The first IL-96-400M flight prototype was handed over to the final assembly workshop

The first flight prototype IL-96-400M in the final assembly workshop

The first flight prototype of the promising IL-96-400M aircraft was handed over to the final assembly workshop of the Voronezh Aircraft Plant (VASO). Currently, the docking of the fuselage and wing consoles is completed. The next step is the installation of aircraft control systems and the installation of the interior. This was reported by the press service of the UAC.

Work on the program for creating a new IL-96-400M passenger aircraft is on schedule. The production of the prototype is planned to be completed by the end of the year. After that, he will be transferred for ground and flight tests. The first flight of the IL-96-400M is scheduled for 2021

- said the head of the Transport Division aviation UAC, General Director of PJSC Il Yuri Grudinin.

The completion of the slipway assembly and the transfer of the first flight model of the newest aircraft to the final assembly workshop was reported in the second half of September last year.

As previously reported, the wide-body aircraft IL-96-400M is created on the basis of the serial IL-96 completely from Russian components. Compared to its predecessor, the new aircraft has a longer elongated fuselage and new more powerful PS-90A1 engines instead of the PS-90A. The passenger cabin of a promising aircraft can be produced in three basic versions: three-class and two-class layout for 305 and 350 seats, respectively; a charter option in a single-class version with 402 seats is also possible.

According to the developers, in many ways, including cost-effectiveness, reliability and safety, the IL-96-400M will be compared with the best Western counterparts.

Comments

[Vladimir_2U]

Here is a naturally long-awaited bird!

[Victor_B]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Here is a naturally long-awaited bird!

Is there a non-couch specialist (like me) on the site who can comment on whether he is able to compete with Bobiks and Watermelons in his class?
At least in the sky of Russia.
Still, quite an age design ...

[Vladimir_2U]

Even if we discard the technical parameters, it’s just for political reasons that they simply won’t give it! Only the domestic market.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Even if we discard the technical parameters, it’s just for political reasons that they simply won’t give it! Only the domestic market.

The CIS domestic market is enough to load VASO for years to come.

[Nasrat]

Quote: Stroporez

The CIS domestic market is enough to load VASO for years to come.

Are there settlements and agreed papers with CIS countries? Do not languish, lay them out ...
I don’t have anything against the plane, but your statement is most likely unfounded ... if you have documents and financial calculations, I will apologize!
Which CIS countries do you think are ready to queue for this aircraft?
I’m just wondering, just like that, once all the CIS countries will suddenly buy this particular plane ....

[Kamikaze19]

Flights Moscow to Vladik Petropavlovsk Kamchatsky Irkutsk they need

[Nasrat]

Quote: Kamikadze19

Flights Moscow to Vladik Petropavlovsk Kamchatsky Irkutsk they need

I agree, but these are not CIS countries ... this is Russia ... the discussion above was about the CIS - so which CIS countries are ready to take this plane now?

[Errr]

Quote: Nasr

Quote: Kamikadze19

Flights Moscow to Vladik Petropavlovsk Kamchatsky Irkutsk they need

I agree, but these are not CIS countries ... this is Russia ... the discussion above was about the CIS - so which CIS countries are ready to take this plane now?

Cubans take it. It’s a pity, of course, that they are not in the CIS.

[Fan-fan]

I think many will take it, Iran will take it, since the plane is promised to be 100% from native components. It’s a pity that the authorities don’t help Eli. After all, the country has experienced civilian "firms" Tu, Yak and Il, and someone needed to create a new one - MS-21, Superjet, why? To cut money? In my opinion, the power or narrow-minded or "selfish" interest outweighed everything else.

[gregoryivanov]

Taki - yes. But with such a pace of production, one at a time, you don't run into a lot ...

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Nasr

Are settlements and agreed papers with CIS countries? Do not languish, lay them out ...
I don’t have anything against the plane, but your statement is most likely unfounded ..

Firstly, there is still no production aircraft, and secondly, even if the CIS countries do not purchase this aircraft, the domestic market of the Russian Federation is enough to replace Boeing and watermelons.
I hope, Eulampius, is that clear?

[Nasrat]

Quote: Stroporez

Quote: Nasr

Are settlements and agreed papers with CIS countries? Do not languish, lay them out ...
I don’t have anything against the plane, but your statement is most likely unfounded ..

Firstly, there is still no production aircraft, and secondly, even if the CIS countries do not purchase this aircraft, the domestic market of the Russian Federation is enough to replace Boeing and watermelons.
I hope, Eulampius, is that clear?

So say it, for Russia. otherwise your bonnets flew up, but it wasn’t a salute ...
A man should not grind his tongue, which is not falling ..

[kjhg]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Even if you discard the technical parameters

Why then immediately discard the technical parameters and transfer everything to the political plane? Just in technical parameters, it is not a competitor to modern long-haul aircraft. There is not a single competitive advantage of the new-old Sil in comparison with its competitors. First: it is a four-engine. The era of four-engine aircraft is a thing of the past. Secondly: on the IL-96-400 3 crew members! This is no good.
But you need to release it for yourself! You must not lose the experience in the production of long-range aircraft. Times, as well as the power, will someday change and then our grandchildren will thank us for keeping this.

[Vladimir_2U]

Well, good))) without even discarding the technical parameters, what if this aircraft will cost twice as much as three times cheaper than its counterparts? Purely academic interest? Will they buy such an aircraft, albeit with less fuel efficiency? Yes, they will not risk dumping, and if they do, they will not allow buying, and this is a pure policy.

Quote: kjhg

But you need to release it for yourself!

For all 100 I agree with you.

[kjhg]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

what if this plane will cost twice as much as three times cheaper than its counterparts?

It will cost more than analogues. The production of piece systems costs many times more than their mass, mass production. This is a clean economy. And, besides, we do not have a developed system of air leasing.

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Will they buy such a plane

Buy airline Russia. Even Aeroflot would never let him in.
Now our aircraft designers, together with the Chinese, are developing a wide-body long-range aircraft. It was preliminary agreed that it will be assembled in China.

[vanavatny]

which means it will be Chinese, the rest is talk about friendship ...

[Fan-fan]

And if the sanctions are also extended to airplanes, what will we fly on? Therefore, it is necessary to do it, as one’s own, even if it turns out to be more expensive. Well, these are the same jobs, and Putin has long threatened to create jobs in Russia.

[tomket]

Quote: kjhg

Secondly: on the IL-96-400 3 crew members! This is no good

Actually, after the German kamikaze pilot, the question of the need for a third crew member was raised.

[loki565]

It seems like an instruction now, if one of the pilots leaves, then a senior flight attendant should go into the cockpit

[Grits]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Even if we discard the technical parameters, it’s just for political reasons that they simply won’t give it! Only the domestic market.

We and the internal lines of work are endless.

[bessmertniy]

It would be cool if this Il could press the Boeing, etc.

[FenH]

Quote: bessmertniy

It would be cool if this Il could press the Boeing, etc.

Until there are normal twin-engine aircraft, there is no chance, unfortunately

[kapitan92]

Quote: FenH

Until there are normal twin-engine aircraft, there is no chance, unfortunately

There will be PD 35, there will be a twin-engine IL 96 - 400.

twin-engine IL-96 with PD-35 engines may appear in 2025.

“As far as I know, there is already a specific task, this is the year 2025. The first anchor customer - the president’s affairs, twin-engine IL-96, by this time we are pulling the engine

(General Designer of JSC UEC-Aviadvigatel Alexander Inozemtsev.)

[FenH]

Quote: kapitan92

Quote: FenH

Until there are normal twin-engine aircraft, there is no chance, unfortunately

There will be PD 35, there will be a twin-engine IL 96 - 400.

twin-engine IL-96 with PD-35 engines may appear in 2025.

“As far as I know, there is already a specific task, this is the year 2025. The first anchor customer - the president’s affairs, twin-engine IL-96, by this time we are pulling the engine

(General Designer of JSC UEC-Aviadvigatel Alexander Inozemtsev.)

The tale about the PD-35 has been going on since 2016, and the PD-14 has not been certified, on the basis of which, the PD-35 is being developed, plus new engines, new calculations for the aircraft, otherwise it will be like a Boeing. When this aircraft appears, it’s not it’s known, but as one of the great wrote: At this wonderful time, neither you nor I live

[Genry]

Quote: FenH

PD-14 has not yet been certified, on the basis of which PD-35 is being developed

Nonsense!
Creation of PD-14 is completed. The engine has received type certification.
https://pikabu.ru/story/sozdanie_pd14_zaversheno_dvigatel_poluchil_sertifikat_tipa_6224661

[FenH]

Quote: Genry

Quote: FenH

PD-14 has not yet been certified, on the basis of which PD-35 is being developed

Nonsense!
Creation of PD-14 is completed. The engine has received type certification.
https://pikabu.ru/story/sozdanie_pd14_zaversheno_dvigatel_poluchil_sertifikat_tipa_6224661

Russian, not international
The next stage of the project will be the validation of the certificate by the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA), which is planned on 2019 year.
and she was not

[Genry]

Quote: FenH

Russian, not international

International certification, as well as domestic certification, is a continuous process for various operating conditions and changing requirements.
Basic is only a type certificate.

[FenH]

Quote: Genry

Quote: FenH

Russian, not international

International certification, as well as domestic certification, is a continuous process for various operating conditions and changing requirements.
Basic is only a type certificate.

Without EASA certificate validation, the European market is closed
The Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation has announced a tender for the performance of work to improve the performance of the PD-14 engine, which will be installed on MS-21 aircraft, for its certification by the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA). This was reported by Interfax-AVN.

The list of works of the contractor, according to the procurement materials, is the removal of the operational restrictions of the PD-14, the completion of "strength refinement to ensure an increase in the resource and reliability" and, as a result, - EASA type certificate validation required to promote the MS-21 to the international market.

All work must be completed before 15 декабря 2021 года... The maximum contract value is 12,28 billion rubles. Financing will be provided by the state budget and "off-budget" sources (which ones are not specified) in the proportion of 50% to 50%.

[Genry]

Quote: FenH

The Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation announced a competition to improve the performance of the PD-14 engine, which will be installed on MS-21 aircraft, for its certification by the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA).

What's the problem?
This is just one special case. He will be certified there thousands more times under various articles. Design improvements will occur throughout the engine's life cycle ...

[ioan-e]

Quote: FenH

Quote: bessmertniy

It would be cool if this Il could press the Boeing, etc.

Until there are normal twin-engine aircraft, there is no chance, unfortunately

As long as there are no normal engines, normal protective duties on the import of imported aircraft will help, in any case, the Americans would have done so! Yes, in fact, they did just that in the 19th century on imported industrial goods, therefore the north rose industrially, and then the agrarian south thundered, which believed that it could live off the export of cotton and other goods, and what should be bought in the former metropolis.

[Samaritan]

And in the case of PD-14, in addition to being a real engine, it is an incredibly cheap engine, including maintenance.

Therefore, some statements about the mythical PD-35, considered hasty, and conclusions from the category of OBS.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Victor_B

Is there a non-couch specialist (like me) on the site who can comment on whether he is able to compete with Bobiks and Watermelons in his class?

All of them either left the site or in the bathhouse.
The SSI could have voiced everything, he is one of the developers of the 96th machine, a couple of years ago he served them in Cuba.

[Nasrat]

Quote: Stroporez

All of them either left the site or in the bathhouse.

Most of the specialists left the site, due to the demise of the site from the technical component to the political ... or rather to the populist .... articles on VO became more than military equipment than what you were waiting for - the specialists left ...

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Nasr

Quote: Stroporez

All of them either left the site or in the bathhouse.

Most of the specialists left the site, due to the demise of the site from the technical component to the political ... or rather to the populist .... articles on VO became more than military equipment than what you were waiting for - the specialists left ...

I agree.

[Bshkaus]

Most of the specialists left the site, due to the descent of the site from the technical to the political component.

Do you read the military-industrial complex newspaper? I also used to wonder why the editor-in-chief left for the new year a couple of years ago, but now I understand ... At work, I still write it out from old memory to the department, but I haven’t read it for a long time; The rest is "What is there in the Ukraine?", The USSR and again ABOUT STALIN, and once a month about the Great Patriotic War, so that the people would not relax.
The rest, sometimes even with a pen I correct the errors of logical judgments, although the brain is not needed for agitation.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

I would say more articles about Putin. For local "true patriots" he became an idol no less than among the most generous Ukrainians.

[knn54]

It’s hard to compete with the West. Asia may be quite interested. Moreover, in China ShFDMS - wide-body long-range aircraft only in the project.

[KCA]

He will not compete with anyone, there will be two customers - the Rossiya airline and the Ministry of Defense

[kepmor]

yes, right ... what the hell is competition with payback ... and so it will go ... the country is "rich" ... a lot of money ..
we will rivet a rarity board at the price of TU-160 apiece ... not the first time after all ...

[KCA]

This is initially not a commercial product, but import substitution for top officials of the state and the Moscow Region, or should they fly in Boeing with Watermelons? That they can just turn off in flight, airplanes, not the first persons, although the result is the same

[Edik]

Quote: kepmor

yes, right ... what the hell is competition with payback ... and so it will go ... the country is "rich" ... a lot of money ..
we will rivet a rarity board at the price of TU-160 apiece ... not the first time after all ...

Yes, this board is uncompetitive! Do you have other ideas?
I think it’s better to fly on your own not very cost-effective than on others, having lost their own production!
For us, the question rested on the engines, the money went to development back in 2008! Since local airlines do not want to buy, it means we need to make it "profitable" for them!

[Piramidon]

Quote: KCA

He will not compete with anyone, there will be two customers - the Rossiya airline and the Ministry of Defense

Maybe Aeroflot will be bent over and forced. All the same, the state has a controlling stake.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Victor_B

Is there a non-couch specialist (like me) on the site who can comment on whether he is able to compete with Bobiks and Watermelons in his class?
At least in the sky of Russia.

I’m also a couch specialist, but I’ll notice that as long as our IL is 4-motor, there can be no question of any competition with bobiks and watermelons.

[Genry]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

while our IL will be 4-motor, there can be no question of any competition with bobiks and watermelons.

2 engines or 4 was important on the dimension of a Boeing 737.
A further increase in aircraft and engines necessitates the use of gear motors, which reduces the overhaul period by several times. Engine repair itself is complicated or impossible in an airport and in production it has a higher unit cost. In addition, due to the large size and mass, if necessary, the transportation of such an engine requires the involvement of large aircraft like An-124 (which Volga-Dnepr was engaged in), which leads to increased costs.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Victor_B

Still, quite an age-old design ..

As for the age, the Americans are resuming the production of the old man "Hercules", so it's relative. And on the issue of competition and security, the Russian government squadron operates this model and is excellent. For Russia, the plane itself.

[Beringovsky]

Is there a non-sofa (like me) specialist on the site?

They all fled from here for a long time. Previously, yes.

Is he able to compete with Bobiks and Watermelons in his class?

Under equal conditions, no, not even in Russia. Need government policy to support.
But I'm afraid that this is another PR project. Do people want domestic aircraft industry? Please get it. Here is a prototype! Then we test for a long time and with fanfare, with foam we tell about it from each iron, then we quietly cover everything. There are many examples.

[Samaritan]

At the current stage of production, it is planned to use four PS-90A1 engines, however, sooner or later, such a design idea will have to be abandoned.
The option of a twin-engine installation with new domestic PD-35 is also being considered. It is expected that they will reduce fuel consumption by 12-15%. If the number of engines is reduced, the costs of their maintenance and repair will also decrease, which may also affect the attractiveness of the IL-96-400M for the customer.

BUT: PD-35 does not exist. Yes, and the project becomes obsolete every day. You can build any plans, but this is not an option for remotorization. And another motor in the Russian Federation NO!
For SLO, for example, proven and reliable engines are more relevant than mythical savings after 20 years of operation of the side. Therefore, the IL-96-400M will go aboard number one, which causes no objection. Yes, and it is doubtful for two or three boards a year to develop a new engine, China is only interested in its engine.

There is no need for a maximum weight of IL-96 of 270 tons, these are just the maximum capabilities for highly specialized purposes.

IL-96-400M in commercial design is sufficient PD-14, and for the Arctic Ocean and the RF Ministry of Defense PS-90A, as an opportunity to perform the task in case of failure of one engine, the loss of traction of one engine will be compensated by the maximum modes of three engines.
And in the case of PD-14, in addition to being a real engine, it is an incredibly cheap engine, including maintenance.
Therefore, some statements about the mythical PD-35, considered hasty, and conclusions from the category of OBS.
So wait and see!

[antivirus]

yes, another spoon ..
"-" I'm waiting

[NEXUS]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Here is a naturally long-awaited bird!

Which we need not one, or even five. But the point is to squeeze out watermelons and loaves from our at least heaven. But something our airlines, I think they will not rush into the queue for him, even if he is in many ways better than the European and the mattress.

[Sling cutter]

As far as I remember, there were three planes "at the wall" on VASO, they wanted to make transport workers from them.
Skororokhov is most likely aware of this topic, he is also local.
And the name of the director is an interesting general director of PJSC "Il" Yuri Grudinin., Somewhere I heard her)))

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Stroporez

Director of PJSC "Il" Yuri Grudinin., somewhere I heard her

No, that one over strawberries. )))

[Genry]

Quote: Stroporez

on VASO there were three planes "at the wall", they wanted to make transport workers from them.

No one makes low-level transport workers. Trucks are easy.
And the planes really wanted to adapt the MO as tankers, then changed their minds.

[rocket757]

And the dotted lines sho, the "sterile zone" is marked?

[Vladimir_2U]

More likely precautionary, for safe movement of overall details. But these are my speculations.

[vanavatny]

idiocy, when the largest country in the world does not have its own aircraft of this class and western partners can spoil at any time, and it doesn’t matter how worse it is or better than foreign ones if we don’t want to be offered at any time, for example , to walk on the Far East on bear shit, then you need to do it until you have finally finished off the aircraft industry, and the state just needs to, to convince domestic carriers, the widest set of tools for this would be a state approach, and not gagging about market freedom, etc.

[L-39NG]

"The economy must be economical."
It is possible, of course, to "convince" domestic carriers, but. They, these carriers, will either go bankrupt, or everything will be nationalized and air travel will not be affordable for the general population, or the state will finance its only airline. We'll have to take it from the budget. If you have money. But the money will have to be returned to the budget and again at the expense of passengers or new taxes. This will be the price of "persuasion."

[vanavatny]

all these questions to effective managers who have scored this whole vertical, to the heirs of the end of the guide who suggested killing the aircraft industry (we’ll buy Boeing), to those who buried all Soviet developments by rolling out a superjet in return ... questions to impotent managers who can only eat and give everything to the market ... there are engineers, there is money, but no, the old rotten song is alive: the Boeing is better, we can’t go where we are backward ... the road will go on, a country twice from a century out of nothing, from ruins and the ashes created what was required, and here people are also production, but there is no nagging and misunderstanding of the vital necessity of such a machine. and enough are afraid of the terrible word ,, nationalization ,, if necessary, create a state carrier on domestic aircraft for your country, there are a lot of tools ... good luck to VASO, that's where you need to give money, not football and senseless reforms for the sake of reforms, production should live , people have to work, there will be a will — there will be new engines and everything else, now you need to at least not lose what is left, and as for the economy, now, without subsidies, the hell will fly apart with our income and distances. top management of the three largest companies in the country led by ,, national treasure, ”he devoured more in a year than was allocated for scientific research - effectively, hell ...

[Korg]

Do not forget that already 2020, which means that the average family of 3 people has an apartment of 100 square meters. meters + the average salary in the country - 2700 $ US. So to pay for the uneconomical flights of a future that doesn’t have a flight equivalent to an airplane - it will cost almost the price of a cup of coffee before a flight. Calm down already with this economy, in the country of fuel - above the roof at ridiculous prices, and therefore, an airplane of any gluttony will fit.

[cherkas.oe]

assembly and relocation of the first flight model of the NEWEST aircraft

[gregoryivanov]

A disgrace. One plane per year. I have no words. Apparently, soon, only the Great and Terrible Pu will fly the plane of his special air company, and commoners will master the movement in triples with coachmen.

[Nastia makarova]

everything is lost))))

[Bshkaus]

everything is lost))))

And you don’t jerk, there are dry facts, the Airbus produces almost 800 cars a year, although the Boeing has slowed down, but it is still more than 300. With one plane per year (and even that is not a fact), even the most stubborn patriots begin to suspect something .

[Nastia makarova]

it won't work anymore, no matter how I would like it, but it's better than zero

[Bshkaus]

no longer work, as if I would not like

I have already understood that you are not familiar with the term "economic feasibility".
Then ask a couple of leading questions.
1-What do you think, what is the cost of one side per year, taking into account the development of the aircraft project, the maintenance of the plant and the payment of wages to employees?
2-Let's say in a year they will create one prototype, do you think it will greatly affect the general fleet of civilian aircraft in the Russian Federation and how many Western analogs can it replace with itself and in which direction to fly in splendid isolation and on which route?
Think ...

[Nastia makarova]

let even one than anything and close the plant, when there is a sample to start doing it the simplest

[Beringovsky]

Every Monday, we have a new PR project.
How will we build aircraft with dead engineering? Aircraft production begins with ... machine tool production.
And for the whole 19 years we have produced ... 373 machines! 373 pieces per year! Machine-tool building is practically killed off as an industry. And if you don't know how to make modern machines, forget about the rest. "Partners" will not give.
This is the policy of the authorities. They always will have money to support banks and Gazprom and Rosneft.

[Nastia makarova]

you can forget about your machines, it takes decades and cost to recover, no one will do it anymore, you have to buy !!! and how many machines did you buy in 19?

[Beringovsky]

How many in 19 m I do not know, I think there is no exact data yet.

Here are the 18th year. This is very significant - per capita. In absolute terms, they bought $ 1807 million, which is very small, and less than in the 14-15th year. This is not enough even to maintain the current park, and it will inevitably decline. And for growth, you need to buy 5-7 times more, at least.
Data presented in the World Machine Tool Survey are solicited for metalcutting machines (codes 8456-8461 under the Harmonized Tariff System) and for metal-forming machines (8462-8463), and are solicited for complete machines only, not including parts or rebuilt machines .
The data presented in the Gardner Machine Tool Review refer only to metal cutting machines (codes 8456-8461 under the Harmonized Tariff System) and forging machines (codes 8462-8463), only for complete machines, not including parts or remanufactured machines.
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[Nastia makarova]

so we need to buy more, while there is an opportunity

[Thrifty]

For Chinese airlines you need the option without seats - a stable place, more fit! !!

[L-39NG]

I, I thought, in the world now produce 2 types of 4-engine aircraft for civil aviation. This Boeing 747 in various configurations (the smallest number of seats 412, the largest 524) and Airbus A380 (544 and 853 seats) Engines with a thrust of 207 - 296 kN and with a span of 14 km for a Boeing 800 and 747 - 310 kN with a span of 310 km for Airbus A15.
Enlighten which engines will be installed on the IL-96-400M. And what is the price of operation planned - airfield maintenance, troubleshooting, the price of spare parts, the timing of flight readiness after a failure is detected. Then you can talk about the eco-friendly operation of the aircraft.

[Pete mitchell]

Frankly, the era of the 4th motor handsome men is approaching sunset, giving way to big twins: the production of the A380 is being completed; the last of the B747-800 is also not in trend.
Good luck 96-400, maybe in Russia itself it can serve.
We really need our own engines, the gap is just critical, we must overcome

[Genry]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

Frankly, the era of the 4th motor handsome men is approaching sunset, giving way to big twins: the production of the A380 is being completed; the last of the B747-800 is also not in trend.

Here it is necessary to weigh the fuel efficiency and the unit cost of owning the engine (or a set of engines for the required power).
Twin-engine aircraft with gear motors have not yet proven their efficiency - too frequent repairs (short gear life) with their high complexity.

[Sergey M. Karasev]

Dear colleague! Could you briefly explain what the advantage of a twin-engine scheme over a four-engine one is? I think this branch will be interesting not only to me.
PS: At one time, the bourgeoisie refused to buy Tu-104 from us just because of the twin-engine scheme. It was believed that a passenger jet airliner should have at least 4 engines for reasons of reliability and safety of continued flight, in the event of a single engine failure.

[Pete mitchell]

Since the time of the Tu-104, much has changed and as a colleague said

Quote: Genry

you need to weigh fuel efficiency and unit cost of owning the engine (or a set of engines for the required power)

Two modern engines provide specified performance and reliability. Among the big twins of ETOPS180, aka the ability to continue flying when one engine fails for 180 minutes is the norm; they master 240. Well, if you compare the consumption of 777-300 with 8 tons per hour in general and 11 tons per A380 engine, with a comparable result, the choice will be obvious. And let's not forget the operational limitations of monsters of the A380 class, 747 have fewer.

[Sergey M. Karasev]

Those. is it about fuel economy?

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Sergey Karasev

Those. is it about fuel economy?

This is somewhat narrower perhaps: if it is wider, then everything, as always, rests on debit / credit. Not only is fuel efficiency: more service, more overall weight - they consider the charge for using airports from it; operational problems - not every airport will accept the A380; of these if in favor of big twins.

[Pete mitchell]

At present, we must not forget about the environment, the capitalists are very respectful / afraid of all sorts of Gratgutenbergs there. In a word - big twins rule, in the civilian sector for sure

[NKT]

I, I thought, in the world now produce 2 types of 4-engine aircraft for civil aviation. This Boeing 747 in various configurations (the smallest number of seats 412, the largest 524) and Airbus A380 (544 and 853 seats) Engines with a thrust of 207 - 296 kN and with a span of 14 km for a Boeing 800 and 747 - 310 kN with a span of 310 km for Airbus A15.

We can add that the release of the A340 has already been completed (another 4-engine aircraft).

[Bshkaus]

The production of the prototype is planned to be completed by the end of the year.

Are they scoffing?
What prototype and to what end of the year!
IL-96-400M is the modernization of the already commercially available IL-96, and IL-96, in turn, is the modernization of the serial IL-86 developed already in the 80s. what can be assembly problems prototype created on a serial and decades-tested prototype?
Will they be there three additional frames to be inserted into the fuselage for the whole year and the engine will be twisted to the wing by half a turn of the bolt per week?
Well, I understand if the plane "from scratch" developed, leading manufacturers hundreds of planes a year riveted.
Brazilians, and those in the base E-Jet, have variations from ultra-short 175 to long 195 and there is no problem for anyone in the world to rivet a bunch of elongated or shortened versions quickly and in hundreds, and the fuselage IL-96-400 differs from IL-96 precisely a long fuselage, and replacing the avionics and engine nacelles with the engine is not a problem at all in the assembly process, it would be the very avionics and the same engines.

According to the developers, in many ways, including cost-effectiveness, reliability and safety, the IL-96-400M will be compared with the best Western counterparts.

For which specifically?
Is it 90% composed of composites?
An aerodynamic wing shape with tips like raked wingtip?
Does it have a modern aerodynamic layout like the Airbus 350 and 220? (former CS-300 bombardier), Boeing 787, Superjet and MC21?
Engines and avionics? - Well, maybe, but this is absolutely not enough.
PS I myself madly love the IL86 and IL-96 planes, flew 86m several times and for its time it was a great plane, BUT, 20 years have passed, its conditional contemporaries A-330, Boeing 767 and 777, although they are masters of the sky today, but ready to give way to the latest aircraft.
With all due respect, the IL-96 is already outdated ...

[krops777]

According to the developers, in many ways, including cost-effectiveness, reliability and safety, the IL-96-400M will be compared with the best Western counterparts.

Here, in my opinion, this is the whole problem of superjets, MS-21, the future Il-96-400M, in order to chop off a piece of the market, we must at least be headlong above the competition and when the planes are the same, naturally, who will choose the buyers from whom better developed infrastructure.

[Romka]

The reliability of this device is beyond doubt - after all, "the guarantor himself" flies. And if a country claims to be a status, if not a "superpower" then at least, but simply a self-sufficient state, then .... well, you at least remember Khrushchev's arrival at TU 114 in the United States. You can't think of a better "business card".
“Khrushchev’s huge silver-white turboprop aircraft arrived at the US landing site on September 15th. The plane itself was evidence of power. "It is the largest air liner in the world, so wide that it cannot fit on a regular taxiway, so high that it requires a special aluminum ramp, so large that it cannot be deployed on the main runway of Andrews airdrome."

[Paul Siebert]

With an initiative, factory workers!
Down and Out trouble started.
It is necessary that such news come several times a week!

[Servisinzhener]

I agree with those who believe that the commercial sale of this aircraft is very doubtful. And he will remain the plane for the presidential SLO and piece by piece in other companies. Of course, its declared price is lower than the long-range Boeing 777 by at least half. But
A Boeing with a similar passenger capacity flies 4 thousand kilometers further. To manage them, they need 2 people, not 3. The ability to quickly repair anywhere in the world. So if you calculate the cost of ownership of aircraft for the entire period of operation. That is not likely to be more expensive Boeing will cost less.
In addition, political restrictions on sales. (It is only in the dreams of our liberals that there is a free world market and competition).
But to design and build such aircraft themselves need. In order not to lose competence in this matter. And the competence is such that when you suddenly need it, you can’t get them for any money. Nowhere to buy.

[Alexey from Perm]

judging by the terms, one locksmith collects it ..

[Monar]

The first flight of the IL-96-400M is scheduled for 2021

Well, it means another 5 years to wait for the first letaka.
Humble opinion. Yes, even 10 years. But the only civilian design bureau that protects its name. Good luck to them.

[kartalovkolya]

If the so-called "partners" begin to put a spoke in the wheel, then we have something to answer them: take and close our airspace for their planes (and let them count the losses from flying around our borders)! The answer should be such as to forever discourage us from crap, otherwise all half measures, etc. "concern".

[pafegosoff]

Production aircraft will go by the year 2030.
And in 2035 the time of technological singularity will come ...

[bars1]

This airliner is like the Tu-160, only in civil aviation. The same "modern" and created to keep the competence ...

[Dikson]

One plane a year .. Obsolete .. It's sad, gentlemen ..

[Zaurbek]

And who will operate it? Strange, one side is not heard further.

[Adimius38]

really a long-awaited aircraft, always wholeheartedly supported our IL, it’s clear that it will be difficult to enter the foreign market with it, but you need to start with less from the domestic market and equip our airlines with the best domestic aircraft. Stop feeding the western economy