Black Berets of the Future: Does Russia Need Marines?


The Marine Corps is the pride of many countries whose armed forces include its units. In modern wars and conflicts, its role remains very high.


Recently, The National Interest published a ranking of the world's marine corps. The top five were the marines of the United States, Russia, Britain, South Korea and China. Of course, since the publication is American, its authors simply could not give first place to compatriots. But, on the other hand, the US Marine Corps remains not only the largest in the world, but also the most involved in numerous military operations. However, the magazine paid tribute to the Russian marines, putting them in second place.

History marine corps in all countries of the world that have it, is inextricably linked with history fleet and sea power. Therefore, the first divisions of the marine corps appeared in those countries that waged colonial wars in overseas countries - in Portugal, Spain and Great Britain.

At the same time, some skeptics today doubt the need to preserve the numerous marines in Russia - they say that its demand for military operations will only decrease in the future. But is it really so?

The main tasks of the marine corps


In modern conditions, the marine corps performs several important tasks. Firstly, these are mobile expeditionary forces capable of performing tasks practically anywhere in the world, regardless of its remoteness. It is only a matter of the capabilities of the fleet of their country. For example, the Americans have always used their marine corps as an expeditionary strike force.

In Russia, which did not wage overseas colonial wars, the marine corps was less important in this regard, but the naval paratroopers covered themselves with glory in the Great Patriotic War, and then showed themselves perfectly in all the many local conflicts.

Now the main task of the Russian marines has not changed - to quickly land on the shore, gain a foothold and provide a bridgehead for the landing of units and subunits of the Ground Forces. The actions of the marines support the fire of ships and aviationbut the marines have their own tank and artillery units. The Russian marines are gradually increasing their firepower and this is not a desire for aggression, but healthy competition with a likely enemy.

Secondly, the marine corps performs the most important tasks of protecting ships and sea caravans. Today, this component in the activities of the marine corps is becoming more visible: for example, Russian marines participated in the protection of ships in the Indian Ocean from Somali and other pirates, terrorist groups. Indeed, many seas still remain very dangerous for shipping precisely because of piracy and terrorist activity.

Finally, the marine corps is used to ensure the security of the facilities of their countries abroad - naval bases, embassies and representative offices. For example, fighters of the Marine Corps traditionally guard all American embassies in other states of the world.

To protect the interests of Russia


Russia, like the USA, China and many other countries, has its own interests, extending far beyond its borders. Since modern conflicts are predominantly local in nature, the marines become an ideal tool for protecting and asserting their positions in countries separated from Russia by sea and long distances.

Our marines have proven themselves in Syria. Recently, much has been said about the possibility of creating our bases in African countries - Sudan, Mozambique, Egypt, Libya. If they are created, then it will be on the marine corps that the main burden will lie on their protection and defense in case of attacks. There is no doubt that the fighters will cope with this - even the magazine of the likely enemy noted the high combat effectiveness of the Russian Navy, excellent training of personnel, which the Americans might well envy, not to mention the British or Chinese.

By the way, American General Robert Neller, from 2015 to 2019. Commander of the US Marine Corps, as he said to the personnel, that the American marines in the future will have to act not so much in the Middle East as in the Asia-Pacific region. After all, it is Russia and China that the United States considers its main rivals and a potential threat to its dominance.

There is no doubt that the Pacific Ocean is one of the most important zones of confrontation between the powers, and the Pacific Fleet consists of the most numerous formations of the Russian marines, and marine officers were traditionally trained at the Far Eastern Combined Arms School (now they are also taught in Ryazan, along with future officers Airborne Forces and Special Forces).

Therefore, to summarize the above, we can conclude that as long as Russia is a world power, as long as it has interests in other regions of the world, as long as the Russian fleet exists, the marines will also be needed, including taking into account modern versions of armed conflicts with called "hybrid" components.
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  1. GKS 2111 15 January 2020 05: 06 New
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    Does Russia Need Marines?
    What a question, of course I need !!!
    as long as Russia is a world power, as long as it has interests in other regions of the world, as long as the Russian fleet exists, the marine corps will be needed
    Where we are, there is victory!
    1. Tatyana 15 January 2020 05: 15 New
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      Black Berets of the Future: Does Russia Need Marines?
      Needed! And as needed !!!
      Without an infantry soldier of ANYONE - land or sea - military operations will never end, in principle, NEVER! For it will always be a semi-victory!
      1. Uncle lee 15 January 2020 05: 34 New
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        Does Russia Need Marines?
        As well as aviation, navy and ground forces? NEEDED! - to hold our "partners" in anticipation of lyuley! soldier
    2. Hunter 2 15 January 2020 05: 54 New
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      Russian Marine Corps is Very Needed!
      It must be said that Our Marine Corps has never been an analogue of the United States Marine Corps. At least compare their number ... MP RF ~ 12 thousand fighters, the United States Marine Corps ~ 170 thousand (even has its own air wing). Therefore, the comparison is not entirely correct ...
      If we take the main tasks of Our Marines, they look as follows:
      1. The landing of tactical amphibious assault forces
      2. Use as the first echelon during operational landing
      3. Defense of basing points and anti-airborne defense.
      The ability to use MP in any remote point of the globe.
      As long as Russia has a Fleet, Marine Soldiers will and will be needed! I am glad that the MP - returned tank formations.
      The main problems of the Russian MP are delivery vehicles. It is necessary to build both BDK and MDK, specific delivery vehicles for the ZUBR project (allowing landing on an unprepared shore). And finally, build a UDC of good capacity with a good wing!
      The very motto of the Marine Corps, WHERE WE ARE TERMS OF VICTORY, Says that there are no impossible tasks for the Marines! Since November 27, 1705, the Marine Corps - Serves Russia, has captured itself in Battle Glory and will show Itself to itself more than once! soldier
      1. ddd1975 15 January 2020 08: 21 New
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        12 thousand - this is together with the coast guard. The tasks of the MP are not only in landing, but in the protection of coastal and marine objects. And comparing the US and Russian marines is generally pointless ... At joint exercises (though it was almost 20 years ago, but I hope that something has changed only for the better) loading on the BDK was 14 times faster. And if you compare them and our standards, then they, in principle, differ significantly at times !!! We’ll keep silent about marine special forces — I don’t even know who our Holulay can be compared to - many don’t even know who they are, unlike fur seals whose PR is over the top ... I think a fur seal will not even understand what he died from ...
        1. Mordvin 3 15 January 2020 08: 30 New
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          Quote: ddd1975
          I don’t even know with whom we can compare our Holulay

          American cats beat our saboteurs in basketball. crying
          1. Serg65 15 January 2020 12: 41 New
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            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            American cats beat our saboteurs in basketball.

            For which they got on the neck! laughing
            1. Mordvin 3 15 January 2020 12: 50 New
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              Quote: Serg65
              For which they got on the neck!

              Yeah. Our for this basketball heaped on the most I can not. laughing Plus speed capture of the ship.
          2. ddd1975 28 January 2020 10: 34 New
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            American seals didn’t see our saboteurs ... probably played with a host company!
        2. Hunter 2 15 January 2020 08: 43 New
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          Quote: ddd1975
          12 thousand - this is together with the coast guard. Tasks MP not only in landing, but in the protection of coastal and marine facilities.

          What does coast guard mean? Coast Guard - FSB Border Troops.
          Navy Coastal Forces — which includes the Marine Corps — number ~ 35 thousand.
          1. ddd1975 28 January 2020 10: 31 New
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            Are you sure that the bases, ports and other objects are guarded by the frontier troops of the FSB or DShB ??? There are 4 brigades (previously there was still 55 division) - most of the brigades are in reserve ... For example: from two regiments - 1 or 2 battalions in a stripped-down squad, the rest as households. These are the so-called DSB. And there are parts which also include the Marines (in uniform), but they are only involved in the protection of objects - a guard duty. Well, at least it was in my time ...
        3. phair 16 January 2020 02: 30 New
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          Initially, Ha Lo Wei (lackey). Novojigitets;) So that not kitties, nor Pal Palych, all involved!
        4. Sailor 18 January 2020 12: 57 New
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          During my military service at the Black Sea Fleet in Ochakovo, special forces of the Navy were rumored that there was very serious preparation there, and getting there was not easy.
      2. novel66 15 January 2020 08: 21 New
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        huge respect for you !!! drinks hi
      3. rich 15 January 2020 15: 57 New
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        Ilya Polonsky:Does Russia Need Marines?

        Ilya, I will tell you a terrible secret - Russia is not an oasis in the desert.
  2. Kleber 15 January 2020 05: 10 New
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    since the publication is American, its authors simply could not give first place to compatriots.


    The first place is only due to the fact that compatriots. And in real life, their marines are ordinary infantry, and our already elite special forces units.
    1. Korax71 15 January 2020 05: 44 New
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      Well, it’s not quite true. What we have is that the Marine Corps is an elite unit. In terms of physical, combat training, there are a lot of similarities (there may be differences in standards and exercises, but in general there is not much difference). The tasks performed are also quite similar. .the biggest difference is the lack of modern amphibious assault landing gear and other nishtyakov, which gives the advantage and autonomy of the actions of the United States Naval Forces and what our marines lack so much.
      1. Private-K 15 January 2020 11: 41 New
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        The first sign of elite is SELECTION!!! By height. By weight. For health. By physical condition. In the psyche. Yes, even the color of the eyes and hair.
        So, there has never been any selection at the US ILC! In the ILC, the United States can do whatever it wants. No limits. Those. the first sign of elite troops is absent.
        The ILC of the United States is not elite and not a “unit” (apply the term “unit” to The corps Marins is generally illiterate).
        The ILC of the United States is, in fact, a separate integrated type of aircraft that includes both ground, air and sea components. The term Marins has long been simply a tribute to tradition and nothing more. (It's like in France, tank regiments are called cuirassier regiments, and the landing regiment on armored vehicles is called the hussar regiment.)
        Out of the 160th corps, less than 30 are the marines themselves (and this includes the scouts). The rest is anyone.
        1. Korax71 15 January 2020 12: 06 New
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          I’ll disappoint you. When selecting for the ILC, exactly like in our MP, at least you must have a certain category of health suitability, level of education, lack of criminal record, must be in good physical shape. Separately, according to the ILC, there are parameters for minimum and maximum weight with a certain growth. as well as with us for admission to serve under the contract, a series of tests for the psycho-emotional state, etc. are carried out. For general development, all countries in which he has requirements for candidates for service in the MP and there is one more thing. For example, the 77th brigade included two infantry and one reconnaissance battalion — directly landing forces, which didn’t interfere with having an artillery division, obs, idr, rmo, its fire department, and even an orchestra. the strength of the brigade, in the event of hostilities, the main combat load would be borne by only a third of the personnel according to your logic ??? no !!!! if you can shoot well, then there must be someone who will deliver the ammunition, darn it if necessary, feed it etc. there is no military action without support units and rear services.
          1. Private-K 15 January 2020 13: 25 New
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            when selecting in the ILC, exactly like in our MP, at least you must have a certain category of health suitability, level of education, lack of criminal record, must be in good physical shape.

            These criteria are VERY LOW. In fact, they don’t take only really sick people with serious problems with physical health, psyche or aykju level of “half-dib”.
            I don’t know how in Russia, but in the Soviet 1960-80s. there was a Degree of Limitations (this is an official term!) not less than СО-1. Those. this is the level of a VERY healthy person, without any sores, growth not lower than 175 cm, etc., etc. Above this level of health, only those people who can be fighter pilots. Nothing of the kind exists for the American and did not exist. Never.
            separately according to the ILC when receiving there are parameters of the minimum and maximum weight

            In a situation of mass obesity, even youth (which should be slim and fit by nature) is a necessary measure. Obesity is a disease, yes.
            with a certain growth.

            Well, what is the same growth restriction for the US CLC? Take a look and tell us.

            And compare all this with REALLY ELITE special forces of the fleet, army, air force.

            Quote: Korax71
            The 77th brigade included two infantry and one reconnaissance battalion — directly landing forces, which didn’t interfere with having an artillery division, obs, idr, and rmo fire department and even an orchestra. Here it turns out that the main combat load in the according to your logic, only a third of the personnel would carry military operations ??? no !!!! if you know how to shoot well, then there must be someone who delivers the ammunition to you, darn it if necessary, feed it, etc. It doesn’t happen military operations without an auxiliary subsection tion and rear services.


            I’m trying to explain to you that the term Marins is applicable only as a tribute to tradition. A pilot cannot be a marine, he just serves in type of sun which is called Marins. A helicopter pilot serving in the missile wing of an ICBM is not a missile, it just serves in a military structure called the "missile wing" and is part of type of aircraft called the air force.
            1. tatarin1972 21 January 2020 22: 22 New
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              The selection in the Marine Corps of the USSR was, recruits were selected at the collection points. And in the crews of the fleet at the PTK, there were also enough people who wanted, for health, category A-1, education not lower than average, preference was given to the Slavs, preferably with sports categories. As my company political officer said, only GB troops could take recruits recruited to the Marine Corps.
    2. knn54 15 January 2020 09: 27 New
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      They remember the marines when they squeeze.
      It is necessary that there would be a brigade at each fleet, and a division at the Pacific Fleet. Moreover, the most reinforced.
      The NSC somehow disbanded the Marines, and after seven years had to be restored from scratch.
      Serdyukov also tried to get a nod, but "left" in time.
      The list of tasks is huge, especially in connection with the intensification of terrorist threats, the rattling of weapons of the West.
  3. Far B 15 January 2020 05: 17 New
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    Of course I need.
    But do we need it?
    Sudan, Mozambique, Egypt, Libya
    1. carstorm 11 15 January 2020 06: 53 New
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      it all depends on the interests of the state. they say it needs to be so. such questions always surprised. there are no countries in this world that have no interests in various parts of the world and cannot exist.
      1. Far B 15 January 2020 07: 03 New
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        they say it’s necessary, so be it
        Yeah. A recent example is raising the retirement age))) The position of a ram that goes where it is led. For a haircut - means for a haircut. For random - it means for random. To a slaughterhouse, then to a slaughterhouse. It is so necessary.
        1. carstorm 11 15 January 2020 07: 06 New
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          What does pension reform have to do with it? what kind of game is infantile forever in all topics with this climb? as for the position, people of the military have no such liberties. where they order there and let's go. this is not a ram position. it's just called a service. there is no democracy and your opinion on the need is not asked.
          1. Far B 15 January 2020 07: 15 New
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            What does pension reform have to do with it?
            Despite the fact that they also said: "It is necessary."
            game infantile
            The infantile game is just to do everything that they say to you without thinking, because, you see, "it is necessary."
            military people
            The fact that the military will carry out the order is perfectly clear. But the speech, in fact, in the article is not only about military people. The title, in fact, clearly spelled out - "Does Russia need ...". Accordingly, my commentary on bases in all sorts of Mozambique, the Central African Republic and other Papuans concerned Russia, and not "military men."
            1. carstorm 11 15 January 2020 07: 30 New
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              Well, by my nature, only a military point of view is interesting to me, so that I will omit everything else and will not answer. since the time of service, I have seen such statements and seen enough and heard enough and somehow pall.
  4. thanks 15 January 2020 05: 20 New
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    Quote: Military Review * Analytics
    Therefore, summing up the above, we can conclude - as long as Russia is a world power, as long as it has interests in other regions of the world, as long as the Russian fleet exists, the marine corps will be needed

    "Marine Corps, Russians," Hurray! " they’ll shout three times
    The people of Russia walk with you And the candles are burning festively.
    It is so good that there are faithful sons in the world of Russia!
    The enemy is your black berets. Afraid like Satan ... "
    1. Private-K 15 January 2020 11: 22 New
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      Russian Marines worse than Satan?
      Does the author of this "rhyme" even understand what kind of allegory does he prescribe?
  5. certero 15 January 2020 05: 30 New
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    I’ll go against the general trend, but I’ll ask - where is the Russian Marine Corps going to land?
    Now that the marines and paratroopers are just more motivated motorized infantry. And not having enough heavy weapons.
    And it will not be used for its intended purpose.
    1. Korax71 15 January 2020 05: 54 New
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      One of the tasks of the Marine Corps is to land, but there are a number of tasks that it performs. Our history knows examples of when it was necessary to land troops on its own territory. The Marines were already abolished at the time, deciding that it was SVs will cope, and at the first exercises everything ended very deplorably. I won’t delve into the difference between the training of the ground forces and the marines, you can study at your leisure.
    2. ddd1975 15 January 2020 08: 12 New
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      You are wrong ... absolutely. One of the main combat tasks of the DShB is to provide a bridgehead, while up to 90% of combat losses are considered acceptable. What kind of wax is there in the world where such losses are considered "permissible"? Because of this, slang is called “gandons” on the slang (mostly airborne troops — for which they rake :)) - “like, disposable troops.” At one time, the MP with a parachute jumped (sometimes) no less than the Airborne Forces, and certainly “no one coma us” landed through the torpedo tubes (at least with such regularity) ...
      1. certero 15 January 2020 08: 44 New
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        How tired you are with your nonsense. nothing like this at all in military planning.
        What document in general speaks about the level of losses? Can you give an excerpt from the charter?
  6. Odysseus 15 January 2020 05: 51 New
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    The Marine Corps, like any other military branch, is an instrument. It all depends on what do we want , that is, from the political and military strategy of the state.
    If we want to join the world community and be guided by the modern standards of capitalist democracy, that is, there is no peace according to the Western model, it is not needed.
    If the Russian Federation positions itself as a regional capitalist power, then it is probably needed in the Pacific Fleet and Northern Fleet, but in a small amount, for coastal defense. In this case, the main conflicts will occur on land and in the post-Soviet space.
    But if the Russian Federation is positioned as a global imperialist predator claiming the status of a country of the first world, then you need an ocean fleet and marines
    1. certero 15 January 2020 08: 46 New
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      Russia does not position itself as a global predator, we have no interests where to land. It is already clear that we will operate with high-tech weapons and rely on local forces.
      No marines are needed for this. And most importantly, we will not be able to bring it there - not at all.
  7. kepmor 15 January 2020 06: 15 New
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    since cadet times about the Marine Corps only enthusiastic memories ...

    - Colonel Malyshev (the head of the department of the MP VVMU named after Frunze, the former NS regiment of the MP DKBF MP, Baltiysk) - a sample of the MP officer ... a 2-meter grenadier with oblique fathom in the shoulders ... drill dress at the Kremlin level ... a commanding voice that the Jericho trumpet ... the Order of the Red Star for one of the fighting + "sheriff's star" ...
    - after the first year, two weeks in the regiment of the MP DKBF ... from rise to end time the motto - "would be bones, increase meat" was strictly carried out ... in the first march-throw along the dunes, with only one AK, they "survived" not everything that significantly increased the company’s stay in the regiment’s sports campus for the entire period ... the result was impressive ... so the training ground with the 1th march-throw, with the "landscape" landscape in full profile, with running-in -4 and the shooting went off with a bang ... even the inspection of the bag’s clothes, before leaving the regiment, where all the “most valuable” commits were seized ennoe from the landfill, could not overshadow the memories ...
    so the Marines were, are and always will be ...
    1. certero 15 January 2020 08: 47 New
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      I do not interfere in your memories, I would like to ask for what purposes do you need the Marines now? Well, except that this is an elite unit and it’s good to tell later that you served in it. What tasks are set before it in the framework of the military doctrine of Russia?
      however, its numbers are so insignificant that we can afford it.
      1. Korax71 15 January 2020 13: 00 New
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        We can afford a lot of things, but thank God this is not decided from a combat couch. In 2000, the 77th brigade was formed in the Caspian Sea, although following the general optimization of the armed forces and the fleet, it was reduced to one battalion. Last year, 177ppm was deployed on its base and the construction of a naval base. I think that the General Staff understands better what tasks it is going to set. Well, and once again for your overall development I will repeat that the MP is a highly abundant army. Imagine that defending your geopolitical interests, you need to render military help, your ally has access to the sea. you need to create a bridgehead for the subsequent delivery of troops and equipment. of course, you can deliver it by air, but here the following difficulty arises, load-carrying capacity of military aviation. To train personnel for a short time, for example you will not be able to conduct combat coordination of units as well as establish cooperation with the fleet, from the word altogether, the marine infantry is not an invasive type of armed forces, it is one of the instruments for projecting state interests.
    2. Private-K 15 January 2020 11: 28 New
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      MP regiment? Does this mean the time of 1979?

      Quote: kepmor
      in the first march on the dunes, with only one AK, not all survived,

      For carrying out the so-called "march-throws" command must be punished! For nonprofessionalism. For Illiteracy in matters of physical fitness. For undermining the fighting efficiency of the unit for a while.
      If this time until 1979 (separate regiments of the MP then were), then it is understandable. Our commanders loved this ... angry
      As far as I know, in modern Russian Armed Forces march throws are canceled. fellow
      1. kepmor 15 January 2020 13: 07 New
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        come on, Oleg ...
        for 19-year-old boys, with asses sitting out at school desks and light-filled “white sea”, good physical exertion is the most ... no one died and did not become a cripple ...
        but the arrogance in relation to the army fellows was significantly reduced ...
        1. Private-K 15 January 2020 14: 16 New
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          A throw march does not teach or train. But it leads to a massive failure of personnel as a result of the inevitable rubbing of the legs and exhaustion of the body. A company after a 10-km march is ineffective for a period of several hours to a day or more. Plus - losses sharply increase due to the fact that the fighter cannot act at full strength (exhausted), he has grated and swollen legs, sharply, several times!, The accuracy of shooting decreases, apathy occurs, etc., etc.
          The content of the necessary and really useful physical activities looks completely different than a “march-throw”. There are a lot of really useful, non-traumatic and non-exhausting WASTED exercises.
          A throw march is stupidity.
          And one should not confuse a normal MARCH as a long walking movement, with a MARCH-BROTHER conducted in accelerated mode with alternating running and fast stride.
          If the “marching retraction” (that is, the trained ability to walk for a long time, including in tactical situations), then the march throw is a pseudo-ostentatious perversion.
          1. 75 Sergey 17 January 2020 08: 53 New
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            What is this nonsense written?
            A throw march is not a training, but an exam, where deficiencies in preparation are revealed. Intermediate Offsets Possible
            1. Private-K 17 January 2020 08: 58 New
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              The delirium in the heads of those commanders who use march throws not as an exam, but as a training. And that was ubiquitous phenomenon.
              Instead of the right, scientifically-based, diverse, methodological training, it’s much easier to stupidly drive to morning crosses and march throws.

              Look at the kepmor posting above - in 2 weeks, at least 4 march throws.
              Cretinos. They are also proud of it.
          2. Kudinov Andrey 17 January 2020 21: 36 New
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            Private-K (Oleg), during my service, a little piece of wood (running) as part of a unit with weapons and personal belongings, well, sometimes with rd it was commonplace, i.e. almost every Saturday or Sunday a sporting event. Start under the orchestra, came running, smoked, weapons in place and further on schedule. But “MARCH as a long walking movement” is when loading does not allow you to run, for example, hp mortar battery 80 mm. after training firing, it moves to the place of temporary deployment with personal weapons, mortars and ammunition residues.
      2. 75 Sergey 17 January 2020 09: 32 New
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        Do they give you a tit for the night in the crib?
  8. Van 16 15 January 2020 07: 07 New
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    In my humble opinion - necessary. Is it possible to imagine Russia without the Marine Corps? Nonsense.
  9. Fibrizio 15 January 2020 09: 34 New
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    It seems to me that another question is more relevant now.
    Does Russia need carrier-based aviation? If so, why.
    Again, if so, where will they fly from?
    Also, the question of replacing an outdated fleet. Will we delay the creation of a new aircraft for the needs of one aircraft carrier (if at all) and is it not more profitable to buy 50 standard army aircraft with this money?
    The country does not need rudiments, but the necessary tools. If there are tasks for the Marine Corps, then why give them up?
    If all their tasks are covered by a different type of army, then they need to be poured into the composition of other military branches, possibly with some preservation of additional training.
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    Now the main task of the Russian marines has not changed - to quickly land ashore, gain a foothold and provide a bridgehead for the landing of units and subunits of the Ground Forces.


    If we take the main tasks of Our Marines, they look as follows:
    1. The landing of tactical amphibious assault forces
    2. Use as the first echelon during operational landing
    3. Defense of basing points and anti-airborne defense.


    WIKI
    Marine Corps (MP) - a branch of forces (troops) ...... whose tasks include capturing the coastline, port infrastructure, islands and peninsulas, ships and ships, enemy naval bases, from the air (parachute landing) and water.


    The question is, does this require a separate type of force?
    Or ordinary infantry will cope, after preparation for a specific task.
    1. Korax71 15 January 2020 12: 21 New
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      This has already been discussed 100500 times. Firstly, the marine corps is a branch of the coastal forces, which is part of the navy and is not a separate type of troops. Secondly, train ordinary infantry for specific tasks, provide it with the necessary landing equipment and weapons and once again you get the same marines. request
      1. Doctor 15 January 2020 12: 59 New
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        Marine Corps is a branch of the coastal forces, which is part of the Navy and is not a separate branch of the troops.


        Exactly. The OBATO Airborne Guard companies and the Strategic Missile Forces anti-sabotage units also perform specific tasks, but in essence they are ordinary infantry.
        1. Korax71 15 January 2020 13: 07 New
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          As it’s not entirely clear, your comparison of the security forces operating in the land order and the air assault troops, one of the main tasks of which is to land amphibious assault request
    2. 75 Sergey 17 January 2020 08: 51 New
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      The preparation is not the same for simple infantry, where the specifics are more complicated than in the airborne forces.
      1. Doctor 17 January 2020 09: 20 New
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        The preparation is not the same for simple infantry, where the specifics are more complicated than in the airborne forces.

        The infantry constantly has tasks that require specific training. We must take Ishmael. Suvorov is building a mini-fortress-preparation-assault. It is necessary to force the Dnieper. Weeks 3 preparation - afterburner. It is necessary to take the city on the armor of tanks. Short preparation and forward.
        What is so outrageous with the Marines that cannot be mastered in a month?
        1. 75 Sergey 17 January 2020 11: 15 New
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          In addition to all that the Airborne Forces have - the use of swimming equipment and specific weapons, as well as tactics and combat techniques in specific conditions.
          1. Doctor 17 January 2020 11: 33 New
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            In addition to all that the Airborne Forces have - the use of swimming equipment and specific weapons, as well as tactics and combat techniques in specific conditions.


            Well, these are fighting swimmers, as I understand it. I agree here. A small number of marine special forces for reconnaissance and sabotage missions. But actually keep the military?
            The same song with the Airborne. The era of mass landings has passed (and it never was). DRG of 12-15 people, throwing out at night is our everything.
            Total we have: 10 special forces brigades on the basis of the Special Operations Directorate of GU with the number of up to 2 contract soldiers each, prepared to fight on land, in heaven and sea. The rest will be done by infantry.
        2. Kudinov Andrey 17 January 2020 22: 08 New
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          Arzt (Yuri), Marine landing on an unfamiliar unequipped coast (surface and underwater, day and night), airborne landing ((DSB) day and night), under various weather conditions, in different climatic conditions, sometimes very different from the middle zone of Russia, the possession of several military and military personnel and types of personal weapons, orientation on unfamiliar terrain (without gadgets), the performance of a combat mission by forces of a separate unit without external support, combat operations in urban environments, etc. How? Overcome in a month?
          1. Doctor 18 January 2020 00: 33 New
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            Arzt (Yuri), Marine landing on an unfamiliar unequipped coast (surface and underwater, day and night), airborne landing ((DSB) day and night), under various weather conditions, in different climatic conditions, sometimes very different from the middle zone of Russia, the possession of several military and military personnel and types of personal weapons, orientation on unfamiliar terrain (without gadgets), the performance of a combat mission by forces of a separate unit without external support, combat operations in urban environments, etc. How? Overcome in a month?


            All this of course not. I will not master. But. Are you sure that the training is at its best now?

            Honest memoirs of marines V. Varvarov. "Flight to war. The story of a marine officer"

            ... However, we did not want to fly at all. There was no fear, there was uncertainty. It seemed to us that we were not ready yet, we needed at least a week for our additional training, and many of the “sailors” (those from ships, etc.) who had recently arrived to us had little idea even about which side to approach the machine and which button to press so that a shot is heard.

            ... Before boarding the plane on the runway, there was some confusion, the commanders were in no hurry to give orders to their subordinates to load on the planes. Still, the admiral who led the process of sending deceit or military cunning nevertheless managed to put Captain Alexander Shishlyannikov’s unit on the plane - a blizzard “walked” along the runway, and it was possible to warm up only in the cabin, the ramp was closed, the plane flew off.

            ... Sailors saw and felt insecurity among their commanders. Our battalion commander Gena Sulimuk simply said to us commanders: “Guys, we all understand perfectly well that these are not exercises. How will we fight with incompletely trained fighters? ”

            ... All day we rearm. We were given under-barrel grenade launchers (I, an officer, saw this thing for the first time in my life), unpacked boxes with cartridges and grenades.


            We studied, as usual with us, already in the war.
            1. Kudinov Andrey 18 January 2020 23: 43 New
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              Arzt (Yuri), as shown by both Chechen wars, in which the combined units of the MP took part, they suffered the smallest losses of all the troops involved in the combat arms. At the same time, military officers and conscripts participated in the hostilities; there was no contract at that time. I quit 10 years before these events, just at that time officers with military experience began to come after Afghanistan, respectively, certain changes began to take place in combat training. Until that time, we did not suffer from idleness, because they didn’t get out of the training grounds, training, shooting, parachute jumps, plus combat duty (guarding facilities abroad, etc.), and the little time spent in the unit is a guard service for guarding compound objects, internal outfits, and again different combat and physical training. And so, Comrade V. Varvarov correctly writes, you can get combat experience only in war and no matter how much you train, it will seem like there was not enough time. Well, what you learn during training will depend on whether you gain combat experience and survive under certain conditions, or whether you’ll become 200m.
  11. Seld 15 January 2020 12: 18 New
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    Quote: Far In
    What does pension reform have to do with it?
    Despite the fact that they also said: "It is necessary."
    game infantile
    The infantile game is just to do everything that they say to you without thinking, because, you see, "it is necessary."
    military people
    The fact that the military will carry out the order is perfectly clear. But the speech, in fact, in the article is not only about military people. The title, in fact, clearly spelled out - "Does Russia need ...". Accordingly, my commentary on bases in all sorts of Mozambique, the Central African Republic and other Papuans concerned Russia, and not "military men."


    Misha, have you heard anything about the geopolitical strategy? However, the question is rhetorical, because, obviously, “NO”, based on your question.
    But it is within the framework including of such strategies, the state (any) determines for itself the need to be "at least on Mars, even in Mozambique." The reasons are not to explain this in the simple language of “housewives and vocational schools”.
    The strategy of international cooperation / presence is so complicated that your kament once again confirms: this is not for “housewives”. You just need to take note of the information about the need for the state (anyone) to be at one point or another on the planet and rejoice that such information is basically leaking into the network.
  12. ccsr 15 January 2020 12: 47 New
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    Author:
    P P 'SЊSЏ RџRѕR "RѕRЅSЃRєRёR№
    . Recently, much has been said about the possibility of creating our bases in African countries - Sudan, Mozambique, Egypt, Libya.

    For the sake of interest, could the author of the article talk more specifically about the level of those who say this, if only because we have other more important tasks for the country and its armed forces. Maybe this article is another crush of water in a mortar, because in 2019 this issue has already been discussed?
  13. iouris 15 January 2020 13: 27 New
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    And someone can put the problem this way: if there is neither the Marine Corps nor the Airborne Forces, do they need such a “Russia of the Future”?
  14. Host Tavern 15 January 2020 14: 01 New
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    Marine Corps - an integral part of the Russian Army !!!!
  15. Luty 15 January 2020 18: 48 New
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    The Russian Marine Corps is an elite. In the 80s, for the most part, there were guys of 180 cm tall and visible from afar and black in shape.
  16. Rocj 16 January 2020 00: 58 New
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    Need and need again!
  17. 75 Sergey 17 January 2020 08: 50 New
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    The Marines preserved the traditions of the Red Army, which is objectionable to the Russian authorities, even the red stripe was not changed, unlike the Airborne Forces.
    Sincerely respectful to them, really a popular division.
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  19. Pavel Amarok 18 March 2020 10: 31 New
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    MP is not just needed on its own, the number needs to be increased, especially if it is planned to create naval bases somewhere far from the Russian Federation. In order not to spray the country's own defense potential, to increase the number of marines (with a health group of up to B1 inclusive, people, fortunately, are enough for now). In no case do not allow a situation in which a soldier with A1 gets into the "motorized" troops.