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Budget land. Where to move "Armata" and "Kurganets"

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The Armata tank has been praised for a long time. What epithets and comparisons were not chosen for him! And the crown of the Tagil school of tank building, and the T-34 of our time, and a model of a revolutionary breakthrough in technology that no one can copy, and a machine with good export potential.


The latter characteristic, incidentally, applies to the “Kurgan” with “Boomerang”. The commander-in-chief of the ground forces O. Salyukov in November last year called “Armata”, BMP “Kurganets-25” and BTR “Boomerang” promising samples and noted that these samples surpass the characteristics of any foreign competitor.

In the same November, S. Chemezov, head of Rostec, reported on the production of a pilot batch for the army, as well as the fact that preparation for production was being completed.

At the end of 2019 "News future ”increased.

Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov told the Russia 24 channel about the good capabilities of Russia in all directions. He mentioned the S-500 systems, which are on the way, standing in line for the S-400, and aviation listed the Su-35, Su-34 and Su-57 with good positions. Borisov also settled on a new platform for general forces, including Armata, Kurganets and Boomerang. He attributed the above to the account of potential export opportunities of Russia “in the future”.

The year 2020 has come.

At the first ministerial collegium in the new year, Russian Minister of Defense S. Shoigu announced the volume and structure of expenditures on state defense orders. Almost 68% of the money should go to serial purchases of the latest designs, the minister quotes "Vedomosti".

A source close to the ministry told the publication that the ground forces have the lowest rearmament rate, which is associated with both a high resource of armored vehicles and a shift to the right of a number of programs like Kurganets, Boomerang and Armata.

The interlocutor also recalled that after the United States withdrew from the INF Treaty, President Putin ordered the development of high-precision weapon. Namely, these land-based weapons will be delivered through the ground forces.

K. Makienko, an expert at the AST Center (Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies), admits that plans not to increase rearmament costs in the new year will be met. In addition, according to open information, the supply in 2019 of a number of major types of weapons was at one of the lowest levels in recent years.

According to the latest information, 24-25 are produced at the moment. tanks T-14 Armata. At the same time, the relevant department does not conceal that volumes that are larger than produced are currently extremely difficult to realize, as long as questions arise regarding possible exports. But, at the same time, in order to have export orders, first you need to put the latest tanks in your own Armed forces.
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“News on Saturday” (vesti.ru website, TV report frame)
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  1. vorobey
    vorobey 13 January 2020 12: 46
    +35
    water and no specifics
    1. novel66
      novel66 13 January 2020 12: 59
      +14
      very specifically - missiles are needed, but the dough is not enough for Armata. Hi hi
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 13 January 2020 13: 03
        -13
        Quote: novel xnumx
        very specifically - missiles are needed, but the dough is not enough for Armata. Hi hi


        Hi Rom .. Armata and unnecessary .. A batch of 30 pieces is being prepared now, but it is not needed, I think that this is a pilot interim project .. The Kurgan people have not enough capacity yet and therefore are shifting.
        1. The popuas
          The popuas 13 January 2020 13: 07
          +19
          If there is not enough "capacity" for a manned project, then where will they come from in the future !?
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 13 January 2020 13: 12
            +5
            Quote: Popuas
            If there is not enough "capacity" for a manned project, then where will they come from in the future !?


            Maxim will have enough power fittings at UVZ, but why if the line is behind t90. As such, the Armata platform is promising for the infantry and all. but the Kurgan plant is in trouble. I don’t know what is being done there now, but modernization of both the space and equipment there requires complete
      2. antivirus
        antivirus 13 January 2020 13: 19
        -10
        our tanks won’t go to conquer territories - we’ll destroy the adversary’s bridges with missiles. paralyzing enemy vehicles
      3. Xenofont
        Xenofont 13 January 2020 13: 55
        +11
        I remember the "corn strategy": missiles are our everything, the rest - as necessary!
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 13 January 2020 17: 27
          -5
          Quote: Xenofont
          I remember the "corn strategy": missiles are our everything, the rest - as necessary!

          Well, what was he wrong about?
          1. Xenofont
            Xenofont 13 January 2020 17: 29
            +9
            One at the expense of the other ... The fleet suffered, aviation, artillery. Then I had to catch up in the midst of the Cold War.
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 13 January 2020 19: 45
              -5
              Quote: Xenofont
              The fleet suffered, aviation, artillery. Then I had to catch up in the midst of the Cold War.

              Well, we always caught up to listen to Putin in armament, and in rocket too, but for some reason, the very same USA had a budget for all types of weapons ...
              1. Xenofont
                Xenofont 13 January 2020 20: 03
                +4
                Their economic structure is completely different: a private initiative of corporations (with their considerable budgets) allowed the defense department to choose from a relative set. And financial opportunities differed by at least an order of magnitude. Plus cooperation with developed countries of the Bloc. Yes, a lot more.
              2. Стена
                Стена 13 January 2020 20: 41
                +1
                Because not theft of cosmic proportions.
                1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
                  Nikolay Ivanov_5 13 January 2020 23: 44
                  +1
                  At the Pentagon, corruption and theft of other proportions, which our generals could not even dream of. hi
                  1. RUSS
                    RUSS 14 January 2020 08: 52
                    -4
                    Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
                    At the Pentagon, corruption and theft of other proportions, which our generals could not even dream of. hi

                    Have you come up with?
                  2. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 15 January 2020 09: 12
                    +2
                    Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
                    At the Pentagon, corruption and theft of other proportions, which our generals could not even dream of.

                    So they have a bigger budget.
        2. Alexander I
          Alexander I 15 January 2020 08: 28
          0
          the next tanks riveted like pies
    2. Azazelo
      Azazelo 13 January 2020 14: 11
      -6
      it turns out - the desire to spit once again in Russia. How can the authors of these articles be aware of that "kitchen"? Some other conclusions are drawn ...
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 13 January 2020 15: 25
        +3
        Quote: Azazelo
        How can the authors of these articles be aware of that "kitchen"?

        From where, from. Didn’t you read it? It is clearly written:
        A source close to the ministry told the publication ...

        "The source" is very close to the building of the Moscow region, just around the corner. laughing
      2. RUSS
        RUSS 13 January 2020 19: 47
        -2
        Quote: Azazelo
        it turns out - the desire to spit once again in Russia. How can the authors of these articles be aware of that "kitchen"? Some other conclusions are drawn ...

        So all the info is available, and from the MO there is a lot of information.
    3. Alexey from Perm
      Alexey from Perm 13 January 2020 15: 02
      +25
      Well, why, everything is very clear, read between the lines, the manufacturers are not ready, they can not release new equipment in the right quantities. They can only laugh at the Americans, and for a minute the pace of the release of F35 in 2019 was 1 car in 3 days. So compare the manufacturers in the United States and Russia.
      1. venik
        venik 13 January 2020 17: 57
        0
        Quote: Alexey from Perm
        Well, why, everything is very clear, read between the lines, the manufacturers are not ready, they can not release new equipment in the right quantities.

        ========
        Producers may be READY! Yes, that's the price - "bites" .... So you have to ponder: WHAT IN THE FIRST TIME ???
    4. venik
      venik 14 January 2020 19: 51
      0
      Quote: vorobey
      water and no specifics

      ========
      Oh, how I "adore" expressions like: "...A source close to the ministry told the publication........ "
      He himself worked for several years in the "editions" .... And I know perfectly well what kind of "sources" and what (and most importantly - HOW MUCH!), actually "They are standing"!!!
  2. Teberii
    Teberii 13 January 2020 12: 46
    +2
    Well, what to think about, maybe it will, maybe not.
  3. Victor_B
    Victor_B 13 January 2020 12: 49
    -3
    Well, where are the reasons why they do not produce?
    Can they save money on an aircraft carrier (from a neighboring branch)?
    It is quite possible to rivet on these grandmothers as many as you like and rip-off the SU-57 (they are also needed on the AV).
    Or maybe (and most likely so) a decision has been made not to rush expensively with these new products, but to invest in T-90 / 72B3M and SU-30/35/34 and it will be!
    Kurganets / T-15 ... well, they got to the company.
  4. rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 13 January 2020 12: 50
    +16
    So they would take everything to the right for 50 years and not take a steam bath, otherwise these paper plans and cartoons are of no interest to anyone anymore, pindocs have long figured out a PR man
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 13 January 2020 13: 00
      -3
      Quote: rotkiv04
      So they would take everything to the right for 50 years and not take a steam bath, otherwise these paper plans and cartoons are of no interest to anyone anymore, pindocs have long figured out a PR man

      That’s the shift. Little by little. And then you would immediately say something bad - why so moved so far, it would be better immediately to the scrap.
      But industry and design bureaus need to be loaded with something.
      So they finish it.
  5. NEXUS
    NEXUS 13 January 2020 12: 53
    +27
    What is the article about? !!!! More and more on VO article, how spaceships plow the expanses of the universe ...
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 13 January 2020 12: 56
      -2
      And to me, by the way, some participant flooded a year ago that they already had an experienced company riding near the training ground!
    2. Romka
      Romka 13 January 2020 12: 59
      +4
      The following article is about space. Oh, there are the prospects of wow.
    3. Roman070280
      Roman070280 13 January 2020 13: 02
      +9
      What life, such and articles ..))
    4. antivirus
      antivirus 13 January 2020 13: 21
      -4
      ships plow the expanses of the universe ...
      --and they furrow - everything is better than building tanks
    5. RUSS
      RUSS 13 January 2020 19: 50
      -1
      Quote: NEXUS
      What is the article about? !!!! More and more on VO article, how spaceships plow the expanses of the universe ...

      So we have "success" everywhere, "breakthroughs", etc.
  6. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 13 January 2020 12: 55
    +5
    As the proverb says "Du.rakam half of the work is not shown."

    As the Armat tank regiment is riveted, as ordered, then they will report.
  7. Comrade Michael
    Comrade Michael 13 January 2020 12: 56
    +4
    Yes there will be nothing. Calm down already. Upgraded junk will be. Everything will remain in the experimental batches, piece.
  8. BARKAS
    BARKAS 13 January 2020 12: 56
    +1
    If the program is shifted then it is not so terribly worse if it is cut in quantity, quality and technology.
    1. Comrade Michael
      Comrade Michael 13 January 2020 15: 28
      -3
      So be it.
      1. bars1
        bars1 13 January 2020 20: 59
        -3
        And we will all die!
  9. Fishery
    Fishery 13 January 2020 12: 57
    +9
    Yes, just the Russian Guard is still more relevant))))
    1. askort154
      askort154 13 January 2020 14: 51
      -9
      Tonya...... yes just Russian guard still relevant))))

      Tonya, learn Russian! Do not let the "bulk". love
      1. askort154
        askort154 13 January 2020 17: 57
        -4
        askort154 ....., Tonya, learn Russian! Do not let the "bulk".

        ABOUT ! How many minuses, so many ignoramuses! good

        For your information. Not "Rossgvardia", but "Rosgvardia"!
        (with one letter "C"). negative
      2. RUSS
        RUSS 13 January 2020 23: 30
        -5
        Quote: askort154
        "will bulk up".

        Heaped up? And who is it?
  10. Roman070280
    Roman070280 13 January 2020 13: 00
    +4
    Almaty, Kurgan and Su57 will enter the army immediately after the aircraft carrier ..
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 13 January 2020 13: 02
      -4
      Quote: Roman070280
      Almaty, Kurgan and Su57 will enter the army immediately after the aircraft carrier ..

      Rather, instead!
      1. Roman070280
        Roman070280 13 January 2020 13: 04
        +6
        Instead of aircraft carriers and armatures will build new hotels and ski resorts in Austria ?? I can not agree ..))
  11. Svarog
    Svarog 13 January 2020 13: 02
    +4
    Budget land. Where to move "Armata" and "Kurganets"

    And where are we moving everything towards a brighter future in 50 years .. and after another 50 ..
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 January 2020 16: 07
      -9
      Let them run on and test further - and it will work out like with the T 34, KV 1 KV 2 in the 41st tanks put into service and put into production, and then they went - permanent breakdowns, lack of shells, problems with maintenance and much more.
  12. knn54
    knn54 13 January 2020 13: 03
    +2
    "Moved" to the first overseas order. Tradition, however.
  13. KCA
    KCA 13 January 2020 13: 15
    +3
    Abrams has been produced since 1980, is being upgraded slowly, Leopard2 since 1970, Leclerc since 1986, with whom does Armate fight? Maybe the T-90M is enough? Well, for the price of Almaty, like 3-4, or even more, T-90M? When a probable adversary creates a new tank by 2030, you will see, and Armat will be in the army enough
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 13 January 2020 13: 26
      +3
      Quote: KCA
      Abrams has been produced since 1980, is being upgraded slowly, Leopard2 since 1970, Leclerc since 1986, with whom does Armate fight? Maybe the T-90M is enough? Well, for the price of Almaty, like 3-4, or even more, T-90M? When a probable adversary creates a new tank by 2030, you will see, and Armat will be in the army enough

      I’ll add a little ...

      Donald Trump’s visit to the US military-industrial complex is the first such visit by the American president since George W. Bush: he took a similar step in 2003. President Barack Obama refrained from such actions, and the significantly reduced level of military spending during his presidency did not even give rise to such visits, recalls Forbes. Production of modernized Abrams tanks at the Lima plant fell to one fighting vehicle per month, and in the ground forces The United States seriously considered the possibility of abandoning this plant in principle, - in fact, the only national enterprise capable of producing the main striking force of the ground forces - the main battle tanks .......

      ...... “Nevertheless, it should be noted that we are not talking about the full production cycle of new tanks at the Ohio plant. The last tank made from scratch, that is, starting with the procurement of armored parts and welding of hulls, it was launched in America more than ten years ago, "h

      ttps: //www.gazeta.ru/army/2019/03/20/12254869.shtml
      1. KCA
        KCA 13 January 2020 13: 29
        +3
        Yes, I wrote a little wrong, I knew that Abrams wasn’t released, they just modernized
    2. Dangerous
      Dangerous 13 January 2020 13: 52
      +15
      Quite strange logic. Deliberately create a situation in which there is no advantage over the enemy. What does it mean "when a potential enemy creates a new tank"? Do you suggest waiting and then being in the role of catch-up? I strongly doubt that "when they create a new tank" ours will be able to produce enough reinforcement. And to do with only T72 / 90 is to deliberately risk the lives of our soldiers, because they have no absolute advantage over the Abrams / leopards.
      1. KCA
        KCA 13 January 2020 15: 06
        0
        The tank of the new generation Armata has already been created, and the saturation of the necessary warheads with it is in question
        1. Dangerous
          Dangerous 13 January 2020 16: 09
          +8
          For some reason, the Americans do not raise such questions, adopting the first fifth-generation aircraft into service. The Russians have only 4e, so we won't accept F22 yet, and even more so F35. Well, it's funny! Yes, with flaws and alterations, but they were accepted and mass produced. If it's about money, then why not just tell ours - yes, the tank is cool and so on, but there is no money yet, but how will it appear so we will rivet it right away. What excuses like "not needed now".
      2. Edik
        Edik 13 January 2020 15: 12
        -1
        Quote: Dangerous
        What does it mean "when a potential enemy creates a new tank"? Do you suggest waiting and then being in the role of catch-up?

        They are dangerous in the role of those who are catching up! Why should we spend the extra money? Are we going to squeeze out half of Europe? No, we are not going to! Parity with the USA we are doing a little blood.
        1. Dangerous
          Dangerous 13 January 2020 16: 05
          +6
          We have parity with the USA only in nuclear weapons. The Air Force and the Navy are not equal, we have a number of tanks (including T72 in storage). So why not get ahead, once there is such an opportunity?
    3. RUSS
      RUSS 13 January 2020 23: 33
      -6
      Quote: KCA
      Abrams has been released since 1980, is being upgraded slowly, Leopard2 since 1970, Leclerc since 1986

      In the West, there is an understanding that the wars of the future will be waged without tanks or with their minimal participation, therefore they are in no hurry to create a new tank. For example, in Syria, our Ministry of Defense does not use tanks at all.
      1. KCA
        KCA 14 January 2020 04: 33
        +1
        Ours does not involve, but CAA and barmaley very much involve
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 14 January 2020 08: 54
          -5
          Quote: KCA
          Ours does not involve, but CAA and barmaley very much involve

          Third World countries will continue to use tanks
  14. Jack O'Neill
    Jack O'Neill 13 January 2020 13: 16
    -3
    What government, such and ...
    The whole country knows where the money goes. But we endure, endure ...
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 14 January 2020 03: 27
      +1
      Jack O'Nill Yesterday, 13:16
      -1
      What government, such and ...
      The whole country knows where the money goes. But we enduretolerate ...

      And MI, I'm sorry, who is this ?!
  15. Pavel57
    Pavel57 13 January 2020 13: 29
    0
    At one time, BTR-90 was not purchased and lost a part of the foreign market.
  16. Old26
    Old26 13 January 2020 13: 33
    +11
    Quote: knn54
    "Moved" to the first overseas order. Tradition, however.

    Well, foreign buyers are also not suckers. It is unlikely that they will buy something not in service with the seller's country. After all, you won’t miss their eyes with newspaper articles and TV interviews. There will be experience of exploitation - there will be buyers
  17. Artemiy_2
    Artemiy_2 13 January 2020 13: 43
    +5
    What a clowning in the comments. Platforms still have not passed
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 13 January 2020 13: 50
      +1
      Quote: Artemiy_2
      What a clowning in the comments. Platforms still have not passed


      clowning is a common thing ... let them frolic
    2. Cruorvult
      Cruorvult 13 January 2020 14: 14
      -1
      Nook, Monday, I need to throw something out for whiners.

      The expert expert still forgot about two contracts, one just had to be completed in 20 for the supply of the first 100, only shh.
  18. Troublemaker
    Troublemaker 13 January 2020 14: 33
    +7
    What naive people .... 6 Boreev in 2018 are already delivered ??? But the shoighe cheerfully at the meeting reported on the glorious repair of the diesel submarine, but they just forgot about the Boreas .... Scalpels restored ??? There will also be Armata with Kurgan ....
    1. Artemiy_2
      Artemiy_2 13 January 2020 15: 56
      -3
      That is, boreas will not be built?
  19. vladcub
    vladcub 13 January 2020 15: 03
    +3
    Oh, the trouble and only that "a tongue without bones": some especially gifted began to rattle about: "super-duper tank" Armata "and now every cat, and people even more so know about this tank, but did he go through the whole complex army tests?
    By God, the officials need to tie their mouths so as not to trendy! This trine is already a threat to public safety. Soon the "Armatists" will be running along the street, where are our "Armats"?
    1. Comrade Michael
      Comrade Michael 13 January 2020 15: 27
      +5
      This trydezh all from above goes ...
  20. Boomandroid
    Boomandroid 13 January 2020 15: 13
    -3
    Quote: KCA
    Abrams has been produced since 1980, is being upgraded slowly, Leopard2 since 1970, Leclerc since 1986, with whom does Armate fight? Maybe the T-90M is enough? Well, for the price of Almaty, like 3-4, or even more, T-90M? When a probable adversary creates a new tank by 2030, you will see, and Armat will be in the army enough

    The right train of thought .. In a big war, they will think about something else that is easier and faster to rivet to the front (cheap and fast) and these projects are very complicated .. Yes, and the same T-72s are full and they are not so bad ..
  21. Morglenn
    Morglenn 13 January 2020 17: 05
    +6
    It is curious to look at the leavened patriots who were furiously proud of yet another "lacking analogy in the world."
  22. Ros 56
    Ros 56 13 January 2020 17: 20
    -1
    After all, it’s clear as daylight, a tank is basically an offensive weapon, moreover on the ground. And the current situation is such that with our defensive doctrine, first of all, we need defense-offensive systems, and these are missiles and aviation of various classes and categories, and their speed is incomparable with tanks. I believe tanks are secondary weapons when the most active enemy forces are destroyed. Accordingly, priorities are determined from here, especially since we already have large quantities of tanks available.
    1. bars1
      bars1 13 January 2020 21: 10
      0
      Yes, I also think that the Air Force, Air Defense Forces and Air Defense / Missile Defense are priority
  23. El-bog
    El-bog 13 January 2020 17: 56
    +5
    I am tormented by vague doubts as to whether the matter is in “capacities”. We do not even make our own cell phone. What could 25 tanks have, how regularly do they still work, question?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 January 2020 19: 39
      +2
      We don’t do our cell phones because no one will buy them.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 13 January 2020 23: 35
        -2
        Quote: Vadim237
        We don’t do our cell phones because no one will buy them.

        It is clear that they will not be bought, the question is different, with technology we are not doing well.
    2. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 14 January 2020 08: 02
      +2
      We don’t even make our own cell phone ..... strange, I have two BK. along the Russian, I do not complain
  24. Lena Petrova
    Lena Petrova 13 January 2020 19: 33
    +2
    Quote: Morglenn
    It is curious to look at the leavened patriots who were furiously proud of yet another "unparalleled world." And then they sharply changed the rhetoric and now they say that we don't need it)

    So did the tank, or not? Another question is that someone can do better, but not release in large quantities, someone worse, but let out in clouds. Well, the most common option is that they cannot be developed or released. Although ... some can still make one tank.
  25. Стена
    Стена 13 January 2020 20: 41
    +3
    Quote: Wall
    Because not theft of cosmic proportions.

    At the deputy head of the customs for energy of the Russian Federation, at home under the floor, about $ 100 million in CASH ...... and about 18 tons of gold bullion.

    18 TONS! So that you understand 1 gram of gold - 3000 rubles
    The Deputy Head of Customs in the floor has 4 SARATOV ANNUAL BUDGETS
  26. bars1
    bars1 13 January 2020 21: 05
    0
    In the Soviet Union, at the time, the fancy T-64 tank was launched. And - quickly launched into serial production. And in the first years of service, these tanks were actually unworkable. No need to rush.
    1. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 14 January 2020 08: 21
      0
      released a fancy T-64 tank. ......... some kind of scoundrel minus you, I corrected. about the T-64 ... T-64 was created as a breakthrough tank as part of no less than a division, a "one-day" tank, there were a lot of bells and whistles at that time just for a breakthrough, an earring connection of gusli. a high angle of rotation of the levers of the rollers, a rubber bandage of the rollers, an engine with an incredible torque and the main loading mechanism, but there is a drawback for all these bells and whistles, ...... it is impossible to eliminate damage to the harp with a shackle connection by the crew, a high angle of rotation of the levers of the rollers is made by reducing the diameter of the rollers, which led to the opening of the most delicate part of the side armor between the 3rd and 4th rollers, the rubber bandage has (to this day) a low resource, about 1000 km of travel, the 5 TD engine has a resource of only 200 hours, the loading mechanism is incapacitated on slopes more than 15 degrees ... as a result, the war in Donbass practically confirmed everything, the main thing is to use the T-64 correctly, the DNR people use it as a mobile artillery platform, this is the potential of the T-64 alone
  27. Esaul
    Esaul 14 January 2020 08: 51
    0
    What kind of armata and kurgans, if in 2020 only 50 Udava pistols arrive in the armed forces (not 50 thousand or millions, but 50 units)!