Ukrainian boats “Island” are armed with Soviet rarity

In Nikolaev, on the basis of the Naval Center, training began for crews of patrol boats of the Island type, in particular, artillery specialists. These vessels have been transferred to Ukraine by the American side since 2018.

Prior to the transfer to Kiev, all weapons systems were dismantled from the boats, which necessitated their equipping with weapons of fire on their own.

As can be seen from the photographs presented, the vessels will be equipped with twin 25mm 2M-3M artillery mounts. Earlier, the MK-38 Mk.0 products removed during the demilitarization were placed on the carriages left by the Americans.

If the MK-38 is a relatively "fresh" system, being put into service in 1988, then the 2M-3 is a rarity of Soviet times. This installation was developed since 1945 and was finally approved by the Ministry of Defense in 1953.

At present, the boats of the Bumblebee project, which were left after the collapse of the USSR (Lubny, Nezhin Izmail, and the minesweeper Genichesk, act as its carrier in Ukraine).

The Network expresses the opinion that the installation of artillery systems will lead to a serious overload of boats, significantly increasing their accident rate.

Comments

[Kleber]

The point is to install the latest weapons on decommissioned ships. And what are the latest weapons in Ukraine ... in the best case, far from the best rework of the Soviet one.

[Finches]

What remains in the warehouse will be installed, but they may not be able to get to the fleet ...

[rocket757]

What is there to talk about? Sea ... some kind of pug power is certainly dangerous for others! Moreover, there are "wolf packs" and yapping ... scary howling !!!

[Chaldon48]

They will lose lateral stability and sail to the top with a keel, from a distance it can be mistaken for submarines.

[Uncle lee]

to a serious overload of boats, significantly increasing their accident rate.

25 mm installation will overload the miner! Horror! Put the PKK and calm down!

[Kleber]

If you weld their boats to the pier, like the Zaporozhye submarine, you can install something more powerful.

[Hunter 2]

Rarity, direct name for an antique store!
Mattresses and then "threw" the brothers they took and dismantled all the weapons ... therefore - they establish what is. 25 mm sparks will end, and they don’t have barrel casting technologies, they will think further!
In the end, you can put the catapults and gradually get to the "Greek fire"

[hydrox]

What a Greek fire if there is not a gram of oil!

[Freeman]

Quote: hydrox

What a Greek fire if there is not a gram of oil!

In fairness, it must be admitted that there is oil and gas in Ukraine, but their production and reserves are insufficient to cover needs.
But a couple of patrol boats will be enough to provide the "extinguisher", and there will be more for the "Greek fire".

The value of annual hydrocarbon production in recent years averaged 4 million tons of oil with condensate and 18 billion m3 of gas, which is respectively 10 and 20% consumed by the country.

[seregatara1969]

to disassemble the table gun was not found adit?

[Metallurg_2]

you can put a scorpion - like the ancient Romans.

[sergevonsohrn]

Then TARAN, as on Roman triremes! ... And what! How they will be thrown into the side of an "achressive" cruiser ...

[serg.shishkov2015]

I already wrote, let the modellers take the drawings of ancient throwing machines! I at one time bought 3 prefabricated models, they shot normally! Especially one! the main thing is to put the gum more powerful!

[alexmach]

25 mm sparks will end, and they don’t have barrel casting technologies, they will think further!

HZ 30mm gun copy 2A42 seem to produce.

[Comrade]

Quote from Uncle Lee

25 mm installation will overload the miner! Horror! Put the PKK and calm down!

Or Maxim machine guns.
Here is a Ukrainian warrior at the forefront, scribbling from a machine gun at the enemies of Ukraine.

If you can fight like that in the Donbass, why not at sea?

[Uncle lee]

"The Maxim machine gun will overload the boat and significantly increase its accident rate!"

[Nikolaevich I]

No .. what is "maxim"? This is that weight! Especially, the premium "maxim" from Shoigu!
Sergey Kuzhugetovich was going to order the masters of Zlatoust machine guns "Maxim" and PPSh
Shoigu did not like all this for historical parades on Red Square, but for replenishing the award fund of the Minister of Defense, which was at his full disposal. That is, the “Maxims” and PPSh of the 1941 model, the minister, according to Defense.ru, was going to favor the best of his subordinates. Moreover, the weapon will not be simple, but richly inlaid. According to the factory, “exclusive“ trunks ”will be painted using jewelry techniques such as engraving, etching, gilding, blackening, silvering, painting and metal cutting. Now they are discussing with the military what exactly will be depicted on weapons. ” Why not reward, though old, but "golden" machine guns? Since all the problems in the army have been resolved ... the funding of the Armed Forces has been fulfilled by 150% (!) ... the troops are rearmed with "armatures", boomerangs, "petrels" ... third generation missiles have fallen (!) ... bullet the naughty wolves in the forests of the Krasnoyarsk Territory!

[Evdokim]

Quote from Uncle Lee

Put the PKK and calm down!

Shchass !! Maxim - time tested .

[Orkraider]

Quote: Uncle Lee

to a serious overload of boats, significantly increasing their accident rate.

25 mm installation will overload the miner! Horror! Put the PKK and calm down!

It seems to me that there will be no problems, the weight of the installation (2M-3M twin machines) is 1520 kg, they were also put on small ships: Project 1204 artillery boats with a displacement of 77,4 tons, Torpedo boats with a displacement of 66,6 tons, Raid trawlers pr.1258,1258 96,7 with a total of XNUMX tons and so on.

But the "Islands" still 168 tons will be.

Although the foundation will probably need to be reinforced, the Mark 38 Mod0 has a weight of 570 kg, is almost 3 times lighter.

[Uncle lee]

5+ for knowledge of the materiel. And we are for a joke for amerskiy shmurdyak.

[Orkraider]

I didn’t get enough sleep and therefore serious)))
Why American? Offer fat! Maxim is not sorry for Sam to add, after all, it is a rarity

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Orkraider

rare book

But Gatling’s machine gun is a pity, huh?

[Orkraider]

Brilliant!
And Thompson machines for the security team. And what, well, a strictly democratic weapon. It will be immediately clear that not just any barbarians, but the lights of the free world

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Orkraider

thompson machines

It will be greasy! Enough of Winchester ...

[Alex 2020]

The Thompsons will definitely overload these "gorgeous" basins!

[cost]

Ukrainian boats “Island” are armed with Soviet rarity

It would be more patriotic to install your "Hammer"

[bessmertniy]

Americans do not want to remake scrap metal. So they send it to Ukraine as military aid.

[hydrox]

This is for the navigator. on this kateryuhe to conduct naval battle on mortars ???

[cost]

But patriotic caliber 120 mm. the damned Muscovites do not have this on their boats .... and if something happens, the invaders will not be able to capture the heroic boat, it will explode together with the "Hammer"

[hydrox]

Yes, they don’t have enough boats or crews to spontaneously explode with these filthy glands!

[cost]

But it’s very convenient to explain the non-military losses to the people of Ukraine: they say they didn’t spontaneously blow up the ship, not as a result of spontaneous blasting, but deliberately heroically, so as not to be captured by the invaders, who, as usual, meanly and cowardly didn’t come to sea battle

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Orkraider

And Thompson machines for the security team.

The case when it is not very funny 45 caliber Magazine with 71 or 100 rounds in a confined space. Simply put, a hell thresher in confined space and close combat. Not the worst option for working with poachers and pirates.

[Orkraider]

At 100, it’s unlikely that it becomes too heavy, an automatic machine of 4,5 kg and a disk of 4 with a penny of kg - almost 9 kg, it's hard.
At 50 the most optimal.
But were there 71 discs on wheels?

And so, I agree with you, in close combat is very good, he even had a name, a trench broom.
But there is a minus, the bullet speed is very low, which means that the trajectory is a cool bullet. And I don’t think that his penetration is good, the bullets are all soft (I don’t know, I guess).

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Orkraider

But were there 71 discs on wheels?

1 in the trunk as a bonus

Quote: Orkraider

I don’t think that his penetration is good, the bullets are all soft

Standard 45AKR pistol. This is just a plus-a minimum of rebounds and a good stopping effect.

[Ruslan67]

PS

Quote: Orkraider

and 50 is the most optimal.

There was a 25 horn

[Orkraider]

Boxed were 20 and 30 rounds. And the disks are only 50 and 100.
Not at 70, sure)))
For a long time I chose between buying the legendary PPSh and Tomgan, so I know)))

I took PPSh for 44 years, because of history. My grandfather ran with this, it outweighed all the other arguments.

[Orkraider]

There he is)))
Legend.

[Orkraider]

Standard 45AKR pistol. This is just a plus-a minimum of rebounds and a good stopping effect.

I agree.
As for the rebounds, I did not think ,
plus, there’s no one to accidentally hit the bulkhead, it’s also a plus for the 45AKR pistol

[Rzzz]

Quote: Ruslan67

Quote: Orkraider
But were there 71 discs on wheels?

1 in the trunk as a bonus

71 is at the PPSh. And "in the barrel" he could not have a cartridge, there was a free shutter. Thomson, by the way, too.

[Ruslan67]

Quote: rzzz

71 is for PPSh.

It is necessary to search for the primary sources It seemed to me that at 70 was Maybe someone’s replica?

[Rzzz]

There, the lethal range is small, 50 meters. It turned out to be an excellent PP for gang warfare and trench cleansing, but for the sea it is really funny. The same PPSh - will be "no funnier", or something on the topic of AKMS.

[Sergey Pavlov]

Well, what can I say - it's too much!

[antivirus]

follow the right course, non-brothers, in 10-15 years you will buy boats on the Sea and the Gulf

[Thrifty]

And if they also put Neptune cruise missiles on them, then these ships will not be able to leave the pier!

[Vladimir_2U]

wings

Quote: Thrifty

And if you also put Neptune cruise missiles on them, then these ships

But if you install the missiles in the underwater part, you get a hydrofoil missile boat! )))

[rotmistr60]

It was developed since 1945 and was finally approved by the Ministry of Defense in 1953

As the saying goes: "In the absence of fish and cancer - a fish." But it somehow does not fit with the widespread Ukrainian de-Sovietization. The wrong Soviet on the right Ukrainian ships, especially those received from the Americans, smacks of sickening. It turns out that even a fur coat battered by a moth from a master's shoulder is happiness for a slave (both in relation to ships and in relation to weapons).

[Rurikovich]

I do not know ... Either laugh ... Or cry ...
Oh, by the way, you can also spandor an air group in the form of a kite
Now, if you find out how many admirals in Ukraine are recruited to the non-existent fleet?

[hydrox]

Why a snake?
Inflate item # 2 with hydrogen and put a signalman with an observer in the basket :: they will adjust the artillery fire and shout “Earth!” When the boat decays from old age and starts to sink!

[NKT]

In Nikolaev, on the basis of the Naval Center, training began for crews of patrol boats of the Island type, in particular, artillery specialists.

In Sevastopol, on the basis of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation, the preparation of the pier, as well as crews for receiving patrol boats of the Island type, started. Particular attention is paid to the plumbing reception team. They plan to transfer the boats at the beginning of February, the preliminary transfer point is three miles from the Kerch bridge. Password - heroes fat. Feedback - the meeting place cannot be changed.

[AleBors]

The whole crew tube and elderberry. Kaaak spit in one gulp ...

[Alexey from Perm]

Yes, even if they install something, these boats are suitable only for patrol service. Now, if they had some sort of missile system installed, it would be more dangerous.

[Old26]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

That is, the “Maxims” and PPSh of the 1941 model, the minister, according to Defense.ru, was going to favor the best of his subordinates.

Well, "Maxim" may be superfluous, but the "premium" PPSh would look quite respectable on the wall. The main thing is that friends and acquaintances do not have this.

And "Maxim" ... One of my acquaintances, a caperang, who left the service in the dashing 90s, decorated his office in terms of naval themes. We had a shop in our city that sold "exclusive" gift items. So he bought there a "product" for his study, made in the form of a ship's cannon of the XNUMXth century. It looks quite. I think that the "premium Maxim" in such a situation would look

[Fishery]

Well, dshk is also a noble junk, but it is still a dangerous thing

[Mastrer]

DShK he is like a Kalash, simple, unpretentious and, to put it mildly, stamped Doher. And the 12.7x108 cartridge will explain to any hater how and where it is wrong ...

[Sergey Eliseev]

The gun mount will be installed as early as 1953. And at least one instructor survived to teach the "brave sailors of a wolf pack" how not to shoot their own?

[LeonidL]

Why not teach this? According to the good old tradition, you first need to beat your own ... and strangers then these mariners will go a mile away!

[ab111]

Quote: seregatara1969

to disassemble the table gun was not found adit?

They are very heavy.
And when assembling, disassembling, servicing, sufficient efforts are required. An ordinary office desk, if it doesn’t even break, will spoil greatly.

[Pavel57]

Soviet means excellent.

[Yuriy Malyshko]

These little girls have one advantage: they can be easily screwed, thrown over the fence and sold.

[LeonidL]

Your truth is nothing personal only business!

[bk316]

Wow easy - they weigh one and a half tons .....

[LeonidL]

It is interesting to trace the transformation of the unfortunate "Eylander" in the media're coming out. They were proudly wielded by "destroyers", then "frigates" ... "corvettes", missile ships to help NATO in the Mediterranean ... in dry draft, former Coast Guard boats with Soviet guns on the deck. And with what stupid surprise the sailors look at the cannons ... probably they saw this in a museum before?

[tarakanovaleksei]

Put guns firing nuclei. Catapults, as on the Maidan, bottles with ,, km ,, and harem pants with embroidery on the mast.

[Sergey Pedenko]

let the catapult be installed //