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Crosses on the sides. Do not argue with the patriots!

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"Look, Shura, what can be done from the Singer sewing machine and the usual collective-farm shear ..."

Ilf and Petrov


My two recent publications (first; second) caused a mixed reaction among readers of "VO".

Let me remind you that I described the whole and well-groomed monuments seen to the fallen heroes of the Great Patriotic War on the territory of small towns in Poland and Ukraine, which I personally visited on the eve of 2019 and 2020. In theory, we should be happy. Mentally thank those people who care for the graves, update the monuments. And such readers, thank God, were the majority. But ... How can it be without a “but”? .. How can it be without a fly in the ointment?

There were also those who memorized accused me of subjectivity and repeated that it was in the countries I have mentioned that they had a negative attitude to memory and stories much more than I showed in my photo reports. From their comments, I got the impression that they suspect me of deliberately rushing about in two countries, looking for surviving memorials ...

So, today I want to shed balm on their souls. I repent! There are manifestations of fascism in Ukraine! And I am a witness to that, but ...

I saw them from the car window when I was driving along the Odessa highway towards Kiev. Ahead loomed a bridge to the city of Vasilkov, and they sheltered on the site near a half-abandoned car wash. But I gazed steadily at the fascist crosses. In vain I argued with some patriots that there was no Nazism in the neighboring state, in vain the author of the column “Opinion” Kamenev tried to convict of something. Here it is. Gray overcast ...

On the way back, I asked the driver to call in to the site to take insider pictures and put them on the Internet. Happened! And even the security guard who left the building could not stop me!











These are the "facts"!

I hope that the readers will not be offended and will correctly react to the joke. And considering these exhibits, I wondered: really, where did this pseudo-armored car from the Henschel type come from? The guard mentioned above spread his hands. When, he says, two years ago he got a job, they were already standing here. A superficial inspection showed that these models are not static. There are both engines and controls. All, of course, are in terrible condition, but present.

And I myself assume that they remained, apparently, after some filming. Nearby is a turn to the city of Vasilkov, and episodes of the Match were shot in it with S. Bezrukov and E. Boyarskaya. Maybe since then they are? In any case, the specimens are interesting.
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  1. Ezekiel 25-17
    Ezekiel 25-17 15 January 2020 05: 51
    +17
    It is unfortunate that the author strongly supports the criminal ukronazist regime.
    1. Finches
      Finches 15 January 2020 06: 01
      +26
      Always, if there is an accused - there will be a lawyer! There is no Nazism in Ukraine - Boyarskaya drew a swastika, and Bezrukov pinned the technique from somewhere! And Yarosh was born a Komsomol member and a Komsomol member ... laughing
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 15 January 2020 06: 34
        +5
        Quote: Finches
        And Yarosh was born a Komsomol member and a Komsomol member ...


        Do you think members of the SS?
        1. Finches
          Finches 15 January 2020 06: 37
          +3
          No! Besides, there is always a way for a lawyer to justify the defendants - there is no fascism, no Nazism ..., at best there is an annoying misunderstanding and poor education ...
        2. Alexander Suvorov
          Alexander Suvorov 15 January 2020 06: 44
          +2
          sergo1914 (Sergey)
          Do you think members of the SS?
          Do you think this is not possible? With a crunchy freak, they rehabilitated all the polls and the Nazi henchmen in the first place. So by no means all the "hijackers" from the SS Division "Galichina" rotted away in the camps. They later crept into the Komsomol and the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, not without the help of the same khrushchev. Or don't you know such cases? I can tell ...
          1. sergo1914
            sergo1914 15 January 2020 07: 48
            0
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            sergo1914 (Sergey)
            Do you think members of the SS?
            Do you think this is not possible? With a crunchy freak, they rehabilitated all the polls and the Nazi henchmen in the first place. So by no means all the "hijackers" from the SS Division "Galichina" rotted away in the camps. They later crept into the Komsomol and the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, not without the help of the same khrushchev. Or don't you know such cases? I can tell ...


            I do not know such cases. I have no relatives in Ukraine. In general, I’m talking about horseradish (horseradish is a root plant) what is happening there. Fascism, homosexuality, empirio-criticism ... What they want - they do it.
            1. Sentinel-vs
              Sentinel-vs 15 January 2020 07: 59
              0
              Is your hut on the edge?
              1. sergo1914
                sergo1914 15 January 2020 08: 18
                +2
                Quote: Sentinel-vs
                Is your hut on the edge?


                My hut is in my country, not in someone else's. Do not confuse the pedals.
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding 15 January 2020 08: 31
                  0
                  Quote: sergo1914
                  My hut is in my country, not in someone else's. Do not confuse the pedals.

                  Poorly. And the next-generation hut will be in the N-th province. And hell will be his neighbors.
                  The people are getting smaller. Not like in the old days.
                  1. sergo1914
                    sergo1914 15 January 2020 09: 09
                    +2
                    Quote: Flood
                    Quote: sergo1914
                    My hut is in my country, not in someone else's. Do not confuse the pedals.

                    Poorly. And the next-generation hut will be in the N-th province. And hell will be his neighbors.
                    The people are getting smaller. Not like in the old days.


                    How in such a small message can fit so much nonsense?
                    1. Flooding
                      Flooding 15 January 2020 16: 30
                      -3
                      Quote: sergo1914
                      How in such a small message can fit so much nonsense?

                      It’s strange. You are surprised at me and immediately beat my record many times.
          2. Sewer krainiy
            Sewer krainiy 15 January 2020 18: 40
            +1
            Do you think this is not possible? With a crunchy freak, they rehabilitated all the polls and the Nazi henchmen in the first place. So by no means all the "hijackers" from the SS Division "Galichina" rotted away in the camps. They later crept into the Komsomol and the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, not without the help of the same khrushchev. Or don't you know such cases? I can tell ...

            A comrade in service ("Smersh") in the post-war period fought against banderlogs in the western region. He told me: during the day - dumplings, dumplings, bowing to the belt, at night - for machine guns. Before Khrushch, he came to the regional party committee for information and questions, he was the first to take it in the first place, all issues were resolved instantly. With Khrushche - queues in the corridors and reception, conversation through the lip, nothing was decided. At the same time, it was decided to prohibit the operational development of party and Komsomol functionaries by the KGB without the permission of higher party bodies. So we climbed through.
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 16 January 2020 23: 30
              0
              Do you think that under Stalin there was no control on the part of party structures over state security agencies? In the late 40s, Central Committee decisions were adopted to strengthen party control in this area. After the removal of Abakumov and the appointment of party worker Ignatiev to the post of Minister of State Security, this issue was again considered. Yezhov in an earlier period was sent to lead the NKVD, being already the Secretary of the Central Committee and the chairman of the Party Control Committee. And these posts were kept for him.
              1. Sewer krainiy
                Sewer krainiy 21 January 2020 20: 54
                0
                According to senior comrades, the development of employees of regional committees, and even more so district committees, etc. they had the right to lead. They agreed or did not agree - somehow they did not focus attention on this, but judging by the fact that the first secretary of the regional committee helped to solve all the necessary questions of the oper- ator in the first place - I think that they were afraid, if they agreed, so the higher ones agreed. The question is complex, especially when reading archival files.
            2. mikstepanenko
              mikstepanenko 17 January 2020 21: 44
              +2
              Then it was decided to ban the operational development by the KGB of party and Komsomol functionaries without the permission of higher party bodies.
              No, not then, but in the 30s. And all the compromising materials they were supposed to destroy. And members of elected party bodies (even the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of the Bolsheviks and the Communist Party of the Soviet Union) who were not part of the professional party workers (that is, collective farmers whose presence in these bodies were proud of) were forbidden to devote even to the principles of the functioning of these bodies.
              1. cradle
                cradle 19 January 2020 10: 28
                0
                Did Khrushch personally tell you this? What are you talking about now?
                1. mikstepanenko
                  mikstepanenko 19 January 2020 17: 09
                  0
                  This was published in the early 90's with directive numbers. Party, then they were strictly executed. This is because the system of party omnipotence and irresponsibility for the results was created not under Khrushchev, but much earlier. In the early 30s, when closed party distributors were created and the nomenclature was obliged to use them. It was obligated, then not everyone wanted to completely break away from the people.
              2. Sewer krainiy
                Sewer krainiy 21 January 2020 20: 40
                0
                No, not then, but in the 30s. And all the compromising materials they were supposed to destroy.
                I told my specific memories with a specific comrade, in my time, captain of the 3rd rank Razumov Alexander Lukyanovich. And in the principles of work of the state security organs, call them whatever you want, they are called differently everywhere, and now it is forbidden to devote all the uninitiated. And how much I read archival files, starting somewhere from 1920 to 1953 you never dreamed of. Not everything is so simple. I have more archival affairs, I believe Lukyanich than you. You had access to the archives, or so, on a hunch ...
    2. GKS 2111
      GKS 2111 15 January 2020 06: 03
      +32
      I hope that the readers will not be offended and will correctly react to the joke.
      But I don’t understand where the joke is .. In the Nazi crosses? Is it really that Nazism is flourishing in Ukraine?

      In my opinion, there is nothing funny here ...
      1. Alexander Suvorov
        Alexander Suvorov 15 January 2020 06: 37
        +9
        Let me remind you that I described the whole and well-groomed monuments seen to the fallen heroes of the Great Patriotic War on the territory of small towns in Poland and Ukraine, which I personally visited on the eve of 2019 and 2020. In theory, we should be happy. Mentally thank those people who care for the graves, update the monuments. And such readers, thank God, were the majority. But ... How can it be without a “but”? .. How can it be without a fly in the ointment?
        Yes, the author just mocks openly over the majority on this forum. How did the poor fellow find in the two most Russophobic countries, where Russophobia is elevated to the decimal degree, where history is being rewritten throughout, where Nazism flourishes at the state level (in Ukraine at least), you see, he found the beginnings of fascism in the form of a broken truck with a Balkenkreuz. The author is apparently completely banned in Google? And the esses runes on the flags of the National Battalions must have been invented for us by the media?

        The author, deeply not respected by me, go to the demarcation zone, sit in the trench on the side of the LDNR and sit there and talk with the guys, maybe your brains will be replaced, although in your case it is unlikely!
        1. atalef
          atalef 15 January 2020 06: 42
          -22
          Quote: Alexander Suvorov
          go to the demarcation zone, sit in the trench from the side of the LPR and sit there and talk with the guys, maybe your brains will be replaced, although in your case it’s unlikely!

          In general, there are two truths.
          Talk on the other side of the trenches - they will tell you another truth - which is the same truth and no less truthful.
          But there is no Nazism in Ukraine - stop already pulling the owl on the globe.
          And the same is fascism.
          Stop posting horseradish.
          Go to Ukraine and see for yourself.
          And according to the zombie man, you can beat any plot so that you don’t recognize yourself.
          1. Alexander Suvorov
            Alexander Suvorov 15 January 2020 06: 50
            +11
            atalef (alexander)
            Go to Ukraine and see for yourself.
            Can you go there yourself?
            And most importantly, do not forget to draw the star of David on your forehead. I don’t have to go anywhere, unlike you, I live on the very border with them. An Israeli pancake was found.

            Here I am amazed at some Jews, at first they defend the Nazis with all their might, and then they scream about the Holocaust. Well, do not complain when the Azovites come for you, I personally, I will not save you personally!
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 15 January 2020 06: 55
              +9
              Quote: Alexander Suvorov
              Here I am amazed at some Jews, at first they defend the Nazis with all their might

              He has a mother-in-law in Kiev. She goes to her for fat.
              1. Alexander Suvorov
                Alexander Suvorov 15 January 2020 06: 58
                +8
                Mordvin 3 (Vladimir)
                He has a mother-in-law in Kiev. She goes to her for fat.
                Then it’s clear why it is so flattening it! laughing
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 15 January 2020 07: 10
                  +8
                  Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                  Then it’s clear why it is so flattening it!

                  And the casket just opens ... Atalef from the USSR whistled in the year 90 in the year with two chumodans and twenty bucks sewn in underpants, now he comes to Kiev as a tourist sometimes, he brings fat to Israel ... laughing And he is happy that everything is fine with him, the Chinese are laying down the house tiles.
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 15 January 2020 08: 13
                    -7
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    And rejoices how he is doing well

                    Why should I cry?
                    request
                    Vladimir - envy is a bad trait.
                    Work harder, learn, move forward and you will enjoy the same.
                    Good luck good
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 15 January 2020 08: 17
                      +3
                      Quote: atalef
                      Why should I cry?

                      In no case! I have fun too ...
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                1. don-1500
                  don-1500 15 January 2020 10: 12
                  +2
                  You do not understand Atalef correctly, but he himself will not say anything about himself. Look better at the video of Harry Berkut, there is such a propaganda activist.
                  1. Alexander Suvorov
                    Alexander Suvorov 15 January 2020 10: 22
                    +1
                    Don-1500 (Yuri)
                    You do not understand Atalef correctly
                    Of course "not right" ... laughing How else can you understand this ?!
                    atalef (alexander)
                    There is no Nazism in Ukraine as a state policy
                    atalef (alexander)
                    But there is no Nazism in Ukraine - stop already pulling the owl on the globe.
                    And the same is fascism.
          2. Flooding
            Flooding 15 January 2020 08: 33
            +2
            Quote: atalef
            In general, there are two truths.
            Talk on the other side of the trenches - they will tell you another truth - which is the same truth and no less truthful.
            But there is no Nazism in Ukraine - stop already pulling the owl on the globe.

            Who are you promoting the truth here? Which side?
            Do not answer. I'm not interested in what you write about the number of truths.
          3. Winnie76
            Winnie76 15 January 2020 16: 40
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            But there is no Nazism in Ukraine - stop already pulling the owl on the globe.
            And the same is fascism.

            Here you go from fresh:
            1. mikstepanenko
              mikstepanenko 17 January 2020 21: 55
              -1
              There is fascism in Ukraine, and it is in Russia. The difference is that in Russia fascism is being persecuted, while in Ukraine Ukraine is made by state policy. BUT on a million Kyiv at the Bandera procession there were only a thousand people, and even then not local ones. They carry them from city to city, create extras. The police are guarding them, spitting but guarding them.
              1. Winnie76
                Winnie76 18 January 2020 13: 43
                -1
                Quote: mikstepanenko
                BUT on a million Kyiv at the Bandera procession there were only a thousand people, and even then not local ones.

                What difference does it make how many thousands are in the procession and how many millions are in Kiev. If the minority is active, and the majority shoved the language into a known place.
        2. Flooding
          Flooding 15 January 2020 08: 36
          +1
          From this moment on, the Leader of the Redskins on VO does not exist for me.
          100 percent neglect and boycott.
          1. Alexander Suvorov
            Alexander Suvorov 15 January 2020 08: 48
            +5
            Navodlom (Vladimir Ilyich)
            From this moment on, the Leader of the Redskins on VO does not exist for me.
            Is this news for you ?! For me, he has long been a Nazi henchman for another year since 2014, as soon as it all started!
            1. cost
              cost 17 January 2020 19: 24
              +4
              Quote: Alexander Suvorov
              Navodlom (Vladimir Ilyich)
              From this moment on, the Leader of the Redskins on VO does not exist for me.
              Is this news for you ?! For me, he has long been a Nazi henchman for another year since 2014, as soon as it all started!

              As you understand, you only registered on the forum on October 2, 2019, and the Leader of the Redskins in 2014 also was not on the site yet - he only dropped out on September 17, 2016?
        3. The leader of the Redskins
          15 January 2020 08: 51
          +1
          Am I scoffing? Do you know what else I "found"? And not on the Internet, but at the Maidan Nezalezhnosti metro station? Yes, yes, that very Maidan, where did it all start? And not five or seven years ago, but a week ago ?!
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 15 January 2020 09: 18
            +3
            And considering these exhibits, I wondered: really, where did this pseudo-armored car from the Henschel type come from?

            about the armored car - it appeared in completely indistinct series about the war "1941" and "1942". hi
          2. Alexander Suvorov
            Alexander Suvorov 15 January 2020 09: 19
            +6
            Chief of the Redskins (Nazarius)
            Are you kidding me?
            It’s just that you’re scoffing, just the title of the article, it’s an undisguised mockery.
            And not on the Internet, but at the Maidan Nezalezhnosti metro station? Yes, yes, that very Maidan, where did it all start? And not five or seven years ago, but a week ago ?!
            The ear has not got up ... I'm right now burst into tears. And about the demolished monuments to Lenin, Suvorov, Zhukov, Konev do not want to tell?
            He found, malAdEts, sign off to your heroes in the "basics", they will quickly eliminate this defect.
            1. The leader of the Redskins
              15 January 2020 09: 27
              -6
              Lenin is a hero of the Great Patriotic War? Well ... Why do you hate the Ukrainian people so much? Not the government, not the couple of thousands of thugs who are either with portraits or torches? But those others ... Which are like you, under one comb?
              1. Alexander Suvorov
                Alexander Suvorov 15 January 2020 09: 54
                +4
                Chief of the Redskins (Nazarius)
                Why do you hate the Ukrainian people so much?

                Read my comments about relatives from Kharkov, you can understand. Yes, if only relatives ...
                on public roads of IV and V categories
                And we are talking only about the heroes of the Second World War? Decommunization and desovetization are the essence of fascist deeds. The Nazis did the same in Germany when they demolished monuments and burned objectionable books. And do not tell me that this is not the same thing.
                1. The leader of the Redskins
                  15 January 2020 10: 11
                  -9
                  Yes, we are talking about the heroes of the Great Patriotic War. Flies separately, cutlets separately. The fact that in the city where my father lives, a monument to Lenin was demolished and the streets of the communist leaders renamed, I indicated in one of the previous articles. And you, in your illegibility, show your hatred of ALL neighboring people and your relatives as well.
                  1. Lexus
                    Lexus 15 January 2020 13: 26
                    +4
                    Yes, we are talking about the heroes of the Great Patriotic War.

                    The Great Soviet Union and the GREAT ONE SOVIET PEOPLE won that victory. Because they defeated the adversary. If then there would be such a deal / tear, as today, I have no doubt that the German fascists with the Japanese between the Urals and Lake Baikal would have met.
                    So they drag us along the "stalls on the edge" in order to finish off one by one. By all means, marginals here and there. And there is no difference between them - they are all either narrow-minded or for money. Either both. But how convenient for the "rulers" - "Look what is in Russia / Ukraine" - and at this time they are doing their dark deeds. We will have to unite, whether we like it or not, because we have no other chance to survive. hi
                    1. The leader of the Redskins
                      15 January 2020 13: 31
                      -7
                      I agree with you. But read the comments. I did not think that a third-rate article on two rusty stoves would provoke such a polemic. However, she, like a litmus test, showed the radicalism of many subjects.
                      1. Lexus
                        Lexus 15 January 2020 15: 30
                        0
                        "The insanity grew stronger - the people were furious."
                        "Ragulia" disease. wink
                2. Irbenwolf
                  Irbenwolf 15 January 2020 10: 46
                  -5
                  Alexander, have you ever thought about the question, what exactly are the maximalists in the radical perception of reality that make up the main contingent of nationalist groups?

                  Only they were "creatively explained" at school in history class who is to blame for their troubles. In Internet battles with desperate patriots, these vile sprouts have sprouted, and in the courses of the "young fighter", with due attention of interested people, they have become tempered. Note that this is a long-term process, about 10-15 years. And remind you what the main background was created in the Russian official media? You are right: "gas is whistling." (however, the question essentially concerned a handful of 50-100 people) That is, the theft of a handful of people was extrapolated to the whole nation. I don't think you would like it. when you are unfoundedly called a thief, at the most official level. On this basis, it is very simple to form an image of the enemy, well, to indicate the place where this enemy has settled. At the exit of the crowd of fanatics.

                  I do not presume to talk about the western regions, but in central Ukraine they have always been very calm about both Russian speech and Russian in general. Now, under the influence of nationalist propaganda and the events of the last five years, it would be strange if there were no changes. However, back in 2010, I quietly sang RUSSIAN songs while walking along the central road of the Ukrainian village and local people sang along with me.

                  Nationalism is bad, Nazism is disgusting. But think about whether or not the official sources tell you about all this abomination, right up to the Lenin fall, and while you are desperate to fight this bogeyman, they sign contracts on gas and oil transit, which won a lot, and pay billions in fines.

                  And the only person for a long time who showed the other side well hidden behind the veil of the mainstream - you name regime attorney. Rather, it’s worth talking about a people's lawyer.

                  And yes, in Latvia, flowers are brought to the graves of the Soviet unknown soldier by Latvians. Few, but there are such people. And scratching one size fits all is a favorite thing of the Slavs: "Kill everyone! - God will distinguish his own."

                  Waiting for cons. hi
                  1. Alexander Suvorov
                    Alexander Suvorov 15 January 2020 11: 06
                    +1
                    Well, not mine. In general, I agree with you, but there are a number of nuances. Here, personally, I am against any manifestation of Nazism-fascism in any form. In the same way I hate the Russian Natsiks who shout "Russia for the Russians", as well as the Ukronazis who shout "Ukraine over the USE". I do not consider any people higher or lower than their people. But, I am against any manifestation of inequality. I believe that in the Russian Federation any citizen should have exactly the same rights and absolutely identical responsibilities. With rights at the international level, everything seems to be smooth, but with responsibilities there are problems. It must be so, committed a crime, answer according to the law and it does not matter who you are, Russian, Jew, Tatar or Chechen. EVERYONE should be equal before the law, but this is not entirely the case here. I generally keep quiet about Ukraine, there the Nazis can do whatever they want, up to open murder, and they will not get ANYTHING for it. An example is the murder of Oles Buzina. What do you say wrong?
                    At the same time, I am a convinced socialist, because the stratification of society is already reaching its boiling point. Geeks of rich Pinocchio can do whatever they want and they do not care about the laws. Here I am against such geeks.
                    As for the people of Ukraine, everything is clear to everyone, Donbass did not want to keep up with the pro-fascist regime that seized power as a result of the coup. And the rest went and that says it all!
                    1. Irbenwolf
                      Irbenwolf 15 January 2020 11: 40
                      -4
                      Undoubtedly, I agree with you. Let's be frank about capitalism and is characterized by the axiom: "He who pays calls the tune." And unsolved murders are a reflection of the rot that creeps everywhere under fairly socially oriented ideas. In a sense, Russia as a whole can be grateful for the picture that Ukraine provided, as an example of what can come from protest processions without a program with people who have never done anything serious in their lives and have not achieved real results.

                      As for the people of Ukraine, everything is clear to everyone, Donbass did not want to keep up with the pro-fascist regime that seized power as a result of the coup. And the rest went and that says it all!


                      Nobody wants to fight. My respect to the people of Donbass, who were not afraid to defend their rights with arms in hand. Most likely, they will defend him and achieve their goals. True, after that they will get an absolutely destroyed region and there is no one to pay for its restoration - let's be frank. Therefore, I cannot judge people who did not want to have a conditional "Donbass" outside the wall of the apartment. Another thing is that the "Donbass" found them and took them through "mobilization", and killed some of them. You can't give a 100% correct recipe - historians do it, and even then they twist the facts as they want.

                      In the end, I always wanted to convey a simple idea: you should fight with the Dacians and do it pointwise (all the more so as a rule they don’t hide), and the people ... the people are mostly homogeneous and amorphous and in order to push it into some kind of that side - this movement must be prepared. 10-15 years ... Maybe they’re already cooking - what do you think?
                3. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 15 January 2020 11: 00
                  -5
                  Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                  fascist deeds. The Nazis did the same in Germany when demolished monuments

                  What historical monuments of Germany were demolished by the Nazis, Macedonian? fool lol

                  But the Bolsheviks demolished and ruined TENS THOUSAND Russian monuments -Russian Heroes, battles, Russian culture and heritage-tombs of POZHARSKY, MININ, Bagration, Dokhturov, Nakhimov, Kornilov, Istomin, Lazarev, monuments OB 1812, PMV, RTV, RYAV and so forth, pearl temples Moscow, Suzdal, Vladimir, Peter and so forth

                  And from whom today's U.K. Nazis learned, Napoleon is ours, eh? lol
                  1. begemot20091
                    begemot20091 22 January 2020 00: 02
                    -1
                    strange, but I did not know that the Germans were so kind. "On the Bebelplatz square in Berlin stands the monument" The Drowned Library ": empty bookshelves and a sign that reads" On this square on May 10, 1933 Nazi students burned books. "That day was the culmination of the" Action against the non-German spirit. " 25 volumes of 000 authors were demonstratively burned on the square, including the works of Sigmund Freud, Stefan Zweig, Erich Kestner, Heinrich Mann, Karl Marx, Kurt Tucholsky perished in the ashes. deliberately, even after the battle itself was over. The historical center of the city during the period of the Nazi occupation of 313-1939. was almost completely destroyed - at the end of the war, the capital of Poland even wanted to be moved to Krakow, believing that it would not be possible to restore Warsaw.
                    The first attacks on the city were carried out in 1939, but the worst event occurred in the last months of the war. The Nazis tried to completely destroy the city and the fortifications - about 90% of the city buildings were turned into ruins, including the Royal Castle, built between 1568 and 1572 in the fabulous Baroque style. Since the 5th century, Polish kings have been living here, and the Sejm adopted the Constitution, crucial for Polish history, on May XNUMX (the first in Europe and the second in the world).
                    In August-October 1944, the Nazis systematically destroyed the historical center of Warsaw / Old Town /. Such architectural monuments as the Cathedral of St. John the Baptist built in the early XIV century. and the Royal Castle of the XIII-XVI centuries
                    Holy Trinity Bridge
                    The six-span Santa Trinita Bridge (Holy Trinity Bridge) across the Arno River in Florence is by its location the most significant city bridge. It is believed that initially it was conceived not only as an engineering structure, but also as a work of art. Built for the first time in 1258, it was rebuilt in 1333 and 1557. Presumably the latest version of the bridge was designed by Michelangelo. The bridge is decorated with oval arches and sculptures. In 1944, it was blown up by the Germans during the retreat.
                    Coventry
                    The city of Coventry in Great Britain was almost destroyed in 1940-1942. as a result of bombing by German aircraft. In 1940, the medieval Cathedral of St. Michael was destroyed - the only English cathedral that suffered during the Second World War. From it survived only the outer walls and the spire (at that time the third highest in Britain). The decision to restore was made the day after the bombing. The new cathedral was opened in 1962. Near it are the ruins of the old building, on which the inscription is written: “Built in the fifteenth century, destroyed in the twentieth
                    Looting of cultural values ​​of the Latvian, Estonian and Lithuanian peoples
                    LETTER OF AUGUST 23, 1944, TITLEED “INSTRUCTIONS” AND SIGNED BY THE ROSENBERG UTICAL HEAD OF STAFF
                    [Document 161-PS, USSR-376}
                    ....................... etc. read tiredness is detailed in the materials of the Nuremberg Tribunal
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 22 January 2020 10: 56
                      -1
                      Quote: begemot20091
                      strange, but I didn’t know

                      So find out: the Nazis did NOT demolish the monuments of Germany, as they did WITH TENS THOUSAND Russian monuments Bolsheviks: the column of Glory, CSU, CSU in St. Petersburg, the tombs of Pozharsky and Minin, Kornilov, Nakhimov, Bagration, temples of Suzdal, the Kremlin, Vladimir, etc., etc. -You can help you.
                      1. begemot20091
                        begemot20091 28 January 2020 23: 12
                        -1
                        seems to have served as a political officer?
                        you can’t retrain such people. they have a booth in their head from birth. sorry
                      2. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 29 January 2020 12: 10
                        -5
                        Quote: begemot20091
                        seems to have served as a political officer?
                        you can’t retrain such people. they have a booth in their head from birth. sorry

                        The facts given can object? No?

                        Why then your garbage? request
              2. Sewer krainiy
                Sewer krainiy 15 January 2020 18: 57
                +2
                Lenin is a hero of the Great Patriotic War? Well ... Why do you hate the Ukrainian people so much? Not the government, not the couple of thousands of thugs who are either with portraits or torches? But those others ... Which are like you, under one comb?

                So Lenin created Ukraine, Belarus and other republics of the Union. We, Belarusians, did not demolish the monuments to Lenin, the fallen soldiers in the Great Patriotic War, commanders during the war. I personally love the Ukrainian people, but finally, you will deal with those couple of thousand thugs. Al is weak.
              3. DRM
                DRM 18 January 2020 13: 54
                0
                Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                Why do you hate the Ukrainian people so much? Not the government, not the couple of thousands of thugs who are either with portraits or torches? But those others ... Which are like you, under one comb?

                He hates because he is a Russian Nazi. For the essence of Nazism is not in trinkets and famous symbols, but in exaltation over other nations. We are of the best type (fairer, more honest, smarter, bolder), and all the rest are traitors (former Soviet republics), degenerates (west) and flawed (Indians, Arabs, etc.). Nazism in its purest form !.
            2. The leader of the Redskins
              15 January 2020 11: 01
              0
              Speaking of heading. This editor has changed. In the original version, there was a quote from the movie:
              "Shakespeare said about this - where did he come from?" ...
        4. cradle
          cradle 19 January 2020 10: 29
          0
          or brainwash from a sniper on the other hand
      2. bessmertniy
        bessmertniy 15 January 2020 06: 49
        +4
        A tourist trip gives only superficial impressions. Serious facts may simply not fall into the spotlight. And a lot of facts speak of Ukraine today as a follower of its fascist-Bendery past. hi
      3. atalef
        atalef 15 January 2020 06: 53
        -23
        Quote: GKS 2111
        I hope that the readers will not be offended and will correctly react to the joke.
        But I don’t understand where the joke is .. In the Nazi crosses? Is it really that Nazism is flourishing in Ukraine?

        In my opinion, there is nothing funny here ...

        Photo Photoshop or staged.
        No geolocation, the original can not be found.
        The place is not determined in any way, and there is no way to identify either by place not by car or by people.
        Tomorrow I rivet about a dozen of them, with any flags.
        1. Alexander Suvorov
          Alexander Suvorov 15 January 2020 07: 02
          +12
          atalef (alexander)
          Photo Photoshop or staged.
          No geolocation, the original can not be found.
          The place is not determined in any way, and there is no way to identify either by place not by car or by people.
          Tomorrow I rivet about a dozen of them, with any flags.
          Yes, yes, staged 100 pounds, we believe you ... laughing
          And the torchlight processions of the ukronazists were shot at Mosfilm! fool By the way, during the filming of the "races" the roof of one of the shooting pavilions collapsed, a fragment of the roof touched the atalef and therefore he stopped seeing obvious things ... laughing
          1. atalef
            atalef 15 January 2020 08: 17
            -12
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            Yes, yes, staged 100 pounds, we believe you ...
            And the torchlight processions of the ukronazists were shot at Mosfilm!

            what is the connection between one and the other?
        2. svp67
          svp67 15 January 2020 07: 40
          +15
          Quote: atalef
          The place is not determined in any way, and there is no way to identify either by place not by car or by people.

          Look for the pages of the battalion, and then the Azov regiment, there you will find a lot of this.
          Quote: atalef
          But there is no Nazism in Ukraine - stop already pulling the owl on the globe.

          That is, you are against the United States now? Let me remind you that it is "Azov" that is recognized in the United States as an organization filled with "neo-Nazis, racists and anti-Semites." Azov has not yet been disbanded.
          1. atalef
            atalef 15 January 2020 08: 36
            -16
            Quote: svp67
            Look for the pages of the battalion, and then the Azov regiment, there you will find a lot of this.

            give a reference, I will be grateful.
            At one time in the ranks of the DPR was convinced natsik
            https://www.obozrevatel.com/crime/nastoyaschij-fashist-v-seti-pokazali-epichnyij-prokol-rospropagandyi.htm
            fact, but none of this concludes the state policy of LDNR
            Quote: svp67
            That is, you are against the United States now? Let me remind you that it is "Azov" that is recognized in the United States as an organization filled with "neo-Nazis, racists and anti-Semites." Azov has not yet been disbanded.

            I do not know what it is - recognized by an organization filled with "neo-Nazis, racists and anti-Semites." as you called. - if you throw off the link to the original (in English - I will be grateful)
        3. andj61
          andj61 15 January 2020 10: 18
          +2
          Quote: atalef
          Photo Photoshop or staged.

          Hello Alexander! hi
          Are you trolling again? wink
          Even the US Congress has no doubts about the Nazi "content" of "Azov", and you seem to have never been seen in sympathy for the Nazis ... laughing
          And with Azov, everything is simple - their emblem is enough. Or do you say that she also does not prove anything, that this is Photoshop and there is no geolocation?
          1. atalef
            atalef 15 January 2020 12: 17
            -9
            Quote: andj61
            Quote: atalef
            Photo Photoshop or staged.

            Hello Alexander! hi
            Are you trolling again? wink
            Even the US Congress has no doubts about the Nazi "content" of "Azov", and you seem to have never been seen in sympathy for the Nazis ... laughing
            And with Azov, everything is simple - their emblem is enough. Or do you say that she also does not prove anything, that this is Photoshop and there is no geolocation?

            Hi, I haven’t seen you for a long time. drinks
            You probably misunderstood me.
            Let's separate the flies from the cutlets.
            Nowadays, there is no problem to blindfold any kind of photo and pass them off as originals.
            Therefore, I'm sorry if this photo is not on the official website, has no geolocation and it is not possible to identify it both locally and by people - except as a fake I can not attribute it.
            Next, about the runes on the badge.
            The Kiss group has the same ones, and the special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in the Caucasus have the name Edelweiss (this is just the division that stormed the Caucasus.
            What conclusions should I draw from this?
            Therefore, there is no need for generalizations and labeling - I am a technical comrade and I like accuracy in definitions - I do not need to scatter terms - fascists, Nazis, genocide - if there is nothing but propaganda behind this.
            This devalues ​​the memory of people who perished at the hands of the Nazis and the genocide they organized.
            I say again - in Ukraine there is neither Nazism nor fascism as a state policy - no.
            You can say that Russophobian is - I agree, but it is no different from your Ukrainophobic.
            You two very close people began to hate each other as sworn enemies, and this is primarily because of those who declared the entire people of Ukraine fascists and Nazis.
            It should be a shame.
            And first of all, look at yourself and your zombies, how he turns you into a thoughtless herd.
      4. Neron roma
        Neron roma 15 January 2020 10: 03
        -9
        Let me ask, what is there no Nazis and fascists in the Russian Federation? No Russian marches with a swastika? First you can see your log in the eye, and then nod at the neighbors!
        1. Alexander Suvorov
          Alexander Suvorov 15 January 2020 11: 15
          +3
          Neron Roma (Neron Roma)
          Let me ask, what is there that there are no Nazis and fascists in the Russian Federation?
          There is, only now they are sitting under the baseboard, where is the place for them!
          No Russian marches with a swastika?
          Did I oversleep? Went through Red Square Natsik with a torchlight procession? When?
          First you can see your log in the eye, and then nod at the neighbors!
          Well, look into YOUR eye ...
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            15 January 2020 11: 54
            -10
            Below the baseboard, say? ...
    3. Edik
      Edik 15 January 2020 07: 30
      -4
      Quote: Ezekiel 25-17
      It is unfortunate that the author strongly supports the criminal ukronazist regime.

      He supports the Ukrainian people, is it not clear? Natsikov there as a percentage of 0.1% of the total population, their states simply nominated and sponsored in due time.
      Ukrainians still remember the Great Patriotic War and look at the Natsik as we do!
      1. Alexander Suvorov
        Alexander Suvorov 15 January 2020 08: 40
        +4
        Edik (Ed)
        He supports the Ukrainian people, is it really not clear? Natsikov there in a percentage ratio of 0.1%
        Yes, yes, you heard that the Natsiks are minuscule there, but they are the ones who run the show, and the Ukrainian people, with the exception of Donbass and Luhansk oblast, have put their tongues in their ass and support this power, if not 100 percent, then 60-70 percent. Do not fill my ears with these tales of "brotherly" people. Firstly, I live next to them, and secondly, I have relatives in KHARKOV (in Lviv) who are going to come to kill me ... Of course, the Nazis are minuscule in the same place, only now I used to have my relatives in Bandera did not count, but it looks like and this is in the once pro-Russian Kharkovwhat to speak for others ?!
        1. Edik
          Edik 15 January 2020 08: 49
          -4
          Quote: Alexander Suvorov
          Firstly, I live next to them, and secondly, I have relatives in KHARKIV (in Lviv) who are going to come to kill me ...

          Your relatives are not very smart! Although you can understand them when anti-Russian propaganda has been working for many years, you can really beguile the coast belay
          But this is a reversible process .. They can say the injured party ..
          Quote: Alexander Suvorov
          Do not fill my ears with these tales of "brotherly" people

          You are right, they are not brotherly people to us, they are Russian, the same as you!
          1. Alexander Suvorov
            Alexander Suvorov 15 January 2020 08: 54
            +5
            Edik (Ed)
            Your relatives are not very smart!
            A very valuable observation, but they are not there alone, unfortunately!
            But this is a reversible process.
            Judging by the last (emnip 2016) communication with them, I strongly doubt that reversible ...
            You are right, they are not brotherly people to us, they are Russian, the same as you!
            Try to tell them this, hear a lot about yourself ...
            1. Edik
              Edik 15 January 2020 09: 07
              -4
              Quote: Alexander Suvorov
              Try to tell them this, hear a lot about yourself ...

              THIS IS ALL POLICY, THEY ARE HOSTAGES TO THE POLITICAL SITUATION!
              It is bad of course that they could not separate politics from personal, although not everyone is given this.
              I wouldn’t climb on them, convince them now of something unreal!
              Time and secondary treatment with anti-propaganda.
              You need to understand that the process in Ukraine did not go on its own, it is a cultivated process! This is done for our separation and weakening!
              "Divide et Impera"
  2. intuzazist
    intuzazist 15 January 2020 06: 33
    +3
    When they came for the Jews, we were silent (did not notice the Nazis). When they came for the Communists, we were silent too. And when they came for us, there was no one to shout for it ........
    (dill)
    1. Finches
      Finches 15 January 2020 06: 38
      +2
      Who is there to come already for? If only one after another! laughing
    2. atalef
      atalef 15 January 2020 06: 44
      -19
      Quote: intuzazist
      And when they came for us, there was no one to shout for it ........
      (dill)

      This is not a Ukrainian proverb and not a Russian one.
      And not a proverb.
      And they didn’t come for Ukrainians, for Russians, by the way.
      Loyal to the Nazis lived quietly and worked in the occupied territories.
      1. Alexander Suvorov
        Alexander Suvorov 15 January 2020 06: 56
        +9
        atalef (alexander) Today, 06: 44
        And they didn’t come for Ukrainians, for Russians, by the way.
        Yeah, tell this to Jews, Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians and other inhabitants of the USSR who were executed, tortured, burned alive in Khatyn, Zmievskaya beam, etc. the list is very long.

        In general, it is ridiculous to look at a Jew, an ardent defender of the Nazis. What is atalaf russophobia she is, right? Love is evil, will you love a fascist?
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        2. albert
          albert 15 January 2020 19: 00
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Suvorov
          In general, it is ridiculous to look at a Jew, an ardent defender of the Nazis. What is atalaf russophobia she is, right? Love is evil, will you love a fascist?

          Why be surprised. Valtsman is also a Jew and commands Natsik
      2. Konstantin Shevchenko
        Konstantin Shevchenko 15 January 2020 07: 03
        +6
        Loyal to the Nazis lived quietly and worked in the occupied territories.
        The most heinous lie.
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          1. garrett
            garrett 15 January 2020 09: 21
            +3
            Lokot Republic

            Lokot Republic is an exception to the rule. quasi-state for Svidomo bulks, zmagars and other colorants. Give an example, Mr. historian ??? laughing
          2. Konstantin Shevchenko
            Konstantin Shevchenko 15 January 2020 11: 31
            +4
            Are "loyal" novelties like moderate terrorists? Collaborators are now loyal. Not for the first time on VO, I read Jews and Gypsies for scrap, but loyal was good. It turns out there were no others. I wonder how many were loyal as a percentage of the USSR? Villages with residents from Belarus to Moscow burned down by loyal workers for what reason? Prisoners of war who surrendered at the call of the "social-democratic" propaganda of the Germans offering freedom and good work, why did they end up in death camps in the Rostov region, Volgograd region, Voronezh region? Children, adolescents (not Jews and Gypsies) from the occupied territories where did the Germans send? There was no Ost plan, shall we deny it? In the history of Ukraine there is a history of how loyalists met with bread and salt, danced for two weeks and ended up in a common pit.
      3. Boris55
        Boris55 15 January 2020 07: 18
        +10
        Quote: atalef
        Loyal to the Nazis lived quietly and worked in the occupied territories.

        Loyal - is Bandera? Worked calmly - is it like that?


        1. Konstantin Shevchenko
          Konstantin Shevchenko 15 January 2020 12: 17
          +5
          According to the quote atalef it turns out that the Jews and Gypsies were loyal to Hitler, but they were not lucky. But not the loyal ones themselves.
    3. garrett
      garrett 15 January 2020 09: 17
      +5
      When did you come

      this is not a proverb, this is a quote from the speeches of the German pastor Martin Nimeller
  3. gvozdan
    gvozdan 15 January 2020 07: 53
    0
    In the trench of this joker
  4. Tzar
    Tzar 15 January 2020 07: 55
    +4
    Some absurd note with an attempt in inappropriate humor, is it really worthy of a separate article? ..
  5. Flooding
    Flooding 15 January 2020 08: 28
    +5
    My two recent publications have caused mixed reactions among readers of VO.

    It seemed a little. I came for the supplement.
  6. rocket757
    rocket757 15 January 2020 08: 38
    +2
    Kraina, like any other country, cannot be monolithic in political predilections.
    It's just that all sorts of different things are put on display for the sake of and for different purposes.
    BUT, the public procession of torchbearers, it was definitely not Olympic affairs, so there is reason to argue that the Krajn state, at a minimum, does not impede such an action, and this is already an INDICATOR.
    1. Avior
      Avior 15 January 2020 10: 04
      0
      An indicator of what?
      Indeed, at the same time, there is a public holiday in Ukraine - the day off is May 9 Victory Day, and many want to turn a blind eye to this because of the difficulty in understanding what and how.
      And the famous memorial complex, which Leonid Ilyich personally opened, is also in place, including the emblem of the USSR.

      And not only this complex.
      That's all. Taken together, is it an indicator of what?
      It seems that Man is generally arranged like that - I want to reduce the complicated process to simple black and white, it's easier, you don’t need to break your head
      hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 15 January 2020 10: 50
        -1
        Quote: Avior
        An indicator of what?

        Just remembered. Marches of nationalists, coupists, phalangists and fascists! Torchlight processions as an indispensable attribute of this phenomenon. It turns out so for me.
        It’s not worth interfering in a bunch, it’s a boom to see how events develop. Time, the best judge.
        1. Avior
          Avior 15 January 2020 12: 10
          -6
          everything is clear with Bandera, like the symbolism of the nationalists, but these torchlight processions themselves are by no means a purely Nazi symbol, in Russia there is a similar one too, and in the USSR
          In Bryansk, students of school number 18 in the 10th microdistrict staged a torchlight procession and rally dedicated to the 75th anniversary of the liberation of the region from Nazi invaders, Bryansk Today reports on Monday, September 17.

          The event was also attended by parents of schoolchildren, teachers and local residents. They laid flowers at the monument to the victims of World War II.

          https://lenta.ru/news/2018/09/17/fakel/
          and such examples are not alone
          were in Crimea on May 9?
          The torchlight procession in Kerch is an annual event from May 8 to 9 in Kerch, when thousands of city residents with lighted torches pass along the main street on Mount Mithridates to the obelisk of Glory to honor the memory of Soviet soldiers who fell during the Great Patriotic War, who hosts a theatrical performance with elements of historical reconstruction. Within an hour in front of the audience, the history of the war years takes place, the culmination of which is the battle for Mithridates and hoisting on top of the Red Banner.

          History
          The first torchlight procession in Kerch’s recent history took place in 1967. Then, the “Memory Watch” was held in the city, its participants lit torches and climbed Mount Mithridates. The symbolism of this action was simple - each citizen brought his fire to the obelisk of Glory.

          Over the years, the torchlight procession has grown into a tradition, and in 1973, when Kerch awarded the honorary title of a hero city, the fiery performance became part of the celebration of Victory Day. On the evening of May 8, thousands of Kerch people take to the streets and light home-made torches. A fiery stream of people rises up the Mithridates staircase, carrying a torch in his hand in memory of the dead defenders of the Fatherland. Traditionally, the whole city is watching the fire snake moving up the stairs.

          it’s just that some parties show on TV and in information space 100 times a day, while others do not show at all, that’s what people perceive as one-sided
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 15 January 2020 13: 10
            +1
            It is clear that the main thing is a symbol of what, what event, phenomenon, a torch extravaganza is held ... but I still DO NOT LIKE! If lighted candles, this is a commemoration, then torches, this is the threshold of a fire, most often. It seems to me such associations.
            1. Avior
              Avior 15 January 2020 13: 13
              -4
              Got it.
              How about bonfires? smile
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 15 January 2020 13: 40
                +1
                Quote: Avior
                Got it.
                How about bonfires? smile

                I was a pioneer and I remember what a PIONEER BOILER after a lightning .... is also a symbol, by the way. The grass was greener, the trees were taller and the glass was almost full!
                1. Avior
                  Avior 15 January 2020 14: 39
                  0
                  And not only after Zarnitsa
                  August 31 every year, at least in our school :)
          2. ZaharoFF
            ZaharoFF 15 January 2020 14: 30
            -1
            All right, let them march, bouncing and chanting. Just think, it’s something, something well-known - well, nonsense. Truth? Little tricks - forgive them. Or even we close our eyes - well, think about it - it happens. Can I thank them again?
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 15 January 2020 14: 51
              -2
              Symbolism, symbolism matters, but the most "poisonous" are words, concepts, definitions and conversations that fall on the immature brains of the younger generation and can be fixed there forever! So then prepared candidates for the team's sonder are obtained!
              Word, this is man’s worst weapon.
      2. Sewer krainiy
        Sewer krainiy 15 January 2020 19: 11
        +1
        And the famous memorial complex, which Leonid Ilyich personally opened, is also in place, including the emblem of the USSR.

        It was so online that they wanted to bring down the Coat of Arms, but as long as it doesn’t work out, the alignment will be broken. Fake ???
  7. Barmaleyka
    Barmaleyka 15 January 2020 08: 42
    0
    but what is the article about ?!
    1. Alexander Suvorov
      Alexander Suvorov 15 January 2020 08: 56
      +5
      Barmaleyka (Vladimir)
      but what is the article about ?!
      That we are all stupid cotton-wool patriots here, and one author is d'Artagnan.
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 15 January 2020 10: 07
        +2
        He’s joking about fascism.
        Well done. And then he wonders why they do not like him.
      2. Barmaleyka
        Barmaleyka 15 January 2020 12: 11
        +2
        d'artagnan came and marked everyone
  8. Jarserge
    Jarserge 15 January 2020 08: 55
    +5
    The author is a strange man. Of course, the situation with monuments and cemeteries is ambiguous. I can immediately say that most of the burials in Poland and Germany (unlike Russia and Ukraine) are on the balance sheet of local authorities. It is for the money that they are looked after and protected, i.e. nominally there is a master. But in some countries the current political moment, the rewriting of history, wins. Ask the same Czechs and from the majority you will hear that the Americans liberated them. And the Russian invaders. The revision of history is aimed at the future, that's the worst thing. As for Nazism in Ukraine. What did the author want? Swastika flags on city halls? No, it STILL not come to that. But torchlight processions on Bandera's birthday are becoming NORMAL. Anyone can buy children's books describing the "exploits" of the OUN-UPA with corresponding drawings. Has the author forgotten those who were burned alive in Odessa? Forgot Mariupol, Zaporozhye? Radio and television speeches of deputies and officials broadcasting about traitors in Donbass and Crimea and promising to outweigh them. What is the official existence of Aydar and Azov of the Right Sector? Murdered journalist Buzina? Read his books, articles, you can understand something. Found two pieces of iron and made a banter
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    2. Avior
      Avior 15 January 2020 09: 55
      -3
      As I understand it, in both Russia and Ukraine, most burials are also on the balance of local authorities. Or is it not so?
    3. mikstepanenko
      mikstepanenko 17 January 2020 22: 18
      0
      Anyone can buy children's books describing the "exploits" of the OUN-UPA with corresponding drawings.
      They can buy it, just do not buy it. Disdain.
  9. Catfish
    Catfish 15 January 2020 09: 32
    0
    In the off and on, and not laziness. laughing
  10. Fibrizio
    Fibrizio 15 January 2020 09: 46
    +1
    Quote: Finches
    There is no Nazism in Ukraine - Boyarskaya drew a swastika

    Where did you see the swastika? (I will give a hint, the cross which is still on the Bundeswehr technique has never been a swastika).
  11. Maks1995
    Maks1995 15 January 2020 09: 46
    -2
    The author is well done.
    When all the oligarchs pit peoples, he writes the truth, though his own.

    I personally remembered how Our media lied about Poroshenko that after the election he canceled the celebration of May 9th.
    Climbed to check - and - his photo on May 9, with veterans, by the fire, by the monuments, with red ones !!! and yellow-blue flags ....
    I met a similar "truth" 5 times in passing ...
  12. Mestny
    Mestny 15 January 2020 10: 06
    +1
    We should not joke on this subject.
    They can even break a face.
    For most of us, the very possibility of joking about fascism is already blasphemy and insult.
    1. Avior
      Avior 15 January 2020 11: 47
      -3
      of course you are categorical
      and life is more complicated and confusing
      the author does not justify the Nazis.
      and in life there are enough examples that do not fit into your categorical statements.
      According to the website of the Film Distributor’s Bulletin, the box office of the movie Hitler Kaput! in Russia for the first one and a half months of rental (as of November 2, 2008) amounted to 245 rubles ($ 469) with attendance of 464 spectators. In the first week, the film became the rental leader, far surpassing the fees, the runner-up adventure film “Journey to the Center of the Earth 9D” (USA). In the second week he lost first place to the musical film “Mamma Mia!” (USA). From the third week began a decline in attendance [618].

      Three times a stupid film, but I about how the general public accepted it, although there was indignation against him, they drowned in box office: ((.
      There were comedies about the war in Soviet times, too, the sergeant Tsybuli’s summer trip, or the French Great Walk in the USSR, was a huge success.
      Yes, and in a genius Only old men go into battle jokes about Hitler's bunker did not bother anyone.
      Or another example, not comedic.
      Nobody condemned either Semenov or Liaznova for the positive literary and cinematic image of the fanatical essayist Helmut Calder, a war criminal, how does he enter your framework?
      Helmut Calder was not associated with Stirlitz. Their paths are nowhere
      intersected. He fought honestly since the fortieth year. He knew that he was fighting for
      his homeland, for the life of his mother, three brothers and sisters. He believed that
      fighting for the future of Germany against the inferior Slavs who captured
      huge lands, not knowing how to cultivate them; .... He believed that the genius of the Fuhrer would be
      shine through the ages.
      ...
      When his platoon was first ordered to shoot forty hostages
      near Smolensk - there derailed the train, - Helmut washed down: before
      they stood women with children and the elderly. Women pressed children to their breasts,
      they closed their eyes and asked to be killed as soon as possible.
      ..... And then they went into battle again, and the fury of battles with the Russians
      supplanted memories of that nightmare.

      It seems that he is still a character, but he never heard any indignation against his positive image with categorical judgments
      hi
  13. Grad-Xnumx
    Grad-Xnumx 15 January 2020 10: 17
    -6

    That's right, for example, in Kubink there are fascist tanks and do not hesitate to draw fascist signs. All in the firebox.
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 15 January 2020 10: 48
      +4
      Is Cuban also joking about fascism?
      Or are they all different there?
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        15 January 2020 11: 10
        0
        That's exactly where everything is on the shelves. The equipment is not labeled "fascism" or "Nazism". A TTX and year of production. But the joke about fascism was, is and will be. Even during the war, our soldiers made fun of the Germans. I have read at one time a whole selection of anecdotes born in the trenches. There were also stories from life.
  14. 32363
    32363 15 January 2020 15: 35
    +2
    and where they saw the Nazis? ordinary balkenkreutz (crossed beams).
    here the Finns are still in the Air Force hackenkreuz (hook-shaped cross).
  15. The leader of the Redskins
    15 January 2020 18: 30
    -4
    Honestly, I did not think that a short travel note about two rusty stoves standing by the road would cause such a resonance. For some reason, I was hoping that they would reflect on what base these pepelats were stuck together and where they were filming, but it turned out like ...
    But this once again showed the attitude of our society to neighbors, to their changes, to their choice ....
    And while the attitude of individuals to obvious facts will be at the level of reflex emotions, rather than common sense, there is no reason to expect changes for the better in relation to others.
    In any case, I want to thank everyone who read and did not remain indifferent in their comments.
    1. Kettle
      Kettle 17 January 2020 12: 17
      +4
      It is surprising, of course, that the Voennoye Obozreniye website, where articles on military equipment in the early to mid-2010s were very good, many other media referred to them, and comments and discussions were even more interesting, has now become so.
      Of the hundred comments - not a single one on military equipment and military affairs.
      It seems that these two copies were built for filming films about the war, and in general they are pretty good cues.
      The armored car is rarely seen in the photo and in the chronicle of the headquarters armored car Sd.Kfz.247, modification B, a completely modern design at that time.
      At the beginning of the war, the Germans made about 60 of them.

      Truck - we tried to reproduce one of the "Einhats-Diesels" - a series of more than 12 standardized 000-ton vehicles produced by MAN, Magirus, Faun, Henschel and other factories according to the same standard version, slightly different in appearance.
      This replica, it seems, is based on the "Ural", therefore, somewhat larger than the "Einhats-Diesel".
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        17 January 2020 12: 41
        0
        And it seems to me that the running gear of the Henschel is most likely ZIL 131. But I won't argue))
      2. Fishery
        Fishery 27 January 2020 15: 54
        0
        you are right this is a replica for airsoft, it uses different scenarios and teams, Germans, Americans, the red army
        I've been watching them for 10 years)
    2. Avior
      Avior 18 January 2020 00: 24
      +2
      I remembered where I saw a discussion of a replica of the rare German headquarters armored car of the Second World War that you met.
      https://reibert.info/threads/sd-kfz-247-ausf-v.318020/
      https://reibert.info/threads/sd-kfz-247-na-odesskoj-trasse.381029/
      Created to participate in films and reconstruction
      The third in the world, as you can understand from the discussion. There is only Czech and German
  16. antivirus
    antivirus 16 January 2020 14: 07
    -1
    Quote: sergo1914
    How in such a small message can fit so much nonsense?

    you always have to do your own thing
  17. Alexey Z
    Alexey Z 17 January 2020 19: 43
    0
    I will never understand and forgive the renaming of Stalingrad.
  18. Fishery
    Fishery 27 January 2020 15: 52
    0
    these cars are used for reconstructions and airsoft))) of course there are manifestations, but here by.