Deserted Russia: to whom shall we say thank you?

Deserted Russia: to whom shall we say thank you?

Interesting data: over the past four years, Rosstat has continuously recorded a decline in the birth rate in the country. And there is nothing to be done about it, it is an indisputable fact. We are dying out.



There are a lot of opinions on this subject, from “two demographic pits” of Mr. Peskov to the opinions of academicians and experts.

It is possible to speak endlessly with various arguments, but the facts show that the Russians do not want to breed. Despite the “titanic” efforts of the government and the extension of the handout program in the form of mother capital.

Although yes, they could not extend the program, there is no doubt. And at least they removed the “one-time help” in the amount of 50 rubles, which was both ridiculous and terribly humiliating.

It is strange, of course, why do Russians not want to breed? Indeed, the president spoke so much about this in such kind and wise words, but they, ungrateful, do not want to. Despite the government’s concern for them.

Apparently, after all, the Russians are also smart and understand what's what.

If you cast aside the most complete nonsense that pours from the television screen, then in reality a very unattractive picture is obtained.


The Russian state does absolutely nothing to increase the population of the country. And this despite the fact that it, the state, is vitally interested in this.

Let's face the problem and honestly answer the question: what is the main task of the state and what is the main task of the citizen of this state, naturally, referring to Russia.

The main task of a citizen is to pay taxes. Direct and indirect, income tax, VAT and other small things. Well, it seems to be an option - to grow a replacement for yourself, who will also pay taxes all his life.

In the USSR, they will not let me lie, the tax was on childlessness. That is, if you don’t want to grow new taxpayers, pay it yourself. But we will talk about the USSR a little lower. It is too early.

But the main task of the state is to master these taxes, that is, spend them. For your own good. Well, and, of course, something to steal, without it in any way.

And this is quite normal, they steal everywhere. And each state lives that way, spending taxes for the benefit and prosperity of itself. And there are states where it also falls to citizens.

But we are now talking exclusively about Russia.

In general, the utter indifference of modern Russia to the inhabitants of the country (I don’t take annual handouts in the form of publicly solved problems throughout the country during the “straight line”) is somewhat reminiscent of ... yes, the very crisp Russia that still cries our monarchists. There, too, everyone did not care about the slaves. They won’t go anywhere, they will multiply.

Until a certain point.

But if in that case it turned out that the lackeys took up the forks and raised many “noble” ones to these forks, now it will not work out that way. And it’s not even about the rapidly expanding Rosguard, which now, according to the will of the president, will aviation and the fleet. The fact that our state is creating yet another lured army that will 100% protect and protect the interests of the state is not at all terrible.

It just shows how much the government is afraid of its citizens. And he does not trust his own army, which may well not go shoot at the people.

Another question is whether to shoot at anyone ... An interesting question, right?

In order to understand how sad everything is, I organized a survey among my surroundings, in which many people are younger than me. These are people from 26 to 30 years old. And taking only 16 people, the closest circle, so to speak, I got the following interesting results.

Two children or more - 1.
One child and there will be a second - 1.
One child and that's enough - 8.
Not yet, but it will be later - 3.
They do not want at all - 3.

Well, as if I myself also settled on one. And, most interestingly, it was not so much the year 1998 that encouraged me not to continue breeding, when the whole country was dunked at the most, do not indulge, but further events as a whole.

And now we are not talking about patriotism at all, we should not confuse patriotism and idiocy, as one of the respondents told me, least of all wanting his child to then go to distant lands to fight for the interests of gas and oil companies.

For protecting the country is one thing, and protecting the interests of state oligarchs is another. Even if the second is covered with a muslin kerchief to fight world evil.

But even on such a small slice, the tendency towards what is very well visible. That's right, to non-reproduction. There are a lot of studies that explain with what charts and tables.

But the matter is only in a planned market economy and in women.

There is such a thing as a woman's reproductive age. This is from 15 to 49 years, if you take the official documents of the Ministry of Health. It is clear that the farther from 15 to 49, the less likely the successful completion of the reproduction process, and the likelihood of genetic abnormalities and deformities is higher.

This is also a fact confirmed by statistics, but we will talk about these unpleasant moments in the next article.

I only note that the average age of reproduction has increased significantly, and today they began to give birth much later than 25-30 years ago.


Today, the “youngest group”, that is, the age of 15-19 years, generally looks like a kind of rest group, according to statistics, the main age for reproduction today in women is the later, from 30 to 39. It is there that there is a significant increase in childbirth. And this is due precisely to the economic situation in the country, it is simply impossible to blame everything on the desire to make a career and other nonsense.


People simply earn money, since the birth of a child in our time is not just expensive, but very expensive. And - at the expense of the parents, of course. The state is calmly standing on the sidelines and waving a certificate of capital in case of the birth of the second.

But to the second you need to grow the first. And on this path there are so many obstacles that parents and their relatives will decide that often overcoming them completely discourages doing the repeat.

Yes, many will say now that children and money are completely different things, children are the fruits of love and morality.

Okay, good. We have morality - nowhere to go. And with love, in the best sense of the word, while order, thank God, is not yet inhabited in Europe.

But here is love and morality, not supported by the necessary number of banknotes, what do they give? That's right, we in the nineties could all observe this disgrace, beggars, car washers at intersections and just thieves. It was, gentlemen, it was.

Now this is not. At first it really became easier to live in the beginning of the two thousandths, and then ... And then our government began to struggle to increase the birth rate. Well, when our officials begin the struggle, everything somehow rolls into tartarara.

Everything rolled. Yes, at first the birth rate jumped, but then everything returned to normal and even got worse. The credit of trust is over. Along with the collapse of children's medicine and simply insane prices for everything related to childbirth.

That's why they started giving birth not when it is possible and necessary, but when there is money for it. After 30, far after 30, having passed the necessary steps in the career ladder. This applies not only to wives, but also to husbands. Failed - no necessary amounts - nothing to think about reproduction.


In general, if our government will continue to increase the birth rate SO, then its birth rate will be hindered not by a financial issue, but by a climacteric one. That is, the age of possible births is the age, but behind each birth after 40 is standing, smiling so sweetly, at best, Down syndrome.

And this nonsense that "a woman will hit forty-five - a woman’s berry again," you will excuse me, it’s only for the most optimistic. Millions of much-needed potential taxpayers will not give birth to “berries”, this is really stupid.

However, there is a nuance.

Our television, which has long been in the hands of well-defined circles, has been fashioning women for almost 30 years in the image of a “successful woman”: “live for yourself”, “do not rush with children”, “the main thing is career and personal well-being”.

Well, the fact that we have been on TV for a long time (since 1991) as a creative person has ceased to be an example, but who instead? That's right, the so-called "bohemia." "Stars" of the stage, "secular lionesses" and other riffraff of all sexes and colors.

In general, who does not know, "Bohemia" - from the French bohème, gypsy. So we have a very bright such camp is crazy.

So, this “bohemia”, our 30 years old, has already shown us all sorts of different kinds of mischief, numerous divorces “in search of the present”, non-traditional orientations, but what is it, we have already given birth to one in 70 years old! Without hesitation, throughout the country, talking about buying a surrogate mother yourself, beloved.

Moreover, some of the "stars" on the TV screen advertise their birth far beyond 40 and are proud of their children who were born with Down syndrome or autism.

All this, of course, creates the necessary advertising for a healthy continuation of the human race as a whole (such problems are not only ours, what really), and Russian in particular. But watching or not watching is everyone’s choice, but it’s clear that our government will by no means interfere in the work of TV advertising sodomy and other perversions.

Moving on.

Further it is worth remembering that according to the words of Putin himself, we all lived very poorly in the USSR. Galoshes, blue hens, the absence of 100 varieties of sausage and jeans. But the birth rate was normal.

It was, frankly, not as rosy as it is now. But why then now there seems to be everything that was missing in the Soviet Union, and the birth rate is falling? Snickering?

Oh no. They just robbed us so that in order to compensate for this robbery, everyone has to plow like damned.

And who and what stole from us?

Let's remember.

And the memories I will begin with the example of one country in the Gulf region, where every born citizen receives a very round sum at birth. And with every citizen the state shares this profit from petrodollars.

The most interesting thing is that the USSR also shared its profits from the sale of oil and gas with its citizens. And he shared even more generously than they do in the Emirates.

Paradox? But no.

Now our full-time liberals will conquer. I look forward to. I expect cries on the topic "we did not see this money, we were not given them."

They gave. Only in a smart way. And thank God that they didn’t give me evidence, I saw how they used vouchers in the nineties and how they lost everything in attempts to earn money from their “partners”. The market and smart spending are not given to everyone.

In the same Emirates, there are also showdowns of beaten supercars, from those that give in cash. Well, yes, I bought a Ferrari for everything, gouged it, sat on a camel again, and that's it. In the Russian reality - just left bare back.

So, what did the USSR give citizens on petrodollars there?

1. Free medicine. From conception to death. Really free and real medicine.

2. The state paid for nurseries and kindergartens.

3. The state paid for art schools and sports sections.

4. The state paid for education. Average.

5. The state paid for higher education, which not only was free, but also paid scholarships. To everyone who deserved it.

6. Pioneer camps, recreation centers, motels, dispensaries, rest homes. Oh yes, there was something paid, it was. 10-15%, the rest was paid by the trade union with the support of the same state.

7. The state paid for housing, which was issued to its citizens. Not taking a dime.

Few? Well, yes, some are few. It is clear that they did not buy Ferrari - everything is bad.

And now, when you pay all this yourself, are you okay? Very well? Yes luxurious, really. Of course, the mortgage apartment is much more luxurious than the one that your parents gave, I agree.

But now all of the above is missing. Resources, according to the constitution, belonged to the people who received all the benefits listed above from them, were stolen from the people by Yeltsin and for some reason were not returned back to Putin. Although in 20 years it would be possible.

But what now to cry if ALL the money that is earned from the sale of oil and gas (and Gazprom and Rosneft have become much more sold) now go where? That's right, in the pocket of “friends” and members of the elite club “Russia”.

Of course, not all. Something in the form of taxes is returned to the treasury, and the state spends this money on itself. Almost nothing now falls to the people, and EVERYTHING from that list is paid from the pockets of citizens.

In general, how much would have been stolen. And therefore, today there simply cannot be any complaints against those who simply cannot afford a second (and often their first) child at an early age. And I really understand those who do not want to do this at all.

But what was there, one was enough for himself, so the thought of the second at one time threw very far. And frankly, I have no regrets about that.

How not regret those who so far or do not plan to reproduce at all. Just because today there is no certainty that this will not work for you sideways. That you will return to the same place from which you went on maternity leave (and you don’t have to sing about the law, all the private employers sneezed at it), that you won’t be below the poverty line and so on.

It turns out that demography is a kind of vote of confidence in the state. VTsIOM and Rosstat can stomp numbers as much as they like, in which the majority of the population clearly believes and supports the state, but the numbers of the demographic crisis suggest the opposite.

The people do not believe in their bright future and do not wish their children such a future. Fact? Fact.

It turns out that voting is possible not only with feet and ballots. You can vote in completely different ways and parts of the body.

The current birth rate does not even speak, it screams loudly that everything is not very good in the country. The people simply are not able to pay for the increase in the number of potential taxpayers for the state.

The state, or rather, the people who personify it, in theory should listen to such things. But since there is no idea as such in our country, I’m sure that no one will listen, and everything will take its course. Under bravura reports and television shows with participation.

And in fact, we will slowly die out. Just because there is no money for it. And will not be.
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  1. Fuse angel 17 January 2020 05: 45 New
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    Such alarmist articles of the type - "everything is gone, we all die!" Are very annoying. Of course, I do not deny the problems that the author described, but there is no way that everything is so bad and there is no way out. The author of the article sees what he wants to see.
    1. Victor jnnjdfy 17 January 2020 05: 57 New
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      Yeah. Matcapital is a "handout" (especially in the provinces). The author, it seems to me, is relatively young and not far off. He did not stand under the USSR in a long line for a kilogram of sausage for 67 kopecks. Connoisseur ..
      1. Nonna 17 January 2020 06: 34 New
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        Victor. Are you an old anti-Soviet? You're lying on a blue eye. Smoked sausage was everywhere, especially in cooperative stores - not everyone really had money for it. For 67 copecks, nobody needed your livery. For jam and ham - yes, the crowd gathered. They’ll grab everything - it’s like there’s not much that’s worth in stores, and refrigerators are full
        1. Stas157 17 January 2020 06: 40 New
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          . Russian state does absolutely nothing in order to increase the population of the country.

          Forced to "disagree"!
          The oligarchs and billionaires with us very prolific. And their number is growing. The state has clearly set a course to increase not just people, but the richest citizens!

          And they clearly show us how a person will multiply when all material and social problems are resolved.
          1. Uncle Vanya Susanin 17 January 2020 09: 45 New
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            I know two seven, some very wealthy, although not oligarchs, of course, the other husband is a hard worker, his wife is at home with children, the first four have children, the second has three, both families are very religious people! So not money is the reason for high birth rates, but ideology!
            1. Stas157 17 January 2020 10: 06 New
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              Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
              So not money is the reason for high birth rates, but ideology!

              Nevertheless, the average number of children in families of oligarchs is two times higher than the average for Russia.

              But it’s not necessary to make everyone oligarchs for this. It is enough to have a roof over your head (your own home, not an apartment in Khrushchev), so that one salary can feed the whole family, truly affordable medicine, education and confidence in the future.

              Look at all the national republics, where the birth rate is on top. They live mainly in their homes and the woman does not work (takes care of the family).
              1. vka
                vka 17 January 2020 12: 44 New
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                if a woman sits at home and only for family - she will turn into a cow
                1. Stas157 17 January 2020 14: 15 New
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                  Quote: vka
                  if a woman will sit at home and only for the family - she will turn into a cow

                  His wife, a doctor, went to the United States according to the American program, lived for a month in the families of dentists. In families of 4-5 children. It works (salary allows) as a rule one person (dentist). Another housework. After all, 4-5 children are just a kindergarten.
                  There was nothing for Russian dentists to brag about. Not at all. Neither children, nor salary, nor working conditions (equipment and materials) ... only if Putin is proud that he raised the country from his knees!
                  1. smart ass 17 January 2020 17: 13 New
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                    How there is nothing to brag about, and our Crimea?
                  2. Karen 19 January 2020 10: 29 New
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                    Quote: Stas157

                    His wife, a doctor, went to the United States according to the American program, lived for a month in the families of dentists. In families of 4-5 children.

                    In the USA, this is usually a minimum in Anglo-Saxon and Jewish families ...
                    1. Stas157 19 January 2020 12: 59 New
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                      Mormons, Utah. They are all correct and large.
                      1. Karen 19 January 2020 16: 59 New
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                        He told me earlier ... I met by chance with an old acquaintance, asking him about the news ...
                        “He returned with ... Mormons.”
                        “Are you a Jew?”
                        “Didn't you know?”
                        _________
                        A person from the states told me that there, on a Jewish holiday, the state compensates for the costs of household gas, with which they maintain fire in their homes according to tradition ...
                  3. vka
                    vka 19 January 2020 13: 40 New
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                    I saw such stomatologists who have their own clinic, there’s nothing to brag about for sure, there are no children at all, but every half a year they go to cutters, a couple of apartments, I’m silent about cars, they’re not frail stamotologists, there’s nothing to brag about, oh, Putin is to blame for this if Boska is sick! !!
                2. ltc35 19 January 2020 19: 11 New
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                  She is a wife, mother and keeper. Respect for her is no less than that of her father-breadwinner. Do not be rude to women. One of them gave birth to you.
              2. Lexus 17 January 2020 12: 45 New
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                Look at all the national republics, where the birth rate is on top. They live mainly in their homes and the woman does not work (takes care of the family).

                All these national republics are sitting with their legs dangling on multibillion-dollar subsidies and preferences from the federal budget. Why work if "= ^ ^ = helps"? And what to do in your free time, except for "what are you saying"? laughing Do not "Litter TV" to watch.
                Deserted Russia: to whom shall we say thank you?

                "... Tell me, what is his name? ..." / "The Adventures of Pinocchio", film, 1975 6 + /
            2. Victor N 17 January 2020 18: 01 New
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              How to solve the demographic problem?
              Material support of the state is good, but not enough, but for any small thing it is permissible only to thank, otherwise - obscenity.
              But another thing is more important: it is necessary to form in society a relation to childless (and later to small children) negative attitude, as to inferior ones. Whatever the reason. And the most negative - to women. This should be done professionally by clergy and cultural figures. There is a field of activity for the state: do not accept childless after 30 years in the civil service and in educational institutions. Perhaps in other budgetary institutions. Introduce tax on childless since 25 years. In the regions depressed from the point of view of demography (from regions to villages) to create funds to support families with children, the funds of which are formed through voluntary contributions (but can you try that?),
              I'm not evil, but the rigidity is due to the severity of the problem.
              1. New Year day 17 January 2020 22: 24 New
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                Quote: Victor N
                I'm not evil, but the rigidity is due to the severity of the problem.

                before,
                Quote: Victor N
                Introduce tax on childless since 25 years.

                bother to employ all under 25 years of age, provide housing (any form of ownership) and nursery-kindergartens.
                Question: where are 25 million new jobs from Putin? We are looking forward to the 10th year
                Quote: Victor N
                There is a field of activity for the state: do not accept childless after 30 years in the civil service and in educational institutions.


                Art. 19 Constitution
                2. The state guarantees the equality of human and civil rights and freedoms regardless of gender, race, nationality, language, origin, property and official status, place of residence, attitude to religion, beliefs, membership in public associations, and other circumstances. Any form of restriction of the rights of citizens on grounds of social, racial, national, linguistic or religious affiliation is prohibited.
                I understand that the time has come to twirl it, but not to such an extent laughing
                1. Victor N 18 January 2020 12: 04 New
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                  What absurdity is “bother to provide”? The function of procreation is inherent in all living things, parents are involved in the offspring, outside help is an exception. There is no contradiction with the Constitution, and if necessary, it can be changed. It is necessary to stir up society, to update public morality. Tighten your intellect, offer something. Begging for help is not enough; other measures are needed. WE ourselves can do a lot. For example, systematically expressing a negative attitude towards childless in the circle of friends ......
                  1. New Year day 18 January 2020 12: 12 New
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                    Quote: Victor N
                    What absurdity is “bother to provide”?

                    because jobs are created by the state.
                    Quote: Victor N
                    It is necessary to stir up society, to update public morality.

                    society began to move after the promised 25 million jobs, pension reform and the rest of the lies
                    1. Vadim237 18 January 2020 14: 17 New
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                      The state does not create jobs; it creates businesses, and 25 million jobs - in May decrees are written as existing IP and created, as a calculation, for the future.
                      1. New Year day 18 January 2020 14: 32 New
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                        Quote: Vadim237
                        May decrees spell out IP as existing and created, as a calculation, for the future.

                        therefore, according to the results of the first half of 2019, the number of employees of small and medium enterprises decreased by 1,6% a year to year (more than 257 thousand employees), and in all federal districts.
                        The number of small and medium enterprises declined by 7–8% year-on-year (by 18,2 thousand small enterprises and 1,5 thousand medium). laughing
                        Good perspective, don’t you? laughing
              2. starik80 17 January 2020 23: 55 New
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                Then let's not take in officials if you did not serve the army? etc. so you can go far. This is not the problem; nobody sees stability tomorrow. In Russia there are working beggars and there are not 10% and not 20% of these.
                1. Ingvar 72 18 January 2020 19: 34 New
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                  Then let's not take in officials if you did not serve the army?

                  Absolutely the right approach. Moreover, I would forbid officials to take non-indigenous nationalities. For they have their own, national state, even if they serve as officials.
            3. New Year day 17 January 2020 22: 20 New
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              Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
              So not money is the reason for high birth rates, but ideology!

              in our state there is no ideology, officially. But there is a golden calf ideology.
              1. Golovan Jack 17 January 2020 22: 23 New
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                Quote: Silvestr
                in our state there is no ideology, officially

                We have a ban on establishing any ideology as a state.

                This does not mean that there is no ideology in the state. It only means that for disagreeing with this ideology you will not be put in jail.

                Which you, by the way, do with might and main. Doctor wink
              2. starik80 17 January 2020 23: 57 New
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                As accurately written, nothing more.
            4. IS-80_RVGK2 18 January 2020 15: 01 New
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              So you propose to feed the children with ideology? I doubt that children on such a diet will live long.
          2. antivirus 17 January 2020 22: 23 New
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            And in fact, we will slowly die out. Just because there is no money for it. And will not be.


            -Happiness is not in money and not in their quantity, but in the ability not to depend on them
        2. Victor jnnjdfy 17 January 2020 06: 42 New
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          For 67 kopecks. there was an elite sausage. Some kind of "beef". All called her "dog joy" and gave her a kilo in hand. The blood and liver were much cheaper, but these sausages and domestic cats did not always eat. At least we always had sour cream. And in some Dedovichi (Pskov region) at 6 in the morning there was already a line for milk.
          From the meat factory everyone stole and resold their own. They didn’t say “we steal”, but “wear”. So it was, Nonna the storyteller.
          Moscow was good. And I brought the “doctor’s” to Belarus to relatives from St. Petersburg.
        3. Deck 17 January 2020 06: 52 New
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          Smoked sausage was everywhere, especially in cooperative stores


          What cooperative stores? What are the cooperators before 1987? Sane?
          1. Odysseus 17 January 2020 07: 22 New
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            Quote: Deck
            What cooperative stores? What are the cooperators before 1987? Sane?

            I suppose we mean the system of consumer cooperation, and not those cooperatives that appeared as part of market reforms. There were such shops. But those cooperatives that you are talking about really appeared in 1988.
            1. EvilLion 17 January 2020 08: 11 New
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              Production cooperatives were liquidated by Nikita Khrushch in 1960, after which a shortage came to the USSR.
              1. Odysseus 17 January 2020 08: 22 New
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                Quote: EvilLion
                Production cooperatives were liquidated by Nikita Khrushch in 1960, after which a shortage came to the USSR.

                Consumer cooperation, not production. These are different things. Arteli, then, eliminated Khrushchev by 1960.
              2. Sergej1972 17 January 2020 10: 32 New
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                Consumer cooperatives, unlike commercial ones, were not liquidated. Also, artisanal artels and artisans have not been eliminated.
                1. New Year day 17 January 2020 22: 32 New
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                  Quote: Sergej1972
                  Consumer cooperatives, unlike commercial ones, were not liquidated.

          2. Boris55 17 January 2020 07: 24 New
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            Quote: Deck
            What cooperative stores? What are the cooperators before 1987? Sane?

            Photo documents show:
          3. Nonna 17 January 2020 07: 27 New
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            Perty (what is the nickname?) They didn’t - didn’t hear about consumer cooperatives? So strain the remnants of your gray matter go at least to Wikipedia
            1. Deck 17 January 2020 09: 04 New
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              Perty (what is the nickname?)


              Name. Better than the nickname Nonna laughing
              I don’t have to go to Wikipedia. Since the sixties I go to shops in Leningrad. Keep your fabulous fantasies with you.
              1. Sergej1972 17 January 2020 10: 37 New
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                Have you ever seen grocery stores? Raipo, general store, in the cities of co-trade. Members of consumer cooperatives had shares, regular meetings were held. Mainly consumer goods stores were located in rural areas and small towns, but also in large cities were along with state-owned shops. Also, the so-called collective farm markets were part of this system.
                1. Deck 17 January 2020 11: 23 New
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                  Have you ever seen grocery stores?


                  Alas, there are no three revolutions in the proletarian city. Collective farm markets as a source of sausage? I doubt that she was there at all, unlike meat. And the prices there were not for ordinary Soviet people
                  1. Sergej1972 17 January 2020 11: 58 New
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                    A distinctive feature of the consumer cooperation store was in the inscription COOP.
          4. cradle 17 January 2020 08: 33 New
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            our young friend ... they were! I give a tooth! Another issue is not flourishing. Then yes. And ischo was a cooperative housing, but this is already to the author’s note. For which the people were betraying their hard-earned money. And not everything was so rosy in the USSR. But the main thing was what is not right now, JUSTICE.
            1. knn54 17 January 2020 10: 17 New
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              I didn’t agree about prosperity. For example, the Bulgarian magnificent wine Kom, Portuguese port could only be bought at the copter. Queues were arranged for the Stepnaya sausage. And this was in Poltava, where there was GREAT produce from a local meat factory. And the most delicious bread was at the bakery YuZHD.i lemonade. Which made the kitchen-dining at the INDUSTRIAL enterprises of Kharkov.
              In 1981, in one of the district centers of Uzbekistan (Andijan region) in a store. at the entrance, hung a lease with a PRIVATE person
            2. Sergej1972 17 January 2020 10: 39 New
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              Why didn’t they flourish? And the set of food products was often better than in the state trade, and the salaries of sellers and other staff were not bad.
            3. Dmitry V. 21 January 2020 09: 49 New
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              Quote: besik
              But the main thing was what is not right now, JUSTICE.


              I clarify - justice for equals - for hard workers.

              But the party nomenclature — workers of executive committees, regional committees, party committees, district committees — were fed from a parallel supply system and there was a truly communist paradise in terms of prices and an abundance of products and goods — Zhvanetsky also wrote beautifully about such a warehouse for nomenclature, and Kartsev and Ilchenko performed in miniature "Warehouse".


              Our relative worked in this supply system for the "chosen ones" - let's say the head of the warehouse at the regional level :))

              My father flew to the Civil Air Fleet and there was money, but there’s nothing to buy from them.
              As the winner of the social competition, the crew was allocated one car, by lot, my father got the opportunity to buy a VAZ-2103.
              When, after a few years, the wheels were needed (the old ones were worn out), it was a terrible deficit - and only through a relative in the special supply system was it possible to get the much-needed goods ...
              That is, there was no justice when two supply systems were in place - worse for the people and luxurious for the "people's servants."
          5. Old Michael 17 January 2020 09: 25 New
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            What are the cooperators before 1987?

            Ask Yandex what types of property were in the USSR.
            Including there was such a thing as consumer cooperation. Prices in these stores were three to four times higher than in state.
            Not a minus - not at all.
            1. Deck 17 January 2020 09: 34 New
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              You are not interested in Yandex, but with your parents or grandmother. They will tell you about the "abundance" in 70-80 years. Well, about cooperative stores laughing
            2. Sergej1972 17 January 2020 10: 53 New
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              Well, let's say, bread and milk were sold at the same price as in the state trade. And in rural areas, all convenience stores belonged to consumer cooperation, there were no state-owned shops there. Consumer cooperatives had their own bakeries and enterprises, she was engaged in the purchase, along with state procurement enterprises, of agricultural raw materials from personal subsidiary plots with its subsequent processing and sale. Collective farms also, after fulfilling the state plan task, could sell part of the production to the consumer cooperation system. This was sometimes more profitable than directly trading collective farm products on the market. Yes, and state agricultural enterprises, state farms, also had the opportunity to cooperate with consumer cooperative enterprises.
            3. Ross xnumx 19 January 2020 04: 31 New
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              Prices in these stores were three to four times higher than in state.

              I hate lying. If you didn’t buy, if you remembered, but forgot, if you never had the need to buy cooperative goods, what is the use of meddling with your mossy knowledge?
              In general, prices for consumer goods were higher, but not as high as at flea markets ...
              It was there that the first Soviet “knowledge” in business was “polished” speculators businessmen. It was there that products and goods were sold at inflated prices.
              1. Old Michael 19 January 2020 11: 20 New
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                why the hell out of meddling with your mossy knowledge?

                There was such a store on a nearby street. Prices for clothes I do not remember. Meat 8-10 rubles. (more expensive than in the market), Kiev sausage (uncooked smoked) - 11 with a penny.
                And why would you, in your opinion, come up with this? Didn’t get enough sleep?
                1. Ross xnumx 19 January 2020 11: 39 New
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                  Quote: OldMichael
                  sausage type "Kiev" (raw smoked)

                  We lived in different Soviet states. You are in Kievskaya, and I in Kievsky ...
                  Raw smoked Kiev ... wassat IN USSR? Well, yes, yes ... During the Gorbachev cooperatives ...
                  Read the memories of people from the Soviet era:
                  I also remember some sorts of sausage from Soviet times. Of boiled varieties was Doctor's и Diabetic. I really liked these varieties. There was also boiled sausage with fat Russian и Amateur. I didn’t like it. It was put in my head: everything that bears the name "amateur" is intended for the amateur. There were sausages Dairy и teahouse, Ostankino и Linguistic, Veal и Ham. There was still a square sausage like a loaf of bread. In my opinion, it was called meat tea bread or something like that.
                  From half-smoked varieties remember Tallinn, Krakow и Poltava.
                  From smoked - Soviet и Maikop. And in the restaurants of Caucasian cuisine you could buy sudzhuk. This is an Armenian jerky sausage. Divine taste. Basturma was also purchased there.
                  And I also remember how delicious was boiled-smoked ham and smoked balyk.
                  1. Old Michael 19 January 2020 11: 53 New
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                    You are right, a mistake has come out. Not “Kievskaya” (this is half-smoked), but “Ukrainian”. 4 rubles were brought from Moscow.
                2. Karen 19 January 2020 16: 49 New
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                  Approved, added: a simple tin of rabbit meat cost 5 grouse in the Consumer Co-operation ...
          6. Vikxnumx 17 January 2020 10: 00 New
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            What cooperative stores? What are the cooperators before 1987? Sane?

            Ordinary. In 1987, the price (in Stavropol) for smoked sausage there started from 3-50 ... But there wasn’t any cooked there.
            Yes, and the liver should not be found fault. It was quite tasty (with us).
          7. Sergej1972 17 January 2020 10: 29 New
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            Consumer cooperation system led by the Central Union of the USSR. Until now, consumer cooperation exists, although in a greatly reduced form.
          8. antivirus 17 January 2020 22: 28 New
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            everything is bad and cannot be corrected — read liberals' articles to no purpose, you need to talk to the old people, sausages were needed in the cities - in the village, in addition to buckets and salt-sugar matches (natural households), there was NOTHING ANYTHING to be made. The cow was left to be left to the neighbors ( conditionally) permits were handed in - "to the south". see "Love and Pigeons".
            further only your knowledge will help about 60-80 years
        4. Loess 17 January 2020 08: 18 New
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          Quote: Nonna
          Smoked sausage was everywhere

          Do you now understand the word "everywhere" large cities? Because in the little ones it WASN’T.
          1. KERMET 17 January 2020 09: 43 New
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            In my 120 thousand city in cooptorg was, and the store was small (in the basement) and there were a lot of smoked sausages in it
        5. Ratmir_Ryazan 17 January 2020 09: 22 New
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          Everywhere there was sausage in the USSR ?!

          In the 70s, my mother and grandmother went to Moscow from the Tambov Region to go to school to buy polto. Like everyone else.

          In the 80s, everyone went to Moscow to buy children for the New Year.

          And Muscovites such as we called - bagmakers. We are residents of central Russia, producing goods and foodstuffs, who were forced to travel to Moscow for them, since we had nothing to buy but bread and pasta and still received a derogatory nickname for this.

          That's where the humiliation was.

          And then the USSR also sold oil and gas and metals and sold everything else.
          1. Freeman 17 January 2020 13: 47 New
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            Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
            In the 70s, my mother and grandmother went to Moscow from the Tambov Region to go to school to buy polto. Like everyone else.


            It remains only to add. what did they go for fashionable coat, not because. that there were no clothes at all in local stores.
            It was only produced by enterprises belonging to the so-called "local industry" - which froze in its development at the level of the 50-60s.
            And the people no longer needed just "solid", but "fashionable and beautiful" things.

            Threat. Alas, the USSR was by no means perfect.
            1. Ratmir_Ryazan 17 January 2020 14: 09 New
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              It remains only to add. because they went for a "fashionable" coat, and not because. that there were no clothes at all in local stores.


              My mother lived in a village - Kulevatovo, Sosnovsky district, Tambov region, her parents were collective farmers and the last thing that she, a senior school girl, was worried about this fashion.

              There was nothing to buy even in Tambov, therefore, they went to Moscow.

              The USSR in terms of providing the population with goods and services was simply a shame. And the ruling party, that is, the CPSU, is responsible for this.

              And now the Communists do not even see their own fault for this, that they brought the people to poverty, and the country to collapse.
              1. Freeman 17 January 2020 14: 42 New
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                Ratmir_Ryazan Today, 14:09 PM
                There was nothing to buy even in Tambov, therefore, they went to Moscow.

                Forgive me, for the sake of completeness, will you tell me the time period when the situation described by you had been? hi
                Threat. In my commentary, I was referring to the mid-late 70s situation.
                1. Ratmir_Ryazan 17 January 2020 15: 17 New
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                  It is precisely the mid-70s.
                  1. Freeman 17 January 2020 16: 55 New
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                    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                    It is precisely the mid-70s.

                    Thank you for your reply.
                    Although the "Internet", to some extent and confirms your words
                    By the beginning of the 80s, only 28% of production in the field of production accounted for consumer goods. The problem of providing the population with consumer goods has become aggravated.
                    A source:
                    History of the Tambov region. Textbook for grades 7-9 of educational institutions. Tambov 2007
                    http://kursak.net/istoriya-tambovskogo-kraya/19/
                    © kursak.net

                    Still, I remain in my opinion.
              2. IS-80_RVGK2 18 January 2020 15: 06 New
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                Do non-communists see it?
              3. Ross xnumx 19 January 2020 04: 42 New
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                Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                and the last thing her school high school, this mod was worried.

                I see that the last thing that interested you was studying.
                Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                The USSR in terms of providing the population with goods and services was simply a shame.

                You are talking about the RSFSR now. Because they did not go to Moscow from the same Union republics for sausage and "polts".
                Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                And now the Communists do not even see their own fault for this, that they brought the people to poverty, and the country to collapse.

                Not only that, at one time they joined the Communist Party only to rise up the career ladder. So today, condemning the communist past with all its nuances, they carefully store party tickets in the tables (just in case) ...
        6. Varyag71 17 January 2020 10: 29 New
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          This is an old Jew, it seems.
          1. kiril1246 18 January 2020 10: 07 New
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            Quote: Varyag71
            This is an old Jew, it seems.

            Well, yes, Israel is to blame.
        7. Blacksmith 55 17 January 2020 10: 46 New
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          Nonna, I don’t evaluate life by sausage variety, but ... she (sausage) was in Moscow and large cities.
          You write: she was everywhere. This is not true, not true.

          Now on the topic. It might be better to pay almost the same money instead of the capital, but on a monthly basis.
          1. Sergej1972 17 January 2020 12: 08 New
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            Cooked sausage was almost everywhere.
            1. New Year day 17 January 2020 22: 35 New
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              Quote: Sergej1972
              Cooked sausage was almost everywhere.


              and edible, the main thing! Not hazardous to health!
        8. Anwar-oglu 17 January 2020 11: 36 New
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          nothing in the store is jammed in the refrigerator. proverb of the late 80s about the Soviet miracle
          1. New Year day 17 January 2020 22: 38 New
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            Quote: Anvar-oglu
            nothing in the store is jammed in the refrigerator

            and no one was starving to death! Who saw in the USSR living at the trash?
            1. Golovan Jack 17 January 2020 23: 12 New
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              Quote: Silvestr
              Who saw in the USSR living at the trash?

              In the USSR, doctor, it was technically impossible to live from the trash:

              - if the sausage was "thrown away", it was only in the store. To the counter. With the queue and for the money.
              - food waste (if available) - was collected, such as "for feeding livestock".
              - bottles - gave up. Those who drank them. Usually.
              - but now nobody knows how to eat paper and other intruders, and then he didn’t.

              What, really did not know? wink
              1. Ross xnumx 19 January 2020 04: 45 New
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                Quote: Golovan Jack
                What, really did not know?

                I would never have thought that enlightened thoughts can also be in your head ..
                (+) fellow
            2. kiril1246 18 January 2020 10: 10 New
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              Quote: Silvestr
              Quote: Anvar-oglu
              nothing in the store is jammed in the refrigerator

              and no one was starving to death! Who saw in the USSR living at the trash?

              There were epidemics. And cholera and anthrax and other diseases in the postwar period.
              1. New Year day 18 January 2020 11: 41 New
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                Quote: kiril1246
                There were epidemics. And cholera and anthrax and other diseases in the postwar period.

                now the incidence of tuberculosis is several times higher than the Soviet level
          2. Lekz 18 January 2020 01: 27 New
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            Then you should think about the nature of this Soviet miracle. By the way, the objectivity of this "miracle" is confirmed by statistics. If now the sausage will cost 2,20, then it will also disappear from the shelves.
            1. Ross xnumx 19 January 2020 04: 51 New
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              Quote: Lekz
              By the way, the objectivity of this "miracle" is confirmed by statistics.

              For the sake of objectivity, it should be noted that in the USSR, meat was more expensive than fish (with the exception of sturgeon and salmon) and sausages. In addition, the population of the USSR was more naive, but not stupid. And did not buy "pills number 8" at inflated prices, wherever and by all means.
        9. protoss 17 January 2020 12: 23 New
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          damn, pensioners met on the forum and again spread their booth for 300 comments about Soviet sausage. go to the forum of the Russian Pension Fund, old man, do not litter the air. well, really, have a conscience.
          1. antivirus 17 January 2020 22: 33 New
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            go to the pension fund forum grew

            go cook sausage. all in a sausage.
            to consider life bad without sausage - Ales Kaput
          2. New Year day 17 January 2020 22: 39 New
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            Quote: protoss
            pensioners met on the forum

            very young? So youth is a vice that passes very quickly, and some people don’t come of old age; they remain forever young laughing
      2. Boris55 17 January 2020 07: 21 New
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        Quote: Victor Jnnjdfy
        He did not stand in the long queue under the USSR

        You forgot to say that the stores worked until 19:00, and the work ended at 17-18 hours. In these one or two hours, when people drove straight from work to shops and queues formed, and if something did not have time or forgot, then to the neighbor there for salt, for matches. When I got older, my parents often left me money and after school I went to the shops with the list and imagine - I didn’t see any line.
        1. Victor jnnjdfy 17 January 2020 07: 29 New
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          Do not invent about 19 hours. So the department stores worked, not the grocery ones. In the afternoon, food shops were surrounded by retirees, and large enterprises had “orders” for workers.
          Matches and cans of seaweed and a "tourist breakfast" were always on hand at the stores. Perhaps your parents sent you to them?
          1. Boris55 17 January 2020 08: 04 New
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            Quote: Victor Jnnjdfy
            Do not invent about 19 hours.

            I do not invent. It could have been different in the capitals, but I did not live there.

            Quote: Victor Jnnjdfy
            Matches and cans of seaweed and a "tourist breakfast" were always on hand at the stores. Perhaps your parents sent you to them?

            Photo documents show:


            1. Mestny 17 January 2020 08: 39 New
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              Photo from the newspaper Pravda?
              Well then, all is pointless to argue.
              You can still see the official Soviet statistics. Or read the speech of the Secretary General at the next congress.
              Everything is true 100%.
              1. Boris55 17 January 2020 08: 48 New
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                Quote: Mestny
                Well then, all is pointless to argue.

                Yes, the difference between the Stalinist USSR and Gorbachevsky is striking, but the Gorbachevsky USSR was no longer a state of the working people, it was a state of party nomenclature who dreamed of becoming bourgeois.

                Under Stalin:


                For 40 years, the uninhabited Trotskyists brought the country to a hilt:



                It’s a pity that there weren’t enough ice axes at all ...
                1. Vadim237 18 January 2020 14: 25 New
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                  The first photo is where they shot in the city or is it a rural store like that?
              2. Servisinzhener 17 January 2020 09: 40 New
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                Recently there was an article with livestock indicators. So according to the graphs, one of the highest rates was in 89-90. And many times higher than now. And this is with empty shelves in stores.
                https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/129239/
                1. Vadim237 18 January 2020 14: 28 New
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                  You forgot about the needing 120 world dependents that in the 80s continued to sit on the neck of the USSR - this is the question of where all the meat and all the products from the store shelves went.
              3. Freeman 17 January 2020 13: 14 New
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                Quote: Mestny
                Photo from the newspaper Pravda?
                Well then, all is pointless to argue.


                Well no. Pictures are completely attributed.

                1.
                Railway store. photo of the early 1960s
                Until the early 1990s, it was near the railway crossing on 1st Rybnaya Street. Now in its place the Mayak shopping center has been built. The store was considered one of the best in assortment of goods.

                Threat. City Sergiev Posad. The "people's" name of the Zheleznodorozhny store says that it was part of the OPC system and the supply there was akin to KOOPTORGovsky.
                Again, the shooting period, the beginning of the 60s - there was a product, there was not enough money.

                2.
                Lviv shop of the 50s.

                Threat. A situation akin to the one above.
          2. Anwar-oglu 17 January 2020 11: 52 New
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            The order system was created specifically for large cities and for large enterprises. This form was created in order to ensure improved qualified living conditions for the necessary qualified, highly qualified cadres, and especially the authorities from among the party, Soviet, and military bureaucracies. in rural areas, in small and medium-sized cities, in small and medium-sized enterprises, they have not heard of any orders. I heard about orders in the sixties, seventies, eighties, but I met with these orders only at the end of the eighties, when I studied at the academy in Moscow. then I saw them and this ordering system. But this was already the era of the man-made crisis of the USSR, when the Gorbachevs and accomplices sought to provoke a negative attitude towards the Soviet regime.
        2. Odysseus 17 January 2020 07: 32 New
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          Quote: Boris55
          When I got older, my parents often left me money and after school I went to the shops with the list and imagine - I didn’t see any line.

          Absolutely right. Plus, even then, all the people worked or studied, and not as you now leave in a large city at any time on the street, there are a lot of people. What are all these people doing? But God knows him smile
          1. Galleon 17 January 2020 09: 54 New
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            Odysseus, I will give you another example. At one time (the end of the 80s) passed by the Strait of Singapore and was surprised that in the town of Singapore, television did not work until 17.00 - at all. Because you have to work, not watch TV. If you need something - turn on the radio - that's the reason.
        3. polar fox 17 January 2020 08: 25 New
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          Quote: Boris55
          You forgot to say that the stores worked until 19:00, and the work ended at 17-18 hours.

          our shops worked until 20 o’clock, and work finished at 16.40. yes and there were no wild lines.
          1. Victor jnnjdfy 17 January 2020 09: 42 New
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            Our sales teams worked on weekdays until 21:20, and on weekends until 20 hours. Small shops up to 16 hours. There were no wild lines for any meat sets (for soup). And if they gave chickens one by one in their hands, then they quickly ended. Although it had its own poultry farm. That bread was always 18 or XNUMX cents. Pig farmers bought it in large quantities.
            Wild lines were in the vegetable stall for potatoes (Belarus). People in the season were purchased for the winter.
          2. Vikxnumx 17 January 2020 10: 01 New
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            And a grocery store on duty was present.
          3. Maki Avellevich 17 January 2020 12: 53 New
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            Quote: polar fox
            our shops worked until 20 o’clock, and work finished at 16.40. yes and there were no wild lines.

            I remember about the Kandra in the 80s
            in our store then, Extra salt and birch sap of an unknown date of birth were stable

        4. antivirus 17 January 2020 22: 34 New
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          Do not scare the young, really overthrow the existing system after learning the truth "in the USSR, sausage was cheaper"
          1. Vadim237 18 January 2020 14: 29 New
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            It was only with this cheap sausage that they began to chemicalize from the 68th year.
            1. Beringovsky 19 January 2020 00: 07 New
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              Well, compared to modern chemistry, this is a kindergarten.
              Now any inexpensive product is stuffed with it to the eyeballs, otherwise it will simply be inedible.
              It is not for nothing that oncology of the gastrointestinal tract in the country has been growing at the Stakhanov pace, + 40% only since 2010.
              Children are all sick.
        5. Ross xnumx 19 January 2020 05: 01 New
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          Quote: Boris55
          You forgot to say that the stores worked until 19:00, and the work ended at 17-18 hours.

          Do not duplicate nonsense. Grocery stores were open from 08.00 to 21.00. Manufactured goods - from 11.00 to 20.00. You still forgot to say about public transport, which worked until 23.00 ... About duty (night) shops (though in big cities). About a taxi with a landing rate of 20 kopecks and a fare of 10 kopecks. / 1 km.
          If you start arguing, you can watch episodes in the film "The meeting place cannot be changed," "Moscow does not believe in tears ..."
          And there were also home kitchens where they sold convenience foods, for the convenience and time saving of housewives ...
      3. Flooding 17 January 2020 09: 20 New
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        Quote: Victor Jnnjdfy
        The author, it seems to me, is relatively young and not far off.

        As for youth, you are very mistaken.
        But this does not guarantee against erroneous views.
      4. Edik 17 January 2020 10: 01 New
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        Quote: Victor Jnnjdfy
        The author, it seems to me, is relatively young and not far off.

        The author poured a lot of water! But did not write explicit ...
        The fact that this pit has long been predicted!
        It’s just that in 90 there were few fools to give birth to, and many people of reproductive age died from drugs, alcohol, banditry!
        Now it's time to give birth to young people born in the nineties!
        And they were born an order of magnitude smaller! Here is the pit ..
        1. Ross xnumx 19 January 2020 05: 12 New
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          Quote: Edik
          The author poured a lot of water!

          But the author does not pour bile and lies ...
          Quote: Edik
          The fact that this pit has long been predicted!

          Do you work in a bureau of fabulous forecasts?
          Quote: Edik
          But did not write explicit ...

          That's right ... My maternal grandmother had six children. Year of birth: 1935, 1938, 1945, 1949, 1951, 1954 ...
          No pit of the 90s is responsible for the birth rate of 1,5, when, in order to preserve the nation, social scientists-theorists recommend 1,7 ... belay
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            Quote: ROSS 42
            ..My maternal grandmother had six children. Year of birth: 1935, 1938, 1945, 1949, 1951, 1954 ...

            Your grandmother lived orders of magnitude worse than people live now and not what, gave birth, raised to her feet and did not whine through forums like you!
      5. Anwar-oglu 17 January 2020 11: 31 New
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        Yes, about mothercapital. This mat capital actually is the support of people who do not need housing, and the redistribution of finances is still by the same bankers. this mothercapital is stored in a bank. the bank only draws up this mat capital to pay for investments in housing construction, but the money from the bank as it was received there does not go out of there anymore. therefore, to the question: mother capital for people or for bankers, people have a gut sense that this is for bankers, because these are all problems with housing.
        In the USSR, in reality, people received free housing, not after 20 years, as some spiteful critics write, but in 3-5, or even less years. And the quality of housing improved greatly in the eighties. The construction program, which almost no one recalls, which was adopted in the eighties, was successfully implemented with Gorbachev. and if not for that damned Yeltsin, then in 5-10 years, that is, in 95 - 2000, the housing program would really have been completed, and for the first time in the history of mankind, all Soviet people would have received a normal separate apartment. but in the ninetieth year the market came, construction was stopped, seized by cunning people, and then the people, the impoverished people, were offered to buy apartments at market prices. Without giving people the opportunity to earn the appropriate salary, as we see now. with the entire thirty-year market in Russia, the bulk of the population lives on 10-20.000. and even at an average salary of 40-60.000, it’s simply a trick of statistics: when someone in the hospital is eating chicken, while someone is watching, and on average, everyone is provided and even not bad
        1. Vadim237 18 January 2020 14: 36 New
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          In the USSR, people really got housing for free. Well, you tell the guys, they still live in the barracks built in 1929 and in the construction villages in the converted railway tanks and outbuildings in the 60s in the USSR and Russia there is nothing more permanent than temporary housing and so, so there was no need to talk about any implementation of the program for the resettlement of people until 2000. Now, a program for relocation from dilapidated and dilapidated housing throughout Russia needs several trillion rubles and a minimum of 10 years.
          1. Beringovsky 19 January 2020 00: 15 New
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            Yes of course laughing
            Then you drive through provincial cities, big and small - everywhere mostly housing was built in the Soviet era. 90% live in it.
            But 2% of the apartment has several hundred square meters, and not one at a time, plus a couple of houses of three thousand square meters, and also not one at a time. Here is the average figure and elongated.
            As they say, some eat meat, others cabbage, and on average everyone eats stuffed cabbage.
          2. Ross xnumx 19 January 2020 05: 26 New
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            Well, you tell the guys this, koi still live in barracks built in 1929 and in construction villages in converted railway tanks and extensions to them from the 60s

            So what? Who is this spotty (to a lesser extent), alcohol-dependent and fabulous who destroyed the program for providing USSR citizens with housing?
            Tell us the truth how production ties in "free Russia" were destroyed, and how after that mono-cities and towns were abandoned to the mercy of enterprises, in which enterprises disappeared. military units, production, state farms, collective farms and other forms of management and property ...
            In the USSR, people had a hard time just because the lion's share of building materials went to the construction of military facilities and to help the "brothers." And do not hait the housing system of the USSR. She was better than the one that exists today. At the same time, the party leadership and officials did not build palaces for themselves, because of which citizens were forced to huddle in barracks ...
      6. AleBors 18 January 2020 09: 10 New
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        I don’t recall long lines of sausage.
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          Many GD there were no lines, no sausages.
      7. erofich 18 January 2020 13: 38 New
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        And it seems to me that you, dear confuse the time of perestroika and later with the time of the USSR.
        1. AleBors 18 January 2020 16: 03 New
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          During the restructuring, I already graduated from school. So I remember perfectly. There were lines for imported footwear and furniture; there was a shortage of some goods. If desired, much could be "got" using dating. Getting it was some kind of sport)) But so that there were interruptions with the sausage, I don’t remember. At that time, we often traveled, and so, even in the very last general store, sausage was. Not 200 varieties, of course ...
          1. Ross xnumx 19 January 2020 05: 36 New
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            Quote: AleBors
            During the restructuring, I already graduated from school. So I remember perfectly. There were lines for imported footwear and furniture; there was a shortage of some goods.

            In the USSR in different republics, regions and cities, PEOPLE LIVED DIFFERENTLY !!!
            Window dressing in Moscow (such as people in the whole country live this way) only affected the supply of regions (territories and regions) of the RSFSR. IT'S TRUE! THIS IS REALLY SO! as well as the fact that when in the RSFSR stores they sold vodka by coupons, in Ukraine and other republics it simply stood on the shelves.
            And the shortage of goods was created in such a way that everything was pulled from the province to the center, and speculators carried everything back from the center at inflated prices. IT WAS!!! You can ask the conductors of the Moscow-Mukho $ ransk trains (substitute any city outside the Moscow Ring Road) how and where they transported goods from the capital ...
            1. AleBors 19 January 2020 10: 15 New
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              He lived beyond the Moscow Ring Road. I often traveled to Smolensk and Rzhev. I do not remember coupons. There was no such thing. After the collapse of the USSR, yes. in 1991-92. You exaggerate.
              1. Ross xnumx 19 January 2020 11: 34 New
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                Quote: AleBors
                There was no such thing. After the collapse of the USSR, yes. in 1991-92. You exaggerate.

                Do not remember? Was there no coupon with the HMS or were the RSFSR abolished? There were coupons for cigarettes too ...
                1. AleBors 19 January 2020 15: 56 New
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                  There was no such thing. Nowhere. Not with anyone. Even the granny in the village was selling a smoke freely. Don't talk.
      8. Cyrus 19 January 2020 11: 34 New
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        I was born in the USSR and studied in it and grew up, but I did not stand behind sausage, you lie.
    2. Sentinel-vs 17 January 2020 06: 26 New
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      Skomorokhov has all the articles. If he writes about us, then everything was bad, there is and will be even worse. If he writes about Western countries or Western technology, everything is in ecstatic vanilla colors.
      1. Greenwood 17 January 2020 06: 34 New
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        Quote: Sentinel-vs
        If he writes about Western countries or Western technology, everything is in ecstatic vanilla colors.
        And here everything is simple. Every year, a quarter of a million Russians fill out an application for an American green card. I know several people who do this regularly. One was even lucky with his wife moved to Seattle. A few of my friends, acquaintances and classmates moved to Australia, Japan and even China. I think that each person will easily find among his relatives, friends, acquaintances, classmates or colleagues a couple of those who have left. Is this not evidence that something is wrong in the Russian state, where 53% of young people dream of screwing up.
        But the Americans, Australians or Japanese for some reason do not seek to move by hook or by crook to Russia. By type of work, I often encounter and communicate with the Chinese and Japanese, many of them study and work in Russia, learn the Russian language, but in the end, after a couple of years, they still go back to their homeland to find Russian language skills there Good work.
        1. Servisinzhener 17 January 2020 09: 43 New
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          where 53% of young people dream of screwing
          According to the results of social surveys in which they ask: Do you want to go abroad?
          1. New Year day 17 January 2020 22: 47 New
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            Quote: Servisinzhener
            According to the results of social surveys in which they ask: Do you want to go abroad?

            real numbers, although you won’t believe them either:
            About 4,5 million people have emigrated from Russia over the past 26 years, the Committee on Civil Initiatives said, presenting on Thursday a report on emigration from Russia in the late XX-early XXI centuries.
            “From 1989 to 2015, according to Rosstat, about 4,5 million people left the Russian Federation. According to foreign statistics, in 2015, 1,5 million people — citizens of the Russian Federation — live in the most migratory popular countries with Russians,” the report said. .
            "in order to get a real idea of ​​the extent of emigration, Rosstat data must be increased 3-4 times."
            According to Rosstat, in 2015, 353 people left Russia. But this figure cannot be trusted. It includes everyone who has deregistered in Russia, and these are mainly labor migrants from the CIS (they worked and left for home).

        2. Sentinel-vs 17 January 2020 18: 43 New
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          I recently read a good story about immigration.
          https://fishki.net/3199049-vau-jeffekt-rozovye-ochki-ssha-ozhidanie-i-realynosty-glazami-russkogo.html
          An oddly weighted comment is given there. And how many of those who came for the pink place and who were disappointed?
      2. Stas157 17 January 2020 06: 52 New
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        Quote: Sentinel-vs
        Skomorokhov has all the articles. If he writes about us, then everything was bad, there is and will be even worse. .

        Some have no articles at all. Only lamentations under the articles of Skomorokhov. The novel has already been announced, you see differently - write, the novel will publish.
        1. Lexus 17 January 2020 13: 03 New
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          Remember how the cat Matroskin said: "We have the means, we have not enough mind."
          Who, if not the authors of VO, should be blamed for this? laughing Not a TV. You won’t get hold of such "good" there, there is a completely different "substance" there.
          1. Stas157 17 January 2020 13: 12 New
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            Quote: lexus
            Who, if not the authors of VO, should be blamed for this?

            Those who usually urge everyone not to whine under the articles of Roman themselves whine. So much so that it’s just howling! And Roman - well done (takes a hit on himself), the most widely read and discussed author in VO! He writes on the most pressing, sick, but relevant topics. It is clear that there are many spiteful critics here!
      3. New Year day 17 January 2020 22: 51 New
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        Quote: Sentinel-vs
        If he writes about us, then everything was bad, there is and will be even worse.

        then you will like Peskov with your pearls ..

      4. Ross xnumx 19 January 2020 05: 41 New
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        Quote: Sentinel-vs
        Skomorokhov has all the articles. If he writes about us, then everything was bad, there is and will be even worse.

        Skomorokhov has all the articles true. If he writes about us, he wants to pay attention to different aspects of life, comparing the present and the past in order to find the optimal solution to problems - a solution that he does not see in the existing order.
        But you do not read his articles and this proposal. There are many letters and punctuation marks ... wassat
    3. YOUR 17 January 2020 07: 01 New
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      I’m annoyed by the same thing, but here are comments like yours. Everything is lost, everything will die, sees what he wants to see.
      The author wrote cited examples, numbers, statistics, just refute it in the same way. And do not breed empty empty blah blah blah.
    4. Siberian 17 January 2020 07: 57 New
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      I work as a statistician in a children's hospital (state), the birth rate has actually fallen, even with the participation of Asian citizens (Tajiks, mainly). And does not rise. Moms do not want to take sick leave (the employer is not happy), and even if they have narrow specialists, they will go to examination rooms, agree to devote time to the child, and can only out of hours, there are plenty of chronicles.
      It makes no sense for a child to give life where he will obviously live in poverty, work to death (to help - pension, idiocy) and die anyway in poverty. This is social pessimism arranged by the government with its fool. Let it be for now.
      1. Klingon 17 January 2020 08: 26 New
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        but in my opinion this is the systematic destruction of the Russian people. I don’t really believe in conspiracy theory, but it seems like that. The Nazis created the KL to exterminate the Jews. everything was immediately clear there. And our figures are more sophisticated. Otherwise, how to explain everything that they have done? what kind of spirit descends into their bright heads? what thoughts roam these people in their heads? the gloom is hopeless ... but at one point I am glad that Entropy will devour them, like everything else, they will die in their own feces as well wassat
        1. starik80 18 January 2020 00: 07 New
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          For some reason, this idea also occurs to me that at the helm the followers of fascism are in a more perverse form, who are taking revenge on their winners. Less than two hundred and fifty thousand a year is essentially a lost general battle.
      2. Uncle Vanya Susanin 17 January 2020 10: 15 New
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        But the Indians do not agree with you!
      3. Victor N 17 January 2020 16: 47 New
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        A woman without children in old age is disgusting to everyone! Only the like communicate with such. And grandmothers are always loved by grandchildren. Those who are unable to ensure their own well-being are doomed to extinction. This is how society has always been, and so it will be later.
      4. New Year day 17 January 2020 22: 53 New
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        Quote: Siberian
        I work as a statistician in a children's hospital (state), the birth rate has actually fallen

        even in the "well-fed", as some say Moscow, 5 maternity hospitals are closed
    5. cradle 17 January 2020 08: 28 New
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      the author so wants to see, I will say as the father of three. hi
      1. Mestny 17 January 2020 08: 56 New
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        They are here a whole sect, in addition to the author.
        Repeat in a circle the same thing.
        It’s useless to write to them that everything is different in Russia.
        The conclusion is simple - this is such a political struggle, which, as you know, has nothing to do with the real situation.
        1. Greenwood 17 January 2020 09: 41 New
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          Quote: Mestny
          that in Russia everything is different - it’s useless
          Differently?
          Is there a drop in fertility? On the face. Is there an excess of mortality over birth rate? On the face. Is there a decrease in the number of schools, clinics, kindergartens? On the face.
          There you have it in different ways.
          1. Victor N 17 January 2020 16: 53 New
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            And who is to blame? Those millions of villains who do not pay taxes do not deduct to the PF, but require social benefits and pensions. And then the government.
            1. 2 Level Advisor 17 January 2020 22: 41 New
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              Victor, do you think there are many idiots of 20-25 years who, seeing the situation with pensions over the past 20 years, are burning to take money to the Pension Fund with a life expectancy of just 65 years? laughing First, people must EXACTLY know that it makes sense to work on this pension, but there are problems with this ..
              1. Victor N 18 January 2020 12: 16 New
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                Stupid for our age is enough, you can’t alter everyone. But scoundrels who pretend to be social assistance without giving anything to society should be distinguished and exposed.
                As for life expectancy, of those with whom I went to first grade, almost no one lived to be 50 (this is in a climatic sea resort). Lifestyle .... Although I am not an abstinence.
            2. New Year day 17 January 2020 22: 56 New
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              Quote: Victor N
              Those millions of villains who do not pay taxes do not deduct to the PF, but require social benefits and pensions.

              who do you mean? of these

              or these?
    6. Varyag71 17 January 2020 10: 14 New
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      the news already has information that a new commission has been formed to raise the retirement age to 70 years for both sexes. In the same composition as before. Like this.
      1. Varyag71 17 January 2020 10: 52 New
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        who is minus, I can’t wait until you get to heaven with your master.
      2. cradle 17 January 2020 11: 04 New
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        Well, what’s not for life? Lie like that laughing
        1. Beringovsky 19 January 2020 00: 31 New
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          cradle
          Well, what’s not for life? Lie like that


          No need to say laughing

          1. cradle 19 January 2020 08: 57 New
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            in fact 13 years have passed from those words to the rise ... and cho is a short time for changing the situation in the country, not for the better (well, just do not need to broadcast again that GDP is to blame for this). We are reaping the fruits of the collapse of the country's economic structure in the 90s so far. And GDP cannot change it in one person, it’s utopia.
      3. Victor N 17 January 2020 16: 55 New
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        It looks like a provocation. And MY Varangian ancestors were warriors.
    7. lucul 17 January 2020 10: 46 New
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      The author of the article sees what he wants to see.

      Well, how would everyone do it)))
      The author, of course, slightly exaggerated colors - but the general message is correct.
      Without the nationalization of the elites (tired of these cosmopolitans), there can be no talk of any development. Deprive Russian citizenship of all individuals consisting of state. service and having DUAL (and some triple) citizenship.
      Generally prohibit dual citizenship - as a species.
      1. cradle 17 January 2020 11: 08 New
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        to ban and not to let go? You are on the right track, comrade! What difference does it make if a private person (who is not related to the civil service and has no relatives there) has hundreds of citizenships to stop? The flag is in the hands of this person ... But if it is in the civil service, there is a difference. So it should be like GDP said.
        1. lucul 17 January 2020 13: 08 New
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          Does it make a difference to you if a private person (not related to the civil service and not having relatives there) has a hundred citizenships to stop?

          Naturally.
          It’s the same as being married to several men at the same time - the analogy is straightforward and you don’t have to ride on the ears here, pretending to be an innocent sheep. No dual citizenships - you or a Russian citizen or not.
      2. Victor N 17 January 2020 17: 00 New
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        Well, why multiply extremes? Different circumstances prompt. And for the civil service - yes, it’s not worth taking. As well as not having served in the troops. Even women.
    8. New Year day 17 January 2020 22: 18 New
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      Quote: Guardian Angel
      but so that everything is so bad and there is no way out, there is no way.

      there is a way out of power - the import of migrants from Asia.

      In 2018, 511 thousand people arrived from the CIS countries to Russia, 6,3 thousand people from Georgia, 2,0 thousand people from Abkhazia, 2,9 thousand people from the Baltic countries, 67929 from Tajikistan, 72141 from Kazakhstan, and Uzbekistan - 55378.
      From foreign countries in 2018, the largest number of Chinese citizens arrived - 7544, Georgia - 6345, DPRK - 6038, India - 5217, Germany - 3247 ..
      Most of all emigrants and internal migrants are attracted by such regions:
      Moscow, St. Petersburg, Krasnodar.
      Recent data indicate that our country has ceased to interest some foreigners as a place of work. And this indicates a crisis in our economy.
    9. Comrade Kim 16 March 2020 15: 47 New
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      The author also embellished the situation.
      The authorities are deliberately trying to stop the monstrous population decline by importing Asian migrants alien to us.
      The authorities deliberately impede the repatriation of Russian families to their homeland. They do not need Russia with a titular, pivotal nation. They need Babylon, where they will only survive and think about a piece of bread, meekly serving celestials.
  2. Aerodrome 17 January 2020 05: 48 New
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    The people do not believe in their bright future and do not wish their children such a future. Fact? Fact.
    that’s the answer from which we are dying.
    1. Galleon 17 January 2020 09: 59 New
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      There is another factor, not mentioned in the article. The ideal of Russian capitalism became the following model: raise a lot of money and dump overseas, where you just live. Here capital is frightened by ... as it were, to put it mildly ... instability of property rights.
      1. cradle 17 January 2020 11: 11 New
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        And there is wild stability? Be sure to inform Deripaska about it, otherwise he is not in the know. Berezovsky should not be informed yet.
        1. Victor N 17 January 2020 17: 03 New
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          And you are also right.
  3. Pessimist22 17 January 2020 05: 51 New
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    In 2018, the German population grew by 200 thousand people and reached a record level for the entire period after the reunification of the country. This record, however, is set by immigration, not fertility.
    In 2018, the German population reached a record high since the reunification of the country. By the end of last year, almost 83 million people lived in Germany - 200 thousand more than a year earlier, the Federal Statistical Office said on Friday, January 25.

    According to statistics, the record was set at the expense of immigration, since the mortality rate in Germany is still higher than the birth rate. Without migrants, the country's population would decline.

    According to estimates, in 2018 the birth rate in Germany increased only moderately (from 785 thousand to a maximum of 805 thousand newborns). At the same time, mortality over the same period increased more markedly - from 932 thousand in 2017 to 950-70 thousand in 2018). As a result, the so-called birth deficit increased from 147 thousand in 2017 to 150-180 thousand in 2018.
    The Germans also robbed the campaign.
    1. Sergej1972 17 January 2020 11: 01 New
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      It seems that if we combine the population of Germany, East Germany and West Berlin at the beginning of the 80s, then it was more than the current 83 million.
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      I read a speech by the Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the Russian Empire, Sturmer in the State Duma during the First World War. And there he talked about 80 millionth Germany.)
  4. Vasily Ponomarev 17 January 2020 05: 52 New
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    "The state paid for nurseries and kindergartens." - I wonder where the state comes from.
    1. Kostya Rokol 17 January 2020 10: 36 New
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      Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
      "The state paid for nurseries and kindergartens." - I wonder where the state comes from.

      And where does the current state collapse with the extra trillions - but doesn’t it pay for it?
  5. carstorm 11 17 January 2020 05: 54 New
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    Yes, not for the oligarchs, they are fighting, and not for the corporation. why is this nonsense needed at all in the text ... well, let's imagine that let's say Russia didn’t go to Syria. I won’t even talk about a gas pipeline from which our country as a whole would gently burn. let's look more broadly at everything. there we did what the USSR was doing constantly-we interfere with US interests in the first place. to the peak of the fact that they got into Ukraine. This has always been done before us and will be done after. and the fact that there is someone warming up on it, then excuse me, is this some kind of amazing story? such actions always help the adversary understand that by spoiling us he will receive the same thing but in a different place. several years have passed and the states are already driving from Iraq. a series of events and the states receive a missile strike from Iran. we can assume that this is all not interconnected but this is not so. giving Syria to survive, a cascade of events has started which the states no longer control from the word at all. and fertility ... among my acquaintances, only I am preparing for my third child, and the majority is either not going at all or is thinking or 1 in total. although in life people are wealthy. their priorities are just different. career or achievement of some goals in life where the birth of a child will slow them down. such is the world. even Scandinavia, which has always been the first in terms of fertility, is falling. people don’t want to do children even there.
    1. Jura 27 17 January 2020 06: 48 New
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      [/ quote] there we did what the Soviet Union was doing constantly-interfering with US interests in the first place. [quote]

      A little more and there will be no people left who will be there for someone there.
      In Russian regions, the birth rate is close to 8 per 1000 people. This is not in any country in the world.
      1. Mestny 17 January 2020 08: 57 New
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        Where did you get this?
      2. Chersky 17 January 2020 10: 15 New
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        Do not whistle! I live in Perm. Not a "national" region, Russian. 11,24. Data for 2018.
        1. cradle 17 January 2020 11: 12 New
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          but how without a whistle, art?
        2. Jura 27 17 January 2020 14: 34 New
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          Did I write somewhere about Perm or about all Russian regions?
  6. Vladimir_2U 17 January 2020 05: 54 New
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    Well, economically, it’s not horror-horror, it’s definitely not the 90s, but now the “consumers” of both sexes now, this is a completely demographic problem.
    1. Servisinzhener 17 January 2020 09: 48 New
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      Now is the time of triumphant selfishness and infantilism. In my opinion, this is the main reason for the low birth rate.
  7. Uncle lee 17 January 2020 06: 00 New
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    we will become extinct slowly
    Already become ..
    And look at the schedule - most of all there was an increase of 80-85 years,
    then perestroika, decay and away we go!
    1. The popuas 17 January 2020 07: 29 New
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      I am 1982 gr ... at school the largest class was 35 people, in others 10 at most 15! The fact that Roman had a 2012–2015 increase in the schedule, we gave birth to it, a generation from the early 80s ... All classmates and classmates gave birth by 30 years on average! And, practically, everyone has two three children ...! More, I think there will be no growth, because the next generations were less numerous, not to mention the 90s
      1. cradle 17 January 2020 11: 13 New
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        in the late 70s went to 1E ... was still about
        1. The popuas 17 January 2020 12: 06 New
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          I studied at a village school! There was one class at a time; in 100 households, 35 children were born in 1982.
      2. New Year day 17 January 2020 23: 00 New
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        Quote: Popuas
        the largest class at school was 35 people

        junior high school c. Shalakhovo, Pskov region:


        standing empty- no children
        1. The popuas 18 January 2020 07: 52 New
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          We had eight years old! Now only the initial ones are left! What is characteristic, there are many children, visitors say, a living village! But they carry to the district center by bus in two flights ....
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            Maybe because the school is new in the district center.
  8. _Sergei_ 17 January 2020 06: 12 New
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    It’s easier to scream that everything is bad. Start with yourself. I have three children and so far 8 grandchildren. We live not fat, but enough for life. Children are all with higher education, and two with two higher. Everyone is working.
    1. dirk182 17 January 2020 06: 51 New
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      Quote: _Sergey_
      It’s easier to scream that everything is bad. Start with yourself.

      How tired of this is "start with yourself." With this slogan, you will turn to the Duma, Council of the Federation, then above. The author of the article even tries to analyze the causes of the fall in fertility.
      There will be no growth in our country, so that the village and the village are killed. People drove to the reservation-megacities. A sort of anthills, where you need to have time to earn money, fulfill yourself, see the world and so on. And everything is interconnected. The frantic pace of life. Like squirrels in a wheel. Well, for those who make good money ... there are more attractive countries for them than Russia. It is worth seeing where our people are going to rest. And where does he buy real estate.
      1. Servisinzhener 17 January 2020 10: 01 New
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        village and village killed
        The problems with the population in the villages are more from the excellence of agricultural technology. In which there is very little room for people. They are not needed there in the same amount as at the beginning of the 20th century.
        1. victor50 17 January 2020 12: 47 New
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          Quote: Servisinzhener
          The problems with the population in the villages are more from the excellence of agricultural technology. In which there is very little room for people. They are not needed there in the same amount as at the beginning of the 20th century.

          Have you seen a lot of modern technologies in abandoned and overgrown fields? And where does the beginning of the 20th century. Back in the 80s, fields were cultivated, cattle grazed, and in stores there was milk, not white liquid of unknown origin. You can also say about other products, the abundance of which is so admired by some "local". Even on bread packages, the contents are sometimes scary to read.
          1. Servisinzhener 17 January 2020 19: 46 New
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            In the Krasnodar Territory where I live abandoned fields are difficult to find.
            With that. The fact that at the beginning of the twentieth century it was necessary to do the whole village for several days, now in a couple of hours it is done by one combine or tractor. And now tractors that aren’t Claas then John Deere are breaking down a little.
            And the cows grazing in the meadows remained only in the advertising of dairy products. Because it is easier to grow alfalfa or fodder corn and bring it to the livestock complex, and not to drive cows from one field to another as in the Middle Ages.
            1. victor50 18 January 2020 06: 32 New
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              Quote: Servisinzhener
              Because it is easier to grow alfalfa or fodder corn and bring it to the livestock complex, and not to drive cows from one field to another as in the Middle Ages.

              Are you a specialist in livestock? The former collective farm chairman says the opposite. And even easier to buy palm oil and there will be milk, and meat, and much more! wink
        2. Ross xnumx 19 January 2020 05: 50 New
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          Quote: Servisinzhener
          The problems with the population in the villages are more from the excellence of agricultural technology.

          Do not meddle in the problems of the village and the problems of its population. There are people who live, work and talk about them. But all that is needed is that they are given the opportunity to provide the country's people with agricultural products. His, domestic, without GMOs and palm oil ...
      2. victor50 17 January 2020 12: 30 New
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        in a small company of 7 women. The youngest is 25, the oldest is 42, the rest are 29, 37,37, 39, 39. Two are married (remarriage), two are divorced. Salaries range from 80 (for one, for the rest from 130) to 250 thousand. One also has unknown business incomes, considerable, judging by the car. 5 children for all, two for one. Apart from the one with two children, the rest have the main value - to live for one’s own pleasure, to provide oneself materially, it is not clear to what extent. Yes, one 39-year-old dependent mother may have real financial difficulties, and besides, she comes, therefore, a mortgage.
        1. Servisinzhener 17 January 2020 20: 02 New
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          live at one’s own pleasure
          Totally agree with you. People do not want to take the responsibility of the family. Avoid in every possible way. Even from the stamp in the passport, fear like fire. And of those who still marries - under 60% of divorces. Because the family is always a compromise, and two egoism inflated by the modern culture within the family cannot get along.
          So in addition to measures of financial support and infrastructure, you need to remove the devastation in the head.
        2. 2 Level Advisor 17 January 2020 22: 53 New
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          and I don’t even doubt that you live most likely in Msk .. In Stavropol, we have such a maximum salary of 5 percent of the population ..
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            Quote: 2 level advisor
            and I don’t even doubt that you live most likely in Msk .. In Stavropol, we have such a maximum salary of 5 percent of the population ..

            Wrong! But it doesn’t matter ... smile Here, in general, this is also not the norm, especially for women. But probably not 5% of those working will have more, although not by much. And this case in terms of salary, in my opinion, is generally a dropout. There are no low and medium salaries.
            1. 2 Level Advisor 18 January 2020 10: 05 New
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              Well, if you take all kinds of businessmen, let them 10% .. But .. what is even 80tr for three children and a wife who is not working? yes it’s nothing ... God forbid going to zero and plowing from morning till night .. I have 3rd sister and I work with my husband, somewhere 70-80 per family a month and I see how hard it is for them, I help from time .. and most families have an income of 40-70 tr. for two and how do they give birth to three? there are big questions about the second ... this is to the point that we are closer to the Negroes and should give birth to 5-6 children, I don’t observe mass well-being .. but for some reason our oligarchs have 4 or more children in bulk .. By the way according to official statistics in the Wiki in the Central Federal District (if Msk is removed), the birth rate at the level of the last lines on the birth rate of countries in a dying Europe, we mean better than they live?
              What you can’t argue is that the girls are now very much washed with Moskva by the consumer “a woman is not a sow”, “I want to live for myself,” “I want a husband and a Bentley as in insta”, etc. It’s real that now it’s directly influencing strongly and they are all waiting for the millionaire to at least start giving birth, but not more than 2, otherwise the figure will deteriorate and you will not expose the photo to the intram, how can you live then .. it’s sad all this
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          Quote: victor50
          in a small company

          Quote: victor50
          Salaries from 80 (for one, for the rest from 130) to 250 thousand
          And where are these fantastic salaries in small companies?
          1. victor50 18 January 2020 14: 43 New
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            And where are these fantastic salaries in small companies?

            As far as I know, there are no vacancies there right now. laughing Or do you express such doubt in the veracity of what was written?
            1. Greenwood 18 January 2020 16: 16 New
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              And I was not interested in work. I only asked - where? MSC?
              1. victor50 18 January 2020 16: 22 New
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                Quote: Greenwood
                I only asked - where? MSC?

                Someone minus you just stuck for a question! request SPb.
              2. Golovan Jack 18 January 2020 16: 23 New
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                Quote: Greenwood
                I only asked - where? MSC?

                My friend, I can introduce you (in absentia) to the programmer Aksy from Kolomna, now working in Ryazan. His salary is noticeably more than that, it surprised you so much.

                Although the big question is whether he wants to get to know you. laughing
        4. Ross xnumx 19 January 2020 05: 56 New
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          Quote: victor50
          in a small company of 7 women. The youngest is 25, the oldest is 42, the rest are 29, 37,37, 39, 39.

          To a big growl
          Under a vigorous moo,
          Friendship
          Born into the light
          Big secret for little
          For a small company like this,
          For a modest such company
          Such a huge secret!

          We hope that thanks to the efforts of the employees of this company, the economic growth of the Russian Federation fluctuates between 1-1,25% ... belay
          And there is RUSNANO ... There - oh, how fun! wassat
  9. Nonna 17 January 2020 06: 18 New
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    Thank you Roman for the good article of this journalist. Since I have two children, I know what I'm talking about. Young people will not give birth. Zolovka-28, son-33. Grandson was recently born. And they said - If only I could bring it to mind ... I live in Krasnodar. Schools are not enough - they are not building. Municipal gardens are not enough, in groups of 70 people. Who in their right mind will give the child to such a kindergarten? And still in traffic jams you need to drive an hour and a half? Only private - and this is a lot of money. A lot of money is now spent on a child - everything is very expensive. At 21, I already lived in an apartment from the enterprise. A young family needs to buy a home. In addition, you yourself know, now you can survive only by working for yourself, and not for someone else’s uncle. Our children have no prospects, except to leave the country. Regarding all these permutations, Mishustin is the same screw in the liberal vertical that they built for themselves. Who will share with whom? These chickens row to their beloved. . I didn’t believe the Kremlin combinator, I don’t believe and never will
    1. Krasnodar 17 January 2020 06: 41 New
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      In Krasnodar, I have a very good kindergarten, free, state kindergarten within walking distance - two blocks away. Affordable housing - Western Detour, East Kruglikovskaya and not only. Leave the country? If they are in demand narrow-profile specialists - go ahead with the song. Why not? )))
      1. Nonna 17 January 2020 06: 55 New
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        Stop by and ask in this kindergarten - how many people are in the group and generally write about the case, and not just write from the lantern and the grass does not grow. And as if without your recommendations, where to go with which profile - we’ll get along
        1. Krasnodar 17 January 2020 07: 03 New
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          You will manage, of course)) And why should I ask - my two children go there, in a group of 27 people. It’s located on Postovo if laughing
          1. Nonna 17 January 2020 07: 36 New
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            Nobody asked you (a lot of honor) - you yourself got into my comment, instead of discussing Roman’s article. What does your guard have to do with it? Do you have bad logic? I just wrote that it’s impossible to carry children to other areas due to traffic jams, and you are here - you ride, just to leave the last word for yourself
            1. Krasnodar 17 January 2020 09: 33 New
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              So this is the discussion of the article - you say that you agree with the author and how bad everything is, and I say that this is nonsense - groups of 70 people. If you drive for an hour and a half - then you live on the periphery, then the question is - what is the high cost of housing? laughing Thus, I expressed disagreement with your support for the position of the author. hi
              1. Nonna 21 January 2020 11: 46 New
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                And what do you think about the periphery in Krasnodar - the Western Bypass, where do you live? So I agree - there is nothing other than fields there. Tractor to help you in the development of virgin lands
                1. Krasnodar 21 January 2020 12: 20 New
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                  I live on Kubanonaberezhnaya laughing
                  1. Nonna 21 January 2020 12: 27 New
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                    Have you set up a tent on the left bank - right in the tavern? Brave you are a man laughing
                    1. Krasnodar 21 January 2020 13: 08 New
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                      No - an ordinary apartment in a high-rise building - I wrote to you - the State Kindergarten two blocks from my house - on Postovoy (where Fratelli is). )))
            2. Sergej1972 17 January 2020 11: 09 New
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              In fact, according to the rules of the site, each of us has the right to comment not only on articles, but also on the comments of other participants. Therefore, your claims are unfounded.
          2. Vikxnumx 17 January 2020 10: 05 New
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            Yeah, the wife in the group of 47 children ... and every day 36-38 come ...
            1. Krasnodar 17 January 2020 10: 08 New
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              And we have 27 - every day they come 22-25
        2. Chersky 17 January 2020 13: 02 New
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          Nonna, do you know how to communicate normally? You are not in your own market ...
          1. Krasnodar 17 January 2020 13: 23 New
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            Quote: Chersky
            Nonna, do you know how to communicate normally? You are not in your own market ...

            I will buy all markets as punishment to Nonna.
            But first, I’ll make money for it laughing
          2. Nonna 21 January 2020 11: 41 New
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            Chersky, I’m not asking you what you are trading on the Internet - maybe your ass? But it's your own business
            1. Chersky 27 January 2020 07: 48 New
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              I wonder why such habals are not banned here?)))
      2. Servisinzhener 17 January 2020 10: 26 New
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        https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/129448/.
        In general, in the name of the street Western Bypass, the word bypass must be quoted. Because bypass i.e. he’s bypassed for at least five years. smile
        1. Krasnodar 17 January 2020 10: 27 New
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          I am aware)))
      3. dirk182 17 January 2020 13: 04 New
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        Quote: Krasnodar
        If they are in demand narrow-profile specialists - go ahead with the song. Why not? )))

        Mdya .... You so easily let go of narrow-profile specialists that I want to ask the question: "Who will raise the country?" Have you ever thought about creating normal conditions for specialists and non-specialists?
        1. Krasnodar 17 January 2020 13: 38 New
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          We are talking about today
          Nonna’s children have a difficult situation, she said.
          So - in the West they would be better off if they are narrow-profile, in-demand specialists
          As for creating conditions here, there are a lot of thoughts, but all of them are related to the privatization of the Chubais office, the opening of a tax-free zone in the Far East, the transfer of Roskosmos MO, state support for science-intensive enterprises and other such garbage))
          But - I do not go into politics. Therefore, all my projects will remain just dreams laughing
    2. Plantagenet 17 January 2020 08: 41 New
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      "Pavel Khlebnikov - Russia has a catastrophically low birth rate. Why Russian women do not give birth to children?

      Khozh-Akhmet Nukhaev - Indeed, many do not give birth to children at all. And even when a woman wants children, she, as a rule, has only one child. I think the main reason is that the woman is not protected. The material side is not even all. She is not socially protected, not protected by society itself. Nobody demands it from her, nobody wants it. Because she will give birth, no one will thank her. Nobody needs this. She gave birth - this is a load for everyone. Who needs this? No one is happy about this, no one needs her child either. That is, it makes no sense to give birth to her. A woman gives birth to many children when she knows that every time she performs a feat, she brings reinforcements to the society in which she is. She becomes the hero of the day. She knows that there will be universal joy, especially when she gives birth to sons. She knows that she will have torment and that she will have to raise these children - she knows that it will also be - but she knows that she is doing a good deed before God. This is her jihad. That is, she has two goals: to give birth and to raise. And the more she raised normal children, the more rewards she will receive in paradise. She is better on this earth, in society. She is constantly inwardly calm, she has inner joy. It pleases her all. And she does not need to think about how much she will be provided economically. She knows one thing that children will not be hungry. She is protected by her whole society. "

      P. Khlebnikov "Conversation with the Barbarian"
      1. vindigo 17 January 2020 09: 32 New
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        Wow is not protected. In my opinion, a woman in Russia is just very protected by the state.
        1. Greenwood 18 January 2020 06: 57 New
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          It remains only to inform the Russian women about this. lol
          1. vindigo 18 January 2020 09: 49 New
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            They know this well. In South Korea, where a woman came to the family, she left. He has no right to anything. At my acquaintance, my wife from the village squeezed out his city house during a divorce, and in addition to child support, he also had to pay her something for 3 years. Now he is homeless with his mother.
    3. vindigo 17 January 2020 09: 31 New
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      In Krasnodar, schools and kindergartens are not enough because they have set up humane men for the poneekhi from Siberia, but there are no schools and kindergartens. Unprofitable.
  10. pru-pavel 17 January 2020 06: 19 New
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    There are clearly sticking star-striped six-pointed ears.
    1. Krasnodar 17 January 2020 06: 29 New
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      It smacks of anti-Semitism, Paul.
      1. pru-pavel 17 January 2020 06: 33 New
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        I try to keep abreast of trends and not fend off the team. hi
        1. Krasnodar 17 January 2020 06: 34 New
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          How cute (s)
      2. Pessimist22 17 January 2020 06: 37 New
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        If there is no water in the tap ..... smile
        1. Krasnodar 17 January 2020 07: 04 New
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          And when there is water - Krasnodar went there wink
      3. cradle 17 January 2020 09: 21 New
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        Is anti-Slavism and Russophobia good?
        1. Krasnodar 17 January 2020 09: 36 New
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          Any insult or prejudice to a person on a national, religious, racial basis is a sign of ignorance, inferiority and stupidity.
  11. Gardamir 17 January 2020 06: 20 New
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    From personal. My parents met right after the war, got married, two sons were born. And the time is hard after the war and no capital. More than 15 years after the Victory, 40 parents decided to have another one. So I appeared.
    I didn’t starve. Huge New Year's gifts. From dates palm trees grew at home, still near the house of my childhood, cedar grows. There was money for textbooks and uniforms.
    Oh yes, parents are not party functionaries, father is a carpenter, mother is a nurse. And all we had was enough.
    1. carstorm 11 17 January 2020 06: 54 New
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      parents paid for New Year's gifts) at least in my childhood they handed over either to the classroom or to the parent who was involved in this. plus my father handed over in parts, and from there they also brought gifts to us. Do you know why they took gifts there and there? but because in the store everything that was in the gift in the public domain was only waffles in packs) and therefore they collected everything in a row)
      1. Gardamir 17 January 2020 09: 33 New
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        Why are you so unlucky in the Union? I meant gifts that parents gave at enterprises, paid by the union. In my children's 60s, school 70s, and pre-Gorbachev 80s sweets were in stores.
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          1. vindigo 17 January 2020 10: 42 New
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            They were able to rise on speculation (hucksterhood), in the Union it was all forbidden. Therefore, they finished up.
            1. Vadim237 18 January 2020 01: 00 New
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              In order to make a fuss about something, you first need to create and produce something, and as for speculation on the stock exchange, this stock exchange - the whole world and the whole world is speculating - sells and buys, since there is a market economy in the world.
              1. Greenwood 18 January 2020 06: 24 New
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                In order to clutch something, you must first create something and produce a product
                Very funny, yeah. The vast majority of business in Russia, especially in our Far East, is either the merciless exploitation of the remnants of Soviet capacities, or the purchase and resale with frenzied margins of Chinese and other foreign goods. That's the whole business.
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                  Who produces and sells to each his own, someone resells without producing anything.
          2. carstorm 11 17 January 2020 11: 08 New
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            damn well, why is this? it’s the same as I’ll write now that all the local revolutionaries lived so well in the Union that they spawned eggs every day and they gave the apartments almost a year later. And the same lies. it’s just that someone idealizes his past, and for example, I don’t suffer from this. and my personal life is now much more effective than that of my father at the same age. and the availability of housing and opportunities and basic household issues. and this is a fact, and I can’t blame it against the facts. I just don’t understand why you think that if everything was fine with you, then it means that everyone has it? but this is also not true. as now everyone lived differently. Why are you so annoyed when your past is not like mine and you and your kind always want to humiliate someone for it? I didn’t tease anyone and didn’t quit anyone.
            1. Krasnodar 17 January 2020 12: 25 New
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              There is a type of nucleus from several Communist Parties and something like that is gathering, on which a bunch of sympathizers are running. Never mind ))
              1. carstorm 11 17 January 2020 12: 29 New
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                Yes, I’m used to it already) I just want to explain it to people for elementary politeness or something) can learn)
                1. Krasnodar 17 January 2020 12: 43 New
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                  They won’t learn anything. Most importantly, talk less about the shortcomings of the USSR and the advantages of modern Russia)).
                  1. carstorm 11 17 January 2020 12: 47 New
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                    Well, that’s also true ... although it’s a pity.
            2. Red Bogatyr 18 January 2020 01: 01 New
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              we are talking about the country and the people, and not about a single lucky ...
          3. Red Bogatyr 18 January 2020 00: 54 New
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            the business model of these "successful businessmen" is not based on writing comments ???))
            1. carstorm 11 18 January 2020 01: 20 New
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              oh yes enough already. what does luck have to do with it? hard work and all. and talk about the country and the people, let them lead someone to pay for it. I'm personally not one of them
            2. Greenwood 18 January 2020 06: 27 New
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              In Primorsky Krai, most of the large and “successful” businessmen are former bandits who, in the zero years, began to transfer their activities to “white” schemes without obvious crime. I see no reason to take an example from them.
        2. carstorm 11 17 January 2020 09: 52 New
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          it depends on what kind of sweets) and what the union gave I don’t know) I’ve been living among the military all my life and I don’t know these subtleties. I asked my mother, they said they paid themselves. in our store it was easy to buy all kinds of caramels and pads. lemon such round sweets were still. all garbage. there weren’t sweets like a gouliver or a roast) but in our town there was a confectionery shop and there were always cakes and cakes there in any quantity) so bad luck is unlikely) just the fact that there was something in the gifts that the shops didn’t you will find)
        3. Loess 17 January 2020 09: 58 New
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          Quote: Gardamir
          In my children's 60s, school 70s, and pre-Gorbachev 80s sweets were in stores.

          You know, I grew up in a village ... Our collective farm was relatively wealthy and gave parents presents from work. Nice gifts. It really was a holiday - during the year we did not see such sweets. But ... Before the New Year holidays, the collective farm was equipped with a bus, several people were sent (I myself am from the North-West) to Belarus or Ukraine or the Baltic states. There, these business travelers looked for access to the factory director, left him a pig carcass as a gift, paid for and received these very gifts that we rejoiced at the Christmas tree ... I don’t say it is bad or good, it was just like that on our collective farm.
      2. Servisinzhener 17 January 2020 10: 57 New
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        There were gifts from workers' unions too.
    2. Ross xnumx 19 January 2020 06: 04 New
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      Quote: Gardamir
      Oh yes, parents are not party functionaries, father is a carpenter, mother is a nurse. And all we had was enough.

      That's right ... Father is a mechanical captain, mother is a seamstress (sewing master). They lived in a hut (3rd Zarechnaya, 102). After the flood, we got an apartment ... About the holidays, gifts, food, - that's right. All was enough. They did not stand on the porch with outstretched hands.
  12. Krasnodar 17 January 2020 06: 21 New
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    I have four.
    1. The popuas 17 January 2020 12: 15 New
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      I have two, the older brother 3, the younger three, the sisters one at a time [quote] [/ quote]
  13. nikvic46 17 January 2020 06: 25 New
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    Demography is primarily associated with the health of the father and mother. If they are healthy, then the child is little threatened. Demographics must be of high quality. First of all, the quality of food for the child. Everything positive is laid down since childhood. By banning abortions, we can achieve temporary results. But I think (this is my personal opinion) the consequences will not be very good. For mothers and for medicine . While there are long lines in free antenatal clinics (they were simply reduced), it’s too early to talk about increasing birth rates.
  14. l7yzo 17 January 2020 06: 30 New
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    I will not write an assessment of the facts cited in the article, I will write about the idea.
    Now there is no idea for the future. It’s not clear where we are going, i.e. it can be seen that the ship is sinking and who is at the helm - the current drags from it what it can. With this situation, everyone is saved as best he can. And if there is no cooperation, only units will survive. And whoever coached them will then be completely robbed by pirates (vultures).
    So you need to realize - what unites everyone on the ship - community and history - and that the chance to be saved is just in the understanding that salvation is possible together. It is advisable to realize this as soon as possible. Reluctance to live in a submarine)
  15. 7,62h54 17 January 2020 06: 37 New
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    The population of the Russian Federation should decrease to 15 million. This is enough to run along the pipe and scare away wolves with sticks.
    1. Vadim237 18 January 2020 01: 07 New
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      Who should - your schizophrenic nonsense?
  16. igorra 17 January 2020 06: 39 New
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    It seems that someone on the VO resource is trying to disperse his political career or the beginning of it.
    1. Vadim237 18 January 2020 01: 12 New
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      Similar attempts here to disperse something will end in an abyss in the political career, business and everything else.
  17. slavaseven 17 January 2020 06: 40 New
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    I have two children. Would have been provided with money, would have given birth to a third.
    Himself from a large family. Unlike my parents, to whom the state allocated 3k, I have a mortgage. Kindergarten, school, circles, sections, pioneer camps were free, and if they paid, they were pennies. Now - pay for everything yourself. Roads of flowers today.
    So, sorry state, but I did mine. Let's work together to make children proud of their country
    1. Same lech 17 January 2020 07: 16 New
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      Vyacheslav, perhaps you're 100 percent right smile nothing to argue.

      Children should grow up in normal human conditions and not in dog kennels ... of course, the state is obligated to help needy families with children in different ways ... I hope sooner or later our society will come to this.
    2. Ross xnumx 19 January 2020 06: 09 New
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      Quote: slavaseven
      Let's work together to make children proud of their country

      Sorry. This is exactly this appeal (it sounds honorable and beautiful !!!) is akin to the fact that as if in a prison cell where repeat offenders are sitting, someone addressed them with an appeal:
      "Guys! Let's live honestly!"
  18. Mihail55 17 January 2020 06: 40 New
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    Thanks, Roman, for the article! Unfortunately, the cry of one crying in the wilderness. This is obvious. Who will share the loot? I’ll add a little. In the USSR, at each enterprise there was a person responsible for sports and he did not have a weak base. I didn’t buy skis or skates ... everything was given for a time for FREE !!!! And now howl where talents disappeared !!! Regarding the birth of children during the hungry times after the war ... there was then a definite IDEOLOGY, and now ??? I'd love to change ... will I survive ???
  19. savage1976 17 January 2020 06: 42 New
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    Many beeches, one moaning and a bunch of bullshit delusions piled in one pile.
    1. Kindergarten for free.
    2. For 3 months, 2 children received free medical care in the hospital.
    3. School is free, and meals at school and during the USSR were paid.
    4. If you have brains, and not just Contra and Doom on your computer, then higher education is free.
    5. One child goes to the pool section for free, the second one visits the video operator section for free, computer editing. It would be if the parents had a desire to tear their butt off the counter and the thought, and there are free mugs and sections.
    6. Camps for children and leisure are now free, but for food, and then paid now.
    And I do not live in Moscow or in St. Petersburg.
    1. Nonna 17 January 2020 07: 02 New
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      Do not tell me that there is no free swimming now, nor are there free camps, except perhaps Mordovian ones. Free, it can still be - if they have many children or are socially unsecured, well, or took advantage of their official position
      1. The popuas 17 January 2020 07: 36 New
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        A trade unionist is most likely ... their current is free for themselves, and the workers do not know anything, and no one will tell them!
      2. Krasnodar 17 January 2020 07: 38 New
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        https://krasnodar.kartasporta.ru/section-search-v2/sport-116-plavanie/free-besplatno/
        SWIMMING FOR CHILDREN AND TEENAGERS
        Free
        DYUSSH №1
        Krasnodar, st. 54 Ordzhonikidze
        SWIMMING FOR CHILDREN AND TEENAGERS
        Free
        DYUSSH №6
        Krasnodar, st. Yana Poluyan, d. 40
        Continue? )))
        1. Greenwood 17 January 2020 08: 24 New
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          Quote: Krasnodar
          Continue? )))
          Yes please.
          1. Krasnodar 17 January 2020 08: 25 New
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            From now on - Paid Consultation))
            1. Greenwood 17 January 2020 08: 26 New
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              No, really. Nobody pulled your tongue. They themselves deigned to offer, so go ahead with the song.
              1. Krasnodar 17 January 2020 09: 19 New
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                https://krasnodar.kartasporta.ru/section-search-v2/sport-116-plavanie/free-besplatno/
                Detailed list hi
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                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  https://krasnodar.kartasporta.ru/section-search-v2/sport-116-plavanie/free-besplatno/

                  Interested in! All the child’s life on swimming we pay is paid, and here it turns out Krasnodar knows free places! Here, we’ll open the first address you get from your list and what we see in fact:

                  I ask for review: https://schoolmeltser.ru/tseny/

                  You will ring the rest of YOUR addresses yourself, and then post the verified information.
                  Another child goes to boxing and also paid. Free only plays the harmonica.
                  1. Krasnodar 17 January 2020 12: 52 New
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                    Look at other addresses - I took the former to the free section of the child I gave and found a free pool for myself. )))
                    Free pools reopened at Olimp DC in Krasnodar
                    June 01, 2018 13:27 6990
                    They will work every day until September 1
                    https://obzor.io/2018/06/01/besplatnye-bassejny-vnov-otkryty-u-dk-olimp-v-krasnodare-69657/
      3. savage1976 17 January 2020 09: 06 New
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        https://ddut.magadanschool.ru/sveden/paid_edu знакомьтесь. И все бесплатно, было б у родителей желание зад от дивана оторвать и ребёнка оформить. А так да, у нас в городских группах тоже ор стоит, "ничего бесплатного нет". А спросишь куда вы ходили и пытались записаться, тишина в ответ.
    2. slavaseven 17 January 2020 08: 30 New
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      I'm very happy for you. Apparently the administration of your city is not in vain working.
      But in my city, alas. A lot of what you described requires money
      1. Krasnodar 17 January 2020 09: 20 New
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        And in Krasnodar it works)))
        Where do you live, if not secret?
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        Quote: slavaseven
        I'm very happy for you. Apparently the administration of your city is not in vain working.

        Spell:
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Other addresses look - I drove the former to the free section ...

        But Putin does not know his salary at all ... wassat

        Full of hungry doesn't understand more than once has ... laughing
    3. KERMET 17 January 2020 09: 53 New
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      After a modern school, without pouring money into tutors, a good higher education does not shine for your children, many specialist doctors are simply not in the free clinic or you don’t have coupons to pay for them, you have to pay. Kindergarten ... Well, it's almost free wink
      (if I have three children, I live in the region next to you, the oldest child is already at the institute)
      1. Krasnodar 17 January 2020 13: 00 New
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        Tutors - I agree
        High Higher Education - at Hiley Likely)) Just kidding - there are several serious universities in Russia too laughing
        Doctors - I agree
        Almost free - but not paid))
    4. dirk182 17 January 2020 11: 44 New
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      One child goes to the pool section for free,

      officially everything is so, but at the end of the month they ask to hand over as much as they can, but not less than 1000), supposedly to support the coach with his little sn. And so it is everywhere. In terms of sections, art schools. At least with us.
      1. savage1976 17 January 2020 17: 21 New
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        They may ask you, they don’t ask us. And further. I grew up and studied under the Union and imagine, I didn’t go to sections and circles, I was not interested in music, and there were no others from the word at all. So I can honestly say that there were no free sections and circles under the Union.
        1. dirk182 17 January 2020 17: 49 New
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          Quote: savage1976
          in sections and circles did not gomusical I was not interested

          So i can completely honest to argue

          good
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            Quote: dirk182
            Quote: savage1976
            in sections and circles did not gomusical I was not interested

            So i can completely honest to argue

            good

            "Honest noble" ...
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      Oh and lied. Well these are not bags tossing and turning.
      1. dirk182 17 January 2020 13: 55 New
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        What exactly? In the pool for dopa to the coaching salary. (from 1000) In a music school for everyday life. (350) Because our small town has a small budget. And sponsors can only fix the veranda in kindergarten, buy notebooks and pens, for the new school year. In the orphanage creativity on whatman paper and paint. (250-350) What is the lie ??? Do you live in another country? In our schools, there are not enough teachers and parents have to pay for tutors, so that at least they will not hopelessly fall behind in the school curriculum.
    6. 7,62h54 18 January 2020 07: 20 New
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      Wagnerovets go, or from the structure of the director-duelist?
  20. Gardamir 17 January 2020 06: 44 New
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    And further. The state, on the one hand, gives a miserable swap in the form of capital. And on the other hand, juvenile justice. Now they have launched a campaign against the family, about the fact that in every family women are brutally beaten.
    Well, medicine is optimized from the heart.
    Well, against the Russian criminal articles, and guests from the south benefits.
    1. carstorm 11 17 January 2020 06: 59 New
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      actually they beat and even kill. juvenile is tin but the situation with domestic violence is awful. I, after the case of 17 years, when my husband and wife cut off hands from jealousy for a long time, was in shock.
      1. polar fox 17 January 2020 08: 32 New
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        Quote: carstorm 11
        I, after the case of 17 years, when my husband and wife cut off hands from jealousy for a long time, was in shock.

        the poor fellow ... was in shock ... I hope everything is fine now? ... while I served in the criminal, I saw enough how women husbands did corpses ... very sophisticated and informative. Some bodies (and many) were not found at all. and all for the loot and the company.
        py.s.
        a friend married a Dagestani, brought him to the city ... a couple of years later she got addicted to nonsense ... called her parents, they arrived and took her "home" ... they didn’t see her at home. because you can’t disgrace the family. in my opinion right not?
        1. carstorm 11 17 January 2020 08: 37 New
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          the irony is not a topic at all. that's all. I, too, in the hospital with a lieutenant was lying to whom my wife had really broken her head with a frying pan and made disabled. this does not change the fact that men and women are beaten and maimed throughout the country, right? and this problem is known to all. and in percentage cases when, on the contrary, a woman made something to a man, tears in comparison.
          1. polar fox 17 January 2020 08: 39 New
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            Quote: carstorm 11
            this does not change the fact that men and women are beaten and maimed throughout the country, right? and this problem is known to all.

            there is no lie. statistics of criminal incidents suggests otherwise.
            1. carstorm 11 17 January 2020 08: 41 New
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              I will not argue. let it be your way. since women are more likely than men to beat you half to death means so be it)
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                Quote: carstorm 11
                do you beat half to death

                kill. feel the difference.
                1. carstorm 11 17 January 2020 08: 44 New
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                  I apparently somehow ended up in a topic that discusses who kills whom more often? or all the same, I wrote originally about domestic violence? did I miss something? the girl whose brushes were chopped off she’s alive, actually. he simply chopped them off with an ax in a forest in the suburbs
          2. dirk182 17 January 2020 11: 49 New
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            Do not carry nonsense! OK?! in my small town for the second year already, men have been buried at the hands of their wives. For 2019, four murders, for 2018-4. And in two years, only one case of the murder of a wife by a husband.
            1. carstorm 11 17 January 2020 12: 28 New
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              Once again, did I say something about the murders to someone? it's about domestic violence in general.
              1. dirk182 17 January 2020 13: 18 New
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                this does not change the fact that men and women are beaten and maimed throughout the country, right?
                Your words. We have an administrative code, criminal. And some lesbians and feminists are still trying to impose a law on domestic violence, substitute concepts, introduce new ones. The purpose of such changes is the destruction of the family.
                1. carstorm 11 17 January 2020 13: 25 New
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                  my. but I’m talking about this and not about some new laws that someone is pushing there. I am not a very impressionable person, but when I find out about the savagery of women and children, I take it pretty close to my heart. therefore, he said that there is a fact of these crimes. and there are a lot of them.
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                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    and there are a lot of them

                    Give statistics, so as not to be unfounded. How much is this?
                    1. carstorm 11 17 January 2020 13: 28 New
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                      I already wrote a little lower.
                      1. dirk182 17 January 2020 17: 28 New
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                        therefore, he said that there is a fact of these crimes. and there are a lot of them.
                        Apparently you are a very emotional person.
                        The senator sent a request to the Minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs for providing criminal statistics on family crimes after she was “impressed” with the numbers announced by the head of the Violence.net Center, Anna Rivina, an employee of foreign NGO grants.

                        Speaking at one of the thematic events in May 2019, Rivina said that in Russia, over a year, 14 women die in the family at the hands of husbands in Russia over a year. At the same time, the speaker could not give the source of this shocking information. However, Rivina advocates the speedy legislative implementation in Russia of the norms of "prevention of domestic violence" (RLS). In other words, for the criminalization of this sphere.


                        However, according to the document of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the number of grave and especially grave crimes in the field of family relations is less than 4000 (in 2016 - 3851, in 2017 - 3417, in 2018 - 3260). It is emphasized that we are talking about the total number of particularly serious crimes involving domestic violence, and not just murders and not only women.
                      2. carstorm 11 17 January 2020 19: 47 New
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                        rather yes than no. Why do I need to show some aunt’s data from NGOs? I don’t believe them just like you do. only it’s enough for me that the figures you quoted are enough to consider this a problem, although they are also understated decently.
                    2. dirk182 17 January 2020 17: 44 New
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                      The vast majority of convicts - two-thirds - are unemployed
                      Do you catch a cause-effect relationship?
    2. Gardamir 17 January 2020 09: 36 New
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      It’s necessary to think you beat your wife too, but cut off your hands on Sundays?
      1. carstorm 11 17 January 2020 09: 54 New
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        why such stupid conclusions?) like a normal discussion of a topic and suddenly such a passage ...
        1. Gardamir 17 January 2020 10: 19 New
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          This is not a passage, this is an example. You do not beat your wife, I do not beat mine, my neighbor does not beat. It's just that the topic is artificially inflated.
          One example is not to judge the whole country. Something will take chikatilu and say in the Union some maniacs were.
          1. carstorm 11 17 January 2020 10: 35 New
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            you don’t kill people at night, and neither do I, nor my neighbor. but the killings still happen? Or is the topic too bloated? I’m not saying right now that it’s all over and against the juvenile, I will always be in the form in which it is presented, but domestic violence is a problem that is not hidden. Between January and September 2019, 15 crimes were committed in Russia against women in the sphere of family domestic relations. For the entire period of 381, these indicators amounted to 2018 crimes. And how many do not come and write statements or are they stupidly not accepted or not recorded? life is complex and the various freaks in it are also missing.
            1. dirk182 17 January 2020 17: 33 New
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              well, everything is clear with you, comrade) give a link to your statistics where such figures are
              1. carstorm 11 17 January 2020 19: 53 New
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                RBC TASS still do not remember what. quite enough for me. By the way, it was given by those who lodged these feminists. Mashkov for example. “According to them, a total of 107 crimes were committed against women. Of these, family members, not necessarily husbands, 450 thousand crimes - 24%. And directly from the spouses 22 crimes - this, apparently, echoes the figure that is spoken of as fatal. That is 13% of the total number of crimes committed against women in our country - from the spouses. As for the fatal cases for 442, a total of 12 women were killed as a result of any crimes, and 2018 people in domestic conflicts. That is 2608%, ”the social activist said. is this not enough for you? it’s enough for me to consider this a disaster.
    3. Tank hard 17 January 2020 11: 31 New
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      Quote: carstorm 11
      actually they beat and even kill. juvenile is tin but the situation with domestic violence is awful.

      Tired of this lie already ... negative
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      Quote: carstorm 11
      but the situation with domestic violence is awful.

      But for what they lie about domestic violence, watch everyone and be sure to the end.
      1. carstorm 11 17 January 2020 11: 46 New
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        you’ll watch your videos and it’s all white and fluffy. the statistical error is shorter. think about it. and the Federal State Statistics Service and the Ministry of Internal Affairs suddenly suddenly began to believe everything. wonders. Well, since no, in your opinion, no.
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          Quote: carstorm 11
          you’ll watch your videos and it’s all white and fluffy. the statistical error is shorter. think about it. and the Federal State Statistics Service and the Ministry of Internal Affairs suddenly suddenly began to believe everything. wonders.

          So say those who lobby for the RLS law, are you their representative here?
          1. carstorm 11 17 January 2020 12: 26 New
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            Have I written at least one word about this law or something like that? just pointed out to the person that this problem is all. but for you it is not there, I already understood. And let the thought accept laws. they have big heads, let them think. I am personally against
  21. Loess 17 January 2020 08: 36 New
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    gives a miserable swap in the form of capital

    Could not give. In the province, this is quite a decent amount, and in the regional centers there is a secondary housing at the price of mother capital. And it is in demand. In cities - yes, you can’t buy housing, but it’s still a good help.
    1. Gardamir 17 January 2020 09: 38 New
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      I just meant that with a decent economy, when parents earn money, they’re not afraid to lose their jobs and mother’s capital is useless.
  • parusnik 17 January 2020 06: 45 New
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    I live in the fourth, at the first children's clinic ... people from five in the morning come to take turns with children, they’ll go from the villages .. there are no children’s doctors in the field ... and not only, a cardiologist is alone in the whole area .. paid ... my mother makes an appointment for three months ... Roman, you still forgot to mention children's dairy kitchens, free of charge .. In my house there was one, I just don’t remember the queues, it was near the entrance where I lived at least until 1984, that's for sure
    1. cradle 17 January 2020 09: 49 New
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      about the inferiority at the DMK inflection, he stood
  • Odysseus 17 January 2020 07: 04 New
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    The fact that under capitalism (a market economy) Russia will become a country of peripheral capitalism, will die out, and then disintegrate is an axiom. And if someone thinks that "at the top" they do not know, then they are very naive people. They know very well. Therefore, they withdraw money and children by buying property abroad.
    How do you feel about this? Here the "elites" are divided into 2 parts, those who are now directly in power and with money-against collapse, because they lose power, and therefore money, those who are not in power (conditional "liberals") do not care, they are going to redistribute stolen and also become the beneficiary of the "new perestroika".
    How are the authorities (those who have stolen power-property and those who do not want to give it away) going to solve the demographic problem? It is very easy to import migrants from even more impoverished than the Russian Federation (without oil and gas) republics of the former USSR. What we see with our own eyes. Plus support for obtaining citizenship by former citizens of Ukraine (primarily Donbass). Plus minimal support for young families designed to stimulate the construction business through a mortgage (maternity capital).
    If even after all this we will die out by 200-300 tons per year? Well, they say, such a "pan-European trend" is okay.
    1. Gost2012 17 January 2020 13: 59 New
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      Quote: Odyssey
      The fact that under capitalism (a market economy) Russia will become a country of peripheral capitalism will die out, and then disintegrate, this is an axiom ...


      Pure, not diluted nonsense from the first to the last word, but not an axiom.
  • rocket757 17 January 2020 07: 11 New
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    The Russian state does absolutely nothing to increase the population of the country. And this despite the fact that it, the state, is vitally interested in this.

    Of course, something does, the question is, how effective is it? Is that exactly what needs to be done?
    In principle, in developed countries, the tendency for degeneration of the indigenous population is taking place, and no one is hiding this.
    If you recall what happened before !!! periods of descent in different territories WERE! Then everything returned to normal! All the sick died off, and all the healthy tended to multiply and fill all the free living space.
    PS ... what makes our state right / wrong ??? If you think about it, look around, and WHO has a ready, right recipe, how can you make a modern individual, a very selfish member of society, multiply ???
    Everything is on the level - but let's do it, oh it didn’t work out, let's try to do it differently .... so to the people from the test tube before EXPERIMENTING
    can.
  • Pecheneg 17 January 2020 07: 16 New
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    Forgive me, I don’t want to be called Russophobe, but the main reason for the decline in the population in Russia is the Russians. There are no such problems in the Caucasus, Tatarstan, Bashkortastan, Kalmykia. They give birth there, there is no capital. Are there many Russian families with more than 3 children? Your "progressive" youth for the most part wants to go to the West. Because in the homeland "everything is bad", "everywhere" corruption, etc. etc. Where do your Sharapovs, Ovechkins, Serebryakovs and others like them live? Where was Sharapova when the taiga was on fire? and to help Australia from fires, she gave a money. The whole problem is in yourselves, how many Russians left for Russia from the former republics of the USSR? And still you become few. In 50 years, there will be less than half of Russians in Russia. Why do Russians always demand something from the State, Government, President, but do not demand from themselves? You are not building socialism. Yes, the main resource of the State is its people. We, from the side, see how your State protects and takes care of its people, how your country is developing, its successes in the economy, its growing authority in the world. Us about such successes in the economy oh how far. We do not have such an industry, our health care and education are limping on both legs. To say that you are drunk, but it is not. Russians are now far from the most drinking nation. Maybe you're mad about fat? After all, the more socially developed a society is, the more affluence is, the fewer marriages and lower birth rates. I ask you to understand correctly, this is my purely personal opinion. Maybe I'm wrong. Just put a “minus” then and don’t have to write what kind of person I am and stick my opinion somewhere.
    1. Odysseus 17 January 2020 07: 52 New
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      Quote: Pecheneg
      There are no such problems in the Caucasus, Tatarstan, Bashkortastan, Kalmykia.

      First there is. For example, Kalmykia - the population in 1987-329 thousand people, 2019-272 thousand people. Koef.rozhd.-1985-25,1 per thousand, 2014-14,1 per thousand.
      Secondly, yes, where the peoples have preserved the traditional culture, especially where there were still remnants of a clan-tribal structure, they reacted to market reforms by leaving the archaic, began to rebuild their "national principalities" and returned from enlightenment and national thinking to a pre-industrial economy and "fellow-tribal" relations. This led to the fact that their demography did not fall as much as that of the Russians.
      But this continues only while Russia itself is alive, which helps the national republics. And most importantly, the Russians cannot return to archaic.
      Stuffing is impossible to turn back. Russians are a nation-forming nation, originally assembled on the principles of unity of different clans, tribes and ethnic groups. This was long before the revolution. Therefore, in the event of a crisis of statehood, Russians are the first to suffer, people simply break up. Then the Russians went through the stage of education and industrialization. The Russians cannot return to tribal relations of cohesion of the small ethnic group.
      It is necessary to regain the state.
      1. Pecheneg 17 January 2020 08: 18 New
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        Thanks, from this position, it is quite logical.
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      Maybe I'm wrong.

      tell us how to write in the "Bashkirs" ... if in the subject.)))
      1. Pecheneg 17 January 2020 08: 42 New
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        Sorry, I honestly don’t know. But I do not think that someone will agree to subscribe to other nationality without selfish goals. Would you just sign up to be a Bashkir, being a Tatar, Russian or German?
        1. polar fox 17 January 2020 08: 45 New
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          I’m Russian. But you don’t think in vain ... sometimes you start to understand a lot. if you are threatened with being expelled from work if you do not "become the titular nation."
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            And do you have it in Russia? Come on.
    3. Pecheneg 17 January 2020 09: 00 New
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      Kazakhstan population counter
      18 909 549
      Population
      9 082 731
      Male population (48.0%)
      9 826 818
      Female population (52.0%)
      19 202
      Born this year
      581
      Born today
      7 577
      Died this year
      229
      Died today
      1 606
      Migrated this year
      49
      Migrated today
      13 231
      Population growth this year
      401
      Population growth today
    4. cradle 17 January 2020 09: 59 New
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      normal opinion ... I have three and I do NOT expect anything from the state. Ishachu in the north on shift. Wife with children, bye. Two mortgages and I'm not even interested in WHAT they promise from the state. NOBODY EXCEPT US! Yes ... and I'm Russian. And these groans that do not give ... take it and do it. And my children and English with a tutor in a circle and in a rocking chair ... not everything is free. Just snickering, guys. The older one so far I want to block into techie .... 150 thousand / year. Hard, but possible. If desired, of course. Well, the wife will have to go to work. The youngest will be 3 years old.
    5. Sergej1972 17 January 2020 11: 20 New
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      You probably are not aware that the majority of indigenous peoples of the Russian Federation have demographic indicators that are no better than Russians, and many worse. Most Tatars, by the way, are by no means large families.
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      The percentage of Russians in the Russian Federation is reduced not due to other indigenous peoples of the Russian Federation (maybe, with the exception of the Vainakhs and Dagestanis), but due to visitors from other former union republics.
    7. Tank hard 17 January 2020 11: 23 New
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      Quote: Pecheneg
      Maybe I'm wrong

      Definitely, so just put a minus ...
    8. Varyag71 17 January 2020 13: 22 New
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      What kind of education? What kind of health care? What are the successes? What kind of economy? Do not watch the first channel.
      1. Pecheneg 17 January 2020 14: 12 New
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        Compared to ours, you are just fine.
      2. Vadim237 18 January 2020 01: 26 New
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        Indeed, what kind of education, what kind of health care what economy - maybe you and your everyday whiners like you.
    9. Greenwood 18 January 2020 07: 03 New
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      Quote: Pecheneg
      Us about such successes in the economy oh how far. We do not have such an industry, our health care and education are limping on both legs.
      Where do you have it?
  • Chaldon48 17 January 2020 07: 26 New
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    Moscow is the third Rome, two have sunk into oblivion. From the first, there was Latin, from the second a tiny bit, GREECE, by the way, to a large extent, a blogger to the sacrificial efforts of Moscow. The Third Rome, Moscow, the capital of one of the two largest nuclear powers, has lost almost all of its provinces and the Drechlea is dying. How this can end is not yet clear.
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      How this can end is not yet clear.

      Well, if it’s still not clear ... request
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      Moscow is dying out - there are more than three hundred thousand people every year.
  • RusKosTen 17 January 2020 07: 38 New
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    Deserted Russia: to whom shall we say thank you?


    Thanks should be given to those who have introduced a capitalist system on the basis of a "market with free competition" and it is unlikely that it will be possible to change anything within this system. An example is that all developed capitalist countries have a crisis in the reproduction of the root population.

    And the reason is up there. I will give a vivid example from which everything will become clear. There are two families - two brothers. One is 10 years older than the other.

    The eldest, up to 30 years old, worked, did not marry, lived with his parents, after 30 he married, gave birth to one child. Both work, they took a mortgage, naturally, one child, and even when grandparents are at hand, this is not such a big burden for the family, only in the maternity period, but if the spouse worked before, then she is paid very good maternity (if the white salary ) One child has grown up, the parents of this child are licking, all kinds of toys from children's stores have been bought up, and he goes to a bunch of "development" ones.

    And the youngest married early, at 23. They gave birth early. They didn’t start living with their parents - no matter what parents they are, if there is a child, it is necessary separately. We took a mortgage. The wife did not have time to work out normally, maternity were beggarly. To ease the burden of mortgages, and in principle they wanted two, they gave birth to a second child almost immediately, the capital helped. But the maternity lengthened.

    Their children are almost the same age. Naturally, when families gather, children begin to figure out someone. So it turns out that the child is from the first family, he has everything, and the second for two will not have as many toys as that of one. And some celebrate their birthday in expensive playrooms with dancing clowns, while the latter are modest at home. Children see it all. Naturally, they ask parents - moms, dads, why so?

    And the answer is simple. In the world of competition, one child in a family can be given much more and immediately to “push” him higher, do it initially, than do the same thing with 2 or more. But we have set a very high standard. It is imperative to grab hold, hype in front of each other, what is your phone, what kind of car, what clothes, what education, where you live, where you work. Capitalism is built on greed. Therefore, families are increasingly choosing their first child. Because it is somehow possible to follow this standard with the 1st one, but with 1 and especially 2 it is unrealistically difficult. But the children are cruel. They will become older - they will begin to frown at those who have an iPhone not the latest model. And here only personal qualities of a particular child can be saved, which can say "but I still have a brother and sister."
    1. Alanart 17 January 2020 08: 18 New
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      There were no iPhones in the Union, but in the RSFSR since the mid-60s there were 1,8-1,9 children per woman. And you need 2,15-2,3.
      Only prohibition for 2 years suspended extinction. So the problems began not yesterday, but 45 years ago, when those who are now raising their retirement age have decided in large numbers that they do not need children. Yes, yes, they are still, and not modern, pampered youth corrupted by capital.
      1. RusKosTen 17 January 2020 08: 22 New
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        There were no iPhones? There were jeans, chewing gums, fashion records and Japanese tape recorders.
        The extinction of Russians began in 1965, when they introduced the concept of "profit" into economic relations.
        1. Alanart 17 January 2020 08: 51 New
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          Extinction became apparent in 1965. Over the 10 years since 1955, fertility declined by one and a half times. And under the damned Putin, for 20 years, however, it has grown one and a half times. Where is the logic? :)
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            She did not recover, but rose from the bottom by a little bit, narrowed a little the gap between rich and poor. It will be restored when it is 2.3.
            Yes, I don’t think Putin is damned. He does everything for the country, which he can do within the framework of the current system.
      2. RusKosTen 17 January 2020 08: 27 New
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        Yes, and the baby boom of the late 80s was then perfectly compensated in the 90s by the universal extinction of the male adult population, whom the techie was taught to drink in this same dry law.
        1. slavaseven 17 January 2020 08: 42 New
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          Yes, they did not bend from the drunk - the drunk is only a consequence. The reason is the military and economic crises in the former republics in the early 90s, the collapse of the first Russian wars in the mid 90s.
          1. RusKosTen 17 January 2020 08: 46 New
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            There wouldn’t be a drunkard and the idolization of “chekushka” - they would die out much, much slower
            1. Andrey.AN 17 January 2020 11: 10 New
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              Sober girls fly too less often. And more often teetotalers on loans, which also does not have a hurry with children.
      3. Foul skeptic 17 January 2020 10: 37 New
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        but in the RSFSR from the mid-60s there were 1,8-1,9 children per woman. And you need 2,15-2,3.

        Not in the middle, but in the middle, and these are two big differences. It was necessary for the country to digest the consequences of population loss in the war. That's only with 75 growth began (and not with the adoption of the Prohibition, according to the "accountants") and did not end there. Unlike other European (and not only) countries.
        fertility decreased one and a half times

        Which of the new demographers came up with the biological ability to reproduce, which is fertility to mix with the reproduction rate of the population, which also depends on other factors, is incomprehensible to the mind.
        The percentage of diseases of the genital organs leading to infertility in women is now higher than in the 90s, what is the decrease? Given the fact that it is necessary to take for comparison the cohorts, which now bear the burden of childbearing.
  • Qwertyarion 17 January 2020 07: 42 New
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    . People do not believe in their bright future

    No, he doesn’t believe ....
  • midshipman 17 January 2020 07: 54 New
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    Tell me about the situation in the country with the situation of children in Chubais.
  • Alanart 17 January 2020 08: 01 New
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    A lot of words. Everything is very harmonious and logical. But please explain why, despite the fact that the Union gave so much to citizens, in the RSFSR since 1965 (!) The total fertility rate, that is, the number of children born by a woman in her life, was less than 2, with 2,15 required for simple reproduction -2.3? I did not want the people to fight for it?
    In fact, this indicator in modern Russia (1,8) is almost no different from the Soviet period. Although, in 1999 it was only 1,2. But this, for reference, I would like to understand about the Union, where everything was for a person (supposedly)
    1. RusKosTen 17 January 2020 08: 09 New
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      Kosygin reforms of 1965 and the beginning of the introduction of capitalist thinking among the citizens of the USSR. First of all, the Russians.
      1. Alanart 17 January 2020 08: 35 New
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        To put it more precisely, in 1965 the indicator became less than 2,15 and it has been declining since the 50s. From 3 in 1955 to 2 in 1965. Approximately. Oh, I know what you say :) Stalin died, traitors to the ideas of communism came to power :))))
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          Excuse me, after what word to laugh?
    2. Odysseus 17 January 2020 08: 42 New
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      Quote: Alanart
      In fact, this indicator in modern Russia (1,8) almost does not differ from the Soviet period

      Why deceive ? 1984-2,06. 2018-1,57.
      Quote: Alanart
      when necessary for simple reproduction 2,15-2.3?

      As you might guess, for reproduction you need 2.00 2 parents-2 children. All that is higher than growth is a factor in child mortality, etc. It is changing, but the increase is not 2.30. Less.
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      I did not want the people to fight for it?

      After 2 demographic transitions (transition to urban lifestyle), the birth rate in the RSFSR stabilized at around 2.00
      1967-2,03.1977-1,92.1987-2,27. Then market reforms began and a very sharp recession began.
      The fact of having problems was not denied even then. For example, there were a lot of abortions.
    3. Mordvin 3 17 January 2020 11: 12 New
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      Quote: Alanart
      in the RSFSR since 1965 (!) the total fertility rate, that is, the number of children born by a woman in her life, was less than 2,

      And where is the digital?
      Here are the data from USSR National Economy in 1980:

      By nationality, there were 137 Russians.
      Since 2007, as I know, nationalities in the Russian Federation are not taken into account. We are all Russians dear.
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        Where did you get that is not taken into account. In censuses it is taken into account, open the 2010 census.
  • Kolin 17 January 2020 08: 08 New
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    The left comrades somehow forget the history of the problem.
    In the RSFSR, the birth rate fell below the reproduction threshold back in the 60s, from that time until the year 85 demographic indicators worsened, from 85 to 87 there was a sharp surge in 88 followed by a sharp drop.
    From 88, and not from 91 at all. The USSR just collapsed in time and now the Communists can pretend that they have nothing to do with telling fairy tales.
    1. Odysseus 17 January 2020 08: 48 New
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      Quote: Kolin
      Since 88, and not since 91.

      Radical market reforms with the USSR began in 1987. The first act is the abolition of the state monopoly on foreign trade on January 1, 1987. 1991 is already a natural collapse of the socialist state as a result of these reforms.
      Quote: Kolin
      It was just that the USSR fell apart in time and now the Communists can pretend that they have nothing to do with it and tell tales.

      How does this have nothing to do with when the "communist" Gorbachev carried out these reforms? Another thing is that he was simply called a communist.
      The dynamics of the capitalist genocide is impressive 1987, a natural increase of 968 thousand people. 1991 - an increase of 103 thousand people. 1993 - the extinction of 750 thousand people.
    2. Foul skeptic 17 January 2020 11: 07 New
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      1) The reproduction of a biological species (what is called the survival of a nation) does not depend on the value of the birth rate. Therefore, there is a net reproduction rate of the population.
      2) For the RSFSR, the drop in the birth rate was not until 1985, but before 1977.
      3) Talk about the USSR as a socialist state after 1987 can only alternatively gifted.
      4) Despite the periods with downtrends, the situation was more favorable in comparison with other countries of developed capitalism from 1975 to the end of the USSR. Just due to the notorious calm for the coming day and the absence of specific problems that take place in the "Western" world.
      So communists, with a clear conscience, can write a plus sign for their demographics. There is no one to record, the communists disappeared back in Soviet times.
  • EvilLion 17 January 2020 08: 10 New
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    Fertility should be increased in bed, not in the bank, getting a loan for the next car.

    The main reason for low fertility is hedonism. Neither Yeltsin nor anyone else. In Nigeria, overwhelmingly live in poverty, and fertility reaches 6.
    1. slavaseven 17 January 2020 08: 34 New
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      Ask the locals if they are happy with their life. By the way, it’s better for groups of teenagers to go around the checkpoint, shoot and rob
  • Loess 17 January 2020 08: 12 New
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    after all, Russians are also smart and understand
    In order to multiply the mind a lot is not necessary.
    yes, the very crisp Russia that still moans
    In the same "bakery" population grew constantly, despite the wild mortality of newborns.
    The people do not believe in their bright future and do not wish their children such a future. Fact? Fact.
    But in the "crisp", then, believed? Or did children appear by themselves?
    Well, as if I myself also settled on one
    So maybe the whole article is conceived to justify itself? First, stop on one child, and then be surprised that the country is dying out, pensions are small and the retirement age has been raised.
    People make money simply because having a baby
    I strongly doubt that the majority of families with children acted in this way - I’ll save up some time, and then how to get a child ... A very strange version ... For some reason, nothing prevented me from renting a house, first a room in a communal apartment, then an apartment, have children. My peer colleague likewise, having no home, got three children even before me. And nothing. We live. And over time they got housing, and we raise children. Not to say that everything is easy, but you can live. But the young guy, having an apartment, a car, a stable salary and extra income, often exceeding this salary, has lived up to 30 and does not plan children. And among my friends he is not the only one. So maybe money is just an excuse?
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      So maybe the whole article is conceived to justify itself? First, stop on one child, and then be surprised that the country is dying out, pensions are small and the retirement age has been raised.

      + noticed correctly.
  • Nikolaevich I 17 January 2020 08: 21 New
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    1. "in the rapidly expanding Rosguard, which now according to the will of the president will aviation and navy. So, in our country, the state is creating yet another lured army, which will guard and protect the interests of the state 100%,

    It just shows how much the government is afraid of its citizens. And he does not trust his own army, which may well not go shoot at the people.
    That, it turns out, is the essence of the rapprochement between the Russian Federation and Iran! I finally get it! fool Putin takes an example from Iran! yes In Iran there is an armed forces (army and navy), and there is the IRGC (corps of the guards of the Islamic revolution) ... and in Russia there were armed forces (army and navy), but now a "guard corps ... Rosguard!"
    2. That's why they started giving birth not when it is possible and necessary, but when there is money for it. After 30, far after 30, having passed the necessary steps in the career ladder. This applies not only to wives, but also to husbands. Failed - no necessary amounts - nothing to think about reproduction. Mdaaa .... the slogan "no money, but you hold ... give birth" does not work! And how can it “work” if Russian citizens cannot find a job with a “decent” salary? Cause? "dominance" of migrants who agree to work for a small salary! How many stories have you heard about how a person was looking for a job with normal pay, and he is offered a salary of 15 thousand rubles for his work! But how can a person agree to this, if he has to pay the same 15.000 rubles for an apartment, utilities? ?! And food, clothes, the same telly for what "shisha" to buy? And then, give birth! Moreover, the scanty payment is offered not for "digging holes"! And for work requiring a certain qualification! The ruling regime does not regulate wages in the country at all! That is why the ruling regime benefits from “settling” Russia with “Turks”; and "businessmen too, because they can" earn "enough" to "change BMW as they fill ashtrays with cigarette butts"!
    3. Well, the fact that on our TV for a long time (since 1991) a creative person has ceased to be an example, but who is instead? That's right, the so-called "bohemia." "Stars" of the stage, "secular lionesses" and other riffraff of all sexes and colors.

    In general, who does not know, "Bohemia" - from the French bohème, gypsy. So we have a very bright such camp is crazy.
    "Secular lionesses"? Recently I watched a telecast of the type: “Evening with Malakhov ...” (“First Channel”? “Russia-1”? ...) So there one lady from the guests very rightly remarked: “These are not, secular lionesses ,, ; but ,, light dance! "
    4. The resources, according to the constitution, belonged to the people who received all of the above benefits from them, were stolen from the people by Yeltsin and for some reason were not returned back to Putin. Although in 20 years it would be possible.

    But what now to cry if ALL the money that is earned from the sale of oil and gas (and Gazprom and Rosneft have become much more sold) now go where? That's right, in the pocket of “friends” and members of the elite club “Russia”.
    Once I read that oligarchs from the extraction of natural resources pay about 6% to the treasury ... the same amount as the "self-employed" who render services to legal entities must pay! The ruling regime maintains and introduces new benefits for the oligarchs, refuses to introduce a progressive tax for them; but constantly increases taxes and other requisitions for the people! The ruling regime “closes” all financial problems, failures, and thefts and will “close” them with exactions from the population!
    5.And in fact, we will slowly die out. Just because there is no money for it. And will not be. Yes, Russia will die out, be poor, while its people will meekly endure all the current outrage!
  • exo
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    In general, I agree. Also, the outflow of youth. And middle-aged people, abroad. And these are, as a rule, the most active and educated. So, there is still a question of the quality of the population. Plus, the replacement of indigenous peoples coming from Asian republics.
    And of course, for these moneybags, give your life — God forbid!
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      And how much do we roll abroad for permanent residence a year, do not tell me?
  • Strashila 17 January 2020 08: 41 New
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    When they talk about demography “everything is lost”, they forget about one thing, they always gave birth, regardless of wars and the burdens of life. Our ancestors were raised to think about the future. as folk wisdom says, he was about to die, but this life.
    Now it’s one day’s policy, grabbing it today and running somewhere with bulging eyes.
    According to the life principle, where he was born, it was not useful there, and even more so with strangers.
    Now the majority does not see the future, let's say frankly, the Russians have always sought to work in high-tech industries. but don’t take it anymore and yearn until sunset, which in the 90s successfully optimized for metal.
    personnel policy from the screens, the worker means not a lucky one, does the same thing. And under the USSR, sometimes the worker was smarter than many with diplomas, which was paid accordingly, the worker sounded proud, whole workers dynasties were created.
    Newly done Russians are paradise for them, education is free, medicine is free, pensions and benefits.
    You go to clinics, various funds, there whole villages roam.
    But, for the past thirty years, they have not invested a penny in this country, in addition to the fact that Russia has written off billions of dollars of any help to them, but they use our achievements to the full 101%, they know all the laws and regulations better than the local ones.
    We must curtail the attraction of unprecedented generosity, all this was done for the Russian compatriots, but they could not use it.
    It's time to wrap everything in the ass, yes, close the border.
    Violators of the visa regime, master the tundra, reindeer husbandry is the same agriculture.
    And begin to deprive citizenship.
    Let us be few, but likely. that they will shoot in the back and dirty in the rear will be lower.
    This has been proven in recent decades.
  • oracul 17 January 2020 09: 01 New
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    Turn on your head: 27 million dead in the Second World War, and a third of them are men in the prime of life in the army. Only in Poland more than 500 thousand. And how many are alive, but disabled. This is the main reason for the demographic pit. Yes, they lived poorly and hard, but with dignity. Children were raised and raised their homeland from ruins. Yes, the USSR also helped others, however, at least thanks were not expected. The motto was simple - who does not work does not eat. The country was rising, life was improving. But most wanted everything at once. But the trouble is, the price did not work, and production objectively cannot simultaneously increase output so as to satisfy enormous demand. It seemed to many that capitalism solves the problem simply: the higher the demand, the higher the price of the goods. And its purchase becomes the lot of those who have money. True, one subtlety. The problem is solved in a limited number of countries of the "golden billion" at the expense of the third world. Well, and then easier - the consumer society and, above all, in the face of bohemians with their secular lionesses so emancipated that the children became a burden. So we fit into the global trend. Only he leads nowhere.
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  • Oleg1 17 January 2020 09: 08 New
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    As always, crying Yaroslavna and Putin are personally to blame that we do not want to give birth ....
    Population growth is decreasing on average throughout the world. There are many reasons for this. One of the notable reasons is that in a modern industrial society with its high measures of social support, the birth and upbringing of children for an individual has largely lost its economic meaning. Children do not become workers in a large peasant family and are not the only guarantors of support in old age. Family planning methods have become more accessible, the level of education has increased, the role of traditions and religious attitudes has decreased. But all of the reasons for the decline in the birth rate listed above in themselves can only be consequences, methods of adjustment to the changed reality.
    And yes ... the birth rate does not depend on the standard of living. In peasant families of the 19th century there were many children and the standard of living was, well, very low ....
    Threat and yes, the generation of the 90s is not very numerous, women were really afraid to give birth, now those born then came to reproductive age but they are very few .... and who is to blame for the RRR Revolutionary Skomorokhov? right Putin ...
  • Ratmir_Ryazan 17 January 2020 09: 14 New
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    The main task of a citizen is to pay taxes. Direct and indirect, income tax, VAT and other small things. Well, it seems to be an option - to grow a replacement for yourself, who will also pay taxes all his life.


    Extremely stupid and mediocre article.

    Citizens in Russia today can live and work and realize themselves in any field, because they live in a free, independent country with a market economy, and paying a tax is not the main task, but a citizen's duty, because through paying taxes, citizens develop their state and take care about his safety.

    All that is paid in taxes to budgets of different levels - everything is returned back to citizens in the form of working schools and hospitals, in the form of a strong army and navy, in the form of roads, bridges and other infrastructure, in the form of consumer demand from state employees.

    The entrepreneur sold the goods - paid the tax - the state employees received the money - the state employee bought the goods from the entrepreneur. At the same time, the entrepreneur has the opportunity to teach children in a public school, keep them private in the hospital and know that nothing will happen to them, as the army and police protect the country.

    The state only streamlines the turnover of taxes and their spending on common needs, but all this money is somehow returned to citizens !!!

    I advise the author to look at the birth rate in the developed EU countries - Germany, France, Italy, etc., and then look at the birth rate and standard of living in the countries of Central Asia and India.

    And it turns out that taxes and the level of income are not connected with the birth rate.

    The birth rate is affected not by economic, but psychological factors - people don’t want to give birth because they want a new car, a new apartment, go abroad and live beautifully, so that there are more children than in the movies.

    Many women in Russia do not know how to cook !!! Because they don’t want to, because they think not about the family, but about how to grab the little richer.

    And the peasants began to treat women as things — they made out, found another.

    Repentance for all this will come later, when there will be apartments and cars, and it will not bring joy anymore and children will not succeed because of age, and all these blessings of civilization will not please anymore, and on Instagram lay out a 50-year-old ass pointless.

    From many who are in their 35s and 40s and who have already achieved everything in material terms, which the people often hear regret that they have not given birth to children before, but now they can’t.

    Many say that they were afraid they wouldn’t raise, someone had an abortion, and now they began to think differently, but they just can’t return the lost time.
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      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Citizens in Russia today can live and work and realize themselves in any field, as they live in a free, independent country with a market economy
      That is why scandals with bankruptcies of enterprises and non-payment of salaries regularly roll around the country, and facts about embezzlement on an especially large scale regularly pop up. Over 20 million people live on the brink of poverty, 53% of young people dream of leaving the country forever.
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      in the form of working schools and hospitals, in the form of a strong army and navy, in the form of roads, bridges and other infrastructure, in the form of consumer demand from public sector employees.
      In general, all that in fact is not in Russia. You listed it is GREAT. I've been to neighboring China periodically, I see all this there, we don’t have it.
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      At the same time, the entrepreneur has the opportunity to teach children in a public school, keep them private in the hospital and know that nothing will happen to them, as the army and police protect the country.
      That is why large entrepreneurs spend money on citizenship of Malta and Cyprus, buy real estate in Europe, fly to the USA, Israel or Singapore for treatment, the wives of large entrepreneurs prefer to give birth in Miami, and the children of large entrepreneurs (and many large officials) study in elite British or Swiss educational institutions.
      I was even curious about what kind of hard drugs you are taking, which allow you to soar in the clouds for so long. lol
  • Mikhail3 17 January 2020 09: 16 New
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    Let's face the problem and honestly answer the question: what is the main task of the state and what is the main task of the citizen of this state, naturally, referring to Russia.

    The main task of a citizen is to pay taxes. Direct and indirect, income tax, VAT and other small things. Well, it seems to be an option - to grow a replacement for yourself, who will also pay taxes all his life.
    You can not continue. With such an approach, the state will ALREADY end, and nothing, absolutely nothing, will save Russia. It’s over, we part and disperse ...
  • Basarev 17 January 2020 09: 24 New
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    In addition to the general demographic problem, there is an even deeper and more terrible one - the Russian one. Neither the high birth rate of Muslim regions, nor the uncontrolled influx of migrants breeding like rats, cover the demographic decline in Russia. And in the epicenter are Russian regions, where the decline of ethnic Russians is already similar to genocide. Or is this the true goal?
  • Ros 56 17 January 2020 09: 25 New
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    Maybe all these tables are correct, but our main losses are:
    1. This is the Second World War - we still hear, although 75 years have passed.
    2. This is the nineties, in the cemeteries lie the generations of 70-80 years who died from alcoholism, drug addiction and gang warfare, whose children were not born and whose grandchildren will never appear. But they prefer not to remember them, because the liberals were delighted with the drunkard and the red creature with the state-owned company; one could steal as much as one could not imagine.
    3. Well, low incomes and high cost now. Previously, more than half of the USSR was removed from the place in the summer and went on vacation with children, today alas. I just judge on the schedule of trains and planes, the number has decreased significantly, and ticket prices have increased significantly.
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      Now people are traveling around the country in cars traveling.
  • Uncle Vanya Susanin 17 January 2020 09: 37 New
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    The article is complete nonsense and manipulation:
    "The Russian state does absolutely nothing to increase the population of the country."
    Already a lie!
    "And in fact, we will begin to die out slowly. Just because there is no money for it."
    Why, then, do the prosperous and wealthy countries of the West die out, for the welfare of whose citizens, we all like to poke us! But countries with really poor people have a high birth rate, maybe it's not about the money?
    1. Mordvin 3 17 January 2020 11: 32 New
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      Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
      Why, then, do the prosperous and wealthy countries of the West die out, for the welfare of whose citizens, we all like to poke us!

      Because consumers are everything. The psychology is like that.
    2. Nikolaevich I 17 January 2020 15: 47 New
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      Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
      Why, then, do the prosperous and wealthy countries of the West die out, for the welfare of whose citizens, we all like to poke us! But countries with really poor people have a high birth rate, maybe it's not about the money?

      I posted a video on today's VO page where N. Platoshkin "evaluates" the "message" of Putin ... maybe you should watch it? By the way, I don’t trust all the “numbers” voiced by Platoshkin ... we need to double-check!
      1. Uncle Vanya Susanin 17 January 2020 21: 32 New
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        Platoshkin IMHO demagogue and populist, used to listen to him on the radio "Komsomolskaya Pravda".
        1. Golovan Jack 17 January 2020 21: 47 New
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          Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
          Platoshkin IMHO demagogue and populist

          Here is a half-site of demagogues and populists. IMHO yes
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            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Here is a half-site of demagogues and populists.
            In this list you hold an honorable first place.
            1. Golovan Jack 18 January 2020 11: 14 New
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              Quote: Greenwood
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Here is a half-site of demagogues and populists.
              In this list you hold an honorable first place.

              No, buddy. I have nothing to do with yours. No, sorry request
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              1. Golovan Jack 18 January 2020 14: 13 New
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                I join .. A lot of chatterboxes-whiners have been activated here ..

                Man, you’re definitely not mistaken, to whom to join? wink
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        2. Nikolaevich I 18 January 2020 03: 52 New
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          I give "information for reflection", but do not urge to "believe" Platoshkin! I myself only recently began to “look closely” at him ... I didn’t “work out” the final “opinion”, some of the “numbers” voiced by him arouse suspicion and require verification, some of his conclusions are debatable ... But it’s important for us and arch - urgently to take action, actively resist the meannesses of the ruling power (!) ... otherwise the "kid" is for all of us and the country! But for this we need a clear understanding of the goal, the plan of action ... we need leaders, "weapons" (not small, but "political" ...)
      2. Vadim237 18 January 2020 01: 51 New
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        I watched it - in this video, this balabol admitted that he lived abroad for 25 years as a consul, to which I am - you have confidence that this figure is for the good of Russia, for all these 25 years of staying abroad you have not recruited any of the foreign intelligence services, so as a hidden agent of influence, I personally don’t have such confidence, since in his speeches between the lines the demand for a change of order slips, it is possible to copy with Navalny and his comrades to carry out only these open Putin's, and Platoshkin smoothly leaves.
        1. Nikolaevich I 18 January 2020 03: 57 New
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          I understand you ... myself in "doubts"! Why did I "mention" Platoshkin? As an answer to you, my "comment-answer" to "Uncle Van"!
  • Nitarius 17 January 2020 09: 38 New
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    the author go through the forest))) we will rise slowly)))
  • Sergey Mikula 17 January 2020 09: 53 New
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    Another tale of how good it was in the USSR. I’m 64 years old when I was at school, out of 46 of my classmates, only four had a brother or sister, all the rest were single. And this was not an exception, as it was in all city schools. The last generation with many children was our parents, 30s of birth.
  • Oleg1 17 January 2020 09: 57 New
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    Quote: Nitarius
    the author go through the forest))) we will rise slowly)))

    And it is even more surprising that Putin announced unique measures to materially stimulate the birth rate, and how do the common people respond to this? Cry all bad power is to blame for everything? Change the training manual, write to the gentlemen from the State Department to send a new one!
    Threat and, in principle, the article is funny, you can neighing over the stupidity of the common
  • thinker 17 January 2020 10: 20 New
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    It is strange, of course, why do Russians not want to breed?
    Just like the French, Germans, Chinese, Canadians, Japanese ... The problems of demography are general civilization, there are no simple answers
    Just because there is no money for it. And will not be.
    Why is the Arab sheikhs having less birth rates than in Russia ???
    In 1950, the population of Africa was half the European. In 1985, the populations of Africa and Europe became equal, reaching 480 million on each continent. In 2025, according to the forecast, three times more people will live in Africa than in Europe: 1 billion 580 million against 512 million.
    https://nonews.co/directory/lists/countries/birth
  • Yrec 17 January 2020 10: 36 New
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    The article is a complete heresy. In the 91st year, we stepped from socialism into the era of consumption. And consumption is a very egocentric thing, there is no place for dependents in it. One can cite the countries of Africa and Asia as an example, are local governments strongly supporting demography there? And population growth is explosive. The number of children depends little on money from the state, in Europe they are allocated quite enough, and there is also depopulation there. It's all about ideology.
    1. ugrums1961 17 January 2020 14: 12 New
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      If Asia and Africa, with their illiterate and lazy population, are thrust into our climatic conditions and into palm huts, I think they won’t last a year - they will die out.
  • Tank hard 17 January 2020 10: 42 New
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    Grade article! I was expecting that Roman would touch upon the subject of the RLS law, but apparently the majority did not understand where the consequences of the country would be if this law were passed, but I was already tired of yelling about the danger and already tired of apparently everyone, I will leave this topic ...
    But the matter is only in a planned market economy and in women.

    He graduated from school in 1990, and in 1991 the USSR did not become, an independent republic of Kyrgyzstan appeared and the "market economy" was hit by the whole post-Soviet space. I hit it so that I didn’t just think about multiplying, I just had to survive ... Stupidly I didn’t have money to “eat”, the institute sometimes gave credit for sneakers, the women teachers wanted sweets, but they could not afford much ... At that fun time for me, eating 3 times a day was already good. He was losing the competition because of insufficient nutrition ... A classmate set up a "commercial tent", immediately those who wanted fast money tried to bend it, called us, those who went in for sports and martial arts in particular, came and beat him ... There were funny times, eat and stay alive. Studying, sports, service, trying to earn something .., wedding and first wife, beauty, student. Until they got on their feet, decided not to give birth to children, my wife studied hard, they could have killed me at any time. Then a divorce, dispersed to different countries. Already at forty I met second love, second marriage, a child born in 2006. Life has already been more or less adjusted, I earned a little and steadily, my spouse earned well, the car was bought not on credit, but directly from the passenger compartment, new. although not expensive, the apartment is not on a mortgage, we decided on a second child, years fly by, and we don’t get younger ... Everything went well, consultation, the doctor who supervised us, the pregnancy of his wife, but at one point something went wrong ... The wife became ill, bleeding opened, an ambulance took her away, had surgery, and lost the child. Later, a familiar gynecologist, after finding out the situation, said that at some point, the wife just had to put two injections of the hormone and everything would be fine, and this should have been suggested by the doctor who supervised us. But apparently this doctor either did not know about it, or did not want to know repeat ... The spouses did not risk health anymore, and the age is no longer young. They didn’t receive any help from the state, but they somehow managed ... request
  • Anwar-oglu 17 January 2020 10: 45 New
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    Thanks to the author !!!! Rarely read smart
  • makmak 17 January 2020 10: 58 New
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    But what was there, one was enough for himself, so the thought of the second at one time threw very far. And frankly, I have no regrets about that.

    That says it all. The rest of the article is water and self-justification.