By the way, the Poles have already promised those who will throw off all possible assistance to Lukashenko, at the same time they have promised political asylum to Lukashenko himself and his clan.
  • Dizel200 15 January 2020 16: 01 New
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    there, the cost of production is low, but preparation + transportation + taxes, etc. on exhaust are almost the same world price. But father is not a businessman, he is an ordinary farmer and thinks in the same way
  • SovAr238A 15 January 2020 19: 20 New
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    Quote: vanavate
    I have a triple in geography, I’m not joking, though I didn’t understand where cheap oil for Belarus came from in Kazakhstan,


    Kazakhstan has a pipeline to Novorossiysk.
    It is completely independent of Transneft.
    It is managed by an international consortium, where the share of the Russian Federation is 24%.
    And most importantly, it is a powerful oil pipeline. Up to 75 million tons of oil per year.

    Also, Kazakhstan has an introduction to the Transneft pipeline system.
    Accordingly, through offsets with Transneft, Kazakhstan has the full opportunity to ship "its" oil to Belarus.
  • Paul Siebert 16 January 2020 13: 18 New
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    It's funny when the future republics of Russia discuss something behind her ...
    1. SovAr238A 16 January 2020 19: 29 New
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      Quote: Paul Siebert
      It's funny when the future republics of Russia discuss something behind her ...


      Did he want to fight with the Kazakhs and Belarusians?
      Or "threw" so on podonkovsky?
  • Victor_B 15 January 2020 13: 02 New
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    Already sick of this circus with horses!
    I personally don’t know who to regret, Belarus or our loved ones.
    Absolutely, our liberal bloc can not tolerate the father, and are simply ready to shit on his head!
    On the other hand, Luka is still a pretzel! On my own mind.
    Belarusian shrimp alone are worth something!
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      Absolutely, our liberal bloc can’t tolerate the father’s


      Do you want to say that our siloviki are in awe of the dad? belay
      1. Victor_B 15 January 2020 13: 22 New
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        Do you want to say that our siloviki are in awe of the dad?

        In any case, they do not scream about it!
        1. Gost2012 15 January 2020 16: 55 New
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          Quote: Victor_B
          Quote: Olezhek
          Do you want to say that our siloviki are in awe of the dad?

          In any case, they do not scream about it!

          so, after all, the siloviki, they’re not screaming for them, are harsh and silent, look disapprovingly and play with cheekbones, spit through their teeth and think something gloomy ..
    2. kapitan92 15 January 2020 13: 24 New
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      On the other hand, Luka is still a pretzel! On my own mind.
      Belarusian shrimp alone are worth something!


      1. Ingvar 72 15 January 2020 13: 32 New
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        Do you want to live - know how to spin! bully
  • frizzy 15 January 2020 13: 05 New
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    And what is there to think about. We will deliver to the port of Vitebsk across the Caspian Sea. We will take the transport for ourselves. We will not abandon the brothers !!!!
  • stepka_razin 15 January 2020 13: 06 New
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    Wow, we are already trying to sell Belarus at prices above world prices, but funny)
    1. carstorm 11 15 January 2020 13: 10 New
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      it’s so strange they just think. taking into account transportation from Kazakhstan, it basically can’t be any cheaper than ours) the game to the public continues. and above the world it also cannot be elementary due to the fact that oil goes to Belarus without duties.
      1. stepka_razin 15 January 2020 13: 12 New
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        it’s so strange they just think. taking into account transportation from Kazakhstan, it basically can’t be any cheaper than ours) the game to the public continues

        Well, well, the stories that someone buys something at a loss is certainly good, but they have little faith)
        1. carstorm 11 15 January 2020 13: 13 New
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          and someone sold or bought something?)))
          1. stepka_razin 15 January 2020 13: 14 New
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            and someone sold or bought something?)))

            Buy, you doubt it? Well, so you can not doubt)))
            You can still raise then a transfer from Europe will be advantageous to buy, but this is at the discretion of Moscow)
            1. carstorm 11 15 January 2020 13: 18 New
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              yeah) elementary algebra and geography apparently are not available to you?))) or don’t you understand what the bargaining is for?))) this is called creating inflated competitors. delivery of the necessary RBs 24 million tons per year from Kazakhstan or from the Russian Federation as you think is cheaper) and there and here everyone has understood these games for a long time. Old Man raises rates to say that you see, we are already agreeing only to consider that everyone knows how to be worse than him)
              1. stepka_razin 15 January 2020 13: 21 New
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                Cheaper, well, voice the price from the Russian Federation and Kazakhstan, otherwise your elementary algebra is lame)
                1. carstorm 11 15 January 2020 13: 24 New
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                  everything is fine with mine. I remember very well how they tried to buy oil from Azerbaijan. eventually overpaid almost half a billion dollars a year) new races for the sake of God)
                  1. stepka_razin 15 January 2020 13: 26 New
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                    show you the exchange oil prices or open Yandex yourself for example?)

                    To me are real on which RB will sell the Russian Federation and Kazakhstan, and the exchange ones you can see for yourself how much you want)
                    1. carstorm 11 15 January 2020 13: 36 New
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                      okay) to convince a person who does not even understand what the price is somehow troublesome) the Internet will help you
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            Fat 15 January 2020 14: 27 New
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            Quote: carstorm 11
            and someone sold or bought something?)))

            Yes, no .. It’s just that oil from Russia is so bad and expensive that it’s more difficult to convert it into products that are profitable for the budget of Belarus at existing refineries in Belarus ... It’s special if you don’t invest anything in the refinery)))
            You might think that Kazakh oil is better than Urals.
            So the Urals at least under brent lift up.
      2. Karaul73 15 January 2020 14: 17 New
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        And if Belarus nevertheless purchases oil from Kazakhs, then what will you say? No one will work at a loss.
        1. Olezhek 15 January 2020 14: 52 New
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          And if Belarus nevertheless purchases oil from Kazakhs, then what will you say?


          Already said - a flag in hand! Officially
          the full right of sovereign Belarusians.

          A delusional dispute in general - deliveries of oil to Belarus at prices below the market - this is like an implicit form of sponsoring "friends"
          But if a friend is suddenly
          And not a friend or an enemy, but ... sad

          Here you have a commercial price tag.

          Here father and howled ...
    2. Vasyan1971 15 January 2020 13: 19 New
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      Wow, we are already trying to sell Belarus at prices above world prices, but funny)

      In Belarus, they believe that these prices will now be higher than world prices.

      https://yandex.ru/turbo?text=https%3A%2F%2Fregnum.ru%2Fnews%2F2824156.html
    3. Fat
      Fat 15 January 2020 13: 25 New
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      Quote: stepka_razin
      Wow, we are already trying to sell Belarus at prices above world prices, but funny)

      Alas. Not funny. Belarus re-export of oil is becoming difficult. Belarusian oil is becoming more expensive than world price tags. Well, they have a lot of options for re-export ... Let them do it, maybe they will find a profit somewhere on the Andaman Islands for example.
      What kind of fashion is this at all?
      Minsk is losing its budget, so Moscow is to blame.
      As in some, and in other shorts, Chanel does not smell ...
    4. x.andvlad 15 January 2020 13: 28 New
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      Wow, we are already trying to sell Belarus at prices above world prices, but funny)

      It is not funny that our oil businessmen are ready to rip off everyone, from their population to their allies. They see whether you have no profitability. Yesterday was, but not today. Inflation, see, whether.
      And all the inflation in their brains, immense greed, which does not give them peace, due to lack of dough for the Forbes list!
      And the state condones them.
  • Vasyan1971 15 January 2020 13: 10 New
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    The exact route that oil can go from Kazakhstan to Belarus has not yet been reported.

    By the sea, of course. The main thing is not to unravel the shrimp along the road!
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      Quote: Vasyan1971
      By the sea, of course. The main thing is not to unravel the shrimp along the road!

      Do you think railway is not fate?
      Here everyone dreams of transit of goods from China and Korea to Europe by rail through Russia. And in this case, the route is much shorter. Why not?
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    Belarus was clamped on both sides, and who will benefit from this: Russia? or WEST? Do not go over the DUBIN.
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      Belarus is initially at a disadvantage between a rock and a hard place, and sooner or later it will be crushed
    2. LiSiCyn 15 January 2020 13: 36 New
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      Probably the time has come to CHOOSE ....
      Quote: DPN
      Clamped Belarus from two sides

      Quote: DPN
      Do not go over the DUBIN.

      Stick ... wink
    3. Olezhek 15 January 2020 15: 04 New
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      Belarus was clamped on both sides, and who will benefit from this: Russia? or WEST? Do not go over the DUBIN


      There is no strategic scope for Lukashism?

      .
  • frizzy 15 January 2020 13: 13 New
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    Ukrainians have thrown Belarusians now throw what are you for the Russian people?
    1. x.andvlad 15 January 2020 13: 18 New
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      Nobody threw Ukrainians. Bandera’s leadership set the Ukrainians with cancer.
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        Not without your participation ...
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          We considered this to be the internal affairs of Ukraine. If we intervened, then in Belarus (and not only) we would yell about the terrible "Russian imperialism". They still invite us to war, but we are not ...
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      We dated Ukrainians at $ 400 billion, Belarus - at $ 120 billion. So here we are bad.
      1. cat Rusich 15 January 2020 19: 54 New
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        Do not forget "three rubles Yanukovych sad "- they gave for 3 (three) years in 2013, and today 2020 -" ... where is the "Zin treshka? ..." what
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          Do not forget "three rubles Yanukovych sad "- they gave for 3 (three) years in 2013, and today 2020 -" ... where is the "Zin treshka? ..." what

          Perhaps somewhere in the country near Rostov? Or even in which apartment they are stacked in cubes.
    4. Nikolai Grek 16 January 2020 01: 35 New
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      Quote: frizzy
      Ukrainians have thrown Belarusians now throw what are you for the Russian people?

      you yourself what nations will you be ?! !! wassat
      1. Hunter 2 16 January 2020 01: 46 New
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        Hail Nicholas! hi He is a foundling, without a clan and a tribe! Sent to the VO - to conduct subversive activities ... the intruder in general! drinks
        1. Nikolai Grek 16 January 2020 01: 48 New
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          Hail Nicholas! hi He is a foundling, without a clan and a tribe! Sent to the VO - to conduct subversive activities ... the intruder in general! drinks

          kind!!! drinks hi he can undermine his current !! wassat
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            Well, Duck, look at his Comments ... dancing on a rake is a favorite pastime ... maybe what hurts? belay
            1. Nikolai Grek 16 January 2020 02: 57 New
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              Quote: Hunter 2
              Well, Duck, look at his Comments ... dancing on a rake is a favorite pastime ... maybe what hurts? belay

              what to look at him ... is it really something different from the all-local proponents ??? lol
              1. Hunter 2 16 January 2020 03: 09 New
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                This "special" case - he simply hates Russia! Selflessly and to the depths ...
                I don’t understand how - knowing Language, History, Culture - Our ... can you be so stubborn?
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                  This "special" case - he simply hates Russia! Selflessly and to the depths ...
                  I don’t understand how knowing Language, History, Culture - Our ... can you be so stubborn?

                  wassat Yes, here these others in their hatred of RYZHYMU do not see how they began to hate Russia !!! wink wassat
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                    I was surprised more by another ... Everything just came out hysterically - The Government is in Retirement !!!
                    Resignation ... Now hysteria - Tricky plan, again deceived! laughing
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                      Quote: Hunter 2
                      I was surprised more by another ... Everything just came out hysterically - The Government is in Retirement !!!
                      Resignation ... Now hysteria - Tricky plan, again deceived! laughing

                      but I knew that they would pervert any thing in their direction ... well ... and so that they could rivet a bunch of comments under another "military article" on a "military resource !!!" wassat lol
                      1. Hunter 2 16 January 2020 03: 28 New
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                        Duck here the characters are full of which in these articles and climbs ... they are military articles - uninteresting!
                        They need to dive. They need to tell how they live badly ... but why will it be good - if you don’t break away from the computer? Question - Have you tried to work ??? ends with silence and minus request
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                        Quote: Hunter 2
                        Duck here the characters are full of which in these articles and climbs ... they are military articles - uninteresting!
                        They need to dive. They need to tell how they live badly ... but why will it be good - if you don’t break away from the computer? Question - Have you tried to work ??? ends with silence and minus request

                        I tyayayayayayayaya begging yayayayayu ... they and under a military article they manage to rivet, as here ... the main thing in the beginning, the comment about Putin to rivet !!! laughing
                      3. Hunter 2 16 January 2020 03: 39 New
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                        100% infa, I’ll throw off a couple of Bots in a personal - there’s not just one Army or Navy commentary, there’s not just one comment - Joyful, only tears and snot! hi
  • Operator 15 January 2020 13: 19 New
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    Market prices - understandably, and world prices - what kind of beast? laughing
    1. Not served 15 January 2020 13: 36 New
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      The price of oil inside Russia is formed mainly on the basis of NetBack from Urals quotes on the Roterdam Exchange, and on the basis of these quotes a tax scheme has been built to pay mineral extraction tax and export duties. Formulas are directly attached to them.
  • Not served 15 January 2020 13: 33 New
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    In Kazakhstan in 1979, two “billionaires” were discovered: Karachaganak and Tengiz. So there is oil in Kazakhstan. And not only these fields.
    Tariffs for pumping oil or transportation w / d are equal for everyone.
    It’s just that out of this tax maneuver, basically because of Belarus, the whole oil industry of Russia is now cancer. The bottom line is that in our country it makes no sense to invest in processing at all, it essentially works at a loss for many enterprises.
    Belarus is not negotiating with oil companies in Russia, but with the government, and why? Yes, because they beg for preferences for duties and benefits. In fact, they want to buy oil below market prices within Russia.
  • Operator 15 January 2020 13: 37 New
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    Quote: Not served
    at the Rotterdam Stock Exchange

    This is the market price.
  • Naive 15 January 2020 13: 50 New
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    Oh heavily non-declining ...
  • cherkas.oe 15 January 2020 14: 00 New
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    As today's youth says: - "Late rush." It is a pity that the personal Wishlist benefits of the Belarusian Sumera will affect the welfare of the entire people of Belarus.
  • GenNick 15 January 2020 14: 02 New
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    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
    Caspian Sea

    Logistics of supplies is incomprehensible. request

    That's why on VO and plans you are building ...
    But, as I understand it, adults have gathered here, well, with a few exceptions. This is what the strategic mistake of the Government of the Republic of Belarus is that all these years oil / gas was purchased only in the Russian Federation. Why? -schema is old: to accustom to a cheap price, well, and then the price tag can be poured ,, above the Sun '', like, well, where are you going to get to?
    And the most interesting, name the prices which you can’t agree on. Secret !!!!, what else ...
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      why? -schema is old: to accustom to a cheap price, well, and then the price tag can be poured ,, above the Sun '', like, well, where are you going to get to?


      Belarus is stupidly insolvent.
      According to this scheme, it makes sense to work with rich countries
      but who will give you?
      1. Karen 15 January 2020 16: 39 New
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        Belarus will supply fuel to Azerbaijan, not today, so tomorrow ... In exchange for weapons + "well, for mutual understanding" ...
    2. Mordvin 3 15 January 2020 14: 18 New
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      Quote: GenNick
      And the most interesting, name the prices which you can’t agree on. Secret !!!!, what else ...

      Yeah. By the way, I have a question for you. If on my Ocean receiver the stamp is April 81st, and May 81st on the tuning indicator, then when was it about to be released?
      1. GenNick 15 January 2020 14: 57 New
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        December 31, 1981 ...
  • marshes 15 January 2020 14: 03 New
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    So, at the expense of free oil in Kazakhstan, it with the Abundance, due to Opek, had to reduce production and preserve a number of old wells.
    Think about Kazakhstan. About 17 mini-refineries worked before the intervention of the National Security Committee, where they processed stolen oil from pipelines and boreholes, the factory costs from 4 Lyamov Baku.
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      Where will the oil be free if custody + is still valid
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        Quote: Kamikadze19
        Where will the oil be free if custody + is still valid

        So OPEC regulates the volume of oil exported and not for domestic consumption, if the EAEU market is considered to be internal, all the more there are completely different agreements, including not to climb into a clearing, like Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, the situation is different here.
  • Finn 15 January 2020 14: 06 New
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    Market prices - understandably, and world prices - what kind of beast? laughing

    And I wonder what kind of world it is ....
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    If anything - the tariff for pumping through the territory of the Russian Federation is equal to the one that Father installed ...
  • Ru_Na 15 January 2020 14: 25 New
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    Kazakhs, to put it mildly, sent Belarusians! Of course, they can transport oil, but:
    1. Through ports, but then its cost will be higher than Russian.
    2. Through the Atyrau-Samara pipeline, but here everything depends on Russia's consent to provide additional capacities for oil transportation.
    And it is unlikely that Kazakhstan will have excess oil for Minsk.
    1. Olezhek 15 January 2020 14: 48 New
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      And it is unlikely that Kazakhstan will have excess oil for Minsk.


      And here it is - how much does it have in Kazakhstan and not in foreign mega-concerns?
      Does she even exist? Free?
    2. Galina schreder 16 January 2020 17: 05 New
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      And what ports in Kazakhstan do you know ?? And where from these ports can you swim?
  • xomaNN 15 January 2020 14: 41 New
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    When business partners conduct business negotiations, they try not to reflect tongue And if "father", as a politician, wants to force the Russian Federation to lower the price of growth. oil for Belarus is where the “stuffing” in the media begins.

    "UK .. R. scheme" - checked! hi
  • anjey 15 January 2020 14: 50 New
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    For this, the Belarusian delegation will arrive in this Central Asian country on January 20.
    The more independence the sometimes closer to absurdity and petty blackmail, where were you before the sabers, since Kazakhstan is closer and more profitable to you, you just can't believe that once it was one big country and there was one, soviet and not always bad, order for all laughing
  • Strashila 15 January 2020 14: 54 New
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    Classic ... overseas heifer half, yes transport rupe.
    Everything is counted ... ship the oranges in the barrels of the Karamazov brothers.
  • axiles100682 15 January 2020 15: 00 New
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    In general, in vain Belarusians occupies the Russian Federation. No matter how ally the state
  • Olezhek 15 January 2020 15: 09 New
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    Belarus sent proposals for the purchase of oil "to all possible countries"
    https://nn.by/?c=ar&i=244398&lang=ru


    Nokia / Reply
    14.01.2020 / 17: 47
    Tanker swim)))
    https://nn.by/?c=ar&i=244398&lang=ru


    Hooray! The tanker is sailing! Glory to Zmagram! wassat
  • Alexey from Perm 15 January 2020 15: 19 New
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    Well, in general, of course, our government has a strange policy ..
  • 32363 15 January 2020 15: 29 New
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    in Venezuela it is necessary to take gasoline there cheaper than water, flooded the tanker and drove to the house.
  • Genak 15 January 2020 15: 41 New
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    Well, Belarus will abandon Russian oil, quickly, in about 10 years, they will build an oil pipeline, and for the time being they will ride on horses, although I can’t imagine how cheap it is to deliver oil from Kazakhstan bypassing Russia.

    Probably oil is not produced on Red Square, at least look at the globe.
  • Kamikadze19 15 January 2020 15: 55 New
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    Sednya read an article that RB bought oil from Russian oil companies for a price of 87% of world value. They said that it’s expensive, they refused.
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    Old Man just shows off. Anyone who is even remotely familiar with oil refining understands that oil refineries are being built under a specific brand of oil. Those. to load heavy sour oil into a plant designed for light low sour and, conversely, it will not work.
  • Oyo Sarkazmi 15 January 2020 16: 35 New
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    Gee. Where will Old Man find fools to sell him oil CHEAPER than world prices?
    After all, the problem is precisely that - from domestic prices, Belarus is transferred to world prices. Therefore, I bought_cheap-sold_ by_ the world does not pass anymore. Old man stuffed.
  • senima56 15 January 2020 17: 00 New
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    “In Kazakhstan they answer that the deal will be completed only if it is economically beneficial for Kazakhstan.” - you look, what did you want ?! It is important for Minsk that the deal is beneficial for Old Man! wassat
  • Ros 56 15 January 2020 17: 34 New
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    And Luka will carry oil by tankers, so the Kazakhs have ports only in the Caspian Sea or in tanks through all of Russia. So there he lifted up some kind of price for our export to Europe, ours will recoup. What does Luke really want? and eat fish and don’t choke on bone, but it doesn’t. Everything in this world has its price, including the wishes of the unholy Luke.
  • Losharik 15 January 2020 18: 42 New
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    Yeah, Old Man again freaks started .. Stop talking already! Already accustomed to crab their own catch in Russia to supply and re-export oil? Well, maybe enough to be foolish .. Will Kazakhs deliver oil to you by air?
    Ever talk to Lukashenko, I’ve got everyone already ..
    1. krillon 15 January 2020 19: 17 New
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      But how many brothers quarreled borrowing money. Want to lose a friend, lend him money. As we see, this is also relevant for states.
  • Mentat 15 January 2020 18: 59 New
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    Well, for the “non-brothers”, transit has somehow become more profitable.

    Actually, I didn’t. Because the volume of transit has sharply decreased.
  • Mentat 15 January 2020 19: 01 New
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    Quote: Vadim02rus
    For the same for which Kazakh oil is in the Russian Federation. And back gasoline from the Russian Federation is cheaper than for Russians, "you understand."

    Already cited a number of links with articles explaining the situation with gas prices in Kazakhstan, including from Kazakh sites.

    However, you all know very well, but your line is clear: everything in Russia is bad.
  • Victor March 47 15 January 2020 19: 16 New
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    Quote: marshes
    Quote: Vadim02rus
    For the same for which Kazakh oil is in the Russian Federation. And back gasoline from the Russian Federation is cheaper than for Russians, "you understand."

    The import of petroleum products to Kazakhstan from Russia has been banned for already a year. In Kazakhstan, they don’t know where to put their gas.

    There was a time when we had a lot of moonshine in Chechnya and they also had nothing to do with their gas. But from the quality of this moonshine, the engines wedged already in the second hour of work. So that, .....
  • Victor March 47 15 January 2020 19: 24 New
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    And it is unlikely that Kazakhstan will have excess oil for Minsk.

    It is unlikely that Kazakhstan will quarrel with Russia over this lousy dough. Not so much money to ...
  • Mentat 15 January 2020 19: 54 New
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    Wow, we are already trying to sell Belarus at prices above world prices, but funny)

    It is not funny that our oil businessmen are ready to rip off everyone, from their population to their allies. They see whether you have no profitability. Yesterday was, but not today. Inflation, see, whether.
    And all the inflation in their brains, immense greed, which does not give them peace, due to lack of dough for the Forbes list!
    And the state condones them.

    What other muti do you write? It is perfectly understandable why the price of oil rises. It is not clear - give yourself labor and first sort it out. But it is imperative to blurt out about the oligarchs, bad Russia, tear off. Whose mill are you pouring water on, doesn’t it matter by ignorance, stupidity or intent?
  • cat Rusich 15 January 2020 20: 16 New
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    Cheap oil from Kazakhstan to Belarus can be delivered through diplomatic mail via diplomatic mail wink
  • Finn 15 January 2020 21: 56 New
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    No, not Poles, but Jen Psaki sent 6 US fleets to the coast of Belarus hi

    Thank. I forgot.
  • Kerensky 15 January 2020 22: 12 New
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    Oil is not only gasoline, but also a number of oil products. Oils, for example ...
    If Kazakhstan agrees with Russia, then Belarus can also agree with Kazakhstan. There will be a muddy little scheme, but there will be Russian oil in the pipe ..
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    It is surprising how else Belarusian scientists, by order of the Old Man, had not thought of producing oil from the bulb?
    It’s somehow better to breed shrimps and lobsters in Belarusian swamps (:
  • LeonidL 16 January 2020 04: 17 New
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    "Kazakhstan responds that the deal will be completed only if it is economically beneficial for Kazakhstan."- The freebie is over, dad!
  • VicktorVR 16 January 2020 11: 08 New
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    Well, let them look for cheaper prices below world prices.
  • Olya Tsako 16 January 2020 11: 34 New
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    Finally, someone was tired, through, of our strategic ally and brother Lukashenko for 6 years in a row to support the fuel and lubricants of the Bandera-NATO army of Ukraine that kills Russians.
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    Do not forget "three rubles Yanukovych sad "- they gave for 3 (three) years in 2013, and today 2020 -" ... where is the "Zin treshka? ..." what

    Soon there will be a court on the next appeal. And the interest is dropping
  • Pilat2009 16 January 2020 13: 29 New
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    Quote: Mentat
    Quote: Vadim02rus
    Well, for the “non-brothers”, transit has somehow become more profitable.

    Actually, I didn’t. Because the volume of transit has sharply decreased.

    The volume of transit is specified in the new contract, and if Gazprom pumps less, then the money will not be returned
    1. Galina schreder 16 January 2020 16: 58 New
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      Why should Gazprom download less ?? Yes, and much less. And so 40 billion cubic meters per year in total. Earlier in Ukraine, they received 3,5 to 4 billion dollars a year for transit, but now in 5 years there will be only 7 billion dollars
  • Alexander I 16 January 2020 14: 35 New
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    Will agree
  • Galina schreder 16 January 2020 16: 56 New
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    Well, agreeing with Kazakhstan is still half the battle. Will have to negotiate with Russia about transit
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    But father: "that is, how is this - the deal will be completed only if it is economically profitable for Kazakhstan?!? You just give us oil! And I’ll promise you something for it there! But what if it does?";)
  • Victor Orthodox 17 January 2020 04: 25 New
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    Since nobody wants to supply oil to Belarus, the Old Man means that the price is too low.
  • Operator s 17 January 2020 09: 12 New
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    Correctly!!! It is necessary to raise prices for Belarus ... for everything .. And then it’s not African countries, Syria, Cuba ... everything should be done there ... and it is desirable for nothing ... Loans were forgiven to everyone except Belarus .. why Russia Belarus ?
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      In the skill of losing friends and creating enemies, we have surpassed ourselves.