Pension reform: we do not live in the USSR

Pension reform: we do not live in the USSR

After the New Year holidays, the country suddenly, once again, saw that Russia was far from the USSR. That the state and a specific person interact with each other in much the same way as a shepherd and sheep. While wool can be sheared from a sheep, the sheep is looked after, fed, cherished. And then, when the wool becomes scarce, sheep's happiness ends.


Pension reform, the very “sheep’s happiness”, celebrated its anniversary. And in honor of such a holiday, she made Russian pensioners happy with a “huge” increase in pensions. So huge that even such relatively loyal people to power, finally realized that having reached the "time of survival", the state does not need a person.

All the promises of the state, which were made by the authorities during and after the start of the reform, turned out to be zilch. The interests of the state, as it turned out, are in no way connected with the interests of man.

We remember how clumsy the reform was. Even for those who understood the need to increase their retirement age, the reform caused a shock. But there was still hope in the minds of people that the government would correct the decisions made and the sharp corners would disappear. But that did not happen.

The fact that a wave of protests against the PR swept through the country, the government did not notice. It is clear that they hoped that they could quickly bring this topic out of the topNews. To some extent, it was possible. For most, the problems of retirees were successfully covered by their own problems.

I wonder if those who developed and implemented this reform really set the goal of improving the lives of senior citizens? Or the task at all costs to concentrate funds in the Pension Fund? Remember how recently we were looking for funds for the implementation of some projects and were not at all embarrassed to take these same funds from the elderly?

What do we have today? The first and probably most important thing, people, regardless of their political views, position in society, even their financial situation, realized that Russia is not a social state. The salvation of drowning is the work of the drowning themselves.

Most of Russia's population today belongs to the state ... nothing. I will not give the results of surveys about pension reform. Each reader can talk with their surroundings on this subject. The result will be similar. Negative! The only difference is who will be considered the culprit.

Among those with whom I spoke, Putin, Medvedev, United Russia, the government as a whole, local officials, and even the people themselves were to blame. But is it important? The important thing is that tomorrow these people will no longer support such a state. Those pensioners who from the Soviet times regularly go to the polls and vote as the authorities need, will simply stop going to them.

The traditional, in such cases, government's excuse of “no money, but you hold on” today will not work either. There is money! I'm not talking about the budget. I'm talking about the FIU. Pension reserves in Russia are higher than the roof.

Anton Drozdov, the head of the FIU, recently announced the fact that at the end of 2019, 150 billion rubles had accumulated in the Pension Fund. And if you add the accumulations of private PFs there too? After all, only 70 billion rubles are concentrated in the largest private pension funds.

Why does this money not go to raise pensions? Why, instead of fulfilling their own obligations to the elderly and disabled, the government, represented by Deputy Prime Minister Tatyana Golikova, proposes to create another feeding trough for officials, a fund for caring for the elderly?

On the whole, it seems to me that pension reform has seriously undermined the confidence of the population in all institutions of the state. People’s faith in justice, in the state-defender of the weak is seriously undermined. Not only in relation to pensioners. Today, any reform in the state is perceived as another deception of the people.

Alas, if today the government suddenly decides to correct its own mistake and really increase the living standards of Russian pensioners, that is, it will significantly increase pensions, then even this will not change the attitude of Russians. Deceived once, and we are deceived far more than once, ceases to believe promises.

Exit? Alas, there is no way out today. I can’t even imagine the event that should happen in order for the consciousness of the people to change. It must be something epoch-making. Like the flight of Gagarin or the Victory in the Second World War ... Only we do not live in the USSR ...
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  1. Cut Samshitov 13 January 2020 07: 39 New
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    That is, according to the author, someone recently thought that Russia is a "social state" ?? At least one fact since 1991 allowed this to be done ???
    1. AlexVas44 13 January 2020 08: 23 New
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      Quote: Cut Samshitov
      ... someone recently thought that Russia is a "social state" ?? At least one fact since 1991 allowed this to be done ???

      There are no facts, but there are articles: Article 7.1 from the Constitution and a whole set of articles from the Criminal Code. laughing
      1. Stas157 13 January 2020 14: 40 New
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        I will not give the results of surveys about pension reform. Every reader can talk with your environment on this.

        I called my parents and talked. Pension increased by 6,6%. But this rise was not felt in any way on welfare. Because it was eaten by rising prices and inflation. And whose pension was below average, they generally raised less than a thousand.

        And therefore, the promise of a decent pension, as a justification for raising the retirement age, in fact remained a promise.
      2. Lexus 13 January 2020 14: 46 New
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        There are no facts, but there are articles: Article 7.1 from the Constitution and a whole set of articles from the Criminal Code

        The paper will endure / Expression /.

        "Vacations in Prostokvashino", cartoon, 1980.

        That was a long time ago...

        Now the European pensioner, retiring, travels around the world, and the Russian - goes around the world.
        The next increase in the retirement age is obviously intended to save workers from retirement torment.
        1. nikolaki6890 14 January 2020 07: 59 New
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          Now the European pensioner does not travel the world and there is not enough pension ....
        2. TANKISTONE 14 January 2020 13: 17 New
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          For a long time, everything is not as the "zombie box" shows: .. Poverty in Germany: how pensioners live on the social bottom of society Author: Ekaterina Yakimets You can work out all your life, but, in the end, survive “As www.germania.one reports. Most elderly people in Germany do not have enough pensions for even the most necessary. According to the Statistikamt Nord Association, 15,3% of residents of Hamburg and Schleswig-Holstein are at risk of poverty and receive less than € 1 108 (Hamburg) or € 1 052 (Schleswig-Holstein) per month "According to www.germania.one. The most difficult fate befell those who worked part-time or in mini-work. Such pensioners are forced to refuse even the most necessary things. Statistikamt Nord Managing Director Silke Kettner: “For many families, going to the cinema or buying a new bag has long been a luxury.” Senior citizen Gunter Grebe (65) from Farmsen (district in Hamburg) worked as a cleaner and taxi driver for 18 years “According to www.germania.one. Now a man cannot even afford a separate apartment. He lives with friends, sometimes in a shelter. “Since I do not receive a large pension, I applied to the district office for basic security. I would like to rent a one bedroom apartment, but it is too expensive. I can't afford a rent of € 500. " The winter months are especially difficult for Grebe: “Last winter, I lived in the container that the church provided me. I hope this year I will not stay on the street. " In Schleswig-Holstein, the situation is no better. Gisela Carstens (73 years old) from Tangstedt (Pinneberg County) is forced to survive on € 539 per month. Each time, a mother of two children goes to charity organizations because she cannot feed herself. https://germania.one/bednost-v-germanii-kak-zhivut-pensionery-na-socialnom-dne-obshhestva/

          [b] But there are still (so far) such pensioners (compare their number): [/ b
          The richest pensioners in Germany receive more than € 2500 Author: Victoria Kholodenina Most pensioners can only dream of such amounts: about 16 thousand people in Germany receive a pension of more than € 2500 per month, which is 0,08% of the total number of pensioners in the country (21 million) “According to www.germania.one. The average pension for this small number of elderly people is € 2800 per month - after deducting insurance premiums for illness and need for care “According to www.germania.one. 13 of these pensioners live in western Germany, 340 in the east. According to pension statistics, in the West of Germany 2520 pensioners receive a monthly pension of € 52, according to www.germania.one. In the east, there are nine people with such a high pension, they are paid € 3202. For comparison: the average pension in western Germany for men is € 3069, for women is € 1095. In the east, the average pension for men is € 622, women - € 1198. Why do senior citizens get so much? Everything is obvious: those who received high salaries have a high pension. We are talking about those whose income was above the upper limit subject to insurance premiums. At the moment it is € 928 for the west and € 6700 for the east. The maximum pension a worker can earn over 6150 years is € 45 in the west and € 2724 in the east. The amount of the pension can be increased by paying voluntary contributions or later retirement. Barbara's pension is € 2623. Barbara Shock-Werner, a 3562-year-old woman from Cologne, is one of the highest pensioners in Germany “According to www.germania.one. Before the death of her husband, her pension was € 71 (after deducting tax and insurance payments), now she receives a widow's pension, and has € 2600. Barbara has been working since she was 3562, and continuously paid insurance premiums. Now she most willingly spends her money on the purchase of books and jewelry, and the woman also loves to travel. https://germania.one/samye-bogatye-pensionery-germanii-poluchajut-bolshe-e16/
          But in general: Many Germans are unable to pay electricity bills Author: Victoria Kholodenina Unpaid bill, ignored notice of payment, and then blackout “As www.germania.one reports. In Germany, compulsory limitation of power supply is a fairly frequent phenomenon. Last year, due to unpaid bills, about 330 thousand houses were disconnected from the electricity supply system, “According to www.germania.one. Another 6,6 million forgetful payers received written notifications of a possible power outage. When can they turn off the electricity? A power outage is the last measure that public utilities resort to if the payer has payment arrears of € 100 or more and if, after numerous warnings and reminders, the debt has not been repaid. For debtors, such a disconnection means additional costs, since they will have to pay not only overdue bills, but also reconnect to the network. Often, the amount of additional payments varies from € 35 to € 200. In part, the problem with mass blackouts also exists because the price of electricity has increased markedly: since 2000, the price per kilowatt per hour from 15 cents has risen to 30. Moreover, the amount of real income for the same period has increased only slightly. There is clearly not enough money provided for by unemployment benefits to pay electricity bills, according to experts. Also, among the poor consumers of electricity, many cannot afford new equipment, so they are forced to use the old one, which consumes many times more energy. https://germania.one/mnogie-nemcy-nesposobny-oplatit-scheta-za-jelektrojenergiju/#news
          1. atalef 14 January 2020 13: 24 New
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            According to pension statistics, in West Germany, 52 pensioners receive a monthly pension of € 3202

            I do not believe that German pensioners have a 100% income level higher than Israeli pensioners.
            3200 €, total 52 people in the whole of western Germany.
            Laughter, I will have a higher pension.
            The majority of Israelis who have worked for 35 years or more (state employees or who have worked in a serious enterprise) have a pension above 15.000 shekels.
            Therefore - I do not believe.
            1. TANKISTONE 15 January 2020 16: 42 New
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              I am not at all interested in retirees of Israel! Do not even live on alms! I answered the comment
              Lexus (Alexey) January 13, 2020 14:46 Now a European pensioner, retiring, travels around the World, and a Russian - goes around the world.
              based on the article, and to which I myself am a living witness. Therefore, I am traveling now, not retired! Because you need to live up to it - this is the first, the second - I will have a beggarly pension (which I am informed about every day by the pension fund, sending printouts of future payments (without pension taxes, which will be deducted from the 100% pension in the future)). Even picking up bottles will not help, because Already, the "competition" is such that it comes to fights in "alien" territory ...
          2. Machito 15 January 2020 02: 25 New
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            I believe that United Russia will communize all the money of pensioners: villas are very expensive abroad.
      3. Uran53 13 January 2020 18: 38 New
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        We have long put power on the Constitution. And the Criminal Code in Russia is a very selective thing, then.
    2. bessmertniy 13 January 2020 08: 28 New
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      And the new tax on the population, which is called the payment for overhaul, is it not a sign of a "social state" !? request You haven’t done any service yet, and you have to pay in advance for repairs to which you may never survive! repeat
      1. bandabas 13 January 2020 10: 03 New
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        Yes, it would not give a damn about this tax, it might go to the heirs (although I doubt it). The fact is that the patching of houses, which is now being done for overhaul, does not pull in any way. Normal overhaul is the resettlement of residents in a maneuvering fund for the period of work and the complete replacement of everything in the house. From utilities to dilapidated roof ceilings.
      2. Sotskiy 13 January 2020 10: 44 New
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        Quote: bessmertniy
        you have to pay in advance for repairs to which you may never survive!

        Well why.
        Our HOA (one apartment building) has its own personal expense account and a separate overhaul account. Each homeowner pays directly to organizations that provide gas supply, water supply and sanitation, energy supply services. Without any "gaskets" type UK. Heating and hot water are provided by individual boilers installed in each apartment.
        Of the funds raised for the overhaul account, 50% of the roof of the house was repaired. Of the funds raised to the current account, the entrance group of his house was repaired.
        Another question is that while we accumulate the necessary amount for the next renovation with our whole house, inflation and price increases "regulated" by our authorities will devalue all accumulations. Maintenance rates have not changed since 2013. It is impossible to save from the planned devaluation of the accumulation of HOAs by deposits in the bank at interest, prohibited by law. And so we “live” in the fight against the ubiquitous “market” at the state level. fellow
        1. nils 13 January 2020 13: 29 New
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          The evolution of Putin's thought:
          2005: While I will be president, the retirement age will not rise.
          2015: You can’t raise the retirement age in Europe, they have longer life expectancy.
          2018: Europe has raised the retirement age, but we have not raised it since the 30s of the last century!
          1. prior 13 January 2020 16: 58 New
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            "The evolution of Putin's thought: ......"

            Being determines consciousness.
            The president has snickered and now lives in a different reality.
            1. Igor Polovodov 14 January 2020 08: 31 New
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              Why so rude! They will cancel the pension increase, right before the election ... well, or the pension itself in general ... depending on what effect is needed ...
      3. cradle 14 January 2020 08: 04 New
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        he admires me more than pension reform.
      4. smart ass 14 January 2020 11: 32 New
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        Yeah, the funniest thing is that I live in a 3-year-old house, and I pay a thorough repair)))
    3. kjhg 13 January 2020 08: 35 New
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      Quote: Cut Samshitov
      That is, according to the author, someone recently thought that Russia was a "social state"

      There are many of them today, judging by the president’s rating. Blessed ones believe everything that they broadcast from the box. Everything is clear with them. But what about the rest? Here once again among the "rest" there were not a few who believed that pension reform was forced and that it would benefit the people, although expert estimates said otherwise. Most of them, of course, immediately realized that they were BEATING again. They are robbed impudently, right after the elections, ignoring nothing, shamefully hiding behind the World Cup. This is about how you were “free” given a ticket to the sea or to the country house and, at the same time, they took out several times more goods from your house. Disgusting? Disgusting!
      1. Proxima 13 January 2020 10: 16 New
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        ROBET. Robbed insolent, right after the election, regardless of anything

        Pension "reform" is just flowers! Now they take up the disabled. You are aware that the disability law is being considered not on the basis of a diagnosis, but on the fact of a person’s condition. For instance, if a child affected by cerebral palsy walks less or less, then he will not be considered an invalid, with all the ensuing non-payment of benefits and lack of benefits! Abomination goes through the roof! I have already cited the example of hyena dogs that look after old and mutilated individuals, carry food for them, and so on. So these are animals! So, survived, now our government needs to learn humanity from animals !!!
        1. Lexus 13 January 2020 21: 39 New
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          He writes terrible things, and this, alas, is true.
          our government needs to learn humanity from animals !!!

          Our government has already jumped over all animals by inhumanity.
          And to study ... sorry, it is unlikely that such diplomas are on sale. hi
        2. Nikolai Grek 13 January 2020 21: 55 New
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          Quote: Proxima
          that the disability law is being considered not on the basis of a diagnosis, but on the fact of a person’s condition.

          the number of the law is possible and when it began to be considered in the State Duma ???
          1. Proxima 13 January 2020 22: 47 New
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            But to work hard to find yourself weak? A draft of this law is already being discussed with each iron.
            Quote: Nikolai Grek

            the number of the law is possible and when it began to be considered in the State Duma ???
            1. Nikolai Grek 14 January 2020 00: 27 New
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              Quote: Proxima
              But to work hard to find yourself weak?

              it is possible ... the current is doubtful that there is such a thing !! so I want a link from you, since you know exactly its number and when you started discussing it in the State Duma !! wassat or did you blurt out from the bulldozer, because here the comments are mainly in your style ??? laughing iiiiiii ... at your recommendation !!! belay

              In 2020, the process of assigning the status of “disabled person” will be simplified. Applicants for the group will not need to undergo an examination with all the specialists of the clinic. In addition, there is no need to collect documents and transmit them to the Bureau of Medical and Social Expertise (ITU). Plus, the government plans to translate medical documents into electronic format, introduce a new system by which it will be possible to appeal against ITU decisions, and also change form No. 088 / у-06. The bulk of these reforms will be implemented this year.

              Disability registration in 2020: new law https://doorinworld.ru/stati/poluchenie-invalidnosti-v-2019-godu-novyy-zakon
            2. Nikolai Grek 14 January 2020 18: 12 New
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              Quote: Proxima
              But to work hard to find yourself weak? A draft of this law is already being discussed with each iron.
              Quote: Nikolai Grek

              the number of the law is possible and when it began to be considered in the State Duma ???

              Well, what is there with your searches ???? repeat I’m looking, not only I was interested in your stuffing !!! wink
        3. cradle 14 January 2020 08: 13 New
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          and I read about the adopted law on perpetual disability
          https://iz.ru/730230/evgeniia-priemskaia/bessrochno-i-zaochno
          So who is lying? Izvestia and or are you? On you call liars. This is not a typo.
      2. Captain45 14 January 2020 03: 41 New
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        they are BEATED again. They are robbed impudently, right after the elections, ignoring nothing, shamefully hiding behind the World Cup.

        But in 1991 everyone was told that we would live as in the West. Now we live as the West and what to yell like victims. For that fought for it and ran. They wanted to. Who is to blame now? Oh yes. This is not me, this neighbor went-asked.
      3. Dmitry V. 14 January 2020 09: 29 New
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        Moreover, even before the pension reform, it was known that it would be carried out - the sonzeliky postponed it for a while until the elections were held.
        Pure pragmatism and deception of the population.
    4. bistrov. 13 January 2020 08: 50 New
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      Quote: Cut Samshitov
      that Russia is a "social state" ??

      Go to work, you’re used to living for free .. Loafers .... Maybe the USA or China, Europe are “social states”? Keep your pocket wide, hehe ....
      1. Ingvar 72 13 January 2020 09: 28 New
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        Quote: bistrov.
        Go to work, you’re used to living for free ..

        You know, one of my acquaintances, who is dangling for work in Europe, said that not only in one country in Europe they do not work as much as ours, and they don’t get as much as ours.
        1. Astronaut 13 January 2020 12: 49 New
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          They told you a lie, they pay more yes, but God forbid they also work hard!
          1. Ingvar 72 13 January 2020 16: 06 New
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            Quote: Astronaut
            inject God forbid!

            You did not work on the VAZ conveyor. bully
            1. Golovan Jack 13 January 2020 16: 13 New
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              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Quote: Astronaut
              inject God forbid!

              You did not work on the VAZ conveyor. bully

              You did not work on a piece of iron in Norilsk ... a construction battalion, with a bias in economists ...
        2. Golovan Jack 13 January 2020 16: 14 New
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          Quote: Ingvar 72
          one of my acquaintances, who is dangling for work in Europe, said

          Wife or something?

          Where did you get such friendsIgorek? Tell me, that's purely for fun ... you can in English - to me - exactly laughing laughing

          Until you introduce me - let this be considered your usual trepidation request
          1. Ingvar 72 13 January 2020 16: 41 New
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            I’m kind of a side that local trolls consider. wink
            1. Golovan Jack 13 January 2020 20: 39 New
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              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Until you introduce me - let this be considered your usual trepidation

              Quote: Ingvar 72
              I’m kind of a side that local trolls think

              I somehow exactly what a particular local pinned troll thinks.

              My friend, from your submission to me five ancestors arrived on New Year's Eve.

              Yes, OK. Live on, fat in the internet ... nothing else somehow develops ... yes, no, Igor? wink
              1. Ingvar 72 14 January 2020 10: 00 New
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                Quote: Golovan Jack
                My friend, from your submission to me five ancestors arrived on New Year's Eve.

                Why not blame the mirror, since the mug is crooked. This is a saying, not an insult. wink
                And not from my previous submission - I, unlike you, do not write complaints to the administration.
          2. Dmitry V. 14 January 2020 09: 36 New
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            My friend and wife left in 2003 for permanent residence in Germany.
            At first it was not easy - they lived on an allowance of 600 Euros.
            But in the end, they found a job and live quite well - they bought a car on credit 0% (VW share), they built their own house on credit 250000 Euros (credit 2,4%).
            They come to visit the Russian Federation - they complain that it’s not easy for them, but! - never wanted to stay in Russia :))
        3. Nikolai Grek 13 January 2020 21: 58 New
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          Quote: Ingvar 72
          which dangles for work in Europe,

          toilets are scuffing ??? laughing
          1. Golovan Jack 13 January 2020 22: 03 New
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            Quote: Nikolai Grek
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            which dangles for work in Europe,

            toilets are scuffing ??? laughing

            Oh, yes, by the way ... judging by the fact that we have Ingvar as a specialist in plumbing (he invented a law degree, do not believe it) - a campaign familiar from this, ahem, caste ... well, then that's it pain less laughing
            1. Nikolai Grek 14 January 2020 00: 21 New
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              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Quote: Nikolai Grek
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              which dangles for work in Europe,

              toilets are scuffing ??? laughing

              Oh, yes, by the way ... judging by the fact that we have Ingvar as a specialist in plumbing (he invented a law degree, do not believe it) - a campaign familiar from this, ahem, caste ... well, then that's it pain less laughing

              someone from them "darts around Europe", and wrestlers with a clutch on the last coupons for tyrnet will revolutionize here !!! wassat
            2. Terenin 14 January 2020 16: 53 New
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              Quote: Golovan Jack
              ... that dangles for work in Europe,

              Well if Dangle, it’s - to swing, shake, move from side to side ... then, of course - Ukraine is tse Europe yes
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        1. About 2 13 January 2020 14: 56 New
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          He's a fool of government calling.
        2. balunn 13 January 2020 17: 05 New
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          "into business" (c) DAM wink
          And on the topic, some simply do not understand that in Moscow beyond another life
        3. Golovan Jack 13 January 2020 20: 41 New
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          Where to go?

          Volodya ... but where they take it - there and go.

          And they take it - according to knowledge-skills. The little devil, who was worth like me, for half a year now it’s worth five times as much)))

          Make fun of it - I’m not a cheap rabsila even once ... like this happens request
          1. Mordvin 3 13 January 2020 20: 44 New
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            Quote: Golovan Jack
            I'm not a cheap rabsila even once ... that's how it happens

            All non-rubber will not meet. And I was there.
            1. Golovan Jack 13 January 2020 20: 50 New
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              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              All non-rubber will not meet. And I was there

              He is working in Ryazan right now. Where are the mushrooms with eyes. Himself - from Kolomna. Ate? wink

              I'm talking about the hell, which costs half a month right now ... well, so it turned out request
              1. Mordvin 3 13 January 2020 20: 58 New
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                Where are the mushrooms with eyes. Ate?

                Well, if you can even call them, then you won’t be shaken ... They foresaw them, with one rzhach ... crying
                1. Golovan Jack 13 January 2020 21: 08 New
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                  then it doesn’t shake you ... Predmoskali, with one laugh ..

                  Ummm ... Volodya, a short essay on the topic of you, since you hurt me:

                  - Your phrase “I was fine in the 90s” made you a local celebrity. Personally, I was in the 90s (and I’m older, you remember) - it wasn’t good. It was necessary to survive the family - the family survived, zero losses.

                  - your nagging on the topic "no work" - I just gave you an example. Yes, this is a pro (not much stronger than me, by the way), yes, he was a little lucky, yes, his job now is extreme extreme ... grab bags, the station leaves.

                  But the guy, not much younger than me, grabbed his teeth and drags. This job. Because they called - it was him ...

                  But for some reason they didn’t call you there ... guess three times - and why? wink
                  1. Mordvin 3 13 January 2020 21: 35 New
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                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    But for some reason they didn’t call you there ... guess three times - why?

                    Maybe because I'm so kind, huh? As one director asked, poking at the receiver with his finger: "And what is this?" Well, while they didn’t explain to him with matyugs, they hid me away.
                    1. Golovan Jack 13 January 2020 21: 49 New
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                      Quote: mordvin xnumx
                      Maybe because I'm so kind, huh?

                      No, brother. Because you settled on what was good for you in the 90s.

                      And then someone, in the 90s, not only traded in the market, but also studied. In your free time from the market, figure it out? And to one of them even lucky learn what you need here and now.

                      And what made you feel good in the 90s is now in any garage cooperative. Personally, I am a “mechanic of a mafia” - a tech pilot with shoulder straps of a lieutenant colonel; they hang on a wall in a garage. The guy - gold, knows how - everything, he will never take the extra ruble, verified.

                      To introduce? Although he has enough helpers request
                      1. Mordvin 3 13 January 2020 22: 39 New
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                        Because you settled on what was good for you in the 90s.

                        Not in this case.
                        Somehow they lead me to jail: "Vova! And you feel good here ..."
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                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        Somehow they lead me to jail: "Vova! And you feel good here ..."

                        When drunk, this does not happen. Volodya, it's good to flame. What I said, you understood, and parted on this. Hop? wink laughing
                      3. Mordvin 3 13 January 2020 22: 53 New
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                        What i said did you understand

                        But what about. My sister, a Muscovite, wept like that: "Oye ... that so little money was given ... crying "And she received three times more than me. So think.
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                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        My sister, a Muscovite, somehow cried: "Oy ... that so little money was given ..." But she received three times as much as me

                        So. How much does it cost her to live? The question is precisely in this, and not in "how much she received" fool

                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        So think

                        There is nothing to think about, no information for comparison ...

                        Give you my phone, chtol ... damn it, the flame is frankly ... all against wool rules request
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                        So. How much does it cost her to live? The question is precisely in this, and not in "how much she received"

                        No, really. The question is how much it will take out. But it turned out that a lot ...
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                      7. Golovan Jack 13 January 2020 23: 20 New
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                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        The question is how much will it take

                        This is far from the topic. Catch a knife:



                        What do you think? This is a serial product, certified ... I love a little higher than the chatter on the site)))

                        I have one. And not only her. I have love - I belong to them, I belong)))

                        Suggest something more interesting - well, maybe we’ll talk ... somehow, Volodya hi
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                        Go to the Nozhevoy website there is a lot of interesting
                      9. Mordvin 3 14 January 2020 06: 11 New
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                        What do you think? This is a serial product,

                        Cherry. Plastic rubbish. Replace the handle. For sea buckthorn, for example. Cut, dries on the mezzanine.
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                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        Replace the handle. For sea buckthorn, for example

                        Sea buckthorn - good in jam, about a knife - I will not say, I have not seen.

                        I have an apple tree in this regard, my favorite tree. Well, if you don’t go for exotic, of course.
                      11. Mordvin 3 14 January 2020 07: 56 New
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                        I have an apple tree in this regard, my favorite tree. Well, if you don’t go for exotic, of course.

                        A pear is better. yes
                      12. Golovan Jack 14 January 2020 08: 16 New
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                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        A pear is better

                        And ebony is even better.

                        Quote: Anecdote based on Krylov, Georgian flavor
                        - Raven, what are you sitting here ... well, give me the sire!
                        - Fox, and you ebony - you know?
                        - Nat ...
                        - Well, then go to ... his mother
                      13. Cormorants 14 January 2020 08: 27 New
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                        A populist article. Where are the facts, where is the information that pension reform is a failure, etc. There are no concrete arguments. I do not want to say that our state is perfect, but why there are no concrete arguments.
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                        Quote: Cormorants
                        Cormorants

                        Maxim, why did you tell me that?

                        For six years on the site - is it possible, probably, to properly position your comments, ahem,? wink
  • Nikolai Grek 13 January 2020 22: 00 New
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    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote: bistrov.
    Go to work, you’re used to living for free .. Loafers ....

    Hey, you fool, with me 4 enterprises closed where I worked. Where to go?

    you have to go to church ... as an alternative, you can buy a lottery ticket !!! with your then apron !! wink lol

    PS ... let's look at the objectivity of the moderators, and through the lope you and another one under you with insults, will be banned !!! what
    1. Mordvin 3 13 January 2020 22: 44 New
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      you have to go to church ...

      Yeah. They buried a friend like that. So while the priest did not give a stack of dough, he did not begin to wave a censer.
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        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Quote: Nikolai Grek
        you have to go to church ...

        Yeah. They buried a friend like that. So while the priest did not give a stack of dough, he did not begin to wave a censer.

        you have enough legends for comments on another 100500 articles that will have nothing to do with the military sphere !!! wassat
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          Quote: Nikolai Grek
          you have enough legends for comments on another 100500 articles that will have nothing to do with the military sphere !!!

          And to the military there. What do you need? How did the military commissar force me to do my seven, otherwise in the second round in the army?
  • victor50 14 January 2020 19: 01 New
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    Quote: bistrov.
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    that Russia is a "social state" ??

    Go to work, you’re used to living for free .. Loafers .....

    Take it ?! wink And then they don’t take anywhere for three months ... request
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    about is, according to the author, someone recently thought that Russia is a "social state" ?? At least one fact since 1991 allowed this to be done?

    You can’t live under capitalism, but think that we are living under socialism.
    1. SRC P-15 13 January 2020 09: 11 New
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      In our country, this capitalism does not smell. This is some kind of perverted capitalism. Oh well, I'm not talking about that. Having settled at work, I went to a pension fund to remind them of my indexation of my pension. At the same time, I wanted to find out on what basis and how they calculated my pension. And then a surprise awaited me: it turns out that with my coefficient of 1,7, they counted only 1,2 to me! In our country, they say, throughout the country the coefficient is no higher than 1,2. Do you see such an order (well, with the exception of the Far North and regions equated to it). It turns out: no matter how you try to get more, the coefficient still lowers you to the ground. Here's how to explain it? Is it a social state? In a social state - i.e. in the USSR, the worker knew in advance what kind of pension he would have. And now: points, odds, years of survival, etc. And about points a separate pension! I asked an official in a pension fund how do you understand all this? She answered me: yes, we ourselves are confused in this. Here you have your earned pension!
      1. tihonmarine 13 January 2020 09: 39 New
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        Quote: SRC P-15
        In our country, this capitalism does not smell. This is some kind of perverted capitalism.

        But we were once taught that capitalism has an “animal face”.
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          And besides that they taught that the face of the enemy.
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        In our country, this capitalism does not smell.

        Yes, let’s tell us fairy tales about capitalism with a human face.
        1. Trotil42 13 January 2020 14: 19 New
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          I can tell you about Pol Pot ... who cut out half of the country for the idea ... Mao (huyvibiny and cultural revolution) ... Stalin .. here you are the names of the Great Communists who built socialism ..
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            Quote: Trotil42
            I can tell you about Pol Pot ... who cut out half of the country for the idea ... Mao (huyvibiny and cultural revolution) ... Stalin .. here you are the names of the Great Communists who built socialism ..

            Chot, you forgot about the two world wars to mention which your favorite capitalists organized. How many people were laid there? Do not remind?
            1. Trotil42 13 January 2020 18: 24 New
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              God, what nonsense ... you would remind about the feudal lords .. it was precisely in those days that the most perished ... the slave owners did not disappoint either ...
              Chot, you forgot about the two world wars to mention which your favorite capitalists organized. How many people were laid there? Do not remind?
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                God, what nonsense ... you would remind about the feudal lords .. it was precisely in those days that the most perished ... the slave owners did not disappoint either ...

                Don’t move out of topic there. I forgot how many more wars they spent with their own and the wrong hands in the 20th century and early 21? Forgot whose hands the war in Ukraine is doing? Demagogue horseradish. He has capitalism in white gloves. Yeah, head over heels in blood.
          2. tihonmarine 13 January 2020 16: 55 New
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            I can tell you about Pol Pot ... who cut out half of the country for the idea ... Mao (huyvibiny and cultural revolution)

            Well, you went over something here. Pol Pot, Bandera and Mao? These are different operas.
            1. Trotil42 13 January 2020 18: 19 New
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              Where about Bandera? recourse
              1. tihonmarine 13 January 2020 18: 50 New
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                Where about Bandera?

                In the same place as Polo Pot. They are brothers.
                1. Trotil42 13 January 2020 18: 53 New
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                  You are diagnosed ...
                  1. tihonmarine 13 January 2020 20: 33 New
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                    You are diagnosed ...

                    And I have no doubt.
      3. DNS-a42 13 January 2020 10: 49 New
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        It smells, it smells, the real, the most honest. The sooner you realize this, the easier it will be for you to live. There will be no other capitalism, this is the second reincarnation, and it is no different in essence from the first.
        1. Fan-fan 13 January 2020 18: 13 New
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          Well, maybe for the Communists vote, give them a second chance. These are already "baked", it is necessary to choose someone new.
      4. U-58 13 January 2020 15: 41 New
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        This is what ....
        Before retiring, I saw my colleagues odds 0,7; 1,25, 2,44; and I have 3,48.
        And the calculation went to 1,2 ...
    2. Trotil42 13 January 2020 09: 37 New
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      We have been living under socialism ... since 2016, according to the FAS, the state sector has been the basis of the Russian economy ... Financial is 80 percent ..
      1. tihonmarine 13 January 2020 09: 52 New
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        We have been living under socialism ... since 2016.

        In the presence of private property, socialism is canceled.
        1. Trotil42 13 January 2020 14: 14 New
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          Oh well?. Dear .. we lived under developed socialism ... there were no collective farms and cooperatives? And do not tell me where did your private homes go? Cooperative apartments for which money was paid and inherited?
          1. tihonmarine 13 January 2020 16: 45 New
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            Dear .. we lived under developed socialism ... there were no collective farms and cooperatives?

            As everything is started, read Marx, Lenin.
            1. Trotil42 13 January 2020 18: 39 New
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              There is no time to read nonsense .... as it seems to me the listed persons did not live up to socialism slightly? Or am I mistaken? More sedative ... Yes, and I do not like fiction ...
          2. DNS-a42 13 January 2020 20: 31 New
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            Collective farms and cooperatives are collective property.
            1. Trotil42 14 January 2020 07: 58 New
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              But is collective property not private? ... does it in fact not belong to the state? At all times there was a private sector and at home ...
              1. DNS-a42 14 January 2020 08: 12 New
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                Private houses are not means of production.
                For example, on a collective farm, the means of production belong to the state (mechanized equipment), and land is provided for free use by the state. The collective farm produces products, part of which is given to the state, and part remains in the ownership of the collective farm and is sold on the market.
                1. IS-80_RVGK2 14 January 2020 17: 39 New
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                  Quote: DNS-a42
                  Private houses are not means of production.

                  As far as I remember, not quite so. As long as the house is not used in profit, it is not a means of production.
                  Quote: DNS-a42
                  The collective farm produces products, part of which is given to the state, and part remains in the ownership of the collective farm and is sold on the market.

                  The collective farm by the way is an example of collective ownership, which is not public.
                  1. DNS-a42 15 January 2020 10: 36 New
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                    As far as I remember, not quite so. As long as the house is not used in profit, it is not a means of production.

                    I think you're right. As far as I understand, if a house is not involved in production activities, then it is not a means of production. If the house is rented out, then its owner simply claims for a part of the surplus value produced in the economy, which it receives in the form of rent.

                    But so far I have not found a final answer to this question.
      2. IS-80_RVGK2 13 January 2020 10: 09 New
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        We have been living under socialism ... since 2016, according to the FAS, the state sector has been the basis of the Russian economy ... Financial is 80 percent ..

        Not tired of lying? Or will you never get tired of a salary?
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          Is it possible to adequately express your thoughts? Or in Kashchenko strained with psychotropic?
          Or will you never get tired of a salary?
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            You can, I permit, express. laughing
            1. Trotil42 14 January 2020 08: 15 New
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              Dear take the pill ...
              1. IS-80_RVGK2 14 January 2020 09: 10 New
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                Dear take the pill ...

                Lie throw a pathological liar.
                1. Trotil42 14 January 2020 10: 18 New
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                  You’ll poke hamlo to your mom
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                    You’ll poke hamlo to your mom

                    Say thank you for the candelabrum did not receive for the pathological lies.
                    1. Trotil42 14 January 2020 13: 39 New
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                      Wipe snot for a start ... You are a respected diagnosis
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                      Wipe snot for a start ... You are a respected diagnosis

                      Let your mom wipe your snot, schoolboy.
                    3. Trotil42 14 January 2020 17: 39 New
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                      Yes, I’ll be older ... change the psychiatrist ... this one can’t cope ... read the ABC .. even you can’t write anymore .. missed case ..
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                      Yes, I will be older.

                      Does not look like it.
                      Quote: Trotil42
                      read the alphabet .. you can’t even write anymore .. missed case ..

                      Good advice for you. So far, even the alphabet you really lack intelligence.
  • DNS-a42 13 January 2020 10: 46 New
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    According to the IMF, the public sector is 33%. And even if there had been at least 100%, this situation would not have changed - property would be private, the economy would remain market, the system would be capitalistic.
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      Here you have a reference .... 70 port. occupies the state sector .. Horror ... it can not be market and capitalist .. there is no competition ...
      https://www.vedomosti.ru/economics/articles/2016/09/29/658959-goskompanii-kontroliruyut-ekonomiki
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        This report of some "anonymous" has already been refuted by everyone. Not tired of rushing with the rot?
        Market competition finds its natural result in monopolization. Competition between monopolies is also competition. And the competition that you dream of ended in the 19th century.
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          Read carefully ... this is the report of the FAS 2015. ... based on it, analytics is written ...
          Market competition finds its natural result in monopolization. Competition between monopolies is also competition. And the competition that you dream of ended in the 19th century.

          In order that this would not happen and there are antitrust services ...
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            The presence of antitrust services somehow did not prevent the formation of a transnational corporation. Now, tell me: why in the European Union is the civil aviation sector completely monopolized by the multinational Airbus? Where did the antitrust monitors look?

            Here, even a video was posted on the site, where this nonsense about 70% understood.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoAcbONuT9Q

            Advanced.
            Fake was voiced by the head of the FAS, a member of the Yabloko party, Igor Artemyev. According to him, it is stated that 70% of the country's GDP is created by the state.

            Assuming that the supporters of this fake are right, it turns out that 18% of state property creates 70% of the country's GDP. Which is in complete contradiction with the myth of inefficiency of state property.

            And if you look at Rosstat and find out the structure of Russia's GDP, it suddenly turns out that 52% of GDP is generated from household spending, i.e. our expenses with you. The state’s share is 18,5%.

            In abbreviated form taken from here: https://burckina-faso.livejournal.com/3658972.html
            1. Trotil42 14 January 2020 10: 50 New
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              And how do you like buying rotten assets (Binbank..Magnet..Opening..etc. For the amount of more than 2 trillion rubles last year) by state-owned banks at a price higher than the market (this is more than half of the defense budget)? And what in Europe did the Boeings stop flying? Well, Rosstat is generally a separate song .. the whole country remembers how it pulled up GDP last year (doubled growth over the week) ... Are you really sure that the financial sector is not state?
              Assuming that the supporters of this fake are right, it turns out that 18% of state property creates 70% of the country's GDP. Which is in complete contradiction with the myth of inefficiency of state property.

              You forgot the offshore ... Gazprom subsidiaries ... Rossneft .. etc ... which are not considered state. property since belong to offshore companies .. In fact it’s the state. monopolies are business stranglers ... nice to talk to ... hope to continue the debate .. hi
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                Just imagine, 28 states have created the world's second mega-corporation for the production of civil aviation - this is a supranational monopoly. And they did it in response to the American monopoly - Boeing, because not a single private person can compete with Boeing. Is this a competition? Yes, but competition of monopolies. The bottom line is that free market competition itself leads to such a result, and there is nothing wrong with this, it is a natural process of capital concentration.

                The fact is that Rosstat likes to change calculation methods, twisting the data in the right direction, only its data is still consistent with the data of the IMF and the World Bank. That is, no matter how he gets out, the overall picture does not change.

                State or not - it does not matter. I repeat, we have state. companies and private traders work on the market, focusing on maximizing profits. Even if the capitalist state has 100% of the assets, it will only mean that there is total domination of the state-capitalist sector. This will not be socialism.
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                  Of course, this is not socialism ... In the USSR they taught me political economy ... A lecturer (professor) said that. what is capitalism everyone knows ..... what is socialism, no one... by definition, socialism is a transitional stage ... and preserves the birthmarks of capitalism..including in the economy ... As for ... that the goal of capitalism is to maximize profit ... it’s not ... no beyond a monopoly, it will not be able to exist on the market (Boeing, Microsoft, etc.) competition will crush (for example, the IT sector) ... the goal of capitalism is to maximize customer satisfaction ... and create consumer sectors (often artificially) Just in this particular case of the Russian Federation .. presses tariffs and others. It is not at all obligatory to control the entire production sector through its shares .. for example .. RUSAL ... reduction of tariffs for electric power .. plus registration in offshore on Russky Island ... you want to say that the state does not control RUSSAL? He will die tomorrow if he plays by the rules. I believe that the country's problem lies precisely in the fact that the bureaucracy’s unlimited desire to control everything and get superprofits .. the gigantic revenues of officials confirm this ... ke soup monopoly .. officials ... respectfully .... and so on.
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                  This is certainly not socialism.

                  Well done. I had the courage to admit a lie.
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                  Quote: Trotil42
                  the goal of capitalism is to maximize customer satisfaction

                  And here again the nonsense went. You still say that the capitalists are entirely altruists.
                  Quote: Trotil42
                  I believe that the country's problem lies precisely in the fact that the bureaucracy’s desire to control everything and get superprofits is unlimited

                  But all the other capitalists do not want to receive superprofits? Already funny.
                  If tomorrow your small and medium-sized capitalists defeat the monopolies, it will just be entering another round. This is not progress; it is running on the spot.
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                  It’s harmful for you to argue ... obtaining superprofits is characteristic of thieves and our officials ... the capitalist invests in production and development ....
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                  obtaining superprofits is typical for thieves and our officials

                  Didn’t you bang your head there? With horseradish, will the capitalist make less profit if he can make more profit?
                  Quote: Trotil42
                  capitalist invests in production and development

                  Yes, yes, for the sake of the common good and I’m ready to take off my last shirt and give it to the good of society. You did not confuse the capitalist with an imaginary fairytale communist for an hour? With what side does production and development cancel the receipt of superprofits?
                  Quote: Trotil42
                  It’s harmful for you to reason ..

                  Yes, yes, I know from my reasoning, your mood deteriorates and the template breaks. But on the contrary, it is useful to reason with you. You see, the brains will begin to work for you. May be. laughing
            2. DNS-a42 14 January 2020 21: 25 New
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              that the goal of capitalism is to maximize profits ... this is not so ... no super monopoly can exist on the market (Boeing, Microsoft, etc.) the competition will crush (for example, the IT sector) ... the goal of capitalism is to maximize the satisfaction of requests consumer ... and the creation of consumption sectors (often artificially)

              Why can't? On the contrary. Any small / medium business is short-, medium-term. But a major player has a different situation:
              Firstly, a large company is able to invest in long-term projects that will bring profit in 5, 10 years. Private trader does not pull it.
              Secondly, the economies of scale: the cost of production from a large producer will always be less.
              Thirdly, banks are more likely to issue a major loan to some Apple than IE Vasily.
              Fourth, a large company can squeeze out competitors, lowering prices below cost, because it can afford to incur losses for a long time. Small business will close, and the monopolist will raise prices and beat back losses.

              No, it’s the maximum profit. If the goal was to satisfy the needs of society, then no one would try to gobble up each other, but on the contrary, would try to jointly bring benefits to people.

              But we see in many examples that various products that cannot be sold, but that are required by people, are destroyed. There is a representative UN report that says that about 20-25% of food is simply thrown away, because they could not be sold. At the same time, hunger is still rampant.

              Quote: Trotil42
              I believe that the country's problem lies precisely in the fact that the bureaucracy’s unlimited desire to control everything and get superprofits .. the gigantic revenues of officials confirm this ... a monopoly is created in the tip of the soup .. officials ... with respect .... and so on .

              Usually, under the guise of "managers", ordinary capitalists are hiding, who disguise their profits against wages. The bureaucracy does not exist in a vacuum, it is firmly fused with big business and feeds its interests.
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              But we see many examples

              That's it. The deterioration of the quality of things in the pursuit of profit. Stimulating overconsumption. And other interesting things.
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  • About 2 14 January 2020 02: 46 New
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    Dear, we do not live under socialism but under bastardism
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      I strongly agree with you .. hi
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    I wanted to provide you with quotes from the Annual Address of the President of the Russian Federation to the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation for review.
    But then changed his mind.
    By reading such "right" words. imbued with care for the elderly, for youth, for the many national and many religious diversity of our country, that people are the highest value and the most significant resource on which and with the help of which we (Russia) can rely and make a breakthrough ...
    Well, etc.
    When you read or listen to (which I have not done for the last 10 years) the speeches of our guarantor, there is a steady feeling of nausea.
    Further, uncontrolled emotions and non-normative vocabulary can go.
    I will stop.

    So you, dear, do not be lazy and read ALL messages.
    In EVERYONE the same thing is the state’s concern for the people.

    I will complete.
    In the morning I smear a sandwich - Immediately thought: what about the people?
    And the caviar does not go into the throat, And the compote does not pour into the mouth!
    At night I get up at the window And stand all night without sleep
    All worried about Rasea, How is it, poor, is she?
  • Vend 13 January 2020 10: 33 New
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    And no one claimed that modern Russia is the USSR. Why did the author get this?
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    That is, according to the author, someone recently thought that Russia is a "social state" ?? At least one fact since 1991 allowed this to be done ???

    I recently read Malyshev at AIF (well, heard about this du ...)
    Last year, she said so .. "Women in Russia will retire as early as 55 and then another 40 years will receive a pension ..
    You need to do something about it .. "
    That’s exactly what she said bespectacled, I’m shocked .. Here it is the liberal media and there has been a wave like pensioners live well and for a long time. Etc. pah damn ..
    And how many men live?
  • apro 13 January 2020 07: 40 New
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    Well, finally ... 30 years have passed and just now they noticed ... that capitalism is in the yard.
    Officials constantly say to the Russian that the state owes you nothing. Now it has begun to reach but what can be changed? Election? Not funny ..
    1. antivirus 13 January 2020 08: 19 New
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      Output? Alas, there is no way out today. I can’t even imagine the event that should happen in order for the consciousness of the people to change.
      -TAKE THE ADVANCED SOCIAL SECURITY SYSTEM IN THE WEST - FRANCE FOR EXAMPLE, TOGETHER WITH ADVISERS AND DO NOT STAY AWAY FROM IT 20-30 YEARS. bend into the ram’s horn of their “geniuses of reform” - then you can live
      1. hhhhhhh 13 January 2020 08: 25 New
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        Unions of France are not against this system tyranny for several months France?
        Another "over the hill such pumpkins."
        1. antivirus 13 January 2020 08: 31 New
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          we are at our level of development - it will already be good for everyone, then even better
          I don’t know the nuances of the pension system in France, but there was enough for everyone there, for now.
          THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE PENS SYSTEM IS THE LONGEST REFORM PLAN OR SIMPLY LIFE OF GOS-VA, FOR 20-40 YEARS (while a worker is working and waiting for a pension. Let him not from 20 years old to 60-65 years old, but from the 30th when he got enough mind) - and change it is impossible if started.
          The Russian Federation is changing on the go "shoes" every 5-10 years
        2. Stirbjorn 13 January 2020 09: 30 New
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          Quote: hhhhhhh
          Unions of France are not against this system tyranny for several months France?

          And here is the result of the work of trade unions and citizens of France .. "Do you want like in Paris?" (C)
          Moscow. January 11th. INTERFAX.RU - French Prime Minister Edouard Philippe addressed the unions with a letter stating his readiness to temporarily remove from the pension reform plan a clause on raising the retirement age from 62 to 64 in 2027.
          1. hhhhhhh 13 January 2020 09: 44 New
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            Temporarily, then they’ll cancel it anyway. There is no USSR, and we want to point with a finger as they have no where.
            Will be canceled in a couple of years, when activists are transplanted.
        3. Varyag71 13 January 2020 12: 47 New
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          already in the news it says that the French authorities refused to raise the retirement age
          1. hhhhhhh 13 January 2020 18: 56 New
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            Today they refused, tomorrow they will cancel. For new generations they will do the right thing for capitalism.
      2. kjhg 13 January 2020 08: 40 New
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        Quote: antivirus
        Alas, there is no way out today. I can’t even imagine the event that should happen in order for the consciousness of the people to change.

        For today, I agree, there is no way out. Through elections, they will not be allowed to change power. But there is hope. This is the hope of today's youth. Those who were born and raised under Putin. She treats him sharply negatively. That's when their mass reaches a critical maximum, then everything will happen. How many more years will it take? I don’t know, 10-15 years. But this will inevitably happen.
        1. tihonmarine 13 January 2020 08: 59 New
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          Quote: kjhg
          Through elections, they will not be allowed to change power.

          Here I agree with you "They won’t give"!
          1. Fan-fan 13 January 2020 18: 41 New
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            But why? After all, it turned out in the Moscow City Duma to choose independent candidates, although not enough, but there is a beginning, and they won against United Russia. They heard about Navalny’s “smart vote”, this is his merit, although the authorities are intensely creating a negative image for him.
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              After all, it turned out to choose independent candidates at the Moscow City Duma,

              And do you believe that?
              1. Fan-fan 13 January 2020 19: 00 New
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                Here: "Opposition candidates will receive 20 out of 45 seats in the Moscow City Duma. Moscow. September 9. INTERFAX.RU"
                Of course, the majority is back to edrom, but the process has begun.
                1. tihonmarine 13 January 2020 20: 36 New
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                  Of course, the majority is back to edrom, but the process has begun.

                  And where did that process go? In the direction of the opposition?
            2. hhhhhhh 13 January 2020 18: 57 New
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              Bulk thief, why will he take care of you? Navalny only cares about himself.
              1. Fan-fan 13 January 2020 19: 03 New
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                There is no need to spread gossip; if he were a thief, he would be in prison. It is beneficial for the authorities to create a negative image for him, and you believe, is it possible to believe the bourgeois?
                1. hhhhhhh 13 January 2020 19: 27 New
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                  A court decision is not a court decision for you?
                  Stole drunk in jail.
                  Stole drunk in jail. Life for theft is not given.
                  Bulk wiser. He now spends with his comrades, and they can only be amazed at how donations voluntarily diverge. How can you steal voluntarily daden.)))
                2. tihonmarine 13 January 2020 20: 39 New
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                  There is no need to spread gossip; if he were a thief, he would be in prison.

                  Our authorities are soft-bodied; under normal power, a forest would have felled long ago in Kara Kumah.
            3. Nikolai Grek 13 January 2020 22: 25 New
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              Quote: Fan-Fan
              But why? After all, it turned out in the Moscow City Duma to choose independent candidates, although not enough, but there is a beginning, and they won against United Russia. They heard about Navalny’s “smart vote”, this is his merit, although the authorities are intensely creating a negative image for him.

              and what can they offer such a radical opposition ??? what stop ennobling Moscow ?? laughing this level of legislative power does not have a special role in Russian realities !!! or did you like the actions of a yashin who decided to fight events in honor of May 9 ??? fool Well, for your general enlightenment !!! wink

              Political scientist: Moscow City Duma deputies supported by Navalny vote in elections as party in power
              https://vz.ru/news/2019/11/27/247334.html
        2. bar
          bar 13 January 2020 09: 21 New
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          That's when their mass reaches a critical maximum, then everything will happen

          What will happen then? Another "to the bottom, and then ..."? So that the next generation sadly recalled the time of the next "stagnation" sitting on the ruins after the next "perestroika"?
          1. IS-80_RVGK2 13 January 2020 10: 22 New
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            Quote: bar
            What will happen then? Another "to the bottom, and then ..."? So that the next generation sadly recalled the time of the next "stagnation" sitting on the ruins after the next "perestroika"?

            And what to do? Your suggestions.
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              bar 13 January 2020 10: 57 New
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              And what to do? Your suggestions.

              I have no suggestions for the reason:
              1 - I’m smart enough not to make stupid sentences
              2 - I do not have enough mind for smart offers
              3 - I do not have enough scale of my personality, so that even someone clever of my proposals heard.
              But I still have enough life wisdom to understand - REVolunteers have never benefited society in history, the future is Эby volition.
              1. IS-80_RVGK2 13 January 2020 11: 14 New
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                But I still have enough life wisdom to understand - Revolutions in history have never benefited society, the future is for Evolution.

                They actually brought it. Sucks you with wisdom. But apparently the noodles on the ears hang well.
                1. bar
                  bar 13 January 2020 11: 16 New
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                  It would be nice to give examples before being rude to a stranger. Moreover, I already have a warning and I can answer you the same unfortunately for now
                  1. IS-80_RVGK2 13 January 2020 11: 32 New
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                    Quote: bar
                    It would be nice to give examples before being rude to a stranger.

                    Do you have a deuce in history? World history textbooks smoked? Or maybe you basically hate the story?
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                      bar 13 January 2020 11: 48 New
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                      Do you have such a manner from birth - answer a question with a question and be rude?
                      I am waiting for a reasoned answer from a true revolutionary.
                      What revolution led to the happiness and prosperity of the people who committed it?
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                        Quote: bar
                        What revolution led to the happiness and prosperity of the people who committed it?

                        Britain, France, the Netherlands, Germany, the USSR and so on.
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                        bar 13 January 2020 12: 19 New
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                        Britain, where is the queen still? France, where the guillotine head was chopped and Napoleon appeared as a result? Germany, where did Hitler come after the Weimar Republic? USSR, where, as a result of a putsch, a pack of Yeltsin came to power? Or are you talking about Russia with the Civil War and 11 million dead?
                        You have interesting ideas about the happiness and prosperity of the people
                      3. IS-80_RVGK2 13 January 2020 12: 32 New
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                        Quote: bar
                        Britain, where is the queen still?

                        So what? Do you want some pure reference capitalism from Britain? Well it doesn’t happen. There are always remnants of the past. In general, ideal systems do not exist.
                        Quote: bar
                        France, where the guillotine head was chopped and Napoleon appeared as a result?

                        Only? The struggle of the bourgeoisie for power does not enter here in any way, and as a result, the industrial upsurge?
                        Quote: bar
                        Germany, where did Hitler come after the Weimar Republic?

                        So what? Was there anything good in Germany besides Hitler?
                        Quote: bar
                        USSR, where, as a result of a putsch, a pack of Yeltsin came to power?

                        By the way, you are living quite well right now thanks to this revolution.
                        Quote: bar
                        Or are you talking about Russia with the Civil War and 11 million dead?

                        And this one too.
                        Quote: bar
                        You have interesting ideas about the happiness and prosperity of the people

                        This is your spherical representation of infantile in a vacuum. But in reality, the new always makes its way through the struggle. It is in your universe with rainbows and unicorns that comes Vasily Pupkin and offers - "And let's live differently!" And all joyfully agree with him. But in reality - the camel has two humps because life is a struggle.
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                        bar 13 January 2020 12: 36 New
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                        Enchanting! How much garbage can fit in an ordinary head. Here the revolutionary impulse, and faith in the bourgeoisie, are all mixed up.
                        Have you accidentally taught political economy or scientific communism? laughing
                        There is nothing to even object, for it is useless.
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                        Quote: bar
                        How much garbage can fit in an ordinary head.

                        It's not my fault that you have shit with intelligence.
                        Quote: bar
                        Here the revolutionary impulse, and faith in the bourgeoisie, are all mixed up.

                        Am I watching a tantrum from an infantile fighter in revolutions?
                        Quote: bar
                        Have you accidentally taught political economy or scientific communism?

                        It would be useful for you to read, to get rid of children's illusions with pink ponies and butterflies.
                        Quote: bar
                        There is nothing to even object, for it is useless.

                        It is useless. Because there is nothing.
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                        bar 13 January 2020 12: 49 New
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                        It is useless. Because there is nothing.

                        It’s just that the words of the censorship aren’t enough, and for the obscene I already have a warning. But I especially liked the fresh thought about the Yeltsin putsch, thanks to which we now live so happily. Grants from the Yeltsin Center are not fed? laughing
                        After that, ask why you need another revolution, since everything is so cool, even uncomfortable. I'm not a psychiatrist after all.
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                        It’s just that the words of the censorship aren’t enough, and for obscene words the warning is already hanging. But awesome to me

                        Here you are strange. At first, he admitted that he was not very smart, and then he began to claim intelligence. And here you have it all, as patriots, adherents of the right capitalism. Zero logic some cheap show-offs.
                      8. IS-80_RVGK2 13 January 2020 13: 47 New
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                        Quote: bar
                        But I especially liked the fresh thought about the Yeltsin putsch, thanks to which we now live so happily. Grants from the Yeltsin Center are not fed?

                        It is thanks to the Yeltsin counter-revolution. Is it really that hard to understand? He turned the country on the capitalist path. The way he turned for it certainly a separate inexpressible gratitude. It is a pity that it is impossible to resurrect and execute him ten times. Nevertheless, this path led us to where we are now.
                        Quote: bar
                        After that, ask why you need another revolution, since everything is so cool, even uncomfortable.

                        Don’t be afraid, ask. You learn new and interesting things for yourself. The truth is very commonplace. But who is to blame that everything is so tight, even the simplest, comes to you.
                  2. Astronaut 13 January 2020 13: 00 New
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                    What do you want from the "Pepsi generation" is even hard to argue, because it contradicts itself through the word, do not waste energy on this garbage)
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              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              Britain, France, Netherlands, Germany, USSR

              Wildly sorry. And what kind of revolution is this in the USSR?
              In the days of the USSR there was only one revolution, 1991. There was still a revolution of March 1917 in Russia, but this is not the time of the USSR.
              However, the 1991 revolution of the USSR destroyed. What kind of USSR was happiness and prosperity from it?
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              bar 13 January 2020 14: 25 New
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              Now and you naughty. Don’t mess, everything is very bad there.
            4. IS-80_RVGK2 13 January 2020 15: 50 New
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              Go learn lessons fighter with revolutions.
      3. IS-80_RVGK2 13 January 2020 12: 17 New
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        I am waiting for a reasoned answer from a true revolutionary.

        I don’t have to explain the truths to you, cut yourself on the nose. And I'm not going to wipe the snot from the spoon and wipe it. If smart yourself you understand no so your problems.
      4. bar
        bar 13 January 2020 12: 26 New
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        Are we already on you? However...
        Of course, I’m not obliged to explain, but since I started the discussion myself, I would like arguments, not rudeness.
        But still I advise you to read the story, and not just the headlines.
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        But still I advise you to read the story, and not just the headlines.

        Written by the same infantile adepts of white gloves like you?
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        Do you have an alternative story written with dirty hands in shit and bloodthirsty?
  • hhhhhhh 13 January 2020 09: 46 New
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    "For today, I agree, there is no way out." - The solution is not to change Putin, but to change course.
    "That's when their mass reaches a critical maximum, then everything will happen." - choose a clown from a comedy club. Do you dream about it?
  • Ingvar 72 13 January 2020 09: 31 New
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    Quote: antivirus
    Alas, there is no way out today.

    There is always a way out.
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      bar 13 January 2020 11: 31 New
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      There is always a way out.

      But sometimes it’s only through the anus sad
      1. Ingvar 72 13 January 2020 12: 27 New
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        But sometimes it’s only through the anus

        Only in two cases - if you are a waste product, or a helminth. wink
    2. Astronaut 13 January 2020 13: 02 New
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      There is always a way out.

      This is a philosophical saying; in practice, it does not always work. True, if "adaptation to circumstances" can be called an exit, then it always is))
      1. Ingvar 72 13 January 2020 16: 03 New
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        Fixture is the same way out. request Someone happy, someone not. The hero of the film Escape from the Shawshank crawled hundreds of meters through the sewers. Someone would prefer to stay in the cell. request
        1. Astronaut 14 January 2020 12: 40 New
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          Wrong example, he had a choice
          1. Ingvar 72 14 January 2020 18: 40 New
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            he had a choice

            Yes, serve the whole term. I already said that there is always a way out (or a choice). request
  • tihonmarine 13 January 2020 09: 41 New
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    bend into the ram’s horn of their “geniuses of reform” - then you can live

    Will the IMF give?
  • Nikolai Grek 13 January 2020 22: 14 New
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    TAKE A WESTERN SOCIAL SECURITY SYSTEM IN THE WEST - FRANCE FOR EXAMPLE,

    take ... and sit with her in France !!! the runoff of years has passed since the collapse of the USSR, and everyone believes in fairy tales !!! fool lol
    1. antivirus 13 January 2020 22: 33 New
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      hope for the best, and get ready for the worst
  • Starover_Z 13 January 2020 08: 46 New
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    But there was still a hope in the minds of people that the government would correct its decisions and the sharp corners would disappear.

    Quote: apro
    Well, finally ... 30 years have passed and just now they noticed ... that capitalism is in the yard.
    Officials constantly say to the Russian that the state owes you nothing. Now it has begun to reach but what can be changed?

    Officials are changing, for themselves. If I read it correctly the other day, then under the privatization is a company like Almazexport! And this is how and why ?! State-owned company selling diamonds abroad is not beneficial to the state ?! Or bureaucrats are preparing themselves warm places for their retirement ?! Generally horror!
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      Just, IMHO, they feel a close end and try to steal everything that’s not yet stolen by Yeltsin’s pack ....
      1. Fan-fan 13 January 2020 19: 05 New
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        Exactly, they feel the end, therefore they steal with enhanced energy.
    2. tihonmarine 13 January 2020 09: 44 New
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      Quote: Starover_Z
      State-owned company selling diamonds abroad is not beneficial to the state ?! Or bureaucrats are preparing themselves warm places for their retirement ?! Generally horror!

      Look deeper. Who orders music, he dances with the bride.
      1. Old Michael 13 January 2020 16: 15 New
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        "A company like Almazexport is under privatization! And how and why?!"
        Not only the state funds, but also the wallets of billionaires are filled in full. investing abroad has become bogus - squeeze at times. This means that they will grab the most delicious pieces of Russian state property.
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      Rostelecom, Grain Company, Sovkoflot and other companies ... We have nothing! will not remain, except for our life.
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  • Trotil42 13 January 2020 09: 42 New
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    Why capitalism? Bullshit ... the basis of the public sector ... read the reports of the Federal Antimonopoly Service ... we have a type of market ........ a model of the slobbering Gaidar and the CIA ...
  • New Year day 13 January 2020 16: 11 New
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    ..that capitalism is in the yard.

    no, feudalism. Before capitalism, as before Kiev cancer

    as Zhirik says, serfs, slaves ..
  • Nikolai Grek 13 January 2020 22: 12 New
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    Officials constantly speak Russian that the state owes you nothing

    at the same time, in a strange way, most of all is laid down in the budget for social policy ... and this does not take into account other articles, as well as expenses of the budgets of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation !!! wink
  • Van 16 13 January 2020 07: 49 New
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    The cannibal reform. Even against the background of everything else. Personally, I will never forgive her.
    1. Cyrus 13 January 2020 08: 00 New
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      Well, in 1991 it was necessary not to stand in line at McDonald's, but to defend the state, but you chose the McDuck and "freedom", so do not forgive yourself and your parents.
      1. Van 16 13 January 2020 08: 29 New
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        At McDonald's was twice in a lifetime, did not like. Do not touch my parents, they both worked from 16 to 65 and did not sit in offices, but worked in factories.
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          Did you like capitalism?
        2. tihonmarine 13 January 2020 09: 45 New
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          Quote: Van 16
          At McDonald's was twice in a lifetime, did not like.

          Well, who will like it?
      2. 72jora72 13 January 2020 09: 42 New
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        Well, in 1991 it was necessary not to stand in line at McDonald's, but to defend the state, but you chose the McDuck and "freedom", so do not forgive yourself and your parents.
        I have never been to McDonald's, I decided not to go in 1991, when the Americans, after the outbreak of the war in Iraq, made visiting McDonald's free of charge to raise their image.
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      I will not forgive, and I will not vote for such a leadership of my state anymore.
    3. tihonmarine 13 January 2020 09: 00 New
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      Quote: Van 16
      The cannibal reform.

      And who imposed this reform?
      1. Van 16 13 January 2020 09: 33 New
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        Those who do not need a pension at all, or accrued under another law. Specifically - Medvedev, Putin, Matvienko, Volodin, EP, and another company.
  • Sergey39 13 January 2020 07: 55 New
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    Tomorrow we will hear what the president thinks about this.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 January 2020 07: 59 New
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      I honestly do not care what he thinks. Cause I see what he does
      1. bessmertniy 13 January 2020 08: 30 New
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        You see what he does! And for some reason I don’t see this. request I’ll be blind. winked
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 January 2020 09: 35 New
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          Can't you see pension reform? :)
        2. Ingvar 72 13 January 2020 09: 36 New
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          And for some reason I don’t see this.

          Why don't you see? Everything is very clear, a systematic and meticulous work is underway to turn Russia into a garbage pit, incapable of supplying anything else. The results of this work are more noticeable every year. hi
        3. Mordvin 3 13 January 2020 13: 21 New
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          You see what he does! And for some reason I don’t see this. I’ll be blind.

          So put on your glasses. And compare. It turns out that even in the middle of the noughties it was several times better (in the sense of social sphere).
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      Tomorrow we will hear what the president thinks about this.

      Once again, the question will blabber. Again blame the USSR, WWII and more. Of course, it was under him that all pension reforms were failed, he certainly will not say. He is good. It is all bad around him, but he is good ... It’s a pity, you can’t call him who he really is. Admins banned.
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      We know what he thinks. He personally pushed her.
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      We will not hear what he thinks, but what he will say.
  • bessmertniy 13 January 2020 07: 56 New
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    It is possible that for Russia one day it is necessary to carry out a real pension reform instead of the one that was imposed on people today. This can be done relatively simply. It is necessary to determine the pension merits of all citizens - working and retired by the same points. To divide all pension accumulations into these points and according to the labor contribution of each - to determine and open personal pension bank deposits. And on this, further enable people to pursue for themselves the pension policy that they want, but of course, within the framework of what they deserve. It is enough for the state to leave only social pensions. Such a reform will allow throwing out a bunch of parasites from the Pension Fund, which serve pensioners, and freeing up many of the premises and buildings that are also hanging today with additional burdens on pensions. hi
    1. atalef 13 January 2020 08: 08 New
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      Quote: bessmertniy
      And on this, further enable people to pursue for themselves the pension policy that they want, but of course, within the framework of what they deserve.

      Quote: bessmertniy
      . And on this, further enable people to pursue for themselves the pension policy that they want, but of course, within the framework of what they deserve.

      What is it like ?
      The first question is whether a pensioner has the right to withdraw all the money in his pension account at once.
      2. In the event of death, who is entitled to the remainder of the money and in what percentage of the total
      3. If the pensioner lives much more than the average age allocated to him by the pension fund and the money is over - then what?
    2. Ross xnumx 13 January 2020 08: 17 New
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      It is possible that for Russia one day it is necessary to carry out a real pension reform instead of the one that was imposed on people today.

      good
      The only thing that is impossible now is to carry out the pension reform soon. I liked your thought:
      It is enough for the state to leave only social pensions.

      I would supplement it only with the fact that the amount of social benefits due to old age (after the adoption of such a reform) should be regulated only by seniority (everyone receives (should receive) for their professional activity in accordance with personal returns, demand and professionalism.
      In the transition period, pensions should be indexed for a fixed supplement and only to those whose pension does not exceed the average wage in Russia. All this is determined annually, before the provisions of the new reform come into force.
      And the rest - in banks for retirement savings or in the "capsule" under the mattress ...
      1. bessmertniy 13 January 2020 08: 36 New
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        There is foreign experience where people save their whole lives for their retirement. You can take a lot from there. A particular problem is the preservation of the purchasing power of money that is accumulated for retirement.
        1. Alex Nevs 13 January 2020 09: 58 New
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          This is not a problem; it is such a trend. Always have access to someone else's, so that you can steal. So It Was and So Will.
    3. A man with a capital letter 13 January 2020 08: 35 New
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      Create a bank on the basis of the pension fund, the capital of which will be pension contributions, with a personal account for each working account. Then the current employees of the FIU will be fed and the sheep will be safe
      1. Ross xnumx 13 January 2020 08: 44 New
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        We state the right thoughts, because we live on these pensions. The main thing for us is that a state old-age allowance (pension) be developed, the amount of which would depend only on seniority and that pension payments for this allowance in case of death do not disappear in the PF ...
      2. Alex Nevs 13 January 2020 09: 59 New
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        At some point, the bank will burst. And a penny money. And that nobody canceled Bankruptcy. They will find the culprit (scapegoat), and he is not available on Mars.
    4. Alex Nevs 13 January 2020 09: 56 New
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      And who will allow you this? Select a feeding trough.
    5. bar
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      Such a reform will allow throwing out a bunch of parasites from the Pension Fund that serve pensioners

      And redistribute money in favor of all kinds of non-state pension funds with several heaps of parasites? The idea is good, it’s only a pity that there is no guarantee that the NPF you have chosen will survive until your retirement, and its head will not dump your money into London like Borya Mints.
    6. Old Michael 13 January 2020 16: 22 New
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      throw a bunch of parasites out of the Pension Fund

      So the FIU itself as a whole is a bunch of parasites.
      When the Pension Fund was created, we were told that this structure will effectively manage the pension accumulations of citizens, not only by allowing inflation and various force majeure eat them, but also increase so that pensions will grow at a faster pace.
      Now guess, having arrived, for example, in an unfamiliar city: what is the most pompous building in it?
  • knn54 13 January 2020 07: 58 New
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    A territory where there is no concern for the elderly and prospects for youth to be called the State does not have the right.
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      Quote: knn54
      A territory where there is no concern for the elderly and prospects for youth to be called the State does not have the right.

      This wise man has long said ..

      and he is right!
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        Sylvester hi
        Thank you for remembering a brilliant scientist and a wonderful person.
  • Snail N9 13 January 2020 08: 02 New
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    While in France .... Macron temporarily stepped back from raising his retirement age, under the pressure of a protesting people. But we don’t want to “rock the boat”, we don’t want “like in France”. We have "braces" and "patriotically oriented ̶о̶л̶и̶г̶а̶р̶х̶и̶ entrepreneurs" rule.
  • Oslyabya 13 January 2020 08: 03 New
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    Each newly appointed official is sure that he will manage to steal - and run away. That national patience will not end specifically on him ... And he modestly takes a small trickle of money away from the country's huge financial river. She won’t lose her! And now a new initiative is ready on the 1001st method of "relatively honest withdrawal of money" from the population! ..
    1. comandos27 13 January 2020 08: 14 New
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      This is actually the wrong opinion that officials steal and run abroad, they will not run away and even they have no plans to run away. They are the owners in the Russian Federation and who is abroad? Tell me, from whom should they run away? From the opposition, from the people who have nothing? These people need to be saved from such bureaucrats.
      1. bessmertniy 13 January 2020 08: 37 New
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        A man with money seeks where it is better, and a man without money lives where he cannot leave. what
  • Strashila 13 January 2020 08: 08 New
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    Any reform since the Gorbachev era ends with an outflow of money abroad.
    Everyone sees only one way out, an increase in income, but there is another, cost reduction.
    Where are the pensioners' money in the long run and by and large any budgetary, in the second round of turnover, right abroad.
    Payment of utilities ... the result of offshore.
    Buying food ... offshore and neighboring countries.
    Etc.
    Lack of production. as a result of jobs, as a result of taxes.
    Recall Prime Minister Primakov ... was able to stop the growth of tariffs.
    At this stage of history in Russia, the state has withdrawn by 70 percent from the fulfillment of its obligations.
    Carrying out pseudo privatization, the state confirms its worthlessness in managing profitable assets, and this is money again.
    I remember in the old days they sang ... we will destroy the whole world to the ground. Torn down for more than 30 years.
    Only in contrast to modern ones, the previous ones managed to create something in 30 years while in power.
    .
  • frizzy 13 January 2020 08: 22 New
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    It is necessary for all pensioners of the Russian Federation to write an application for the transfer of one monthly pension (February) -VVP and DAM. You can understand that it is necessary to do this nizya.
    1. tihonmarine 13 January 2020 09: 13 New
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      Quote: frizzy
      It is necessary for all pensioners of the Russian Federation to write an application for the transfer of one monthly pension (February) to VVP and DAM.

      And also at the IMF.
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        Send March to
  • Paul Siebert 13 January 2020 08: 25 New
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    The author of the pension reform is the 35-year-old "nerd" Vladimir Nazarov, director of the Research Financial Institute (yes, yes - there is one!) Under the Ministry of Finance.
    More precisely - one of the main authors.
    He studied at the Institute of Public Administration in Ontario (Canada).
    At the English Language Institute in London.
    Recently, he said in an interview that: “capitalism and competition are the only engines of progress,” “a welfare state is an absolute brake on development in the post-industrial world.”
    One of the "holders" of the Gaidar Foundation ...
    The undoubted patriot ...
    Defender of the elderly and the deprived population ...
    Drive a filthy broom ... back to Canada!
    1. Efreytor 13 January 2020 09: 00 New
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      Yes, right, but the State Duma and the President have nothing to do with it. They did not know either the author of the reform, or the main parameters of this reform, they just voted and signed another. Call a spade a spade. Sane people understand who needs to be driven and where!
      1. Old Michael 13 January 2020 16: 38 New
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        and the State Duma and the President have nothing to do with it.

        And our President is a great economist, and the State Duma and the Federation Council are so in general, they only consist of them ...
        At legislators be specialized committees, which include world-class experts with, moreover, state thinking. And the government owes to ensure similar professionalism in the work of subordinate ministries and their ilk.
        In fact, some such "professionals" prepared proposals to the President in the form of a bill with comments and justifications, while other "experts with state thinking" approved them and adopted them immediately in fifteen readings. Should the President sign this? What should the President have in order not to sign the law actually adopted by parliament? Who should give him this "something"? Administration of the President? FSB? KVN? This, in fact, is not their task.
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      Quote: Paul Siebert
      One of the "holders" of the Gaidar Foundation ..
      The Yegor Gaidar Foundation is a non-profit organization created to promote liberal values ​​and popularize the ideas and heritage of Yegor Gaidar.
    3. Ingvar 72 13 January 2020 09: 42 New
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      Quote: Paul Siebert
      Vladimir Nazarov

      Rumor has it that he is the illegitimate son of Kudrin.
    4. Varyag71 13 January 2020 14: 47 New
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      Recently, a conference was with him. He was also indignant that the state has borders and they irritate him very much. This is probably Kolya from Urengoy, only 20 years older
    5. New Year day 13 January 2020 16: 18 New
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      Quote: Paul Siebert
      The author of the pension reform is the 35-year-old "nerd" Vladimir Nazarov, director of the Research Financial Institute (yes, yes - there is one!) Under the Ministry of Finance.
      More precisely - one of the main authors.

      The beliefs of this figure, implemented by the authorities

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      Recently, a proposal was made on the air to remove the continuation of “The Serf”, but now about ordinary major, and about the person involved in power, with the pilot name “Smerd”. In fact, what is needed is not a film like this, but a reality show, lasting at least a month, and sending such a "nerd Nazarov" there - for re-education. Not 2 yards will be gathered there, but all 200, - a good increase in pensions will be good.
  • ELEZKIY 13 January 2020 08: 26 New
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    Tomorrow we will hear what the president thinks about this.

    do we have a president?
    who also thinks ??
  • hhhhhhh 13 January 2020 08: 27 New
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    We pissed off our pensions. We are not supposed to.
    Pensions only to the military, women for children. The rest did not deserve.
    Those who worked in the USSR are required.
  • EvilLion 13 January 2020 08: 37 New
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    And will the government increase the living standards of pensioners from the air, or at the same time at the expense of the labor of those who work? The USSR collapsed because its population, like children, in principle, did not understand where all its benefits come from.

    You yourself are accustomed to rest in Turkey, in cottages with huge houses for 2-meter fences, and Kalina is not a car for you. If the population eats 3 throats, then, of course, there will be no accumulation.
    1. bober1982 13 January 2020 09: 10 New
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      Quote: EvilLion
      You yourself used to relax in Turkey

      In Turkey, poor compatriots are resting now, according to the class theory - the proletarians and the unsecured citizens who joined them.
      Quote: EvilLion
      If the population eats 3 throats

      In my opinion, further more, gluttony is simply incredible, and there is a lot of ambition at the same time - everything is wrong, everything is bad and so on.
      1. Mordvin 3 13 January 2020 13: 28 New
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        In Turkey, poor compatriots are resting now, according to the class theory - the proletarians and the unsecured citizens who joined them.

        Do you know what I will tell you? I have never rested in Turkey. Even in the Crimea they gave a ticket to the 80s, and then I refused it.
        1. bober1982 13 January 2020 13: 35 New
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          Do you know what I will tell you?

          I also did not rest in Turkey, I don’t understand why people go abroad to rest, if it’s possible to have a good rest at home. Judge for yourself - airport (selfie), hotel (selfie), beach (selfie), hotel, airport. Well, what a vacation it is, like it, let it ride.
          In Soviet times, I also refused tickets, the regimental doctor threatened not to leave on vacation.
          The doctor said something like this when I refused to take a ticket - This time I miss you, I won’t report to the regiment commander, but next year ......., and so every year repeated.
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            This time I miss you, I will not report to the regiment commander, but next year ......., and so it was repeated every year.

            Did you drink a lot? belay
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              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Did you drink a lot?

              Have you read my full comment?
              Quote: bober1982
              when I refused to take a ticket

              After all, you need to read the commentary completely, and you immediately drank, or didn’t drink a lot. By the way, in Soviet terms, non-Russians may not understand, or somehow understand in their own way that the word itself means in Russian - drink, ours will understand right away.
              But, since the question was asked, I’ll answer this way - I didn’t drink, but drank, at the level of the average Air Force officer (the ability to stay on one’s feet was appreciated)
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  • BAI
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    Those pensioners who from the Soviet times regularly go to the polls and vote as the authorities need, will simply stop going to them.

    They will go and hang out for EdRo. Elections Vorobyov in the Moscow region is clearly demonstrated.
  • Cast 13 January 2020 08: 47 New
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    First you need to judge all the authors of anti-people laws that have worsened the lives of citizens. And then change this system.
    1. Efreytor 13 January 2020 09: 02 New
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      Not the authors should be judged, but those who sign these laws.
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        Quote: Efreytor
        and those who sign these laws.

        And if not adopted law, then there will be nothing to sign, is not it?

        Laws in our country can be adopted only by the Duma and no one else.

        Constitution of the Russian Federation Xnumx
        1. Federal laws are adopted by the State Duma.
        2. Federal laws are adopted by a majority of the total number of deputies of the State Duma ...

        Replenishment of his duties as a guarantor of the Constitution by signing the president under the law, guarantees that this law does not contradict the Constitution.
  • Efreytor 13 January 2020 08: 49 New
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    The president will be indignant tomorrow, he will intercede for pensioners.
  • Cruorvult 13 January 2020 08: 53 New
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    Ololo. The author, figure out what the PFR budget consists of.

    The Pension Fund of Russia has prepared a draft federal law “On the Budget of the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation for 2019 and for the planning period 2020 and 2021”.

    For 2019, the budget was formed for revenues in the amount of 8,6 trillion rubles and for expenditures - 8,6 trillion rubles, which exceeds the indicators of 2018 by 358,2 billion rubles (by 104,3%) by income and by 115,9 billion rubles (101,4%) in expenses.

    The receipt of insurance contributions for compulsory pension insurance for 2019–2021 is determined on an ongoing basis, taking into account a tariff of 22% and a tariff of 10% with payment amounts exceeding the maximum base for calculating insurance contributions.

    In order to provide financial support for the payment of pensions, benefits and other social benefits financed from the federal budget, in 2019 transfers from the federal budget in the amount of 3,3 trillion rubles are envisaged, including 1,9 trillion rubles for the payment of insurance pensions.

    That is, you have 3,3 trillion from the federal budget. About what you "accumulated 150 lard".
  • Boris55 13 January 2020 09: 01 New
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    Quote: A. Staver
    That the state and a specific person interact with each other in much the same way as a shepherd and sheep.

    ...
    Why herds of gifts of freedom?
    They should be cut or cut.
    Their inheritance from generation to generation
    Yarmo with rattles and scourge.

    Author: A. S. Pushkin

    Quote: A. Staver
    I wonder if those who developed and implemented this reform really set the goal of improving the lives of senior citizens?

    If the author is not in the know then I inform you that the pension reform was carried out by decision of the IMF and they absolutely do not care about the people in other countries. IMF works for US interests.

    As a result of the reform, there was an overfilling of production with labor - the old people do not leave, young people do not work, and as you know, young people have always been the driving force of all revolutions ... As a result of this, Medvedev’s proposal to reduce the working week to four days arose and the owner’s order to fulfill necessary, and live hunting ...

    In addition, an oversupply of labor forces blocks access to modernization of production, to its robotization and, as a result, to a decrease in labor productivity and product competitiveness.

    To whom it is beneficial, in whose interests it was carried out and by whom, it is quite obvious.
    1. Qwertyarion 13 January 2020 09: 53 New
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      The pension reform was carried out by decision of the IMF and they absolutely do not give a damn about people in other countries.

      Does the IMF only act so hard with us?
      Is the IMF loyal to other countries?
      1. Boris55 13 January 2020 09: 57 New
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        Quote: Qwertyarion
        Does the IMF only act so hard with us? Is the IMF loyal to other countries?

        Similar. In Russia, the retirement age was the last to be raised in the post-Soviet space. The IMF, and "our" Duma, stands in defense of US interests.



        Quote: Qwertyarion
        I believe that retirement will be raised for another 5 years.

        And it will depend on who we choose in the next Duma. It may happen that everything will return to its former places, but it depends only on us, not only on our choice, but also on who we choose - the one we ourselves will nominate or the one that the bourgeois will appoint us.
    2. IS-80_RVGK2 13 January 2020 10: 35 New
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      Quote: Boris55
      If the author is not in the know then I inform you that the pension reform was carried out by decision of the IMF and they absolutely do not care about the people in other countries. IMF works for US interests.

      You have the wrong idea. The fact is that regardless of the IMF, the same processes will continue to occur on average, because this is the mechanics of capitalism. Therefore, it is not bad to seek conspiracies where everything is quite logically explained without them.
      1. Boris55 13 January 2020 11: 10 New
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        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        Nehru seek conspiracies where everything is quite logically explained without them.

        "Each error has a first and last name"I.V. Stalin.
        The surname of this crime is K. Logard.


        The IMF was the initiator of raising the retirement age in the post-Soviet space and it is not necessary to protect them by moving the arrows to capitalism, which does not have a surname, which means asking a little one.
        1. IS-80_RVGK2 13 January 2020 11: 28 New
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          The IMF was the initiator of raising the retirement age in the post-Soviet space and it is not necessary to protect them.

          Here I tell you again. Nehru seek conspiracies where they are not. The fact that our adherents of capitalism use Western patterns is certainly so. But still, they would have been forced to carry out such a reform. And even Stalin would have carried out the same reform in such circumstances. Why are you all crying about the injustice of pension reform and not one of you has bothered to read at least some of the analytical materials and other statistics on the topic? And the facts are that we have a very bad demographic situation and a hole in the budget of the pension fund. Another thing is that nichrome is not being done to really turn the tide. What is being done is stupidly patching holes on a sinking ship.
        2. Snail N9 13 January 2020 14: 20 New
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          Maybe Boris is enough (accent on the first syllable)? It was Christine Lagarde who signed this law. Yeah. And your beloved "saint" said, "I will not sign this anti-people law!" and "made an appeal to the nation for support" against the implementation of anti-people pension reform, etc. It’s not funny to himself?
          1. Fan-fan 13 January 2020 19: 25 New
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            Yes, Boris is ousting Putin by any means. Probably in love.
        3. Revival 13 January 2020 14: 56 New
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          This is what she was lined up for before the speech, I thought the man signed the law on pension reform. And it’s done there.
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          Avon as .... They chose Putin (this is a "non-commissioned" result), and Christine Lagarde steers Russia! Ah, such a wretch! - All conspiracy therapists put together, surpassed 50 years in advance!
    3. Winnie76 13 January 2020 14: 15 New
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      In addition, an oversupply of labor forces blocks access to modernization of production, to its robotization and, as a result, to a decrease in labor productivity and product competitiveness.

      But is there any sense in this robotization if people are driven out into the street and join the ranks of the conditionally employed? In my field, many enterprises have 100% robotics. I think everyone fired, the modernization of production did not bring any happiness. Leftover too.
      Why do we need such a "competitive" country if the majority of the population eke out a miserable existence
    4. Revival 13 January 2020 14: 53 New
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      Yes, by whom it is quite obvious.
      I saw the performance in person
  • Vitaly Tsymbal 13 January 2020 09: 18 New
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    Can I stop talking about pension reform? She (reform) still cannot stay with us, though nobody (even PR employees) already understands what is being reformed? That reform is being carried out for the sake of reform, and the pensioner's life does not get any better ... No, not because the money is paid little, but because the prices of everything are growing faster than Rosstat says !!! President Putin even once said that he did not know what his pension was. laughing , and you're talking about mere mortals !!!!
  • Was mammoth 13 January 2020 09: 31 New
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    "I wonder if those who developed and implemented this reform really set the goal of improving the lives of senior citizens?"
    Of course not. Here are a couple of phrases:
    "I urge you to stop being dependent." A.A. Karelin, deputy of the State Duma since 1999 and a famous athlete.
    "... they beg: you can raise the retirement age .... S. Zhurova, a deputy of the State Duma, a famous athlete .....
    The following sportsmen deputies supported the adoption of the law:
    Dmitry Pirog (boxer)
    Alexander Karelin (fight)
    Irina Rodnina (figure skating)
    Sergey Chepikov (biathlon)
    Vladimir Drachev (biathlon)
    Svetlana Zhurova (speed skating)
    Nikolay Valuev (boxing)
    Irek Zinnurov (water polo)
    There, in the Duma, "every creature has a pair," not only athletes.
    This is about the issue of elections, almost the only legal way to change something.
    Quote: Snail N9
    While in France ....

    We have not grown as in France.
    "Here comes the master ..." and in two days he will tell about tireless care for the sake of the common good. wink
  • lopvlad 13 January 2020 09: 31 New
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    So huge that even such relatively loyal people to power, finally realized that having reached the "time of survival", the state does not need a person.


    The main problem of the pension reform is not that little money will be added, but that a maximum of 15-20% of men can survive to retirement. Against this background, even MMM looks like a social organization compared to the FIU.
    With the raising of the retirement age, even the most naive realized that the liberals had completely killed the last sign of the social state inherited from the USSR.
    A pension of 65 years in a region where the average age of life is 60 years is not even a mockery but outright cynicism.
    1. Cruorvult 13 January 2020 09: 41 New
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      Earlier it became known that the life expectancy of women in Russia increased to 78,5 years, and men - to 68,5 years. According to the head of the Ministry of Health Veronika Skvortsova, the growth rate of this indicator in our country is the highest in the world.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2 13 January 2020 10: 44 New
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        Quote: CruorVult
        Earlier it became known that the life expectancy of women in Russia increased to 78,5 years, and men - to 68,5 years. According to the head of the Ministry of Health Veronika Skvortsova, the growth rate of this indicator in our country is the highest in the world.

        This is not the Ministry of Health, which in the standings "has never had this before and here again" with the reform of medicine?
      2. Snail N9 13 January 2020 10: 55 New
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        And here is one more .... "A woman retires at age 55 ... something needs to be done with this" Really, "what to do with them" -Have something or something ???:
        1. Mordvin 3 13 January 2020 13: 34 New
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          Indeed, "what to do with them" -Have something or something ???:

          That is easy! As my dad used to say, gather all the disabled in one place and drop a vigorous bomb on them.
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        Quote: CruorVult
        It became known earlier that life expectancy


        it’s like the average temperature in the hospital. In one room lies healthy and cheerful, drinking tea with cookies, and in the other under the sheet the body slowly cools down.
    2. Qwertyarion 13 January 2020 09: 47 New
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      Quote: lopvlad
      A pension of 65 years in a region where the average age of 60 is not even a mockery, but outright cynicism

      I believe that retirement will be raised for another 5 years .. approximately until 2030
    3. IS-80_RVGK2 13 January 2020 10: 39 New
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      Quote: lopvlad
      With the raising of the retirement age, even the most naive realized that the liberals had completely killed the last sign of the social state inherited from the USSR.

      Wait a moment, cry. Still, the medicine was not completely paid. And Putin, as far as I remember last year, spoke out for its co-financing.
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        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        Still medicine is not fully paid


        it has long been paid. We deduct taxes and still pay from our own pockets.
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      MMM was the most common mutual assistance fund. Only those in power did not like it. Only according to official data, money from 7 to 17 KAMAZ was exported. Where's the money? After all, Sergey Mavrodi did not buy yachts, planes, islands. And he had one apartment, which he got from his parents.
  • Mavrikiy 13 January 2020 09: 33 New
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    That the state and a specific person interact with each other in much the same way as a shepherd and sheep. While wool can be sheared from a sheep, the sheep is looked after, fed, cherished. And then, when the wool becomes scarce, sheep's happiness ends.
    This is how they look after, feed, cherish: is there a first-class education, medicine, social protection? request Wake up, "everything is already stolen before" your birth. requestThose. sheep can still be envied.
    1. Mordvin 3 13 January 2020 13: 46 New
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      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Those. sheep can still be envied.

      What do you want? There is nothing to envy.
  • megadeth 13 January 2020 09: 48 New
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    Tell me thanks, what else do pensioners not pay for air ...
  • Gardamir 13 January 2020 10: 10 New
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    Article 7 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation states that Russia is a social state. And there is a guarantor of the Constitution. True, the cat prevents him from fulfilling his duties.
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      Quote: Gardamir
      Article 7 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation states that Russia is a social state.

      But do not we pay pensions, various benefits, scholarships, etc.?
      What do you think is a "social state"?

      Quote: Gardamir
      And there is a guarantor of the Constitution.

      And what law, signed by the president in fulfillment of his duties as its guarantor, does not comply with the Constitution?
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      2. andrew42 14 January 2020 07: 09 New
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        No need to fool around about "pensions, various benefits, scholarships." Any such norm can be emasculated to insignificant, there would be a desire for the state apparatus, and there will always be a “package of measures”. The next step is the recognition of the state’s obligations to individual citizens as a “void transaction”, with all the consequences strictly according to the Civil Code of the Russian Federation. The legal field, it is!
        1. Boris55 14 January 2020 08: 22 New
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          Quote: andrew42
          Any such norm can be emasculated to insignificant, there would be a desire for the state apparatus, and there will always be a “package of measures”.

          We are talking about the Constitution and its guarantor. What side does the law enforcement practice relate to the president’s responsibilities to ensure that the laws adopted do not contradict the Constitution? Maybe lawmakers (deputies) need not to leave “bookmarks” in the laws that allow them to be interpreted in two ways?
  • Rust 13 January 2020 11: 23 New
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    How many times in recent years have we been deceived. Both believed and believe the majority.
    1. A man with a capital letter 13 January 2020 14: 57 New
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      They don’t believe, they just look at each other, they are looking for a leader who will finally begin to act. And if which one appears, and they do not believe him, because there have already been such
  • Konstantin02 13 January 2020 12: 01 New
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    In the Great Patriotic War, people went with shouts "For the Motherland, for Stalin!" I just can’t imagine that someone will go into battle with the slogan: "For the Motherland, for Putin!"
    1. Anatole Klim 13 January 2020 13: 47 New
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      Quote: Konstantin02
      I just can’t imagine that someone will go into battle with the slogan: "For the Motherland, for Putin!"

      I will go for the Motherland, and I will never put different rulers near the Motherland. For parents, children, graves of ancestors, for my own home I will go into battle, I hope I'm not alone.
    2. Fan-fan 13 January 2020 19: 34 New
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      Boris should go, although I think he will only shout this slogan from the trench and everything will end there.
  • Anatoly Ershov 13 January 2020 13: 39 New
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    Amusing numbers are written by the author)) 150 billion rubles have accumulated. And if you add the accumulations of private PFs there too? After all, only 70 billion rubles are concentrated in the largest private pension funds.
    Total (counts and 1-grader)
    150 + 70 = 220 billion rubles. accumulated !!! in PF
    Pensioner registered in the same PF 46 million people.

    We divide what has accumulated into someone for whom it has accumulated.
    220: 000 (000 we write 000 it went to mind :-))
    But the crazy number turns out 4 782,608695 rubles.
    How old is it for:
    4 thousand 782 rubles. 61 kopecks?

    Author? Answer. Ku-ku .. Either I did not study at school or ... the thought ends there ...

    And the fact that it’s not in the USSR where, before the death of the program, the food program was overwhelming, it’s for sure .. and not only it .. the old house didn’t want to take its stand (speech is long empty, black eyebrows are thick)
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  • vprnik 13 January 2020 13: 54 New
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    Somehow I had a chance to talk in the kitchen with the last PFR official: no government wants to transfer money into the PFR as transfers that could be “mastered” in another direction. The pension system itself (inherited from the USSR) can be self-sufficient only if half of the population does not live up to retirement. Let's go along the easiest way. The government is awaiting reform proposals from the FIU itself, but the system will never change itself. Therefore, 65 years is not the final retirement age. (((
  • U-58 13 January 2020 15: 30 New
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    And if the amount in the FIU is an accounting value?
    But has his real expression turned around for a long time in other projects?
    Can, therefore, this money is inaccessible for distribution, what is it in fact not?
    And they will turn back in .... the fifth anniversary
  • tihonmarine 13 January 2020 17: 00 New
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    Quote: Varyag71
    Sovkoflot

    Rather, the state company Sovcomflot. Sorry.
  • Alexey Shilin 13 January 2020 17: 02 New
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    150 billion divided by 50 million pensioners - this is three thousand for each. One at a time.
  • Radikal 13 January 2020 17: 16 New
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    Output? Alas, there is no way out today. I can’t even imagine the event that should happen in order for the consciousness of the people to change. It must be something epoch-making. Like the flight of Gagarin or Victory in the Second World War ...
    Victory in the Second World War has been privatized for a long time, you know who, so it remains only to imagine ... VOSR 2.0, or TMV, during which it will be clear who is coming from, and the state will begin to renew, or everything will be very bad .... sad
    1. Snail N9 13 January 2020 18: 56 New
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      I’m wondering, on May 9 of this year, the Lenin Mausoleum is also “disguised”?
  • parusnik 13 January 2020 17: 16 New
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    Come on, pension reform, here the guarantor works and nothing .. And we choose future angry pensioners [ laughing We all love PZh eeeeeee .... GDP ... laughing
  • Altona 13 January 2020 17: 50 New
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    Quote: prior
    President

  • Emil 13 January 2020 18: 05 New
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    Opus bullshit, the author simply decided to promote on a rotten topic / .... who has not kicked a half-dead lion ... /, any example and argument without straining can be refuted and counterargumented ... lol
  • Private89 13 January 2020 18: 36 New
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    1960-1990 (30 years), the population of the RSFSR 119,9 million people. - 148,3 million people. increased by 28,4 million people.
    1991-2019 (28 years), the population of Russia is 148,6 million people. - 146,7 million people decreased by 1,9 million people.
    And this is only official statistics - Russian "statistics"
    Here is a clear result of the system that is being built (officially) since 1991 for almost 30 years trampling on the spot. This system leads to the destruction of our people and country.
    1. Snail N9 13 January 2020 19: 02 New
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      146,7 million people? Everything is much, much worse: https://pikabu.ru/story/kakova_realnaya_chislennost_naseleniya_rossii_16052018_6080899
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      This is official data. According to other sources, less than 89 million of us.
  • Radikal 13 January 2020 19: 12 New
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    Quote: Snail N9
    I’m wondering, on May 9 of this year, the Lenin Mausoleum is also “disguised”?

    And what can change in the mind of the Guarantor? sad
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    Pension reform is not limited. The "invalid" reform has also begun. Disabled people began to be "healed" en masse. Only this time, quiet, without media coverage.
    https://fbm.ru/novosti/snjatie-invalidnosti-v-2019.html
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    Alas, there is no way out today. I can’t even imagine the event that should happen in order for the consciousness of the people to change.

    Do not you know? So why are you writing? Steam let off? It's ridiculous ... Russia since its inception was not a "social state" and they all understand this very well. Everything that is written in the Constitution. All that is pronounced from the stands is a fiction. Power separately, people separately and together they do not exist. That's why he is capitalism.
  • 7,62h54 13 January 2020 20: 26 New
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    I express to the president and the government my disrespect in a decent form.
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    That's right said:
    "... even if the pensions are significantly increased, this will not change the attitude of Russians ..."
    So why try for these ungrateful pigs?
    For what they did with their country, the USSR - not pensions, they deserved flogging.
  • 7,62h54 13 January 2020 20: 42 New
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    D. Medvedev, speaking at the ceremony, quoted Chekhov as saying: “To rejoice at such nonsense as the New Year is, in my opinion, ridiculous and unworthy of the human mind. The New Year is as rubbish as the old, with the only difference being that the old "The year was bad, and the new one is always worse. We must not rejoice, but suffer, cry. The newer the year, the closer to death, the wider the baldness, the more sinuous wrinkles, the older the wife, the more guys, the less money."

    “On this optimistic note, I would like to wish you a merry Old New Year,” Medvedev concluded.

    Here you don’t even need to read between the lines, it’s immediately clear that the prime minister promises a sheep herd.
  • Tests 13 January 2020 21: 19 New
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    SRC P-15 (Alexander), dear, should correct you for the sake of objectivity. In the USSR there was a ceiling of the usual old age, not a personal pension - 132 rubles. Thousands of people, if not tens of thousands, who worked in the Far North in difficult and dangerous conditions knew 132 rubles - this is the ceiling, even though you are a tent, even a metallurgist, even sitting on the reactor for 3-4 hours per shift.
    Village counselors received an additional payment, and my grandmother - on a collective farm in the region equated to the Far North, consider most of my life, including in the war, earned less than 40 rubles of pension. Although the collective farm is a millionaire, Arkhangelsk, Severodvinsk, Novodvinsk are nearby and the students will arrive in the fall, and the chefs from the enterprises, and the sale of vegetables, milk and meat - next to each other, along the river and along the road. So the land for the garden was small, I handed over several dozen bags of potatoes and carrots every year, the collective farm always brought firewood ... And there was a loom in the cold kitchen - my grandmother weaved rugs to all the surrounding villages, and in Arkhangelsk I took my cousins ​​as a gift ...
    Personal pensioners of national importance, especially those who wore signature papers on Old Square - they apparently received surcharges due to vibration and radiation, in noise, gas and dust in the cold ... And there were not so many Great Patriotic participants my native country remembered them. But there was also a cattle system - whether or not a person participated in the hostilities ... The godfather of my eldest daughter to the Red Army was called up at the end of 1943. In June 1944, after tank training, he rode in a train to the front, near Belarus itself the train fell under bombing. The bomb fell into a neighboring house, and the embankment was high. They pulled him out from under a pile of wood and metal unconscious, his head was broken, his whole body was broken, he could barely breathe. He has been in hospitals for more than 6 months, written off completely in Uzbekistan after the hospital, and learned to live anew. Disabled, but studied, not a bad engineer - he became a heating engineer. Until the 80s they did not consider him a participant in the war ... Is it his fault that he didn’t reach the front?
    1. andrew42 14 January 2020 07: 02 New
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      The desire for objectivity is understandable. Injustice was also under the Union, especially growing from that very “collective farm slavery”. The difference in the degree of social injustice, and now it is prohibitively huge. Half of that Soviet pension "ceiling" for 80% of today's pensioners today would be for happiness, given the fact that the "collective farm always brought firewood," and there was a lot more that was "always." This should be recognized, and not overtightened due to disasters in your family.
  • 7,62h54 13 January 2020 21: 50 New
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    The main task for the Kremlin for 2020 is to combat the increase in the level of well-being of citizens.
  • Captain45 14 January 2020 03: 31 New
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    After the New Year holidays, the country suddenly, once again, saw that Russia was far from the USSR. [i] [/ i] (s)
    Nuuu, damn it, as in that joke: And on the fourth day, the Vigilant Eye saw that the shed did not have one wall. That's how we ran away!
    Bliin .... It took 30 years to understand, NOOS USSR! EVERYTHING! The country is over, there is none and maybe there will be no more in the next 30-40 years. And to be needed ....., at least a party that will express the aspirations of the people. Who is it? Zyuganov's party? What is it called that expresses?
  • andrew42 14 January 2020 06: 51 New
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    The situation is transparent like clean glass: it seems that we have our own country, and the state in the country is alien, anti-people, together with the Sovereign. It is sad but true: the demographics of the indigenous population of most territories, the “living wage” with the prefixed “no”, the reset of the direct functions of state regulation in private business - housing and communal services, medicine, education. Pension provision, as it has been since 1991 to this day, is the apotheosis of the mockery of the pseudo-elite over the people of my country. What is the political system — such are ordinary pensions — you cannot erase them from the macroeconomic system of profit distribution. Pensioners can only enjoy the ideology newly proclaimed by the Guarantor-sovereign - from patriotism, in its bourgeois understanding.
  • kemnik 14 January 2020 07: 54 New
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    All right. After the pension reform, I decided not to go to the polls anymore. It makes no sense. It also became clear that Putin was not omnipotent and not completely true. Hopes for power and its common sense also turned out to be groundless. The attitude to the state and its ideas and declarations has become just like that of an aftar - nothing. Complete distrust and indifference to the words and deeds of those in power, such an atmosphere formed. And billions poured into infrastructure, housing and land improvement are not particularly encouraging. Because the problems of the common man, the injustice and inhumanity of capitalism, bridges, houses and roads will not be canceled.
  • Alexander Ostapchuk 14 January 2020 12: 27 New
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    I completely agree with the author of the article, this thought and this government are only worried about their welfare
  • Den717 14 January 2020 13: 30 New
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    Pension reserves in Russia are higher than the roof.
    Anton Drozdov, the head of the FIU, recently announced the fact that at the end of 2019, 150 billion rubles had accumulated in the Pension Fund. And if you add the accumulations of private PFs there too? After all, only 70 billion rubles are concentrated in the largest private pension funds.

    Author, what do you smoke? PFR in 2019 expenses amounted to 8,27 trillion rubles, subsidies from the budget of the Russian Federation 3,28 trillion rubles (40%). What accumulated billions are you talking about? I don’t even want to comment on the rest ... The question of the retirement age is very painful for the population of any country. We are no exception. Only if in European countries, as well as in Asian countries (China itself), they are initially accustomed to co-financing pension savings from their already accrued salaries, and this is really the money of the population, then the FIU budget education system is exclusively from the funds of legal entities-employers. Formally, the population, each of us personally, does not list anything in the FIU, unless it is involved in an NPF. Therefore, the phrase about the robbery of the population through the FIU, from the point of view of legal practice, is somewhat doubtful. Although the additional “five-year plan” is a tangible thing. From my point of view, it would be much more effective for the state to actively monitor NPFs and guarantee population contributions to these institutions. Then, over time, the memory of defaults of the 90s could be compensated by the active guarantee of the 2000s. But here the state has an oversight. In general, any changes to such pension institutions should be preceded by serious outreach. But she, by and large, was not. So they got an active-passive rejection of innovations.