Haftar explained the reasons for not signing an armistice agreement

The commander of the Libyan National Army (LNA), Khalifa Haftar, who did not sign a ceasefire in Libya and left Moscow for indirect talks, said the reason for this was to ignore some of the demands of the LNA. This was reported by Al Arabiya.

According to the TV channel, Haftar was not satisfied with the proposed version of the ceasefire agreement, since he ignored a number of requirements of the Libyan National Army.

The draft [agreement] ignores many of the requirements of the Libyan army

- quotes the channel words Haftar.

According to Sky News Arabia, the commander of the LNA insisted on the deployment of his forces in Tripoli and the formation of a government of national unity, which would receive a vote of confidence in the parliament sitting in Tobruk, instead of Faes Saraj sitting there.

In addition, Haftar called for international monitoring of the ceasefire without any involvement from Turkey and demanded the unconditional withdrawal of “mercenaries brought from Syria and Turkey”.

Earlier, the agreement was signed by the head of the PNS, Faez Saraj, who had also left Moscow.

According to experts, Haftar is unlikely to make concessions to his opponents, as recently the Libyan National Army (LNA) has been successful on all fronts, crowding out units controlled by the PNS. These victories were given to Haftar too expensive and therefore he does not intend to comply with the requirements of the same PNS, requiring the removal of the LNA from Tripoli.

Haftar’s position is also understood in Moscow, so the initial task of indirect negotiations was to sign the initial ceasefire agreement with further prospects for negotiations.

Earlier, the leaders of Russia and Turkey, Vladimir Putin and Recep Tayyip Erdogan, agreed on a common position on Libya and called on the conflicting parties to a ceasefire.

Comments

[rocket757]

Haftara did not accept the proposed version of the armistice agreement, since he ignored a number of requirements of the Libyan national army.

Any agreement is the art of seeking, creating compromises .... just someone was more dissatisfied than the opposite side. They will continue to work, the peace of Libya is needed.

[Hunter 2]

Well, the Marshal still feels his strength, the Initiative is in his hands - accordingly, if there is a truce, then on conditions more favorable to him. They will continue to both fight and try to come to an agreement!

[rocket757]

I hope the leaders, who are NATIONAL, understand that the country has suffered enough ... it's time to put up and restore the state! No one except them will do this.

[Hunter 2]

In general, you are certainly right, but ... this situation depends not so much on the Leaders as on the parties supporting them! And there a lot of contradictions crossed.
In fact, two coalitions clashed. PNS with Turkey and Marshal with the Saudis and the UAE.

[rocket757]

Quote: Hunter 2

And there a lot of contradictions crossed.

So always, if there is something to TAKE from the territory! It will not be easy, but it is necessary to do ... if the leaders are at least somehow NATIONAL. The alien, appointed puppets will act in the owners' interests, as always.

[Hunter 2]

The National Leader there was ONE !!! Colonel Gaddafi, who managed to unite this motley audience ... but did not know how to fight off Western "friends".
Friendship, as they say ... especially with the French.

[rocket757]

Quote: Hunter 2

Friendship, as they say ... especially with the French.

This is a well-known fact .... "Tell me who you chose as a friend, it will be clear what awaits you!" ... waited!

[cniza]

In politics, friendship cannot be by definition, only the calculation and protection of national interests.

[rocket757]

Quote: cniza

In politics, friendship cannot be by definition, only the calculation and protection of national interests.

National or personal interests, the choice is limited.
So they choose, and then we see who the statesman is, and who ... he ran past and this is in the best case, they can row for themselves, and it’s not uncommon.

[cniza]

This is so, often our troubles are due to the fact that our "kings" are poor ...

[rocket757]

Quote: cniza

This is so, often our troubles are due to the fact that our "kings" are poor ...

If only "poor" were, it is somehow easier to survive ... it is worse when they are scarce in some human dignity, and rich in other shortcomings! some countries could not survive this!

[cniza]

Wow, greed begets poverty ...

[rocket757]

There are no exact indicators, but greed, as it were responsible, brings a lot of troubles to people and the country.

[cniza]

This is put it mildly and it’s difficult to resist it ...

[dzvero]

With his gold dinar project, Gaddafi encroached on the CFA (essentially a colonial monetary unit for the former French colonies in western and central Africa). It is no coincidence that the French were the first to begin the dismantling, they even drove their aircraft carrier ... and it is not known how it would end if the Americans did not help

[rocket757]

Quote: dzvero

Gaddafi encroached on his golden dinar project

The colonel was the "original", although I would like to call him very differently ... he brought his country under a monastery and it doesn't matter now for what reasons. The fact, the destruction of the country, took place.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: dzvero

It is no coincidence that the French were the first to begin dismantling, they even drove their aircraft carrier ...

Oh, no coincidence. There, it was time for Sarkozy to pay off Gaddafi's loan, which he naively (??? !!!) granted the Frenchman to the election campaign. So I calculated, ghoul ...

[protoss]

Quote: Hunter 2

The National Leader there was ONE !!! Colonel Gaddafi,

if he were such an unconditional leader, his subjects would not have torn him to pieces.
the trouble of Gaddafi, Hussein, etc. and their countries, that they were able to concentrate absolute power in their hands, but could not build an impersonal system of power in the future, where the departure of the "leader" does not lead to the collapse of the state.
this is precisely the reason for the chaos that followed the fall of these leaders, and not the machinations of the West, Islamic fundamentalists, etc.
it is not a question of democracy or totalitarianism, clericalism or secularism of the state.
Khamenei will die now and in Iran there will be a new rakhbar, Rohani will resign - they will hold early elections and choose Ahmadinejad or someone else. Iran will not collapse, power is distributed between branches, the system is stable.

[rocket757]

Quote: protoss

trouble Gaddafi, Hussein, etc. and their countries that they were able to concentrate absolute power in their hands, but could not

Well now to list what he could not, where he imagines and what was wrong ... this is a LESSON, for the rest, others !!! Which again no one, almost. does not want to learn.

[Astra wild]

I doubt that "power is distributed" in Iran, what is the distribution of power if they do not understand what kind of system?

[protoss]

if you do not understand, this does not mean that it is not.

[hohol95]

There are many articles on the Internet about the "Vertical of Power in Iran". Flip through ...

[Misha Honest]

Haftar would be a near-minded person if he signed this nonsense ... Especially when he almost squeezed his opponents. I do not understand what for indulging the Turks and convening this stupid conference, everything is already almost over ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Hunter 2

They will continue to both fight and try to come to an agreement!

But the Turks will not be asleep either.

[businessv]

Quote: rocket757

They will continue to work, the peace of Libya is needed.

As long as there will be puppets - mattress covers, there will be no peace, the world is not profitable for minke whales.

[Mikhail3]

What for? Why would they, and above all Haftar, need peace? Israel's merry fuss with the Arabs, above all with Arafat, even when she proved that in order to rake mountains of neglected money, some kind of despicable peace is not at all needed. We need a War. Such a mid-heat war, at times cooled by negotiations, various events, the attention of the "world community" and other nishtyaks.
What is Haftar and the rest of the fun now getting? They receive money and resources from various sources. All incomes that can somehow be extracted from the Libyan land are received by them. Lots of people from many parts of the world make money on the "confrontation in Libya." Deals are spinning, laveha is muddled!
What will Haftar get if he foolishly wins? A destroyed country, with a completely crushed economy and the need to feed a bunch of people who have forgotten how to work a long time ago. The rest of the world, having lost the ability to feed its military budgets and funds of political influence, will completely lose interest in destroyed Libya. That is, there will be years and years of intense work, in conditions of poverty, both personal and state, with a constant risk of explosion from people who are not inclined to plow, but sleep with a machine gun on their chest, as they used to, and international disapproval of "non-observance of human rights", so as for the "world community" a person is, first of all, a bandit and a murderer. With which you will have to fight day and night, but only pressed it to your nail, and then it smelled ...
What is your world? Why would it all be?

[Wolf]

The world of Libya is needed, but the ego is not there for the destruction of Libya for France, Evil Britain, the United States and the United States and the assassination of Gadafi is an evil Briton! Haftar in full Rights that did not sign this agreement. The Sultan overestimates his capabilities and the capabilities of Turkey. Why do emu climb in Liviu? Syria problem but VV , The Sultan needs to point his ego to the line! Unfortunately today is the time of the steel fist and not of contracts. This strategy of the Sultan is probably conceived in London, a good part of the special services of Turkey and the advisers of the Sultan under the control of London, as well as Greece. The evil Briti are overplayed. They missed the outskirts and our people there under the brainwashing of NATO criminals and this is a BIG MISTAKE! The best defense ATTACK! Stop French philosophy of war! Static death! Is necessary on the offensive !!! The French never knew how to fight, Napoleon was Corsicanac !!!

[Mikhail3]

Haftar studied and raised in the United States. His family is there. If the French hope to lay a paw on the wealth of Libya, they are even dumber than ours, supporting Haftar in the American interests ...

[Wolf]

I did not know about Haftaru, thanks for the information.

[Avior]

Marshal is strong! :)
What he could not do by force requires that the adversary do voluntarily

[svp67]

According to Sky News Arabia, the commander of the LNA insisted on the deployment of his forces in Tripoli and the formation of a government of national unity, which would receive a vote of confidence in the parliament sitting in Tobruk, instead of Faes Saraj sitting there.

That is, he wants to solve the entire "problem" by military means. While his opponent is weak, and he is taking off. But military happiness is changeable, will it be favorable to him constantly

[solzh]

Quote: svp67

But military happiness is changeable

Especially now that Turkey has announced support for the PNS ...

[svp67]

Quote: solzh

Especially now that Turkey has announced support for the PNS ...

Yes, Haftar clearly needs to hurry ...

[Oquzyurd]

Erdogan’s direct speech is on Turkey’s TV. 10 minutes ago he stated that if the Hawtor continues to advance, we will spread him across the Libyan desert. Until peace is established in this country, we will be there.

[svp67]

Quote: Oquzyurd

Until peace is established in this country, we will be there.

It remains to prove it. So far, Turkey cannot cope with the Kurds. And behind Haftar is Egypt and Saudi Arabia

[bouncyhunter]

That is, he wants to solve the entire "problem" by military means.

Our ripened everywhere everywhere?

[svp67]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Our ripened everywhere everywhere?

And now he simply has no other choice. "He's either Pan, or he's gone"

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: svp67

"Or is he Pan

Will he escape to Poland or Ukraine?

[svp67]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Will he escape to Poland or Ukraine?

Yes Egypt is nearby

[Oquzyurd]

“If attacks on the positions of the allies of the recognized Libyan authorities resume, Turkey will be ready to teach a proper lesson to Haftaru,” Erdogan emphasized, noting that Turkey clearly abides by all the obligations that were demonstrated the day before at the talks.

“Representatives of the Libyan authorities took a constructive position on the armistice. However, Haftar again resorted to deception and refused to sign the document. At first, he allegedly took a respite, and then simply fled from Moscow, ”Erdogan said.

The Turkish leader said that participants in the Berlin conference on Libya will discuss Haftar’s position.

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: svp67

Yes Egypt is nearby

This is yes. In the language of our ancestors: "The water is dark in the clouds."

[tihonmarine]

Quote: svp67

So far, Turkey cannot cope with the Kurds.

Kurds are a warrior, and Libyans are so-so.

[maidan.izrailovich]

So far, Turkey cannot cope with the Kurds. And behind Haftar is Egypt and Saudi Arabia

Criticize Turkey for the Kurds And then, as an argument, the SA bring. Which, in turn, can not cope with the Hussites. There is a contradiction. Well, God bless him. None of this is important.
The main thing that many cannot understand is that the so-called Haftar sponsors were counting on quick success. Because both the Saudis and the Egyptians understand that they support an illegitimate leader. Quick success did not work. And every day the probability of any kind of success is ever less. PNS is building up military capabilities. And with the advent of Turkey, this process will accelerate.
And again about the Haftar sponsors. Haftar didn’t have normal aviation, and the rest of the armament from the world on a thread. What kind of sponsors are these greedy? Neither the Saudis, nor Egypt will climb into a serious fight in Libya. They have enough problems without Libya. And with the advent of Turkey, even more so they will not climb.

[svp67]

Quote: maidan.izrailovich

Criticize Turkey for the Kurds And then, as an argument, the SA bring. Which, in turn, can not cope with the Hussites. There is a contradiction.

There are no contradictions. Turkey itself is at war, and Saudi Arabia in this case only provides material support and security

Quote: maidan.izrailovich

Because both the Saudis and the Egyptians understand that they support an illegitimate leader.

Actually, the parliament is behind it. So that legitimacy in this case is a debatable issue. Guaido is somehow recognized

Quote: maidan.izrailovich

Neither the Saudis, nor Egypt will climb into a serious fight in Libya. They have enough problems without Libya. And with the advent of Turkey, even more so they will not climb.

And now they don’t have to climb. They already do their work

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: maidan.izrailovich

Neither the Saudis, nor Egypt will climb into a serious fight in Libya. They have enough problems without Libya. And with the advent of Turkey, even more so they will not climb.

It is precisely with the "arrival of Turkey" that the Saudis and Egypt can seriously "climb" - Turkey is their regional competitor and they will not give Libya to Erdogan just like that.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: svp67

Yes, Haftar clearly needs to hurry ...

But Haftar himself also untied the hands of the Turks.

[atalef]

Quote: solzh

Quote: svp67

But military happiness is changeable

Especially now that Turkey has announced support for the PNS ...

And Russia refused Haftar and withdrew PMCs

[tihonmarine]

Quote: atalef

And Russia refused to Haftar and withdrew

You need to pay for PMCs.

[vladcub]

And we'll see this. "fortune girl is very windy" (Peter 1)

[voyaka uh]

Marshal did not yield to the Sultan.
They have disagreements on the land issue:
who will bury whom.

[Livonetc]

Marshall entered into a negotiation dialogue, albeit through intermediaries.
The start of negotiations is a serious positive fact.
And quite recently Russia and Turkey also had serious "land" disagreements.
We agreed and "parted sides."
A compromise is possible here.

[vladcub]

Warrior, on whom do you bet: who is better able to "bury"

[voyaka uh]

1) Government in Tripoli - unpleasant types, stubborn Islamists.
2) Erdogan - a politician with a slight delusions of grandeur, restores the influence of Turkey in the former Ottoman Empire.
And also with a noticeable inclination towards Islamism (political Islam).
3) After Hartaf comes a hodgepodge of all Arab, Bedouin, Berber peoples and tribes that are eager to "rule the country" in the capital.
----
I put on military technology and a regular army.
Turkey has an advantage.

[businessv]

Quote: voyaka uh

Hartaf is followed by a hodgepodge of all Arab, Bedouin, Berber peoples and tribes that are eager to "rule the country" in the capital.

A bit incorrect, colleague! Haftar is for everyone who wants to restore the former Libya, including the citizens you so casually called.

[voyaka uh]

If you mean the former Libya Gaddafi, then this is unlikely to succeed.
Gaddafi himself was from a small Berber-Bedouin tribe al-Gaddafi (hence the surname). He had very good deeds and very bad deeds.
But the problem is that during his reign all the key state posts were in the hands of his relatives from this clan tribe. And other citizens really don't like this. Even if the country is in relative order.

[maidan.izrailovich]

But the problem is that during his reign all the key state posts were in the hands of his relatives from this clan tribe. And other citizens really don’t like this.

Well, you understand that clanism is normal for the local mentality.
Therefore, in such countries (motley) as Libya there will never be a single society. There will always be dissatisfied (deprived), which means that the likelihood of internal conflict will always be high.

[businessv]

Quote: voyaka uh

And other citizens really don't like this. Even if the country is in relative order

It is indisputable, but such is the East! There is nothing to be done about this, no matter who comes to power, he will drag his relatives into it in the hope that they will not betray him. Well, if in Kazakhstan, even after socialism, there are still strongly tribal and clan divisions, what can we say about Libya?

[dzvero]

Turkey has an advantage.

If Turkey goes to direct participation in the hostilities (like the United States in Vietnam), it may simply not stand it. If the Air Force plays the role of Saraj, then options are already possible.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: dzvero

Turkey has an advantage.

If Turkey goes to direct participation in the hostilities (like the United States in Vietnam), it may simply not stand it. If the Air Force plays the role of Saraj, then options are already possible.

One of the main options is the purchase by the Saudis of modern air defense systems (I even guess from whom) and hired trained personnel. Further, the competition - who has a thicker wallet, is the champion.
And something tells me that the planes will end earlier.

[Astra wild]

Excuse me, but there is a regular army in Saudi Arabia and Egypt + the Saudis have money and more than Erdogan

[voyaka uh]

In what condition the army of Egypt is not very clear. She (together with Israel) is hammering ISIS in the Sinai, then there are very specific point operations in the mountains and the desert.
Turkey has proven in Syria that it is able to conduct the right ground operations, including urban areas. And Egypt has not yet introduced land forces into Libya, and the Turks are already there.

[hohol95]

... and the Turks are already there.

Is there a "proof"? About the Ground Forces?

[maidan.izrailovich]

And Egypt has not yet introduced land forces into Libya ....

If Al-Sisi is not, and I think he is not a fight, then nothing will enter Egypt. Egypt does not help Haftaru even now. And even more so against Turkey.
It’s one thing to fight with barmel men on carts, another thing is the country of NATO.

[senima56]

"When negotiations fail miserably, the communiqué says that" the meeting was useful "!"

[Invoce]

Haftar's requirements are justified!
This is direct democracy ...

LNA commander insisted on the input of his forces in Tripoli and the formation of a government of national unity, which would receive a vote of confidence in the parliament sitting in Tobruk, instead of the FNC Faraz Saraj sitting there now.
In addition, Haftar called for international monitoring of the ceasefire without any involvement from Turkey and demanded the unconditional withdrawal of “mercenaries brought from Syria and Turkey”.

It does not suit those who derban Libyan oil ... do not go to a fortuneteller

[protoss]

image haftar lost. most importantly, he did not agree to peace, but details and reasons are already the tenth matter. Now Turkish, and in the long term Tunisian and Algerian assistance to Saraj is not the support of one of the warring parties, but the coercion of the aggressive side to peace.
in principle, even its physical elimination acquires a certain moral legitimacy.
Kakbymbarshal was dumb, he had to formally sign the ceasefire, and then do everything as before, just make excuses, they say, the terrorists on that side opened fire, and we, they say, purely for self-defense.

[businessv]

Quote: protoss

kakbymarshal was stupid, he had to formally sign a truce, and then do everything as before, just make excuses

Colleague, read about Haftar at least on Wiki before talking about him so disparagingly. I'm not his fan, but he definitely deserves respect!

[protoss]

Are you talking about how his Negroes on carts bent down?

[vladcub]

Quote: Invoce

Haftar's requirements are justified!
This is direct democracy ...

LNA commander insisted on the input of his forces in Tripoli and the formation of a government of national unity, which would receive a vote of confidence in the parliament sitting in Tobruk, instead of the FNC Faraz Saraj sitting there now.
In addition, Haftar called for international monitoring of the ceasefire without any involvement from Turkey and demanded the unconditional withdrawal of “mercenaries brought from Syria and Turkey”.

It does not suit those who derban Libyan oil ... do not go to a fortuneteller

That is, the approval of Mr. Haftar. It is ridiculous to even think that the parliament sitting in Haftar's "apartment" thought differently. While Haftar has a "gun" they think as he wants. If he "drops" the gun: "take off your boots, the power has changed"

[prior]

By not signing a ceasefire agreement, Haftar signed an imminent end for himself.

[businessv]

Quote: prior

By not signing a ceasefire agreement, Haftar signed an imminent end for himself.

It may well be, but the future will tell!

[Paul Siebert]

Frankly, we are interested in a student of higher officer courses and the Frunze Academy - Comrade Havtor!
And not the pro-American puppet government in Tripoli.
But in a country where there are only two significant cities on the coast and a wild number of tribes hungry for money, oil and power, the "translivian swing" will continue.
To and fro. Here and there. And back.
You can relate to this as a change of time of day. Or seasons in nature.
For us today, Syria is more important.

[Thrifty]

Erdogad is still a hypocrite, introducing the army and militants into Libya, and immediately demands to stop the escalation of the Civil War!

[Red]

Greetings. In the Sultan, it seems that Imperial ambitions have leapt. So just an hour ago, he made an appeal that Libya was once part of the Ottoman Empire and that it was Turkey’s duty to protect it. The second important part of his appeal was what he said, now all responsibility for the signing of the ceasefire by the author lies with Putin. It seems that he has already decided to unequivocally send troops into Libya by analogy with Syria.

[businessv]

According to experts, Haftar is unlikely to make concessions to his opponents, as recently the Libyan National Army (LNA) has been successful on all fronts, crowding out units controlled by the PNS.

I think that the follower of Gaddafi in any case will not be satisfied with negotiations with people who have declared him a war criminal. There is no alternative to him in Libya, as a military leader and a person with the active help of which post-monarchical Libya was created by his "spiritual father" M. Gaddafi. With free education, medicine and other buns that residents of other countries of the region never dreamed of. And, most importantly, Russia supports him.

[Astra wild]

In fact, I do not consider Haftar to be a follower of Gaddafi: he betrayed Gaddafi.
Russia does not directly support him, but indirectly

[hohol95]

North Africa, like the East, is a SUBTLE and "muddy" business ...

[businessv]

Quote: Astra wild

he betrayed Gaddafi.
Russia does not directly support him, but indirectly

The statement on betrayal is controversial, no one would follow him now - this is the east! Well, direct or indirect support does not change the essence of support itself.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Astra wild

In fact, I do not consider Haftar to be a follower of Gaddafi: he betrayed Gaddafi.
Russia does not directly support him, but indirectly

Soldiers of the Russian PMC on the front line, is this "indirect support"? Come on!

[PValery53]

What they did not achieve on the battlefield was expected to be obtained through negotiations. But in this conflict, force is deciding.

[bar]

Russian and Turkish leaders Vladimir Putin and Recep Tayyip Erdogan agree on a common position on Libya

But Haftar is not satisfied with this position. He needs complete power in the whole country, not "delimitation"

[for]

He was rather not satisfied with the proposals of Turkey and Russia, this is not Syria.

[Losharik]

Eh Mumar Gaddafi probably chuckles with Allah ..How do you like Libyan American democracy there ..? Blood has been flowing like a river for a year now and is being robbed ..

[DPN]

Correctly done, good luck to him,