Talk about Stalin's intelligence services

Talk about Stalin's intelligence services

Recently, the topic of "Stalin and special services" has been actively discussed both in the media and in literature. Did the Soviet leader have “secret intelligence”? How did Stalin feel about the special services? Many who are seriously engaged or simply interested are trying to answer these and many other questions. history special services.


Stalin, like any head of state, tried to avoid public statements about the activities of his special services. It is known that even in pre-revolutionary times in the Transcaucasian Bureau of the RSDLP, he was responsible for party intelligence and counterintelligence. The experience gained in working in this direction at one time helped the People's Commissar for Nationalities, I.V. Stalin, to expose the Tsaritsyn "white underground" led by the former general of the tsarist army A.L. Nosovich. Having become one of the “sleeve” members of the leadership of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks (Bolsheviks), Stalin was fully aware of all the issues related to the activities of the special services.

It is precisely the Stalinist intelligence services that the historian Alexander Kolpakidi’s speech at the Stalin Readings conference was dedicated to. In his speech, he will focus on the events that took place in 1937 and are directly related to the work of the Stalin special services.

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  1. Nasrat 14 January 2020 11: 32 New
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    Maybe you will open the site - “OUR STALIN” - I think there will be many subscribers ... why does “Military Review” write a couple of articles about Stalin every day? ...

    1. RUSS 14 January 2020 11: 43 New
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      Quote: Nasr
      Maybe you will open the site - “OUR STALIN” - I think there will be many subscribers ... why does “Military Review” write a couple of articles about Stalin every day? ...

      Stalin is now in trend, but the main thing is the debate and discussion on this forum on the topic -Stalin and the number of visits to the site, the site earns on advertising, more visits to the site, more viewing ads, more site profit, pure business and more.
      1. knn54 14 January 2020 13: 54 New
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        And I would not mind that they would write the TRUTH about Beria.
        - Border Guards.
        - The Caucasian Front - was defended by the same border guards and parts of the NKVD.
        - missile shield of the country.
        -Nuclear weapon.
        Well, intelligence and counterintelligence.
        As for Stalin. If the Person is in power, then the person is in his environment. All the achievements after the death of the Leader were achieved by the nominees of the Stalin era.
        PS By the way, during the defense of Brest the convoy battalion heroically fought to the last soldier.
        1. Alexander Suvorov 14 January 2020 15: 09 New
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          PS By the way, during the defense of Brest the convoy battalion heroically fought to the last soldier.
          NKVD troops also took an active part in the defense of Rostov-on-Don, moreover escort parts. Our liberal authorities as well do not like to recall this.
          By June 1941, the 230th regiment of escort troops of the NKVD of the USSR was part of the 43rd brigade of escort troops of the NKVD of the USSR.
          When the Great Patriotic War began, most of the regimental servicemen were sent to the front. Two hundred people under the command of the regiment commander, Lieutenant Colonel Shevtsov were sent to the front, 249 fighters joined the fighter battalion. Contrary to the anti-Soviet stamps, the soldiers of the NKVD troops were not "snickering the wardens" sitting in the rear. Most of the soldiers and officers of the same convoy troops experienced all the "charms" of the trenches, all the dashingness of the attacks and the severity of the defeats. After sending two hundred fighters headed by the commander of the regiment to the front, the command of the regiment was taken over by Lieutenant Colonel Pavel Petrovich Demin - later Major General. The battalion commissar Fedor Vasilievich Shkolnikov was the deputy commander of the regiment for political affairs, and Captain Isaev was the chief of staff of the regiment. In addition to the command of the regiment, for two days Pavel Petrovich Demin also served as the head of the formation of another division, the 33 of the motorized rifle regiment of the operational forces of the NKVD of the USSR.
          1. Nasrat 14 January 2020 15: 18 New
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            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            They don’t like to remember about it

            That you slander ... here is an article from 2012 on VO, the truth is then slandered and now slander ... and articles are regularly published ..

            https://topwar.ru/15627-chernyy-mif-o-chekistah-voyska-nkvd-v-velikuyu-otechestvennuyu-voynu.html
            1. Alexander Suvorov 14 January 2020 15: 25 New
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              This you slander ... here is an article from 2012 on VO
              Already a whole article on VO and this is for as much as 7 years, now it’s straight the truth, the womb is so cut, right ?!
              And how much dirt is poured on them every day like you ?!
              1. Nasrat 14 January 2020 15: 53 New
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                Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                NasRat (Evlampy Spiridonovich)
                This you slander ... here is an article from 2012 on VO
                Already a whole article on VO and this is for as much as 7 years, now it’s straight the truth, the womb is so cut, right ?!
                And how much dirt is poured on them every day like you ?!

                Come on, 7 years, one article .... on VO ... but on other sites they didn’t try to watch, on the TV channel the star showed how many times and so on .. other ... I don’t pour dirt almost never, but the facts must be disclosed so that the people know ... and if they already started the indictment process - please remind me in which place I poured dirt - well, that's interesting .. or is it unfounded to blame - is it according to Stalin?
                1. Alexander Suvorov 14 January 2020 16: 01 New
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                  All your so-called "revealed facts" are nothing more than dirt, and you disseminate it intensively in each of your comments.
                  But, people are not stupid, many, unlike you, can think independently, and not bear the diarrhea that poured on fragile minds, such as yours, in the 90s all sorts of "Lights" and other infection, because you have so many minuses.
                  1. Nasrat 14 January 2020 16: 08 New
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                    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                    All your so-called "revealed facts" are nothing more than dirt, and you disseminate it intensively in each of your comments.
                    But, people are not stupid, many, unlike you, can think independently, and not bear the diarrhea that poured on fragile minds, such as yours, in the 90s all sorts of "Lights" and other infection, because you have so many minuses.

                    Hehe, in this case, the diarrhea that you so praise so much was poured into your brains much earlier ...
                    And yet you did not bother to substantiate your accusations with facts ... a word is not a sparrow ... but a man rushing with words is not a man ...
                    Hefty uncle, considers the cons in nete in the vertical and judges this seriously, from a life perspective !!! - this is generally prohibitive !!!! wassat wassat wassat
                    Thank you laugh! But I won’t give you a hand ... because you don’t answer for your words like a man.
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                      1. Nasrat 14 January 2020 16: 22 New
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                        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                        ... and minus only confirm this.


                        Hehe ... Are you serious? I feel sorry for you !!!!


                        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                        You think you hid behind an avatar and a nickname, NO on the contrary, you showed everyone your true face, or rather a vile physiognomy!


                        Hehe ... yes, you are losing your temper now !!!! laughing Anger and pettiness - speaks for you .., once switched to the cons and avatars / nicknames ..
                        I'm not mad at you! The destiny of the weak is to look at the pros and cons of the site ... But how can you be angry with the weak? tongue
                        Oh my God, someone slapped you a minus - I swear I did not put you more than one minus !!! I would be a bastard to do this ...
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                      3. Nasrat 14 January 2020 16: 49 New
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                        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                        NasRat (Evlampy Spiridonovich)
                        Hehe ... yes, you are losing your temper now !!!!
                        A lot of honor for you negative .

                        Oh - you pulled yourself together! perfectly. And then I was already prohibiting for your health ...
                        but the phrase below says that you are still on the verge ...
                        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                        Me on you
                        Nasrat
                        laughing

                        It is a pity that you are so aggressive ... this is all your problems in life - I assure you ...
      2. karabass 13 February 2020 13: 53 New
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        Yes, yes, Beria personally complained to Stalin that the NKVD divisions were used as ordinary rifle divisions, and the losses reached 75%. He wrote that it was illiterate that executioners should be protected
  • Pessimist22 14 January 2020 11: 46 New
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    "Our beloved leader Stalin"
    Here it is more harmonious.
    1. Nasrat 14 January 2020 11: 50 New
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      Quote: Pessimist22
      "Our beloved leader Stalin"
      Here it is more harmonious.

      Yes, whatever you like, and most importantly, there will be no srach not on VO, not on "Our beloved leader Stalin" ...

      but about “Stalin” at VO - it’s clear that this is a commercial project ... on Stalin and his admirers, they are making money corny ... which is not forbidden today, but even welcomed ...
      Thus, admirers of Stalin indirectly and financially support the bourgeoisie ... such a metamorphosis ... in fact - it’s true .... laughing
      1. Nasrat 14 January 2020 12: 03 New
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        Not guys, seriously - go to a site about Stalin - there you can print articles endlessly, again from the text of the article - the conference "Stalin Readings" is taking place - this is for a week of material !!!! And how many comments lay out in front of each other - Wow! I worked here with the archive for that period - there is just a lot of interesting things for you - the site will live for more than a decade ...
      2. Pessimist22 14 January 2020 12: 05 New
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        I don’t need srach, but truth is born in disputes, I personally can’t judge Stalin and those times, fortunately I was lucky and I was born in peaceful and freer years, but too often people write about him here, as it was good and td etc. I can judge that time only from the stories of those people who lived in those days, I know one thing, it was very difficult and those who want to live as "under Stalin" either do not really know how it was then, or just fools.
        1. Nasrat 14 January 2020 12: 08 New
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          Quote: Pessimist22
          .... I know one thing, it was very difficult and those who want to live as "under Stalin" either do not really imagine how it was then, or simply fools.


          so everyone knows ... even the ardent Stalinists ... spikelets in the fields did not just collect ...
          1. Pessimist22 14 January 2020 12: 11 New
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            You need to be an idiot to be proud of the situation of your people. This must be remembered and done so that this never happens again.
            1. Nasrat 14 January 2020 12: 15 New
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              Quote: Pessimist22
              You need to be an idiot to be proud of the situation of your people. This must be remembered and done so that this never happens again.

              This is not about the Stalinists ....
            2. Mcar 14 January 2020 12: 20 New
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              Quote: Pessimist22
              You need to be an idiot to be proud of the situation of your people. This must be remembered and done so that this never happens again.

              Well yes! Well this was a quiet horror of what happened - prices are falling, incomes are rising, thieves are being planted, corrupt officials are shot ... Horror!
              1. Alexander Suvorov 14 January 2020 15: 13 New
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                McAr (Alexander)
                Well yes! Well this was a quiet horror of what happened - prices are falling, incomes are rising, thieves are being planted, corrupt officials are shot ... Horror!
                Namesake hi , you are more careful with such theses, otherwise local anti-Stalinists will now have a brain explode and a fart will burst ... laughing
                Look at how poor fellows gloat, but judging by their minuses ours are still more, and significantly.
                1. Mcar 14 January 2020 15: 21 New
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                  Good health, Alexander! hi

                  I’m not afraid of anything and no one else long ago. The boyar atrophied. And what comes of ours is immensely pleasing.
                  1. Nasrat 14 January 2020 15: 58 New
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                    If it arrived somewhere, it means it disappeared somewhere - no one canceled the conservation laws ... bully
                    Soon the last who with brains will leave this site - you will have the complete illusion of victorious Stalinism ... wassat wassat wassat
                    1. Mcar 14 January 2020 16: 10 New
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                      Quote: Nasr
                      If it arrived somewhere, it means it disappeared somewhere - no one canceled the conservation laws

                      This is evident - the law of conservation of energy in life - from year to year, the more beggars, the more rich.

                      There is another law: the exploiter? go to the wall!

                      Also does not contradict any law of being.
                    2. bober1982 14 January 2020 16: 39 New
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                      There is another law: the exploiter? go to the wall!

                      In vain you are so, I mean, about - to the wall, immediately to the expense.
                      After all, as it was in Civil, there was no dirt under the nails — as an expense, as an exploiter of the working people, and the poor fellow was just a telegraph operator, or, clean shoes for a man — and shoot him as a counter.
                    3. Mcar 14 January 2020 16: 46 New
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                      Quote: bober1982
                      Quote: McAr
                      There is another law: the exploiter? go to the wall!

                      In vain you are so, I mean, about - to the wall, immediately to the expense.
                      After all, as it was in Civil, there was no dirt under the nails — as an expense, as an exploiter of the working people, and the poor fellow was just a telegraph operator, or, clean shoes for a man — and shoot him as a counter.

                      You are about the surroundings. About the hat, umbrella, cane ... I'm talking about the essence.

                      Yes, really Chubayasin now have to clean nails, IF WHAT, to determine?
                      Completeness. Well, and the people will understand the exploiters by what signs to identify.

                      And again, “go to the wall” - a figure of speech. I am for the fact that we have few eight-lane polar freeways.
                    4. bober1982 14 January 2020 17: 50 New
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                      Quote: McAr
                      Yes, really Chubayasin now have to clean nails, IF WHAT, to determine?

                      Of course not, times are still changing, and determining how they will be - drives a jeep, which means the exploiter.
                      And, end up with the fact that the last bike will be taken away from anyone, except for it there is nothing, well, and cans with pickles in addition. To not flout.
                    5. Mcar 14 January 2020 18: 26 New
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                      Quote: bober1982
                      Quote: McAr
                      Yes, really Chubayasin now have to clean nails, IF WHAT, to determine?

                      Of course not, times are still changing, and determining how they will be - drives a jeep, which means the exploiter.
                      And, end up with the fact that the last bike will be taken away from anyone, except for it there is nothing, well, and cans with pickles in addition. To not flout.

                      You're dramatizing. Never a can of pickles and a bicycle were the means of production.

                      And the jeep is also not an indicator. The main difference is ownership of the means of production. Remember how "Mr. Twister, Former Minister, Mr. Twister, Millionaire, Owner of factories, Newspapers, ships" is different from everyone else?

                      So moreover, what prevents, for those capitalists who have not seized and built their means of production from scratch, a gentle regime for the transitional stage from capitalism to communism? A lot of tools - from taxes to laws. Or are you against the laws? Against taxes? Against the majority?
                    6. bober1982 14 January 2020 18: 51 New
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                      Quote: McAr
                      on the transitional stage from capitalism to communism a sparing regime?

                      Are you serious? But, because now is not the nineteenth century, have mercy.
                      Time has ended, and capitalism, and socialism - this, just was just a transitional period, it is no longer relevant, and no one is interested (I mean serious people)
                      Near there, at the door
                    7. Mcar 14 January 2020 18: 58 New
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                      Quote: bober1982
                      Are you serious?

                      But it seems like I'm joking?

                      Quote: bober1982
                      But, because now is not the nineteenth century, have mercy.

                      And what follows from this that it is not the 19th century? Something has changed and now the exploiters are not exploiting like that?

                      Quote: bober1982
                      Time has ended, and capitalism, and socialism - this, just was just a transitional period, it is no longer relevant, and no one is interested

                      This bourgeois ruling class is making efforts and inspires that "this is no longer relevant and does not interest anyone." And he himself tirelessly and vigilantly waged a class struggle with the proletariat. Examples are needed or google yourself how much the proletariat was robbed of pension genocide?
                    8. bober1982 14 January 2020 19: 15 New
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                      Well, that you, as a propagandist, are illiterate, now it’s not the 20s of the XNUMXth century, if you do not like the XNUMXth century.
                      What other class struggle? which proletariat? You, my friend, are wandering somewhere, chaotic thoughts.
                      In Europe, joint (common use, M + F) latrines are installed, that’s the whole class struggle, how it all ended, it's all Karl Marx, the bastard.
                    9. Mcar 14 January 2020 19: 16 New
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                      Quote: bober1982
                      You, my friend, are wandering somewhere, chaotic thoughts.

                      And you, mommy, bourgeois campaign. From this and start from now on. And don't fool others.
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                      Quote: McAr
                      And don't fool others.

                      Well
                    11. your1970 21 January 2020 12: 06 New
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                      Quote: McAr
                      Quote: bober1982
                      You, my friend, are wandering somewhere, chaotic thoughts.

                      And you, mommy, the campaign bourgeois. From this and start from now on. And don't fool others.

                      So you have already come, and conclusions have been drawn, and hanged a label ....
                      И means of production there was nothing to do with it .. he might even be a passportless beggar ....
                      Commonplace PERSONAL hostility to man ...
                      That's how people got power in 1917 and worked ....
                      "Yes, he bourgeois !! To his wall !!"

                      So it will be now ....
  • Pessimist22 14 January 2020 18: 05 New
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    It will be like in a party, one opinion, but correct.
  • your1970 20 January 2020 21: 16 New
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    Quote: McAr
    ! Well this was a quiet horror of what happened - prices are falling, incomes are rising,

    And then you need to be more careful, first they carried out a monetary reform and cut the income by 10 times to the population, and only then they lowered prices by 25% ...
    This is certainly not the Gaidar belay Forteli- but there is not a single concern here ....
    1. Mcar 21 January 2020 01: 52 New
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      Quote: your1970
      carried out a monetary reform and cut incomes by 10 times to the population

      No need to whistle! They cut back the “incomes” of the then Chubais: speculators, thieves, bandits and other antisocial elements (who couldn’t “show” their unjust income and kept money “in stockings”), which are the most respected people in the current Russian Federation.

      In the Decree of the Council of Ministers of the USSR and the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks N 4004 of December 14, 1947 "On the implementation of monetary reform and the abolition of cards for food and industrial goods", the procedure for exchanging old money for new ones was established, and the conditions for revaluation of cash deposits in savings banks and the State Bank of the USSR. When recalculating salaries, money was exchanged in such a way that salary remained unchanged. On deposits at Sberbank amounts up to 3 thousand rubles were also exchanged one to one, for deposits from 3 to 10 thousand rubles, savings were reduced by one third of the amount, for deposits of more than 10 thousand rubles, half of the amount was withdrawn. The same, who kept money at homereceived during the exchange one new ruble for ten old.

      Given that, on average, one resident of the USSR had no more than 200 rubles in savings, the working people practically did not suffer.
      1. your1970 21 January 2020 08: 41 New
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        A bottle of vodka in the market at that time was worth 100 rubles ...
        I mean, I don’t feel sorry for speculators, moreover, reform was extremely necessary for the post-war economy.
        But here is the fact that workers have a stash of 200 rubles (for two bottles of vodka !!!) - and "not hurt "this is in my opinion wild a lie ... strongly gives away Gaidar .....
        1. Mcar 21 January 2020 09: 48 New
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          But here is the fact that the workers having a stash of 200 rubles (for two bottles of vodka !!!) and "did not suffer", in my opinion, is a wild lie ... strongly gives away by the Gaidar region .....

          Can you read? Find that resolution and read it as a deputy - so many times until you begin to understand how much the number 3000 is greater than the number 200.
        2. your1970 21 January 2020 11: 11 New
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          And you, “as a deputy,” do not write about “200 rubles of savings” and about “not hurt”.
          And it turns out according to your technology, that the people "did not suffer" in Pavlovsk reform in the 90s ..
  • Victorio 14 January 2020 15: 36 New
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    You need to be an idiot to be proud of the situation of your people. This must be remembered and done so that this never happens again.

    ===
    such that did not happen again, repression !? call it that. specifically discuss if there is anything. this is nothing more than your opinion, albeit confirmed by something, in something. We are trying to dress up, discuss, condemn in general, the destiny and duty of specialists, in which many of us are here, and somewhere else in the Internet, for me, these dances of yours are as self-promoting as your "ardent" opponents.
    1. Pessimist22 14 January 2020 18: 17 New
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      This is my opinion, I believe that people have been kept in despotism for too many years, then in totalitarianism, they had to be given freedom under Peter 1, if Siberia and the Far East were settled and developed, and now we have an inheritance from previous generations.
      1. Pessimist22 14 January 2020 18: 33 New
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        Mikhail Lermontov
        THOUGHT
        Sadly I look at our generation!
        His future - il is empty, il is dark,
        Meanwhile, under the burden of knowledge and doubt,
        Inaction, it will age.
        We are rich, barely out of the cradle,
        The mistakes of the fathers and their later minds,
        And life already torments us, like a smooth path without a goal,
        Like a feast at someone else's holiday.
        To good and evil, they are shamefully indifferent,
        At the beginning of the field, we wilt without a fight;
        Before danger, shamefully cowardly,
        And before the government - despicable slaves.
        So a skinny fetus, ripe for a while,
        Neither pleasing our taste, nor eyes
        Hanging between flowers, an orphaned alien,
        And the hour of their beauty - its fall hour!
        We have withered the mind with barren science
        She is envious of her friends and family
        Hope is the best and the voice is noble
        Disbelief ridiculed passions.
        We barely touched to the cup of pleasure,
        But we did not save those young forces;
        Of every joy, fearing satiety,
        We have the best juice ever.
        Dreams of poetry, creation of art
        Delight sweet our mind does not stir;
        We eagerly cherish in the chest the rest of the feeling
        Buried in stinginess and useless treasure.
        And we hate, and we love by chance,
        Without sacrificing anything to anger or love,
        And some cold secret reigns in the soul,
        When the fire boils in blood.
        And our ancestors are bored with luxurious fun,
        Their conscientious, childish debauchery;
        And we rush to the grave without happiness and without glory,
        Looking mockingly back.
        The crowd is gloomy and soon forgotten
        We will pass over the world without noise and trace,
        Throwing not a fertile thought for centuries,
        Not a genius of work begun.
        And our dust, with the rigor of a judge and a citizen,
        A descendant will be insulted by a contemptuous verse,
        Taunting the bitterly deceived son
        Over the squandered father.

        For 200 years, almost nothing has changed.
  • solzh 14 January 2020 12: 22 New
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    Quote: Nasr
    the main sracha will not be not in, not on "Our beloved leader Stalin."

    Whatever the abuse on the VO website, then you need to remove the "History" section and articles on politics and economics from the website. Then it will be quiet and grace on the site. wink
    But seriously, articles about Joseph Vissarionovich are relevant, and for the VO site just right. I.V. Stalin is the Generalissimo of the USSR, the most successful leader of the USSR, who was able to build a strong state in economic, industrial, political and military terms. So where if not on the Military Review portal to write about him?
    There are a lot of individual sites about Stalin on the Internet.
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      They wrote to you that the name of Stalin is used as a commercial project on the VO website ... no more ....
      I understand that you perceive these publications at face value? I feel sorry for you...
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        They wrote to you that the name of Stalin is used as a commercial project on the VO website ...
        From the series "nothing on the topic, so blah blah blah"?
    2. Nasrat 14 January 2020 12: 45 New
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      By the way, I think you did not think about why I often give such comments that are higher ..... so that there would be more comments from you and your accomplices .... bully The site I bring benefit !!!! Well, you respectively wink
      Let's talk about Stalin !!!!
      1. solzh 14 January 2020 12: 54 New
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        didn’t you wonder why I give such comments so often

        To be honest, I didn’t pay much attention. Usually I read an article, watch a video if there is one, then read the comments, and if some comment “catches” me, I write my own. Something like this.
        Quote: Nasr
        The site I bring benefit !!!! Well, you respectively

        I do not know. Rather, not sure. From me, the site benefits zero. I rarely write my comments ...
        PS IN this is the only site where I stayed, from other projects and social networks I retired hi
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          . VO is the only site where I stayed, from other projects and social networks I retired hi

          Why? What you are not satisfied with other projects and social networks .... this is a business curiosity ..
          Quote: solzh
          and if some comment "catches me" then I write my

          Quote: solzh
          From me, the site benefits zero.


          However, they answered my comment ... not for nothing that I wrote it means my comment ... thanks!

          And turning to the comments above - bust with Stalin - you see even the minusculers are few - the project is exhausted ... if half a year ago, would it be a minus for a hundred - for sure !. And now the sluggish topic is becoming ... even for ardent Stalinists ...
          1. solzh 14 January 2020 13: 29 New
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            Quote: Nasr
            What you are not satisfied with other projects and social networks .... this is a business curiosity

            1. Everywhere the same.
            2. Professionalism on other projects is not enough and too much rudeness.
            3. I’m just tired of social networks.
            Quote: Nasr
            However, they answered my comment ... not for nothing that I wrote it means my comment ... thanks!

            You are welcome! hi
            Quote: Nasr
            you see even the minus one

            So it's not evening yet wink laughing
            1. Nasrat 14 January 2020 13: 39 New
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              Quote: solzh

              So it's not evening yet wink laughing


              I hope for new arrivals !!! bully
      2. SOVIET UNION 2 14 January 2020 13: 08 New
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        Well, if Stalin is so bad, then who is good? Who made Russia great? Is Gorbachev really? Talk about him?
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          Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
          Well, if Stalin is so bad, then who is good? Who made Russia great?

          How unpatriotic you are, right! Well, how who? Of course, the Great and Terrible Good Goodwin. Only he can bring Russia back to the most successful (thanks to the weather with nature) year - 1913.
        2. Nasrat 14 January 2020 13: 31 New
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          Oh well, the interlocutor is what you need !!!!
          Talk about Gorbachev ?? I wrote about him here many times ... Gorbachev’s KGB project (and the article, by the way, on special services !!!) .. If you follow the career of this political worker, you will immediately realize that his progress in the career of a party assistant is not an accident, but the direct hand of the KGB ... Twice, Gorbachev’s candidacy was considered for joining the KGB ...
          Further more - In 1969, Yuri Andropov regarded Gorbachev as a possible candidate for the post of deputy chairman of the KGB of the USSR - not a hoolam balam ... !!!!
          So the party was planning the Gorbachev project back in the mid-1960s ... they led him from Moscow State University to the Secretary General - and he did what was planned ..
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            So the party was planning the Gorbachev project back in the mid-1960s ... they led him from Moscow State University to the Secretary General - and he did what was planned ..

            Yes, I won’t be surprised if so.

            Communist project, i.e. opportunity for every person to live freely and create, began to curl Khrushchev. Why did he need this? I think, due to its nearness, he himself did not understand why. There are people who want to stay in history, even if the murder of something good or significant. For example, the murder of John Lennon.
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              Quote: McAr
              Khrushchev began to curl up. Why did he need this? I think, due to its nearness, he himself did not understand why.

              What kind of distant Khrushchev are you talking about ???
              In 1929, while studying at the Industrial Academy in Moscow, Nikita Khrushchev met the wife of Joseph Stalin, Nadezhda Alliluyeva, who studied there, thanks to which he became a party committee secretary. With this actually began the party career of Khrushchev. in 1931 he was already the first secretary of the Bauman district committee, in 1934 the first secretary of the Kiev regional committee, then from 1935 to 1938 he was the first secretary of the Moscow regional committee of the party. since 1938, Khrushchev became the first secretary of the central committee of the Communist Party and Ukraine, and in 1939 a member of the Politburo. In 1949, Khrushchev again moved to Moscow as the first secretary of the Moscow regional party committee. In 1953, after the death of Joseph Stalin, he became the first secretary of the CPSU Central Committee.

              Stalin would endure the near ... yeah ... Khrushchev ... was an ardent Stalinist ... who, after Stalin's death, reconsidered his views ... laughing And so many Stalinists of that time did ... at least at congress 20 all those present unanimously voted to condemn the personality cult of Stalin ... well then you didn’t live then and would you naturally vote against it ... wassat
              1. Mcar 14 January 2020 14: 16 New
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                Stalin would endure the near ... yeah ...

                For understanding. Cunning, vindictive, vile - these qualities, so needed today, were then not in honor. Khrushchev hid them for the time being.

                Do you blame Stalin for not having the qualities and abilities of Jennifer from Wengerberg?
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                  Do you blame Stalin for not having the qualities and abilities of Jennifer from Wengerberg?

                  And you crept into doubt about the genius of Stalin !! Already good .... Stalin saw through them all, but Khrushchev overlooked .... wassat But Khrushch is one of the few close comrades of Stalin in the party !!! Since 1952, the Presidium of the Central Committee included alphabetically: Beria, Bulganin, Voroshilov, Kaganovich, Malenkov, Pervukhin, Saburov, Stalin, Khrushchev.
                  Glyadika you - Stalin overlooked, Beria overlooked ..... yeah ...

                  cunning, vindictive and vile .... - but did you only describe Khrushchev or someone else from that period?

                  Khrushchev as general secretary is closer to regularity (after Stalin’s death) than a misunderstanding ... Stalin gave birth to Khrushchev - so to speak briefly ... The party and people were tired of Stalin’s methods, and therefore did not give power to the mighty Beria ... what of the organs ....
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                  And you crept into doubt about the genius of Stalin !! Already good....

                  Ear have not get up!

                  Stalin's genius is not to not make mistakes, but to draw conclusions from them.

                  And by the way, no one even saw Khrushchev in a bad dream following Stalin. So he did not become the first immediately and with the help of intrigue.
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                  As if Stalin without intrigue stood at the helm ....

                  Nevertheless, Zhukov sided with Khrushchev at a crucial moment .. although he was almost on friendly terms with Beria ...
                  The indicative choice of the country's top military leadership ... and it is not in favor of a Stalinist follower ... there is something for the Stalinists to think about ...

                  So think about why Zhukov turned away from Beria? Although a couple of days before that, they made plans for the development of the country ....
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                  As if Stalin without intrigue stood at the helm ....

                  Imagine.

                  If you did study the topic, you cannot but admit, preserving the honor, that Stalin went to Olympus solely with his personal qualities.
                  Is the news for you that he renounced his powers three times?
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                  Is the news for you that he renounced his powers three times?

                  Checked on fidelity of comrades ... sly Koba !!!

                  as you wrote there - cunning, vindictive and vile ..

  • Nasrat 14 January 2020 13: 42 New
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    Well, if Stalin is so bad, then who is good? Who made Russia great? Is Gorbachev really? Talk about him?

    I'm sorry .. I’m leaving for lunch ... write while your thoughts about Gorbachev ...
  • Victorio 14 January 2020 14: 44 New
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    Maybe open the site - "OUR STALIN"

    ===
    if you could turn around there, break - not build.
    ps if you open the site - "anti-Stalin", then there will be no less subscribers, and even the support of Western friends is even more
  • lucul 14 January 2020 11: 45 New
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    Chief Sephardic rabbi Yitzhak Yosef argued that the mass of immigrants from the former Soviet republics are not Jews, and many are communists who hate religion as goyim.

    An article published on Tuesday by the daily Yedioth Ahronoth, which reported on a rabbinical conference last week, said that Yosef said tens or hundreds of thousands of these immigrants also vote for parties opposing ultra-Orthodox and religion.

    “The Jewish Law has caused a lot of problems,” Yosef said, referring to the Law on Returns, a 1950s law that gives most Jewish immigrants the right to automatic citizenship. The definition of Jewry under the Law of Return is much broader than the definition of religious law or Halacha.

    “As a result of this law, tens or hundreds of thousands of goyim arrived in Israel. The goyim who vote for all kinds of anti-religious parties, ”said Yosef.

    “I do not know the exact number, I did not check, but it is clear that [in Israel] there are at least tens of thousands of gentiles, whose grandfathers were Jews and their mothers and grandmothers were gentiles, and they were allowed to immigrate to Israel. There are many, many non-Jews, some of them Communists, hostile religions or haters of religion. They are not Jews at all, but goyim, pagans.

    So here - she is such a force of the Stalin special services - everyone underwent special training in Soviet children's pioneer camps. All Soviet Jews passed - all special agents))))))
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      “Truman spoke directly about what bothered his employees - the Soviet Union uses the Jewish state to penetrate the region.

      “This will not happen,” Weizmann replied. - If the Soviets wanted to use Jewish emigration to spread their ideas, they could have done it for a long time. But people come to us who run away from communism. The prosperous peasants and skilled workers strive for a high standard of living, impossible under communism. Communism can only spread in the illiterate and impoverished sections of society. ”

      Leonid Mlechin “Why did Stalin create Israel?”
      1. Ros 56 14 January 2020 13: 13 New
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        Your Weizmann is lying like a gray gelding, communism can exist only among honest and decent people, but alas, this is unattainable, at least at the current stage of human development.
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          only among honest and decent people, but alas, this is unattainable, at least at the current stage of development of people.

          And with not honest and not decent what to do? Here with my neighbor for example? borrowed money and does not give ...
          He lived under the USSR, and then he also occupied and did not give ...
          Indecent....
          1. Ros 56 21 January 2020 12: 38 New
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            So you do not have communism. laughing And look strictly at the neighbor so that he is imbued, and at the extreme, give him a nickle. lol negative
    2. Pessimist22 14 January 2020 12: 14 New
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      They say Cheburashka is also a Jew.
      1. novel66 14 January 2020 12: 19 New
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        bullshit, his ears are big and his nose is small ... here's a crocodile ...
        1. Pessimist22 14 January 2020 12: 23 New
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          Perhaps, but already under suspicion smile
          1. novel66 14 January 2020 12: 30 New
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            Like, did the Japanese take him for their own?
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              Well, it turns out a Jew and another Japanese spy, now he’ll definitely not get out smile
      2. Mordvin 3 14 January 2020 12: 22 New
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        They say Cheburashka is also a Jew.

        1. Pessimist22 14 January 2020 12: 31 New
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          I am a Belarusian by nationality and what?
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            Klintsevich too, so what?
            Look less in the fifth column, and just be a normal person. hi
  • Ros 56 14 January 2020 13: 04 New
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    It is impossible to consider and analyze what is happening in those days from the current bell tower, you just need to wind it up and not allow such things for the future. Well, how can we analyze, say, the activities of even a loyal security officer who had behind him 3 classes of the village central school and barely knew how to read and sign. Well, what was his horizons and knowledge? Most important was revolutionary expediency. Hence the quality of work and the mistakes that lead to tragedies. But today, liberalists have been pouring mud from a drawer for days on end. So it turns out that ideology is still required, not total, but nonetheless.
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      So it turns out that ideology is still required, not total,

      And which one? Here, in 100 people do not agree on fairly obvious things .. and you want to drive the whole country totally ..
      And if it’s not total, then it will be as it is now in VO - "And I do not care for your idea / story !!!"
  • Amateur 14 January 2020 13: 13 New
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    Did the Soviet leader have “secret intelligence”?

    A certain V. Suvorov wrote about this in detail in a series of books entitled "Control". fool
  • Paul Siebert 14 January 2020 13: 44 New
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    It was under Stalin that our special services worked most efficiently.
    I mean their useful work in the service of the state. Not repression.
    With a rigid vertical, such mechanisms do not jam at all.
    Compare with modern USA - a huge number of conspiratorial offices bite with each other. Often not understanding with whom they are biting. Trump is already shaking from this squabble.
    And they win!
    And then on the basis of these victories they require an increase in budgets.
    What is more of it - benefit or harm to the state?
    1. GKS 2111 14 January 2020 14: 07 New
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      It was under Stalin that our special services worked most efficiently.

      I would like to highlight the best counterintelligence of WWII-SMERSH.

      It should be remembered that the Soviet counterintelligence was opposed by very experienced and inventive opponents from the German special services, including from the Abwehr - German military intelligence. By the beginning of 1943, about 200 German reconnaissance schools were preparing agents for transfer into the Soviet rear. The fact that their activities in the end could not have a significant impact on the course of the war was entirely due to SMERSH. Abwehr leadership underestimated who they would parachute their sabotage personnel on parachutes. When they understood this, it was already too late for them, the war was lost.
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      It was under Stalin that our special services worked most efficiently.

      That is, constant "enemies of the people " at the head of the special services under Stalin you do not bother ??????? !!!!!! None of the leaders died his death, not one !!!!!
      Quote: Paul Siebert
      What is more of it - benefit or harm to the state?

      It turns out that it’s all that is necessary - he spent a couple of years as the People’s Commissar and to the wall ... again, je-efficiency will trample .. sure.
      fool
  • CommanderDIVA 14 January 2020 14: 17 New
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    I read somewhere that Stalin received information of a military-political nature through several channels: through the NKGB-NKVD, the Intelligence Directorate of the NPO of the USSR, the GUKR SMERSH of the NPO of the USSR and through the Comintern
  • Mcar 14 January 2020 15: 09 New
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    Not three times, but 333,5 times.
    Lord, what kind of game you will not hear from the Soviet.

    Not 333,5 times, but three times.

    Game, this is probably what gave birth to you
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    Yeah, here one comrade wrote that "srach is not needed." And of the 76 posts, God forbid that six be on the topic "talk about Stalin's intelligence services." All the rest is a showdown, simply put ...

    Quote: Paul Siebert
    Compare with modern USA - a huge number of conspiratorial offices bite with each other.

    Why compare with modern USA. At the moment in question, they also did not have many special services. Comparable to the number of special services we have. And about the squabbles - they also squabbled with us. The Ministry of Internal Affairs and the KGB have always been in opposition. such a structure as SMERSH was part of three People’s Commissariats (ministries) in general — the People’s Commissariat of Defense, the People’s Commissariat of Internal Affairs, the People’s Commissariat of the Navy. And Abakumov did not live in perfect harmony with Beria, who, through his boss Yukhimovich, obeyed Beria.

    Quote: CommanderDIVA
    I read somewhere that Stalin received information of a military-political nature through several channels: through the NKGB-NKVD, the Intelligence Directorate of the NPO of the USSR, the GUKR SMERSH of the NPO of the USSR and through the Comintern

    There were many sources. Information went according to time along the line
    • Ministry of Internal Affairs (NKVD)
    • MGB / KGB (NKGB)
    • Department of International Information of the CPSU (b), which, after the liquidation of the Comintern, included the special services of the Comintern
    • Information Committee of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
    • GUSS (General Directorate of Special Services)
    In short. There were many sources, as well as special services