Ukrainian boats “Island” are armed with Soviet rarity


In Nikolaev, on the basis of the Naval Center, training began for crews of patrol boats of the Island type, in particular, artillery specialists. These vessels have been transferred to Ukraine by the American side since 2018.


Prior to the transfer to Kiev, all weapons systems were dismantled from the boats, which necessitated their equipping with weapons of fire on their own.

As can be seen from the photographs presented, the vessels will be equipped with twin 25mm 2M-3M artillery mounts. Earlier, the MK-38 Mk.0 products removed during the demilitarization were placed on the carriages left by the Americans.

If the MK-38 is a relatively "fresh" system, being put into service in 1988, then the 2M-3 is a rarity of Soviet times. This installation was developed since 1945 and was finally approved by the Ministry of Defense in 1953.

At present, the boats of the Bumblebee project, which were left after the collapse of the USSR (Lubny, Nezhin Izmail, and the minesweeper Genichesk, act as its carrier in Ukraine).

The Network expresses the opinion that the installation of artillery systems will lead to a serious overload of boats, significantly increasing their accident rate.


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  1. Kleber 13 January 2020 05: 03 New
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    The point is to install the latest weapons on decommissioned ships. And what are the latest weapons in Ukraine ... in the best case, far from the best rework of the Soviet one.
    1. Finches 13 January 2020 05: 15 New
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      What remains in the warehouse will be installed, but they may not be able to get to the fleet ... laughing
      1. rocket757 13 January 2020 05: 22 New
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        What is there to talk about? Marine ... some kind of mosquito force is certainly dangerous for others! Moreover, they are there "wolf packs" and yapping ... howl scary !!!
        1. Chaldon48 14 January 2020 02: 05 New
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          They will lose lateral stability and sail to the top with a keel, from a distance it can be mistaken for submarines.
    2. Uncle lee 13 January 2020 05: 20 New
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      to a serious overload of boats, significantly increasing their accident rate.
      25 mm installation will overload the miner! Horror! Put the PKK and calm down!
      1. Kleber 13 January 2020 05: 30 New
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        If you weld their boats to the pier, like a Zaporozhye submarine, you can install something more powerful.
      2. Hunter 2 13 January 2020 05: 33 New
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        Rarity, direct name for an antique store!
        Mattresses and then "threw" the brothers winked they took and dismantled all the weapons ... therefore - they establish what is. 25 mm sparks will end, and they don’t have barrel casting technologies, they will think further! what
        In the end, you can put the catapults and gradually get to the "Greek fire" laughing
        1. hydrox 13 January 2020 08: 09 New
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          What a Greek fire if there is not a gram of oil! laughing
          1. Freeman 13 January 2020 12: 16 New
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            Quote: hydrox
            What a Greek fire if there is not a gram of oil! laughing


            In fairness, it must be admitted that there is oil and gas in Ukraine, but their production and reserves are insufficient to cover needs.
            But to provide a "gas" a pair of patrol boats is enough, it will also remain on the "Greek fire".
            hi

            The value of annual hydrocarbon production in recent years averaged 4 million tons of oil with condensate and 18 billion m3 of gas, which is respectively 10 and 20% consumed by the country.
          2. seregatara1969 13 January 2020 14: 47 New
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            to disassemble the table gun was not found adit?
          3. Metallurg_2 13 January 2020 21: 24 New
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            you can put a scorpion - like the ancient Romans.
          4. sergevonsohrn 14 January 2020 00: 15 New
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            Then TARAN, as in Roman triremes! ... And what! How to hit them on board the "aggressive" cruiser ...
        2. serg.shishkov2015 13 January 2020 09: 30 New
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          I already wrote, let the modellers take the drawings of ancient throwing machines! I at one time bought 3 prefabricated models, they shot normally! Especially one! the main thing is to put the gum more powerful!
        3. alexmach 13 January 2020 20: 07 New
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          25 mm sparks will end, and they don’t have barrel casting technologies, they will think further!

          HZ 30mm gun copy 2A42 seem to produce.
      3. Comrade 13 January 2020 05: 41 New
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        Quote: Uncle Lee
        25 mm installation will overload the miner! Horror! Put the PKK and calm down!

        Or Maxim machine guns.
        Here is a Ukrainian warrior at the forefront, scribbling from a machine gun at the enemies of Ukraine.
        If you can fight like that in the Donbass, why not at sea?
        1. Uncle lee 13 January 2020 05: 43 New
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          "Maxim's machine gun will reload the boat and significantly increase its accident rate!" no
        2. Nikolaevich I 13 January 2020 07: 14 New
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          No .. and what is "maxim"? recourse This is that weight! fellow Special, award "maxim" from Shoigu! yes
          Sergey Kuzhugetovich was going to order the masters of Zlatoust machine guns "Maxim" and PPSh
          Shoigu did not like all this for historical parades on Red Square, but for replenishing the award fund of the Minister of Defense, which was at his full disposal. That is, the “Maxims” and PPSh of the 1941 model, the minister, according to Defense.ru, was going to favor the best of his subordinates. Moreover, the weapon will not be simple, but richly inlaid. According to the factory, “exclusive“ trunks ”will be painted using jewelry techniques such as engraving, etching, gilding, blackening, silvering, painting and metal cutting. Now they are discussing with the military what exactly will be depicted on weapons. ”
          And why not reward, albeit with old, but “golden” machine guns? Since all the problems in the army have been resolved ... the financing of the Armed Forces was 150% (!) Fulfilled ... the troops were re-equipped with "armatures", boomerangs, "petrels" ... 3rd generation missiles-heaps (!) ... even in bullet wolves in the forests of the Krasnoyarsk Territory bullet!
      4. Evdokim 13 January 2020 06: 01 New
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        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Put the PKK and calm down!

        Shchass !! Maxim - good time tested good .
      5. Orkraider 13 January 2020 06: 39 New
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        Quote: Uncle Lee
        to a serious overload of boats, significantly increasing their accident rate.
        25 mm installation will overload the miner! Horror! Put the PKK and calm down!


        hi

        It seems to me that there will be no problems, the weight of the installation (2M-3M twin machines) is 1520 kg, they were also put on small ships: Project 1204 artillery boats with a displacement of 77,4 tons, Torpedo boats with a displacement of 66,6 tons, Raid trawlers pr.1258,1258 96,7 with a total of XNUMX tons and so on.

        But the "Islands" still 168 tons will be.

        Although the foundation will probably need to be reinforced, the Mark 38 Mod0 has a weight of 570 kg, is almost 3 times lighter.
        1. Uncle lee 13 January 2020 06: 43 New
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          5+ for knowledge of the materiel. And we are for a joke for amerskiy shmurdyak. hi hi
          1. Orkraider 13 January 2020 06: 48 New
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            I didn’t get enough sleep laughing and therefore serious)))
            Why American? Offer fat! Maxim is not sorry for Sam to add, after all, it is a rarity lol
            1. Uncle lee 13 January 2020 06: 52 New
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              Quote: Orkraider
              rare book

              But Gatling’s machine gun is a pity, huh?
              1. Orkraider 13 January 2020 06: 57 New
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                Brilliant!
                And Thompson machines for the security team. And what, well, a strictly democratic weapon. It will be immediately clear that not just any barbarians, but the lights of the free world lol
                1. Uncle lee 13 January 2020 07: 01 New
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                  Quote: Orkraider
                  thompson machines

                  It will be greasy! Enough of Winchester ...
                2. Alex 2020 13 January 2020 08: 47 New
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                  Here the Thomps will definitely overload these "chic" basins!
                  1. rich 13 January 2020 08: 54 New
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                    Ukrainian boats “Island” are armed with Soviet rarity

                    It would be more patriotic to install your Hammer no
                    1. bessmertniy 13 January 2020 09: 22 New
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                      Americans do not want to remake scrap metal. So they send it to Ukraine as military aid. no
                    2. hydrox 13 January 2020 12: 40 New
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                      This is for the navigator. on this kateryuhe to conduct naval battle on mortars ??? laughing
                      1. rich 13 January 2020 13: 21 New
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                        But patriotic fellow caliber 120 mm. damned Muscovites do not have this on boats .... and even if the occupiers fail to capture the heroic boat, it will explode with the Hammer yes
                      2. hydrox 13 January 2020 14: 20 New
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                        Yes, they don’t have enough boats or crews to spontaneously explode with these filthy glands!
                      3. rich 13 January 2020 14: 32 New
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                        But it’s very convenient to explain the non-military losses to the people of Ukraine: they say they didn’t spontaneously blow up the ship, not as a result of spontaneous blasting, but deliberately heroically, so as not to be captured by the invaders, who, as usual, meanly and cowardly didn’t come to sea battle yes
            2. Ruslan67 13 January 2020 23: 29 New
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              Quote: Orkraider
              And Thompson machines for the security team.

              The case when it is not very funny recourse 45 caliber Magazine with 71 or 100 rounds in a confined space. Simply put, a hell thresher in confined space and close combat. Not the worst option for working with poachers and pirates.
              1. Orkraider 13 January 2020 23: 44 New
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                hi
                At 100, it’s unlikely that it becomes too heavy, an automatic machine of 4,5 kg and a disk of 4 with a penny of kg - almost 9 kg, it's hard.
                At 50 the most optimal.
                But were there 71 discs on wheels?

                And so, I agree with you, in close combat is very good, he even had a name, a trench broom.
                But there is a minus, the bullet speed is very low, which means that the trajectory is a cool bullet. And I don’t think that his penetration is good, the bullets are all soft (I don’t know, I guess).
                1. Ruslan67 13 January 2020 23: 48 New
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                  Quote: Orkraider
                  But were there 71 discs on wheels?

                  1 in the trunk as a bonus
                  Quote: Orkraider
                  I don’t think that his penetration is good, the bullets are all soft

                  Standard 45AKR pistol. This is just a plus-a minimum of rebounds and a good stopping effect.
                  1. Ruslan67 13 January 2020 23: 49 New
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                    PS
                    Quote: Orkraider
                    and 50 is the most optimal.

                    There was a 25 horn
                  2. Orkraider 13 January 2020 23: 55 New
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                    Boxed were 20 and 30 rounds. And the disks are only 50 and 100.
                    Not at 70, sure)))
                    For a long time I chose between buying the legendary PPSh and Tomgan, so I know)))

                    I took PPSh for 44 years, because of history. My grandfather ran with this, it outweighed all the other arguments.
                  3. Orkraider 13 January 2020 23: 57 New
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                    There he is)))
                    Legend.
              2. Orkraider 14 January 2020 00: 03 New
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                Standard 45AKR pistol. This is just a plus-a minimum of rebounds and a good stopping effect.


                I agree.
                As for the rebounds, I did not think fool ,
                plus, there’s no one to accidentally hit the bulkhead, it’s also a plus for the 45AKR pistol
                drinks
              3. Rzzz 14 January 2020 01: 58 New
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                Quote: Ruslan67
                Quote: Orkraider
                But were there 71 discs on wheels?

                1 in the trunk as a bonus

                71 is for PPSh. And "in the barrel" he could not have a cartridge, there was a free shutter. Thomson, by the way, too.
              4. Ruslan67 14 January 2020 02: 33 New
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                Quote: rzzz
                71 is for PPSh.

                It is necessary to search for the primary sources what It seemed to me that at 70 was request Maybe someone’s replica? request
        2. Rzzz 14 January 2020 08: 32 New
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          There, the slaughter range is small, 50 meters. It turned out to be an excellent PP for gang warfare and trench sweeps, but for the sea this is really funny. The same PPSh - will be "no funnier", or something on the topic of AKMS.
  • Sergey Pavlov 13 January 2020 05: 13 New
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    Well, what can I say - it's too much! laughing
  • antivirus 13 January 2020 05: 14 New
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    follow the right course, non-brothers, in 10-15 years you will buy boats on the Sea and the Gulf
  • Thrifty 13 January 2020 05: 22 New
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    And if they also put Neptune cruise missiles on them, then these ships will not be able to leave the pier!
    1. Vladimir_2U 13 January 2020 05: 26 New
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      Quote: Thrifty
      And if you also put Neptune cruise missiles on them, then these ships
      But if you install the missiles in the underwater part, you get a hydrofoil missile boat! )))
  • rotmistr60 13 January 2020 06: 28 New
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    It was developed since 1945 and was finally approved by the Ministry of Defense in 1953
    As the saying goes: "Fishlessness and cancer are fish." That's just somehow does not fit with the widespread Ukrainian desovetization. Wrong Soviet on the correct Ukrainian ships, especially those received from the Americans smacks of hail. It turns out that even a moth-beaten fur coat from a gentleman's shoulder is happiness for a serf (both in relation to ships and in relation to weapons).
  • Rurikovich 13 January 2020 07: 10 New
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    I do not know ... what Either laugh ... Or cry ... wassat laughing laughing laughing
    Oh, by the way, you can also spandor an air group in the form of a kite lol wassat
    Now, if you find out how many admirals in Ukraine are recruited to the non-existent fleet? what request
    1. hydrox 13 January 2020 08: 20 New
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      Why a snake?
      Inflate item No. 2 with hydrogen and put the signalman with an observer in the basket: they will correct the artillery fire and shout “Earth!” When the catheter rots from old age and begins to sink!
  • NKT
    NKT 13 January 2020 08: 00 New
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    In Nikolaev, on the basis of the Naval Center, training began for crews of patrol boats of the Island type, in particular, artillery specialists.


    In Sevastopol, on the basis of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation, the preparation of the pier, as well as crews for receiving patrol boats of the Island type, started. Particular attention is paid to the plumbing reception team. They plan to transfer the boats at the beginning of February, the preliminary transfer point is three miles from the Kerch bridge. Password - heroes fat. Feedback - the meeting place cannot be changed.
  • AleBors 13 January 2020 11: 57 New
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    The whole crew tube and elderberry. Kaaak spit in one gulp ...
  • Alexey from Perm 13 January 2020 12: 09 New
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    Yes, even if they install something, these boats are suitable only for patrol service. Now, if they had some sort of missile system installed, it would be more dangerous.
  • Old26 13 January 2020 13: 08 New
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    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    That is, the “Maxims” and PPSh of the 1941 model, the minister, according to Defense.ru, was going to favor the best of his subordinates.

    Well, "Maxim" may be superfluous, but the "premium" PPSh would look quite respectable on the wall. The main thing is that acquaintances and friends do not have this. laughing

    And "Maxim" ... One of my acquaintances, caperang, who left the service in the dashing 90s, finished his office in terms of marine subjects. There was a store in our city selling "exclusive" gift items. So he bought there an “item” for the cabinet, made in the form of a ship’s gun of the XNUMXth century. It looks quite. I think that the “premium Maxim” in such a situation would have looked laughing
  • Fishery 13 January 2020 15: 37 New
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    Well, dshk is also a noble junk, but it is still a dangerous thing
    1. Mastrer 14 January 2020 09: 32 New
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      DShK he is like a Kalash, simple, unpretentious and, to put it mildly, stamped Doher. And the 12.7x108 cartridge will explain to any hater how and where it is wrong ...
  • Sergey Eliseev 13 January 2020 16: 13 New
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    An artillery mount will be installed already in 1953. And at least one instructor survived to teach the “brave wolf pack sailors” how not to shoot at their own?
    1. LeonidL 14 January 2020 05: 34 New
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      Why not teach this? According to the good old tradition, you first need to beat your own ... and strangers then these mariners will go a mile away!
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  • ab111 13 January 2020 16: 58 New
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    Quote: seregatara1969
    to disassemble the table gun was not found adit?


    They are very heavy.
    And when assembling, disassembling, servicing, sufficient efforts are required. An ordinary office desk, if it doesn’t even break, will spoil greatly.
  • Pavel57 13 January 2020 18: 00 New
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    Soviet means excellent.
  • Yuriy Malyshko 13 January 2020 19: 03 New
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    These little girls have one advantage: they can be easily screwed, thrown over the fence and sold.
    1. LeonidL 14 January 2020 05: 32 New
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      Your truth is nothing personal only business!
    2. bk316 14 January 2020 16: 49 New
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      Wow easy - they weigh one and a half tons .....
  • LeonidL 14 January 2020 05: 31 New
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    It is interesting to trace the transformation of the unfortunate "Islanders" into the media. They loaded them proudly as “destroyers”, then “frigates” ... “corvettes”, missile ships to help NATO in the Mediterranean Sea ... in dry sediment, former Coast Guard boats with Soviet cannons on deck. And with what dumb surprises sailors are considering guns ... probably before they saw this in a museum?
  • tarackanovaleksei 14 January 2020 08: 28 New
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    Put guns firing nuclei. Catapults, as on the Maidan, bottles with ,, km ,, and harem pants with embroidery on the mast.
  • Sergey Pedenko 14 January 2020 12: 07 New
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    let the catapult be installed //