Choice: Rostec's short film on the profession of aircraft engine design engineer

Choice: Rostec's short film on the profession of aircraft engine design engineer

Knowledge brings people together, generations come together. Rostec presented the short film "Choice", which tells in an accessible language about such complex things as work on aviation engines. The film is dedicated to the work of engineers and designers who have dedicated their lives to such developments that allow our country to be among the leading countries in the field of aircraft engine manufacturing.


The video begins with a situation that can be described as a “generational conflict” - when a young man is so passionate about his computer that for him talking with his family becomes a burden. But, as a schoolboy finds out for himself, he and his grandfather have common ground and common interests, and what seemed to him commonplace - with a click of a button on the keyboard, in fact, is a complex world of technology that needs to be comprehended, completely devoting oneself to the profession .

Both professional actors and those same engineers involved in the design of aircraft engines took part in the filming of the video. In the film you can learn about the processes that precede the beginning of direct work on the power plant of the helicopter, as well as how the process of creating the engine of the desired design is being conducted.

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  1. antivirus 13 January 2020 20: 05 New
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    Under the scalpel of nature and art
    Our spirit screams, flesh exhales,
    Giving birth to an organ for the sixth sense.

    how to convey the Spirit of Victory from the 19th century to 21 .. and what will the generation take in 2055 - “the engine does not forgive neglect”
    1. lucul 13 January 2020 20: 11 New
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      how to convey the Spirit of Victory from the 19th century to 21 .. and what will the generation take in 2055 - “the engine does not forgive neglect”

      If they put the designer — the student — on the “cramp”, there will never be any sense - he does not see the subject as a whole, only fragments ...
      1. antivirus 13 January 2020 20: 12 New
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        and I about the Sixth Sense and wrote - not about copying
  2. tihon4uk 13 January 2020 20: 06 New
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    As long as the salary is 20-30 thousand, no adequate person will choose this direction. Pay with dignity and the staff will appear.
    1. lucul 13 January 2020 20: 13 New
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      As long as the salary is 20-30 thousand, no adequate person will choose this direction. Pay with dignity and the staff will appear.

      Lies - for the "grandmother" have not yet done anything outstanding - only by vocation - and only geniuses.
      1. tihonmarine 13 January 2020 20: 30 New
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        Quote: lucul
        Lies - for the "grandmother" have not done anything outstanding - only by vocation - and only geniuses

        Vocation is certainly good, but you need to feed the family. Hungry mouths will not understand your calling and genius.
        1. Lycan 15 January 2020 09: 43 New
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          I support Vyacheslav V .: If you have someone to feed (or yourself if you want to live at least until middle age as a “person”), then most of those who are lucky with brains will choose a job where they pay. And work on vocation (with a salary below the level of self-esteem / maintenance of the family) is far from for everyone. That’s why “subsidence” in specialists:
          https://topwar.ru/166313-pochemu-u-nas-rakety-padajut-a-samolety-ne-poluchajutsja.html
          1. Alex Nevs 15 January 2020 16: 20 New
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            The task of diving. And with such a statement, nothing happens. From the word at all.
      2. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 13 January 2020 21: 00 New
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        Quote: lucul
        Lies - for the "grandmother" have not yet done anything outstanding - only by vocation - and only geniuses.
        Russia has outstanding products in the field of IT, a rare example of an industry that makes world-class products, and not on a Soviet basis. By a strange coincidence, salaries in IT are very good.
        1. Nick 14 January 2020 02: 12 New
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          Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
          By a strange coincidence, salaries in IT are very good.

          Supply and demand. The demand for IT products is high, and there are not so many high-class programmers.
        2. tihonmarine 15 January 2020 10: 21 New
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          Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
          By a strange coincidence, salaries in IT are very good

          Well, they found a consensus. The formula is simple "calling, genius, good salary." Especially to people of the highest genius at the level of Mendeleev, Henry Ford. For example, Miller receives such a salary.
      3. The popuas 14 January 2020 04: 57 New
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        Times are not the same ... to work for an idea hi
        1. Sling cutter 14 January 2020 10: 21 New
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          Quote: Popuas
          Times are not the same ... to work for an idea hi

          That's for sure, all the ideas remained in our glorious socialist past ....
          Being a chauffeur is good,
          and the pilot -
          better,
          I would go to the pilots,
          let them teach me.
          I pour gasoline into the tank,
          I get the propeller.
          "To heaven, motor, take it,
          so that the birds sing. ”
          1. tihonmarine 15 January 2020 10: 29 New
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            Quote: Stroporez
            I pour gasoline into the tank,
            I get the propeller.

            I pour gasoline into the tank,
            but no gas.
            On the left, the inscription reads:
            "Time is over guys
            no money, flying on foot dry. "
        2. Alex Nevs 15 January 2020 16: 24 New
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          Duc capitalism. It will be in all its glory when everything is privatized, but for now ... While there is something to privatize ... And on the way to full capitalism, a mess is inevitable. No matter how the controlled services are controlled, they will not cope.
    2. cherkas.oe 13 January 2020 21: 11 New
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      Quote: tihon4uk
      As long as the salary is 20-30 thousand, no adequate person will choose this direction. Pay with dignity and the staff will appear.

      What, right so they will appear right away? If you start paying 350t.r.? Do not make people laugh.
      1. Sling cutter 14 January 2020 10: 19 New
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        Quote: cherkas.oe
        What, right so they will appear right away? If you start paying 350t.r.? Do not make people laugh.

      2. Alex Nevs 15 January 2020 16: 26 New
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        Well of course not. The school still needs to be finished, and, moreover, not to sit out but to unlearn it. Then the higher one. With today's very, very ...
    3. Artemiy_2 13 January 2020 21: 20 New
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      Where does the data about 20-30 thousand come from? Grandma Zina said?
    4. KERMET 13 January 2020 23: 08 New
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      Quote: tihon4uk
      As long as the salary is 20-30 thousand, no adequate person will choose this direction. Pay with dignity and the staff will appear.

      If everything comes down to a salary, then worthy countries will eventually be outbid by richer countries, with a higher standard of living and prospects
      1. Alex Nevs 15 January 2020 16: 27 New
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        Yes, it has long been completed, and we are going down this path ... for now.
    5. Krasnoyarsk 14 January 2020 00: 29 New
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      Quote: tihon4uk
      As long as the salary is 20-30 thousand, no adequate person will choose this direction. Pay with dignity and the staff will appear.

      You are both right and wrong at the same time. Anyone who loves his job, who is keen on him, he will do it for a small salary. Another thing is that the state should take care of them so that they are not distracted by worries about "daily bread" for themselves and their family. And, at the same time, it should not give them a lot so as not to attract a host of mediocrity into their ranks who are not capable of anything other than “earning money” from the work of these enthusiasts of their field. This is a very difficult and difficult question.
      1. Primus 14 January 2020 04: 01 New
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        Well, I love my job, well, I am a designer. Only now nobody needs a designer, now I'm an engineer of everything in the world, nobody specializes in specialization for a long time. Fortunately, skills allow you to master related areas. I’m hunting, and there’s self-esteem, I will not give up my experience for free, so I won’t go to 20 tons.
        1. tihonmarine 15 January 2020 10: 35 New
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          Quote: Primus
          Only now nobody needs a designer, now I'm an engineer of everything in the world, nobody specializes in specialization for a long time

          My sister in St. Petersburg was a leading designer in aviation instrumentation, two children want to eat at home. Now works as a hairdresser.
      2. Alex Nevs 15 January 2020 16: 30 New
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        The general has a son. What are you about. Those days are gone. The ideology is about "grandmothers" and not about the state and "learn to learn and learn." So the son of a general and nothing else. While those in power have the capital over the hill ....
    6. Far East 14 January 2020 10: 27 New
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      yes, that's enough! measure everything with loot!
      1. Alex Nevs 15 January 2020 16: 31 New
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        Nah. Will not be enough. Already in full swing. Full step. And no more action! "This is capitalism, baby."
        1. Far East 16 January 2020 10: 10 New
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          hear! Baby! with your girlfriend, so you’ll mess around!
          1. Alex Nevs 16 January 2020 10: 11 New
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            Specially took in brackets! For it does not apply to you.
            1. Far East 16 January 2020 10: 12 New
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              we are not literate trained!
              1. Alex Nevs 16 January 2020 10: 13 New
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                Very sorry, very.
                1. Far East 16 January 2020 10: 14 New
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                  take pity on your neighbor!
                  1. Alex Nevs 16 January 2020 10: 20 New
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                    Come on. Stop to her god.
    7. Sergey1987 14 January 2020 14: 30 New
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      Quote: tihon4uk
      As long as the salary is 20-30 thousand, no adequate person will choose this direction. Pay with dignity and the staff will appear.

      Design engineers in mechanical engineering have no such salaries. There from 50 thousand start.
    8. AU Ivanov. 14 January 2020 21: 32 New
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      Where are these salaries? A good friend works for me, though not in the aviation industry, but in shipbuilding, a design engineer, far from thirty earned.
    9. bk316 15 January 2020 19: 17 New
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      As long as the salary is 20-30 thousand, not a single adequate person will choose this direction. Pay with dignity and staff will appear

      I understand that about 20-30 thousand you are figuratively. So we will not pay attention to numbers.
      The fact is that
      1) money genius is not interested in words at all. Therefore, they are so in life and unsettled
      2) mediocrity will not do anything outstanding for any money

      So they will not appear - everything is much more complicated. Personnel must be raised and not try to buy, because it is a dead end. Well, you have to pay yes with dignity.

      I believe that 200 thousand for the military-industrial complex for a good specialist is quite worthy, not brilliant but worthy.
      1. Rey_ka 2 March 2020 12: 19 New
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        Well, what for me, your money to me and 20 ki is enough for me alone and for the cat! what are you all measuring money !?
  3. Sling cutter 13 January 2020 20: 11 New
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    And what about the NK-93 ?!
    1. tihonmarine 13 January 2020 20: 32 New
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      Quote: Stroporez
      And what about the NK-93 ?!

      I am not a man of aviation, but I read a lot about him, and something in me trembled.
    2. Mordvin 3 13 January 2020 20: 53 New
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      Quote: Stroporez
      And what about the NK-93 ?!

      There Lenka Zakharova will come right now and give it to all of us.
      1. cherkas.oe 13 January 2020 21: 16 New
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        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        There Lenka Zakharova will come right now and give it to all of us.

        Just do not need to scoff at "Lenki". They are already, at the limit of the possibilities of the mind, trying to enlighten everyone here. love
      2. Sling cutter 14 January 2020 10: 17 New
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        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        There Lenka Zakharova will come right now and give it to all of us.

        I get scared))))
        1. tihonmarine 15 January 2020 10: 38 New
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          Quote: Stroporez
          I get scared

          Well, I'm old, I won’t.
    3. Bobrick 14 January 2020 11: 39 New
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      Currently deprecated.
      At the time of testing, I went beyond the calculated values ​​(it turned out to be 15-20% heavier than the calculated one and the temperature behind the compressor, it turns out, turned out to be 100 or 200 K higher). As a result, according to the test results, the aircraft with the NK-93 engine had a greater consumption than with the PS-90A engine (by 2-4%) due to the significantly larger mass and size.

      At least, this is what classmates said in a speech about fan engines.
  4. gridasov 13 January 2020 20: 16 New
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    The modern aircraft engine has exhausted its development resource. Who then needs to be in order to see not only problems, but also to offer a fundamentally new process and the device itself.
    1. kjhg 13 January 2020 20: 44 New
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      Quote: gridasov
      offer a fundamentally new process and the device itself

      How do you see the aircraft engines of the future? Surely you have racked your brains more than once, thinking about them? Can share?
      1. gridasov 13 January 2020 21: 29 New
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        No need to break your head. Everything is absolutely obvious! It is necessary to change the location of the blades in order to fundamentally change the algorithms of the physical process. Then you can use the potential energy and air flow or liquids. This is not just a new device, it is a device that can replace screws, propellers and, accordingly, all types of turbines. The new device and new process algorithms will change the basis of the industrial world because they change the balance of the energy consumed received. Speaking directly about aircraft engines, the turbine in the form of a new
        process and a new design, at the same time it is also a compressor with a reference flow. The new process allows you to change the polarization process of the blades at the end of the hydro-gas-dynamic flow. This is simple physics. But the most important thing is that the complexity of the processes in such a device, as well as the understanding of the processes in modern engines, are considered by new mathematical methods of analysis. In general, the topic is extensive, since the device is applicable both as a new mover, but also as a reactor combined with an electronic magnetic generator. Therefore, in the aspect of energy production, this is generally an opportunity to obtain a new quality of energy. And these are fundamentally new nuclear process reactors. The combination of many processes that are now considered separate and unrelated has not only a dual purpose, but also of great scientific importance, since they will allow you to get radically higher energy densities in the process. As a conclusion, dialogue is possible only with competent people. Since knowledge is combined in mathematical methods of big data analysis, high energy physics and electromagnetic and turbulent and plasma processes. Of course, you might think that this is just a set of terms and unrelated phrases, but try to describe very capacious processes in two words
        1. kjhg 13 January 2020 22: 01 New
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          Of course I understood a little of what you wrote. But to my question about the promising area of ​​work on engines of the next level, I received an answer. Thanks for this.
          Quote: gridasov
          As a conclusion, dialogue is possible only with competent people.
          I agree. Unfortunately, my level of knowledge does not allow discussing this topic.
        2. cherkas.oe 13 January 2020 22: 44 New
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          Quote: gridasov
          .As a conclusion, dialogue is possible only with competent people. Since knowledge is combined in mathematical methods of big data analysis, high energy physics and electromagnetic and turbulent and plasma processes. Of course, you might think that this is just a set of terms and unrelated phrases, but try to describe very capacious processes in two words

          In order not only to calculate, but even only to describe processes in the formats described by you, a computer with capacities not yet created can use it, and you are already operating with them - you are a genius.
          1. Golovan Jack 13 January 2020 23: 44 New
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            Quote: cherkas.oe
            you already operate on them - you are a genius

            This is a well-known bot. You have been on the site for seven years, congratulations - you finally met him belay laughing
            1. cherkas.oe 14 January 2020 00: 07 New
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              Quote: Golovan Jack
              You finally met him

              Yes, I’ve been off the site for two years, I was resting in the bathhouse for supposedly “mate”, but in fact for opposing the David’s sons.
            2. cherkas.oe 14 January 2020 00: 11 New
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              Quote: Golovan Jack
              This is a well-known bot.

              Yes, I realized that either the bot, or, therefore, called him a genius.
            3. gridasov 14 January 2020 00: 17 New
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              You are tactless and frankly stupid. The future of man is in his desire to have this future. Not far away is the hour when humanity will have to consolidate its knowledge in confrontation with external forces. Let us call this so as not to complicate. Therefore, for the confrontation to be balanced, a person needs new knowledge. Therefore, on the topic, in order to tear off heavy transport structures from the planet’s surface and not increase the negative masses of fuel and the number of engines in order to overcome dense ionized layers of the atmosphere, it is necessary to ionize the surfaces of these missiles with appropriate technology. Therefore, the so-called flying saucers have simple shapes that harmoniously distribute magnetic fluxes. And in order to create the corresponding potential for the anti-gravitational potential and the potential for overcoming the ionized layer of the atmosphere, either a high energy density and, accordingly, a generator or a large area of ​​ionized surfaces with its further concentration and retention are needed. Therefore, only the use of a high energy density and generators, the basis of which is a new turbine, can have the prospect of development rather than regression. And in general, communication with people looking to the real future, rather than living corpses, is a priority
              1. Golovan Jack 14 January 2020 21: 46 New
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                Quote: gridasov
                You are tactless and frankly stupid

                Um. Gridasov, I just know you already from the fourteenth year.

                "Fractals, fractals" laughing
                1. gridasov 14 January 2020 22: 14 New
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                  If I knew this, I would respond more tactfully. But fractal structures are still not calculated, but there is a technique for their mathematical construction
              2. Alex Nevs 15 January 2020 16: 43 New
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                It is enough to give either a negative sign to the Earth's gravitons, or "close the impact of the Higgs bosons" - and a negative mass of fuel is not needed.
        3. Mordvin 3 13 January 2020 22: 48 New
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          Quote: gridasov
          It is necessary to change the location of the blades in order to fundamentally change the algorithms of the physical process.

          How's that?
          1. gridasov 13 January 2020 23: 25 New
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            You see, the work of an aircraft engine should be considered not only as achieving power, which at a certain moment ceases to affect the effective operation of the blades for rejecting air masses, but also as an economical and optimal process for energy consumption. If you take a digression into history, then many scientists asked questions at what levels it is necessary to change the planes in which the hydro-gas-dynamic flow and magnetic power flows work, so that the process algorithms are not destructive, but constantly at positive extremes, in order to achieve maximum data on the system's operation. Therefore, I will say one thing that modern turbines do not use a critical physical process
            On which the new level of efficiency of the entire system depends. The blades do not provide the opportunity to obtain a high energy density of the flow, so the solution is technically very simple. But further it is important to build such process algorithms so that each subsequent stage does not level the previous
          2. Alex Nevs 15 January 2020 16: 44 New
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            Cut the curved edges with welding. laughing
        4. Agieros 13 January 2020 23: 29 New
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          It seems to me, or does the description produce a pulsating air-jet engine? And my brain breaks, how will the polarization of the flow on the turbine blades change? In what context was the term used? Just wondering
          1. gridasov 13 January 2020 23: 46 New
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            First, in that context, it was used that the hydrodynamic flow in a free process always moves along the same vectors as the magnetic force flows. But the hydro-gas-dynamic flow always ironizes the outflow surface, which increases the tension at the ends of these blades and the entire outflow surface. Therefore, the potential difference in a closed hydro-gas-dynamic flow manifests itself in its potential energy and is expressed, for example, from laminar outflow to turbulent others. And this is not difficult to understand. Therefore, it is necessary to create such a process that cavitation and explosive effects occur outside the outflow planes and the radially directed vector itself is directed to an additional impulse of rotor rotation. This means that pulsations and detonations will always correspond to the rotation speed and quantity, so we will call the blades as the fractal correspondence of the quantitative parameters. this is very important because if this is not the case, the oscillations of the rotor plane along the periphery will be disharmonized with the flow frequency along the longitudinal motion vector, which is fraught with imbalance of the whole process. In general, everyone needs to understand that a turbine blade or blade rotates at different speeds at their ends, and therefore, an increase in the air flow rate only ironizes them even more, up to electronic emission of metal at their tips like helicopter blades in the desert or in fog.
            1. Krasnoyarsk 14 January 2020 00: 41 New
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              Quote: gridasov
              hydro-gas-dynamic flow

              What is it like? Hydrodynamic flow or gasdynamic flow?
              Quote: gridasov
              ... then the oscillations of the rotor plane around the periphery ...

              It is interesting.
              1. Uncle lee 14 January 2020 03: 05 New
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                - Intourist, speaks well!
                - And what does he say specifically?
                - But the dog knows!
                "Ivan Vasilievich changes his profession"
                1. gridasov 15 January 2020 10: 32 New
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                  And you would first read the topic title. But as according to Zhvanetsky, who has no mind, he immediately begins to judge. I’m reading today that Chinese Americans spun up a fraction of up to a billion revs per second. And this must be so illiterate so as not to understand that the spin also causes movement along the axis of rotation. And based on the design, there is nothing to hold the particle. Ie frank lies and only. Or didn’t they understand anything. So you guys need another bar! here people are kind of like engine draftsmen
              2. gridasov 14 January 2020 10: 37 New
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                oscillations of the rotor disk in any moving flow have their own parameters. These oscillations have the form of both radial and peripheral peripheral parts of the plane of the rotor, etc. In general, as the water surface of the sea or others in all directions. Therefore, methods of mathematical analysis are needed, not computational, but completely different.
                1. Krasnoyarsk 14 January 2020 10: 44 New
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                  Quote: gridasov
                  rotor disc vibrations

                  Is the rotor a disk?
                  1. gridasov 14 January 2020 10: 48 New
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                    Yes! You are a compliment for your attention! I begin to discover the details. But keep in mind they may also be the property of others. I think you are not the only ones so attentive. True disk is only one particular aspect or element of an element of a constructive solution. And here you need to understand why the disc.
                2. Alex Nevs 15 January 2020 16: 47 New
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                  Have you forgotten the longitudinal vibrations?
            2. Lycan 15 January 2020 09: 50 New
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              Quote: gridasov
              ironic

              can "ionize"? (in 2 places it was, therefore I paid attention)
          2. gridasov 14 January 2020 22: 18 New
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            This is what we are talking about! How to change the direction of polarization? But precisely in this way, in the centrifugal process of rotation of the blades, the boundary limits of their destruction radically change. And believe me, it is simple and obvious to understand. This is generally equivalent to how a person cannot understand how to compact the information space and how a multipolar transistor works.
        5. Cottodraton 14 January 2020 01: 57 New
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          What a trifle! We take it higher and collect the vimaana on a mercury engine, well, or at least a gravitap on a cold TNS
          1. gridasov 14 January 2020 10: 44 New
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            By the way, you are not far from the truth. Our device can work in a closed cycle of ionization conversion. That is, if mercury is used as a substance that is very highly ionizing on the surface of the outflow, then not only the potential of high-capacity electronic magnetic energy can be removed from individual parts of the system to ionize the aircraft planes, but also the potential of such modulation by parameters that cannot be obtained by other methods. I repeat that to detach massive objects from the planet, it is not the power of rocket engines that is needed, but the corresponding potential on the surface of this object
  5. svp67 13 January 2020 20: 17 New
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    The most interesting thing is that in this video the boy does not have a dad, that is, the situation is real ... there are grandfathers in the industry, fathers do not understand where, all hope that grandchildren will be interested ...
    1. Tatyana Pershina 13 January 2020 20: 59 New
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      In the forties, indeed, a complete failure.
      I remember that in Soviet times I had two female friends, engineers. They were no engineers: one by vocation - a designer (she easily made candy out of Mr.); the other is a dog handler (almost until her death, working dog competitions were invited to judge). But it was fashionable technical education. and all their lives they have blown away, practicing (sitting out) their legitimate s / n.
      In the 90s, it became fashionable to receive the education of an economist and lawyer. How many failed design engineers flock to the offices of any economist and lawyer, having received a fashionable education with a kick of parents!
      1. cherkas.oe 13 January 2020 22: 51 New
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        Quote: Tatyana Pershina
        How many failed design engineers flock to the offices of any economist and lawyer, having received a fashionable education with a kick of parents!

        Ah, how I agree with you! sad
        1. Tatyana Pershina 14 January 2020 20: 09 New
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          The most offensive is that this is forever lost frames. You can make an economist or a lawyer from a techie in six months, but you can never make a design engineer from the latter, since the foundation of education can no longer be filled. Although, perhaps, there are exceptions, but they do not "weather".
          1. AU Ivanov. 14 January 2020 21: 36 New
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            A good, competent lawyer or economist for six months can not be built from a techie. As well as making a technician out of the humanities.
            1. Tatyana Pershina 14 January 2020 22: 01 New
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              Let me disagree. For half a year, an economist-lawyer will easily turn out to be a techie - an example is practically all bankers-financiers of the 90s from mathematicians and techies.
              1. AU Ivanov. 14 January 2020 22: 40 New
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                The lawyer, grabbing the tops, may succeed. A professional means many years of practice. Well, a vocation, where without him.
          2. Alex Nevs 15 January 2020 16: 51 New
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            Unfortunately, there are no exceptions. A technician should be born and it should be directed (school education and not rubbing his pants). And without the direction thereof 50 \ 50 and even then taken from a flashlight.
            1. gridasov 15 January 2020 16: 56 New
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              One cannot disagree with this! Techie iron feels alive!
  6. Ross xnumx 13 January 2020 20: 27 New
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    Well, what can I say ... We must send to the Oscars ...
    There were factories in Kemerovo, where big-headed and arm-laden guys could improve their technical skills. Today in their place are either ruins or a shopping center. I don’t even know if our schoolchildren have the opportunity, as a child, to see production, evaluate the work of machines, see finished products ...
    This is the right decision - to show us the game clip. 25 highly qualified jobs are empty in the country with a salary of 000 rubles or more, and after school, people rush to their twenty in Magnets, Ribbons and Pyaterochka ... You can rack your brains over the pieces of iron to death, and here and girls, and career growth ...
    lol
    Technical brains need to be determined in primary school age, and not after thirty years of "effective management" ...
    1. Agieros 13 January 2020 23: 47 New
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      I apologize, but where are these places and where are these salaries. I work at a factory in St. Petersburg, I only theoretically saw these 80000. And in St. Petersburg there are few enterprises that honestly pay more than 50. If you look at Head Hunter’s vacancies, then yes, one hundred thousand salaries, and when you come to the enterprise you want one hundred thousand, then you’ll be an engineer / technologist / machine tool / toolmaker / setter / locksmith / toastmaster . But in vacancies they don’t indicate this, so on the spot they say "well, you understand." In Moscow, the reviews are no better. Do you know what dances with a tambourine it is worth introducing something, or make a change to the drawing? I don’t know where these 25 million jobs are. I work with guys from different cities and different enterprises, everyone came here not from a good life. I don’t know where such salaries are. Now, if they really begin to pay, then production will be saturated with people.
      1. The popuas 14 January 2020 10: 42 New
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        That irony was ... fool
  7. 7,62h54 13 January 2020 20: 29 New
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    Knowledge brings together, but the difference in salaries between an engineer and an effective manager erects barricades.
    1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 13 January 2020 21: 06 New
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      Moreover, the video provokes a strong feeling that effective managers came up with it, discussing at the next meeting for their managerial salary the question “how else would we attract labor to places where we don’t want to work?”
      1. 7,62h54 13 January 2020 21: 44 New
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        Yes, managers want to be closer to engineers, but the lack of competencies among the former does not allow this.
      2. gridasov 13 January 2020 21: 53 New
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        I believe that a great video and those who understand it will be even more inspired by creativity.
  8. cherkas.oe 13 January 2020 21: 24 New
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    Quote: gridasov
    but also offer a fundamentally new process and the device itself.

    Did the detonation jet engine run out too? Or has he not even begun his experimental development?
    1. gridasov 13 January 2020 21: 50 New
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      In our device, detonation processes are used to the full extent. Moreover, each, so-called explosive stage, on the path of transformation of the stream is converted into an additional impulse of rotation of the rotor. Again, in this case, the detonation pulse algorithms are constructed in the corresponding algorithms of the rotor dimension.
  9. boriz 13 January 2020 21: 45 New
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    I didn’t look. It's disgusting. I was not taught to design these particular engines. But I knew a lot of guys who graduated from the Moscow Higher Technical School in this specialty, just like I did in 1979. and who made it clear that they are not needed by our beloved homeland and to hell. I can imagine with what expressions of the Russian language (bashfully not accepted on this site) they will watch this video (those of them who can still watch).
    Ah, why is it that such engines are bad at us? ...
    And why is it so no one to design and do? ...
    I expect a "regular" reaction of the moderator ...
  10. gridasov 13 January 2020 21: 56 New
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    I want to note that modern technologies of aircraft engines have reached the limit of improvement and their further development leads only to a decrease in their quality factor. I’m talking about completely new levels and engine performance and new perspectives.
    1. Bobrick 14 January 2020 11: 22 New
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      What is meant by quality factor?
      1. gridasov 14 January 2020 12: 36 New
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        By increasing the radius of the blades in the turbine or increasing the speed of rotation, which could improve work efficiency - I hope you understand what is meant by this, it has boundary limits, after which the destruction of structural parts occurs. For example, in rocket engines, in the desire to increase the payload, the operation parameters of the turbo fuel with a supercharger increase. They are the key cause of engine failure. Moreover, modern aviation turbines are multi-stage and there are a lot of structural components. We are talking about monoconstruction and one step !!! At the same time, performance is orders of magnitude higher. Moreover, the scale, respectively, may be less per level. Moreover, I already wrote that our design can work with front and swirl flows. And the reasons for the significant deceleration of the flow come precisely from the incorrect or not at all use of the swirling rear flow processes. The quality factor is precisely the guarantee of non-destructive operation of the device at higher rotation speeds and loads.
  11. Shahno 13 January 2020 22: 01 New
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    No need to break your head. Everything is absolutely obvious! It is necessary to change the location of the blades in order to fundamentally change the algorithms of the physical process. Then you can use the potential energy and air flow or liquids. This is not just a new device, it is a device that can replace screws, propellers and, accordingly, all types of turbines. The new device and new process algorithms will change the basis of the industrial world because they change the balance of the energy consumed received. Speaking directly about aircraft engines, the turbine in the form of a new
    process and a new design, at the same time it is also a compressor with a reference flow. The new process allows you to change the polarization process of the blades at the end of the hydro-gas-dynamic flow. This is simple physics. But the most important thing is that the complexity of the processes in such a device, as well as the understanding of the processes in modern engines, are considered by new mathematical methods of analysis. In general, the topic is extensive, since the device is applicable both as a new mover, but also as a reactor combined with an electronic magnetic generator. Therefore, in the aspect of energy production, this is generally an opportunity to obtain a new quality of energy. And these are fundamentally new nuclear process reactors. The combination of many processes that are now considered separate and unrelated has not only a dual purpose, but also of great scientific importance, since they will allow you to get radically higher energy densities in the process. As a conclusion, dialogue is possible only with competent people. Since knowledge is combined in mathematical methods of big data analysis, high energy physics and electromagnetic and turbulent and plasma processes. Of course, you might think that this is just a set of terms and unrelated phrases, but try to describe very capacious processes in two words

    // Speaking directly about aircraft engines, the turbine in the form of a new
    process and a new design, at the same time it is also a compressor with a reference flow.
    That's why, even the AI ​​has read articles about quantum dualism. Well, actually, it's funny ... Can grandfather be a grandmother? laughing
    1. gridasov 13 January 2020 22: 22 New
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      Maybe, and how!
  12. General failure 13 January 2020 22: 25 New
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    A good propaganda movie, but without the details of the turbo engine and tede.

    I recently found a channel in YouTube where one Canadian capitalizes turbo engines under the camera. True, the engines of the 50s are from Saber and Supersaber. Explanations, of course, in English.
    Technoporn, I tell you, of maximum hardcore. I watched for a week in a row and still want to. Search YouTube for “Orenda, J47, J79”

    And, the question is, are there any YouTube channels where they are engaged in disassembling, sorting and so on of all kinds of turbines? I just want to look at the guts of other models.
    1. gridasov 13 January 2020 23: 29 New
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      the basic principles of the process are the same for all turbines. Therefore, do not waste energy searching. But think of a new one, while not a single kb can
      1. General failure 14 January 2020 01: 36 New
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        Dear, you just don’t know what you are talking about.
        Do you know the turbine device details of at least the 50s? And turbines a generation a little older? Those videos give at least some idea about this.
        Some books are recommended there (in English), and lo and behold, some are even downloaded on the Internet.

        I am very sorry that you, having put on the Know-it-all cap, are trying to talk about what, judging by your statements, you understand absolutely nothing.
        1. gridasov 14 January 2020 10: 54 New
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          I repeat once again that you and everyone else are working with particular aspects of the whole complex of processes. You are not able to build a mathematical model of the whole complex of combined algorithmically related processes. And you can’t because you don’t know what a constant value function is. Therefore, they are not able to build a model as a numerical dynamically changing system. You do not even know the mechanism of ionization of the surfaces of the expiration. In general, the analysis of the operation of an aircraft engine should be carried out as electromagnetic processes, and not as they are doing now.
      2. gridasov 14 January 2020 19: 51 New
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        This is of course tin! The whole system process is not used in modern turbines and nobody sees this. Not only are the blind with their minds, but also the minus people stick out their stupidity
    2. beeper 14 January 2020 04: 34 New
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      And, the question is, are there any YouTube channels where they are engaged in disassembling, sorting and so on of all kinds of turbines? I just want to look at the guts of other models.

      hi There are also Russian-language videos on YouTube, like the guys in their garage workshops build and test, and bring "all kinds of turbines" for aircraft models to flight status.
      And they launch them on the radio from the runway of an abandoned airfield.
      During the week, one such video was also watched.
      I was interested to see the manufacturing process from accessible rubbish, tools and technical processes - the “golden hands” and the head of that guy, although it is clearly visible that the values ​​of thorough profiling and the quality of the surfaces of the blades are misunderstood - I walked it at random, at first I roughly milled it in the form of triangular prisms , just rounding the edges a bit, then redid it all .... but, anyway, it’s fun to look like in a garage, with a minimum of tools, even such a plain-looking jet engine with nozzles from syringe needles and a combustion chamber from the stainless steel of an old washing machine, a rotor is born, at the "maximum" rotating at 100000 rpm (and even the guy himself at this time is standing nearby, in the plane of rotation) ...
      1. gridasov 14 January 2020 13: 54 New
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        Absolutely correctly noticed that it is not worth standing in the plane of rotation. They just do not understand the physical process. Therefore, if such guys suddenly disappear from the air, then the probability of the reasons is obvious.
  13. Chaldon48 14 January 2020 00: 21 New
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    As long as the salary is 20-30 thousand, no adequate person will choose this direction. Pay with dignity and the staff will appear.

    Lies - for the "grandmother" have not yet done anything outstanding - only by vocation - and only geniuses.

    In the USA they pay more, and their brains are almost entirely “imported”, they cannot grow their own in any way, how many years they have been buying rocket engines from Russia, they probably sucked them up and down, but where are the similar American ones?
  14. Cheerock 14 January 2020 11: 13 New
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    Where does the data about 20-30 thousand come from? Grandma Zina said?

    A friend works as a leading engineer at an interesting plant in Kolomna, if that tells you anything. ZP 35 thousand.
  15. Cheerock 14 January 2020 11: 20 New
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    Quote: tihon4uk
    As long as the salary is 20-30 thousand, no adequate person will choose this direction. Pay with dignity and the staff will appear.

    You are both right and wrong at the same time. Anyone who loves his job, who is keen on him, he will do it for a small salary.

    True, but all this - exactly as long as the question does not arise before him - how to feed his family and where to live.
  16. Dedok 14 January 2020 15: 27 New
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    Lies - for the "grandmother" have not yet done anything outstanding - only by vocation - and only geniuses.

    the question is not “grandmothers,” the question is a decent payment for a decent job.
    If we say that "our engines" are the best, then the payment should be "not average for the hospital" but better than everyone.
    The designers are also people, I dare say, they should eat, drink, have and support a family so that the SON of the designer goes to the designers, and not to the managers ...
  17. Po-tzan 15 January 2020 00: 27 New
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    Rostec short about the profession of aircraft engine design engineer


    Have you shown this there?

    1. bk316 15 January 2020 19: 10 New
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      What about it? This is today's with HH.ru
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        Quote: bk316
        This is today's

        This is also today. True, there are some discrepancies.

  18. gridasov 15 January 2020 10: 54 New
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    By the way, I want to say that there is no generational conflict. The young generation born and developing in the space of more dynamic and capacious info-processes sees or feels the inconsistency of many scientific substantiations with the tasks to be solved. They need really breakthrough justifications to move forward on them.
    1. Alex Nevs 15 January 2020 16: 59 New
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      To see and feel the discrepancy, it was necessary to learn and not (to hang out), to carry on absurdity with a smart look. Very very few literate youth.
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    How much money they pay - did not say? It’s an interesting thing, no doubt, but if at the top there are “effective” managers, financially “cutting” specialists (in terms of development, components, volumes and terms of tests, etc.), then the result will be negative ...