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An abnormal case with a rocket of the Russian OTRK Iskander in Kazakhstan caused concern in Poland

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The recent fall of a Russian ballistic missile in Kazakhstan outside the designated area caused a violent reaction in Poland. Recall that the missile OTRK Iskander during the tests fell outside the polygon diameter. Fragments of the rocket were found about 627 km from the launch site. This situation was called an emergency event.


In one of the most anti-Russian countries of Eastern Europe, they immediately started talking about the threat from Moscow with respect to the Iskander station located in the Kaliningrad Region.

Polish military expert Maksymilian Dura has published an article accusing Russia of violating the recently terminated Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range and Shorter-Range Missiles. According to the observer, if the Iskander-M missile was able to fly more than 600 km from the launch site, this indicates that it was originally designed for a range of more than 500 km. Meanwhile, the INF Treaty prohibited the development of ground-based missiles with such a flight range.

At the same time, the Polish expert emphasized that previously it was repeatedly said about the possible increase in the firing range of the Iskanders through the use of new generation rocket fuel. And it was the fuel modernization that could lead to an increase in the range of missiles 1,5-2 times.

The concern of the Poles does not seem surprising to us. Poland has long been one of the main bastions of Russophobia in modern Europe, competing for the rank of Russophobe country number one with the Baltic republics and Ukraine. At the same time, the authorities of the country explain their anti-Russian position by the threat that supposedly comes from Russia.

Any military exercises and tests conducted by the armed forces of our country in Poland are perceived extremely painfully. Warsaw immediately begins to say that such missiles are directed against Europe and Poland in the first place. By the way, a well-founded statement, given that Poland itself has turned itself into the main US satellite in Eastern Europe, is placing American military bases on its territory. It is clear that in the event of an armed conflict between the United States and Russia, missiles will strike at American military bases, including in Poland.

In the comments to the article in the Polish media of Defense24, one can see the concern of ordinary Polish citizens.

Germany and much of infantile Europe believe that if they disarm and pay tribute for gas by financing Russian weapons, the bandit will have no reason to attack them,

- writes a certain anonymous author.

Another commentator recalls the events of bygone years, returning to the subject of the agreement of Molotov and Ribbentrop.

Together with Hitler they invaded Poland and, despite the fact that they were supposed to do it on September 1, and not 17, they slipped, but they did,

- the commentator writes under the nickname Matros.

Other commentators note the imperfection of Poland’s air defense and missile defense, emphasizing that it remained at the level of the 1970s.

Without air defense, do you believe that some of our F-16s will take off?

- one of the commentators is interested.

User Jaro is afraid that all of Poland is within the reach of the Russian Iskanders and calls on the Ministry of Defense to pay attention to this.

Naturally, the degree of Russophobia is also very high in the comments. Ordinary Poles write that Russia allegedly threatens all of humanity by shooting down civilian planes, quotes that the Russians are “Asians, barbarians, and drunkards.”

Goes to the Europeans. First of all, Germany, since it is precisely its Poles who are accused of close cooperation with Russia. Many commentators are convinced: Angela Merkel not only seeks to buy Russian gas, but also supports Russia in the conflict with Ukraine, and also turns a blind eye to the "absorption of Belarus" by Russia.

What arrangements between Berlin and Moscow, we usually find out during joint parades on their new border passing through Poland,

- writes Werte.

As you can see, the myth of the Russian threat is inflated in Poland to such an extent that even ordinary citizens - the audience of the Polish media - unconditionally believe that Russia will attack Poland sooner or later? and they don’t understand that Warsaw’s own country is threatening the security of their country, increasing military-political cooperation with the United States and participating in promoting NATO infrastructure to the borders of Russia.
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  1. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 14 January 2020 11: 22
    -6
    I can imagine how frightened the Americans are! laughing
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 14 January 2020 11: 28
      +10
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      I can imagine how frightened the Americans are! laughing

      And why should mattresses be afraid? Except for the Base in Europe. Not for them Iskander (in which case) will bear light and heat.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 14 January 2020 16: 26
        +1
        Quote: Hunter 2
        And why should mattresses be afraid? Except for the Base in Europe. Not for them Iskander (in which case) will bear light and heat.

        Well, when the modernized "grounded" Caliber comes with a range of 4,5 thousand km, then the squeal will be in Europe, just cover your ears. But mattresses, too, may not be very fun to become, since no one canceled the routes of our CDs through Alaska.
      2. Stalllker
        Stalllker 15 January 2020 15: 33
        0
        On his part it was sarcasm
    2. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 14 January 2020 11: 39
      +1
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      I can imagine how frightened the Americans are! laughing

      Me too laughing
    3. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 14 January 2020 11: 45
      0
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      I can imagine how frightened the Americans are!

      Why should they be scared? Indeed, the title of the article clearly states:
      Contingency case
      yes
      1. Invoce
        Invoce 14 January 2020 12: 59
        -1
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        According to the observer, if the Iskander-M missile was able to fly more than 600 km from the launch site, this indicates that it was originally designed for a range of more than 500 km. Meanwhile, the INF Treaty prohibited the development of ground-based missiles with such a flight range. At the same time, the Polish expert emphasized that previously it was repeatedly said about the possible increase in the firing range of the Iskanders through the use of new generation rocket fuel. And it was the fuel modernization that could lead to an increase in the range of missiles 1,5-2 times.

        laughing something tells me that this "emergency" event was organized specifically ... so that the sworn partners sweat a little with cold sweat ...
        1. Siberian 66
          Siberian 66 14 January 2020 13: 08
          0
          something tells me that this "emergency" event was organized specifically ... so that the sworn partners sweat a little with cold sweat ...
          And in front of the whole world they showed that we should never be trusted, that the Americans were right in pointing a finger at us and we are not observing the agreements?
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 14 January 2020 21: 41
            +2
            "According to preliminary data of the joint Kazakh-Russian commission, the wreckage of the rocket found in the Aktobe region is identified as a geophysical rocket aimed at studying the upper atmosphere." wink hi
          2. Hermit21
            Hermit21 15 January 2020 08: 32
            0
            What treaties does Russia not comply with?
    4. svp67
      svp67 14 January 2020 11: 51
      +5
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      I can imagine how frightened the Americans are!

      How? A missile with a range of 600, even 1600 km is "conditionally dangerous" for them.
      Once again I am amazed at the inertia of our RF Defense Ministry. Well, really it was impossible to immediately declare that the TESTS of the rocket with the index Р -......- M2 were carried out. And that's all. As a result of the tests, something went wrong. And in the current situation, this is just an extra trump card for our "foreign partners"
      1. ultra
        ultra 14 January 2020 12: 24
        +3
        Quote: svp67
        ... And in the current situation, this is just an extra trump card for our "foreign partners"

        They have already withdrawn from the INF Treaty.
        1. svp67
          svp67 14 January 2020 12: 28
          +2
          Quote: ultra
          They have already withdrawn from the INF Treaty.

          Yes. But without such explanations, they can now state and are already declaring that they were right, since Russia had secretly violated it for a long time
          1. ultra
            ultra 14 January 2020 14: 30
            +2
            They left the ABM Treaty without explanation at all, what they babbled upon exiting, for good reason, it doesn’t work at all.
    5. sinoptic
      sinoptic 15 January 2020 08: 09
      +2
      The Poles were very upset, because the rocket did not fall on their territory.
      Oh! What a grand occasion it would be cool to stomp all over Europe!
  2. Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 14 January 2020 11: 23
    +7
    Just so in time there was a "freelance" situation! feel
    We are waiting for the next "abnormal" launch ... for 1 thousand km! bully
    1. parma
      parma 14 January 2020 14: 18
      -9
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Just so in time there was a "freelance" situation! feel
      We are waiting for the next "abnormal" launch ... for 1 thousand km! bully

      What for? Not only did we show the whole world with this accident how we fulfilled the terms of the INF Treaty? ... oh, those hot Uryakol heads ....
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 14 January 2020 16: 58
        +3
        Quote: parma
        Little we all over the world showed this accident

        laughing laughing laughing And nothing that the tests were already taking place AFTER the notorious contract was closed on someone's (I wonder, whose) "reasonable" initiative?
        Thus, the question is closed, and all the dissatisfied go to the forest. yes
        1. parma
          parma 14 January 2020 22: 02
          +1
          Quote: Paranoid50
          Quote: parma
          Little we all over the world showed this accident

          laughing laughing laughing And nothing that the tests were already taking place AFTER the notorious contract was closed on someone's (I wonder, whose) "reasonable" initiative?
          Thus, the question is closed, and all the dissatisfied go to the forest. yes

          Only now it was a rocket in a modification of the developed and accepted on duty BEFORE the termination of the contract (it was about this rocket that they spoke of as violating the terms of the contract even under Obama)
          1. Hermit21
            Hermit21 15 January 2020 08: 37
            0
            Firstly, it’s 9M723, not 9M729, which the Americans clung to. Secondly, the development and even deployment of missiles, potentially violating the contract and having reserves in range was not prohibited. Was a violation only physical launch at a range of over 500 km. There were none - the contract was not violated
            1. parma
              parma 15 January 2020 09: 04
              0
              Quote: Hermit21
              Firstly, it’s 9M723, not 9M729, which the Americans clung to. Secondly, the development and even deployment of missiles, potentially violating the contract and having reserves in range was not prohibited. Was a violation only physical launch at a range of over 500 km. There were none - the contract was not violated

              True, our Defense Ministry argued that this was basically impossible, but ok ... True, our accusations of placing the missile defense system in containers capable of using the ground version of the "ax" (by the way, long sawn and absent in nature for 30 years) looks far-fetched .. ..
              1. Hermit21
                Hermit21 15 January 2020 09: 48
                0
                When claimed? What is impossible?
                1. parma
                  parma 15 January 2020 11: 02
                  0
                  Do you know Matveevsky Mikhail Mikhailovich? So a year ago (in the middle of January) I gathered a whole press conference at which he said that the new version of the rocket became less long-range (10 km, a total of 480 km) ....
                  1. Hermit21
                    Hermit21 15 January 2020 15: 39
                    0
                    The press conference was about 9M729. Fell 9M723. Where is the connection?
    2. Chaldon48
      Chaldon48 14 January 2020 14: 38
      +1
      A "dagger" launched from a great height may well fly even 1 thousand km, but why?
      1. Hermit21
        Hermit21 15 January 2020 09: 50
        +1
        He flies 2 thousand. And 9M723 can be boosted up to 1000 with SBCH. With a strong desire and up to 2000, however, the accuracy will be from the category "not to Montmantre, but to Montparnasse"
  3. bessmertniy
    bessmertniy 14 January 2020 11: 33
    +6
    For Poland not to be afraid of Iskander, she just needs to be a neutral country.
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 14 January 2020 12: 02
      +1
      Quote: bessmertniy
      For Poland not to be afraid of Iskander, she just needs to be a neutral country.

      Russophobia for Poland is a profitable business, both domestically and abroad.
    2. Karaul73
      Karaul73 14 January 2020 14: 10
      -5
      Ukraine was already a non-aligned state with guarantees of the inviolability of borders, including Russian ones. And what helped? The Poles, seeing this with all their might, are arming themselves.
      1. akarfoxhound
        akarfoxhound 15 January 2020 12: 37
        0
        In a non-aligned country with originally Russophobic domestic and foreign policies, how was this supposed to help ???
        P.S. just do not load in response that anti-Russian d-mo in Ukraine suddenly surfaced only and suddenly in March 2014. I did not observe this "progress" from the "newspapers".
    3. sinoptic
      sinoptic 15 January 2020 08: 15
      +1
      History shows that they will never be neutral.
      Either from mine to the sea (move Germany and Russia), or their country will simply disappear (as it was already 3 times). I hope for the fourth time that the powers that be have the wisdom not to reassemble this smelly toilet. Let them scatter around the world and collect strawberries on the sunny plantations of Israel or Uzbekistan.
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 15 January 2020 11: 16
        +1
        and collect strawberries on sunny plantations of Israel or Uzbekistan
        Rather Canada and New Zealand
  4. The popuas
    The popuas 14 January 2020 11: 34
    -5
    Poles can also be understood, a 300km rocket suddenly after breaking the agreement between the USA and the Russian Federation flew 600 ... Americans did not speak in vain about it!
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 14 January 2020 11: 39
      +3
      Quote: Popuas
      Poles can also be understood, a 300km rocket suddenly after breaking the agreement between the USA and the Russian Federation flew 600 ... Americans did not speak in vain about it!

      At 500, not 300
    2. Finn
      Finn 14 January 2020 11: 50
      0
      They simply understood that the coverage could even triple.
    3. Den717
      Den717 14 January 2020 14: 00
      0
      Quote: Popuas
      The Americans did not speak in vain about her!

      And exactly about her?
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 14 January 2020 11: 35
    +1
    It’s clear with the Poles, there the zealous Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth leaped ... and to cover all the minke whale bases in the geyropa, if anything, will not be superfluous.
  6. Grossvater
    Grossvater 14 January 2020 11: 46
    +1
    Well ... They’re afraid of the path, if they don’t understand otherwise.
  7. Barmaleyka
    Barmaleyka 14 January 2020 11: 51
    0
    Polish military expert Maksymilian Dura has published an article accusing Russia of violating the recently terminated Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range and Shorter-Range Missiles.
    like until spring another month and a half, and the exacerbation of psychos has already begun
    how can you break the terminated contract? !!!
  8. Sergei 777
    Sergei 777 14 January 2020 11: 54
    +3
    The fact that the Iskander m ballistic missile can fly to a range of 650-700km is now obvious to everyone. Apparently, the complex was created taking into account the increase in the launch range without replacing the launchers and tmz.
    1. Karaul73
      Karaul73 14 January 2020 14: 20
      -4
      So the states were right in their fears and allegations of violation of the treaty by Russia? Then what kind of trust in the country's leadership can we talk?
      1. Sergei 777
        Sergei 777 14 January 2020 16: 17
        0
        Everyone always lies to everyone. Policy.
        1. Berber
          Berber 14 January 2020 16: 42
          0
          Sound speech in a stream of "chatter". good
      2. Tektor
        Tektor 14 January 2020 18: 34
        +1
        It's just that neither this Pole, nor you, Karaul73, know what was written in the INF Treaty. There it was said in black and white that the term "range" of the missile complex means "the maximum range that the missile showed during testing" ... Once again, if the Iskander missile was never launched at a distance of more than 480 km during tests, then it fully corresponded agreement. Dot. Any missile, even if it is capable of covering 3000 km, but it was not tested further than 499 km with a ground launcher, then it fit into the INF Treaty.
        And now they just tested the missile at the maximum range, and it exceeded 650 km. That's all.
      3. cradle
        cradle 15 January 2020 08: 09
        -2
        and we do not care what the mattresses say. We will do with our missiles WHAT we want and HOW we want. And not a decree for us either matration or even more so psheki. Are you afraid? So it’s very good, the bear is so that mongrel was afraid of him. Moreover, the mattresses themselves were ready to exit the INF Treaty ... we are even.
      4. sinoptic
        sinoptic 15 January 2020 08: 22
        0
        Quote: Sentry73
        So the states were right in their fears and allegations of violation of the treaty by Russia? Then what kind of trust in the country's leadership can we talk?

        You are a naive person, you think the Americans do not lie! Their lies are elevated to the rank of national politics. For example, with a huge number of beggars, they are the richest and most prosperous nation. We at least recognize this problem.
        You just separate: Americans lie to HARM, and ours lie to USE. The choice is yours.
  9. 7,62x54
    7,62x54 14 January 2020 12: 02
    +1
    Pshek burns, and it's not bad
  10. bars1
    bars1 14 January 2020 12: 02
    +5
    Most likely there was a launch of a conventional serial missile. But due to a malfunction (the rocket did not maneuver), it flew so far and fell for LIMITS ALLOWED zones. And there is nothing to build all sorts of conspiracy theories here. Banal marriage of the manufacturer.
  11. Ros 56
    Ros 56 14 January 2020 12: 44
    0
    Dura (k) he is in Africa Dura (k), well, how can you break the canceled Agreement, which is simply not there?
    Well, and the range of the rocket causes only positive emotions.
  12. Usher
    Usher 14 January 2020 12: 53
    0
    Some kind of fools divorced from reality on Polish forums, judging by the article.
  13. Operator
    Operator 14 January 2020 13: 07
    +7
    Poland is a country where land launchers of American medium-range cruise missiles were deployed (in violation of the INF Treaty in force at that time), therefore military facilities on its territory, including control and communication centers in Warsaw, should be destroyed in the very first minutes of a nuclear conflict , which is what Iskander-M is intended for.

    Therefore, Poles so hysteria.
  14. Jarserge
    Jarserge 14 January 2020 13: 24
    +1
    The psheks were in vain when the Iskanders fly from the Kaliningrad region to them the pshek will no longer have time for them .... The pants should be washed ...
    1. cradle
      cradle 15 January 2020 08: 10
      0
      let them have time to pray, the pants just do not wipe.
  15. Aliken
    Aliken 14 January 2020 13: 51
    0
    Fine. Let them live in fear, tremble.
  16. andr327
    andr327 14 January 2020 14: 23
    -1
    If the TTX says that the missile range is 480 km, then this type of missile from any series and batch is guaranteed to fly off at 480 km. And the military, when planning combat use, counts only on this range.
    If the car has a maximum speed of 165 km, then who will guarantee that it will not accelerate to 175 km / h.
    1. alstr
      alstr 14 January 2020 16: 53
      +2
      Specify. The flight range of a rocket is the range at which the rocket will fulfill its task with a given probability, i.e. will hit the target with a given circular deviation (or whatever scientific).

      This applies to ALL weapons. For example, even ordinary art systems can increase the range (though terrible frills, but possible).
  17. Yuri T.
    Yuri T. 14 January 2020 14: 25
    0
    None of the knowledgeable ones will tell you, in the Strategic Missile Forces they are planting remotes for conscripts? Or just staffing?
    1. andr327
      andr327 14 January 2020 17: 25
      0
      For the remote control of what?
      In the Strategic Missile Forces there are many different consoles: communications, security, power supply, boiler rooms, etc.
      1. region58
        region58 14 January 2020 18: 28
        +3
        Quote: andr327
        many different remotes: communication, security

        ... from the TV ... wassat
      2. Yuri T.
        Yuri T. 15 January 2020 12: 14
        0
        Yes, sorry for not accuracy, of course we are talking about the silo command posts.
    2. cradle
      cradle 15 January 2020 08: 11
      0
      at least a stupid question ...
      1. Yuri T.
        Yuri T. 15 January 2020 12: 11
        0
        And no less "elegant" answer, apparently, at least from the "higher mind". I beg your pardon, Your Grace, I did not address you directly, you shouldn’t have bothered yourself so much with answers to such Untermensch as me. I ask you not to be distracted from your important affairs. Continue to reign and keep your sacred knowledge, without considering and paying attention to what I have written.
        1. cradle
          cradle 16 January 2020 04: 35
          0
          it’s not worth it to crumble in courtesies ... it is worth scratching your brain.
          1. Yuri T.
            Yuri T. 16 January 2020 13: 21
            0
            -Do not be rude to people, based on their "exclusivity". Moreover, completely unfamiliar.
            - you shouldn't give advice and share your "wisdom" where they don't ask. Moreover, if he was already frankly sent.
            PS better put your brains in a heap, otherwise the result of their activity is depressing and the branch will get dirty.
    3. Sergei 777
      Sergei 777 15 January 2020 09: 18
      0
      Conscripts in the Strategic Missile Forces is a slave force, sweep, load, unload. Well, maximum guard duty.
      And on duty of the regiment there is a shift on duty and these are officers.
      1. Yuri T.
        Yuri T. 15 January 2020 12: 03
        0
        Quote: Sergey 777
        Conscripts in the Strategic Missile Forces is a slave force, sweep, load, unload. Well, maximum guard duty.
        And on duty of the regiment there is a shift on duty and these are officers.

        He also always thought so, but here a person claims that they are also on duty on duty, directly at the launchers.
    4. ABM
      ABM 15 January 2020 18: 18
      0
      This missile is not a Strategic Missile Forces, refers to the missile forces and artillery (RViA). I don’t know how it is now, before computer operators and (they) commanders of data preparation departments were sergeants - conscripts
      1. Yuri T.
        Yuri T. 15 January 2020 18: 36
        +1
        Thanks. The question was irrelevant to the topic of the article. Just "adjacent", so to speak.
        Quote: ABM
        This missile is not a Strategic Missile Forces, refers to the missile forces and artillery (RViA).

        - Probably, now, after the cancellation of the RMSD, and just taking into account the topic of the article, this is not so unambiguous. smile
  18. alex-sherbakov48
    alex-sherbakov48 14 January 2020 14: 54
    0
    Our mass media need to more persistently and more profitably bring to the attention of these psheks that their fate depends entirely on the leadership of their country, which deploy American bases on its territory, which, in the event of a conflict with the United States, will be destroyed by our missiles, including and with nuclear weapons. Therefore, in order for the Poles to be calm about their fate and their children, they must take to the streets with protests against the presence of American or other foreign bases on their territory.
  19. Dizel200
    Dizel200 14 January 2020 15: 32
    0
    And why the Psheks will destroy, the USA will protect, probably)))))) Or they thought that you can do everything with impunity
  20. frizzy
    frizzy 14 January 2020 17: 09
    -2
    Yes - we are Asians !!!. Wait will be soon !!!
  21. Boozer
    Boozer 14 January 2020 18: 05
    +1
    It was a geophysical rocket. There is an official communique of the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan
  22. Pecheneg
    Pecheneg 15 January 2020 09: 04
    0
    According to preliminary data of the joint Kazakh-Russian commission, rocket fragments found in the Aktobe region are identified as a geophysical rocket aimed at studying the upper atmosphere.

    At the place of the fall, measurements of the radiation background were carried out, soil samples and precipitation in the form of snow were taken.

    The wreckage does not pose a threat to either the environment or the residents of the Aktobe region. The dose rate of gamma radiation does not exceed the natural radiation background of the area. We also inform you that the information in the Russian media with reference to social networks that the wreckage of the rocket belongs to the Iskander-M rocket does not find confirmation, the statement said.
  23. Dmitry Makarov
    Dmitry Makarov 15 January 2020 09: 14
    0
    "Iskander" is finished with a high-precision weapon, and can fly into the window, but in this case it will fly immediately into an all-Megaton strike and thermonuclear glow.
  24. arnulla
    arnulla 15 January 2020 10: 06
    0
    There is no contract anymore, so psheks can be a forest ..
  25. Revolver
    Revolver 15 January 2020 11: 28
    0
    Oh, Russia divided Poland with Hitler? And who shared Czechoslovakia with Hitler? Who constantly and not even very subtly hinted to Hitler that he would be happy to take part in the German campaign against the USSR, and for this he wants nothing at all - Ukraine? And the fact that the lands "seized" by Stalin according to Curzon's plan were to go to the USSR, but Poland, taking advantage of the civil war, slaughtered them for itself, how is that?
  26. Igor Dvornikov
    Igor Dvornikov 15 January 2020 13: 31
    -1
    Who needs a country not buying Russian gas? Do they themselves understand the futility of their existence?
  27. Stalllker
    Stalllker 15 January 2020 15: 34
    +1
    It’s easy to explain, strong gusts of wind) they need to roll out such an explanation
  28. Prisoner
    Prisoner 15 January 2020 17: 07
    0
    Let them worry. We are not their own mother to take care of their peace.
  29. Pavel57
    Pavel57 16 January 2020 10: 23
    0
    Insidious Russia - violated the INF Treaty, the pact with Germany and Asians in general.