The project of the aircraft carrier "Lamantin" returns hope to Russia


Last week, in Sevastopol, at a promising weapons exhibition, Russian President Vladimir Putin was shown a model of the new Russian aircraft carrier of the Lamantin project, developed at the Nevsky Design Bureau of St. Petersburg.


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In the new century, aircraft carrier projects appeared in the public space of Russia with enviable regularity. Design bureaus (mainly the Krylov Scientific Center) presented them in the form of light, medium and heavy aircraft-carrying ships, in atomic and non-atomic versions. (Many advances were given, for example, to the Storm project.) The composition of the air wing varied from three dozen to almost a hundred aircraft.

The initiative audience enthusiastically accepted each new project. Armed for confidence with hats, she declared the next product of design thought “unparalleled in the world.” Then the excitement quietly subsided.

It soon became clear that the project was born as a result of the initiative of the designers themselves. The state didn’t order anything for them, and military officials were interested in the new development in the same way as the public on the Internet networks adjacent to the Ministry of Defense.

The next project provoked two mutually intersecting discussions: whether we need aircraft carriers in principle and - where to build them. Most of the participants in the discussion agreed that the interests of Russia end somewhere on the beam of Yamal or Kamchatka, and by definition, she has nothing to do in the far sea zone. The topic of the weakness of the Russian economy was finally brought up.

Against the background of these disputes, the shipbuilders leisurely made submarines, experimented with small missile ships and modifications of corvettes, put composite minesweepers on the water, and even after long delays they handed over the fleet a pair of surface ships of the first rank.

There is reason for optimism


Disputes about aircraft carriers revived after the not-so-successful expedition of the aircraft-carrying cruiser Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov to the coast of Syria, and then after the fire on this ship. However, notes in new disputes sounded different. First of all, many people realized that a world power cannot limit itself only to the coastal fleet. Because her interests extend to distant overseas countries.

Last summer, at the International Naval Salon in St. Petersburg, the country saw a draft of the new atomic aircraft carrier 11430E Lamantin. The layout very much resembled the heavy nuclear-powered aircraft-carrying cruiser of project 1143.7 Ulyanovsk, which the Soviet Union could not finish building at the Nikolaev shipyard of Ukraine.

Confused letter "E", which appeared in the literature "Manatee." The designers politely hinted to the authorities that the new project could be launched for export. The same India, for example. Meanwhile, the presentation of "Manatee" in St. Petersburg, in contrast to previous layouts, gave some reasons for optimism. Firstly, there was a feeling that after the events in Venezuela, the authorities felt the need for such a powerful lever of influence on the international situation as the flag carrier group demonstrating the flag.

Secondly, in the Far East, a shipyard is growing up, which is quite tough in a couple of years to master such a serious construction. There are competencies and personnel for the implementation of the project in the country. Finally, in recent years, the Russian budget has been making up with an enviable surplus. A worthy reserve box has been formed, where you can find 200-300 billion rubles that developers ask for the project.

The second appearance of the public of the Lamantina model for the year indicates that the government has matured to the scale of the project. They are impressive. The aircraft carrier is seen by designers with a nuclear power plant with a displacement of 80-90 thousand tons. The hull length is up to 350 meters, the maximum speed is 30 knots, the autonomy is 120 days.

The crew of the ship will be 2800 people. 800 - will ensure the work of the air group. About 60 aircraft will be placed on board (AWACS aircraft, heavy and light fighters, helicopters and drones, including percussion - such as "Hunter"). The ammunition of the wing will draw 1600-2000 tons.

Rumor has it that the new aircraft carrier will be laid at the turn of the years 2023-2024 and put into operation at the end of the decade. Let's hope that this will happen in spite of the prevailing practice of untimely fulfillment of the state order (last December, for example, the commissioning of half a dozen ships was disrupted - from the frigate Admiral Kasatonov to the underwater strategist Prince Vladimir). The project returns hope to Russia.

The Supreme Commander’s interest in the new aircraft carrier suggests that the Manatee project is viable. Not to be mistaken in this assessment ...
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  1. Pessimist22 14 January 2020 06: 19 New
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    Rumor has it that the new aircraft carrier will be laid at the turn of 2023-2024 (but this is not accurate) smile
    1. Bar2 14 January 2020 07: 29 New
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      manatee is this animal



      which never embodied beauty, power, admiration, grace or power. Lamantine was always only an object for hunting and was used for meat. For example, there were such animals as a Steller’s cow, a relative of manatee, so they were exterminated, when Alaska began to belong to America, as did bison.
      You can’t call our weapons the names of animals, which are simply clumsy lumps and ultimately are just human food and which do not carry the symbols of the inherent weapon-speed, strength and power.
      In addition, manatee is not Russian.
      1. Aerodrome 14 January 2020 07: 52 New
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        Quote: Bar2
        You can’t call our weapons the names of animals, which are simply clumsy lumps and ultimately are just human food and which do not carry the symbols of the inherent weapon-speed, strength and power.
        In addition, manatee is not Russian.

        if only it weren’t following the example of the Americans, they hadn’t called him any president’s name.
        1. GRIGORIY76 14 January 2020 10: 52 New
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          And that would sound cool)
          "Heavy nuclear aircraft carrier" Putin "project xxxxxx" Yeltsin.
      2. bessmertniy 14 January 2020 07: 57 New
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        A strange fantasy from the developers of the project. Classification too peaceful for a warship. what
      3. Reptiloid 14 January 2020 09: 37 New
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        Quote: Bar2
        ..... You can’t call our weapons the names of animals, which are simply clumsy loots and ultimately are just human food and which do not carry the symbols of the inherent weapon-speed, strength and power.
        In addition, manatee is not Russian.
        Manatees were hunted because of meat and fat. Manatees live in small coastal marshes in North, Central, South America ..... American manatee is an endangered species, which is elementarily written in W And what kind of hope is this? For what? In addition, this animal is absolutely not ours, it is alien to the Russian person, it does not carry any positive emotions, especially as a name for the military.
        1. Mcar 14 January 2020 11: 50 New
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          Greetings, Dmitry! hi

          Quote: Reptiloid
          And what kind of hope is this? For what?

          So I have the same thought - hope for what?

          What is an aircraft carrier? Floating airfield. What is it for? In order to bring the airfield closer to the distance of an air strike against the enemy. It is basically. Of course, you can use it for anything else - even for transporting tourists from island to island (if I, as an amateur, have never been a pilot, not a sailor, I’m mistaken, let experts correct me, I gratefully rewind them).

          Even if it will be built, launched and put on duty (in which year it is not clear, and given that a dozen submarine, not at all small ships should guard it - surrenders, in no year), what will it give Russia? Surely the Russian Federation is going to compete with the world gendarme - the USA? Do not tell my slippers! The USA consumes over 40% of the world, for some types up to 70% and even 90%. There is a lot of fat to shake. And we? Do we have a chance with our helmsmen, who have been proving their incapacity for two decades, do not build fat, but at least build meat on bones?

          In short, I don’t understand - why do we need to drag our aircraft somewhere. Enough for defense and ground airfields. Which coasts of the Russian Federation was going to threaten with a finger?
      4. Butchcassidy 14 January 2020 09: 50 New
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        You can’t call our weapons the names of animals, which are simply clumsy lumps and ultimately are just human food and which do not carry the symbols of the inherent weapon-speed, strength and power.
        In addition, manatee is not Russian.


        Guys, do you smoke, dears? Are we pend.os? We have other traditions. The more dangerous the weapons, the more peaceful its name: Katyusha, Hyacin, Carnation, Chrysanthemum, Metis, Pinocchio ... Now here comes the Manatee.
        1. Reptiloid 14 January 2020 21: 42 New
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          Quote: ButchCassidy
          You can’t call our weapons the names of animals, which are simply clumsy lumps and ultimately are just human food and which do not carry the symbols of the inherent weapon-speed, strength and power.
          In addition, manatee is not Russian.


          Guys, do you smoke, dears? Are we pend.os? We have other traditions. The more dangerous the weapons, the more peaceful its name: Katyusha, Hyacin, Carnation, Chrysanthemum, Metis, Pinocchio ... Now here comes the Manatee.

          All the names you listed are Russian, cause positive emotions anyway.
          And Manatee --- well, what emotions?
          1. Butchcassidy 15 January 2020 10: 08 New
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            Is Manatee in Tatar? Or Papuan?

            Do not make up! If you did not know such an animal, then this does not mean that the word is inappropriate. And in the Polyment-Redoubt marine air defense system, which of the words in the title is Russian? But this does not prevent him from being an effective air defense system
      5. Catfish 16 January 2020 11: 31 New
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        Fine! I would add that this animal is exclusively herbivore. And what's the use of a toothless aircraft carrier?
    2. lucul 14 January 2020 10: 41 New
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      Rumor has it that the new aircraft carrier will be laid at the turn of 2023-2024 (but this is not accurate)

      You need your own aircraft for it - our current ones for Aviks are not suitable.
      Requires a new Yak with a lower wing load (with large wings), capable of speeds of 1500-1800 km / h, with a very powerful radar and a carrying capacity of 10 tons to carry a wide range of weapons.
      Anyway, Yakovlev Design Bureau has no options - either to close - or to develop an aircraft for aircraft carriers, even MiGs are not able to compete with Sushki ....
      1. Sether 14 January 2020 11: 22 New
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        What does the KB have to do with it? A plane will be made by a certain person and his team. For example, tomorrow people from Sukhoi Design Bureau will move to Mig Design Bureau and everyone will speak planes a moment better than dry. Understand the planes made by certain people, and the name of the design bureau does not play the main thing that would be more such talented people to collect in this design bureau. and still it is necessary to set a task for them what to do and what to set such a task it is necessary for our country to need it, but it turns out that they are doing something that has no analogues in the world, but nobody needs it
    3. max702 14 January 2020 14: 52 New
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      Initially, I am categorically against AUG (there is no sense in them in the era of hypersound), but still if you do something you need something breakthrough, it makes no sense to repeat. That is why the limit of 90 tons of displacement? We don’t have a task to go through the Panama Canal, and therefore are unlimited in size .. We make it 000 meters long and 500-150ct displacement .. Today, dimensions are not a problem, you can build anything .. We’ll put not a couple of reactors, but 200 or 4 so it was enough to disperse this pelvis up to 6 knots .. We get a 30m deck that will allow you to launch aircraft without catapults, and also take without finishers. Having got rid of these two complex and expensive elements, we get a larger usable volume, increased reliability (there is nothing to break), and due to savings, we will pay back for the increased dimensions of the ship and a more powerful power plant, that is, we will enter the same cost figures. In addition, the volumes will allow expanding both the air wing and the reserves and conditions of service, it is quite possible to make an air wing from the SU-500 and promising heavy drones with different functions .. Due to this, combat effectiveness will rise and the AUG with such a ship will be able to withstand 57-2 classic AUG of the likely enemy, which is basically necessary for us .. There is no sense in a classic aircraft carrier, the enemy can easily put up 3-2 pieces and negate the whole idea of ​​opposing the ocean at sea ..
    4. NEXUS 14 January 2020 16: 07 New
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      Quote: Pessimist22
      There is reason for optimism

      There are no reasons there ... it reminds me of the hero Vitsin, who pulled the lowest one from a stack of pots. Do we have an escort for an aircraft carrier? No, and in the near future is not expected. But is there a shipyard under such a colossus? I'm not talking about workers who should build all this. Another 10-15 years, we will "grow" to the moment when we begin to build full-fledged destroyers, which are the main escort of AUG. I’m generally silent about the cruiser. We give birth to a frigate what year then?
      But in addition to workers, funds that are not frail, technologies that we ourselves will create from scratch within the framework of import substitution, there is still time to build this colossus. The mattresses with their school and the base of the aircraft carrier construction with fine-tuning, construction, etc. take 10 years to build one aircraft carrier. The question is, how long will it take us?
      We need an aircraft carrier yesterday!
      So what optimism is the author talking about here?
  2. Mavrikiy 14 January 2020 06: 21 New
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    Firstly, there was a feeling that after the events in Venezuela, the authorities felt the need for such a powerful lever of influence on the international situation as the flag carrier group demonstrating the flag.
    Mdya, would we drive the AUG to Venezuela, and turn on the US back? fool
    1. Mityay65 14 January 2020 07: 44 New
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      AUG of course not. But the TAVKR with the task of air defense from the sea could contribute to the cause. However, as in Syria.
      1. Mavrikiy 14 January 2020 07: 51 New
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        Well, who argues, contribute to the cause can absolutely any ship, even to the trough. The British adapted the remnants of drilling platforms for air defense in WWII.
      2. max702 19 January 2020 13: 27 New
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        Quote: Mityai65
        However, as in Syria.

        This is not necessary .. We can drown planes even without an expensive ship ..
  3. Mordvin 3 14 January 2020 06: 21 New
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    The Supreme Commander’s interest in the new aircraft carrier suggests that the Manatee project is quite viable.

    When I was little and snotty, my grandfather also sawed big foam boats ... recourse
    1. Far B 14 January 2020 06: 34 New
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      And hope returned to you)))
      1. Mordvin 3 14 January 2020 06: 36 New
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        I let them go to the Don, and thought that they would reach the Black Sea.
        1. Ponchik78 14 January 2020 08: 30 New
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          Were you stubborn in childhood? And then maybe floating "islands" of plastic in the ocean are your business)))
          1. Mordvin 3 14 January 2020 08: 33 New
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            Quote: Ponchik78
            And then maybe floating "islands" of plastic in the ocean are your business)))

            Do not hang someone else's on me!
        2. Avior 14 January 2020 08: 51 New
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          And no one told the child that they won’t reach .....
          1. New Year day 14 January 2020 10: 32 New
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            Quote: Avior
            And no one told the child that they won’t reach .....

            you can’t talk about the unrealizability of his dreams. Children must believe in parents, in their dream
  4. nikvic46 14 January 2020 06: 24 New
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    I think we need to give designers the opportunity to work on all units of the navy. Then we catch the idea that we are most important.
    1. bessmertniy 14 January 2020 07: 59 New
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      It is worth encouraging the design of promising ships. If you encourage everything in a row, then no money will be enough. hi
  5. Wedmak 14 January 2020 06: 33 New
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    AWACS aircraft

    Where can I just get them? Something I doubt that even in 10 years they will be able to make deck-mounted AWACS from scratch.
    1. novel66 14 January 2020 07: 27 New
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      well, not quite from scratch, there was a project ... the AWACS project for an aircraft carrier project - just right
      1. Wedmak 14 January 2020 09: 29 New
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        It was .. for a long time and something strongly doubt that it will suit modern tasks and technologies. It is necessary to develop from scratch, and not to redo projects that are decades old. But where to get the base? Which plane can be a carrier of equipment, and even take off from the deck? We do not have this unfortunately.
    2. Chaldon48 14 January 2020 07: 32 New
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      Even earlier it will be necessary than to replace the transporter and the Ruslan type. Yes, and with the breeder aircraft, the situation is somehow not right, 19 units are not enough for Russia.
    3. Alex 2020 14 January 2020 07: 32 New
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      At one time, such a machine was developed at the Design Bureau. Yakovleva .. Analog E-2 Hokai. Yak-44-deck aircraft radar patrol, guidance and control. This machine was developed in the mid-1970s at OKB im. Yakovleva. They will raise the project and developments on it. And there will be something "lacking analogs. By the way, the Yak-44 for the project 1143.7" Ulyanovsk "was done. Everything is new, it's a well-forgotten old)))
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        Only the layout is built. The main difficulties encountered are the filling (equipment).
      2. Wedmak 14 January 2020 09: 31 New
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        If the redesigned Ulyanovsk somehow fits in - over the past decades, the aircraft carrier corps has not changed much, only the filling and size. That plane in any way. Given that the construction of the Avik Yakovlev project will hit more than 50 years !!!
        1. Alex 2020 14 January 2020 10: 50 New
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          It is possible that even all 100. Given the construction time.
  6. Odysseus 14 January 2020 06: 34 New
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    Is that such a joke? They showed the old layout (a little overhang), and this returns a "sense of hope"?
    Damn, they would have made a new model, and then there would have been more hope.
    1. kepmor 14 January 2020 07: 19 New
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      as they say - fools get richer in thought ... themselves in torn ports, but dream of a caftan of golden corruption ...
      so are our admiral generals from the Moscow region with managers from the USC ... show off above the roof, and the desire to bend to the tsar is simply unmeasured ...
      damn, yes you at least save those miserable remnants that you got from the union ... yes, "coma" reanimate to the state of "walking" ...
      you have the near sea zone that in the SF, that in the Pacific Fleet bare backlighting for a long time ... PLO with PMO is completely absent there ... and than going to drive away “virgins” with “moose” from the Kola and Avacha, is it really interesting ??? ...
      in reality, there are no slipways, no capacities, no personnel ... some projects and chatter from year to year ... Manilovism and nothing more ...
      truly a country of some kind of surrealism ...
      1. Mordvin 3 14 January 2020 07: 29 New
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        Quote: kepmor
        and what are the "virgins" with "moose" to drive away from the Kola and Avacha going, interestingly interesting ??? ...

        Vanguard and Poseidon. repeat
      2. Odysseus 14 January 2020 07: 42 New
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        Quote: kepmor
        and what are the "virgins" with "moose" to drive away from the Kola and Avacha going, interestingly interesting ??? ...

        And they are not going to drive them away. If you send money and children to the West, why the hell do you want to drive them away? There is a great problem in another - the West does not want to be friends with them ...
        1. kepmor 14 January 2020 07: 52 New
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          to be friends with a servant is not accepted ... in their society is considered bad form ... and rightly so ...
          1. Snail N9 14 January 2020 08: 36 New
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            In-vo. So they dream of making themselves rattles in a more solid and louder way, to shake them before the masters of this world and in such a serious voice- "you have not listened to us before, you can hear us now!"
            1. New Year day 14 January 2020 10: 34 New
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              Quote: Snail N9
              "you have not listened to us before, may hear now!"

              and then- "we are ours, bourgeois! Take us to your clearing"
              1. Snail N9 14 January 2020 11: 13 New
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                No, they won’t take “to their clearing”. They also, in 2012, clearly indicated the place ..... where the powerful want to see them. Now they are puffing up to create their own "pole of power" to the last pants of a Russian peasant. Only in this field awaits them fiasco poles, there can only be two and they already are, the USA and China, everything else is doomed to hang between these poles ....
      3. mik193 14 January 2020 16: 02 New
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        In the hole! Carrier delirium is already tired.
  7. Revolver 14 January 2020 06: 35 New
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    "I will not fail!" - said the foreman to the people.
    And did not fail. Neither gas, nor light, nor water.
  8. Far B 14 January 2020 06: 37 New
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    I'm bastard. So I see the picture: Putin is shown the layout. Putin picks his finger in his nose, thoughtfully baying: "Hmm, cho, interestingly fucked ...". And this returns hope to Russia ??? Christmas trees, sticks, but how many such models have been in the last at least ten years - didn’t the hesitation come back, then run away again? Sportswoman, itch it ...
    1. novel66 14 January 2020 07: 29 New
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      hope - it’s, you know, an earth compass ... even a compAS, in this case
    2. Uncle lee 14 January 2020 07: 37 New
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      Just an illustration for the song of the fox Alice and the cat Basilio ....
    3. Stirbjorn 14 January 2020 08: 42 New
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      Quote: Far In
      I'm bastard. So I see the picture: Putin is shown the layout. Putin picks his finger in his nose, thoughtfully baying: "Hmm, cho, interestingly fucked ...". And this returns hope to Russia ???
      I remembered the story of Putin and the domestic plane "Rysachok"
      Having examined the "Trotter", the head of state spoke about his impressions of the aircraft, and also thanked the developers of the project. “We have to do (plane). To have ours, ”Putin said, referring to the development of small and regional aviation in the country. Https://www.gazeta.ru/business/2014/07/21/6127217.shtml
      The year was 2014, the “Rysachok" remained in a single copy ... So don’t rely on Putin, it’s quite possible that he already forgot about this “Manatee”
  9. Cyrus 14 January 2020 06: 46 New
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    It seems the article is not bad, but the devil is in the details. Two things confuse me: what does it mean "after the not-so-successful expedition of the aircraft-carrying cruiser" Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov "to the coast of Syria .." explain: Kuznetsov did not reach Syria? Reached, but did not fulfill his combat mission, or what?
    And here it is "The layout was very similar to the heavy nuclear-powered cruiser of project 1143.7 Ulyanovsk, which the Soviet Union could not finish building ..." which means could not, could not, did not have enough resources, production capacities, or was not given the opportunity to complete destroying the country?
    The author is either not attentive to details or you do it on purpose, creating a negative background to the problem.
    1. Ross xnumx 14 January 2020 07: 32 New
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      Quote: Cyrus
      Two things confuse me: what does "after not quite a successful trip the aircraft carrier cruiser "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov" to the coast of Syria .. "explain: Kuznetsov did not reach Syria? Did he reach, but did not fulfill his combat mission or what?

      And do not be embarrassed. Not entirely successful means that two planes are lost and that leaving the EU a visible plume of smoke:
      which here was explained by the quality of fuel and the power plant operating mode, “gloriously”, and most importantly - right away, moored first in the PD-50, and then:
      According to the contract signed in April 2018, the 35th shipyard performs repairs and modernization of the aircraft carrier (it is part of the Zvezdochka ship repair center). The cost of work was also called - 60 billion rubles.
      After the fire at Kuznetsovo on December 12, Rakhmanov said
      that the incident should not affect the timing of the repair of the only aircraft-carrying cruiser in Russia.


      To what Rakhmanov said, I can note that the incident will not affect the timing of laying new promising aircraft carriers. And the point is not that Russia does not have the strength and resources, but that such an event can turn into another unfinished building due to the lack of specialists who can do, unlike available, which can promise.
      If helicopter carriers ordered to NATO, then aircraft carriers - a completely different scale ... Although ... recourse Oil and gas is not over yet, and China is near ...
      hi
  10. parusnik 14 January 2020 06: 51 New
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    Russia will not be left without an aircraft carrier, there is everything for this: money, personnel, a shipyard is growing, and most importantly Nadezhda, who usually dies last ... after a long and long illness wink
    1. Mordvin 3 14 January 2020 07: 35 New
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      Quote: parusnik
      and most importantly Hope, who usually dies last ..

      Hope dies last, Vera said, shooting Love ... crying
  11. Ratmir_Ryazan 14 January 2020 07: 09 New
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    Russia needs aircraft carriers and they need to be built.

    All that we spend on these ships - all this will remain in our economy, in fact this is a direct subsidy to defense industry enterprises and people working there.

    Part of what was spent from the budget on these aircraft carriers will then be returned in the form of taxes from the enterprises that built it, VAT and excise taxes that will be paid by citizens working at these enterprises, who receive their salaries there and spend it in Russia.

    Russia needs 5 aircraft carriers, two each for the Northern and Pacific fleets and one in the operational reserve in case of ongoing repair of one of the aircraft carriers.

    In parallel, we need to develop projects 22350M, 23560, new BDKs, minesweepers and support vessels - this will ensure the protection of Russia's interests in the far sea zone, and to ensure protection of the near sea zone we need to build networks of sonar stations in the areas of our sea bases, build updated IPC type Project 1124 Albatross and Corvettes Project 20380/20385.
    1. novel66 14 January 2020 07: 30 New
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      ek you said something! ten budgets ..
      1. New Year day 14 January 2020 10: 37 New
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        Quote: novel xnumx
        ek you said something! ten budgets ..

        maybe on the budgets of Zakharchenkov and the like. But there are still generals and further in the ranking?
      2. Ratmir_Ryazan 14 January 2020 12: 59 New
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        ek you said something! ten budgets ..


        20,379 trillion rubles - projected revenues in the state budget of the country, which is 431 billion rubles more than in the previous 2019. At the same time, revenues from the oil and gas sector will amount to approximately 2,334 trillion. rub.;
        19,503 trillion rubles - the mortgaged level of total expenses in the state budget, which is 1,44 trillion. rubles (1 trillion four hundred and forty billion) more than in 2019;
        876,052 billion rubles - the state budget surplus (which is 0,9-1% of GDP);

        $ 13 billion is Russia's budget surplus for 2020 if oil does not fall below - $ 42,4 - the cut-off price per barrel of Urals oil.

        The cost of frigate pr.22350 - 500 million dollars;
        The cost of the destroyer pr.22350M will be in the region of 750 million dollars;
        The cost of the cruiser pr.23560 with a nuclear power plant will be approximately the same as that of a nuclear submarine under $ 1 billion.

        So, even with the current situation in the Russian economy, destroyers and cruisers and UDC are capable of costing them without reducing social obligations and various programs.

        In case of unforeseen situations, there is gold and foreign currency reserves at $ 540 billion to bring the project to implementation in a pinch.

        There is no other way.
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          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          There is no other way.
          Of course I have. Watch videos of Navalny about the palaces of Russian officials and their cost.
          1. Ratmir_Ryazan 17 January 2020 09: 51 New
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            Of course I have. Watch videos of Navalny about the palaces of Russian officials and their cost.


            I would love to watch a movie by Navalny about what he lives on and what his friend and comrade Volkov bought a house for 700 euros in Luxembourg and what his family supports there.

            And many officials in Russia came to the state apparatus from business and where they got the money for houses and everything else is clear.

            Although, of course, there are corrupt officials among Russian officials, such as Navalny’s friend, the governor of the Kirov region, Nikita Bilykh and others like him, they received a well-deserved punishment. And those who have not yet received will receive!
            1. Greenwood 17 January 2020 09: 54 New
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              I would love to watch a clip of Navalny about what he lives on
              Oh yes please:
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                This nonsense that he carries is designed for simpletons.

                It is strange that donations to Navalny are, as it were, sent in rubles, but he cashes bitcoins every time.

                And who sends Lech bitcoins?

                Who is afraid of publicity and uses anonymous payments for this, through intermediaries in bitcoins, which allow not to disclose the donor?

                The State Department, foreign funds, all those who are so “worried” about the future of Russia and are therefore ready to spend millions of dollars so that it never arrives.

                Navalny also said that every month he earns a lawyer in Moscow for 500-600 thousand rubles))).

                Show me at least one case that he led in court for money over the past few years?

                And Lyosha says that he has sued millions from Russia for stealing a forest with his brother, but they were recognized as political prisoners in Europe.

                Where is at least one document confirming that Navalny received at least a penny from Russia?

                But the daughter of Navalny to study at Stanford. For what?

                Good people send Lech money so that he wouldn’t refuse anything to himself?

                Yes, people, just not good and not from Russia.
    2. Ross xnumx 14 January 2020 07: 39 New
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      Russia needs aircraft carriers and they need to be built.

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      All that we spend on these ships - all this will remain in our economy

      good good
      I completely agree that the development of the defense industry is pulling up related industries, developing machine tools, giving highly qualified jobs, developing the infrastructure of cities ...
      stop increasing, however, the number of grave diggers of capitalism ... crying
      And who in their right mind will bring their own destruction closer? belay
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        I completely agree that the development of the defense industry is pulling up related industries, developing machine tools, giving highly qualified jobs, developing the infrastructure of cities ...
        stop increasing however the number of grave diggers of capitalism ... crying


        Capitalism - that is, an economy based on private property is not going anywhere, on the contrary, owners of large enterprises producing resources, materials and assemblies for the fleet will receive their share of the pie - allocated money for the construction of the fleet.
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    4. Stirbjorn 14 January 2020 08: 46 New
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      All that we spend on these ships - all this will remain in our economy, in fact this is a direct subsidy to defense industry enterprises and people working there.

      Maybe it’s better to build icebreakers for this money, or floating nuclear power plants ... at least for some simple people there will be some kind of direct return, in the form of electricity (PAES)
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        Maybe it’s better to build icebreakers for this money, or floating nuclear power plants ... at least for some simple people there will be some kind of direct return, in the form of electricity (PAES)


        You probably sit at home without electricity? Therefore, wind the snot on a fist)))

        Icebreakers are being built and are being built as much as is necessary; nobody is going to salt them for good.
    5. wellaut 14 January 2020 09: 03 New
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      Forgot to add that this is possible only under the wise leadership of the incomparable and irremovable leader of the nation laughing laughing laughing laughing
    6. Revolver 14 January 2020 09: 20 New
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      Russia needs 5 aircraft carriers, two each for the Northern and Pacific fleets and one in the operational reserve in case of ongoing repair of one of the aircraft carriers.

      Just on the SF they are not painfully needed. In those latitudes, American AUGs do not often, if ever, enter. But at the Pacific Fleet, no matter how built, will not be superfluous. In the Baltic, they should not do it (well, unless in St. Petersburg to lead the parade on the day of the Navy), and in the Black, too, except to go to the flag demonstration in the Mediterranean.
      And further. Of course, he is a solo carrier, but without an ensemble he won’t play. Each aircraft carrier needs an escort of 8, or even more, cruisers and destroyers. Well, at least, from poverty, frigates for air defense of the near zone, if we assume that long-range air defense will provide 1144 or 1164 at least one per AUG, and carrier-based fighters. How many AUG will scrape up escorts from what is available? And if you build, then what, where, when, how much, and most importantly - where is the "how much" to take?
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        Just on the SF they are not painfully needed.


        Seriously?

        And why then our only TAVKR now belongs to the Northern Fleet and why exactly the Northern Fleet is now the most endowed with ships compared to all other fleets, you do not know?

        In those latitudes, American AUGs do not often, if ever, enter.


        Does this have anything to do with it?

        If the war begins, the Northern Fleet will ensure the actions of our forces in the European part of the country in cooperation with the Baltic Fleet, from the deployment of strategic nuclear submarines to the confrontation of the naval, air and ground forces of NATO in Europe.

        Hijack all aircraft carriers at the Pacific Fleet, there is a big risk that they will be covered there immediately with missiles from the territory of Japan or from the US nuclear submarines, and in case of military operations in the European part of the country they will not help in any way.

        For the Black Sea Fleet, an aircraft carrier will also not be superfluous either, since there we have the opportunity to enter the Mediterranean Sea and have a base in Syria, here we can and should keep the 5th aircraft carrier and several UDC.
  12. rocket757 14 January 2020 07: 26 New
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    The project of the aircraft carrier "Lamantin" returns hope to Russia

    Oh oh There is direct hope, hope .... there will always be Baba Yaga who will be against ... in the person of the Ministry of Finance or someone else.
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    Do we have 90 pilots who can board the deck? Do you really need him? Will he be ice class? Does the Su-57 have a ship modification? Will they also give money for the restoration of Kuznetsov? Therefore, we pushed pensions? And without a dry dock, how to service this ship? Buy also a dock? Some questions and crazy expenses. And for some reason I’m sure that the originally pledged money will not be enough once in 2..3 - ours are not small. 600000 entrepreneurs stopped working last year, and we need an aircraft carrier! Storyteller
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      600000 entrepreneurs stopped working last year, and we need an aircraft carrier!

      a strange connection .... although liberals have always had no connection or logic!
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      600000 Of entrepreneurs stopped working last year

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      is it buy-sell or buy-resell?
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    The country will not have a new aircraft carrier, because there IS SOMEONE to build it! !! JUST A SOMEONE TO BUILD! ! The aircraft carrier needed to be built at the beginning of the last decade, then there were still personnel, and now even with the proper financing, the destroyer will not be mastered by Russia! The cadres either left the country where they paid well, or died for nothing! And they have no replacement, because forever the deadlines for the delivery of ships for the fleet will be mixed to the right! That's the whole sad truth about our shipbuilding. ...
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      Quote: Thrifty
      The country will not have a new aircraft carrier, because there IS SOMEONE to build it! !! JUST A SOMEONE TO BUILD! ! The aircraft carrier needed to be built at the beginning of the last decade, then there were still personnel, and now even with the proper financing, the destroyer will not be mastered by Russia! The cadres either left the country where they paid well, or died for nothing! And they have no replacement, because forever the deadlines for the delivery of ships for the fleet will be mixed to the right! That's the whole sad truth about our shipbuilding. ...

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      Of course it will not, if it is not built
  15. andrew42 14 January 2020 07: 54 New
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    Tracing paper with a typical noodle presentation of a commercial manager for the board of directors of an ordinary company. "Manatee" will save us, will bring dividends! (foam dividends from a foam asset). Well, you can’t do it without a superpower without an air trough! At least one ... There will be no prestige. A single "Manatee", standing in Sabetta, will cover all the fleets! He does not need either "Leaders", nor a submarine with anaerobic, or UDC. One for all, all for the Manatee! We’re a team .. (though it will be necessary to reduce payroll, but what a manager’s idea!)
  16. Amateur 14 January 2020 08: 04 New
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    The second appearance of the public of the Lamantina model for the year indicates that the government has matured to the scale of the project.

    At one time, such projects were discussed on the NTS (I translate for those who do not know: Scientific and Technical Council) of the Ministry, and sometimes the military-industrial complex. And now the model was cut out of polystyrene; at the exhibition they also showed URIA.
  17. EvilLion 14 January 2020 08: 10 New
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    Again, this nonsense about the plane-traders, which no one will build.
    1. AUL
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      But the dough on these projects - the development of chopped up, and the project eventually dies quietly. Not enough examples?
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    eprst, we have nothing to carry the supply to Syria, and here the aircraft carrier!
  19. wellaut 14 January 2020 08: 58 New
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    I wonder who and to whom is trying once again to hang noodles on their ears? winked winked
    Either cartoons, then layouts ...
    1. donavi49 14 January 2020 09: 33 New
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      So the layout is done on the knee. They didn’t even bother, at least ACTUALIZE the board.

      There is the development of the S-300F - which died together with the USSR. These are the big mines. If only redoubt blocks were put there.
      Daggers are standing there - the last of which was built for the Watchman from scratch, the last restored using components, but at the base plant - chopped up in Yaroslav the Wise. Again - now it is necessary to put the Armor there, as produced by SPARK.
      There are AK-630m there - okay, suppose (they are still doing), although putting them now is like that.
      There are Yak-44 - which no one is going to reanimate, and it will not take off, taking into account the Ukrainian basic cooperation. It’s easier and faster to cut AWACS from scratch.
  20. donavi49 14 January 2020 09: 37 New
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    Show such hack to Putin, this is mine over the edge. They had almost a year to update the layout. Nothing has been done. Still Yaks44 + non-existent air defense systems, plus Daggers that have not been released for more than 10 years. If only they would finish the model 1992-1994.

    Here is the latest, unparalleled Manatee.


    But from the museum of the Nevsky Design Bureau


    Find differences so to speak, besides the island. Even the Krylovsky Center, at least completes its models, actualizes from exhibition to exhibition. Nevsky is completely lazy.
    1. Snail N9 14 January 2020 11: 19 New
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      Got it. In Russia already, even, hack-work and then spilled out to do .... type: "And so it goes!" .... Hmm ....
    2. Timeout 15 January 2020 08: 29 New
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      Nevsky is completely lazy.

      And to finish the point ... They got money for the model, with whom they should share. And there’s no sense from the aircraft carrier, because without a full-fledged AUG, it’s just a floating target, no security, no support, no supply. There is nothing from the word at all.
  21. AleBors 14 January 2020 09: 42 New
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    Another chatter. Laid down in 2023. Maybe. And not at the shipyards ... and not an aircraft carrier ... and not with us ...
    There is no one to do, nowhere and nowhere.
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    Better not hope returned, but something real ....
  23. vanavatny 14 January 2020 10: 27 New
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    Now every day we will discuss the old Soviet layout?
    1. Snail N9 14 January 2020 11: 23 New
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      Now every day we will discuss the old Soviet layout?

      You can also, and Ukraine to discuss ..... there today, already in the morning, there are a couple of articles about it ..... yes
      1. vanavatny 14 January 2020 11: 37 New
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        hmm, and what is there to discuss, linking both topics, we can say that they drank two unfinished and unsinkable Crimea there too, and in 2018 the economic court of the Nikolaev region declared bankrupt PJSC Black Sea Shipbuilding Plant in the same year, the plant was sold for 120 million hryvnias, whatever you say about our current reality, but we have passed the period of completely utter idiocy ...
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          You see, you have already begun to discuss it (Ukraine) .... wink
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            laughing man is weak
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    someone will probably recall N. Nosov's “Dunno on the Moon”, so he and his lunar friend got into Durastsky Island for some kind of fault, where over time everyone turned into rams. Every day Dunno said, “Tomorrow we’ll start building a boat”, but tomorrow came, and Dunno and his friend continued to ride on swings, roundabouts, play different games, but evening came and they again remembered that they were going to build a boat and said to each other, “well tomorrow we’ll definitely start making a boat "and so every day ... I wonder who we turn it into sheep ?? wassat
  25. divanka2021 14 January 2020 13: 46 New
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    hope for cut
  26. iouris 14 January 2020 14: 08 New
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    Some names are abstract. This is directly related to the question of real goals and symbols.
  27. SovAr238A 14 January 2020 18: 58 New
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    de can find 200-300 billion rubles that developers ask for the project


    5 billion dollars ..
    It’s only on the trough.
    Another 3-4 billion for the rather outdated Mig-29K and a couple of billion for the creation of a carrier-based aircraft AWACS.
    Still a lot of money for basing.
    Still a lot of money for escort ships.
    To the satellite constellation.
    On airplanes PLO ocean zone and tankers to them.
    To provide this security.
    so this project pulls a lot, a lot of money, five to ten times more.
  28. Erik 14 January 2020 22: 51 New
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    Gas station does not need aircraft carriers!
  29. Vladimir Green_2 15 January 2020 21: 54 New
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    For interest ...
    https://abrod.livejournal.com/1472297.html
  30. Diviz 15 January 2020 23: 14 New
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    Why is it needed? If engines have come up with which can work in space and in the atmosphere. It’s better to make a new ISS in Armageddon. And make an underwater station.
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    That is, in the best case, we will see the ship only by the thirtieth year, and not the most technically perfect one. Would it not be that he was already out of date by that time?
  32. Tycoon 20 January 2020 18: 42 New
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    Au - so where will they build it ??? Which shipyard?
  33. Tycoon 20 January 2020 18: 52 New
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    It is necessary to appoint Rogozin responsible - so immediately a multifunctional aircraft carrier will be built. For the seas and space !!! At the Shipyard on Dark Side Of The Moon .... Darth Vader will envy !!!!!