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The US said that none of the two IRGC missiles could immediately bring down a Ukrainian airliner

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The US said that none of the two IRGC missiles could immediately bring down a Ukrainian airliner

It is noteworthy, but it is the American media that publish not only the complete chronology of the launch of a missile attack on a Ukrainian airliner near Tehran, but also present more and more personnel with the delivery of such an attack by the Iranian calculation of an air defense system. The New York Times newspaper shows the greatest information activity in this regard. A new video recording with the launch of rockets appeared on the Internet resource of this particular publication, and then was circulated on the network with the words that it had been published by a certain “Iranian user”.


What else did the American media reporters know about that tragic incident?

The material says that the video was recorded from the roof of one of the buildings in the suburbs of the Iranian capital - Bidkane village. On the roof there was a surveillance camera. It is about 6 km from the airport.

It is noted that missiles at the Ukrainian Boeing were fired at intervals of about half a minute. The point of launch of anti-aircraft missiles, writes NYT, was the "secret military base of the IRGC." Moreover, it is so “secret” that NYT even knows the exact location: “about 8 miles (12,87 km) from the plane.” It has not been noted whether height is taken into account or it is a question of a horizontal distance only. Recall that at the time the transponder was turned off, the aircraft was at an altitude of about 2,4 km.



A noteworthy statement in the American press:

As it turns out, not one of the missiles was able to bring down the plane immediately. He stayed in flight for about 60 seconds, and only after that he caught fire and began to fall.

It is further alleged that the aircraft’s transponder did not stop working immediately, but about 20 seconds after the first missile strike. That is, if you follow the proposed chronology, the shutdown occurred about 10 seconds before the second anti-aircraft missile strike.
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  1. Scoun
    Scoun 15 January 2020 06: 27
    +24
    A muddy story. All this can be just a tool in someone's "game".
    1. maidan.izrailovich
      maidan.izrailovich 15 January 2020 07: 17
      -14
      A muddy story.

      Just the opposite. Clearer than clear.
      US intelligence agencies outplayed their counterparts from Iran.
      Naturally, the Americans will not talk about it openly. But you want to show the world your skills (power). That is hinted in every way.
      Russian intelligence agencies should draw conclusions from the mistakes of others.
      1. Dmitry Donskoy
        Dmitry Donskoy 15 January 2020 10: 11
        +6
        I also think that this is someone's muddy game. "Just after Boeing, everyone immediately forgot about the attack on air bases with Iranian missiles. It feels like a chess game is going on, where the moves are thought out much forward. feel
        1. volodimer
          volodimer 15 January 2020 18: 31
          0
          My opinion about the Kursk tragedy is that we accepted the "conditions of the game" and for the sake of .. "preserving the world" and announced the version of the explosion of its own torpedo, now Iran, for some of its own purposes, has adopted the version of the TOP ... Ukrainian Boeing was chosen with very "successful" trains of passengers.
          Conspirology? Perhaps, but IMHO has the right to be.
          1. Bshkaus
            Bshkaus 15 January 2020 19: 45
            +3
            for the sake of .. "preserving the world" and announced the version of the explosion of their own torpedo

            Based on your "logic", you want to say that our Navy group with a heavy missile cruiser, several anti-submarine ships and a submarine, not counting anti-submarine aircraft, could not detect enemy submarines in their positional area, slept through the launch of a torpedo and, most importantly, did not undertake defensive countermeasures?
            This version is completely stupid, I don’t even know how else to say softer, if you are talking about a collision, then it is not easy from hour to hour from the blindness of our fleet.
            1. volodimer
              volodimer 15 January 2020 20: 00
              0
              I do not impose this version on you, but the destruction of the Kursk's bow is somewhat strange. An explanation that they could not raise this cunning.
              could not detect enemy submarines in their position area

              He did not say such a thing.
              overslept the launch of the torpedo and most importantly did not take defensive countermeasures

              That's why they overslept, they knew that they were walking, watching ... but they didn’t expect such meanness
              Again, this is my opinion, yours I also understood.
              1. dvina71
                dvina71 15 January 2020 21: 14
                -1
                Quote: volodimer
                I don't impose this version on you, but the destruction of the Kursk's bow

                Torpedoes do not explode on the hull of the boat, but at a distance from it .. One torpedo of such a nuclear submarine as Kursk is not enough, it also shoots after that ..
                Take a close look at the photo of the boat hull in the dock .. there are no bulkheads even where the hull is not destroyed. My friend, he served as a signalman in Kursk .. they were taken to the dock .. he found his "office" .. which, during his service, was almost two meters wide and packed with equipment .. so the distance from wall to wall did not exceed 15cm .. Is this all from a torpedo explosion?
                Enough to make nonsense about the attack of Kursk .. it was a pure technological disaster, the foundation of which was laid by the EBN .. who directly ordered Kursk to be part of the fleet, although the military refused to accept it ..
                So for reference .. the batteries there were not new .., from a recycled boat ..


                Press stop for 45 seconds and carefully examine the hull of the boat and compare it with

                stop at 10.27 ..
                The cause of the explosion is not compliance with safety regulations when charging batteries.
                1. volodimer
                  volodimer 15 January 2020 21: 25
                  -1
                  Your opinion, you are not a member of the Kursk crew. These video materials were not shot on the Kursk submarine and cannot be evidence of non-compliance with the safety requirements on it.
                  1. dvina71
                    dvina71 15 January 2020 21: 29
                    +2
                    Quote: volodimer
                    Your opinion

                    Are you a crew member? You so easily imagine them as suckers who scored on duty, did not find an enemy boat approaching, missed the launch on their own. You didn’t shoot the LC and did not even change course ..
                    Come and say it to those who served on this boat and to the relatives of the victims.
                    1. volodimer
                      volodimer 15 January 2020 21: 39
                      0
                      No, for this I wrote above that I do not impose my opinion on anyone, and I do not think that there were suckers who
                      they scored for service, did not find the enemy’s approaching boat, missed the launch on their own. did not shoot the LC and did not even change course

                      If it was not immediately clear, then our people knew that a probable PARTNER was watching our teachings, and therefore they did not observe a sufficient level of secrecy. After all, the partner ... we have nothing to hide. And therefore they did not expect that the partner would suddenly vyzhinetsya so.
                      1. dvina71
                        dvina71 15 January 2020 21: 43
                        +2
                        Quote: volodimer
                        that a probable PARTNER is observing our teachings,

                        Yeah ... directly at the Kursk ... Then you also think the surface watermen are the same ...
                        Just tell me ... why are you not comfortable with the technogenic version?
                      2. krot
                        krot 16 January 2020 17: 58
                        0
                        The United States, as always, is dancing on the bones.
                    2. volodimer
                      volodimer 15 January 2020 21: 43
                      0
                      According to Kursk, I will no longer discuss, not that topic. hi
                    3. Bshkaus
                      Bshkaus 16 January 2020 08: 59
                      +1
                      You so easily imagine them as suckers who scored on duty, did not find an enemy boat approaching, missed the launch on their own. You didn’t shoot the LC and did not even change course ..

                      If the USA did not exist, then they would have to be invented, because The United States is to blame for all Russian troubles, and it doesn’t matter if the nuclear submarine is dead or someone wrote an incomprehensible formula on the fence with two unknown Xs and a game connected by an incomprehensible mathematical sign.
                      Come and say it to those who served on this boat and to the relatives of the victims.

                      A double-edged sword, and if the peroxide torpedo really wailed, how to explain to the family that their dead husbands were incompetent? (((Or how to admit that the training service suffered?
              2. Bshkaus
                Bshkaus 15 January 2020 22: 21
                +1
                Again, this is my opinion, yours I also understood.

                I have always said and say that a good discussion is much more interesting than the banal "myself".)))
                the destruction of the Kursk's bow is somewhat strange

                And what’s strange, here I’m just agreeing, I noticed the traces, but somehow, our opinions differ.
                but they didn’t expect such meanness

                Of course, I’m not a naval officer, but in my opinion, the submarine commander has a number of clear settings for the algorithm of action during a surprise attack.
                He did not say such a thing.

                No rumor, but if your version is correct, then the conclusions are correct that a whole order of ships, including the TARK "Peter the Great" and several anti-submarine ships, did not notice the nuclear submarine.
                I sincerely do not believe it, and if so, then our fleet is not worth the splash of waves crashing on board the ships.
            2. sannyomd
              sannyomd 16 January 2020 01: 06
              0
              There are actually a lot of white spots that, for the peace of the people, were painted in the right colors. And how it really was, only those who never tell anyone will know.
            3. starik80
              starik80 16 January 2020 09: 01
              0
              As everything is accurately described in the first paragraph, sloppiness is everywhere, it is still present: "And the priest hoped for our Russian maybe".
              They did not find and did not take .... that's right.
    2. knn54
      knn54 15 January 2020 10: 07
      +1
      It turns out that it is possible to install jammers in the area of ​​the radar station (at a certain distance, of course) and turn it on at "x" hour. Well, for reliability, next to calculations with MANPADS.
      And ALL civilian aircraft will have to install LTC systems.
      Anxious, however.
      And one moment, the speed of the airliner gaining height is clearly lower than that of an adversary rocket.
      1. cost
        cost 15 January 2020 11: 02
        +8
        The US said that none of the two IRGC missiles could immediately bring down a Ukrainian airliner
        Because he is a Boeing. The most reliable and non-wrecking aircraft in the world. fellow This is in the United States, apparently for advertising purposes. yes
  2. bessmertniy
    bessmertniy 15 January 2020 06: 31
    +13
    What is this for? That the Americans could destroy this Boeing in one second? what And with one rocket? what recourse feel They will probably also show how to do this ... sad
    1. 5-9
      5-9 15 January 2020 09: 40
      +2
      In 1988, they kind of got it ...
  3. viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 15 January 2020 06: 35
    +41
    Judging by the laid out video, the presence of a precisely directed camera, the presence of an operator with the muzzle turned in the right direction + the viewing angle chosen very well ... only white bearded helmets as a dance are lacking ... I am tormented by very vague doubts about where producer ???
    1. Pecheneg
      Pecheneg 15 January 2020 06: 39
      +9
      Similar thoughts visited me. Not everything is as simple as it seems.
      1. SSR
        SSR 15 January 2020 06: 51
        +8
        Quote: Pecheneg
        Similar thoughts visited me. Not everything is as simple as it seems.

        The board is foreign, Ukrainian, the passengers are mostly local. The USA will dance as they order. Iran will also figure it out with its citizens and maybe the IRGC will squeeze a little under the guise, especially since Suleimani was eliminated by US forces. Somehow deliberately all the "stars" converged.
        Quote: Scoun
        A muddy story.
      2. sannyomd
        sannyomd 16 January 2020 01: 21
        +1
        Plus, the same thoughts arose when viewing.
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      1. letinant
        letinant 15 January 2020 07: 02
        +12
        Then how did she (the record) get to the ops first? I am personally confused by the angular change in the coordinates of the rocket. I saw how the "TOR" shoots, but here it looks more like MANPADS.
        1. tlauicol
          tlauicol 15 January 2020 07: 23
          -20
          Quote: letinant
          Then how did she (the record) get to the ops first? I am personally confused by the angular change in the coordinates of the rocket. I saw how the "TOR" shoots, but here it looks more like MANPADS.

          because the Iranians forbid to publish such things, for which they arrested the poor man. did not let hush
          1. letinant
            letinant 15 January 2020 07: 31
            +6
            That is why they left a record and not destroyed or seized. You yourself are not funny, your version !?
            1. tlauicol
              tlauicol 15 January 2020 07: 37
              -12
              Quote: letinant
              That is why they left a record and not destroyed or seized. You yourself are not funny, your version !?

              the dude’s record has already gone on the Internet, CCIR recordings are also not the IRGC posted there. Now these guys will get from the parking lot.

              while only hamsters put forward funny versions here, and you are being fooled
              1. letinant
                letinant 15 January 2020 08: 17
                +2
                Quote: Tlauicol
                Quote: letinant
                That is why they left a record and not destroyed or seized. You yourself are not funny, your version !?

                the dude’s record has already gone on the Internet, CCIR recordings are also not the IRGC posted there. Now these guys will get from the parking lot.

                while only hamsters put forward funny versions here, and you are being fooled

                Answer why in the USA?
                1. tlauicol
                  tlauicol 15 January 2020 09: 03
                  0
                  to the Internet ! What does the USA have to do with it?
                  on our forums only the lazy one does not like a second-to-second analysis with flight schedules and flights. heights, 3D terrain maps, etc. and you only see the usa conspiracy
                  1. letinant
                    letinant 15 January 2020 09: 56
                    0
                    Are you inexhaustible at all !? Who else showed her ?!
        2. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 15 January 2020 07: 25
          -10
          Quote: letinant
          Then how did she (the record) first appear in the ovs? .

          All the intelligence and residencies of the world now roam in Tehran for all possible options.
          And the location of surveillance cameras is one of the most important topics for intelligence.
          And now they know. where and what cameras are - found the opportunity to buy this record / steal / and other options
        3. Vladimir_6
          Vladimir_6 15 January 2020 08: 33
          +3
          Quote: letinant
          I saw how the "TOR" shoots, but here it looks more like MANPADS.

          The height for MANPADS is just acceptable. And the "secret" base was located in close proximity to the airport.
          But then it is not clear why the Iranian authorities hurried to take responsibility.
        4. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 15 January 2020 08: 49
          +6
          I saw how the "TOR" shoots, but here it looks more like MANPADS ... judging by the video it is MANPADS, or the Strela-10 self-propelled gun, you can see the characteristic yaw of the MANPADS missile, at Osa and Toros, the missiles go straight ahead
      2. madsollo
        madsollo 15 January 2020 07: 10
        +10
        Didn't you find some twitching of the "stationary" camera very strange? Or is it on a tripod?
        1. letinant
          letinant 15 January 2020 07: 34
          +6
          Now I watched the night shooting of "TOR", I am tormented by vague questions. Well, not the same flight path, the height above the houses.
        2. Oleg_p
          Oleg_p 15 January 2020 09: 05
          +5
          Take a closer look - the phone twitches, which is removed from the monitor, and the video is already shown on it. In the upper right corner of the numbers are time and so on. They twitch along with the image.
      3. Piramidon
        Piramidon 15 January 2020 11: 47
        -1
        Quote: Jack O'Neill
        On the roof and was a surveillance camera

        The question arises - whose camera is this (the Yankees quickly got a record from it) and what (by whom) should she be watching from the roof? It seems that all this was prepared in advance.
    3. viking1703
      viking1703 15 January 2020 07: 40
      -27
      stop looking everywhere for world conspiracies. aren't you tired yet? screwed Iranians themselves admitted it !!!! all point.
      1. Oleg_p
        Oleg_p 15 January 2020 09: 23
        +1
        Iranians agree. Although it would be more accurate to say - "Persians". But are they the only ones? Where did the plane come from in the "zone of a secret military facility"? How many planes fly from Tehran airport towards Europe per day? Looked at the search engine, there are several boards for an hour. What was the first time an airplane saw an airplane in a protected area? If so, where did the flight on the uncoordinated route come from? And the responsible officials would immediately howl: "if you break it - get it!" And if the necessary plane was "counted", then in general the logic is difficult to explain. As in the case of MH17.
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 15 January 2020 13: 20
        +3
        Why immediately world? We are just discussing the actions of the world gangster, we have the right to it.
      3. Mik1701
        Mik1701 16 January 2020 20: 59
        0
        Thank God that it was not a Russian liner.
    4. orionvitt
      orionvitt 15 January 2020 12: 23
      +1
      Quote: viktor_ui
      Even judging by the posted video, the presence of a precisely directed camera

      And this "surveillance camera" has shaking hands. Indeed, where is the director?
  4. Thrifty
    Thrifty 15 January 2020 06: 46
    +14
    That is, it is possible that the Persians really fired rockets at another drone, which was covered by a civilian side! As it is familiar, it already happened like that, only there a fighter of one country hid behind our plane. ....
    1. viking1703
      viking1703 15 January 2020 07: 42
      -23
      you and people like you are not quite adequate people. they themselves invented something (drones, an Israeli airliner, aliens, etc.), and then you believe in it and zealously prove it. there was nobody there, just the Iranians got into a mess. all!
  5. pru-pavel
    pru-pavel 15 January 2020 06: 50
    +1
    Everything was filmed in Hollywood pavilions in the Nevada deserts by Wall Kubrick, obviously.
    And yes.
    There are clearly sticking star-striped six-pointed ears.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 15 January 2020 08: 36
      0
      Quote: pru-pavel
      Everything was filmed in Hollywood pavilions in the Nevada deserts by Wall Kubrick, obviously.

      As well as the flight of Americans to the moon.
      1. pru-pavel
        pru-pavel 15 January 2020 08: 36
        -1
        Undoubtedly
  6. _Sergei_
    _Sergei_ 15 January 2020 06: 51
    +2
    As it turns out, not one of the missiles was able to bring down the plane immediately.
    Then the Americans helped fellow
  7. Maestro
    Maestro 15 January 2020 06: 55
    +7
    But is there anything in the video on the screen that the shooting date is October 2019? fool
    1. Ilya_Nsk
      Ilya_Nsk 15 January 2020 07: 15
      +1
      This does not mean anything. The camera on the non-standard lens, where the date just went astray in the system. The battery of the watch has run out, but you never mind, and it’s a damn for them ...
      1. Maestro
        Maestro 15 January 2020 07: 18
        +4
        Here is the video of the January 8 launch
        1. Maestro
          Maestro 15 January 2020 15: 51
          0
          I took a still image from this video. It can be seen that the detonation right above the camcorder 4 seconds after the launch ... And by the silhouette of the hill, you can determine the location of the shooting.

          ! -)
          1. Maestro
            Maestro 16 January 2020 07: 18
            0
            And here’s the video point ... over the Parand district

            position - right on a hill in the middle of a residential quarter
    2. demchuk.ig
      demchuk.ig 15 January 2020 07: 18
      -1
      Yes, I also drew attention to the date-2019-10. Perhaps it is incorrectly installed.
      perhaps .....
      1. Maestro
        Maestro 15 January 2020 07: 23
        -1
        By the way ... 18-10-1398 of the "Islamic chronology" is 08.01.2020/1/XNUMX "from the RH" .... But here, for some reason, the time is knocked down XNUMX hour ahead ...
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 15 January 2020 08: 26
          -1
          in the first video the date is "2019", the rest is not visible.
  8. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 15 January 2020 07: 01
    +9
    As it turns out, not one of the missiles was able to bring down the plane immediately.
    The bow was turned, pilots were chopped off, the command was destroyed, but not shot down. Another 60 seconds flew. So the headless chicken also runs.
    1. Maestro
      Maestro 15 January 2020 15: 47
      0
      Highly-like - from 2400 Boeing fell for more than 4 minutes ... Judging by the "circular trajectory that it made

      ! -)
  9. tlauicol
    tlauicol 15 January 2020 07: 15
    -16
    Additionally, it is alleged that the aircraft transponder did not stop working immediately, but about 20 seconds after the first missile strike

    conspiracy theory collapses before our eyes, but hamsters do not give up
    1. viking1703
      viking1703 15 January 2020 07: 50
      -23
      because they all want to play spies and uncover a super usa conspiracy. it all resembles the hysterical UFO followers in the United States, with their blind faith in zone 51 and the people in black.
    2. Hagalaz
      Hagalaz 15 January 2020 09: 14
      +4
      I am not one hundred percent inclined to any of the statements. But your quote does not in any way support the collapse of the conspiracy theory.
  10. Flawless
    Flawless 15 January 2020 07: 26
    +13
    Americans and Jews deliberately launch their air and rocket attacks in the area of ​​airports in order to cover their planes and missiles from air defense of Syria and Iran with civilian planes. In my opinion, they are the same terrorists as the Ishilovites, nothing better
    1. pru-pavel
      pru-pavel 15 January 2020 07: 53
      +1
      This time, the Americans carried out a terrorist attack without even delivering strikes in the area of ​​airports, without striking at all, the world has not yet seen such treacherous terrorists who do not get out of their bases and bomb shelters, they are the most unpredictable terrorists.
  11. askort154
    askort154 15 January 2020 07: 32
    +6
    For some reason, not a single "media analyst" is asking a question. Why shoot down the "target"
    coming from Tehran, and not in his direction ?! Where is the logic ?
    And logic dictates that the "target" was not hit "by mistake", but according to an earlier prepared program. Don't blame everything on the "dumb operator", you need to look for
    the developer of this "timely" provocation.
    1. viking1703
      viking1703 15 January 2020 07: 47
      -23
      why do you so boldly discard the version of the stupid operator? because it can logically be continued, a stupid command of calculation that gave the go-ahead to the operator for launch, etc. The version is simple and logical. The developer of this operation is Arab disorder. As in the case of silt in Syria.
      1. askort154
        askort154 15 January 2020 07: 54
        +7
        viking1703 .....and why are you so boldly discarding the version of the stupid operator?

        Somehow they docked successfully - the "dumb operator" and the cameraman who "documented" the success of the operation.
        1. viking1703
          viking1703 15 January 2020 07: 57
          -20
          how many such cases around the world ??? the plane crashes, take off an example ??? concord, etc. the same everyone was waiting specially ?? don't make people laugh, your conspiracy theories are just ridiculous.
          1. askort154
            askort154 15 January 2020 08: 06
            +9
            viking 1703 ... your conspiracy theories are just ridiculous.

            I'm not laughing at you. Yes, a lot of random good shots, but in this case, an obvious oddity. The person sits, removes the "darkness" and, exactly in the direction where a small luminous point then appears, into which two more small "points" fall. If you also take pictures at night
            "darkness" in anticipation - "what if something interesting appears," then I wash my hands. hi
            1. madsollo
              madsollo 15 January 2020 08: 40
              +1
              Everything else: "... the date in the frame is" 2019.10 ... "" and the video was taken from the monitor! - in the upper right corner is especially noticeable.
              1. FenH
                FenH 15 January 2020 09: 37
                -1
                Quote: madsollo
                Everything else: "... the date in the frame is" 2019.10 ... "" and the video was taken from the monitor! - in the upper right corner is especially noticeable.

                There is still a silhouette in reflection, at 1,09
                https://vz.ru/news/2020/1/15/1018160.html
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 15 January 2020 11: 18
        +1
        And what does the Iranians have to do with Arabs?
      3. NordUral
        NordUral 15 January 2020 13: 24
        +2
        You, viking1703, as you can see from your comment, you could have done so. Shoot on takeoff.
      4. Doliva63
        Doliva63 15 January 2020 16: 54
        +1
        Quote: viking1703
        why do you so boldly discard the version of the stupid operator? because it can logically be continued, a stupid command of calculation that gave the go-ahead to the operator for launch, etc. The version is simple and logical. The developer of this operation is Arab disorder. As in the case of silt in Syria.

        It seems to me that the Persians are not Arabs. Although, probably, the general religion left its mark.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 15 January 2020 08: 40
      +1
      Quote: askort154
      Why shoot down the "target"
      coming from Tehran, and not in his direction?

      Yes, this is very interesting, I also did not think about it. It's getting dark.
  12. Air force
    Air force 15 January 2020 08: 05
    0
    Why no one is considering the version of the introduction of agents into the IRGC, then that there is an opposition in Iran and it is not homogeneous, everyone knows why the Western special services do not take advantage of this and introduce agents into the IRGC. Sleeping cells are waiting in the wings and at the "X" hour they execute the order in the name of victory over the regime, for example, they bring down the plane at the most inopportune moment. The fact that the intelligence services can brainwash is no secret "ISIL" (a banned terrorist organization in Russia) is confirmation of this. The lives of people are not taken into account by the performers, for them to knock the plane down is a common tactical move in a strategic game. It turns out such a disguised terrorist attack or sabotage aimed at discrediting the Iranian leadership and the IRGC itself. Look, for example, in Turkey, how many such sleeping cells among the military woke up during the coup attempt against Erdogan. Of course, one might think that it is doubtful and premature to shine the sleeping cells, in order to simply discredit the Iranian leadership, such as "the game is not worth the candle."
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 15 January 2020 08: 30
      +2
      Why no one is considering the version of the introduction of agents in the IRGC

      I think this version is being considered.
      Or maybe the transponder signal has been replaced? The plane recently underwent maintenance, they did it there, then it was remotely turned on with incorrectly transmitted data.
      1. zlinn
        zlinn 15 January 2020 08: 50
        +3
        firstly, the transponder issued the correct information and this is known.
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 15 January 2020 08: 55
          -1
          who knows? Still, the data of black boxes have not been decrypted.
          1. zlinn
            zlinn 15 January 2020 09: 00
            +1
            this is familiar to everyone from the fillillight radar 24 and the transformer’s testimony is not written in black and it doesn’t make sense they are written from the ground
            1. Glory1974
              Glory1974 15 January 2020 09: 21
              -1
              The transponder transmits its data to the ground. Any signal can be replaced or changed.
  13. Svetlana
    Svetlana 15 January 2020 08: 22
    +6
    Yes, at least three missiles. The anti-aircraft gunners were not at a loss for the lack of communication and did the work for which they were intended.
    And the Americans, most likely, in order to check the stability of the Iranian air defense, this connection and "cut" and attacked the base with electronic warfare. Then they shot a "movie" not only with optics, but also on all radio bands.
    And the fact that they sacrificed civilians, so they do not get used to. Remember Sakhalin and the Japanese liner ..
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 15 January 2020 13: 26
      +1
      The most likely scenario.
  14. rocket757
    rocket757 15 January 2020 08: 26
    +1
    The US said that none of the two IRGC missiles could immediately bring down a Ukrainian airliner
    Today, 06: 14

    Even a single missile, small, inflicts, upon an exact hit, serious damage to the aircraft!
    The plane is not a ballistic object, how could it "steer" after the missile was hit? Moreover, on takeoff, when neither speed, nor altitude, nor engine thrust, for the rescue maneuver, could not be enough ???
    In short, fortune telling, which cannot be confirmed / is now refuted in fact.
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 15 January 2020 09: 01
      0
      How could he "steer" after the missile was hit?

      After a missile hit, it flew for another 60 seconds, while the lower part of the cockpit was destroyed, that is, no one controlled it. How is this possible?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 15 January 2020 09: 51
        +3
        Quote: glory1974
        How is this possible?

        The plane is NOT IRON! Inertia force, engine thrust, structural balance ... i.e. if it does not hit the "wall", the speed will not lose, it does not immediately fall down.
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 15 January 2020 17: 08
          0
          The plane is NOT IRONED!

          A modern airplane has the planning abilities of a reinforced concrete slab.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 15 January 2020 17: 18
            +2
            Quote: glory1974
            The plane is NOT IRONED!

            A modern airplane has the planning abilities of a reinforced concrete slab.

            If the reinforced concrete slab is given sufficient acceleration, speed, it will fly too! low, low, but not for long. Speed, inertia, structural integrity ... if the engines also work, then it depends only on the position of the rudders where and how it will fly.
            By the way, this is just a version explaining the ongoing flight.
      2. Grad-Xnumx
        Grad-Xnumx 15 January 2020 10: 11
        +1
        Like the MiG-23 during the Cold War, the pilot ejected and the plane crashed somewhere in Germany.
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 15 January 2020 17: 13
          0
          Like the MiG-23 during the Cold War, the pilot ejected and the plane crashed somewhere in Germany

          The engines worked, the autopilot turned on. As long as there was gasoline, the plane flew.
          And here the situation is different. the plane was damaged, was on take-off, without autopilot.
        2. rocket757
          rocket757 15 January 2020 17: 19
          0
          Quote: Grad-1
          Like the MiG-23 during the Cold War, the pilot ejected and the plane crashed somewhere in Germany.

          This is not the only case of a plane!
      3. Muxalet
        Muxalet 15 January 2020 10: 17
        +1
        The situation was saved by the autopilot while the systems failed ... everything is duplicated there.
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 15 January 2020 17: 09
          +1
          The situation was saved by the autopilot, while the systems failed.

          The plane was gaining altitude, the autopilot was not included.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 15 January 2020 17: 21
            0
            Quote: glory1974
            The situation was saved by the autopilot, while the systems failed.

            The plane was gaining altitude, the autopilot was not included.

            When taking off, they do not use autopilot, but there is auxiliary automation.
  15. HDZ
    HDZ 15 January 2020 08: 46
    +3
    Quote: viktor_ui
    and where is the director himself ??

    in izgail.
  16. Avior
    Avior 15 January 2020 08: 50
    +1
    . and then it was replicated on the network with the words that it was published by a certain “Iranian user”.

    Actually, in a neighboring article it is written that he was arrested in Iran, why in quotation marks?
  17. Miron
    Miron 15 January 2020 09: 11
    +1
    It is strange where the video footage of the strike at Baghdad airport and the killing of Suleimani. Where are the rocket explosions at US bases in Iraq.
    Is there such a bad agent in the New York Times?
  18. kupitman
    kupitman 15 January 2020 09: 14
    0
    Those. Do I understand correctly that the rocket shot down the plane gradually?
  19. Freeman
    Freeman 15 January 2020 09: 44
    +4
    Quote: glory1974
    in the first video the date is "2019", the rest is not visible.

    Quote: madsollo
    Everything else: "... the date in the frame is" 2019.10 ... "" and video made from monitor! - in the upper right corner is especially noticeable.


    Absolutely.
    Moreover, the video is cropped to fit the frame, and there is no ending with the fall of the object.

    Here is the "original"
  20. Grad-Xnumx
    Grad-Xnumx 15 January 2020 10: 09
    0
    And what does that change? The plane was shot down because it did not fall right away, as a result it does not change anything.
  21. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 15 January 2020 10: 10
    +2
    but they also represent more and more personnel with the delivery of such a blow by the Iranian calculation of air defense systems
    How quickly, and most importantly, in keeping with the chronology. And what about the "Boeing" shot down over the DPR no data for more than 5 years have not been provided, although they promised? Probably satellite optics dimmed out of shame?
  22. Forest
    Forest 15 January 2020 10: 30
    +1
    Exactly only one thing - civilian planes shoot down when you need the sshs, regardless of the country, the template.
    1. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn 15 January 2020 11: 06
      -1
      Just American planes attract rockets. Soon, the missiles will not even need to start the engine, the Boeings will pull them with their karma.
      1. Forest
        Forest 15 January 2020 11: 57
        0
        Most likely with its electronics.
        1. g1washntwn
          g1washntwn 15 January 2020 14: 57
          +1
          I mean the same. Making a hardware and software bookmark on someone else's plane is more difficult than on your own. Then you can write off the loss of Boeing over the sea, turn off and replace the signal in the transponders, at the right time, replace the record in the black box ... or on the flight radar website ... and quietly cover your tracks. And with someone else's plane you need to mercilessly poke around and this "Trojan", by analogy with Iranian centrifuges, will sooner or later be dug up.
  23. Antropos
    Antropos 15 January 2020 11: 35
    0
    Firstly, for several hundred years, as in the armies of all countries there are charters. They determine the responsibilities of each officer (from the soldier to the Supreme) in each specific situation. And with each new level of progress complemented and expanded. Charters are literally written in blood. And they are written precisely so that the random actions of a stupid and lazy soldier do not lead to a disaster on a planetary scale. In addition, there are instructions on the use of weapons and regulations prescribing the procedure for action in different conditions. Yes, the prescription system is cumbersome, like algebra, but more understandable, because it is written for stupid warriors. And while studying, it is practiced to be automatic, because in battle there is no time to remember. Hands and feet themselves must make the usual movements.
    The country's air defense includes not only missiles, but also interceptor aircraft. In peacetime, charters prescribe in all incomprehensible situations to send planes not for further exploration in order to competently deal with a possible threat. In Iran, all this is. Therefore, immediately dumb rockets - nonsense. In peacetime, missile launchers operate in manual control mode. In automatic mode, they are transferred only in conditions of hostilities and with massive raids. In this case, the AI ​​of air defense systems itself determines the degree of danger, priority goals and the moment of launch. I repeat, defeat systems are transferred to automatic mode only if the state is officially at war. And only in the non-flying sectors for civil aviation. Military aircraft have special beacons for identifying friend or foe. There is a message in the excuses of the Iranians that the launch operator had no connection, and the time for making a decision did not exceed 5 seconds. This suggests that the launcher was still in manual mode, which is correct, and the combat duty was completely disorganized. For the lack of communication (for any reason) nullifies the value of a military unit under the conditions of waiting for the start of hostilities, as in this case, and even more so in a war. Moreover, it exacerbates the severity of the consequences. But the most interesting thing in this situevina is the notorious 5 seconds.
    Radars of air defense systems operate for several tens and hundreds of kilometers, depending on the purpose of these same means. The accused “Thor” has a detection range of such a whopper as a passenger plane of 50 kilometers or more. Those. the observation operator saw this aircraft almost from the take-off during all 5-6 minutes of the flight. Civilian aircraft have a beacon - a transponder. He is needed, just in order to identify himself and loudly declare: I am a peaceful man, do not shoot! On the operator’s screen, it looks like a double dash. And while the dash double anti-aircraft gunners just watching, without aiming. In order for the rocket to go, you need to turn on a special guidance radar to achieve the capture of the target and only after confirming the capture can the rocket start. That is, several people work, and not one “switchman” on whom you can blame everything. In addition, the monitoring operator on the screen in various ways (for example, using a conventional marker) puts a civilian flight safety corridor and its own guarded territory to facilitate the operator’s assessment of the threat. In peacetime, if the target was in the corridor and the transponder signal suddenly disappeared - this is a cause for concern and attraction of air defense aircraft, even if the target began to maneuver strangely. Perhaps on board, something happened. Interceptor pilots, having established visual contact and being in touch with the command, report on what they saw and carry out ground decisions. DO NOT DECIDE IT YOURSELF! Pilots have many options for assessing the situation, for example, you can get close to the cockpit, draw attention and use the system of signs to receive a message about problems on board or to state the need for course correction, or even a forced landing. Defeat is a last resort. This happened several times in the history of the USSR. The most famous cases of Korean aircraft in 78 and 83 years. Moreover, it is prohibited to shoot rockets if the transponder is working. That's about the transponder. Just no information. And she, for me, defines in a wreck.
    Now about the information background. We killed an Iranian military official formally invited by the Iraqi government in another country, in Iraq. Just imagine that you, being in the country, throw a grenade on the neighboring porch, where the cat from the third section sits in the sun. He screams at night and interferes with sleep. How will ALL neighbors react to you? The pepper is clear that a disgruntled bubbling has begun even among the podinos. Iran retaliated in Amer’s bases without getting anywhere. Everything here is strange too. Where did they shoot if no one was hurt? Nevertheless, public opinion was, if not for Iran, then definitely against. Painfully mean they did. Although everyone should already get used to it. What need to do? That's right, get the hell out of your head. How? Remotely disable the transponder in the area of ​​Iranian air defense. There is such a technical opportunity. Modern avionics allows you to generally intercept control from outside pilots. Moreover, this is Boeing, an Amer handicraft, which is fully accessible to them anytime, anywhere. Here, I immediately recall the cheerful reaction of the ramp to the Iranian retaliatory strike: they say, everything is okay, gaiz! Based on your everyday experience, imagine a situation in which a ten-grader bully put a fingal to a third grader. And he kicked the tenth grader’s briefcase. What is going to happen? Will the bully say that everything is okay? Loss of authority, at least. Tear the little one in half? And then after all, now anyone can kick a portfolio, which is not permissible. With sufficient mental development of the bully, it is much better to imagine the youngster as an even worse evil, as if deserving of a fingal and even more severe beating. Then everyone will be - for! And now all the world media are discussing not lawlessness, but cannibal Iran, which kills even its own. Almost all of the dead are Iranians.
    All this reminds me very much of the story of MH17 in Ukraine.
    There is another version of bribery. They bought the Saddam generals.
  24. Shahno
    Shahno 15 January 2020 11: 54
    0
    Quote: Anthropos
    Firstly, for several hundred years, as in the armies of all countries there are charters. They determine the responsibilities of each officer (from the soldier to the Supreme) in each specific situation. And with each new level of progress complemented and expanded. Charters are literally written in blood. And they are written precisely so that the random actions of a stupid and lazy soldier do not lead to a disaster on a planetary scale. In addition, there are instructions on the use of weapons and regulations prescribing the procedure for action in different conditions. Yes, the prescription system is cumbersome, like algebra, but more understandable, because it is written for stupid warriors. And while studying, it is practiced to be automatic, because in battle there is no time to remember. Hands and feet themselves must make the usual movements.
    The country's air defense includes not only missiles, but also interceptor aircraft. In peacetime, charters prescribe in all incomprehensible situations to send planes not for further exploration in order to competently deal with a possible threat. In Iran, all this is. Therefore, immediately dumb rockets - nonsense. In peacetime, missile launchers operate in manual control mode. In automatic mode, they are transferred only in conditions of hostilities and with massive raids. In this case, the AI ​​of air defense systems itself determines the degree of danger, priority goals and the moment of launch. I repeat, defeat systems are transferred to automatic mode only if the state is officially at war. And only in the non-flying sectors for civil aviation. Military aircraft have special beacons for identifying friend or foe. There is a message in the excuses of the Iranians that the launch operator had no connection, and the time for making a decision did not exceed 5 seconds. This suggests that the launcher was still in manual mode, which is correct, and the combat duty was completely disorganized. For the lack of communication (for any reason) nullifies the value of a military unit under the conditions of waiting for the start of hostilities, as in this case, and even more so in a war. Moreover, it exacerbates the severity of the consequences. But the most interesting thing in this situevina is the notorious 5 seconds.
    Radars of air defense systems operate for several tens and hundreds of kilometers, depending on the purpose of these same means. The accused “Thor” has a detection range of such a whopper as a passenger plane of 50 kilometers or more. Those. the observation operator saw this aircraft almost from the take-off during all 5-6 minutes of the flight. Civilian aircraft have a beacon - a transponder. He is needed, just in order to identify himself and loudly declare: I am a peaceful man, do not shoot! On the operator’s screen, it looks like a double dash. And while the dash double anti-aircraft gunners just watching, without aiming. In order for the rocket to go, you need to turn on a special guidance radar to achieve the capture of the target and only after confirming the capture can the rocket start. That is, several people work, and not one “switchman” on whom you can blame everything. In addition, the monitoring operator on the screen in various ways (for example, using a conventional marker) puts a civilian flight safety corridor and its own guarded territory to facilitate the operator’s assessment of the threat. In peacetime, if the target was in the corridor and the transponder signal suddenly disappeared - this is a cause for concern and attraction of air defense aircraft, even if the target began to maneuver strangely. Perhaps on board, something happened. Interceptor pilots, having established visual contact and being in touch with the command, report on what they saw and carry out ground decisions. DO NOT DECIDE IT YOURSELF! Pilots have many options for assessing the situation, for example, you can get close to the cockpit, draw attention and use the system of signs to receive a message about problems on board or to state the need for course correction, or even a forced landing. Defeat is a last resort. This happened several times in the history of the USSR. The most famous cases of Korean aircraft in 78 and 83 years. Moreover, it is prohibited to shoot rockets if the transponder is working. That's about the transponder. Just no information. And she, for me, defines in a wreck.
    Now about the information background. We killed an Iranian military official formally invited by the Iraqi government in another country, in Iraq. Just imagine that you, being in the country, throw a grenade on the neighboring porch, where the cat from the third section sits in the sun. He screams at night and interferes with sleep. How will ALL neighbors react to you? The pepper is clear that a disgruntled bubbling has begun even among the podinos. Iran retaliated in Amer’s bases without getting anywhere. Everything here is strange too. Where did they shoot if no one was hurt? Nevertheless, public opinion was, if not for Iran, then definitely against. Painfully mean they did. Although everyone should already get used to it. What need to do? That's right, get the hell out of your head. How? Remotely disable the transponder in the area of ​​Iranian air defense. There is such a technical opportunity. Modern avionics allows you to generally intercept control from outside pilots. Moreover, this is Boeing, an Amer handicraft, which is fully accessible to them anytime, anywhere. Here, I immediately recall the cheerful reaction of the ramp to the Iranian retaliatory strike: they say, everything is okay, gaiz! Based on your everyday experience, imagine a situation in which a ten-grader bully put a fingal to a third grader. And he kicked the tenth grader’s briefcase. What is going to happen? Will the bully say that everything is okay? Loss of authority, at least. Tear the little one in half? And then after all, now anyone can kick a portfolio, which is not permissible. With sufficient mental development of the bully, it is much better to imagine the youngster as an even worse evil, as if deserving of a fingal and even more severe beating. Then everyone will be - for! And now all the world media are discussing not lawlessness, but cannibal Iran, which kills even its own. Almost all of the dead are Iranians.
    All this reminds me very much of the story of MH17 in Ukraine.
    There is another version of bribery. They bought the Saddam generals.

    // There is another version of bribery. They bought the Saddam generals.
    Not very likely. Too complicated if you follow the start-up schedule. Try yourself to scroll in your head ..
    To do this, you need to cut down the connection with the CP, to discredit the signal from the civilian side, to rinse the brains of the comm.calculation of PU, etc.
    Well, or to bribe everyone wassat
  25. Cheerock
    Cheerock 15 January 2020 12: 22
    -3
    Quote: bessmertniy
    What is this for? That the Americans could destroy this Boeing in one second? what And with one rocket? what recourse feel They will probably also show how to do this ... sad

    Exactly so, and also:
    - Spray onto atoms;
    - Instantly teleport the plane to the ground.
    Underline whatever applicable. Russian missiles are piece of crap, American "Patriots" only! bully
  26. Iskander. Richard
    Iskander. Richard 15 January 2020 12: 34
    -2
    Everything is clear here. Iran is not able to fight with NATO, Iran is only able to shoot down civilian aircraft with the help of useless Russian air defense systems, which already have 3 non-military aircraft shot down recently. This is some shame!
  27. Shahno
    Shahno 15 January 2020 12: 40
    -1
    Quote: Iskander. Richard
    Everything is clear here. Iran is not able to fight with NATO, Iran is only able to shoot down civilian aircraft with the help of useless Russian air defense systems, which already have 3 non-military aircraft shot down recently. This is some shame!

    Interestingly. The enemy’s military goals are destroyed less than civilian ones .. At least, a reason to think about it ..
  28. Old26
    Old26 15 January 2020 18: 02
    +2
    Quote: Maestro
    Highly-like - from 2400 Boeing fell for more than 4 minutes ... Judging by the "circular trajectory that it made

    Alexei! 2400-2500 meters is the barometric altitude in the airport area. The actual height of the board is 1500 meters. The height of the airport above sea level - 1007 meters

    Quote: Anthropos
    The accused “Thor” has a detection range of such a whopper as a passenger plane of 50 kilometers or more.

    TOR has a detection range of 25 km

    Quote: Anthropos
    Those. the observation operator saw this aircraft almost from the take-off during all 5-6 minutes of the flight.

    The plane flew 183 seconds, that is, THREE MINUTES
    1. Maestro
      Maestro 15 January 2020 19: 23
      0
      Explore Flight Radar ... At 2:42 UTC, Flight 752 is on the ground, 0m transponder. At 2:44 a.m. "with kopecks" - its height is already 2419 m. In 150-160 seconds it gained 2400, which corresponds to a rate of climb of 15-16 m / s. This is normal for low altitudes.
      In the video of the launch of the first rocket - it flies to the target almost vertically for 4-5 seconds, which at a speed of Thor of 2 Mach gives a flight range of 2.5-3 km.
      The plane took off at 6.12. At 6.15 - hit the first rocket. At 6.19 - the fall ... I already posted the photo.
  29. Maestro
    Maestro 15 January 2020 18: 59
    0
    On a more complete video, the date 17-10-2019 is visible ... Maybe it is not October 17? .. and the date of the current Persian calendar is 17 Day, which corresponds to January 07 ... and the time on the camera is a bit knocked down

    In this case, this is the 2nd and 3rd missiles launched by Boeing. The first - started vertically above Paranda and exploded 5 seconds after launch
    ! - (
  30. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 15 January 2020 20: 49
    0
    Somehow, the biography of those flying on that flight is still more interesting. Were there any passengers, eliminating whom the plane did not regret?
  31. Lexa-149
    Lexa-149 15 January 2020 22: 50
    0
    Date in the upper right corner of the screen 17.10.2019/XNUMX/XNUMX
  32. kupitman
    kupitman 16 January 2020 16: 43
    0
    those. not shot down? or doesn’t count down? Can Iran Take Apologies Back Now? how to understand?
    Or just rockets shot down gradually?
  33. nvp1952rus
    nvp1952rus 16 January 2020 16: 58
    +1
    Strange experts gathered here. For some reason, everyone believes that the missile strike on the plane, which led to its ignition and fall, was inflicted on take-off at the point where the signal from the transponder disappeared. And no one takes into account the place where the plane crashed and the direction of its flight at that moment. But after the communication and signal from the transponder disappeared, the plane began to turn right with a radius of about 7 kilometers and was shot down after about three minutes of flight with a turn, decrease and heading south-east in the direction of the departure airport. And this is about 14 kilometers to the right of the permitted flight corridor and closer to Tehran. Here there was a post of air defense of the near cover of the capital of Iran. But something that happened on take-off at the point of disappearance of communication and signal from the transponder led to this defeat of the aircraft by air defense missiles. And it is not yet known whether they will determine the reason for decrypting black boxes. But if we assume that the first video (with an attack on a plane on take-off, most likely from MANPADS, and filmed to report on a completed mission) is not a fake, then someone’s ears stick out there and it was a planned action.
    1. Maestro
      Maestro 17 January 2020 17: 25
      0
      The transponder turned off after hitting the P-1 from a position above the Parand area - see video above.
      The R-2, launched from a position at a distance of 10 km, missed, and on the 20th second of its flight the self-liquidator worked.
      R-3 hit the target at the 10th second, which at a speed of Thor in 2M corresponds to 7 km

      Air defense positions covered the objects of the IRGC - fenced areas in the desert
      1. Maestro
        Maestro 18 January 2020 01: 37
        0
        Steamed a bit ...

        ! -)
  34. smart fellow
    smart fellow 16 January 2020 19: 25
    +1
    This is how the Syrians shot down a Russian plane, and the Iranians Ukrainian. There were Israeli planes, and in this case, American drones.
  35. Vladimir SHajkin
    Vladimir SHajkin 16 January 2020 22: 47
    0
    Any SAM does not operate without a command from above, namely: 1. combat deployment, 2. target must be determined, 3. captured for escort, 4. must be transferred as a target for attack, 5. command to destroy.
    All this is done only on command from above and not a single commander of an individual ASEZ will assume such responsibility.
    All the time, a transponder operates on all civilian airplanes - a beacon of a civilian aircraft; any air defense missile system tracks this transponder.
    The pilots could not turn it off (transponder), perhaps it was turned off remotely.
  36. Mwg
    Mwg 17 January 2020 16: 47
    0
    Stranger and weirder ...