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In India, doubted the ability of the Russian Federation to create reliable aircraft engines

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In India, doubted the ability of the Russian Federation to create reliable aircraft engines

In India, they doubted that Russia is able to build reliable aviation engines, but noted the advantage of other countries: France, Britain and the United States.


According to The Economic Times, the Indian Air Force is likely to insist on a proposal to develop a domestic aircraft engine.

We are talking about the launch of a program worth several billion dollars, aimed at creating an advanced multi-purpose new generation combat aircraft (AMCA).

Fighters, which should take off by 2026 (according to current projects), in the future should replace the “expensive import of military aircraft,” the newspaper notes. In addition, the country's air force seeks to obtain an engine of its own design. Purpose: The Air Force should become truly independent of imports.

And although the first two squadrons under the AMCA program will be equipped with a GE414 engine of American origin, but in the coming months, sources told the correspondent, the project will continue if the parallel process is launched, which implies the construction of an aircraft engine manufacturing plant (with foreign partnership).

A clear path to developing your own aircraft engine is very important, sources say, and should be followed as part of the current AMCA program. If necessary, Western countries that have advanced in this matter should be involved in cooperation.

According to expert estimates, engine technologies needed for future aircraft are available in several countries: France, the UK and the USA. It is also indicated that the "traditional ally of Russia" in this area is "behind."

In addition, India seeks not to repeat the mistakes made in the Chinese weapons development program, because there the “lack of a reliable aircraft engine program” becomes an “obstacle”.

Preliminary projects for AMCA have already been completed. Experts are sure that the first test fighter can be created within five years after the launch of the project, which will proceed to the first financing stage. To begin with, we are talking about the amount of a billion dollars.

The Air Force is ready to be responsible for the engine design along with the light combat aircraft project. In his commentary preceding Air Force Day in India, Air Marshal Bhadoria said the AMCA was approved for the "fifth generation." According to him, the Air Force provides the project with all the support and "put their energy in it." This is to ensure that imports to India are no longer planned for the foreseeable future.

In conclusion, it is noted that plans to develop their own Kaveri engine in the framework of the agreement with Rafale have not been implemented, despite the fact that the French side made a presentation in India about the creation of aircraft engines. Similarly, last year, the jet engine technology exchange plan of the US and India's Defense Technology and Trade Initiative (DTTI) was suspended.
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 13 January 2020 07: 35
    +49
    Our problems have, have, BUT ... walk around the market and choose better!
    Indian "dancing" is usually extortion of one or the other.
    1. Strashila
      Strashila 13 January 2020 07: 41
      +2
      "Indian" dances "are, as a rule, extortion of one or the other." If you think about an internship for Indians, where it is better and more prestigious to take place in America or Russia.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 13 January 2020 08: 00
        +17
        Quote: Strashila
        where it is better and more prestigious to take place in America or Russia.

        Honestly, this is their business.
        We still have an interesting, important thing that many would like to know .... but, the key definition is LEFT! make plans for the future already \ long ago NO.
        Do we ourselves believe that we will maintain advanced / strong positions even if they were still preserved there is a big question ???
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 14 January 2020 18: 12
          -2
          There are already problems in the new Russia, even the Indians saw them. American engines were ordered for the MS-21, French for the Superjet, but where is the famous PD-14?
      2. volodimer
        volodimer 13 January 2020 08: 09
        +18
        I think that here, as always, a complex Indian "ballet", this is what you indicated, as well as "we are better than China". But, since the Chinese clones of our engines do not shine either, the Indian ones will be even worse, so they are dancing.
        Although, it is clear that their engine clones will be like Arjuns compared to the T-90 or insas compared to Kalash. By the way, Western models are technologically more complex (and it’s not a fact that it’s more effective), so that Indians with songs and dances boldly go to the side: difficult, expensive, small.
        Perhaps they began to understand what the cut of the military budget is.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 13 January 2020 08: 23
          +7
          Quote: volodimer
          Indians with songs and dances boldly go to the side: difficult, expensive, few.

          I can’t say for sure, like in high-tech education and production, they invest a lot! But it also happens that feed is not in the horse!
          We will see. While they have nothing to boast of, unlike their neighbors.
          1. volodimer
            volodimer 13 January 2020 09: 12
            +9
            The Chinese have a lack of ideas, but where necessary, they have strict discipline, while the Indians are exacerbated by the rare "gypsy". (for the moderator: the term does not imply national connotation)
            The Chinese, a high-quality photocopy of the document, the Indians, a photo of the document from the phone, well, the original is obviously better wink
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 13 January 2020 09: 24
              +8
              Quote: volodimer
              Chinese-quality photocopy of the document,

              The Chinese are not just pulling everything towards themselves, they are thinking about the prospects. Work hard, hard in this direction.
              1. volodimer
                volodimer 13 January 2020 09: 43
                +24
                We worked with them (science) ... they copied and patched our device in a swoop ... For free, that without a firmware, it is a chipset ... But we scored on such cooperation.
                Before WWII, Japan behaved this way, bought samples of military equipment and did not give a damn about copying everything in a row.
                China is clearly preparing, and they need us as a source of raw materials and still some technologies ... Unfortunately, through the efforts of our government, the second component is rapidly decreasing. We must significantly overtake China in terms of technology (at least technology ideas), otherwise he will take raw materials himself. And with the current attitude of the authorities towards science, and not only towards it, the Chinese, they will soon receive all the interesting things that they had with us, but there will be no new ones.
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 13 January 2020 09: 50
                  +13
                  Quote: volodimer
                  the Chinese, all the interesting things that they had with us, will soon receive, but there will be no new one.

                  It will be unpleasant to receive, not to receive, but it is possible to work with it at least somehow.
                  And what we may soon have, there will be nothing to take, THIS IS MORTAL DANGER!
                  This is our TROUBLE and its reason is .... in short, a lot needs to be changed, and many need to be leveled with the ground.
                  1. ankon
                    ankon 13 January 2020 11: 24
                    +5
                    I agree that we have practically abandoned the development of technology, we are still holding on to the remnants of the USSR. Ships can not reach Syria, breaking! They made 1 Su-57 airplane for the Air Force in a year, and it crashed.
                    For information in the United States, production is proceeding at an extremely fast pace for the modern era: 2019 F-130 fighters delivered in 35, according to plans from 2022, more than 170 a year. Our leadership bucks billions of dollars into pipes and does not develop the Russian economy. They don’t produce machines, although in the days of the USSR Germany and Japan bought them! Engines for warships cannot be made and have already begun to buy from China! Laughter, and nothing more! Got off your knees?
                    Gazprom paid more than € 1 billion to the company for an unbuilt gas pipeline to Bulgaria (forfeit). They quickly paid $ 2,9 billion to Ukraine, but they never returned $ 3 billion to us (credit). And they won’t return it, since we, the people of Russia, have to pay another 7 billion US dollars for losses due to the Crimea. New requirements of Ukraine to the Russian Federation. How long will this outrage go on?
                    1. Roman070280
                      Roman070280 13 January 2020 11: 41
                      +8
                      This is not a disgrace .. it's all the way it should be ..
                      For, with the power of thieves it cannot be otherwise .. and will not ..
                      In a year over 50 billion. bucks the outflow of capital from the country .. and who we work for after that is a rhetorical question ..
                      1. Fan-fan
                        Fan-fan 14 January 2020 18: 16
                        -3
                        As long as there are those like Vadim237 below, this mess will continue.
                    2. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 13 January 2020 11: 43
                      -5
                      Development of technologies separately, pipes separately, economic development separately, no one interferes with each other, everyone is busy with their own business - we produce as many machines as we are ready to buy, since there are dozens of manufacturers with an already formed client base in the domestic and foreign markets. "The ships cannot reach Syria, they are breaking!" What a catastrophe one ship broke down, all the end of the world. We made 1 SU-57 airplane for the Air Force in a year, and it fell, crashed. I will not say how many aircraft of new models in the USSR crashed. Although during the Soviet era, Germany and Japan bought them from us Well, yes, they bought them in units - and the USSR bought industrial equipment and machine tools abroad for tens of billions of rubles. "They can't make engines for warships and have already started buying from China! Laughter, and that's all." The ship diesel engine D500 is already being tested in 2021 and is promised to be put into production. They were not made normal even in the USSR - they were too gluttonous. Don't worry about Gazprom, and the company has 12 trillion rubles of equity capital and an annual turnover of 80 billion dollars - its payments will not affect your pocket.
                      1. ankon
                        ankon 13 January 2020 12: 42
                        +4
                        Vadim, you are deeply mistaken! Every day I feel the deterioration of our life! New levies have been introduced - MSW management (solid municipal waste in the Leningrad Region - 375,44 rubles per month). This despite the fact that there is no waste, the dacha and I rent everything at the place of residence in a container if I come for the weekend! Fortunately, it's not far away, 15 minutes. And Gazprom is still state. company, "national property" and a billion to throw away the people's money is a crime! This money would be useful to sick children, grandparents of Russia! Norway, Saudi Arabia and other countries that extract natural resources (they belong to all of us and to you, Vadim) pay natural rent to the people. Why should President Putin V.V. not to learn from the experience of others?
                      2. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 13 January 2020 15: 19
                        -4
                        It's good that you throw it into a container - and someone arranges landfills anywhere, and it's good that MSW has begun to deal with landfills and other industrial waste products of 1, 2, 3 hazard classes. It's time to end the trash cannibalism in the country. "This money would be useful to sick children and grandparents of Russia!" It remains only to determine which of the certain number of sick children, grandfathers and grandmothers are real, since there are a dime a dozen of swindlers in this direction.
                      3. Roman070280
                        Roman070280 15 January 2020 09: 14
                        0
                        Every day I feel the deterioration of our lives!


                        The whole country feels it .. It’s enough just to have a little normal chat with people .. Or just go to the store ..
                        Already at times the feeling is developing as if I woke up again at 95 ..

                        As one comrade used to say, we are on the verge of a grandiose raucer !!
                    3. rocket757
                      rocket757 13 January 2020 12: 26
                      +4
                      Quote: ankon
                      How long will this outrage go on?

                      The question is complex and the deeper it sinks into it, the more complicated it turns out ....
                      Large losses have occurred in the country, this is an objective reality, no one will help for nothing, and even pushed into the back so that they fell completely ...
                      but the period was not short, and there were years quite "well-fed, favorable", there were RESOURCES not very weak ...
                      It turns out that all, practically, the consequences that we have or they have us, are LOSSES IN THE HEADS, at the highest organizational, managerial level!
                      And now, throwing and trying ... they almost lost theirs, in many ways, but from the outside no one will give ANYTHING they won’t even sell.
                      This definition, not beloved by many, is all that describes it - a betrayal of the national interests of the country ... and we all slip some sort of secondary garbage, then those or others are to blame for it, it is asked, but what have YOU been doing all these years? After all, you’ve been put in charge, chosen.
                    4. peter rusin_2
                      peter rusin_2 13 January 2020 12: 43
                      -3
                      Are you probably Kyrgyz?
                    5. ultra
                      ultra 13 January 2020 13: 26
                      +1
                      Quote: ankon
                      Gazprom paid more than € 1 billion to the company for an unbuilt gas pipeline to Bulgaria (forfeit).

                      The Italian company filed a lawsuit in 2016 for 760 lard. Put the link on the court decision to satisfy the claim.
                    6. NordUral
                      NordUral 14 January 2020 09: 06
                      +2
                      With these - forever! But with these, eternity does not threaten us, just until the collapse of the country, if the people do not wake up.
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 14 January 2020 09: 39
                        +1
                        The question is - who chose THESE for us? Who, when and what has SLEEPED?
                      2. NordUral
                        NordUral 14 January 2020 10: 37
                        +2
                        I definitely didn’t choose. And those still sleeping. And they wake up the future of children and grandchildren.
                      3. Roman070280
                        Roman070280 15 January 2020 09: 20
                        0
                        Chose ?? You’re just like in a manger still .. you believe in the elections ..))
                        Who chose Yeltsin a second time ?? (omit the first one)
                        Who chose the Bear ?? (well woodpecker woodpecker)
                        And Putin, unknown to any person in the country, who chose in due time ??
                        Or maybe you meant some Sechins, Millers, Matvienkov or Shuvalovs ??
                        That's how long they are measured to live - so many of them will be "chosen" .. And little depends on the people here ..

                        PS. Today we still don’t know how the name of our new president will sound, but it’s not a secret to anyone that Putin will nominate - that will be them .. So - the choice has already been made long ago !!
                    7. rotkiv04
                      rotkiv04 14 January 2020 20: 06
                      0
                      Thank you bald
                  2. Eug
                    Eug 14 January 2020 09: 06
                    +3
                    The trouble is that they are very active in enticing specialists. What is our attitude towards specialists - no one needs to explain, people go there not even for money, but professionally realized ...
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 14 January 2020 09: 37
                      +2
                      Quote: Eug
                      people go there not even for money, but to be professionally realized ....

                      The fish is looking where deeper ...
                      Man, this is much more complicated, but the desire to live well, calmly, RELIABLE, no one can never cancel.
                      Everyone chooses CAM!
                      Homeland !!! I'm going to my homeland!
                      Let the ugly cry.
                      And we like her!
                      Although not beautiful.
                      Gullible to the scum,

                      Source: https://reproduktor.net/ddt/rodina/
        2. cherkas.oe
          cherkas.oe 13 January 2020 14: 41
          0
          Quote: volodimer
          Perhaps they began to understand what the cut of the military budget
          Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.! This is the main reason for "dancing with tambourines". It dawned on them that cutting inside is easier and faster than interacting with the external environment, bringing on commissions and committees to fight corruption. And so, they are also patriotic, they seem to care for the development of the national aircraft engine building program. Only the poor forget and they burn with this, in order to develop their own, there is no need to find fault with someone else's, but painstakingly work developing education, science, technology and entire branches of production.
        3. venik
          venik 13 January 2020 18: 03
          0
          Quote: volodimer
          But, since the Chinese clones of our engines also do not shine, the Indian ones will be even worse, and here they are dancing.

          ========
          good drinks Let them create at least ANYTHING first best (well, or at least SIMILAR !!!) .......
          Well, "dance to dance" - well, so we ourselves can! Truth in the question of "dancing" with the Indians - it's hard to compare - they have it "national" .... But to do BETTER (than theirs) - what This is SURE!
        4. 73bor
          73bor 14 January 2020 10: 32
          +1
          If even the complete localization of the T-90 in India does not help to reach a high level (constant complaints of failures) then what can we say about aircraft engines !?
      3. orionvitt
        orionvitt 13 January 2020 13: 22
        +3
        Quote: Strashila
        Internship for Indians, where it is better and more prestigious to take place in America or Russia

        Yes, let them go anywhere. So far, the Indians have not created their engine at all. Not like the fifth generation, but not at all. The same goes for airplanes. What really turns out is dances with extortion of conditions and probably mopeds with rickshaws. But the ambition is higher than the roof. With such partners, and the business does not want.
      4. avdkrd
        avdkrd 15 January 2020 05: 49
        0
        Hindus are trading rather dirty, but there is a proven way to make an offer to Pakistan. There, of course, the Chinese are sitting tight, but they can be moved in many positions.
    2. Commissar77
      Commissar77 13 January 2020 08: 05
      +17
      I don’t even want to comment, but I’ll say my opinion that India will never create a fifth-generation engine without the help of Russia. Or they will buy f35 from Americans. They do not have a school of engine building.
      1. ltc35
        ltc35 13 January 2020 08: 11
        +7
        The road will be overpowered by a walker. An example of this is the Chinese who invest in science and production in practice.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 13 January 2020 08: 29
          +6
          Quote: ltc35
          The road will be overpowered by a walker. An example of this is the Chinese who invest in science and production in practice.

          To go out or stay at the forefront of science, technology, production, you need to invest a lot of effort and MONEY! Who did not have time, did not show zeal, greedy, he will remain in .... far and deep behind!
          I don’t want to talk about our affairs, everything is VERY different, but the general impression is not ah, in the complex if you look.
          The success rate is not so much the number of Nobel laureates, it is somewhat different ..
      2. Edik
        Edik 13 January 2020 08: 16
        +2
        Quote: Military Commissar77
        I don’t even want to comment, but I’ll say my opinion that India will never create a fifth-generation engine without the help of Russia.

        And with Russia too !! Russia will not transfer key engine technology to them! Yes, and the United States and France, not to mention Great Britain, will be sent their forest ..
        But I wonder who there doubted in India? It's the same as I heard somewhere winked
      3. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 13 January 2020 08: 18
        0
        In India, they doubted that Russia was able to build reliable aircraft engines, but noted the advantage of other countries: France, Britain and the United States.

        According to The Economic Times, the Indian Air Force is likely to insist on a proposal to develop a domestic aircraft engine.

        Quote: Military Commissar77
        I don’t even want to comment, but I’ll say my opinion - India will not create a fifth-generation engine without the help of Russia

        And let them play, dance for now. While they will dance from one manufacturer to another, in Russia they will make aircraft engines with the necessary parameters, but devices with them will be more expensive and those technologies will definitely not be transferred to the Indians!
      4. NKT
        NKT 13 January 2020 08: 26
        +6
        Or they will buy f35 from Americans. They do not have a school of engine building.

        If India buys a C400, then the Americans are unlikely to sell it to them.
        1. volodimer
          volodimer 13 January 2020 09: 28
          +2
          Another minus on the fly what who put what disagrees with your post ...
          The example of Turkey unequivocally confirms this alignment, and accordingly, only France remains to the Hindus, especially if they buy rafals, then they will have to take the engines from them. That's just the price tag will not be there for children.
      5. Stone
        Stone 13 January 2020 09: 17
        +6
        About the same way, about twenty years ago, they talked about Chinese capabilities in shipbuilding. And now ... even the mattresses look around with concern.
      6. Zhelezyakin
        Zhelezyakin 13 January 2020 10: 48
        +1
        Americans only agree to supply them with F414, and I think that far from an EPE modification ...
    3. antivirus
      antivirus 13 January 2020 08: 12
      0
      no one will give promising, only today. or yesterday’s developmental stage.
      must live-work out one generation of OWN developments (albeit not the most advanced ones) - then the promising ones will grow
    4. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 13 January 2020 08: 25
      +11
      Quote: rocket757
      Our problems have, have, BUT ...

      In Russia, the most pressing problem is the mass production of high-tech products.
      MASS!!! By type of conveyor. Today they said - it is necessary - and the day after tomorrow the process began.
      In addition, material rewards are a very effective way to develop scientific and technical potential. And there is no need to pay a lot to "mediocrity" regulating state financial flows ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 13 January 2020 08: 44
        +4
        Quote: ROSS 42
        And there is no need to pay a lot to "mediocrity" regulating state financial flows ...

        There is such a topic in many discussions!
        Our "business" is drawn to the development of state funds, because it becomes more or less stable in this case.
        We do not have an established, other reliable system of self-regulation of relationships between different business structures and individual manufacturers! All strive to "stick" to purely state or near state structures, industries, projects!
        We fell out of the planned economy, but did not create another. Therefore, there is no future development. Almost no one with plans for tomorrow and tomorrow will not create anything .... they prefer to buy gold, yachts and football teams and ....
        FINAL, after the RELEASE .... sour perspective.
    5. Basil50
      Basil50 13 January 2020 08: 58
      +1
      The experience of communication with Indians and Gypsies says that for some reason they consider themselves in the right to deceive, or even just rob anyone. At the same time they have a limited outlook and do not shine even with literacy.
      By the way, they are very offended if they fail to cheat or rob.
    6. Bar2
      Bar2 13 January 2020 09: 30
      +4
      “The lack of a reliable aircraft engine program” becomes an “obstacle”.

      in China, this is not an obstacle to creation, but the lack of a school of self-production, rather than copying, at first. That is, simply there are not enough brains, in India it is even worse with brains, they can’t even copy there. So, do not anger Russia.
    7. Monar
      Monar 13 January 2020 15: 14
      +1
      We have no problem. There are simply no dvigalov for the citizen.
    8. eklmn
      eklmn 14 January 2020 01: 52
      +1
      For the curious:
      Aug 2019 NI:
      “India Mail Today - Government sources in India said today that“ the Russians, along with Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), which collects planes in India, have offered to sell 40 more of these Air Force planes, but the Air Force is not very interested in purchasing them due to the high cost service, which makes them very expensive in the long run. ”

      And further. The Saturn AL-31 engine on Sushki has a life cycle of up to 4.000 hours (from Wiki). Amer's engine F-110-GE-129 (F-15/16) has 6,000 TAC, (Wiki) where Total Accumulated Cycles means the number of take-offs and landings.
      It turns out that Amer engines are more durable than Russian ones. Or not...
      1. Bar2
        Bar2 14 January 2020 10: 44
        +1
        Quote: eklmn
        It turns out that Amer engines are more durable than Russian ones. Or not...


        or not.

        In order to calculate what kind of resource American engines need to transfer them to a watch, otherwise it is not clear, but it may well be that take-off and landing may be less than an hour.
    9. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 15 January 2020 23: 55
      0
      I goof in this zoo. The USSR (Russia) has been making jet engines for 70 years. And here, the sharp-eyed Indians, noticed that Russia can’t do aircraft engines.
  2. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 13 January 2020 07: 48
    0
    In India, they doubted that Russia is able to build reliable aircraft engines

    they will probably insist on a proposal to develop a domestic aircraft engine.

    Something I doubted.
    1. pin_code
      pin_code 13 January 2020 07: 52
      0
      no need to doubt. in India, even the steam engine was not invented ..
      1. pru-pavel
        pru-pavel 13 January 2020 08: 09
        -21
        As far as I remember, in Russia, too, a steam engine was not invented, the British Watt invented it. Russia is the birthplace of elephants, but not a steam engine.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 13 January 2020 08: 28
          +17
          Quote: pru-pavel
          Duck as far as I remember in Russia, too, the steam engine was not invented

          In Russia, the first operating steam engine was built in 1766 according to the project of Ivan Polzunov, proposed by him in 1763. Polzunov’s machine had two cylinders with pistons, it worked continuously, and all actions in it took place automatically. But I. I. Polzunov did not have to see his invention in his work: he died on May 27, 1766, and his machine was put into operation at the Barnaul plant only in the summer ...
          hi
        2. Ponchik78
          Ponchik78 13 January 2020 08: 28
          +8
          Remember badly. Steam engine Polzunova. The world's first multi-cylinder steam engine. And the first machine suitable for industrial use.
          1. Cottodraton
            Cottodraton 13 January 2020 10: 38
            +7
            They will not remember this. For them, a break in the template, if something was invented in Russia ... The sect of witnesses of the "divine west", "the pioneers of the Red Banner.E. Mask" and other iPhoneophiles do not read books. They have already written everything on Wikipedia
            1. Fat
              Fat 14 January 2020 03: 48
              +1
              Quote: Cottodraton
              They will not remember this. For them, a break in the template, if something was invented in Russia ... The sect of witnesses of the "divine west", "the pioneers of the Red Banner.E. Mask" and other iPhoneophiles do not read books. They have already written everything on Wikipedia

              Well, why did the wiki fail? You see the flaws. Well, edit well. Extelopedia by S. Lem ... Changes all the time ... And if there are no edits for a long time, then either the article is controversial, or uninteresting, or worthy. Find at least one book so that the second edition is not Corrected and Supplemented. Bile must be protected.
              1. Cottodraton
                Cottodraton 16 January 2020 13: 09
                0
                The creators themselves say that Wiki is not "canon" and that you can tweak anything there and anyone. At least copy and paste nonsense there from Soros's "history textbook" ... A controversial and dubious instrument, "overtones"
        3. Vasyan1971
          Vasyan1971 13 January 2020 08: 29
          +1
          Quote: pru-pavel
          Russia is the birthplace of elephants

          Non-brotherly war mammoth - the ancestor of all elephants!
    2. lwxx
      lwxx 13 January 2020 08: 20
      +2
      Our need to doubt the ability of India to produce good medicines. I think they will quickly cease to doubt.
      1. bessmertniy
        bessmertniy 13 January 2020 08: 48
        +2
        In principle, I do not pay attention to Indian drugs. In my opinion, there are many of ours and imported from other countries, which are both cheaper and more efficient. what
  3. pin_code
    pin_code 13 January 2020 07: 50
    0
    well, let them buy amerskie fe-35 or french planes, a big ship, a big voyage ...
  4. Ural resident
    Ural resident 13 January 2020 07: 50
    +1
    You might think that the Americans gave them the technology ...
  5. Sergey39
    Sergey39 13 January 2020 08: 02
    +3
    "The engine technology needed for future aircraft is available in a number of countries: France, the United Kingdom and the United States."
    So what's the problem then? Get affordable technology and build!
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 13 January 2020 08: 51
      0
      Let them invent. They also need to make sure that all others produce motors worse than they do. lol But whether it will be cheaper for the Indians is another grandmother said in two. feel
  6. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 13 January 2020 08: 05
    +8
    You give us ideas, build us a test station. Smart ..... e laughing Each engine, before being transferred to the customer, is tested for ZIS. Unas also do not work and ..... you, unlike those who scold our planes for a large share of imports. They are well aware that in the modern world it is only possible to create a competitive aircraft. Because if it’s not, then they will simply forever certify it, catch children's sores, chase leaders, saturate the market with spare parts and specialists, and convince countries to take risks, and abandon manufacturers verified by the whole world in favor of unknown but domestic components. They understand that there is nothing wrong with creating their own components, but this process is very long, gradual and not a fact of what happens. And this process has nothing to do with the creation of the aircraft. But in comparison with the Chinese, our MC-21, and the Superjet is just a standard of localization! The Chinese do not even think about their engine, and we have half the Russian SaM146 on the SSZH100, and the completely Russian PD-14 on the MS-21. What other arguments are needed to understand that in the modern world a modern aircraft cannot be created in one country? laughing
  7. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 13 January 2020 08: 06
    0
    Taking into account the former strong garter of our engine building on the Ukrainian Motor Sich, the Indians are probably right, and what is happening with our education (guessing the USE) and in this connection the future of engine building will soon be right.
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 13 January 2020 08: 13
      +2
      Of course, we have problems, especially with education, but the Indians are still those gypsies, their extortion in matters of cooperation is simply prohibitive. After talking with them over the past few years, I got a sense of disgust for these traders who can throw at any stage.
      1. Dmitry Potapov
        Dmitry Potapov 13 January 2020 08: 38
        +1
        I apologize, Indians don't give a damn about me, I even agree (almost) with your assessment of Indians. But! For some reason, the Indians do not scatter such terms as "inability" in relation to their other arms suppliers. Therefore, you involuntarily pay attention to our prospects.
        1. Xenofont
          Xenofont 13 January 2020 11: 47
          +1
          Russia demonstrated its weakness in the 90s - zero and, thus, gave reason to doubt its capabilities, especially in contrast to the USSR. And now you can speculate on this, even if the situation has changed.
    2. Amateur
      Amateur 13 January 2020 09: 15
      +4
      Given the former strong garter of our engine building on the Ukrainian Motor Sich

      He became a motor for Sich in 1991 and in 2020 it is already almost Chinese. And from 1916 to 1991 he was Russian and Soviet. One of. So the Ukrainian engineering genius was only enough to ruin the matter.
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 13 January 2020 08: 13
    +3
    In India, doubted the ability of the Russian Federation to create reliable aircraft engines
    In this case, only one thing can be said - whose cow would be mumbling ... The Air Force is gathering a thread from the world, and lately there has been too much criticism of Russia. It is even excusable (with a stretch) to hear from representatives of leading aviation powers, but not from India or Vietnam, who doubted the creation of a 5th generation fighter in our country.
  9. knn54
    knn54 13 January 2020 08: 13
    +2
    Before the collapse of the USSR, good engines were designed in the design bureau, but during the EBN they began to import air junk. They threw their own. Today, the resource of Russian engines is 4 ... 5 times less than the same American. Yes, and more voracious. There are heads, but financial injections will require considerable.
    1. SSR
      SSR 13 January 2020 09: 00
      +3
      Quote: knn54
      financial investments will be considerable.

      Already.
      Billions are pouring in from the "oil reservoir". This is one of the highest priority tasks today.
    2. Edik
      Edik 13 January 2020 09: 36
      +1
      Quote: knn54
      They threw their own. Today, the resource of Russian engines is 4 ... 5 times less than the same American. Yes, and more voracious. There are heads, but financial injections will require considerable.

      And PD-14 doesn’t suit you? Back in 2008 they invested 15 mln in its development! And it is not inferior to Western engines, not in a resource, not in efficiency!
  10. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 13 January 2020 08: 16
    0
    And what is the resource of our and American engines?
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 13 January 2020 08: 35
      +2
      Quote: Pessimist22
      And what is the resource of our and American engines?

      Here is just one excerpt from the Tu-204, and Tu-214 (where PS-90 engines are installed):
      I note for non-experts that the reliability of the engine is determined by its running hours in hours for one shutdown in flight. PS-90 has an indicator of 5 thousand hours. Foreign analogues - 20 - 25 thousand hours.
      1. Edik
        Edik 13 January 2020 09: 42
        +1
        Quote: ROSS 42
        (where PS-90 engines are installed

        I beg you yes Write about the engines of the PD family !! Unless of course you succeed!
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 13 January 2020 12: 28
          +1
          Quote: Edik
          Write about the engines of the PD family!

          And what's the point of writing about something that I have not seen and what even the creators have no idea about?
          Earlier, the managing director - general designer of UEC-Aviadvigatel, Alexander Inozemtsev, reported that total investment in the PD-35 project 180 billion rubles. The PD-35 series can go in 2028.
          About the engine
          PD-35 (a promising engine with a thrust of 35 tons) is a project of a Russian by-pass turbofan engine of extra-high thrust (with a thrust at takeoff from 33 to 40 tons).
          1. Edik
            Edik 13 January 2020 14: 54
            +1
            Ross xnumx
            It didn’t work, but he doesn’t see good You write about PD-14! Did the creators see it? Or doesn’t it allow you to write about something, what? Do you create an aura of doom? Are you not afraid to burn yourself?
  11. mentor69
    mentor69 13 January 2020 08: 17
    0
    Well ... Films have learned to do it (massively), but the engines, and even the modern ones, when China, as it were, is still studying - that’s the question. So it seems when they put their own designed and made aircraft engines themselves - a picture with dances and songs - Jimmy Jimmy, acha acha.
  12. Mentat
    Mentat 13 January 2020 08: 28
    +2
    Quote: ltc35
    The road will be overpowered by a walker. An example of this is the Chinese who invest in science and production in practice.

    And what did they master, a copy with a small resource? As the Chinese did not have their own engine, there are none.
  13. Alex 2020
    Alex 2020 13 January 2020 08: 29
    0
    Everything as usual. Hindus are faithful to their traditions. And they themselves do not know what they want.
  14. Svetlana
    Svetlana 13 January 2020 08: 42
    +1
    >> India doubted ... <
    Who doubt? Where doubted? Neither the name nor the source of the news nor proof. Yes, it is mentioned below that the newspaper writes: Indian Air Force is likely to insist on the development of a domestic engine. But this is still a different story.
    In short, the post is like a fake.
  15. Ilya_Nsk
    Ilya_Nsk 13 January 2020 08: 44
    0
    Zadolbali these Indians .. Some ambitions. What just do not come up with to bring down prices! Yes please! Let them buy Rolls-Royces and Pratt-Whitney ..
  16. Vitalius Boniwur
    Vitalius Boniwur 13 January 2020 08: 55
    0
    "Progressive" France and the United States did not help ... Maybe "backward" Russia will share "bad" engines!? ..
  17. Aliken
    Aliken 13 January 2020 08: 58
    0
    Curtsy in the direction of the former colonialists, the back still remembers the whip. The loss is not great, they will come running again, these are Indians.
  18. Azazelo
    Azazelo 13 January 2020 09: 02
    0
    There is a cartoon called "AX". That's how the Armenians shot about the Hindus ...
  19. Million
    Million 13 January 2020 09: 04
    +2
    In Russia, too, they doubt it.
  20. Dizel200
    Dizel200 13 January 2020 09: 06
    0
    Gypsies anneal again)))))))
  21. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 13 January 2020 09: 11
    +1
    Quote: Dmitry Potapov
    Taking into account the former strong garter of our engine building on the Ukrainian Motor Sich, the Indians are probably right, and what is happening with our education (guessing the USE) and in this connection the future of engine building will soon be right.

    Believe in the research institute comes not stupid youth. So your howls about the generation of the exam and the future are somehow not very. I see this every working day. laughing laughing
  22. lopvlad
    lopvlad 13 January 2020 09: 15
    0
    In India, they doubted that Russia is able to build reliable aircraft engines


    there is doubt that the gypsies are able to pilot such a complex technique as an airplane.
  23. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 13 January 2020 09: 21
    +1
    Quote: Pessimist22
    And what is the resource of our and American engines?

    And then there is such a manufacturer of aircraft engines as International Aero Engines (IAE) - it’s like a joint venture between Pratt & Whitney with the Japanese JAEC and the Germans MTU (RR still participated there, but PW bought their share). They make, for example, engines of the V2500 family - these engines are popular on the A320 line of Watermelons, as well as on the Airbus Corporate Jet. They are also used by the Brazilians on their Embraer 390 military transports. Interestingly, on this engine, Pratt & Whitney developed only a combustion chamber and a two-stage air-cooled high-pressure turbine, and everything else was developed by the Japanese and Germans, and Rolls-Royce engineers took part. In general, IAE engines are made in very noticeable quantities - there are one and a half times more of them than Rolls-Royce engines of all types (although they are cheaper than RR products).

    Yes - the American manufacturer GE is powerful, no doubt. Formally, it is considered the largest in the world (taking into account participation in all kinds of joint ventures). But he also has degradation. For example, the GE9X engine, which GE gives off as a “new word of technology”, is essentially the usual GE90-115B from a 777 Boeing, in which instead of 22 blades are installed in the fan 16, but wider ones made of composite. The rest of the improvements there, in general, are cosmetic - they slightly raised the temperature in the combustion chamber, slightly changed the shape of the turbine blades. Well, there they also thought of twisting the mixture in the combustion chamber in order to achieve better afterburning of nitrogen oxides. It’s not all about the “new word”.
    1. vadimtt
      vadimtt 13 January 2020 10: 38
      0
      A new word will come when chevrons appear on these wide blades, or even on the compressor blades winked
      Then the mixture will not need to be specially twisted laughing

      PS: For anyone - a new word is a commercial risk. The current risks are likely to outweigh the benefits of unrealized innovations. IMHO.
  24. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 13 January 2020 09: 23
    0
    Even Russia, which in the days of the USSR was always inferior to the West in the technology of turbojet engines (yes, inferior, and very much even in military engines), now was able to catch up with the world level not only in military, but also in civil engines. And this despite the fact that most of the Soviet engine building remained in Ukraine, where she died. laughing
    1. bars1
      bars1 13 January 2020 10: 10
      +1
      Research centers and most developers stayed in Russia
  25. huntsman650
    huntsman650 13 January 2020 09: 27
    0
    Doubts allow a good result.
  26. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 13 January 2020 09: 31
    0
    Indians are absolutely right. Already all the blues from the USSR have been scanned, no new ones will appear, what engines do you come from? As Europe used to think, that mice spawn in garbage cans, now engines spawn among thieves and effective managers? In the process of cutting born? For the remaining fifty cents will the locksmith Uncle Vasya come out of the basement and do it? Right now, right ...
    1. shinobi
      shinobi 13 January 2020 10: 23
      0
      It’s not very smart to run into our locksmiths from the basement. I recommend opening YouTube and watching how such locksmiths assemble jet engines for their models. But this is so, if with humor. About the backlog of the USSR in aircraft construction. We will implement and bring to the mind is what our fathers and grandfathers invented. On the knee.
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 13 January 2020 14: 08
        +1
        We will not embody. To do this, you also need to have much more specialists than we currently have. Soviet systems were designed for the Soviet material and technical base. Now they need to be transferred to other materials, to other manufacturing methods ... There is no one to do this. Who is, long gone. Some by age, some where pay for work ...
        1. shinobi
          shinobi 15 January 2020 01: 21
          0
          Are you all-out / all-out? And who then makes new equipment? For example, in Irkutsk?
          1. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 15 January 2020 09: 24
            0
            New? Where? How is its novelty expressed? Do they use computers of the latest generations, "smart" cables, optics, composite materials at least ten years of development?
            Forgive me, but all this "new" was developed at most 50 years ago, it was just that the USSR did not have time to reach it. If you have access to this "new" (don't write about it here, okay?), Examine it. As you will see thick bundles of copper wires, so know, this is not new, this is "new-old". A term from old Parisian criminal jargon ...
            I’m not from any group you are accustomed to, the label doesn’t sit on me at all) I write that I SEE. And I'm not trying to join any of the camps to get a sense of ownership and approval. From some point on, sober technical thinking came into conflict with reality, where they no longer think, but only rush about in labyrinths of feelings, straying into swarms of mutually approving fools who do not analyze and think, but only try to conform to the ideology adopted in their gang.
            So you can go (and we are) into a dead end, from which there will be no exits at all.
            1. shinobi
              shinobi 17 January 2020 12: 58
              0
              I don’t know where you saw something thick there, you have to dig around in giblets periodically. I see thick copper buses and cables only in power units and substations. All the equipment has long been in microelectronics and fiber optic communications where the microwave remote control is contraindicated. Do you even live in what hole?
              1. Mikhail3
                Mikhail3 17 January 2020 13: 47
                0
                Hmm ... When the laboratory died, quietly sculpting small boards for the defense industry (I found out about it, as usual, by chance, and it was all before 2008, there was a lot of money around), I was saddened. Around closed factories working with electronics. The selection of open information, which I sometimes do (however, where do I get it closed from?) Does not add joy. Hope you are more right than me ...
                1. shinobi
                  shinobi 19 January 2020 01: 24
                  -1
                  In my city there is an office, I went through a practice collecting large electronic control machines. For what these machines are, this secret is big. There are no imported microcircuits in the guts of these machines. Intel microcircuits and ibiem quietly smoke aside, I realized when I picked it up after zero in imported iron. So this office lives and lives, having survived everything, everyone and everything. It picks up components from somewhere in good order and not imported. Again, I regularly see new Su in the sky, they have a landing track that catches the edge of the town. There were difficult times, I can’t argue. There is no particular optimism, but also pessemism. Although the government’s fury infuriates everyone in an uninhabited island away from trade routes. Together with golden kids, hangovers. Confiscate property for public needs. And forget them there.
                  1. Mikhail3
                    Mikhail3 20 January 2020 09: 00
                    0
                    Are you seriously?! Without imported chips ?! Wow. Very, very hope that you are not joking. Our worst failure is electronics. Even our own mass production lines, which we no longer do, are not as scary as the inability to produce our own electronics. May it be true ...
                    My posts are full of pessimism, I understand. But I still hope, and you tell me that not everything is lost. Thank...
                    1. shinobi
                      shinobi 21 January 2020 00: 42
                      0
                      They are. The bad thing is that all this wealth is practically not used in "civilian life". The stupid tradition of the times of the USSR has remained.
                      1. Mikhail3
                        Mikhail3 21 January 2020 09: 13
                        0
                        Given the fact that mass production plays the main role, this specifically infuriates. How much can you fight on the same corner ?! However, Russian Railways, it seems, has entered into a major contract for our processes. Finally, a vigorous pancake!
                      2. shinobi
                        shinobi 21 January 2020 12: 55
                        0
                        God help! As they said before
  27. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 13 January 2020 09: 31
    +4
    The service life of the AL-31F aircraft engines, which are intended for installation on the Su-27 fighters, has been increased to 1500 hours. This was reported to "Interfax-AVN" on Monday by the chief designer of the Moscow machine-building production enterprise "Salyut" Emmanuil Goldinsky.

    "We have reached a guaranteed overhaul life of 1000 hours on a serial engine, and the so-called assigned (full) service life is already 1500 hours," E. Goldinsky said.

    He said that the engines that Salyut supplied to the aircraft plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur for the installation of Su-30MKK fighters intended for China, "had an overhaul life of 500 hours, and the assigned (full) one - 1000 hours, with obligations to increase the resource up to 1500 hours ". "And we have received such a resource, it is only for the paperwork," E. Goldinsky said.

    He recalled that the AL-31F (afterburner) aircraft engine for the Su-27 and Su-30 class aircraft was created in 1984. "Then he came to us for state tests with a resource of 50 hours. During the tests, we brought the resource up to 300 hours," E. Goldinsky said. “After that, Salyut was consistently modernizing the engine, increasing its resource and power,” he stressed.

    "The characteristics set by the developer have satisfied the operators for almost 20 years. But now aircraft such as Su-27, Su-30, Su-32 are becoming heavier, new weapons are being installed on them, its range is expanding, and it is no longer an engine with a thrust of 12,5 tons, and more powerful ", - E. Goldinsky noted.

    He said that a thrust of 31 tons was obtained on the modernized AL-1FM13,3 engine, that is, it was increased by 800 kg. Since the power plant of the Su-27 class aircraft consists of two engines, the overall "increase" amounted to more than one and a half tons, said the chief designer of Salyut.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 14 January 2020 00: 57
      +2
      "assigned (full) - 1000 hours, with obligations to bring the resource up to 1500 hours" ///
      -----
      The F-16 has 8000 hours, for comparison.
      1. Lozovik
        Lozovik 14 January 2020 04: 40
        +1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        The F-16 has 8000 hours, for comparison.

        Show the document, please.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 14 January 2020 10: 55
          +5
          And the last F-16 unit has a warranty of 12,000 hours. One engine for 35 years of service.
          1. Lozovik
            Lozovik 14 January 2020 18: 59
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            And the last F-16 unit has a warranty of 12,000 hours. One engine for 35 years of service.

            Where does this information come from? Can I see the form?
  28. Air force
    Air force 13 January 2020 09: 33
    0
    Of course, it looks like another "Indian dances" around defense orders. But who exactly doubted in India about the reliability of Russian engines? The Economic Times correspondent and his sources? The only name specifically mentioned in the article is Air Marshal Bhadoria, who says that in the future it is necessary to develop aircraft construction ourselves and not depend on imports, and this is certainly correct for any country. And the rest of the article is just the opinion of the correspondent, where he refers to his sources, now the correspondents are well settled, you can write what you want and say that the information is from sources. You can even formally not lie, ask the opinion of a janitor of some defense department and issue this opinion as information from a source, and then ask the opinion of a parking guard, some scientific research institute and say that this is the opinion of an expert. As a result, the journalist has information from sources in the defense department, supported by the opinion of experts from the research institute, and, well, money in his pocket for a customized article. laughing
  29. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 13 January 2020 09: 45
    0
    Quote: Mikhail3
    Indians are absolutely right. Already all the blues from the USSR have been scanned, no new ones will appear, what engines do you come from? As Europe used to think, that mice spawn in garbage cans, now engines spawn among thieves and effective managers? In the process of cutting born? For the remaining fifty cents will the locksmith Uncle Vasya come out of the basement and do it? Right now, right ...

    Blues? laughing Uncle Vasya my friend is already retired half a year, now Fedya is sitting laughing
  30. donavi49
    donavi49 13 January 2020 09: 50
    +2
    Meanwhile, a significant event for India took place on Vikra. Their unfinished. The National LMFI (and with 1 engine - again, a stone in the MiG - which is no longer light and immediately twin-engine) - becomes a ship!

    At first there was a successful landing


    Yesterday a successful take-off
    1. shinobi
      shinobi 13 January 2020 10: 14
      0
      At the expense of two engines, it’s in vain, it’s proved that twin-engine planes are more tenacious. Naturally, the product will be heavier than its single-engine brothers. But there’s someone who likes it. fundamentally for the survival of the machine.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 13 January 2020 10: 30
        +3
        No.

        Two engines are more expensive, harder, harder.
        One is cheaper.

        Reliability unless in peacetime will vary. And then under the condition of identical engines or corrections for the coefficient of the reliability difference of the power plant. That is, in case of a failure of the LMFI engine, a single-engine engine crashes (well, rather, it plans, the pilot goes out, the plane crashes). If the engine fails at the twin-engine IFI, you can return home (but also not always, again, what kind of failure).

        When placing engines - to each other, even with all sorts of firecrackers of the P-60 / Side level that go to IR, there is no statistically difference. Serious missiles with a large warhead - no difference. There is probably a difference from MANPADS - but they no longer enter their zone. Plus, it is often hit = fire and damage to the steering circuit = even if the engine is second, you will have to leave an uncontrolled aircraft.

        Some survivability is provided by special schemes for maximizing engine spacing and removing them from the steering loop. But these are special planes (well, for example, A-10 and Su-25 - and then again, Filipov flew precisely to the Su-25 and caught Strela / Iglo / Chinese, and had to jump).
        1. shinobi
          shinobi 13 January 2020 12: 19
          0
          Okay, let’s go on the other side. Why do you think only Yankees are clinging to a single-engine scheme? Even Europeans, their direct vassals, are slowly moving to a twin-engine scheme?
          1. donavi49
            donavi49 13 January 2020 12: 57
            0
            No. It all depends on the destination and weight.

            Is Grippen a Yankee too?


            The main fighter of the PLA air force of its own design J-10


            The same Pakistani-Chinese Thunder unit 3 received AFAR, a bunch of updates, got heavier, but still on the same engine.


            Dasso and Tempest - will be heavy, more F-22/15, so 2 engines.
            The Chinese do not yet have a 5th generation engine of sufficient traction, so the J-31 on two engines. This is a minus, not a plus.
            The KFH is actually the first Korean heavy fighter, it is the size of the F-15 (and based on the ideological decisions of the F-15). But, for example, their LMFI version of the FA-50 with one engine.


            It will be right to say that the Yankees, having powerful engines, are the record holders for the masses on which this scheme is used. The extreme block 70/72 on one engine drags more and is heavier than the MiG-35.
            1. Dmitry V.
              Dmitry V. 14 January 2020 09: 48
              +1
              The main fighter of the PLA air force of its own design J-10

              In general, the J-10 glider is based on the Israeli experienced "Lavi"
              during the creation of the aircraft, the IAI Lavi fighter developments sold by Israel to China were used

        2. Lozovik
          Lozovik 13 January 2020 17: 34
          0
          Quote: donavi49
          When placing engines - to each other, even with all sorts of firecrackers of the P-60 / Side level that go to IR, there is no statistically difference. Serious missiles with a large warhead - no difference. There is probably a difference from MANPADS - but they no longer enter their zone. Plus, it is often hit = fire and damage to the steering circuit = even if the engine is second, you will have to leave an uncontrolled aircraft.

          Israeli Air Force F-15C, pilot Ronen Shapira, struck by R-60 rocket in the right engine, returned to the airfield.
          MiG-29 (9-12B) Yugoslav Air Force, pilot Dragan Ilic, damaged by AIM-120C rocket, returned to the airfield.
          First, understand the question, and only then take comment.
  31. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 13 January 2020 09: 59
    +1
    Quote: rocket757
    Quote: volodimer
    Chinese-quality photocopy of the document,

    The Chinese are not just pulling everything towards themselves, they are thinking about the prospects. Work hard, hard in this direction.

    laughing Pull and create two differences.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 13 January 2020 17: 56
      +1
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Pull and create is the difference.

      China, reasonably, is moving from copying to creating. Everyone is already aware of this.
  32. shinobi
    shinobi 13 January 2020 10: 05
    0
    Here are the traders. Well, it’s the classic of the oriental bazaar, pouring dirt on the goods and the merchant at the same time to bring down the price. Actually, the answer has been known for a long time, I don’t like it, don’t take it and go away. will sell.
  33. Mikhail Drabkin
    Mikhail Drabkin 13 January 2020 10: 21
    +2
    Hindus do not know how to produce.
    They have no “step by step” traditions .... they are inconsistent ... they hop in hopes of overtaking with one jump.
    Arrogant, with colossal conceit. Their society cannot and cannot compete ... still caste stratification .... too much irrational.

    Dragonfly and ant .... hare and turtle. Comparisons are not in favor of India.
    Aircraft engine ... bullshit!
  34. NIKN
    NIKN 13 January 2020 10: 22
    +1
    Judging by the gestures, they’re going to have business with us, since they already have claims in advance. :))
  35. Ros 56
    Ros 56 13 January 2020 10: 34
    0
    Yes, they go and dance in small steps. It's time to push them with someone foreheads. Reality, it somehow quickly turns romantics into realists.
  36. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 13 January 2020 10: 38
    0
    Indian PR no more, an attempt to bring down the price of our engines
  37. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 13 January 2020 11: 53
    +1
    Hmm, the Indians are still those cowboys. Puffing with all their might.
    They twist their noses, but did they create at least something besides dancing and bollywood?
  38. Guru
    Guru 13 January 2020 12: 20
    0
    According to expert estimates, engine technologies needed for future aircraft are available in several countries: France, the UK and the USA.

    Do they think that technology will be transferred to them?
  39. al3x
    al3x 13 January 2020 12: 25
    0
    Indians will soon have their own 5 generations, with a thrust of 100kk elephant forces. Of course, it’s better than Russian and even more so Chinese, but they will not show it to anyone, because their stealth technology will be brought to the highest degree of perfection and therefore completely invisible.
  40. Astronaut
    Astronaut 13 January 2020 12: 39
    0
    In India, they doubted that Russia is able to build reliable aircraft engines

    They lay straws so that it is softer to fall when they are trimmed with their engine ...
  41. peter rusin_2
    peter rusin_2 13 January 2020 12: 47
    0
    It is best for Hindus to just buy finished goods or licensed production! The rest is a waste of money! True, licensed production they have, instead of cheaper, gives a rise in price! At HALL, it seems like some gluttons)))
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  43. ref25
    ref25 13 January 2020 13: 17
    0
    They always doubt Russian weapons, let them buy more expensive and worse. Will remain in ...
  44. Negruz
    Negruz 13 January 2020 13: 17
    0
    In recent years, the Indians began to talk a lot, do little and buy little ....
    However, when it comes to "doing", tejas comes out .....
  45. G⁣eo
    G⁣eo 13 January 2020 13: 36
    +1
    the country's air forces are eager to get a proprietary engine

    Boeing explains the huge problems with its 737 MAXs largely by the fact that the software for this aircraft was made by Indians. The very presence of "specialists" from India in the aircraft development chain is perceived today as a kind of criminal negligence.
    Apparently, the Indian leaders decided that cutting budgets within their own country was much more profitable than living off kickbacks from arms imports, and in that case they wanted to spit on any consequences.
  46. iouris
    iouris 13 January 2020 13: 54
    +1
    It should be clarified which of the reliability properties of Soviet aircraft engines does not suit Indian experts: durability (durability, longevity), reliability (reliability, failure-free operation), adaptability to maintenance (maintainability)? All of the above? Finally, in the USSR, operators also did not like the ability of industry to create reliable aircraft engines. Question: could the USSR buy engines in the USA and why did India buy military equipment from the USSR?
  47. Tuareg72
    Tuareg72 13 January 2020 14: 22
    0
    Yes Yes! Knob-like again wants a premium toy, but no money! Let’s take it worse, but so that no one calls suckers, we will outrun the best that can’t afford.
  48. vmo
    vmo 13 January 2020 16: 44
    0
    direct, arrogant extortion, india itself will never do anything, not that mind, without any offense and humiliation.
  49. vfvlasov
    vfvlasov 13 January 2020 21: 00
    +1
    Hindus are right, our technology and the reliability of aircraft engines are 30-40 years behind. Compare the performance characteristics of the F-35 and SU-57. Especially reliability and profitability. Our developments remained at the level of the 80s. Are the developers so cunning and arrogant that they gave Putin such a scam, wasting money from poor taxpayers? Hindus do not want to pay money for bullshit. The United States, France and England will not sell their best technology to them. But they will sell what is a little outdated, but better than in Russia.
    1. iouris
      iouris 14 January 2020 00: 24
      +1
      Quote: vfvlasov
      sell something a little outdated

      They won't sell. An attempt to repeat something, clone, catch up (and overtake) has never led to a positive result. To overtake you need to go straight to a new technological level. Today, only a few companies in the world are capable of making competitive aircraft engines. Soviet engines and equipment are heavily degraded clones of American ones (mostly). It seems that in the 80s something of its own began to appear in the USSR. But ... Now, nothing is being done to preserve competencies in critical areas. Able scientists and engineers are immediately "carried away" by a draft to unknown distances. Those who want to return have nowhere to return. The moment will soon come when "domestic" engineers will no longer understand how this works. But the leaders (mainly from financiers, lawyers and patented managers) will tell how everything is already good, and in fifty years it will be at all ...
      1. Yury Siritsky
        Yury Siritsky 14 January 2020 12: 42
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        No need la la. There were bad engines of Ivchenko, Klimov, I’m not talking about the rocket that America still buys.
  50. Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 14 January 2020 09: 41
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    Who else would sell the technology to the Indians :))
    Developing a new engine costs tens of billions of dollars, a design school is priceless!