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Choice: Rostec's short film on the profession of aircraft engine design engineer

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Choice: Rostec's short film on the profession of aircraft engine design engineer

Knowledge brings people together, generations come together. Rostec presented the short film "Choice", which tells in an accessible language about such complex things as work on aviation engines. The film is dedicated to the work of engineers and designers who have dedicated their lives to such developments that allow our country to be among the leading countries in the field of aircraft engine manufacturing.


The video begins with a situation that can be described as a “generational conflict” - when a young man is so passionate about his computer that for him talking with his family becomes a burden. But, as a schoolboy finds out for himself, he and his grandfather have common ground and common interests, and what seemed to him commonplace - with a click of a button on the keyboard, in fact, is a complex world of technology that needs to be comprehended, completely devoting oneself to the profession .

Both professional actors and those same engineers involved in the design of aircraft engines took part in the filming of the video. In the film you can learn about the processes that precede the beginning of direct work on the power plant of the helicopter, as well as how the process of creating the engine of the desired design is being conducted.

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  1. antivirus
    antivirus 13 January 2020 20: 05
    +3
    Under the scalpel of nature and art
    Our spirit screams, flesh exhales,
    Giving birth to an organ for the sixth sense.

    how to convey the Spirit of Victory from the 19th century to the 21st .. and what will the next generation take in 2055 - "the engine does not forgive carelessness"
    1. lucul
      lucul 13 January 2020 20: 11
      +4
      how to convey the Spirit of Victory from the 19th century to the 21st .. and what will the next generation take in 2055 - "the engine does not forgive carelessness"

      If they put a constructor - a student - a "crammer" - there will never be any sense - he does not see the object as a whole, only fragments ...
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 13 January 2020 20: 12
        +4
        and I about the Sixth Sense and wrote - not about copying
  2. tihon4uk
    tihon4uk 13 January 2020 20: 06
    +7
    As long as the salary is 20-30 thousand, no adequate person will choose this direction. Pay with dignity and the staff will appear.
    1. lucul
      lucul 13 January 2020 20: 13
      +1
      As long as the salary is 20-30 thousand, no adequate person will choose this direction. Pay with dignity and the staff will appear.

      Lies - for "grandmothers" they have not done anything outstanding yet - only by vocation - and only geniuses.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 13 January 2020 20: 30
        +15
        Quote: lucul
        Lies - they have not done anything outstanding for the "grandmothers" - only by vocation - and only geniuses

        Vocation is certainly good, but you need to feed the family. Hungry mouths will not understand your calling and genius.
        1. Lycan
          Lycan 15 January 2020 09: 43
          +4
          I support Vyacheslav V.: If there is someone to feed (or if you want to live at least until middle age as a "person"), then most of those who are lucky with their brains will choose a job where they are paid. And work by vocation (with a salary below the level of self-esteem / family support) is not for everyone. That's why the "subsidence" in specialists:
          https://topwar.ru/166313-pochemu-u-nas-rakety-padajut-a-samolety-ne-poluchajutsja.html
          1. Alex Nevs
            Alex Nevs 15 January 2020 16: 20
            0
            The task of diving. And with such a statement, nothing happens. From the word at all.
      2. Vyacheslav Viktorovich
        Vyacheslav Viktorovich 13 January 2020 21: 00
        +8
        Quote: lucul
        Lies - for "grandmothers" they have not done anything outstanding yet - only by vocation - and only geniuses.
        Russia has outstanding products in the field of IT, a rare example of an industry that makes world-class products, and not on a Soviet basis. By a strange coincidence, salaries in IT are very good.
        1. Nick
          Nick 14 January 2020 02: 12
          0
          Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
          By a strange coincidence, salaries in IT are very good.

          Supply and demand. The demand for IT products is high, and there are not so many high-class programmers.
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 15 January 2020 10: 21
          +1
          Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
          By a strange coincidence, salaries in IT are very good

          Well, we found a consensus. The formula is simple "vocation, genius, good salary." Especially to people of the highest genius at the level of Mendeleev, Henry Ford. For example, Miller receives such a salary.
      3. The popuas
        The popuas 14 January 2020 04: 57
        0
        Times are not the same ... to work for an idea hi
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 14 January 2020 10: 21
          +1
          Quote: Popuas
          Times are not the same ... to work for an idea hi

          That's for sure, all the ideas remained in our glorious socialist past ....
          Being a chauffeur is good,
          and the pilot -
          better,
          I would go to the pilots,
          let them teach me.
          I pour gasoline into the tank,
          I get the propeller.
          "To heaven, motor, take it,
          so that the birds sing. ”
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 15 January 2020 10: 29
            0
            Quote: Stroporez
            I pour gasoline into the tank,
            I get the propeller.

            I pour gasoline into the tank,
            but no gas.
            On the left, the inscription reads:
            "Time is over guys,
            no money, we fly on foot on dry land. "
        2. Alex Nevs
          Alex Nevs 15 January 2020 16: 24
          -1
          Duc capitalism. It will be in all its glory when everything is privatized, but for now ... While there is something to privatize ... And on the way to full capitalism, a mess is inevitable. No matter how the controlled services are controlled, they will not cope.
    2. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 13 January 2020 21: 11
      +1
      Quote: tihon4uk
      As long as the salary is 20-30 thousand, no adequate person will choose this direction. Pay with dignity and the staff will appear.

      What, right so they will appear right away? If you start paying 350t.r.? Do not make people laugh.
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 14 January 2020 10: 19
        +3
        Quote: cherkas.oe
        What, right so they will appear right away? If you start paying 350t.r.? Do not make people laugh.

      2. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs 15 January 2020 16: 26
        0
        Well of course not. The school still needs to be finished, and, moreover, not to sit out but to unlearn it. Then the higher one. With today's very, very ...
    3. Artemiy_2
      Artemiy_2 13 January 2020 21: 20
      -3
      Where does the data about 20-30 thousand come from? Grandma Zina said?
    4. KERMET
      KERMET 13 January 2020 23: 08
      +3
      Quote: tihon4uk
      As long as the salary is 20-30 thousand, no adequate person will choose this direction. Pay with dignity and the staff will appear.

      If everything comes down to a salary, then worthy countries will eventually be outbid by richer countries, with a higher standard of living and prospects
      1. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs 15 January 2020 16: 27
        0
        Yes, it has long been completed, and we are going down this path ... for now.
    5. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 14 January 2020 00: 29
      +3
      Quote: tihon4uk
      As long as the salary is 20-30 thousand, no adequate person will choose this direction. Pay with dignity and the staff will appear.

      You are both right and wrong at the same time. Those who love their work, who are passionate about it, will do it for a small salary. Another thing is that the state should take care of them so that they are not distracted by worries about "their daily bread" for themselves and their families. And, at the same time, one should not give them much, so as not to attract into their ranks a host of mediocrities who are not capable of anything other than "earning dough" on the work of these enthusiasts in their field. This is a very difficult and difficult question.
      1. Primus
        Primus 14 January 2020 04: 01
        +3
        Well, I love my job, well, I am a designer. Only now nobody needs a designer, now I'm an engineer of everything in the world, nobody specializes in specialization for a long time. Fortunately, skills allow you to master related areas. I’m hunting, and there’s self-esteem, I will not give up my experience for free, so I won’t go to 20 tons.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 15 January 2020 10: 35
          +3
          Quote: Primus
          Only now nobody needs a designer, now I'm an engineer of everything in the world, nobody specializes in specialization for a long time

          My sister in St. Petersburg was a leading designer in aviation instrumentation, two children want to eat at home. Now works as a hairdresser.
      2. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs 15 January 2020 16: 30
        0
        The general has a son. What are you about. Those days are over. The ideology is about "grandmas" and not about the state and "learn, learn, and learn." So the general's son and nothing else. While those in power have capital over the hill ...
    6. Far East
      Far East 14 January 2020 10: 27
      -3
      yes, that's enough! measure everything with loot!
      1. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs 15 January 2020 16: 31
        +1
        Nooooo. Will not be enough. Already in full swing. Full stride. And no more action! "This is capitalism, baby."
        1. Far East
          Far East 16 January 2020 10: 10
          -2
          hear! Baby! with your girlfriend, so you’ll mess around!
          1. Alex Nevs
            Alex Nevs 16 January 2020 10: 11
            0
            Specially took in brackets! For it does not apply to you.
            1. Far East
              Far East 16 January 2020 10: 12
              -2
              we are not literate trained!
              1. Alex Nevs
                Alex Nevs 16 January 2020 10: 13
                0
                Very sorry, very.
                1. Far East
                  Far East 16 January 2020 10: 14
                  -2
                  take pity on your neighbor!
                  1. Alex Nevs
                    Alex Nevs 16 January 2020 10: 20
                    0
                    Come on. Stop to her god.
    7. Sergey1987
      Sergey1987 14 January 2020 14: 30
      +1
      Quote: tihon4uk
      As long as the salary is 20-30 thousand, no adequate person will choose this direction. Pay with dignity and the staff will appear.

      Design engineers in mechanical engineering have no such salaries. There from 50 thousand start.
    8. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 14 January 2020 21: 32
      +2
      Where are these salaries? A good friend works for me, though not in the aviation industry, but in shipbuilding, a design engineer, far from thirty earned.
    9. bk316
      bk316 15 January 2020 19: 17
      +1
      As long as the salary is 20-30 thousand, not a single adequate person will choose this direction. Pay with dignity and staff will appear

      I understand that about 20-30 thousand you are figuratively. So we will not pay attention to numbers.
      The fact is that
      1) money genius is not interested in words at all. Therefore, they are so in life and unsettled
      2) mediocrity will not do anything outstanding for any money

      So they will not appear - everything is much more complicated. Personnel must be raised and not try to buy, because it is a dead end. Well, you have to pay yes with dignity.

      I believe that 200 thousand for the military-industrial complex for a good specialist is quite worthy, not brilliant but worthy.
      1. Rey_ka
        Rey_ka 2 March 2020 12: 19
        0
        Well, what for me, your money to me and 20 ki is enough for me alone and for the cat! what are you all measuring money !?
  3. Sling cutter
    Sling cutter 13 January 2020 20: 11
    0
    And what about the NK-93 ?!
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 January 2020 20: 32
      0
      Quote: Stroporez
      And what about the NK-93 ?!

      I am not a man of aviation, but I read a lot about him, and something in me trembled.
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 13 January 2020 20: 53
      +1
      Quote: Stroporez
      And what about the NK-93 ?!

      There Lenka Zakharova will come right now and give it to all of us.
      1. cherkas.oe
        cherkas.oe 13 January 2020 21: 16
        +6
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        There Lenka Zakharova will come right now and give it to all of us.

        But you don't need to scoff at "Lenki". They are already trying to enlighten everyone at the limit of their reason. love
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 14 January 2020 10: 17
        +2
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        There Lenka Zakharova will come right now and give it to all of us.

        I get scared))))
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 15 January 2020 10: 38
          0
          Quote: Stroporez
          I get scared

          Well, I'm old, I won’t.
    3. Bobrick
      Bobrick 14 January 2020 11: 39
      +1
      Currently deprecated.
      At the time of testing, I went beyond the calculated values ​​(it turned out to be 15-20% heavier than the calculated one and the temperature behind the compressor, it turns out, turned out to be 100 or 200 K higher). As a result, according to the test results, the aircraft with the NK-93 engine had a greater consumption than with the PS-90A engine (by 2-4%) due to the significantly larger mass and size.

      At least, this is what classmates said in a speech about fan engines.
  4. gridasov
    gridasov 13 January 2020 20: 16
    +1
    The modern aircraft engine has exhausted its development resource. Who then needs to be in order to see not only problems, but also to offer a fundamentally new process and the device itself.
    1. kjhg
      kjhg 13 January 2020 20: 44
      +1
      Quote: gridasov
      offer a fundamentally new process and the device itself

      How do you see the aircraft engines of the future? Surely you have racked your brains more than once, thinking about them? Can share?
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 13 January 2020 21: 29
        +1
        No need to break your head. Everything is absolutely obvious! It is necessary to change the location of the blades in order to fundamentally change the algorithms of the physical process. Then you can use the potential energy and air flow or liquids. This is not just a new device, it is a device that can replace screws, propellers and, accordingly, all types of turbines. The new device and new process algorithms will change the basis of the industrial world because they change the balance of the energy consumed received. Speaking directly about aircraft engines, the turbine in the form of a new
        process and a new design, at the same time it is also a compressor with a reference flow. The new process allows you to change the polarization process of the blades at the end of the hydro-gas-dynamic flow. This is simple physics. But the most important thing is that the complexity of the processes in such a device, as well as the understanding of the processes in modern engines, are considered by new mathematical methods of analysis. In general, the topic is extensive, since the device is applicable both as a new mover, but also as a reactor combined with an electronic magnetic generator. Therefore, in the aspect of energy production, this is generally an opportunity to obtain a new quality of energy. And these are fundamentally new nuclear process reactors. The combination of many processes that are now considered separate and unrelated has not only a dual purpose, but also of great scientific importance, since they will allow you to get radically higher energy densities in the process. As a conclusion, dialogue is possible only with competent people. Since knowledge is combined in mathematical methods of big data analysis, high energy physics and electromagnetic and turbulent and plasma processes. Of course, you might think that this is just a set of terms and unrelated phrases, but try to describe very capacious processes in two words
        1. kjhg
          kjhg 13 January 2020 22: 01
          +1
          Of course I understood a little of what you wrote. But to my question about the promising area of ​​work on engines of the next level, I received an answer. Thanks for this.
          Quote: gridasov
          As a conclusion, dialogue is possible only with competent people.
          I agree. Unfortunately, my level of knowledge does not allow discussing this topic.
        2. cherkas.oe
          cherkas.oe 13 January 2020 22: 44
          +3
          Quote: gridasov
          .As a conclusion, dialogue is possible only with competent people. Since knowledge is combined in mathematical methods of big data analysis, high energy physics and electromagnetic and turbulent and plasma processes. Of course, you might think that this is just a set of terms and unrelated phrases, but try to describe very capacious processes in two words

          In order not only to calculate, but even only to describe processes in the formats described by you, a computer with capacities not yet created can use it, and you are already operating with them - you are a genius.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 13 January 2020 23: 44
            +5
            Quote: cherkas.oe
            you already operate on them - you are a genius

            This is a well-known bot. You have been on the site for seven years, congratulations - you finally met him belay laughing
            1. cherkas.oe
              cherkas.oe 14 January 2020 00: 07
              +3
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              You finally met him

              Yes, I have not been on the site for two years, I was resting in the bathhouse for supposedly "mate", but in fact for opposing the sons of David.
            2. cherkas.oe
              cherkas.oe 14 January 2020 00: 11
              -2
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              This is a well-known bot.

              Yes, I realized that either the bot, or, therefore, called him a genius.
            3. gridasov
              gridasov 14 January 2020 00: 17
              0
              You are tactless and frankly stupid. The future of man is in his desire to have this future. Not far away is the hour when humanity will have to consolidate its knowledge in confrontation with external forces. Let us call this so as not to complicate. Therefore, for the confrontation to be balanced, a person needs new knowledge. Therefore, on the topic, in order to tear off heavy transport structures from the planet’s surface and not increase the negative masses of fuel and the number of engines in order to overcome dense ionized layers of the atmosphere, it is necessary to ionize the surfaces of these missiles with appropriate technology. Therefore, the so-called flying saucers have simple shapes that harmoniously distribute magnetic fluxes. And in order to create the corresponding potential for the anti-gravitational potential and the potential for overcoming the ionized layer of the atmosphere, either a high energy density and, accordingly, a generator or a large area of ​​ionized surfaces with its further concentration and retention are needed. Therefore, only the use of a high energy density and generators, the basis of which is a new turbine, can have the prospect of development rather than regression. And in general, communication with people looking to the real future, rather than living corpses, is a priority
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 14 January 2020 21: 46
                +4
                Quote: gridasov
                You are tactless and frankly stupid

                H'm. "Gridasov", I just know you since the fourteenth year.

                "Fractals, fractals" laughing
                1. gridasov
                  gridasov 14 January 2020 22: 14
                  +3
                  If I knew this, I would respond more tactfully. But fractal structures are still not calculated, but there is a technique for their mathematical construction
              2. Alex Nevs
                Alex Nevs 15 January 2020 16: 43
                0
                It is enough to give either a negative sign to the earth's gravitons, or "close the effect of the Higgs bosons" - and a negative mass of fuel is not needed.
        3. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 13 January 2020 22: 48
          +1
          Quote: gridasov
          It is necessary to change the location of the blades in order to fundamentally change the algorithms of the physical process.

          How's that?
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 13 January 2020 23: 25
            +1
            You see, the work of an aircraft engine should be considered not only as achieving power, which at a certain moment ceases to affect the effective operation of the blades for rejecting air masses, but also as an economical and optimal process for energy consumption. If you take a digression into history, then many scientists asked questions at what levels it is necessary to change the planes in which the hydro-gas-dynamic flow and magnetic power flows work, so that the process algorithms are not destructive, but constantly at positive extremes, in order to achieve maximum data on the system's operation. Therefore, I will say one thing that modern turbines do not use a critical physical process
            On which the new level of efficiency of the entire system depends. The blades do not provide the opportunity to obtain a high energy density of the flow, so the solution is technically very simple. But further it is important to build such process algorithms so that each subsequent stage does not level the previous
          2. Alex Nevs
            Alex Nevs 15 January 2020 16: 44
            +1
            Cut the curved edges with welding. laughing
        4. Agieros
          Agieros 13 January 2020 23: 29
          +1
          It seems to me, or does the description produce a pulsating air-jet engine? And my brain breaks, how will the polarization of the flow on the turbine blades change? In what context was the term used? Just wondering
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 13 January 2020 23: 46
            +1
            First, in that context, it was used that the hydrodynamic flow in a free process always moves along the same vectors as the magnetic force flows. But the hydro-gas-dynamic flow always ironizes the outflow surface, which increases the tension at the ends of these blades and the entire outflow surface. Therefore, the potential difference in a closed hydro-gas-dynamic flow manifests itself in its potential energy and is expressed, for example, from laminar outflow to turbulent others. And this is not difficult to understand. Therefore, it is necessary to create such a process that cavitation and explosive effects occur outside the outflow planes and the radially directed vector itself is directed to an additional impulse of rotor rotation. This means that pulsations and detonations will always correspond to the rotation speed and quantity, so we will call the blades as the fractal correspondence of the quantitative parameters. this is very important because if this is not the case, the oscillations of the rotor plane along the periphery will be disharmonized with the flow frequency along the longitudinal motion vector, which is fraught with imbalance of the whole process. In general, everyone needs to understand that a turbine blade or blade rotates at different speeds at their ends, and therefore, an increase in the air flow rate only ironizes them even more, up to electronic emission of metal at their tips like helicopter blades in the desert or in fog.
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 14 January 2020 00: 41
              +1
              Quote: gridasov
              hydro-gas-dynamic flow

              What is it like? Hydrodynamic flow or gasdynamic flow?
              Quote: gridasov
              ... then the oscillations of the rotor plane around the periphery ...

              It is interesting.
              1. Uncle lee
                Uncle lee 14 January 2020 03: 05
                +5
                - Intourist, speaks well!
                - And what does he say specifically?
                - But the dog knows!
                "Ivan Vasilievich changes his profession"
                1. gridasov
                  gridasov 15 January 2020 10: 32
                  +2
                  And you would first read the topic title. But as according to Zhvanetsky, who has no mind, he immediately begins to judge. I’m reading today that Chinese Americans spun up a fraction of up to a billion revs per second. And this must be so illiterate so as not to understand that the spin also causes movement along the axis of rotation. And based on the design, there is nothing to hold the particle. Ie frank lies and only. Or didn’t they understand anything. So you guys need another bar! here people are kind of like engine draftsmen
              2. gridasov
                gridasov 14 January 2020 10: 37
                +1
                oscillations of the rotor disk in any moving flow have their own parameters. These oscillations have the form of both radial and peripheral peripheral parts of the plane of the rotor, etc. In general, as the water surface of the sea or others in all directions. Therefore, methods of mathematical analysis are needed, not computational, but completely different.
                1. Krasnoyarsk
                  Krasnoyarsk 14 January 2020 10: 44
                  0
                  Quote: gridasov
                  rotor disc vibrations

                  Is the rotor a disk?
                  1. gridasov
                    gridasov 14 January 2020 10: 48
                    +1
                    Yes! You are a compliment for your attention! I begin to discover the details. But keep in mind they may also be the property of others. I think you are not the only ones so attentive. True disk is only one particular aspect or element of an element of a constructive solution. And here you need to understand why the disc.
                2. Alex Nevs
                  Alex Nevs 15 January 2020 16: 47
                  0
                  Have you forgotten the longitudinal vibrations?
            2. Lycan
              Lycan 15 January 2020 09: 50
              0
              Quote: gridasov
              ironic

              can "ionize"? (in 2 places it was, therefore I paid attention)
          2. gridasov
            gridasov 14 January 2020 22: 18
            +2
            This is what we are talking about! How to change the direction of polarization? But precisely in this way, in the centrifugal process of rotation of the blades, the boundary limits of their destruction radically change. And believe me, it is simple and obvious to understand. This is generally equivalent to how a person cannot understand how to compact the information space and how a multipolar transistor works.
        5. Cottodraton
          Cottodraton 14 January 2020 01: 57
          +1
          What a trifle! We take it higher and collect the vimaana on a mercury engine, well, or at least a gravitap on a cold TNS
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 14 January 2020 10: 44
            +1
            By the way, you are not far from the truth. Our device can work in a closed cycle of ionization conversion. That is, if mercury is used as a substance that is very highly ionizing on the surface of the outflow, then not only the potential of high-capacity electronic magnetic energy can be removed from individual parts of the system to ionize the aircraft planes, but also the potential of such modulation by parameters that cannot be obtained by other methods. I repeat that to detach massive objects from the planet, it is not the power of rocket engines that is needed, but the corresponding potential on the surface of this object
  5. svp67
    svp67 13 January 2020 20: 17
    +3
    The most interesting thing is that in this video the boy does not have a dad, that is, the situation is real ... there are grandfathers in the industry, fathers do not understand where, all hope that grandchildren will be interested ...
    1. Tatyana Pershina
      Tatyana Pershina 13 January 2020 20: 59
      +5
      In the forties, indeed, a complete failure.
      I remember that in Soviet times I had two female friends, engineers. They were no engineers: one by vocation - a designer (she easily made candy out of Mr.); the other is a dog handler (almost until her death, working dog competitions were invited to judge). But it was fashionable technical education. and all their lives they have blown away, practicing (sitting out) their legitimate s / n.
      In the 90s, it became fashionable to receive the education of an economist and lawyer. How many failed design engineers flock to the offices of any economist and lawyer, having received a fashionable education with a kick of parents!
      1. cherkas.oe
        cherkas.oe 13 January 2020 22: 51
        0
        Quote: Tatiana Pershina
        How many failed design engineers flock to the offices of any economist and lawyer, having received a fashionable education with a kick of parents!

        Ah, how I agree with you! sad
        1. Tatyana Pershina
          Tatyana Pershina 14 January 2020 20: 09
          +1
          The most offensive thing is that these are already lost frames forever. You can turn a techie into an economist or a lawyer in six months, but you can never make a design engineer out of the latter, since the foundation of education can no longer be replenished. Although, perhaps, there are exceptions, but they do not "weather".
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 14 January 2020 21: 36
            +1
            A good, competent lawyer or economist for six months can not be built from a techie. As well as making a technician out of the humanities.
            1. Tatyana Pershina
              Tatyana Pershina 14 January 2020 22: 01
              -1
              Let me disagree. For half a year, an economist-lawyer will easily turn out to be a techie - an example is practically all bankers-financiers of the 90s from mathematicians and techies.
              1. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. 14 January 2020 22: 40
                +2
                The lawyer, grabbing the tops, may succeed. A professional means many years of practice. Well, a vocation, where without him.
          2. Alex Nevs
            Alex Nevs 15 January 2020 16: 51
            0
            Unfortunately, there are no exceptions. A technician should be born and it should be directed (school education and not rubbing his pants). And without the direction thereof 50 \ 50 and even then taken from a flashlight.
            1. gridasov
              gridasov 15 January 2020 16: 56
              +2
              One cannot disagree with this! Techie iron feels alive!
  6. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 13 January 2020 20: 27
    +11
    Well, what can I say ... We must send to the "Oscar" ...
    There were factories in Kemerovo, where big-headed and arm-laden guys could improve their technical skills. Today in their place are either ruins or a shopping center. I don’t even know if our schoolchildren have the opportunity, as a child, to see production, evaluate the work of machines, see finished products ...
    This is the right decision to show us a game video. There are 25 highly qualified jobs with a salary of 000 rubles or more empty in the country, and after school, people rush to their top twenty in Magnets, Tapes and Pyaterochka ... You can puzzle to death over pieces of iron, but here and girls, and career growth ...
    lol
    With technical brains need to be determined at primary school age, and not after thirty years of "effective management" ...
    1. Agieros
      Agieros 13 January 2020 23: 47
      +2
      I apologize, but where are these places and where are the salaries. I work at a plant in St. Petersburg, I only theoretically saw these 80000. And in St. Petersburg there are few enterprises that honestly pay more than 50. If you look at the vacancies of Head Hunter, then yes, salaries of one hundred thousand, but when you come to the enterprise - you want one hundred thousand, then you should be an engineer / technologist / machine operator / toolmaker / adjuster / mechanic / toastmaster ... But in vacancies they do not indicate this, so, on the spot they say "well, you understand." In Moscow, reviews are no better. Do you know which dances with a tambourine are worth introducing something, or making a change to the drawing? I do not know where these 25 million jobs are. I work with guys from different cities and different enterprises, all came here not because of a good life. I don't know where the salaries are. Now, if they really start to pay, then production will be saturated with people.
      1. The popuas
        The popuas 14 January 2020 10: 42
        0
        That irony was ... fool
  7. 7,62x54
    7,62x54 13 January 2020 20: 29
    +7
    Knowledge brings together, but the difference in salaries between an engineer and an effective manager erects barricades.
    1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich
      Vyacheslav Viktorovich 13 January 2020 21: 06
      +7
      Moreover, the video creates a strong feeling that it was invented by effective managers, discussing at the next meeting for their managerial salary the question "how else can we attract labor to places where we ourselves do not want to work."
      1. 7,62x54
        7,62x54 13 January 2020 21: 44
        0
        Yes, managers want to be closer to engineers, but the lack of competencies among the former does not allow this.
      2. gridasov
        gridasov 13 January 2020 21: 53
        +1
        I believe that a great video and those who understand it will be even more inspired by creativity.
  8. cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe 13 January 2020 21: 24
    0
    Quote: gridasov
    but also offer a fundamentally new process and the device itself.

    Did the detonation jet engine run out too? Or has he not even begun his experimental development?
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 13 January 2020 21: 50
      +1
      In our device, detonation processes are used to the full extent. Moreover, each, so-called explosive stage, on the path of transformation of the stream is converted into an additional impulse of rotation of the rotor. Again, in this case, the detonation pulse algorithms are constructed in the corresponding algorithms of the rotor dimension.
  9. boriz
    boriz 13 January 2020 21: 45
    +5
    I didn’t look. It's disgusting. I was not taught to design these particular engines. But I knew a lot of guys who graduated from the Moscow Higher Technical School in this specialty, just like I did in 1979. and who made it clear that they are not needed by our beloved homeland and to hell. I can imagine with what expressions of the Russian language (bashfully not accepted on this site) they will watch this video (those of them who can still watch).
    Ah, why is it that such engines are bad at us? ...
    And why is it so no one to design and do? ...
    I expect a "natural" reaction from the moderator ...
  10. gridasov
    gridasov 13 January 2020 21: 56
    +1
    I want to note that modern technologies of aircraft engines have reached the limit of improvement and their further development leads only to a decrease in their quality factor. I’m talking about completely new levels and engine performance and new perspectives.
    1. Bobrick
      Bobrick 14 January 2020 11: 22
      0
      What is meant by quality factor?
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 14 January 2020 12: 36
        +1
        By increasing the radius of the blades in the turbine or increasing the speed of rotation, which could improve work efficiency - I hope you understand what is meant by this, it has boundary limits, after which the destruction of structural parts occurs. For example, in rocket engines, in the desire to increase the payload, the operation parameters of the turbo fuel with a supercharger increase. They are the key cause of engine failure. Moreover, modern aviation turbines are multi-stage and there are a lot of structural components. We are talking about monoconstruction and one step !!! At the same time, performance is orders of magnitude higher. Moreover, the scale, respectively, may be less per level. Moreover, I already wrote that our design can work with front and swirl flows. And the reasons for the significant deceleration of the flow come precisely from the incorrect or not at all use of the swirling rear flow processes. The quality factor is precisely the guarantee of non-destructive operation of the device at higher rotation speeds and loads.
  11. Shahno
    Shahno 13 January 2020 22: 01
    +2
    Quote: gridasov
    No need to break your head. Everything is absolutely obvious! It is necessary to change the location of the blades in order to fundamentally change the algorithms of the physical process. Then you can use the potential energy and air flow or liquids. This is not just a new device, it is a device that can replace screws, propellers and, accordingly, all types of turbines. The new device and new process algorithms will change the basis of the industrial world because they change the balance of the energy consumed received. Speaking directly about aircraft engines, the turbine in the form of a new
    process and a new design, at the same time it is also a compressor with a reference flow. The new process allows you to change the polarization process of the blades at the end of the hydro-gas-dynamic flow. This is simple physics. But the most important thing is that the complexity of the processes in such a device, as well as the understanding of the processes in modern engines, are considered by new mathematical methods of analysis. In general, the topic is extensive, since the device is applicable both as a new mover, but also as a reactor combined with an electronic magnetic generator. Therefore, in the aspect of energy production, this is generally an opportunity to obtain a new quality of energy. And these are fundamentally new nuclear process reactors. The combination of many processes that are now considered separate and unrelated has not only a dual purpose, but also of great scientific importance, since they will allow you to get radically higher energy densities in the process. As a conclusion, dialogue is possible only with competent people. Since knowledge is combined in mathematical methods of big data analysis, high energy physics and electromagnetic and turbulent and plasma processes. Of course, you might think that this is just a set of terms and unrelated phrases, but try to describe very capacious processes in two words

    // Speaking directly about aircraft engines, the turbine in the form of a new
    process and a new design, at the same time it is also a compressor with a reference flow.
    That's why, even the AI ​​has read articles about quantum dualism. Well, actually, it's funny ... Can grandfather be a grandmother? laughing
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 13 January 2020 22: 22
      +2
      Maybe, and how!
  12. General failure
    General failure 13 January 2020 22: 25
    +2
    A good propaganda movie, but without the details of the turbo engine and tede.

    I recently found a channel in YouTube where one Canadian capitalizes turbo engines under the camera. True, the engines of the 50s are from Saber and Supersaber. Explanations, of course, in English.
    Technoporno, I'll tell you - maximum hardcore. I watched a week in a row and still want to. Search YouTube for "Orenda, J47, J79"

    And, the question is, are there any YouTube channels where they are engaged in disassembling, sorting and so on of all kinds of turbines? I just want to look at the guts of other models.
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 13 January 2020 23: 29
      -2
      the basic principles of the process are the same for all turbines. Therefore, do not waste energy searching. But think of a new one, while not a single kb can
      1. General failure
        General failure 14 January 2020 01: 36
        +2
        Dear, you just don’t know what you are talking about.
        Do you know the turbine device details of at least the 50s? And turbines a generation a little older? Those videos give at least some idea about this.
        Some books are recommended there (in English), and lo and behold, some are even downloaded on the Internet.

        I am very sorry that you, having put on the Know-it-all cap, are trying to talk about what, judging by your statements, you understand absolutely nothing.
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 14 January 2020 10: 54
          +1
          I repeat once again that you and everyone else are working with particular aspects of the whole complex of processes. You are not able to build a mathematical model of the whole complex of combined algorithmically related processes. And you can’t because you don’t know what a constant value function is. Therefore, they are not able to build a model as a numerical dynamically changing system. You do not even know the mechanism of ionization of the surfaces of the expiration. In general, the analysis of the operation of an aircraft engine should be carried out as electromagnetic processes, and not as they are doing now.
      2. gridasov
        gridasov 14 January 2020 19: 51
        +1
        This is of course tin! The whole system process is not used in modern turbines and nobody sees this. Not only are the blind with their minds, but also the minus people stick out their stupidity
    2. beeper
      beeper 14 January 2020 04: 34
      0
      And, the question is, are there any YouTube channels where they are engaged in disassembling, sorting and so on of all kinds of turbines? I just want to look at the guts of other models.

      hi There are also Russian-language videos on YouTube showing how guys in their garage workshops build and test, and bring "all kinds of turbines" for aircraft models to flight condition.
      And they launch them on the radio from the runway of an abandoned airfield.
      During the week, one such video was also watched.
      I was interested to see the process of making from available trash, tools and technical processes - "golden hands" and the head of that guy, although it is clearly visible that he misunderstands the values ​​of careful profiling and the quality of the surfaces of the blades - he went by the poke method - at first he roughly milled in the form of three-sided prisms , only slightly rounding the edges, then reworking everything ... but, anyway, it's cool to look like in a garage, with a minimum of tools, even such an unsightly jet engine is born with nozzles from syringe needles and a stainless steel combustion chamber of an old washing machine, a rotor, at the "maximum" rotating at 100000 revolutions per minute (and even the boy himself at this time is standing nearby, in the plane of rotation) ...
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 14 January 2020 13: 54
        0
        Absolutely correctly noticed that it is not worth standing in the plane of rotation. They just do not understand the physical process. Therefore, if such guys suddenly disappear from the air, then the probability of the reasons is obvious.
  13. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 14 January 2020 00: 21
    +1
    Quote: lucul
    As long as the salary is 20-30 thousand, no adequate person will choose this direction. Pay with dignity and the staff will appear.

    Lies - for "grandmothers" they have not done anything outstanding yet - only by vocation - and only geniuses.

    In the USA they pay more, but the brains are almost entirely "imported", they cannot grow their own, how many years they have been buying rocket engines from Russia, they have probably "sucked" them up and down, and where are similar American ones?
  14. Cheerock
    Cheerock 14 January 2020 11: 13
    +1
    Quote: Artemiy_2
    Where does the data about 20-30 thousand come from? Grandma Zina said?

    A friend works as a leading engineer at an interesting plant in Kolomna, if that tells you anything. ZP 35 thousand.
  15. Cheerock
    Cheerock 14 January 2020 11: 20
    +1
    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
    Quote: tihon4uk
    As long as the salary is 20-30 thousand, no adequate person will choose this direction. Pay with dignity and the staff will appear.

    You are both right and wrong at the same time. Anyone who loves his job, who is keen on him, he will do it for a small salary.

    True, but all this - exactly as long as the question does not arise before him - how to feed his family and where to live.
  16. Dedok
    Dedok 14 January 2020 15: 27
    0
    Quote: lucul
    Lies - for "grandmothers" they have not done anything outstanding yet - only by vocation - and only geniuses.

    the question is not about "money", the question is about decent pay for a decent job.
    If we say that "our engines" are the best, then the payment should be "not the average in the hospital" but the best.
    The designers are also people, I dare say, they should eat, drink, have and support a family so that the SON of the designer goes to the designers, and not to the managers ...
  17. Po-tzan
    Po-tzan 15 January 2020 00: 27
    +4
    Rostec short about the profession of aircraft engine design engineer


    Have you shown this there?

    1. bk316
      bk316 15 January 2020 19: 10
      +1
      What about it? This is today's with HH.ru
      1. region58
        region58 18 January 2020 19: 21
        -1
        Quote: bk316
        This is today's

        This is also today. True, there are some discrepancies.

  18. gridasov
    gridasov 15 January 2020 10: 54
    +2
    By the way, I want to say that there is no generational conflict. The young generation born and developing in the space of more dynamic and capacious info-processes sees or feels the inconsistency of many scientific substantiations with the tasks to be solved. They need really breakthrough justifications to move forward on them.
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 15 January 2020 16: 59
      0
      To see and feel the discrepancy, it was necessary to learn and not (to hang out), to carry on absurdity with a smart look. Very very few literate youth.
  19. Eug
    Eug 12 March 2020 09: 00
    0
    How much money do they pay - they didn't say? An interesting matter, there is no dispute, but if there are "effective" managers at the top, financially "cutting" specialists (in terms of development, components, volumes and timing of tests, etc.), then the result will be negative ...