"The United States must pay compensation to the Suleymani family": in Tehran, they will file with Trump in an international court

"The United States must pay compensation to the Suleymani family": in Tehran, they will file with Trump in an international court

In Iran, information was confirmed that the country's authorities are ready to pay compensation to the relatives of Ukrainian Boeing passengers who died as a result of a missile strike on an airliner. According to the latest information, the amount of payments for each passenger and crew member will be at least 950 thousand dollars. Information on specific amounts is being specified.


Against this background, official Tehran announced that it would file a lawsuit in an international court demanding that the US authorities be held accountable for the removal of General Kassem Suleimani. The Al-Quds Force Commander was killed when the Americans used a strike drone. Together with him, one of the commanders of the Iraqi Shiite militia and 8 representatives of security and escort were killed. The blow was inflicted at a Baghdad airport.

The President of the Supreme Court of Iran, Ebrahim Raisi, stated that Donald Trump is fully responsible for the death of General Suleymani.

Raisi:

And this person should be brought to trial as the main accused. We will sue.

Iran also notes that the United States should pay compensation to the family of Kassem Suleimani, as well as to the relatives of other soldiers killed in the American missile attack.

Raisi:

The killing of Suleimani was a violation of all existing laws. He was a man who consistently and thoroughly fought terrorism and oppression. We are awaiting the trial of Trump.

At the moment, no information has been provided on which particular international judicial body the Iranians intend to address these issues.
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  1. NEXUS 13 January 2020 17: 51 New
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    Yeah ... or they will force a person to be resurrected ... it is not necessary to demand compensation here, but justice. Only who planted him, he is a monument.
    1. Invoce 13 January 2020 17: 56 New
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      Quote: NEXUS
      Yeah ... or they will force a person to be resurrected ... it is not necessary to demand compensation here, but justice. Only who planted him, he is a monument.

      What justice! ?? belay Who? belay For those who juggle the facts, pass laws that are beneficial to them, and then blackmail other states by violating domestic American laws?
      So far, demand compensation and refuse cash transactions with $ ... negative
      1. NEXUS 13 January 2020 18: 22 New
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        Quote: Invoce
        For those who juggle the facts, pass laws that are beneficial to them, and then blackmail other states by violating domestic American laws?

        So for those I wrote ...
        Quote: NEXUS
        Only who planted him, he is a monument.

        Or, after that, is it not clear to you?
        1. Sky strike fighter 13 January 2020 18: 39 New
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          "The United States must pay compensation to the Suleymani family": in Tehran, they will file with Trump in an international court

          Weakness. This is not an answer. So Iran will be devoured. Yes, all the same a colossal loss for Iran. This Suleimani really ruled the country, was a shadow ruler, not Khamenei or Zarif. The event is directly akin to what it was in the USSR in March 1953. As will now Iran behave? Can the Americans break the system?
      2. demo 13 January 2020 19: 12 New
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        Let served in the Basmanny court of Moscow.
        We guarantee impartial proceedings and the identification of perpetrators.
        With punishment - alas.
        1. Sky strike fighter 13 January 2020 20: 56 New
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          Let them take an example from the Yemenis and take revenge as it should, and not play bargains with the Americans.

          Yemeni rebels fired at a Saudi field camp in Najran province, several Soviet P-1 Strela cruise missiles, which were able to successfully break through the defenses of at least two Patriot air defense systems deployed just a few kilometers from the site of the strike, and successfully hit the target.

          https://oko-planet.su/politik/politikarm/554391-russkaya-krylataya-raketa-prorvala-oboronu-amerikanskih-kompleksov-petriot.html
          1. BABAY22 13 January 2020 22: 16 New
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            Early. It is too early "as it should."
            Iran is not Yemen, it is from a different weight category and petty mischief to US satellites - this is not serious. Now, he simply warned the United States with missile launches about the seriousness of his intentions. You can, of course, and now begin a serious kneading - Iran has enough spirit, but, alas, the possibilities.
            But time is working on Iran now. The United States is losing ground, Tehran, on the contrary, is strengthening.
            If you wait a bit, launch your own centrifuges, and make a few “arguments,” then you can tell Uncle Sam his place in the Middle East. And ask for everything.
            1. Sky strike fighter 13 January 2020 22: 23 New
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              But time is working on Iran now. The United States is losing ground, Tehran, on the contrary, is strengthening.

              Iran is unlikely to be able to surpass the US someday. Here is the alignment of forces on the link below.
              https://www.kavkazr.com/a/vsya-mosch-ayatoll/30373998.html?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com
              1. BABAY22 13 January 2020 22: 59 New
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                For Iran, it’s not about surpassing the United States. It's about discouraging the United States from conquering Iran, as happened with Iraq. And for this they need a bomb. And not one.
                But this is from the point of view of Iran.
                Another question is that this does not suit anyone, including Russia.
  2. svp67 13 January 2020 17: 52 New
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    "The United States must pay compensation to the Suleymani family": in Tehran, they will file with Trump in an international court
    The United States will not pay for the murdered, in their opinion, “terrorist”. It would be better if Iran filed an international court against the USA for the downed Airbus, you look less for the downed Ukrainian Boeing, which was leased from the Americans by those, you would have to pay
    1. Invoce 13 January 2020 17: 57 New
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      Be that as it may, Americans too much attract attention and negativity .... something will change ... amers will not like
      1. Sky strike fighter 13 January 2020 22: 56 New
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        Quote: Invoce
        Be that as it may, Americans too much attract attention and negativity .... something will change ... amers will not like

        Amers will definitely not like it when they find out who was supported by the ukrofashiki they fed in this conflict. Iranians are Aryans, according to some. Siblings for someone so to speak.
        https://naspravdi.info/novosti/pochemu-ukrainskie-ultrapravye-podderzhali-iran-protiv-ssha
    2. bouncyhunter 13 January 2020 18: 40 New
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      Hello, Seryoga! hi drinks
      Quote: svp67
      The USA for the killed, in their opinion "terrorist" will not pay

      “Pay” and “USA” are incompatible concepts. Only if in the context of what they get paid. yes
      Quote: svp67
      It would be better if Iran filed an international court against the United States for the downed "Airbus"

      And the point ??? The gendarme will not even think about it - he will simply continue to bend his line, spitting on all international authorities. am
      1. svp67 13 January 2020 18: 46 New
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        Greetings Pasha hi drinks
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        And the point ???

        To give less money to the United States and its companies for the loss of a Boeing, so to say, "offsetting"
        1. bouncyhunter 13 January 2020 18: 53 New
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          Quote: svp67
          so to say "netting"

          My will would be - I would have carried out “offsets” with the mattresses, with the obligatory recounting of all “dividends” and other regularly isolated trends there ... negative soldier
          1. svp67 13 January 2020 18: 55 New
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            Quote: bouncyhunter
            My would - I would

            Pash calm, only calm ...
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            spent "offsets"

            I don’t even know, they are acre of "French fries", what else do they know?
            1. bouncyhunter 13 January 2020 19: 03 New
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              Quote: svp67
              calm, only calm ...

              I am calm. bully By the way, Happy New Year! drinks
              Quote: svp67
              I don’t even know, they are acre of "French fries", what else do they know?

              Like what ? Hamburgers, cheeseburgers and other hot dogs. And about simple fried potatoes with salsa, go, only from Russian emigrants have heard ...
              1. svp67 13 January 2020 19: 18 New
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                Quote: bouncyhunter
                By the way, Happy New Year!

                Oh Pash Sorry, of course WITH HOLIDAY.
                We are from those magical countries where the NEW YEAR IS TWO TIMES A YEAR drinks
                Quote: bouncyhunter
                Like what ? Hamburgers, cheeseburgers and other hot dogs. And about simple fried potatoes with salsa, go, only from Russian emigrants have heard ...

                And bullshit, what are bad?
                1. bouncyhunter 13 January 2020 21: 58 New
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                  For hearty guests - potato pancakes are always ready. drinks
                  And for the uninvited cloven-hoofed: draniki-hooters, otodraniki and otter! soldier
  3. parusnik 13 January 2020 17: 57 New
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    In principle, this is not a bad idea .. A positive result, a decision in favor of Iran, a negative result, will also have a positive character .. it turns out that the United States has the right to kill anyone who has been appointed a terrorist ... Many in the multi-polar world will not like this ...
    1. Sergey39 13 January 2020 18: 08 New
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      Ours also would not hurt to use this method. Fill the courts with lawsuits for all the illegal actions of the Anglo-Saxons.
  4. Zeev Zeev 13 January 2020 18: 02 New
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    Oh how. Interestingly, but ISIS does not want compensation will ask for the liquidated Al-Baghdadi? After all, he was also killed in violation of the laws of the Islamic State (banned in Russia).
    1. Volodin 13 January 2020 18: 13 New
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      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      Oh how. Interestingly, but ISIS does not want compensation will ask for the liquidated Al-Baghdadi? After all, he was also killed in violation of the laws of the Islamic State (banned in Russia).

      Please provide the number of the UN resolution in which Suleimani was recognized as a terrorist.
      1. Zeev Zeev 13 January 2020 18: 17 New
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        By what UN resolution was Bin Laden recognized as a terrorist? Or Dudaev? Or Khattab? I generally keep quiet about Hafizullah Amin, who was killed by Soviet special forces.
        1. Volodin 13 January 2020 18: 29 New
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          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          By what UN resolution was Bin Laden recognized as a terrorist? Or Dudaev? Or Khattab? I generally keep quiet about Hafizullah Amin, who was killed by Soviet special forces.

          Yes, it would be better to really be silent. And then begins the classic "translation of the arrows" in the spirit of our distinguished Israeli friends. He writes heresy, then begins to bustle.

          Dear, what, do the relatives of Khattab and bin Laden demand compensation through international courts?
          1. Zeev Zeev 13 January 2020 18: 37 New
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            Do not pursue. And Suleymani’s relatives too. Unless the daughter Zeynab can demand from an American court (since the daughter of Suleimani is a US citizen), but she is unlikely to want it.
    2. Thrifty 13 January 2020 18: 14 New
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      Zeevzeev-a igil is not a state, but a terrorist group created by the United States! If the Israelis want terrorists to pay compensation for the terrorist, this is your desire, and your problems!
      1. Zeev Zeev 13 January 2020 18: 23 New
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        So the Americans are not going to pay compensation for the death of the head of a terrorist organization.
      2. Dym71 13 January 2020 20: 17 New
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        Quote: Thrifty
        Zeevzeev

        Zeyev from Hebrew - a wolf, twice a wolf - terribly prudent! bully
        1. Krasnodar 13 January 2020 20: 57 New
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          Man to man is a wolf.
          Jew to Jew - ZA. (with)
          Newspaper Vesti, 1993 issue, the author is either from Baruch Podolsky or from Larisa Gerstein)).
          1. Dym71 13 January 2020 22: 32 New
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            Quote: Krasnodar
            Man to man is a wolf.
            Jew to Jew - ZA. (with)

            A Jew to a Jew - a wolf cub, you can not be led! am (c) G. Khazanov on the anniversary of G. Volchek
            1. Krasnodar 13 January 2020 22: 56 New
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              Correctly says Comrade Khazanov! And Obama's wife - Tsilya Srulevna Trachtenberg! But a Russian person never lived as badly as under Obama ...
              1. Dym71 13 January 2020 22: 59 New
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                Quote: Krasnodar
                But a Russian person never lived as badly as under Obama ...

                Well, this is garbage, dear, no matter who Obama was for his wife, but the phrase with Chistye Prudy is imperishable! yes
                1. Krasnodar 13 January 2020 23: 03 New
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                  So yes - imperishable and non-burner - Patriarch.
                  1. Dym71 13 January 2020 23: 11 New
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                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    Patriarchal

                    Whatever, no!
                    Clean ponds have been known since the XNUMXth century as a pond (the wastes of nearby butcher shops and slaughterhouses were dumped into it). The river Rachka flowed from the pond, flowing south and flowing into the Moscow river. At the beginning of the XVIII century it became part of the Moscow estate of A.D. Menshikov, was cleaned up and from that time was called Chisty Prudy or Chistye Prudy.
                    In the 1990-2000s, Chistye Prudy became a place where informal groups gather, such as metalists, punks, Goths, and sometimes skinheads. They are usually found at the monument to Griboedov and call this place "emergency."

                    hi
  5. knn54 13 January 2020 18: 06 New
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    Trump admitted the initiative; the Pentagon did not find evidence. GENERAL does not resurrect, but Evil must be punished.
  6. Vladimir Ter-Odiyants 13 January 2020 18: 10 New
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    Stupidity, not stupid!
    But what about the principles ???
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  8. asv363 13 January 2020 18: 18 New
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    Iranian President Signs Law Recognizing US Army and Pentagon as Terrorist Organizations News from Tasnim news agency (in English):
    https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2020/01/13/2180779/iran-president-orders-implementation-of-law-designating-us-forces-as-terrorists
    1. pru-pavel 13 January 2020 18: 39 New
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      Demand compensation from terrorists .. Middle East as it is.
      1. asv363 13 January 2020 19: 02 New
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        Last year, they mirrored the recognition of the IRGC in the United States as a terrorist organization - recognized US CENTCOM as a terrorist organization. And if last year during the voting there were two who voted against, now, after the murder of Suleymani, everyone was in favor of passing the law.
      2. Krasnodar 13 January 2020 20: 59 New
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        Quote: pru-pavel
        Demand compensation from terrorists .. Middle East as it is.

        Filing Israel for the Great October Socialist Revolution, which Comrades Trotsky, Sverdlov, and Zinoviev so expected, inspired by the work of the grandson of Rabbi Carla Marla!
        1. Avior 13 January 2020 22: 39 New
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          I would like to put in a word for Jacob Mikhalych. smile With all due respect to him, he did not enter the top leadership of the October Revolution at the time of its commission.
          The composition of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the RSDLP (b) created on October 10, 1917 to lead the upcoming revolution included, among others, not Sverdlov, but Sokolnikov
          So it’s possible to apply to Israel only for Trotsky, Sokolnikov and Zinoviev. smile
          1. Krasnodar 13 January 2020 22: 48 New
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            Good evening, Avior
            Well, I'm talking about the Bolsheviks in general laughing In fact, Bronstein was not originally a Bolshevik))
            1. Avior 13 January 2020 23: 09 New
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              Good evening!
              Yes, it threw Leib Davidovich from one extreme to another, from monarchism to revolution. Maybe because of wealthy parents?
              However, Zinoviev was also very not poor, and Sokolnikov, a graduate of the Sorbonne, was not poor either.
              Then, in general, everything was messed up. Pope of the Future Prime Minister Kerensky was the director of the gymnasium in which the boy Volodya Ulyanov studied, and He was very worried that such a brilliant graduate went to law school, and not to writers.
              And the older brother of Sverdlov himself, Gorky’s godson, adopted by him, actually served in France in the Foreign Legion, rose to the rank of corps general, cavalier of the Legion of Honor, was friends with Charles de Gaulle.
              Time was like that, everything was mixed up :)
              1. Krasnodar 13 January 2020 23: 17 New
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                ... in the house of Oblonsky))
                This is what - the left-wing Zionist Arlozorov was the lover of Magda Goebbels, (before her marriage to a handsome man), partaigenoss himself wrote about him in his diary, calling "Student Hans." The right-wing Zionist Zhabotinsky made friendship with Gorky and Tchaikovsky Korney, and the first regretted that Vladimir Evgenievich did not become a Soviet writer because of some sand there)).
                As for Trotsky - so he lived to FIG knows how old he was at the expense of his parents, and not bad - in the most developed Europe, having got a family, meeting Freuds and other fashionable Jungs. So all garbage about the world revolution climbed into my head laughing
                1. Avior 13 January 2020 23: 57 New
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                  Before her first marriage, Magda bore the surname of a stepfather-Jewish industrialist Friedlander, and in her youth she met Arlozorrvy, but then he married, and she first married industrialist Kvandt, but cheated on him and Arlozorvy, which led to a divorce, however, her husband also was not without sin.
                  later, after the war, one of Magda’s granddaughters through this marriage passed a giyur and her great-grandson lives in Israel.
                  Goebbels himself, in his youth, was in love with Anka Stahlherm, a Jewish mother, and went after her all over Germany, having studied at several universities, defended his doctoral dissertation, his scientific adviser was professor of literature Max Freicherr von Waldberg, a Jew by nationality.
                  What did not stop Goebbels from becoming a mouthpiece of Nazi propaganda later
                  1. Krasnodar 14 January 2020 00: 09 New
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                    Careerist)))
                    But a typical Aryan lol
                    1. Avior 14 January 2020 00: 21 New
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                      Such careers end badly :)
                      What he clearly showed by his example.
                      When I was in Würzburg, I already knew that Goebbels was studying here and it was somehow strange even for some reason to walk the same streets, but then I went with the Germans to watch the World Cup, the last final, and it got out of my head :)
                      Now I have written and thought that in Berlin for some reason such an idea did not occur to me at all.
                      I remember, I also thought about such a connection with the story :) when I went to drink beer in one big Munich beer house, which many people visited, they say, and Nadezhda Konstantinovna and her husband are the same, and then Adik came and sent everything right to the pub created his Nazi party :)
                      1. Krasnodar 14 January 2020 00: 51 New
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                        I never visited that pub)).
                        Wurzburg (center) is simply small and very compact. The most baroque city in Germany. Hitler wanted to live there in retirement, so every May XNUMXst, neo-Nazis from all over the country (call themselves right) come there for a march / demonstration. They are met by the local antifa, Turks, Russian Jews and Kazakhstani Germans for the company, in order to clean someone's passport. Therefore, the whole city, in which there are two police schools, stands on its ears, in the air helicopters, everything is cordoned off. It’s not for nothing that you have this feeling in this city. )))
                      2. Avior 14 January 2020 01: 47 New
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                        I thought in Germany the neo-Nazis died down, he himself did not come across. But everything is numb to him.
                        Actually, it so happened that I got there for a day almost by accident, and even on the weekend when the shops are closed :)
                        I liked the city. We wandered around the city, at the bishop's residence, in other places, drank interesting local wine on the bridge, and went to watch the finale. Interestingly, many Germans supported the Croats :) and the next day they were in Paris, where the French met their people on the Champs Elysees, a curious sight. But they didn’t smash anything, at least with me.
                        As for that beer, it occurred to me there that maybe I and I myself drank beer at the same table. Not always tea! :)
                        It was somehow not so felt in the pub, closer involvement in the story or something, before that they were at Odeonplatz, where they shot the Beer Putsch, we were even shown where Hitler was crawling there, mod, though, maybe just a bike from the guide, but for some reason in the beer hall I touched history differently :)
              2. Hunter 2 14 January 2020 00: 17 New
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                Korney Ivanovich CHUKOVSKY ... yes Tchaikovsky Pyotr Ilyich.
                Albert, ashamed ... negative
                Quote: Krasnodar
                ... in the house of Oblonsky))
                This is what - the left-wing Zionist Arlozorov was the lover of Magda Goebbels, (before her marriage to a handsome man), partaigenoss himself wrote about him in his diary, calling "Student Hans." The right-wing Zionist Zhabotinsky made friendship with Gorky and Tchaikovsky Korney, and the first regretted that Vladimir Evgenievich did not become a Soviet writer because of some sand there)).
                As for Trotsky - so he lived to FIG knows how old he was at the expense of his parents, and not bad - in the most developed Europe, having got a family, meeting Freuds and other fashionable Jungs. So all garbage about the world revolution climbed into my head laughing
                1. Krasnodar 14 January 2020 00: 54 New
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                  I agree, but it should be a shame to correct the gnawed apple of a stupid American product made in China that corrected my exceptional literacy)).
                  1. Avior 14 January 2020 01: 50 New
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                    Just wanted to write to you that Goebbels turns a stub into Goebbels, I saw you have the same story :)
                    1. Krasnodar 14 January 2020 01: 52 New
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                      Most of all in iPhones it’s not me freezing, and the lack of the ability to record a brow during a telephone conversation is a real jamb))
                    2. Avior 14 January 2020 01: 54 New
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                      I just can’t get used to it after the android and rebuild ....
                    3. Krasnodar 14 January 2020 01: 55 New
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                      Otherwise, it is very convenient
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                  Quote: Avior
                  ... Goebbels stub turns into Goebbels ...

                  This is just right, because in German it is still Goebbels (read by Goebbels).
  • Paul Siebert 13 January 2020 18: 23 New
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    Damn, the state of the panopticon!
    Some killers and religious fanatics sue killers from a country that does not recognize any courts.
    I wonder who will be the chairman of this court?
    Satan?
  • askort154 13 January 2020 18: 29 New
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    “The United States must pay compensation to the Suleymani family”: in Tehran, they will file Trump with an international court.

    But what, this is not a bad idea, first of all for the world media. In this case, it is necessary to invoice for moral damage in an amount equal to the general condition of billionaire Trump. Let this be the first precedent in the global judicial practice.
    It will be a wonderful gift for the "US Democrats" in their election race. This has not happened in the life of the United States. Come on Iran! Come on! One “slap” in the USA, though “cute,” but did. Now, on the second cheek of Trump - for Suleimani.
    This will be a world performance, otherwise we from the “Ukrainian” are already sick. yes
  • Alexander X 13 January 2020 19: 00 New
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    If they pay compensation, then they recognize Trump as a murderer. Sent to jail?
  • Egor53 13 January 2020 19: 04 New
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    Trump needs to be judged by an Iranian court, not an international one. Yes, also Iraqi - at the place of the commission of the murder.
    1. Olddetractor 13 January 2020 19: 20 New
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      Exactly so. Islamic revolutionary court
  • spirit 13 January 2020 19: 17 New
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    Jokers) and please pay in the currency of the US terrorist organization laughing I think Trump will answer this maximum from the toilet on Twitter)
  • Revolver 13 January 2020 19: 52 New
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    Compensation for Suleimani? Can Israel still judge for compensation to the Eichmann family? He was also kidnapped in violation of hell knows what articles of international law.
    1. Krasnodar 13 January 2020 21: 03 New
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      The loss of the breadwinner, the landlord and the good family man who was just “following orders”.
  • A man with a capital letter 13 January 2020 20: 46 New
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    Respect for the Iranians. Responsible for the error, do not hide, like some. At least with money, generously compensate for death ...
  • thinker 13 January 2020 21: 07 New
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    Together with him, one of the commanders of the Iraqi Shiite militia and 8 representatives of security and escort were killed.
    10 people died! And how much has been written about a missile with “knives” and a cast-iron warhead. request
  • Metallurg_2 13 January 2020 21: 14 New
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    And when did the United States execute decisions of international courts?
    It’s only Russia, a generous soul that unfastens dill 3 dollars of dill by the decision of a dubious office called Stockholm Arbitration.
    International law exists only for non-nuclear-weapon countries: countries possessing nuclear weapons can follow international standards at their discretion.
  • Shahno 13 January 2020 22: 28 New
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    Quote: BABAY22
    Early. It is too early "as it should."
    Iran is not Yemen, it is from a different weight category and petty mischief to US satellites - this is not serious. Now, he simply warned the United States with missile launches about the seriousness of his intentions. You can, of course, and now begin a serious kneading - Iran has enough spirit, but, alas, the possibilities.
    But time is working on Iran now. The United States is losing ground, Tehran, on the contrary, is strengthening.
    If you wait a bit, launch your own centrifuges, and make a few “arguments,” then you can tell Uncle Sam his place in the Middle East. And ask for everything.

    But what if the operators on those notorious “centrifuges” are as well trained as the operators of the zr ksir?
    1. asv363 14 January 2020 01: 55 New
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      Pavel, if you are a great connoisseur of centrifuge enrichment of uranium, then easily and correctly from a methodological point of view you can answer how centrifuges operating on subcritical and supercritical parameters differ. I will be waiting for your answer without searching for articles on the Internet.

      PS Iranians are well trained, with the production of new centrifuge difficulty models.
  • Guazdilla 14 January 2020 02: 23 New
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    He was a man who consistently and meticulously fought terrorism.
    including in the person of the Central Command (CENTCOM) of the US Armed Forces, which Tehran had previously declared a terrorist organization.
    But, the United States fought with the Iranian militant organization, the Guard Corps of the Islamic Revolution, which was considered a terrorist organization, more carefully.
    It seems that according to the international laws of inherited Roman law, and not Sharia law, it is not possible to prove the correctness of this claim.
  • Zheka Sviridov 14 January 2020 13: 40 New
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    OK. When to wait for similar payments to Russians, Chechens, Dagestanis, Tatars and other peoples for the actions of the gang groups Izmailovsky, Podolsky, Orekhovsky representatives of which are now at the head of the Kremlin Administration, State Duma of the Russian Federation, Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation, General Prosecutor's Office of the Russian Federation, Supreme and Constitutional Courts of the Russian Federation ?