Belarus announced the search for an alternative to Russian oil supplies

Belarus announced the search for an alternative to Russian oil supplies

Belarus is looking for an alternative to Russian oil supplies. Minsk has already sent out commercial offers to potential oil suppliers in exchange for Russian. This was stated by First Deputy Prime Minister of the Government of Belarus Dmitry Krutoy, reports Sputnik Belarus.


All commercial services of our plants, the Belarusian Oil Company are in negotiations almost daily. I think that here too we will soon receive alternative options for the supply of specific oil

- said Cool.

According to the First Deputy Prime Minister of the Government of Belarus, Minsk considers Ukraine, Poland, the Baltic countries, Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan as suppliers of alternative oil.

Krutoy explained that the problem with the supply of Russian oil is that Minsk does not want to pay Russian oil companies a premium to the market price in the same volumes.

Given the implementation of the tax maneuver and the annual increase in the cost of oil for Belarus by reducing customs duties, paying a premium to Russian oil companies in the amount that we agreed to do in 2011 does not make any sense today. It is just not economically feasible

- he said.

At the same time, RIA News referring to a source, it informs that Minsk’s reluctance to pay a market price for it prevents the negotiation of contracts for the supply of Russian oil to Belarus. At the same time, it is specified that Russian deliveries on the proposed conditions will be cheaper than other deliveries from the world market by at least $ 1,6 billion per year with an annual volume of 24 million tons.
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  1. Azazelo 14 January 2020 18: 31 New
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    Good luck biting with a real cap world !!!! The main thing then deal with debts and loans yourself.
    1. Alexander Suvorov 14 January 2020 18: 38 New
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      According to the First Deputy Prime Minister of the Government of Belarus, Minsk is considering suppliers of alternative oil Ukraine, Poland, the Baltic countries, Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan.
      This is really father’s annealing. Well, in our country, the most oil-bearing regions are concentrated on the Moonsund and near Khatsapetovka in the Poltava region ... laughing lol laughing
      I don’t want to offend the Belarusians, but the father’s guys generally went to the poor fellow from the coils. But he was warned not to leave him alone.
      1. knn54 14 January 2020 19: 23 New
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        Alexander, you’re ironic in vain. There is a lot of oil on the border of Poltava and Kharkov (and not only) oil, but it will take time and money even to re-preserve Belarus, but the Yankees have already put their paws. the British, and even the Chinese.
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          NKT 14 January 2020 19: 36 New
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          Ukraine practically did not engage in geological exploration, and ate the reserves explored in Soviet times. The peak of oil production was in 1972, about 15 million tons, now about two. So in the near future there is nothing to make up for the loss. She herself buys oil twice as much as she produces.
          1. maxim947 14 January 2020 20: 38 New
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            The mercantile desire of the Belarusians is quite understandable and reasonable on their part. But for a better understanding of this dispute, it would be nice to know at what price they want to buy and at what price we are ready to sell. There is no such information, only assumptions, officially the prices did not seem to be advertised. And without them, it is difficult to assess the action of the parties to the dispute. But intuitively, I suppose that the neighbors are lying a little, in the part that we offer them a price higher than the market.
            1. Pereira 14 January 2020 20: 57 New
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              Omerika will help.
            2. NKT
              NKT 14 January 2020 21: 31 New
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              What is on the Internet, speaks of numbers, for 2018, in the region of 80% of the market price + premium. In 2014, it was 50%.
        2. Chaldon48 14 January 2020 20: 22 New
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          The Chinese have time for everywhere, they have accumulated a lot of green paper, so they are in a hurry to materialize it.
        3. Zoldat_A 15 January 2020 01: 29 New
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          Quote: knn54
          On the border of Poltava and Kharkov (and not only) a lot of oil.

          If you drill through the globe through to Indonesia.

          In the meantime, from assets
          Quote: knn54
          on the border of Poltava and Kharkov

          only black earth ....
        4. maidan.izrailovich 15 January 2020 04: 03 New
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          On the border of Poltava and Kharkov (and not only) a lot of oil.

          What do you think is a lot?
          In the ranking of countries of the world in oil reserves, Ukraine is at 52nd (!!!!) place. What kind of "a lot" are we talking about?
      2. Zoldat_A 15 January 2020 01: 26 New
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        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        This is really father’s annealing.

        The outskirts have already found an alternative to Russian gas. But father does not give glory to sleep glorious Poroshenko?
      3. hydrox 15 January 2020 06: 02 New
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        Anyone who leads the Fatherland’s “twirl” movement understands how important the fuel reserve base is for NATO in the very center of Europe and practically on the front front of the NATO Liberation Campaign (it’s clear that this will not happen, but Stolbik needs at least something interest the media in the "dead season") laughing
    2. prosto_rgb 14 January 2020 18: 54 New
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      Quote: Azazelo
      Good luck biting with a real cap world !!!! The main thing then deal with debts and loans yourself.

      And what is there to cope with?
      n1. To transfer "capitalist" debts to the government of the Russian Federation.
      n2. Declare yourself Cuba or Mongolia.
      p3. Expect debt relief of $ 11 to $ 32 billion.
      1. Dmitry Donskoy 14 January 2020 19: 24 New
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        Well, as I understand it, we did not just write off debts, but immediately entered into lucrative contracts for much larger amounts. Somewhere I came across such information. yes
        1. private person 14 January 2020 21: 07 New
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          Well, as I understand it, we did not just write off debts, but immediately entered into lucrative contracts for much larger amounts

          It’s like you can’t pay one loan at a bank and immediately impose another to pay off the first. What's the point? Money as it was not and never will be. Where is the logic ? Anyway, the debt as it was and remained.
    3. NEXUS 14 January 2020 21: 19 New
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      Quote: Azazelo
      Good luck biting with a real cap world !!!! The main thing then deal with debts and loans yourself.

      Belarusians are our brothers, but Old Man behaves like a girl with low social responsibility. He is looking for cheaper where, despite the fact that about the debts of the USSR, which only the Russian Federation took upon itself no gu. But he wants to get gas and oil at prices lower than domestic. And he understands that the Kremlin will not let Belarus go, as it did with Ukraine, since it’s definitely not necessary to have a NATO base somewhere near Brest. That twirls backwards, like an obscene girl.
      1. Fitter65 14 January 2020 21: 34 New
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        somewhere near Brest, the NATO base is definitely not needed.

        And from Poland near Brest, is it necessary?
      2. Zoldat_A 15 January 2020 01: 34 New
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        Quote: NEXUS
        Belarusians are our brothers

        No doubt
        Quote: NEXUS
        but the Old Man behaves like a girl with low social responsibility

        And with a wide seat, able to sit simultaneously on both the American and Russian chairs.

        Only now I really haven’t seen such broad-shouldered people.
        1. NEXUS 15 January 2020 01: 53 New
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          Quote: Zoldat_A
          Only now I really haven’t seen such broad-shouldered people.

          Lesha, just in this case, either the ass will tear horizontally, or the chairs will part. But the trick is that more often both of them happen at the same time.
        2. Abbot 15 January 2020 05: 14 New
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          Only now I really haven’t seen such broad-shouldered people.

          How, and when the Americans buy the tanker with Russian LNG and drive the goods to Europe, what is it called? And without export duties, I note.
      3. Sewer krainiy 15 January 2020 17: 10 New
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        He is looking for cheaper where, despite the fact that about the debts of the USSR, which only the Russian Federation took upon itself no gu.

        I would like to recall that the Russian Federation assumed not only debts, but also real estate of the USSR over the hill, foreign debts to the USSR. Another question is how the new Russian authorities took advantage of this. I remember how they forgive very many-billion-dollar debts ... Do you think this is for free? And how many percent of foreign debts fell on the accounts of specific persons of Russia during this operation. How many Soviet foreign real estate was seized. Somehow, I would not speak about the debts of the USSR that Russia took upon itself. Yours faithfully hi
    4. Abbot 14 January 2020 22: 02 New
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      Quote: Azazelo
      Good luck biting with a real cap world !!!! The main thing then deal with debts and loans yourself.

      Listen, don’t interfere with politics here. As one influential person said (I hint), these are disputes of economic entities. As I understand it, purely commercial Russian private companies Neftis and Russneft, owned by citizen Gutseriev, supply oil to Belarusian oil refineries. And the Belarusian refineries are Naftan with a state share of 99,83% and Mozyr Oil Refinery with a state share of 42,76% and a share of 42,58% of the Russian (!) Slavneft company. Feel the difference? Therefore, for the interests of their refineries, Belarusian officials and Lushashenko himself, and on the Russian side are private traders and Putin shrugs. It may be right that we take it so close to our hearts, but the pockets of this story are still different and far from popular.
      1. Abbot 15 January 2020 00: 25 New
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        Quote: Abbot
        Lushashenko himself

        Lukashenko. Typo.
    5. venik 15 January 2020 13: 07 New
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      Quote: Azazelo
      Good luck biting with a real cap world !!!! The main thing then deal with debts and loans yourself.

      =======
      Lord Yes let them seek cheaper oil..... If they find !!!
    6. TermNachTer 15 January 2020 23: 08 New
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      Interestingly, in Belarus, did you hear the word logistics? Oil can be bought anywhere, even in Australia. How much will the transportation cost? - this is the main question.
  2. Svarog 14 January 2020 18: 31 New
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    According to the First Deputy Prime Minister of the Government of Belarus, Minsk considers Ukraine, Poland, the Baltic countries as suppliers of alternative oil,

    Do these countries produce oil? strange statement, didn’t our offered such an expensive price for oil of Belarus ..
    1. Observer2014 14 January 2020 18: 51 New
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      Vladimir hi Let them joke. How to let people in. And everything will be fine until the next cycle of oil shukaniya cheaply laughingThis is not my first year on the site and this is not the first time I have been publishing such a comment on this subject. After a couple of years we’ll talk about their gurgling of cheap oil again drinks
      1. Winnie76 14 January 2020 20: 38 New
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        Quote: Observer2014
        Vladimir Let them joke. How to make a mess

        I even know where. Isil sells oil at lower than market prices. laughing
        1. hydrox 15 January 2020 06: 15 New
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          Ага.
          Overseas price is a penny, only rupee delivery.
          Someone think that the supply of 3-5 oil tanks can be done anonymously?
          Figures! The traffic of each tank is tracked no worse than aircraft or sea.
    2. vitvit123 14 January 2020 20: 18 New
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      Old Man considers any price other than zero (from Russia), dear.
  3. carstorm 11 14 January 2020 18: 39 New
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    as Rosneft said no more concessions will be made. all this fuss is only due to the fact that the re-export that the RB has been involved in all these years is too tired of everyone. want lower prices-integration. do not want integration, spin. everything went to this. and it was necessary to start earlier of course. if you want preferences that go beyond the cooperation of two independent states, if you want us to support you, go for integration. you don’t want to force it will not. but the freebie is over. Well, it's wildness - getting oil below the market price is also free of duties since the Customs Union and stupidly sell everything at normal prices to everyone. well settled down.
    1. Ingvar 72 14 January 2020 19: 01 New
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      Quote: carstorm 11
      well this is wildness - getting oil below the market price is also free of duties since the Customs Union and stupidly sell
      Namely, that the customs union and the EEC. And these are the current agreements, according to which Russia is obliged to sell oil to Belarus without export duties, which, according to the Ministry of Finance last year, amounted to $ 90 per ton of oil. Article 28, paragraph 3 of the EEC Treaty. Nobody forced Russia to sign the EEC treaty; everything suited us at the time of signing. request And now our managers want to get the price higher, and in violation of the contract.
      Yes, Old Man makes money on this, but does it within the framework of the contract. To everyone indignant at the "impudence" Old Man I recommend reading the aforementioned agreement. hi
      1. carstorm 11 14 January 2020 19: 21 New
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        you’re a little mistaken. There are quotas for supplies that have always been calculated based on your approximate consumption and the possibility of processing. but in recent years, Belarus has constantly demanded an increase. the quantity in my opinion in the year 18 was such that even in an emergency it was impossible to process or spend it. it is all blocked. further more. taking into account the fact that Belarus is geographically closer than Europe, this has always influenced the price and taking into account that there are no duties, the price is lower than for deliveries of 50 bucks per ton to Europe. what else does he need, I don’t understand. what else makes fun of these bonuses and other things is an agreement of 11 years. but now they have declared that it’s impractical to pay this money. OK. Under the agreement, the oil that the Republic of Belarus refined should be sold in the form of a product in the Russian Federation or countries of the same CU or paid a full fee if sold outside the union. Have you heard about RB payments to the treasury of the Russian Federation? me not. nevertheless, for example, petroleum products are sold openly to Ukraine. About schemes with dark petroleum products, I generally keep quiet.
        1. Ingvar 72 14 January 2020 19: 30 New
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          Quote: carstorm 11
          there are quotas

          Is there a link? I did not find information on quotas. Let's start from the fact that I'm wrong - correct me with the facts.
          Quote: carstorm 11
          Under the agreement, the oil that the Republic of Belarus refined should be sold in the form of a product in the Russian Federation or in countries of the same CU or paid in full if sold outside the union.

          Where is this commitment spelled out?
          P.S. Petroleum products to Ukraine are also sold by Russia, and in large volumes. hi
          1. carstorm 11 14 January 2020 19: 39 New
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            look for bitumen schemes and solvents. there are often references to these contracts. too lazy to look. Yes, and Novak in 18 talked about restricting supplies, it is also easy to find.
            1. Ingvar 72 14 January 2020 19: 52 New
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              Quote: carstorm 11
              Yes, and Novak in 18 talked about restricting supplies

              Yes, they are limited by an intergovernmental agreement on the settlement of trade and economic cooperation in the field of export of oil and oil products, and are limited to 24 million tons. Article 1 point 2. -
              2. The indicative oil balances take into account the volumes of Russian crude oil intended for the Republic of Belarus at the request of the competent authority of the Republic of Belarus, from 2017 to 2024 - 24 million tons per annum by pipeline, as well as volumes of Russian crude oil destined for the Republic of Belarus, supplied by other means of transport.

              Next, we look at the picture of the amount of oil imported by Belarus in 2019.

              I have all the data converging. Correct again if I am wrong. request
              1. carstorm 11 14 January 2020 19: 54 New
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                Yes, I do not dispute the data) I'm more about the next steps)
                1. Ingvar 72 14 January 2020 19: 56 New
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                  Quote: carstorm 11
                  I'm more about the next steps)

                  Are you talking about deliveries to Ukraine? Claims would be appropriate if we didn’t deliver the same, but many times more. request
                  1. carstorm 11 14 January 2020 19: 59 New
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                    Actually, I'm talking about the fact that the sale of products abroad from Belarus is possible, only then you will have to pay duties, but I have not heard that they would be paid, and you? Ukraine seems not to be in the vehicle)
                    1. Ingvar 72 14 January 2020 20: 07 New
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                      Quote: carstorm 11
                      then you have to pay duties

                      The only thing I found on the subject of restrictions is an intergovernmental agreement. http://docs.cntd.ru/document/902047009
                      There duties are provided for exceeding quotas of 24 million tons. RB does not exceed them, respectively, the duty is not required to pay.
                      P.S. Once again - I'm not talking about the moral side of the issue, I'm talking about the legal rights of Belarus.
                      1. carstorm 11 14 January 2020 20: 19 New
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                        I know. but I remember the amount of 18 million. only me about something else. selling these products outside the CU, a fee must be paid. selling a duty within the TS should not be paid. realizing for example in Ukraine it was paid? what implements the Russian Federation abroad is subject to duty if that.
                      2. Ingvar 72 14 January 2020 21: 59 New
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                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        what implements the Russian Federation abroad is subject to duty if that.

                        Once again - it should, if it exceeds the amount of oil under the contract. request And if the contract stipulates a limit of 24 million tons, and it is not exceeded, then it is absolutely their business what they will do with oil. At least bury it in the ground.
                      3. carstorm 11 14 January 2020 22: 06 New
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                        You don’t understand what you’re talking about. I am talking about export duties abroad. about those duties that our treasury can receive by selling itself. if the Republic of Belarus trades our oil outside the CU without paying these duties, then this is called theft. last year, disassemblies on this topic were for this reason and began to reduce oil supplies. There are no duties only in the union zone, but if you are trading outside the limits without paying duties, you are obliged to pay them. everything is very simple.
                      4. Ingvar 72 14 January 2020 22: 19 New
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                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        if the Republic of Belarus trades our oil outside the Customs Union without paying these duties, then this is called theft

                        No, they bought this oil under an agreement with us, and have the right to dispose of it as they want. If you buy a thing at a discount and sell it at full cost - will you commit an act of theft? No, it will be speculation within the law. But Belarus does not sell oil, it processes it. And sells petroleum products.
                        Dmitry Anatolyevich personally signed the agreement! wink
                      5. carstorm 11 14 January 2020 22: 24 New
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                        Under the new agreement for the needs of oil refineries in 2017-2019. 18 million tons of oil are being transported. The remaining 6 million tons are re-exported by the Belarusian side, at its discretion, outside the territory of the Eurasian Economic Union. Since oil export outside the EAEU implies levying duties on the budget, the Belarusian side began to benefit from this, and the Russian budget only lost. It is clear that the Russian Ministry of Finance did not like it much. Proceeds from the re-export of Russian oil in the budget of Belarus are shown as gratuitous receipts from foreign countries. In 2017, our country received 1 million BYN under this article. Since other incomes also contain gratuitous receipts from other states, the approximate amount of duties from oil customs clearance over the past year can be estimated at BYN 242 billion. At the average dollar exchange rate, this amount reached about 1-500 million USD. What happened in 520? For 2018, Russia laid down 2018 billion rubles in the federal budget for the implementation of the re-export of oil condition. At the dollar exchange rate for the first half of 24,6, this amount became equivalent to 2018 million USD. The Ministry of Finance of Belarus recently reported on the implementation of the republican budget for the first half of the year. The volume of gratuitous receipts from abroad in 415 amounted to BYN 2018 million. This amount in dollars amounted to 925,6 million USD. It turns out that Belarusians for 465,4 months could very well choose the money that the Russian Federation determined for transfer for a whole year. Larger transfers to Belarus already require amendments to the federal budget of Russia. It is clear that the Russian authorities will not go on a budget correction just like that. A tough bargain is guaranteed for every million dollars. It is possible that, as a result, the Belarusian government will not be able to get extra money out of the Russian Federation at all. For 6, the Russians painted their expenses for the transfer of re-export duties in the amount of RUB 2019 billion. At the current exchange rate, the USD / RUB pair is less than 26,2 million USD. If nothing changes, next year the “charity” from Russia will end even earlier than in 400 - somewhere in the spring.
                      6. Ingvar 72 14 January 2020 22: 43 New
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                        Part of the article with banki24.by. Emotions and assumptions, no more. Well, for example -
                        Larger transfers to Belarus already require amendments to the federal budget of Russia.
                        This does not require any amendments, because the amounts are not the ones that would drive our budget into deficit. Especially with this surplus.
                        Website banki24.by. according to my observation (!) it is similar to our Kommersant and Novaya Gazeta - a liberal site, languidly fumbling with the policies of the current government. It seems that the numbers give the correct ones, but the presentation is peculiar. Or, like bulk, he speaks the truth, with the goal of destabilizing the country, and not improving people's lives.
                      7. carstorm 11 14 January 2020 22: 48 New
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                        On October 8, 2010, the CIS Economic Court gave Belarus and Russia three months to resolve a dispute over duties on petroleum products outside the court.

                        On December 9, following a meeting of the heads of state of the Customs Union, the head of the Ministry of Economic Development of the Russian Federation Elvira Nabiullina said that from January 1, the Russian Federation will abolish oil duties for Minsk upon ratification of documents on the CES (Common Economic Space), export duties on oil products will be levied on the external borders of the Customs Union, and Belarus agreed to completely transfer them to the Russian budget. and these 6 million tons were just a freebie. but this was not enough. thinners and bitumen began. awesome schemes for the withdrawal of petroleum products without paying duties. and this cannot be attributed to private traders because deliveries are all at the state level. damage billions to our treasury. constant blackmail and rising transit prices. constant demands of some new preferences. this whole circus is finished. and these statements about deliveries from other countries are another scam, for in any case our deliveries are cheaper anyway.
                  2. kapitan92 14 January 2020 22: 34 New
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                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    But Belarus does not sell oil, it processes it. And sells petroleum products.

                    I have to disagree with you.
                    In 2018, Belarus produced 1 million 670 thousand tons of oil. This is the highest figure in seven years, BelTA was told in the press service of Belorusneft.


                    94,4 thousand tons were extracted from new wells - this is the best result for the last 23 years. “Last year, the largest drilling program was completed, the largest number of hydraulic fracturing operations was carried out”
                    94,4 thousand tons were extracted from new wells - this is the best result for the last 23 years. “Last year, the largest drilling program was completed, the largest number of hydraulic fracturing operations was carried out. And this list can be continued, ”the press service noted.

                    40 new wells were commissioned - a maximum of the last 30 years. High-quality oil (light oil) delivered 311 thousand tons - the best result since 2008 ..

                    All oil produced in the Republic of Belarus is exported to Europe at market prices and receives for this sonorous “European ruble”.
                    Russian oil is refined, taking into account preferences, and then oil products go to the same Europe at market prices.
                  3. Ingvar 72 14 January 2020 22: 47 New
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                    Quote: kapitan92
                    I have to disagree with you.

                    Did not know. Interesting information. What about the quality of oil in Belarus? The oil that we produce in the Volga region does not differ in quality at all. Sukhodol’s brother-in-law pumps oil, says Kaka rare. Only for the mix goes.
                  4. kapitan92 14 January 2020 22: 55 New
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                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Quote: kapitan92
                    I have to disagree with you.

                    Did not know. Interesting information. What about the quality of oil in Belarus? The oil that we produce in the Volga region does not differ in quality at all. Sukhodol’s brother-in-law pumps oil, says Kaka rare. Only for the mix goes.

                    Volga and Ural oil is "heavy", a large number of impurities and sulfur compounds.
                    How is Belarusian oil characterized: High-quality mobile, industrial oil. Lightweight, low in sulfur. And the yield of light petroleum products during processing is quite high.
                    By the way, oil produced in the Republic of Belarus could cover 1/3 of domestic needs, but almost all is exported to Europe.
                    https://www.neft.by/2020/01/10/v-belarusi-otkryty-tri-novye-zalezhi-nefti/
              2. Cheerock 14 January 2020 22: 41 New
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                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Quote: carstorm 11
                if the Republic of Belarus trades our oil outside the Customs Union without paying these duties, then this is called theft

                No, they bought this oil under an agreement with us, and have the right to dispose of it as they want. If you buy a thing at a discount and sell it at full cost - will you commit an act of theft? No, it will be speculation within the law. But Belarus does not sell oil, it processes it. And sells petroleum products.
                Dmitry Anatolyevich personally signed the agreement! wink

                No. You bought a thing inside the country and you can sell it inside the country by paying VAT on the sale. As soon as you sell a thing abroad, you pay an export duty when registering a cargo customs declaration, but VAT is refunded to you upon confirmation of export.
              3. Ingvar 72 14 January 2020 22: 48 New
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                Quote: CheeRock
                You bought a thing inside the country and you can sell it inside the country by paying VAT on the sale

                Unless otherwise specified in the contract. But it is indicated. hi
  • sir_obs 14 January 2020 19: 30 New
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    Yes, Old Man makes money on this, but does it within the framework of the contract


    Only here is the question, but it is spelled out in the contract. that he can resell this oil outside Belarus?
    Belarus, within the framework of the agreement, must return to Russia a predetermined volume of refined petroleum products, but does not return, carried away by resale. It is useful to read the agreement on both sides.
    1. Ingvar 72 14 January 2020 19: 32 New
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      Quote: sir_obs
      Reading the contract is useful on both sides.

      Tell me the article of the contract?
  • Flooding 14 January 2020 19: 51 New
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    Quote: Ingvar 72
    And these are the current agreements, according to which Russia is obliged to sell oil to Belarus without an export duty, which, according to the Ministry of Finance last year, amounted to $ 90 per ton of oil.

    It has been written for several years that a tax maneuver associated with lowering the excise rate (possibly duties, but the customs duty is kind of import rather than export. I’m not sure) with a significant increase in the tax on mineral extraction (MET) should lead to higher oil prices. .
    1. Ingvar 72 14 January 2020 20: 02 New
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      Quote: Flood
      maybe duties. but the customs duty seems to be import, not export. not sure

      EEC Treaty, Article 28, Clause 3. As part of the functioning of the domestic market, in mutual trade in goods, Member States do not apply import and export customs duties (other duties, taxes and charges having equivalent effect), non-tariff regulation measures, special protective, antidumping and countervailing measures, with the exception of cases provided for by this Agreement.
      The market price of oil for all other 430-450 dollars per ton. Last year Belarus bought oil from us at 364 dollars. The difference is just the same export duty. hi
      1. vitvit123 14 January 2020 20: 51 New
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        I now read this agreement fluently and there are a lot of nuances. and under these nuances you can bring a lot of things .. and probably the same PDP ...
        I’ll just give an example of Art.29, Art. 71 and there are still slippery articles ... if you refer to this contract you need to read it and understand the whole, completely, and not separate articles, this is for any ..
        1. Ingvar 72 14 January 2020 21: 40 New
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          Quote: vitvit123
          Article 29, Article 71

          29 article no sideways. 71 read carefully.
          1. vitvit123 14 January 2020 21: 47 New
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            Article 29 ....
            1. Member States are entitled to apply restrictions in the mutual trade of goods (provided that such measures are not a means of unjustified discrimination or an implicit restriction on trade) if such restrictions are necessary for:
            1) protecting human life and health;
            2) the protection of public morality and the rule of law;
            3) environmental protection;
            4) the protection of animals and plants, cultural property;
            5) fulfillment of international obligations;
            6) ensuring the defense of the country and the security of a member state.
            Well, this is for you no sideways, but someone may be a PDA for ... substitute any of these points
            similar to Article 71 ... I generally led this, as an example, to the fact that I doubt that you are very familiar with this agreement. while I think you pulled out an article and focus on it ....
            further I speak for addition ---
            except as provided by this Agreement..
            Do you know this contract, have studied very well?

            Well, why does Luke not sue? there, even the court of the union state is registered in the agreement, it is possible to file it in your own, Belarusian ... so far nowhere .. I was interested in why? .. vague doubts torment me ...
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        The market price of oil for all other 430-450 dollars per ton. Last year Belarus bought oil from us at 364 dollars. The difference is exactly the same export duty.

        Yes, you are right, trade with the Republic of Belarus is duty-free. But with the growth of mineral extraction tax, the oil price for the Republic of Belarus increases accordingly.
        1. Ingvar 72 14 January 2020 21: 54 New
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          But with the growth of mineral extraction tax, the oil price for the Republic of Belarus increases accordingly.

          And for gas for us.
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            And for gas for us.

            So, you still do not know.
            In the domestic market, the increase in the severance tax rate is offset by a negative excise tax (the law was adopted by the State Duma in the summer of 2018).
            https://rg.ru/2018/07/24/gosduma-priniala-zakon-o-zavershenii-nalogovogo-manevra-v-otrasli.html
            Export price - due to zeroing the export duty by 2024.
            As a result, the price rises for Belarus.
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              Quote: Flood
              So, you still do not know.

              So "ours" nevertheless found a loophole in the EAEU agreement. request
              Quote: Flood
              In the domestic market, the increase in the severance tax rate is offset by negative excise tax

              At first, it may be so, but for some reason I’m sure that on the excise tax, + instead will appear over time. laughing hi
  • vitvit123 14 January 2020 20: 21 New
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    And where did you find the export duty in the PDI? Is this a domestic tax in Russia? sort of. No ?
    dad, it’s probably grated kalach, if everything was so simple, then he would have sued at least ... no?
    there at this point, there is little specificity, what taxes, duties, etc. ... In Belarus, then, too, enterprises pay taxes to the treasury of Belarus, no one in Russia seems to be outraged? if I'm wrong, then correct ..
    except as provided by this Agreement. this addition is suspicious. if you decrypt it, then ....
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      And where did you find the export duty in the PDI? Is this a domestic tax in Russia? sort of. No ?

      Do you want to argue with the Ministry of Finance, which claims that the export duty in the market price of oil is $ 90?
      Instead of accusing Belarus of stealing, you would pay attention to “our” managers.
      Dough in the country - chew booty, but they did not come up with anything better than foreign deposits.
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        I don’t 100% know what the Ministry of Finance said (far from you), but it seems that all the parsley that is being talked about here (well, you mention the EAEC agreement in this context) is a price increase because of the NPI, I’m talking about it. no ? By the way, I don’t even know whether Belarus pays this export duty, I’m just glad that Belarus will finally buy oil in another country (which I still doubt), for any price, it makes no difference to me (well done, well done) and time will tell where it will go ..
        ------ Would you instead what Belarus of stealing blame for "our" managerov attention paid .----- you again ... why would I on our managerov ... here speaks for Belarusian managerov, here I say so.
        and again, these videos (in which it’s not possible to be sure), the numbers (from different statistics) are more mundane, otherwise we’ll go to the side again ..

        you just spoke that Russia allegedly violates the agreement, and I modestly indicated that these were just your words and brought some questions ...
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          I'm just glad that Belarus will finally buy oil in another country

          Somewhere in your life Belarusians have spoiled you for something, you already roll a barrel in all the topics against Belarus. Just like Olezhek Egorov. wink
          Quote: vitvit123
          let's go more mundane, otherwise we’ll leave again ..

          Yes, of course, crane in the sky is better to discuss. And at this time, even a tit will not remain in the hand.
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          here we speak for Belarusian managers, so I’m talking.

          And on the other side of the negotiation process, who are the ananimas? No, guys, this does not happen))
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        Instead of accusing Belarus of stealing, you would pay attention to “our” managers.

        Exactly!
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    and EEC.

    Most likely you meant the EAEU (Eurasian Economic Union).
    EEC (European Economic Community). hi
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      Did you mean the EAEU

      Yes, thanks for the amendment. hi
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        Did you mean the EAEU

        Yes, thanks for the amendment. hi

        drinks hi
  • Abbot 15 January 2020 05: 51 New
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    as they said in Rosneft

    And where is Rosneft here, you can ask?

    The agreements between Russia and Belarus regarding oil supplies are private contracts of companies in which the government cannot intervene, said Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Kozak, noting that the premium requested by the Belarusian side will require “radical” changes in the principles of the Russian oil industry.
    .
    Half of the country's needs will be provided by the companies Russneft and Neftis Mikhail Gutseriev.
    https://oilcapital.ru/news/markets/13-01-2020/tseny-na-neft-dlya-belorussii-pravitelstvo-rf-ne-reguliruet


    Once again, what side does Rosneft supply to Belarusian refineries? Why is there no problem with gas? It is obvious that the state is hiding behind Russian private oil companies and twisting their hands to the Belarusian side. It is the lobbyists of private interests who sit in the government of the Russian Federation and push business interests of large private capital under the patriotic information blizzard. Ukraine 2.0 - Chernomyrdin and Co. You have to be blind, so you do not see pointless animals at your zoo.
  • Sewer krainiy 15 January 2020 17: 24 New
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    to get oil below the market price even without duties since the Customs Union and stupidly sell everything at normal prices to everyone in a row. well settled down.

    Dear, do you, at least somehow, read something sometimes. Belarus does not sell oil, but oil refined products (I decode for young men: gasoline, kerosene, diesel fuel, fuel oil, etc.). By the way, the depth of oil refining in Belarus is 20 percent higher than in Russia.
  • Theodore 14 January 2020 18: 40 New
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    Fell into childhood Rygorovich! Boils water like a little .....
  • prosto_rgb 14 January 2020 18: 47 New
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    Shaw again?
    News for 2 weeks already.
    The day before yesterday, we didn’t agree on transit, or rather, on the price.
    Today, that there is no need to adjust the budget of Belarus.
  • cat Rusich 14 January 2020 18: 49 New
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    “Bad example - contagious” - REVERSE oil supplies. No offense, the inhabitants of Belarus.
  • Po-tzan 14 January 2020 18: 51 New
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    The desire to gain energy independence from the Russian Federation is the first step on the path of benderofascism.
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      They have long been Litvin, or whatever. So everything is good there with small steps.
  • svoit 14 January 2020 18: 59 New
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    as Rosneft said no more concessions will be made. all this fuss is only due to the fact that the re-export that the RB has been engaged in all these years is too tired of everyone

    We need to maintain good relations with Belarus, and the problem of re-export is not worth a damn, it is simply forbidden. Moreover, the issue is not being resolved at the state level, but at the level of business entities. Just by writing in the contracts where the oil and products made from it go.
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      if everything is so simple, then what doesn’t work?
  • Losharik 14 January 2020 19: 09 New
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    Oh Old Man, even though I am for you and Belarus .. But look, the frayer's greed will destroy! They will arrange a maidan there in Minsk (and they have the strength and money)
    You will sit in Russia with Yanykovich and wait for the trial of the Slavs!
    Temper your ardor in eloquence hi
    1. Cheguevara 14 January 2020 21: 54 New
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      Under Lukashenko, it is not realistic to organize a Maidan in Belarus. It is quite convenient for the Russian Federation, and even the west is used to it. Power is too strong. Opposition - these are clowns (I won’t be surprised if they are supported at the expense of the budget), purely for the sake of democracy, so that in the West they will be less buzzing. And the mentality of Belarusians is not the same. The partisans are good, and the revolutionaries are so-so.
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      That's the joke, that he does not want the Maidan, and the Russian Federation does everything for this Maidan on purpose. They want in-depth integration and use oil prices, etc. as a lever, for pressure. As a result, nationalism in Belarus is growing under the cries of integration, and living standards are falling as a result of this lever. The result for the Russian Federation - they wanted the best, it turned out as always. Everything is as usual, or maybe it’s they specially? The government remained the same, pro-American.
  • Victor March 47 14 January 2020 19: 14 New
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    All commercial services of our plants, the Belarusian Oil Company are in negotiations almost daily. I think that here too we will soon receive alternative options for the supply of specific oil

    - said Cool.


    An experienced marketer would not say that. On the contrary, I would strongly emphasize that there is no end to offers. And they work for days on the choice of the most-most ....
  • Victor March 47 14 January 2020 19: 18 New
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    Quote: svoit
    Quote: carstorm 11
    as Rosneft said no more concessions will be made. all this fuss is only due to the fact that the re-export that the RB has been engaged in all these years is too tired of everyone

    We need to maintain good relations with Belarus, and the problem of re-export is not worth a damn, it is simply forbidden. Moreover, the issue is not being resolved at the state level, but at the level of business entities. Just by writing in the contracts where the oil and products made from it go.

    An interesting suggestion about bans. This is how you think to implement? He, the creature, will raise a howl that rape a sovereign country. It is much more effective to look at his own needs for domestic consumption and give two tons more. So that he does not have opportunities in re-export. Which is already being done. What this pirate is trying to do, blaming Russia, and continuing re-export. Cheap Russian for extra money, putting your economy on someone else's oil.
  • Well done 14 January 2020 19: 18 New
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    Old Man is bargaining, even blackmailing! Somehow it's gypsy. There is no alternative. Well, let them buy a reverse one, it’s still in it with Russian molecules, but the price ... Or "To evil grandmother - frostbite my ears!"?
  • Cottodraton 14 January 2020 19: 18 New
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    I wonder what alternatively gifted Lukashenko will sell oil at least 5% cheaper than the world, not that more than 20% ... What does he like ...
    1. Anatole Klim 14 January 2020 19: 59 New
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      which alternatively gifted will Lukashenko sell oil at least 5% cheaper than world oil,

      Lukashenko has friendships - the Russian oligarch Gutseriev, owns Slavneft, now the company has signed an agreement to supply 750 thousand tons of oil to Belarus without a premium, deliveries seem to have already begun. Gutseriev even gave “Maybach” somehow to Lukashenko, it’s for those who say that Lukashenko does not accept oligarchs { laughing } But the main thing, for Gutseriev in Belarus, is the mining and processing plant for fertilizers under construction near Lyuban, and they will be built by 2024 and partners expect a profit of up to $ 600 million annually. So Gutseriev is hoping to recapture his oil losses with future superprofits on Belarusian fertilizers. Lukashenko even blurted out that he would transfer Lyuban to Gutserievsk. It remains to wait for 2024, who will throw someone? what
      1. Ingvar 72 14 January 2020 20: 08 New
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        it’s for those who say that Lukashenko does not accept oligarchs

        So he does not accept his own, but Gutseriev is a Russian oligarch! wink
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          I always hear that Belarusians are afraid of Russian oligarchs, well, on this site, at least ..
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        There was a lot of talk about the comprador bourgeoisie in Russia. Here either it will come to Gutseriev that it is not worth it to go across the party’s policy, or it will become less than one Russian oligarch.
  • businessv 14 January 2020 19: 37 New
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    At the same time, it is specified that Russian deliveries on the proposed conditions will be cheaper than other deliveries from the world market by at least $ 1,6 billion per year with an annual volume of 24 million tons.
    Well, here Father will look at what ruberoid is in Odessa, compare and decide, at least not later blame someone! He did it himself, he will be guilty if he does not grow together normally. smile
  • Prisoner 14 January 2020 20: 04 New
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    The master is the master. The right of the buyer to look for cheap goods, the right of the seller to ask for an acceptable price for his own. Only surrenders "wash" father but not childishly. Do blackmail.
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      But who against let them look for suppliers of cheap oil - only it seems to me that Old Man will find it only on the black market.
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        But who against let them look for suppliers of cheap oil - only it seems to me that Old Man will find it only on the black market.

        hi
        I agree. This is the same as a regular market, but traded on the market. Some manage, from the process of "bargaining", even have fun.
      2. Paranoid50 14 January 2020 23: 45 New
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        Old Man will find her only on the black market.

        For some reason, the "bearded" oil tankers from Deir Es Zor immediately appear. wassat Well, then he will also have to negotiate with Erdogan for transit. yes It becomes clear why Azerbaijan appears - however, the scheme. laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin 14 January 2020 20: 23 New
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    laughing Old Man didn’t sneak up his refineries on the Chinese comrades?
  • ultra 14 January 2020 20: 28 New
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    If there was an alternative at such a price, there would already be a long line. wassat
  • Gennady Fomkin 14 January 2020 20: 34 New
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    For 2015, the price tags were as follows:

    Belarus imports oil from Russia at a price of ~ $ 240 per ton, while the average export price of Russian oil is $ 370 per ton.

    Belarus exports oil products at an average price of ~ $ 400 per ton. At the same time, the main importing countries are Britain (where oil products are exported at a price of $ 370 per tonne) at $ 2,8 yards, and ... tadam ... Ukraine at 1,7 yards.

    IMHO, it is obvious that in the case of cooperation between Russia and Belarus at world prices, the Old Man needs to close its oil refineries. laughing Yes, impressive figures against the background of Lukashenko’s constant tantrums. Was he there that he had completely moved from old age to old age? laughing laughing
  • Operator s 14 January 2020 20: 34 New
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    Oil .. tights .. yes it's time to live normally
    ... without Russia
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      To get started, get drunk with Russian-speaking resources, europophiles.
      Then you and your "opinion" do not care
  • Operator s 14 January 2020 20: 35 New
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    Sense from Russia ..
  • Operator s 14 January 2020 20: 39 New
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    Iran, Syria, Zimbabwe-level of Russia ...
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      And who are you? apparently you get paid a little ...
  • fa2998 14 January 2020 20: 46 New
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    The mercantile desire of the Belarusians is quite understandable and reasonable on their part.

    Yes, there’s a half-cow across the sea, but the ruble is transported! Where they will buy even cheaper if the oil is piped, and taking into account discounts. BLACKING THIS. The price is still being knocked down. hi
  • Gennady Fomkin 14 January 2020 20: 46 New
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    That the price of gas for the Republic of Belarus should differ from Bryansk and Smolensk by VAT and export duties, at least.

    However, oil comes to Belarusian refineries without VAT, the pipe tariff on the territory of the Republic of Belarus from the border with the Russian Federation is higher than on the territory of the Russian Federation to the border, and the mustachioed is small. The mustachioed is again scandalous, because the metropolitan quarter of the inhabitants is demanding the level of gizz. belay what what
  • Gennady Fomkin 14 January 2020 21: 11 New
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    “Why haven’t we reached an agreement with the President of Russia on oil? Because Russia wants us to buy oil from it at prices higher than world prices. Where has it been seen?” Alexander Lukashenko was indignant. “That's why I refused such oil and directly declared : if there will be no supplies at the world price from Russia, we will find this oil in another place and that is what we are doing. And we found "-Daaaaa ..... Man TBM words! Already cut so much when it will sew. laughing Russia is not just a kindred country to him, but its resource base !! Potato Fuhrer.hrenov.
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      And many believe and are led, or use Russophobia for their own purposes.
  • Gennady Fomkin 14 January 2020 21: 13 New
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    Namely, Russia’s option “Let's eat yours today, and tomorrow we’ll think whether it’s worth eating mine” is not interesting, and Lukashenko does not offer anything else. laughing laughing
  • Aliken 14 January 2020 21: 19 New
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    No one will sell Belarus oil at a loss. Do Belarusians know about these 1,6 billion lost profits? Who will block this amount.
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      Belarusians do not know, but Old Man will steer and it seems to Yanukovych.
  • 75 Sergey 14 January 2020 21: 23 New
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    They will drag it from Ukraine or from Europe ... by "reverse".
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      They'll be taken to donkeys ...
  • Gennady Fomkin 14 January 2020 21: 24 New
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    Yes, they sound, give out wishful thinking. As in a specialized magazine, I read about the course and problems of modernizing Belarusian refineries, with various technical details and other ideas. So there are drawn such costs to achieve the desired percentage, it is clear that in the near future nothing will happen. Billions of dollers, not one. And where are their knots? Muscovites do not give, but they need their own. Yes, and those are dumb. Dillema. Insoluble.
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      Everything is more complicated there, much already belongs to Russian business and the Old Man intends to nationalize everything ...
  • cniza 14 January 2020 21: 41 New
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    Belarus is looking for an alternative to Russian oil supplies.


    Tell me, does everyone have a roof or just mine?
  • Cheerock 14 January 2020 22: 34 New
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    Good luck biting with a real cap world !!!! The main thing then deal with debts and loans yourself.

    Listen, don’t interfere with politics here. As one influential person said (I hint), these are disputes of economic entities. As I understand it, purely commercial Russian private companies Neftis and Russneft, owned by citizen Gutseriev, supply oil to Belarusian oil refineries. And the Belarusian refineries are Naftan with a state share of 99,83% and Mozyr Oil Refinery with a state share of 42,76% and a share of 42,58% of the Russian (!) Slavneft company. Feel the difference? Therefore, for the interests of their refineries, Belarusian officials and Lushashenko himself, and on the Russian side are private traders and Putin shrugs. It may be right that we take it so close to our hearts, but the pockets of this story are still different and far from popular.

    Of course. Oil is not gas, producers and traders are more than dofig. The state here is only duties and taxes.
  • svoit 14 January 2020 22: 51 New
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    Tell me, does everyone have a roof or just mine?

    That's right, it is not very expensive to buy from Iran, then by railway from Volgograd to bring to Belarus and it will not be expensive.
  • Cheerock 14 January 2020 23: 02 New
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    Quote: CheeRock
    You bought a thing inside the country and you can sell it inside the country by paying VAT on the sale

    Unless otherwise specified in the contract. But it is indicated. hi

    The bottom line is: you are a state, you have mining enterprises in your country, they produce, say, 100 million tons. Domestic, they sell 50 million for processing with a minimum profit, with which you get VAT and excise taxes, they can sell 50 million for export with good profit, you get export duty and tax on this good profit, that is, more than with domestic processing. You have a neighbor, an ally, who says: we also need oil, so that cars inside the country would travel cheaply. You say, ok - buy according to our internal conditions, get VAT from the oil producer. And then you will find out that your neighbor makes gas from oil, which is sold at domestic prices, and sells it for export, receiving an export duty, but does not share it with you. This is called rat-eating. therefore, we are talking about duty-free volume, from which fuel is made for the national economy and people, and "duty-free", from which your neighbor earns extra profit. hi
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  • Julius Caesar 14 January 2020 23: 13 New
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    These famous Lithuanian-Polish oil and gas fields ...
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    Belarus is looking for an alternative to Russian oil supplies.

    Are all Belarusian tankers already on stream and ready for transportation? winked
  • Sergey Averchenkov 15 January 2020 00: 20 New
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    Well ... let him search. Seeker, yes, he will find it.
  • volf 15 January 2020 00: 54 New
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    I live in Belarus. If you had heard how much this “man” bears nonsense every day. Just because of 1 patient - all people have been suffering for 20 years.
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      So someone throws these ideas to him
    2. Ingvar 72 15 January 2020 08: 03 New
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      Just because of 1 patient - the whole nation has been suffering for 20 years.

      Is Statkevich better? Or Gubarevich?
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      Well, it’s not in vain that we are fraternal people ..))
      So we suffer .. brotherly .. because of two patients ..
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    At the same time, it is specified that Russian deliveries on the proposed conditions will be cheaper than other deliveries from the world market by at least $ 1,6 billion per year with an annual volume of 24 million tons.


    Apparently the Old Man is not enough ...
  • Roman070280 15 January 2020 09: 31 New
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    Let them search ..
    All the same, we won’t succeed anyway, and we won’t create a promising state .. for 20 years they’ve only been stealing, and they’re not doing anything else .. But because the fewer the people, the more oxygen ..

    And yes .. if someone thinks that we need Belarus to "defend the borders" from the West, then you can calm down .. no one will attack us ..
    To whom we surrendered, feed us ..
  • Mentat 15 January 2020 12: 12 New
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    Yes, Old Man makes money on this, but does it within the framework of the contract.

    The fact of the matter is that no. Lukashenko constantly and regularly violates both oral “gentlemanly” agreements and those signed regarding re-export of oil products. They put up with it, condescended, forgave, looked with understanding for many years. But there is a limit to everything.