Five oddities with a blow to the Ukrainian "Boeing" in Iran


An investigation into the circumstances of the strike on the Ukrainian Boeing in the sky over Iran is ongoing. Despite the recognition of the Iranian authorities in an accidental missile strike on the plane, this version also raises very great doubts, even among experts.


Recall that on January 8, 2020 the plane of Ukraine’s International Airlines crashed about 3 minutes after departure from Tehran Airport. All 167 passengers and 9 crew members on board were killed. Almost immediately, representatives of Ukraine issued a statement in which they excluded the possibility of a version of the attack. However, Kiev soon abandoned the initial words and stated that the plane could have been shot down by a rocket.

The recognition of the Iranian authorities that the Ukrainian airliner was indeed shot down by an Iranian missile by mistake, and this was due to US aggressive actions in neighboring Iraq, was sensational, in connection with which the Iranian air defense quickly responded to any air object. But it is this recognition that allows us to pay attention to a number of oddities associated with the disaster.

Iran's swift repentance


History He knows many examples when, in similar situations, countries have not admitted for years that they shot down an airplane. For example, it is still unknown who shot down the Malaysian Boeing in the sky over the Donbass. Iran did not need to refuse to participate in the crash of the liner, especially since initially no one accused Tehran of what happened. Too fast admission of guilt, which is not at all in the traditions of relations between East and West, makes you think that Iran could specifically assume responsibility - perhaps in order to avoid big problems, and possibly for some other purpose.

Video too sharp


A video appeared on Twitter published by a certain Nariman Garib, an activist of Iranian descent. The world media immediately eagerly picked up the video and replicated it. On the frames - the flight of an airplane, a bright flash and the sound of an explosion. Everything was shot very clearly, as if specifically to then present the record as evidence of Iran’s guilt. But it is precisely the moment of the shooting and the astounding composure of the host, who was virtually unemotional and was almost not surprised at the missile getting into the plane, and it makes you think about oddities.

The strange behavior of the Canadian intelligence


The version that the liner was shot down by a rocket was voiced by Canada, which does not have the means of space intelligence and, accordingly, the ability to determine the exact causes of the disaster. Moreover, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau himself first spoke of a technical malfunction as the main reason for what happened. But the very next day, the Canadian intelligence services sharply “changed their shoes”, and it was after Donald Trump spoke about disbelief in the technical reasons for the crash of the plane. Without exception, all Canadian media reporting on a “technical error” unanimously declared a “downed plane” with the usual addition “with a high degree of probability”.

January 12 rally


Four days after the tragedy, on January 12, several hundred Iranian students gather at the corps of Amir Kabir University in Tehran. They hold a rally in memory of the dead passengers of the Ukrainian liner and at the same time defiantly burn the portrait of General Kassem Suleimani, who was killed by the Americans. Where is the logic here is not very clear. Suleymani at the time of the fall of the liner was already in another world. There are calls for the resignation of the government and even for "abandoning the Ayatollah regime." Of course, such a rally is far from the Ukrainian Maidan, but its very fact is very revealing.

Black boxes


"Black Boxes" from the crashed plane are being transferred to France for decryption. As a reason, it was stated that Iran "has no opportunity to decrypt flight recorders of American liners." Not to invite French specialists, but to hand over the "black boxes" to France. The strange thing is that if the recognition of an unintentional strike has taken place, then why so much attention is paid to decoding the flight recorders, when much more attention should be paid to the actions of calculating the air defense system and its coordination with the services of Imam Khomeini airport.

Naturally, the position of Ukraine is also “impressive”, where they immediately began looking for a Russian trace in the tragedy. In particular, Kiev accused Russia of arming the Iranian regime and, therefore, was involved in the plane crash.

In general, there are still more inconsistencies than clarity in a strange case. And most importantly - although the airliner could indeed be shot down by Iranian air defense systems, it is possible that some external forces influenced the air defense system of the Islamic republic. The United States has the technical capabilities for such an impact, and the general informational background of the event leaves no doubt that the death of the liner was least beneficial to the Iranian leadership.
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  1. Mavrikiy 14 January 2020 09: 35 New
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    it is possible that some external forces influenced the air defense system of the Islamic republic. The United States has the technical capabilities for such an impact,
    fool Rave. Rather, in the Russian Federation, our systems, "more thoroughly" need to select words, why so rude. Who do you work for, Dunkel?
    1. SRC P-15 14 January 2020 09: 40 New
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      And I believe that if it weren’t for the most part that Iranians were flying and the plane wasn’t Ukrainian, then this disaster would not have happened!
      1. Mavrikiy 14 January 2020 09: 45 New
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        And the fact that half were "Canadians"? By the way, there 3 more planes “took off” there, they had nothing, for that.
        1. SRC P-15 14 January 2020 09: 47 New
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          Quote: Mavrikiy
          And the fact that half were "Canadians"?

          Well, not the Americans!
          1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 14 January 2020 09: 56 New
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            And most importantly - although the airliner could indeed be shot down by Iranian air defense systems, it is possible that some external forces influenced the air defense system of the Islamic republic.
            Hooray, another conspiracy theory.

            What surprises me is one thing - how did it happen in Russia that the sign of wisdom and insight was not the ability to rely on clear logic and methodically assessed empirical data, but the ability to discern a double, triple or quadruple bottom in anything, dissolve conspiracy theories, and ultimately give rise to an invented, intricate world raping Occam's razor in a particularly perverse form?
            1. andranick 14 January 2020 10: 11 New
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              What surprises me is one thing: how did it happen in Russia that the signs of wisdom and insight were not the ability to rely on logic and facts, and the ability to discern a double or triple bottom in anything, to dissolve conspiracy theories, and ultimately give rise to a fictitious intricate world that rapes Occam’s razor in especially perverted form?

              I propose the same way (and maybe to a greater extent) to worry about the proximity of Occam’s razor and “highly likly”
              1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 14 January 2020 10: 30 New
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                Quote: andranick
                I propose the same way (and maybe to a greater extent) to worry about the proximity of Occam’s razor and “highly likly”
                It would be nice if someone explained what he did not like the wording “Hiley likes” (she is also “with a high degree of probability”). In my opinion, a person familiar with the principles of putting forward and testing hypotheses is a normal correct formulation. Many confuse the correct wording with uncertainty in their own words.
                1. andranick 14 January 2020 10: 43 New
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                  Many change shoes in the jump :)
                  not the ability to rely on logic and facts, and the ability to discern a double or triple bottom in anything, dissolve conspiracy theories and ultimately give rise to a fictitious intricate world

                  It would also be nice if someone explained what he did not like about the “high-ly-like” wording .... this is a normal correct wording


                  It is only recently that the formulation "Haili Like", used (with or without) by the Anglo-Saxons, leads to very real and far from positive consequences for many peoples. I hope that you, as you are familiar with the principles of putting forward and testing hypotheses, will be able to put forward a hypothesis of why this happens and where you put this Occam's razor.
                  1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 14 January 2020 10: 53 New
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                    Quote: andranick
                    It is only recently that the formulation "Haili Like", used (with or without) by the Anglo-Saxons, leads to very real and far from positive consequences for many peoples. I hope that you, as you are familiar with the principles of advancing and testing hypotheses, will be able to hypothesize why this happens
                    My hypothesis: you are making a claim to the phrase “high likly”, although in reality you have a claim not to the phrase “high likly”, but to something else. It would be nice for everyone if you could formulate your claims as clearly as possible based on a picture of reality, and not on emotional senseless media viruses from the media.
                    1. Mikhail3 14 January 2020 11: 35 New
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                      The claim to your opponent’s wording is pretty clear. It lies in the fact that this formulation, put forward in the process of constructing the HYPOTHESIS, suddenly began to be used as the basis for action taken, that is, not even theories are based on it, but directly some "truths", as if a hypothesis suddenly became equal to a fact.
                      The claim is very clear, but your answers to it are very muddy. Interesting, right?
                      1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 14 January 2020 14: 35 New
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                        Quote: Mikhail3
                        This formulation, put forward in the process of constructing HYPOTHESIS, suddenly began to be used as the basis for action taken, that is, not even theories are based on it, but directly some "truths", as if a hypothesis suddenly became equal to a fact.
                        Any statement is a hypothesis, and some probabilistic characteristic can be attributed to it, which is always greater than 0 and less than 1. And a court verdict that has entered into force is a hypothesis - the probability that it is true is less than 1. Since people have to somehow live with it and make decisions, then depending on the situation they accept some hypothesis as a working model of reality, and act in accordance with it. When you leave home in the morning, you don’t put a helmet on your head, although, strictly speaking, the probability that someone will drop a brick on your head from the roof is different from zero. It is on this acceptable measure of probability that they are indicated in the formulation of "highly likly". Hiley Likely, the brick will not fall on my head, so I won’t go to the helmet every day. But the working hypothesis is still a hypothesis, and always will be. This is even emphasized in the legal wording “beyound a reasonble doubt” and “balance of probabilities” with which court sentences are pronounced, and which mean that the evidence is true with some reasonable degree of probability.
                      2. Mikhail3 14 January 2020 14: 52 New
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                        Sir, it’s so nice to read all this ... As if to me again, as at the institute, instead of answering, they are trying to soar my brains with sci-fi nonsense. You see, if ANY statement can be accepted on a par with all others, without giving any EVIDENCE, then you can go outside in a helmet, this is equivalent to going out without it, according to your calculations.
                        That is the question, yes, all statements have a probabilistic spread. Only now, decisions were made beforehand based on the fact that evidence was enclosed under the statement in order to increase the probability characteristics to the level where it is already possible to make an informed decision. For example, if a brick wall is being repaired above your porch (a proven fact), then a helmet should be worn, right?
                        And the current problem is that this process was suddenly ruled out. Someone says - "Russia (apparently all at once) poisoned the Skripals!" and no evidence is needed anymore. The probabilistic characterization of an unproven statement is already accepted at 100%. About that and speech, imagine ?!
                        However, you already understand all this. Not ashamed?
                      3. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 14 January 2020 15: 10 New
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                        Quote: Mikhail3
                        And the current problem is that this process was suddenly ruled out.
                        The problem is that he was not excluded. He was yelled and screeched by the very methods where “high-likly” is such a very funny joke that you have to laugh at with the whole TV. What the British showed, for example, passports that differ in one digit, no one remembers. What they showed shooting from the streets, where tourists came twice in three days to see the spire, leaving in the opposite direction from the spire, without visiting anything else, they also forgot. In which direction does this all change the probabilistic characteristics of hypotheses? What about Russia? She showed two non-traditional fitness trainers who carried a nonsense, and did not detain them at least during the trial, as the Iranians are now arresting those involved in the downed Boeing, and instantly forgot about their existence. In which direction does this change the probabilistic characteristics of hypotheses?
                      4. Mikhail3 14 January 2020 16: 55 New
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                        Ep! The two of them applied for a passport! They have common business, so they filed it together, and their applications were examined at once, and they issued passports one after another! Well, all, the villainy is practically proved, it is necessary what shipien are terrible! Two days came to one place ... That's it. Only the NKVD killers do this !! What really is not ashamed? Darling, the inspection of the place of the act is not performed by the performers, so that, suddenly, they could not be sewn to the case. This makes the support team, the alphabet, even for thieves. 21st century in the yard.
                        You have a level for the audience of "Rain", and laughter and sin ...
                      5. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 14 January 2020 17: 20 New
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                        And all this behavior completely unsuspecting and normal for foreign trips, of course, coincided with the location of Skripal and the time of his poisoning, purely by accident, as the technical problems of the Boeing 737 accidentally coincided with the day of the missile attack and the territory of the country from where the attack was made. Somewhere here we have to make an assumption about a very unlikely coincidence that moves the probabilistic characteristics of hypotheses. You can continue to insist that these are all coincidences. Using the Boeing 737 as an example, it was clearly visible how inadequate a picture of the world this gives, and three days have not passed.
                      6. Mikhail3 15 January 2020 09: 16 New
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                        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        And all this is completely unsuspecting and normal for overseas travel behavior

                        Yes, it is absolutely unsuspecting. Suddenly. The "behavior" of passports is an indecent joke in general. I would have looked how you present this rotten man in a court of London. There would be people on the floor crawling with laughter ... And the guys came to the same place twice. How strange that they are not local, and knew only one dealer ...
                        You are definitely thrown from the "Rain". Of course, the audience there is looking forward to when we all who were taught in the USSR take a break. Then your "argumentation" among young people (whose brains are amputated on the network before they reach the age of 13) will go off with a bang ...
                      7. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 15 January 2020 13: 05 New
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                        Continue to explain everything in a row with pure coincidences, even when coincidences overlapping give as a result a probability tending to zero - this is not education, but an attempt to pass off wishful thinking. I have nothing more to add.
                      8. Mikhail3 15 January 2020 13: 37 New
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                        Coincidence of what with what ?! These people walked along the same streets as Squeaked. It's all. What a coincidence, what a childhood ...
                      9. NordUral 15 January 2020 16: 10 New
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                        Everything expressed by you, Vyacheslav Viktorovich, is exactly your case.
                2. Crystal of Truth 15 January 2020 11: 59 New
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                  What kind of guys are you talking about? Petrova with Boshirov or about Chepiga with Mishkin?
              2. intuzazist 16 January 2020 07: 14 New
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                My wife and my passports also differ in one number and name with a middle name !!! Everything else is exactly the same !!!! Even the last name !!!! And what? Are we spies of the GRU ?! Two friends applied for passports and got them together !!! And all the rest of your arguments in the toilet ......
            2. belfortuna 15 January 2020 11: 08 New
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              Sir, if we consider this global problem from the point of view of banal erudition, then each clearly expressed individual of critical, metaphysical abstraction cannot ignore the criterion of sentimentality built on the basis of utopian subjectivity ...
      2. tihonmarine 14 January 2020 11: 44 New
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        It would be nice for everyone if you could formulate your claims as clearly as possible based on a picture of reality

        But there is only one reality, the plane is shot down.
  2. major147 14 January 2020 12: 10 New
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    Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
    than he doesn’t like the wording Hiley Likely (she’s with a “high probability”). In my opinion, a person familiar with the principles of putting forward and testing hypotheses is a normal correct formulation. Many confuse the correct wording with uncertainty in their own words.

    The fact that on the basis of hypotheses "with a high degree of probability" specific convictions are passed, they are also "sanctions". That is, 100% evidence of guilt for a guilty verdict is no longer needed, a "presumption of innocence" on the side.
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  4. mister-red 14 January 2020 14: 37 New
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    In jurisprudence there is no such thing as "with a high degree of probability."
    There are versions and further proven and / or unproven versions. It's all.
    Politicians, of course, are not lawyers, and they can blurt out something like that. But then the phrase “Haili likes” should be preceded by at least some evidence that is intelligible to lawyers. Inche, this is called unfounded accusation.
    1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 14 January 2020 14: 55 New
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      Wrote above. The verdict of the court - this is exactly the same "Hailie Like". Only the utterance is a little longer - “beyond a reasonable doubt”, “beyond a reasonable doubt”.
  5. Lekz 20 January 2020 22: 37 New
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    A hypothesis is a statement that requires proof. Using a hypothesis as an argument is a sign of a lack of evidence.
    1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 21 January 2020 07: 25 New
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      Absolutely reliable knowledge does not exist; all judgments are hypotheses. Evidence only changes the degree of their credibility.
  • nznz 14 January 2020 12: 34 New
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    Does Occam shave? This is a woman. :)
  • Nikitich 14 January 2020 11: 26 New
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    There is a saying on this subject .... in the wrong eye ....
  • Krasnoyarsk 14 January 2020 11: 45 New
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    Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

    Only one thing surprises me - how did it happen in Russia that the sign of wisdom and insight was not the ability to rely on clear logic and methodically

    Well, show us your clear logic. Do you believe in the idiocy of Iranian air defense? I'm somehow not very. Ku will sell? - the wise used to say. Does Iran need it? And the mattresses? - Very much!
    In a word - wait, sir, your clear logic.
    But, it seems to me, it will be based on the idiocy of air defense specialists.
    1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 14 January 2020 14: 45 New
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      Well, show us your clear logic.
      I showed my clear logic on the first day of the disaster, when most of the distinguished commentators vied with each other to argue that Iran did not bring down the Boeing, and in general for the Boeing to fall spontaneously is absolutely normal, and therefore it was so. I said that the Iranians shot down by mistake, because the liners fly tens of thousands of 365 days a year, beat for technical reasons / pilot error / and so on 1-2 times a year, and it is unbelievable that the technical reasons coincided with the day of the missile attack and with the territory of the country that launched the missile attack. But people tend to make mistakes, and to all, and not just idiots. The statement that someone’s mistake means idiocy is nothing more than https://ru.rationalwiki.org/wiki/About the absurdity

      I continue to stick with this version. So far, my logic has passed the test of time, unlike.
      1. Krasnoyarsk 14 January 2020 15: 10 New
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        I continue to stick with this version.

        Which one? The fact that Pvoshniki - not and --- you, but someone "threw a felt boot on the console"?
        But, due to the fact that they do not wear boots lol , we can assume that this was a deliberate act. Who ordered?
        1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 14 January 2020 15: 32 New
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          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          it can be assumed that this was a deliberate act
          You have now broken Occam’s razor, although this probably doesn’t really bother you. But I am a simple person, I do not introduce new entities until a circumstance is discovered that will conflict with the past explanation that does not produce new entities.
  • Usher 14 January 2020 13: 06 New
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    And most importantly - although the airliner could indeed be shot down by Iranian air defense systems, it is possible that some external forces influenced the air defense system of the Islamic republic.
    Hooray, another conspiracy theory.

    What surprises me is one thing - how did it happen in Russia that the sign of wisdom and insight was not the ability to rely on clear logic and methodically assessed empirical data, but the ability to discern a double, triple or quadruple bottom in anything, dissolve conspiracy theories, and ultimately give rise to an invented, intricate world raping Occam's razor in a particularly perverse form?

    Do not breed, but simply follow another saying "who benefits from it." And Occam’s razor doesn’t work in geopolitics.
    1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 14 January 2020 14: 50 New
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      Quote: Usher
      Do not breed, but simply follow another saying "who benefits from it."
      This is a good rule of thumb, but it does not take into account that people are mistakenly able to do things that are completely unprofitable for them.

      Quote: Usher
      And Occam’s razor doesn’t work in geopolitics.
      This only proves that "geopolitics" is pseudoscience.
  • Ka-52 14 January 2020 14: 09 New
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    Vyacheslav Viktorovich (Vyacheslav) Today, 09:56
    rely on clear logic and methodically evaluated empirical data

    is it you from your couch who are able to understand the "logic" of the fall of the Ukrainian liner in Tehran, and even more so have the "empirical data" yourself, which you are going to methodically evaluate? belay
    1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 14 January 2020 15: 23 New
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      Yes. I put forward from my couch (on the grounds which I moderately described in detail) the version that the Boeing was shot down by Iranian air defense (by mistake), while it was argued here that the Boeing fell by itself, and it couldn’t be otherwise, and the United States now hangs all the dogs on Iran for technical problems. As you can see, it turns out relatively well. If this seems to you something banal and obvious, then you simply did not sit here for three days between the moments of the fall of the Boeing and the statement of Iran.
      1. Ka-52 15 January 2020 05: 40 New
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        I put forward from my couch (on the grounds which I moderately described in detail) the version that the Boeing shot down Iranian air defense (by mistake)

        ahh, but where did the "empirical data" come from? From the ceiling? Or did they sit in the hydraulic fracturing at the local ADP, KDP or TsKP? Do you have data with PPI? Then do not skimp - make it public.
        1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 15 January 2020 06: 08 New
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          “Empirical data” merely means “data based on experience,” that is, the source of which is reality, not speculation, not opinions presented as facts, and so on.

          I have as much data from all these abbreviations that you have listed as everyone, that is, zero. This does not mean that I cannot see, for example, how many planes fly daily, how many disasters happen, and use this information for probability estimates. The fact that such data is readily available does not reduce their value for analysis.

          Analytical abilities are determined not by how much information the reasoner has access to (everyone can make a correct conclusion, having the entirety of the information), but by how accurately he gives assessments, correctly using incomplete information.
          1. Ka-52 15 January 2020 11: 44 New
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            “Empirical data” merely means “data based on experience,” that is, the source of which is reality, not speculation, not opinions presented as facts, and so on.

            that's it. Empirical (I see you like to use this word) for analysis can only be data received from the IKO plus the crew of the RP (flight manager) or his deputies in the hydraulic fracturing (flight management group). In military aviation, these include RBZ and RDZ (near and far zone), RPZ (landing zone), OBU - combat control, etc. And in civil aviation, this function is performed by the senior dispatcher and dispatcher.
            In addition, the facts / arguments are the data obtained from the BUR (on-board recording devices), the conclusions of the examinations of materials scientists, chemists, aerodynamic operators, engine operators, etc.
            Everything else is finger-scan: versions, speculation, speculation.
            Therefore, there is no need to talk about the ability to logic and the availability of data.
            1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 15 January 2020 12: 44 New
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              Quote: Ka-52
              Therefore, there is no need to talk about the ability to logic and the availability of data.
              For me, the criterion of truth is practice. The assessment, confirmed in practice subsequently, means the presence of an adequate picture of the world. Incorrect assessment or refusal to give an assessment means the lack of an adequate picture of the world. In science, this principle is known as https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explanatory_theory_theory
            2. Ka-52 16 January 2020 05: 01 New
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              For me, the criterion of truth is practice.

              I have devoted almost 35 years of life to long-range aviation. And then I do not climb with statements about "practice" and "empirical data." What do you have in your “practice” baggage?
            3. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 16 January 2020 06: 30 New
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              I wrote in the previous answer - practice works as a criterion, when after a while it confirms or refutes the earlier given assessment. This is the meaning of the expression "practice is the criterion of truth." And what you are talking about is called https://ru.rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
            4. Ka-52 16 January 2020 13: 50 New
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              I wrote in a previous answer - practice works as a criterion

              WHAT PRACTICE? What are you doing verbiage? I specifically asked you: “Are you the current ADP dispatcher? Flight manager? Are you an OBU officer? If not, if all your“ data ”is taken from the head or pulled from the ceiling - what the hell are you talking about with your thoughtful mine about your ability to operate on facts and based on them conclude? Your statements were and will be VERSION, because such a narrow circle of persons owns the detailed information that you and your sofa definitely don’t get into it. On sim hi
            5. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 16 January 2020 13: 58 New
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              Quote: Ka-52
              Your statements have been and will be VERSION
              Thank you for report. I wrote about this ten more comments ago:

              Quote: Ka-52
              what the hell are you talking with a thoughtful mine about some sort of your ability to operate on facts and draw conclusions from them?
              Wrote about this ten comments ago:
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    that the sign of wisdom and insight was not the ability to rely on clear logic and methodically evaluated empirical data,

    Here explain to us who read this article, where is the logic? In the behavior of Iran, in the behavior of Canada and the USA, in the behavior of Ukraine? Or do you think the logic is that all the Persians are bloodthirsty villains and they sleep and see how more people would be killed? Then why didn’t they bring down all the planes? Or would you just come to the airport and kill everyone? And cheap and cheerful?
    1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 14 January 2020 22: 03 New
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      The logic is that it is human nature to make mistakes. Above in this thread I answered in more detail.
  • belfortuna 15 January 2020 11: 12 New
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    It is certainly true, not just like that, but not only that they say
    they say, but still of course, here for every word do not take it, then
    no more than if, but by the way, I agree with you.
  • Nirag013 19 January 2020 09: 58 New
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    "... raping Occam's razor in a particularly perverse form?" (c)
    Bravo! This is a masterpiece - how can I imagine raping a razor ... how terrible it is to live! Ockham clearly did not imagine such a use of his razor! laughing
  • Nyrobsky 14 January 2020 11: 46 New
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    Quote: SRC P-15
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    And the fact that half were "Canadians"?

    Well, not the Americans!

    This is where the dog must have rummaged. The plane took off with an hour delay, allegedly due to a problem with loading luggage. A good half of Canadians (those still friends of Iran), among whom, I suppose, were not only music or botany teachers studying the flora and fauna of Iran, but also those who were very interested in Iran’s nuclear subjects and something “interesting” could get aboard with them the plane. I don’t know how the crew is inspected before departure from the international airport (except for medical examinations), but given that the crew was Ukrainian, it is possible that “this something” got on board with their participation while any Canadian baggage was being stolen at the airport . If this “something” was fundamentally important, it is clear that Iran could not allow “it” to leave its territory on a flying plane and solve the problem as it decided and took responsibility for what happened. Probably the Canadian sp.Sluzhby for this reason and showed excessive activity and noise on the air, because bummer happened when the deal was practically implemented. Well, that's it, as a version ... winked
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      The key question is, why did they take it? You answer this. There are few versions of many answers
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        The key question is, why did they take it? You answer this. There are few versions of many answers

        Responsibility for flight safety still lies with Iran, since it is its sky. And actually, one cannot exclude some sort of agreement between the special services of the countries concerned, where, in exchange for recognition, the other side also incurs certain obligations. They still won’t tell us about it, but there are really a lot of oddities.
        1. Maestro 14 January 2020 16: 02 New
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          ... why did they confess?

          they talk about 3-day talks between the Iranians and π-indos in Switzerland ... The fact that Iran began to "sprinkle ashes on its head" vigorously indicates that they almost promised the "mountains of gold" for this ...
    2. serg123 14 January 2020 13: 17 New
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      Not very version, because could cheat on the plane and / or prevent the take-off.
    3. Mavrikiy 14 January 2020 16: 29 New
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      Yes there were "nerds" from Germany and England. And the teams are big 76, 10, 10. Everything is fine, but where is the logic, brother. Iran overtook the engine with its scream, it's me! Terrorists are not the enemies of humanity controlled by the state. They could turn arrows on them. A photo of the Thor fairing under the fence of an "old friend" is ridiculous. I do not believe! Iran did not behave professionally for the East.
      The Boeing could also be overwhelmed by the Americans, from an airplane or a missile launcher; range will allow them, why, and I know? For example, punish Canada. After the assassination of Suleimani, they were flushed from Iraq.
  • Santa Fe 14 January 2020 09: 58 New
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    And the fact that half were "Canadians"?

    What canadians are they

    90% of those on board are Iranians with passports of Iran and other countries

    They flew home to Iran to visit relatives
    1. tihonmarine 14 January 2020 11: 45 New
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      They flew home to Iran to visit relatives

      And in this, that is.
  • Krasnoyarsk 14 January 2020 11: 39 New
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    And the fact that half were "Canadians"?

    Canadian citizens of Iranian descent.
  • DMM2006 14 January 2020 21: 45 New
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    Three Canadians, not half. Three more British. Five or six Ukrainians. The rest are Iranians.
    Something like this ...
  • New Year day 14 January 2020 10: 06 New
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    And I believe that if it weren’t for the most part that Iranians were flying and the plane wasn’t Ukrainian, then this disaster would not have happened!

    without a doubt, they chose the most “defenseless” aircraft and flight in terms of consequences. If the staff flew, there would be nothing.
    There is a version. that they shot down especially for sweeps in the IRGC: the military will try to limit the autonomy and autocracy of the IRGC. This is confirmed by unverified data on the allegedly ongoing "arrests of dozens of officers" of the Guard Corps after this tragedy.
    1. SRC P-15 14 January 2020 10: 07 New
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      Quote: Silvestr
      without a doubt, they chose the most “defenseless” aircraft and flight in terms of consequences. If the staff flew, there would be nothing.

      Totally agree with you! hi
      1. New Year day 14 January 2020 10: 12 New
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        Quote: SRC P-15
        Totally agree with you!

        the logic of the following events shows that all this is not an accident and the Iranian authorities could very well win! For example, landing Rust in Red Square! hi
        1. bessmertniy 14 January 2020 11: 44 New
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          Just a series of inconsistencies once leads to a pattern, and then the civilian side is shot down. what And inconsistencies after the crash - this is more of an emotion. And in this situation, Iran did the right thing, that he quickly admitted his guilt. This immediately cut off the excess part of emotions and enabled experts to soberly investigate. Including Ukrainian.
        2. tihonmarine 14 January 2020 11: 47 New
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          For example, landing Rust in Red Square!

          More likely to be YES.
          1. Snail N9 14 January 2020 12: 38 New
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            Here is the trajectory of the plane. He turned almost 180 degrees before falling. Why? Perhaps there was a fire in the engine and the plane changed course to return to the airport and, at the same time, went to a military base .... Can anyone have any more options?
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              Perhaps there was a fire in the engine and the plane changed course to return to the airport and went, at the same time, to a military base.

              And at the same time did not say a word on the air.
  • Oleg1515 14 January 2020 13: 39 New
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    That seems to be true. Ukraine, Malaysia are harmless victims.
  • Maestro 14 January 2020 15: 52 New
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    Almost everyone has such capabilities to suppress the ADS-B signal. It is small enough to “make noise" at a frequency of 1090 MHz near the position of the Thor, and the guidance operator will be misled regarding the belonging of the target to "civil aviation".
  • Cut Samshitov 14 January 2020 09: 35 New
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    Too often a bunch of downed liner + Ukraine appears.
  • qQQQ 14 January 2020 09: 37 New
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    If we recall from history examples where a downed plane abruptly changed the political situation, it is quite possible that it was framed.
  • SOVIET UNION 2 14 January 2020 09: 44 New
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    Ours (or the Syrians) also had a similar case. During the attack, the Israelis shot down their plane. In theory, after such cases, organizational conclusions should follow for the non-repetition of such situations. It is interesting to know the opinion of professionals in this matter. Is a warning system for such situations possible or is the air defense system itself simply programmed for such errors and will they be repeated again?
    1. spectr 14 January 2020 09: 57 New
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      There are two options: not cheap and controversial.
      1. Not cheap. Introduce civil interrogators into military systems and receive concomitant haemorrhoids in the form of support for authorized corridors and current flights.
      2. Controversial. Combine civil and military systems into one network. This may affect the privacy regime at military facilities.
  • New Year day 14 January 2020 09: 45 New
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    But it is precisely the moment of the shooting and the astounding composure of the host, who was practically unemotional and was almost not surprised at the missile getting into the plane, and it makes you wonder from strange things.

    I mentioned it yesterday, there are no random people on the roof of the house at 6-00 in the morning. A plane or something like that was waiting.
    With regards to the "Ukrainian" - so the country without weight and its own opinion, will not kick, again the flight is the cheapest, passengers are not lords and peers, do not mind. When a plane shot down over Dondass, a similar pattern. Malaysia- who is it and where?
    NOT accidentally shot down
    1. Barmaleyka 14 January 2020 09: 54 New
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      Quote: Silvestr
      random people on the roof of the house at 6-00 in the morning does not happen.

      all the more so when they’re shooting the night sky on the phone, I have seen meteors many times but have never managed to take the moment of the “star’s” fall
    2. Strashila 14 January 2020 10: 41 New
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      “I mentioned it yesterday, there are no random people on the roof of the house at 6-00 in the morning. They were waiting for an airplane or something like that.” And the American satellite flew by accident at that moment.
      1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 14 January 2020 15: 50 New
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        and the American satellite flew by accident at that moment.
        This is a satellite warning of a missile attack, it would be very strange if he needed to fly to an enemy rocket to work before it was launched.
    3. blackcat 14 January 2020 10: 42 New
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      In principle, this point can be explained: those who shot down for the report filmed how they shot down an American rocket
    4. Romka 14 January 2020 13: 13 New
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      Everything is simpler here. In Iran, they expected a retaliatory strike after the missiles launched on Iraq. Here is one one and waited for the type of "director himself." And remember the Tu154 crash in Sochi, there was also a mobile video of the night sky. There is no need for "conspiracy theories," and recognition of the tragic mistake is not a sign of weakness.
  • knn54 14 January 2020 09: 45 New
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    The “strangeness” is the sixth, there were no anti-Russian slogans, which earlier in Iran repeatedly slipped ...
  • Berber 14 January 2020 09: 47 New
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    I think the intelligence services of Iran and the United States have agreed. This was done so as not to create another problem for Boeing. Boeing's bankruptcy is minus 1% of US GDP, and this, if not mistaken, is 20 billion. And you need to consider the "domino effect" that will follow. Therefore, there are no incriminating speeches of the West, etc.
    1. major147 14 January 2020 12: 24 New
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      I think the intelligence services of Iran and the United States have agreed.

      At the crash site they found the head of a rocket, almost a whole .... after its explosion!

      The BerBer version has a right to exist. Especially if Merikos themselves will pay through Iran all the prescribed payments to the victims and compensate Iran for its reputational losses + some other "pluses".
      1. nznz 14 January 2020 12: 40 New
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        But why should Boeing save Iran?
        1. major147 14 January 2020 12: 42 New
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          But why should Boeing save Iran?

          Depends on the "goodies." Everything has a price.
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            against the background of previous events, it’s more than strange from the enemy to want some goodies. There is something we don’t know about yet. Well, for example, a secret employee important to Amers flew this plane. But he was removed from the plane, the rest was taken over. And the States realized that this paoitet was achieved for the general of the murdered. All with their own.
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              Quote: nznz
              against the background of previous events, it is more than strange from the enemy to want some goodies.

              There are all sorts of cases. And the rest, maybe later, we will find out ...
            2. Berber 14 January 2020 12: 59 New
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              The Iranians, for all their positive dispositions, do not want to fight. The population (mostly young people) looks back at the "west". What is called the "revolutionary situation". Shiite radicalism, as an idea is already tired and the leadership of Iran understands that reforms are needed, for which there is no time. So delaying the conflict is pretty good for Iran.
    2. Romka 14 January 2020 13: 23 New
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      ДI think the intelligence services of Iran and the United States have agreed. This was done so as not to create another problem for Boeing. Boeing's bankruptcy is minus 1% of US GDP, and this, if not mistaken, is 20 billion. And you need to consider the "domino effect" that will follow. Therefore, there are no incriminating speeches of the West, etc.
      What a brilliant hypothesis! Let me guess, because there were no Americans on the moon, and whatever that was discovered, they began to supply us with grain and built KamAZ. what
      1. Berber 14 January 2020 13: 40 New
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        I agree. Seem to be. But honestly I was not thinking about that. There is still a plot with our submarine Kursk. In my opinion, the sum of 3 billion dollars sounded there. Americans, just like that, do not part with dollars. Democracy, as a national idea, is a good cover for the commercial interests of the top of the United States. And so - just traders without a conscience. It is necessary to proceed from this.
        1. Romka 14 January 2020 14: 17 New
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          Do not bother. I already wrote: nobody wants a real war. Neither Iran, nor the United States, nor the European Union are ready "the whole world to ruin." That is why the emphasis was placed on the word "accidentally." And the "tops" benefit only from "tension" - this is enough for new military orders.
  • JonnyT 14 January 2020 09: 47 New
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    An exchange took place, and Iran decided to release everything on the brakes, taking the blame upon itself. The operator was ready for the shooting of the Boeing, reminiscent of a shooting when the Turks shot down our sou. The main question remains how they provoked the launch of a rocket on an airplane. Maybe a signature not characteristic of the aircraft, or dancing with a transponder
  • Barmaleyka 14 January 2020 09: 51 New
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    there are many more oddities than five, and they do not begin with the “repentance” of Iran, but with the murder of Suleimani, who launched a chain of subsequent events that, as I understand it, are far from over
    ps the latest Ukrainian gallop also did not portend cardinal changes in world relations
  • Gardamir 14 January 2020 09: 52 New
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    When a person doubts, then he thinks. This is why the article is a plus.
  • Vlad5307 14 January 2020 09: 53 New
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    The next provocation of the Anglo-Saxons to the BV and NE in order to exclude the influence of Iran and Russia on the processes taking place there to remove the influence of the FSA in the region, as a response to the actions of the Russian Federation in Syria and in general on the BV.
  • New Year day 14 January 2020 09: 55 New
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    Ex-chief of the anti-aircraft missile forces Special Forces Command of the Russian Air Force Sergey Khatylev:
    “the head of the 9M330 missile system of the Tor air defense system, judging by the pictures published on the Web, lay almost under the plane in an exceptionally good, perfectly painted state. Moreover, any civilian aircraft is equipped with transponders, communicates with controllers, and the military cannot to know what kind of object it is. Seven cases of the destruction of aircraft by American actions have been recorded since 1978. A whole technique is emerging.
    One of the first to announce a version of a missile strike on a plane in Canada, which does not have space intelligence equipment. “Only the USA and Russia have it, and everyone else has purchased information. Only we and the Americans can confirm that some actions were carried out. But we are silent! Only Americans claim. The Tor missile, which has a 12-kilometer limit of range, could fly to this plane for no longer than one second. How in one second could a satellite detect two missile launches that hit that particular plane? This causes no doubt, but stormy emotions. This is not a diversion, it is arranged to blame Iran for everything and make it confess. Perhaps the Iranians assessed the situation and went for less evil so as not to go for more. ”
    1. SOVIET UNION 2 14 January 2020 10: 11 New
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      And what happens? Is the plane Iranian twin towers? And whose hand? Iran or the USA? Iran demonstrated the defectiveness of the state systems, and did the states poke their nose at the imperfection of the Iranian system? In Iraq, many soldiers were bribed. Is a similar process going on in Iran? Golden donkey defeats the next country?
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      Quote: Silvestr
      Ex-chief of the anti-aircraft missile forces of the Special Forces Command of the Russian Air Force Sergey Khatylev:


      Also an expert for me, all these statements are more like propaganda, even in the State Duma they were outraged that you are Iranians at all? we in our media otmazyvayut-otmazyvayut, and you take it and admit it (not verbatim of course, but the meaning is something like this). According to the statement of this expert, as far as I remember, there were different photos on the subject of the 9M330 missile system of the Tor air defense missile system on the network, and how reliable photographs are also a question. In any case, experts will work at the scene of the disaster, who will give an answer already by the result, and not by guessing on photos from the Internet. It also became clear with the transponder, the missile hit the cockpit, and of course that after that the signal disappeared, until that moment everything went on normally, the signal worked - there was communication with the dispatchers. Well, regarding intelligence ... the fact that Canada cooperates with the United States and receives intelligence from them. data, I think the news for no one will. And most importantly, what is the expert’s conclusion? everything is fine-tuned (s) but in fact? The IRGC shot down the plane by mistake, and therefore recognized and repented. The fact that the missiles were fired by Iran’s air defense is beyond doubt, if an American missile were found at the site of the wreckage, do you think Iran would be silent like that now? Yes, he would be the first to throw off all responsibility in the USA. And so they have nowhere to go.
      1. New Year day 14 January 2020 10: 23 New
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        Quote: Aleksandr21
        experts work at the crash site

        no doubt, but if there are no specialists in the country, then they are invited, in their case, Iran handed over the boxes to France for decryption.
        And then, don’t you find it strange to find rocket fragments in almost the same places, if not in one?


        Here is the fall territory

        and lie on the fence
        They are painfully demonstratively lying. And if they were so laid? And then who are the experts?
        1. Aleksandr21 14 January 2020 10: 41 New
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          Quote: Silvestr
          indisputably, but if there are no specialists in the country, they are invited, in their case, Iran handed over the boxes to France for decryption.
          And then, don’t find it strange to find rocket fragments in almost the same places, if not in one


          Strangeness is present, but it does not change the overall picture. If these photos are genuine, then someone really put them like that. But this does not mean that the plane crashed for some other reason? There is a video that shows that a missile hits the plane, and traces (in other photos) of the wreckage that are characteristic of a missile entering. So the technical factor is clearly discarded here, especially since the connection with the controllers of the pilots disappeared after a missile hit (as the media write), as well as the signal from the transponder. those. if there was a problem with the engine or something else, then the pilots would clearly be able to contact the dispatcher if they were alive. Therefore, the fact that it was a rocket for me is at least obvious. Especially after the statement of Iran, before that I had sinned for the terrorist attack, but since the IRGC took responsibility and admitted a mistake, then everything fell into place. And on the topic of boxes, the Iranians tried to decrypt them, but could not, so where should they go? At the very beginning, they themselves wanted to decipher these boxes, but their qualifications and equipment do not allow them to do this.
        2. Strashila 14 January 2020 10: 45 New
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          “And if they were laid like that?” and this is possible, the stuccion has mass and had speed, and not small when in contact with the surface, and there is no groove from falling.
        3. Aleksandr21 14 January 2020 11: 13 New
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          And again, even if we assume that all this was planned by Western countries, then why? What will it give them? Iran, and so under sanctions, Trump promised to lead new ones because of the shelling of American bases in Iraq, other countries will also join this, since not only Americans were at the bases, but very many from the international coalition (NATO countries) and it turns out that the sanctions are against In any case, Iran is leading new ones, not to mention the old ones, which they do not plan to shoot. What other versions can be? Spoil relations with Canada / Ukraine - Iran? Iranians were not friends with Canada anyway, and they would have made friends. With Ukraine, this is also not a country for the sake of which such a complicated scheme should be fenced. Therefore, I don’t see such a profit here, sanctions are already leading, relations with Canada were already so bad, with Ukraine it will deteriorate, of course, but not critically, the Iranians will pay compensation, and over time this story will be smoothed out if not forgotten. Of course, one can recall more about the protests in Iran, but it was mainly relatives and friends of the victims who went out into the street, and there were very, very few of them. So the version is also so-so .... but Iran’s air defense error, this is a very likely scenario, as they say in fear, the eyes are large, and on that day the Iranian armed forces had something to worry about.
        4. tihonmarine 14 January 2020 11: 56 New
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          They are painfully demonstratively lying. And if they were so laid? And then who are the experts?

          But in reality this cannot be.
        5. major147 14 January 2020 12: 30 New
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          experts work at the crash site

          .... Ukrainian, who will confirm any version indicated by him.
          and lie on the fence

          even the wheels did not bend from the explosion and fall .....
        6. vladcub 14 January 2020 20: 10 New
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          Sylvester, it’s all wrong and wrong: how could the Americans arrange this near Tehran?
      2. Sergey Medvedev 14 January 2020 11: 42 New
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        if an American rocket were found at the site of the wreckage,

        At the crash site of the Malaysian Boeing, a Ukrainian missile was discovered. So what?
    3. Alex_59 14 January 2020 11: 47 New
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      Quote: Silvestr
      One of the first to announce a version of a missile strike on a plane in Canada, which does not have space intelligence equipment. “Only the USA and Russia have it, and everyone else has purchased information.

      I don’t understand how space intelligence can help determine the causes of the disaster? It seems that the satellites have been confused with God in connection with the flight altitude. The only option when an AES could help is a situation where a special reconnaissance satellite (first of all, an optical reconnaissance satellite, to a lesser extent it could be a passive radio reconnaissance satellite) flies over the desired area in just a few seconds, in which a catastrophic situation develops. And the lenses of his cameras will be directed just to the scene of the disaster. Accordingly, the time when a reconnaissance satellite of a country is located over this piece of land where the plane fell is about 2-3 hours a day. Therefore, the likelihood that any of these satellites could capture the moment of the disaster is on the strength of 0,125. A satellite is a flying vehicle with a wild speed of 7,8 km / s at an altitude of 300-400 km minimum. He does not know how to "hang" over the desired area for hours like in Hollywood films.
      The Tor missile, which has a 12-kilometer limit of range, could fly to this plane for no longer than one second.
      The fastest flying missile in the world - the 53T6 missile is able to overcome 10 km in 3 seconds from the start. If the Torah missiles fly faster, covering 12 km in less than a second, then I think it draws to the Nobel Prize for new types of mixed solid fuels.
  • anjey 14 January 2020 09: 55 New
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    and the general informational background of the event leaves no doubt that the death of the liner was least beneficial to the Iranian leadership.
    Unless there is a split in this manual and some of the leaders embarked on a conspiracy with the United States and then they could be knocked down deliberately to rock and activate further the color revolution, moreover, the bulk of the passengers are Iranian students, many with Canadian citizenship and the student masses are the main force Iran’s opposition, as recent events have shown.
    The discrediting of the Iranian government is in full swing.
    1. New Year day 14 January 2020 10: 10 New
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      ... there is a split in this guide ...

      and protect the IRGC!
      1. Sulejmani killed- here are rockets in clean land and ... all
      2. They shoot down the plane and accuse the IRGC — and Suleimani is no longer there; there is no one to protect the IRGC.
      3. Quickly admit their guilt - there is undoubtedly an agreement with the USA and Europe, since none of them requires Iran’s "blood".
      What remains is the main thing- in exchange for WHAT the Iranians shot down a Ukrainian plane?
  • Ru_Na 14 January 2020 09: 55 New
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    You need to search among those who benefit from it! In this particular case, Iran from this situation received only a bunch of problems, you can call the United States the beneficiary, but it somehow strangely subsided, Israel is quieter than water, lower than grass, even Ukraine, except for a couple of screeching squeals, was silent, in general, really some kind of strange situation!
  • Semurg 14 January 2020 10: 23 New
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    So I understand those who drowned for Iran, that it was not he who shot down, smoothly flowed into the desiccators of various conspiracy theories. I’ll throw one more theory, the aliens from Nubiru knocked down the Boeing so that a war would start faster they’re running out of time for the movie “about savages from the ground”, but something went wrong and the states did not take out a couple of bases in response to the shelling and the Iranians quickly recognized themselves guilty of shooting down a Boeing. Trump with ayatola know something bully
    1. Semurg 14 January 2020 10: 43 New
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      I’ll throw another theory. Boeing knocked down the Chinese they are not profitable confrontation in the Persian Gulf which entails an increase in the cost of oil. An increase in oil price of 10 bucks minus five to six yards from the Chinese economy. So they cut the Gordian knot of the growing spiral of confrontation between the United States and Iran (oil exporters), knocking down a Boeing. Similarly, the United States (at that time an oil importer), having shot down an Iranian plane, helped to end the war between Iran and Iraq and reduce the price of oil. bully You can throw a few more crazy theories.
  • rocket757 14 January 2020 10: 31 New
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    THE CONSEQUENCE WILL BE UNDERSTANDED!
    Temper the imagination should be many ....
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      Quote: rocket757
      CONSEQUENCE
      request repeat
      I beg of you........!!!!! lol
      1. rocket757 14 January 2020 12: 40 New
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        We will see. If there is a place to be, a tragic accident, there is no sense in hiding something.
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          Quote: rocket757
          We will see. If there is a place to be, a tragic accident, there is no sense in hiding something.

          Oh, I don’t know .....
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            I don’t know either, but I don’t want to guess at all.
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              Quote: rocket757
              I don’t know either, but I don’t want to guess at all.

              In the future, maybe we will find out the truth ..... or maybe not.
  • Professor 14 January 2020 10: 35 New
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    Iran's swift repentance
    The proprietors secured the Persians against the wall and there was no point in unlocking them further. Rocket debris, holes in the fuselage, shrapnel in the bodies, video of the rocket launch .. The Persians realized that it was cheaper to recognize the fact and pay compensation. The Russian Federation paid for the Malaysian Boeing 100 times more than any compensation and no end and edge is visible.

    Video too sharp

    Nothing too clear. Normal video. Such a sea when shooting much more emotional events.

    The strange behavior of the Canadian intelligence
    At first, they did not have information, but a day later they received this information. Nothing strange.

    January 12 rally

    Rallies were before that. At this rally, students were outraged that the people lied about the plane.

    Black boxes

    There are no necessary laboratories in Tehran, and therefore the boxes were sent abroad. Surprising France as a choice. Boeing is American and should be sent to the United States.
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      In France, there is a Boeing branch with a laboratory, so they sent it there
    2. Alex_59 14 January 2020 12: 40 New
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      Quote: Professor
      The proprietors secured the Persians against the wall and there was no point in unlocking them further.
      Like Israel in February 1973. If they hadn’t fastened, they probably would have unlocked further. As, for example, the French in the case of the SE-210 have been unlocked for 40 years.
      Quote: Professor
      The Russian Federation paid for the Malaysian Boeing 100 times more than any compensation and no end and edge is visible.
      And if the Russian Federation did not shoot down the Ukrainian Boeing?
      1. Professor 14 January 2020 13: 52 New
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        Quote: Alex_59
        Quote: Professor
        The proprietors secured the Persians against the wall and there was no point in unlocking them further.
        Like Israel in February 1973. If they hadn’t fastened, they probably would have unlocked further. As, for example, the French in the case of the SE-210 have been unlocked for 40 years.

        No. Israel immediately admitted that he brought down. Moreover, he paid compensation to a hostile state.

        Quote: Alex_59
        And if the Russian Federation did not shoot down the Ukrainian Boeing?

        We heard this song.
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          And if the Russian Federation did not shoot down the Ukrainian Boeing?


          We heard this song.



          Why - they heard - Russia is to blame - because it is bad.
          So what?
        2. Alex_59 14 January 2020 14: 11 New
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          Israel immediately admitted that he brought down

          Lies. Israel recognized three days later. lol
          Quote: Professor
          Moreover, he paid compensation to a hostile state.

          But this is true. Paid.
          Quote: Professor
          We heard this song.

          So we heard too. As you know, everything bad in the universe is done by "evil Ruski Ivan"
    3. Olezhek 14 January 2020 13: 48 New
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      The Russian Federation paid for the Malaysian Boeing 100 times more than any compensation and no end and edge is visible.


      Listen, why aren’t they like Israel very much in BV?
      It seems to be a good country?

      Roughly the same thing - a Malaysian plane - is like an attack on a radio station in Gleivitz, arson of the Reichstag, or an incident in the Gulf of Tonkin
      Dumb setup.
      Like the Salisbury Incident.

      There was a game against Russia and the airliner was recorded at a cost
      something like that.
      This did not affect the sanctions.
      It was as if an explanation, but not the reason
    4. Olezhek 14 January 2020 13: 50 New
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      The Russian Federation paid for the Malaysian Boeing 100 times more than any compensation and no end and edge is visible.


      professor you would not repeat the nonsense broadcast by the western yellow press
      he be there, but it's a little for cattle.
    5. Olezhek 14 January 2020 14: 00 New
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      The Persians realized that it was cheaper to recognize the fact and pay compensation.


      in fact, sanctions were introduced against them
      As if already
      And as if continuous
      And they don’t care for any consequences already
      Especially the US exit from a nuclear deal

      THOSE. Iran has nothing special to lose - oil is blocked and everything is on the brink of war.
      Moreover, the US does not need any reason for attack.
    6. Ka-52 14 January 2020 14: 21 New
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      The proprietors secured the Persians against the wall and there was no point in unlocking them further. Fragments of a rocket, holes in the fuselage, shrapnel in bodies, video of a rocket launch ..

      at one time, material evidence did not stop the non-brothers from rejecting the version of the defeat of flight SBI1812 by the S-200 air defense missile.
  • Strashila 14 January 2020 10: 51 New
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    Iran acknowledged the obvious fact of launching a rocket.
    But there is no clarity of the picture of the event.
    Not the coordination of military and civil controllers?
    Failure on Ukrainian aircraft systems that turned it into an unidentified target?
    After the events of 9/11, civil liners began to be treated differently with everything.
    Therefore, we must wait for the conclusion of the decryption commission.
    What was primary.
    1. Olezhek 14 January 2020 13: 49 New
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      Iran acknowledged the obvious fact of launching a rocket.
      But there is no clarity of the picture of the event.


      And we are unlikely to find out the truth
      1. Strashila 14 January 2020 14: 40 New
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        "And we are unlikely to find out the truth," the "official" version of the events will be announced, and how much it will correspond to realities is an open question.
    2. Strashila 14 January 2020 16: 51 New
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      for those who are minus.
      Why is it important "what was primary."
      Sentinel according to the charter a person is not touched.
      If the sentry used a weapon and someone was killed, then an investigation is being conducted on the reasons and the legitimacy of the use of weapons. It is very important how validation will be objective otherwise the consequences will be more disastrous.
      The operator of the air defense complex is exactly the same watch, he has instructions and instructions.
      Now we need to figure out how much he acted in accordance with these instructions and whether he was actually guilty.
      On the issue of catastrophic consequences.
      Everyone knows the Smolensk plane crash.
      What preceded it.
      Exactly the same situation where the aircraft commander. remained the commander to the end, made a decision and took off the plane. All remained alive.
      The result, he was punished and suspended.
      The final result, the president of Poland with his retinue was killed, the commander of the side, the rumpled experience and consequences for his predecessors, went about the high-ranking authorities.
      This is important to understand.
  • Avior 14 January 2020 11: 38 New
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    Rallies in Iran are different from past
    Young people demand the ayatola’s resignation; there were many students on the plane, both among Iranians and Canadians who came from Iran in fact.
    The media write that the 80-year-old Ayatola has serious health problems, and that they can really re-elect him, there is such a mechanism
    In addition, all this is on the eve of the elections to the local parliament, and the situation after the elections can change significantly
    1. Ua3qhp 15 January 2020 16: 00 New
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      The position of the TOP MANAGER is elected; he can be replaced at any time by the COUNCIL OF EXPERTS (see. Wiki). Ayatollah has nothing to do with it.
      1. Avior 15 January 2020 17: 27 New
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        Ayatollah is now this supreme leader, why not?
        He can be re-elected
        1. Ua3qhp 15 January 2020 18: 59 New
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          Ayatollah (Arabic: آية الله - a sign of Allah) - the honorary titles of Shiite theologians (mujtahids) who have the right to independently make decisions on Islamic law on the basis of the Jafarite law school (madhhab) [1].
          The Council of Experts (Pers. مجلس خبرگان - Majlis-e Hebregan) is a special state body in Iran that elects the country's top leader. The Expert Council consists of 86 Mujahideen elected by the population for an eight-year term. The Council meets for two days twice a year. The Council of Experts consists of reputable Muslim lawyers, who, in accordance with Article 107 of the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Iran, are responsible for determining the Supreme Leader of the Islamic Republic. The duration of each Council, whose members are elected by election and direct and secret ballot of the people, is eight years. The Council of Experts also announced that the number of council members should be 88 people, according to the first and second articles of the internal regulation. In accordance with the constitution, the Council of Experts is a fully elected, non-appointed body. Due to the great responsibility in the process of selecting a leader, the Council of Experts has independence that no other body possesses, and in accordance with Article 108 of the Constitution, it has the right to independent regulation so that no institution can influence this small but strategically important parliament. The council always has an urgent group to discuss leadership choices in case of unforeseen circumstances [1].
          1. Avior 15 January 2020 19: 19 New
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            Thanks, but I know that.
            By the word ayatollah in relation to Iran, they have long meant a specific ayatollah-ayatollah Ali Khomenei
            I wrote about him.
            1. Ua3qhp 15 January 2020 20: 03 New
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              Possible.
              In the language of this site, Ayatollah is the title.
              Supreme ruler - position.
              But probably generalize. although by and large this is not very true.
  • bandabas 14 January 2020 11: 51 New
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    The largest version is the one who pressed the “button”, recruited by someone. I served in air defense 20 years ago, but even then I would have figured out where the "board" flies from. And he flew from the center of the country.
    1. major147 14 January 2020 12: 37 New
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      Quote: bandabas
      recruited by someone.

      How is the “supreme measure” being implemented in Iran?
      1. Alexey LK 17 January 2020 04: 52 New
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        Quote: major147
        How is the “supreme measure” being implemented in Iran?

        Face in the carpet, shoot in the back of the head - like that.
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          Quote: Alexey LK
          Face in the carpet, shoot in the back of the head - like that.

          And it was worth going to recruitment because of this !?
  • Starshina wmf 14 January 2020 12: 05 New
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    Nothing will happen. Everything will remain as before.
  • Operator 14 January 2020 13: 10 New
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    The key question is: when did the Boeing transponder signal disappear - before the launch of the Thor rocket or after?
  • Shchors take it 14 January 2020 13: 58 New
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    Iranians stupidly framed, do not go to a fortuneteller!
    1. A drone in the area of ​​flight of a Boeing
    2. Deactivation of the civilian side recognition system
    3. An incomprehensible change in the course of the Ukrainian side
    4. Small facts that in total give an interested party ... well, you understand who I am talking about;
  • AndreyS 14 January 2020 14: 22 New
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    Hmm .... I read all the comments and saw something interesting. There is not one person who understands the essence of the question. Yesterday, discussing the destruction of this side at work, I heard from one comrade who said that he served on such a Torah that "... in the Thor system, a civilian side cannot be shot down a priori, because in order to bring him down, you need to press the button allowing the strike on the civilian side, which closed with a blister and sealed ... ". What time! It follows from this whether the transponder did not work for the Ukrainian plane (and it was not recognized as a civilian), or the Iranians are slobbery there like in a “ruin”, or indeed, as one comrade wrote in the commentary, the operator was bought by an interested party.
  • nikvic46 14 January 2020 15: 34 New
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    Many commentators cite a high level of tension. It would be much easier to close all departures on this day. But this is more likely about a fire and a pump.
  • parusnik 14 January 2020 16: 13 New
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    Can wait for the decryption of the contents of the black boxes?
  • Astra wild 14 January 2020 17: 48 New
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    Author, do you want to say that in the case of the Ukrainian Boeing there are many non-connections?
    You listed 5 oddities, but you forgot one more and the most important thing: Iran’s interest-free openness and prompt arrest of those responsible. This is the main oddity!
  • Astra wild 14 January 2020 17: 54 New
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    Quote: Shchors take it
    Iranians stupidly framed, do not go to a fortuneteller!
    1. A drone in the area of ​​flight of a Boeing
    2. Deactivation of the civilian side recognition system
    3. An incomprehensible change in the course of the Ukrainian side
    4. Small facts that in total give an interested party ... well, you understand who I am talking about;

    You give the Iranian side a loophole to justify, but for some reason they do not see these oddities
  • vladcub 14 January 2020 20: 25 New
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    Comrades, the author of the article probably wrote yesterday and did not yet know the latest events. In general, now the situation is developing so rapidly that just have time to read ... It would take 2-3 days to think it over. So let's not rush to conclusions
  • Old26 14 January 2020 20: 37 New
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    Quote: Silvestr
    Quote: Aleksandr21
    experts work at the crash site

    no doubt, but if there are no specialists in the country, then they are invited, in their case, Iran handed over the boxes to France for decryption.
    And then, don’t you find it strange to find rocket fragments in almost the same places, if not in one?


    Here is the fall territory

    and lie on the fence
    They are painfully demonstratively lying. And if they were so laid? And then who are the experts?

    By the way, IMHO photo of a warhead rocket - clearly "left". Even if we assume that after the explosion of the warhead this fairing remained intact, the probability of which is zero, then as a result of the fall of the plane, in any case, they would be deformed. And here it seems that someone just “put” this particular warhead. The question is, why?

    Quote: Alex_59
    The fastest flying missile in the world - the 53T6 missile is able to overcome 10 km in 3 seconds from the start. If the Torah missiles fly faster, covering 12 km in less than a second, then I think it draws to the Nobel Prize for new types of mixed solid fuels.

    The speed of the missile complex "Tor" - 850 m / s. That is 12 km (at this distance from the launch, as they say, a Boeing was shot down, it will pass in just over 14 seconds.

    Quote: Alex_59
    The only option when an AES could help is a situation where a special reconnaissance satellite (first of all, an optical reconnaissance satellite, to a lesser extent it could be a passive radio reconnaissance satellite) flies over the desired area in just a few seconds, in which a catastrophic situation develops.

    As an option. With the condition that Canadians have remote sensing satellites and even an optical reconnaissance satellite, this probability theoretically exists. In addition, Americans have SPRN satellites. And the air defense system of the North American continent is the same for them - NORAD, I think that they can have access to such information
  • Good wise 15 January 2020 00: 25 New
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    There is still such a version.
    There are no such random errors, and even so on time.

    Pro-Israel hawks in the United States understand that global power is leaving their allies - the American global hawk-haws, and that their competitors - the former superpower of world No. 1 before the Second World War - England, can seize this power.
    And Iran is pro-London, probably everyone has known this for a long time.
    Is it hard for the Israelis to stare off the shoulder like a stinger near the airport?
    What would kindle a war between Iran (London) and the United States, and that they would cause more damage to each other.
    Since the strike on Suleymani on January 3, the outbreak did not begin, and even the Iranians, filigree, did not exactly inflict much damage with their missiles in a retaliatory “strike” at the Amer’s base.

    But here again, the Iranians quietly and peacefully took the blame on others.
    Probably not only Suleymani interfered with the Iranian special services, but also some other warriors who can now be easily dismissed due to the “error” of Iranian air defense.
    As they shot the entire top of the air defense and defense in the USSR after the disaster of the Korean Boeing near Sakhalin ... and after landing of Rust on Red Square, they also shot everyone.
    1. Alexey LK 17 January 2020 05: 29 New
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      But to me, too, a variation of "Matthias Rust" seems very likely. Only you somehow complicate it - just organizational confusion and hassle are very welcome, if you plan an air (plus space, cyberspace) strike operation in Iran, you yourself understand who. After all, it is very similar to the fact that everything is specially somehow involved, so as not to quickly figure it out - a whole bunch of facts, statements, suspicions, accusations, questions, guesses, versions, inconsistencies, etc. And the moment seems to be just that - now or never! I mean the urgency due to early elections in the US and the fact that "the creation of an atomic bomb by Iran is now a matter of several months." It is possible that a game is going on with certain circles in Iran itself - but rather, in order to confuse it even more. Because their task is not so much to change the regime in Iran, but to discard the state as such in technological development, regardless of the ruling regime. And in this mode, it’s even more “convenient” to strike, because he is already heavily discredited. Well, and I think Trump at the same time tried to “fasten” to the plan, put on the hook - because if he gave the go-ahead for a certain operation, as a result of which the passenger airliner was exposed to air defense - this is essentially called complicity in the intentional killing of civilians, not there’s some kind of military operation to eliminate one famous general (the latter is just from the point of view of Trump’s election as a plus).
  • vladasyar 15 January 2020 09: 00 New
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    Addition :
    1.July 3 Suleymani is killed
    2. Polish airline "LOT" on January 4 announced the termination of flights to Iran
    4. Ukrainian Boeing, flew in from London, where those. service
    5. Two engines ignited at once
    6. After the attack on Suleymani and the January 4 Iranian strike back on US bases in Iraq, 9 flights arrived at Tehran’s airport, (Where is the logic in the context, after all, we should expect the arrival of rockets, not the departure of a rocket from Tehran, especially since the planes fly out on a permanent traffic and the agreed corridor, the illumination on the radar screen is different from the flare of the rocket. (But an air defense trainee cannot confuse a retreating target (on civilian aircraft there is an AIS system that identifies the flare on the radar) with the climb to the illumination of a small dot going along the trajectory
    7. On the day of the tragedy, before the Boeing took off from Tehran Airport, they flew with an interval of 6 minutes - an Aeroflot plane and two Turkish flights
    8. If the plane had not been delayed for an hour, it would have exploded over Iraqi territory. just during the attack of US bases. The first IRGC in English was about an air-to-air attack
    9. The black boxes from the crashed Boeing are for some reason transferred to France
    The eternal question? Who benefits?
  • certero 15 January 2020 09: 29 New
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    Why seek a conspiracy where all actions can be explained by the usual confusion and human stupidity.
    And Iran’s quick recognition of the downing is the result of an internal political struggle. After the assassination of the general, the positions of the Xeros weakened. So they try to reduce them even more.
    1. andrew42 15 January 2020 11: 46 New
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      In terms of nodding to confusion and mess, it’s tracing paper from Rust’s flight to Moscow. The only difference is that Khomeini is clearly not an analogue of Gorbi, does not pull on the role of the American mole at the helm of the country. However, this does not negate the possibility of other moles in the Iranian elite secretly sympathetic to the American Haganate, so to speak, "tired and bought."
      1. Good wise 15 January 2020 23: 44 New
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        Gorby is not an American mole either. Perestroyka went by and large to the benefit of Russia, if not strange. They got rid of freeloaders, of low-productivity “communism”, where “it is easier to squander in a large team,” because they lost the economic race back in the 60s with the same devastated post-war Japan and Europe.
        In Iran, it’s not so simple either, now there is no ideological one - the income from Iranian oil is controlled primarily by the Iranian special services, as elsewhere, however.
        And under the conditions of "sanctions", Iranian special services can best secretly work.
  • andrew42 15 January 2020 11: 42 New
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    Great incident analytics! The only question is what kind of bells are these, for which the States grabbed Iran so much that it was forced to take the blame even faster than the Westerners wanted. A polite rocket attack on the same topic is an excuse for purely domestic Iranian consumption.
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    when we all, who were taught in the USSR, take a break. Then your "argumentation" among young people (whose brains are amputated on the network before they reach the age of 13) will go off with a bang ...
    How it sometimes seems true. My son was born when I was 39 ... I can not look at the school curriculum of Ukrainian schools without a shudder, there is everything except the essence and the salt of knowledge and practice. The children of plebeians do not need knowledge, and patricians will buy them in privileged schools.
  • Alross 15 January 2020 15: 55 New
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    For some reason, no one writes about the internal situation in Iran. I mean what is seen in reality - two branches of government: Ayatollah Ali Khamenei (spiritual authority with the Government) and the IRGC. Both branches have their own Armed forces and influence on society. Someone gravitates more to am. It seems to me that this is Ayatollah. And then, all of a sudden, out of the blue in Iraq, two generals perish at once - the highest leadership of the IRGC, which can influence the whole situation in the Middle East. The ответ otvetka ’carried out is an action already envisaged, which was quickly neutralized by the downed Boeing, the Авто Authoritative’ confession of guilt by Iran with the further rout of the IRGC. and "incomprehensible", in the Gorby stide, the actions of Ayatollah. That is. Iran’s betrayal at the highest level is precisely Khamenei personally. The scheme is clear. How do you like it?
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      Quote: ALROSS
      The scheme is clear. How do you like it?

      I personally do not really understand the scheme. They removed Sulejmani, one of the top leaders of the IRGC, then the IRGC inflicts a “shameful” strike-contract, then the air defense-IRGG is substituted with a passenger airliner - where is the “answer”? It looks like a one-goal game ...
  • Oleg Shulga 15 January 2020 17: 42 New
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    Oh Lord !!! Already, Iran itself recognized the fact of the downing, but the United States and Ukraine are to blame anyway!))) I’m laughing!
  • Syroitel_nik 15 January 2020 17: 47 New
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    A very original version that the plane took off with an hour delay, was supposed to be at the time of the explosion in the area of ​​the Russian Navy exercises in the Black Sea, in which the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Armed Forces V.V. Putin took part. The provocation did not work, the departure was delayed by third forces. Well, the laid timer worked at the time when it worked.
  • destiny20 15 January 2020 18: 31 New
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    Strange only in the minds of the authors of such texts
    no need to look for a black cat in a black room when she is not there
    1. dmmyak40 16 January 2020 08: 38 New
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      You probably do not really own information related to aircraft accidents. Sometimes the reasons are very far from the initial assumptions: life is richer than fiction.
  • Indeed, in this case no conspiracy theories are needed. Why ask these questions at all? About some students ... What kind of students, if immediately on the wreckage of the plane you could see traces of the striking elements of the corresponding missiles? If fragments of the rocket itself were immediately found? When launching a rocket, the rumble is quite significant, people got scared and removed a noise source on their phones ... The car alarms at the parking lots worked ... Does the author know about this? How could this ,, hide ,,? The air defense system worked in the area of ​​the airport, not hiding ... Why was this aircraft hit? And why did the Americans hit exactly the car where S. was driving? In the same direction with his car, many cars rode ... People died, including ,, outsiders ,,? Hmm ... ,, In war, as in war ,,
  • Efgen 16 January 2020 09: 05 New
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    I don’t understand anything. The liner flew from Tehran, a guidance officer or division commander takes him for an airplane or cruise missile attacking Iran, i.e. in his opinion, the target flies to Tehran. Took it for a cruise missile ... At an altitude of 2 km, the target mark of a healthy aircraft certainly differs from the mark of the KR from the word radically. And further. If the division is by the air corridor, then certainly HE or CD have seen enough of the marks from Boeing and Airbus to disgust and automatism. Even without centralized target designation and loss of communication with the command post (and what, indeed, in Iran is the connection between the ZRDN and KP by cell phone ???), for such a shot you need to be exactly a monkey with a grenade and epaulettes.
    1. nvp1952rus 16 January 2020 17: 29 New
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      For some reason, everyone believes that the missile strike on the plane, which led to its ignition and fall, was inflicted on take-off at the point where the signal from the transponder disappeared. And no one takes into account the place where the plane crashed and the direction of its flight at that moment. But after the connection and the signal from the transponder disappeared, the plane began to turn right with a radius of about 7 kilometers and was shot down after about three minutes of flight with a turn, decrease and heading south-east in the direction of the departure airport. And this is about 14 kilometers to the right of the permitted flight corridor and closer to Tehran. Here there was a post of air defense of the near cover of the capital of Iran. But something that happened on take-off at the point of disappearance of communication and signal from the transponder led to this defeat of the aircraft by air defense missiles. And it is not yet known whether they will determine the reason for decrypting black boxes. But if we assume that the first video (with an attack on a plane on take-off, most likely from MANPADS, and filmed to report on the completed mission) is not a fake, then someone’s ears stick out and it was a planned action.
  • Lekz 20 January 2020 22: 44 New
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    My situation with a downed plane raised two questions.
    1. Air defense of the IRGC saw on the radars the takeoff and flight of an airplane, where does such a sudden eclipse and desire to bring down come from?
    2. Passenger aircraft have (must have working) transponders (answering machines). Why didn’t the request-response work?