Russia, get ready to live very well!


“Do you understand what the president said?” This was the most common question on January 1-2 of this year. Maybe someone like, but in my environment it was just like that. No one understood anything. I repent, I also do not belong to a cohort of those who are on an armored train.


Moreover, the fact that we have an orderly understanding, was confirmed by numerous "translators" on YouTube, who rushed to explain the races that stood behind each letter of the New Year's greetings.

You know, this is how in the distant 80s the texts of BG and Pyotr Mamonov “translated”. I remembered, because I also could not figure them out, although I tried.

But the point is not that on December 31 we didn’t understand anything, the New Year’s greetings were just a backdrop, the president there could read the “fawn-fawn”, everyone would do it. For tradition: before the coming of the next year, the president says something to his people.

But on January 15, we are waiting for a more (possibly) epoch-making event, namely a message to the Federal Assembly. I was frankly surprised that this year was so early, then, when the temptation began to look at with a mountain of hints, I realized that there would be something "archival".

I was really surprised by overtly aggressive advertising. So many hints, predictions, fortunetelling ... Will there really be something like that?

As I understood from the hints, the point is that Vladimir Vladimirovich supposedly tells us something like this ... About poverty.

In general, Putin has been talking about poverty every time recently. Earlier, much, much earlier, at the very beginning, the president talked about increasing the incomes of Russians, and like many others, I liked it a lot more.

Twenty years later, the topic itself somehow somehow slowly changed.

It turns out that we fought, fought for higher incomes, and now we are fighting poverty. Or it is necessary to clarify, WHO should have increased income. If the Rotenbergs, Grefs and Timchenko - then everything is more or less clear, if I have - why didn’t they grow?

So, probably everyone can say.

It strains another nuance. If we fought for high incomes for 20 years, and now we will fight poverty, then at such a pace in 10 years more, what will we get? Poverty? And in 2030 we will hear about how our incredibly caring government will fight poverty?

Maybe. I wouldn’t want to become a prophet, but ... But not everything is working out for our government. And where do not look. The list of where you do not need to look, so as not to upset yourself, is so large that it is much easier to find corners where everything is still more or less going.

But I'm not about the government now, I'm about the message. Intrigues, hints, announcements ... Yes, they are announcing it. Almost a gift that the president has prepared for us. It seems that (this is again from the stated guesses in the media) we will talk about the sudden increase in pensions and incomes.

Again, without much-needed refinement - whose.

Simply, if this is another empty promise, such as control over rising prices of housing and communal services, fuel and other things, then it will remain an empty promise. And here it’s not even a matter of the fact that in our country the president is very peculiar in keeping his word given to the people, but in the fact that all promises will be fulfilled by those who, in fact, brought the country to poverty.


And now it will fight this poverty. Up to the next frontier. Either a brighter future, or to utter poverty.

Again, the fighters may well have a bright future, and the rest are just poverty. Everything is very simple and logical.

Of course, the promise of a good life in the future is positive. Such information is really nothing negative in itself. To promise the people that he will live well is just one of the responsibilities of both the president and the government.

It’s just that the promises should be followed by business, but with this, it’s just not so so for us. Not with us with the fulfillment of promises, seriously.

Meanwhile, in stores and markets, for some reason, promises are not accepted. Even Putin’s. Prefer money, both paper and electronic.

But the fact that promises are not being realized is what Vladimir Vladimirovich needs to think hard about. How many times have we watched on a TV screen how the president, speaking to the prime minister, to the ministers, says that “we need to pay attention” to this or that problem?

And then you should look at how the ministers act. No, no one says that they do not pay attention. Perhaps every time they pay close attention to the problem.

I translate: “pay attention” means to get acquainted with the problem. But nowhere is it said that it needs to be addressed. No one decides.

But the trouble is: if you do not keep promises and solve problems, the people simply stop believing in any promises, and those who make promises quickly lose credibility with the aforementioned people.

Agree, promises can be kept, can not be kept. With all the subsequent effects, from adoration to contempt. A third seems to have not been given, but ... According to many sober-minded people, our government has invented a very sophisticated third way.

This is when the fulfillment of a promise is replaced by an illusion. The illusion of execution.

But Russia is such a country that even illusions become a reality here. And as a result: they promised, they did something there, it seemed, they performed, they reported. But for some reason it’s not better. In the best scenario. At worst, things get worse.

A very peculiar way of cheating. But, as practice shows, effective. People watch / read bravura reports, and our zombie legion helps them in this: first of all, VTsIOM and Rosstat, who do not know where the growth figures come from, and then television, radio and media. Well, of course, biased bloggers, where without them.

And if everything is clear with television, then the radio, oddly enough, is another serious assistant for those who want to ride through the brains of the population. In personal cars and minibuses. But the blogosphere, given the fact that “you can find the truth on the Internet,” is now a worthy television assistant.

At the very least, those who want to tell “what Putin had in mind” are becoming more and more those who do not understand. So, it is quite obvious that the beginning is not just the beginning of another illusion, that Illusion will be waiting for us - with a capital letter.

Why is that? And because this enormous illusion, which will begin to be voiced on February 15, will be fanned for a whole year. Why? But because in September 2021, elections are waiting for us ...

And, of course, in these elections to the State Duma, the United Russia party is simply obliged to win another convincing victory. At any cost. The price is understandable, and therefore the pressure on the brain will be very, very thorough.

The illusion must be created and maintained precisely before the 2021 election, but in such a way that it would be possible to deal with the consequences only after the victory of United Russia in these elections.

That is why the president’s message to the Federal Assembly will be organized so early. It's time.


Now the main thing. As usual: “What did the author want to say?”

The author wanted to say that an illusion cannot be eaten, put for future use, sold or exchanged. This is an illusion that will be created in order to dust our brains, so that in the next election we either vote as it should, or create the appearance that everything turned out as it should.

Improving our lives with promises and illusions is impossible. This, I hope, everyone understands. Improvement is possible, but only if all the efforts of the authorities are aimed at ensuring that all citizens of our country live better.

But for this, first of all, it is necessary to radically redistribute income precisely within the country. But the existing government, of course, will not do this. How can it not go to the “moving” tax system: it is impossible to infringe on the financial condition of those who really steers the country, is not it?

Therefore, all that remains for the people, contemptuously called the electorate, is either to allow yourself to brainwash with the illusions of the “work” of the government and not to notice the processes taking place in the country, not to notice how everything or almost everything is falling apart, or to really think about and whether we go there the last 20 years.

Therefore, I am convinced that on January 15 they will promise us a lot and with taste. Moreover, they will promise more than ever. Everything that happens today is comparable to preparing for a general offensive, speaking in military language. Unfortunately, this will be an attack on our brains.

But it’s worth understanding that the more they promise us, the less they will do. Or even more so worsen our lives.

But to create the appearance that people are being taken care of is simply necessary.

However, I won’t be too scared if I say that lately TV shows with the participation of our president are becoming less and less popular, and even more so, they are irritating with their frank staging.

It is possible that soon these PR events will be compared in popularity with the show of another representative from the Federal Assembly, which is broadcasting on Channel One. "The word of the shepherd."


In general, the program is very interesting and even somewhat similar to what happens on all these “direct” lines, large press conferences and other messages.

You quite reasonably ask: what is there in common? The president of the country and the patriarch, a religious figure?

But the common thing in them is that it is a question of a miracle as a whole. And that this miracle must be generally believed. Preferably fervently and without requiring evidence.

Alas, we live in a time when you still want real confirmation. No, not from Cyril, from Vladimir Vladimirovich. It’s time.
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  1. Hunter 2 13 January 2020 05: 40 New
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    I don’t understand why such a provocative article? Now the battles will start again ... Putintsy - Against AntiPutintsev ... comments on 300 - 400 ... some have stolen an argument from some, an argument from others - you don’t want to work! With hard minus each other. And it is not known what will be in the message ... Well, what new Bright Thought may appear in these Battles? Eh ... Roman, Roman ... request
    It is time to rename the site from VO to VPO (military-political review). stop
    1. Finches 13 January 2020 05: 54 New
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      The novel has the right to post articles of any kind here, including provocative ones, thereby causing the most vivid participation of people with opposing points of view! I want to say something else - even if the GDP sincerely wants to do something for the benefit of the common people precisely in internal affairs - this is the code that is captured in the hall will not allow this! And she didn’t allow it! The environment around GDP has long been so bronzed that even Joseph Vissarionovich’s methods will not help! This is the mentality of our political culture - Ivan the Terrible instituted an oprichnina, hanging the boyars in Feng Shui, but he just went crazy, Peter chopped heads right and left, you can say he burned out at work after 52 years, Stalin wool nomenclature pull the country out of the swamp ... The war happened, otherwise the bureaucrats would have sent him to the grave earlier. Our highest officialdom of the ancient Greek hydra will give 100 points in advance! Remember Gogolev's "Examiner", nothing has changed - even the emperor, even the Provisional Government, even the general secretary, even the president ...
      1. Hunter 2 13 January 2020 06: 00 New
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        Well done, the main thing before Roman was marked by a curtsy! Well, ku - twice! laughing laughing good
        1. Finches 13 January 2020 06: 02 New
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          Yes, Roman is not a godfather to me, not a brother or a matchmaker ... I try to be objective - he sees and writes like that! Nobody here forbids you to spread your thoughts here? Or just a little rude ... hi
          1. WILL 13 January 2020 06: 07 New
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            Do you have thoughts and you can really influence something?
            It is interesting to listen to your “January” Theses! what
            1. Finches 13 January 2020 06: 11 New
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              What are you talking about? I all I wanted to say about this article - wrote in a post!
              1. WILL 13 January 2020 06: 18 New
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                Well Duck you briefly state what you want. Early elections, People’s Riots or something ... I just want to hear the specifics from you, and not that you write from a comment to a comment!
                I just made such a conclusion from your words that you need to change something, right? Well Duck and write, What and How, what are you shy of?
                1. Finches 13 January 2020 06: 27 New
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                  I am for Socialism, but today our society is not ready for such radical changes, so nothing can be done. And under capitalism, to change the existing state of affairs - so that everything for the people would be utopia! The new big bourgeois are not interested in this. Those same 3% who concentrated all the assets of the Russian Federation, including political ones! Therefore, the illusion of a free society and democratic ideals will continue to be implanted from every iron! The people will be content with handouts and the notorious "stability" spitting out their irritation to the maximum on the Internet ... We do not have a civil society and there is no consensus of views how Russia should develop further! Which way to go! And until a Western-style society develops, or most of it does not understand that Socialism is good for Russia, we will continue to live — both good and bad! Though Putin will be president, even Jesus Christ! Here you have the first thesis - we need a unifying idea! Or such a cataclysm that sweeps these 3% into oblivion ... and this, God forbid, is a large-scale war!
                  1. WILL 13 January 2020 06: 34 New
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                    Which should be proved ... a lot and no specifics! Thanks for that too. lol
                    1. Finches 13 January 2020 06: 37 New
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                      As I understand it, you just want to get an ulcer ... You don’t need to plague a lot of mind! Keep up the good work, it makes me neither hot nor cold! Special person! laughing
                      1. WILL 13 January 2020 06: 43 New
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                        Well, if you do not recognize the existing system, then accordingly there are two ways:
                        1. Political struggle
                        2. Change of residence
                        You have chosen the third option, chatter! Actually, as required.
                        Well then you changed your words ... that you do not recognize the existing system?
                      2. Finches 13 January 2020 06: 50 New
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                        Well, firstly, just a couple of months since I quit the Armed Forces - therefore, I could not in any way change my place of citizenship or participate in the political struggle! This is the first! And secondly, in Russia today there is not a single left-wing political force that I would support - this is the second! And thirdly, here I am doing the same thing at VO as you do - I express my point of view on this or that issue! So if you use your terminology, then you are here not less than mine! Without any benefit and specifics!
                      3. WILL 13 January 2020 06: 52 New
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                        Do not recognize the existing system - your words?
                        Which you bashfully deleted while typing your answer ...
                      4. Finches 13 January 2020 06: 53 New
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                        I do not recognize capitalism as a form of political and economic formation! This is an existing system today - I do not agree with it! What is the problem then?
                      5. Snail N9 13 January 2020 07: 27 New
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                        Country-Sur. Where the actions of politicians always have some kind of perverse logic, leading to the opposite result, expected by the majority, of the common people:

                      6. nils 13 January 2020 10: 05 New
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                        Quote: Snail N9
                        Country-Sur. Where the actions of politicians always have some kind of perverse logic, leading to the opposite result, expected by the majority, of the common people

                        Nothing surprises people after the election as their own choice.

                        Conscious Russian billionaires will do everything possible so that after lowering real wages and pensions, the average income in the country does not decrease.

                        Riddle: do not eat, do not drink, but constantly grow?
                        Answer: Prices.

                        The more cheerful and cheerful the television, the more disturbing the soul.

                        Again empty talk
                        Don't make ends meet ...
                        Thieves teach us an honest life
                        And nobility - scoundrels.

                      7. Lexus 13 January 2020 15: 21 New
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                        He will tell the people again that
                        "Life is a difficult thing", painting, Vasya Lozhkin (Alexey Kudelin), A wonderful folk artist
                    2. Stas157 13 January 2020 12: 25 New
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                      we fought, fought for higher incomes, and now we fight poverty

                      It turns out already and there is no hope for an increase in income ... if only they would not bring to poverty!
                    3. Lexus 13 January 2020 15: 26 New
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                      Noteworthy is the choice of the date of "appeal". And, since it’s a Basurman holiday, it means that one should not expect anything good from declarations of “love”, except promises to the “process”.
                    4. Krasnodar 13 January 2020 17: 45 New
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                      Quote: Stas157
                      we fought, fought for higher incomes, and now we fight poverty

                      It turns out already and there is no hope for an increase in income ... if only they would not bring to poverty!

                      Raising our income is to Don Trump. Why didn’t he smash John? Now oil would rise - beauty laughing
                    5. 1970mk 13 January 2020 23: 15 New
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                      What income? The increase in income concerns only a narrow group of people .... The rest "on the ears" ... it amazes that no one remembers the speech of the Leader ..
                    6. Krasnodar 13 January 2020 23: 34 New
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                      With the increase in oil, incomes increase for everyone, because growing economy - explain. more details?
                    7. 1970mk 14 January 2020 00: 47 New
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                      With the increase in oil, incomes increase for everyone, because growing economy - explain. more details?

                      What kind of oil? Putin from 2011 to 2018 predicted a rejection of the commodity economy..industry ... 25 million high-paying jobs ... Spoke? Video speech to give?
                      He said a lot of things)))))
                    8. Krasnodar 14 January 2020 00: 55 New
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                      When did you have more income, now or in 2014?
                    9. Guru 14 January 2020 21: 35 New
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                      When did you have more income, now or in 2014?

                      In 2014, I received 35 rubles, now I get 000 rubles. The US dollar in 35 was worth 000 rubles, now 2014.
                      Do you think my income has increased, remained the same or decreased,?
                      And as a result, in 2014 I gave 1 rubles for a basket of products, and now 000 rubles.
                    10. Krasnodar 14 January 2020 21: 41 New
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                      Decreased)) by PPP. I have declined in absolute numbers. In multiples.
                2. smart ass 14 January 2020 15: 48 New
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                  Aha refused the raw material economy and rejoiced over the whole launch of the northern Turkish stream)))
              2. Xenofont 14 January 2020 00: 52 New
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                Do not bother. The price of gasoline is rising: that's just what is objective!
              3. dirk182 14 January 2020 15: 02 New
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                my salary does not notice fluctuations in the cost of oil ....
          2. Victor N 14 January 2020 14: 48 New
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            Who can increase YOUR income? It never occurred to me, only he tried. I think that’s why he’s still alive and not in poverty. What I wish you.
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            Cost reduction boosts revenue
      2. Captain45 14 January 2020 02: 06 New
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        Quote: Snail N9
        Country-Sur. Where the actions of politicians always have some kind of perverse logic,

        This is not a country of sur, it is a sur of commentators who always try to find some kind of perverted logic, obviously based on their own perverted logic or life. Well, these are their problems. The question is why do they load their perverted problems onto another, not perverted brain? Probably breathing alone is boring?
    2. Mestny 13 January 2020 09: 33 New
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      No problem. Some believe that the Earth is actually flat, and they do not recognize everything else.
      The main thing on the basis of such beliefs is not to lead anyone anywhere, and to do nothing.
      That would not break anything, at least what works.
    3. Krasnodar 13 January 2020 17: 43 New
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      Soviet-style socialism sucks. To rebuild it is tantamount to simply finishing off the country.
    4. Vitalian 13 January 2020 19: 54 New
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      Quote: Krasnodar
      Soviet-style socialism sucks. To rebuild it is tantamount to simply finishing off the country.

      Like you, socialism is like a bone in the throat .. You have achieved your goal (the Soviet Union ruined the ruins), but you continue to hate Russia and destroy it from the inside so that it never will be reborn .. Do not you love Equality!
      You are the "chosen ones" ..
      Late we realized this alas ..
    5. wchin 13 January 2020 20: 08 New
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      Quote: Vitalian
      You do not love Equality!

      Equality in the outside world is nowhere. What is reasonable, what is simply organic (and inorganic too) world. He was not in the USSR.
      And those who believe in Equality are simply low-ranking individuals limited in terms of mental activity. Which under conditions of intraspecific competition degrade to the level of losers. That is why such individuals need “equality”.
    6. Vitalian 13 January 2020 20: 42 New
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      Quote: wchin
      Equality in the outside world is nowhere. What is reasonable, what is simply organic (and inorganic too) world. He was not in the USSR.

      It was, before taking a post, it was necessary to go through all the steps in the Army and in power !!! everyone had equal opportunities (there were thieves, but this is already in certain circles, especially on TV and the media))))
      Natural selection was on an equal footing, and from the provinces even preference was ....
      Now in Moskvabad, only faces are sitting and their children are already being pulled up ..
      Only new forgives are needed. Fresh .. Is that so?
    7. Fan-fan 13 January 2020 21: 06 New
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      I agree, there was more equality in the USSR and justice than now.
    8. wchin 13 January 2020 21: 46 New
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      Quote: Fan-Fan
      There was more equality in the USSR and justice than now.

      The USSR ended badly. If you forgot.
    9. Fan-fan 13 January 2020 21: 55 New
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      But this does not negate the fact that there was more equality and justice there. And why it fell apart is another question and do not interfere with a bunch of different questions, the conversation was about equality.
    10. wchin 13 January 2020 22: 10 New
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      Quote: Fan-Fan
      But this does not negate the fact that there was more equality and justice there.

      Equality in poverty?
      May be. But who needs such equality?
      Justice? Where did justice come from in the USSR?
      You’ll, like everyone else, walk in formation, you will have "justice." You will stick out, the head will be torn down. It was not justice, it was "Soviet justice." Ersatz justice.
  2. Captain45 14 January 2020 00: 47 New
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    Quote: Fan-Fan
    I agree, there was more equality in the USSR and justice than now.

    Have you lived in the USSR and at least became an instructor of the CPSU Civil Code? belay
  3. wchin 13 January 2020 21: 46 New
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    Quote: Vitalian
    everyone had equal opportunities

    Have you heard a Soviet joke about the son of a general and the son of a marshal?
    Quote: Vitalian
    Now in Moskvabad, only faces are sitting and their children are already being pulled up ..

    All over the world descendants are pulled along. And in developed countries, they live very well.
    So that’s not the point.
  4. Krasnodar 13 January 2020 20: 12 New
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    Shalom, Vitaliy
    These are the things in the tank forces of the Northern Fleet - with Soviet equality, an engineer received 120 rubles a month, and a worker - from 180 laughing
  5. cradle 15 January 2020 05: 00 New
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    no one prevented the engineer from becoming a worker, but this did not happen en masse ... say why? Patamusha, a worker until retirement, remained a worker (albeit with the 6th grade, but this is the ceiling), and the engineer could break out to be the boss and it would become tastier ... wise, right? Therefore, skilled workers were enough. And now find a normal welder ... good luck in this hopeless endeavor ... These NAXs can be taken to the toilet, there will be more benefit. And so in everything ... menagers rule. And how many of them are menagers? Who neither became good managers (Patamusha did not start a career from the bottom and do not understand production, or this understanding comes with big years), nor good engineers (Patamusha education system was imprisoned under the Bologna (not understandable and harmful)), nor good workers (therefore how to work in Russia - "not a royal matter" and the system of vocational education also sank). We have a "personnel deadlock" ... it seems like there are free hands and I DO NOT WORK FOR ANYONE. In the country of the Soviets there were a lot of jobs and those who wanted to work hard and EARN, work hard and EARN. Those who wanted to "maintain health" worked as one. same grassroots engineer, for a lower salary. I think that was fair. Yes, you could unlearn and go to scientific work, and there you will get quite bold. But for this it was not enough to get just a tower - multi-stage education. A worker for his slightly higher salary than that of an ordinary engineer paid for his health, as a rule. All honestly. hi
  6. Vadim237 13 January 2020 20: 25 New
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    So, Russia will have an annual GDP of not 100 trillion rubles, but 300 then there will be socialism, but what happened in the USSR - when from the 60s they held 120 countries of the world at their own expense, the growing deficit in everything was not socialism, but pure idiocy .
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    Absolutely.
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    Quote: Vadim237
    That will be in Russia annual GDP

    A country's GDP to its wealth often does not matter at all.
    For example, Russia owns only about 15,5% of its GDP. The rest is NOT HER property. This is just property produced on its territory. And that’s all.
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    Quote: Vadim237
    So, Russia will have an annual GDP of not 100 trillion rubles, but 300 then there will be socialism, but what happened in the USSR - when from the 60s they held 120 countries of the world at their own expense, the growing deficit in everything was not socialism, but pure idiocy .

    Young man, yes be an annual GDP of at least 500 trillion rubles, according to heh ... drum. The issue is not the amount of money, but specifically who and in whose interests distributes this profit. This is pure political economy. Write about what you have no idea.
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    If it is 300 trillion then salaries will all grow three times and most importantly everyone will have work. And distribution - in a market economy, you can forget this word, how much you have done and received under the contract, and at the rate - your decision to work for it.
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  12. smart ass 14 January 2020 15: 50 New
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    Phew, how many hatreds did Silouans come in?
  13. Fan-fan 13 January 2020 21: 03 New
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    Good sucks, submarines and missiles did at such a pace that the West requested negotiations. And now in the defense industry, the rulers are struggling to preserve the treasures that they inherited from the USSR, to take the same “Satan”, extend the poor resource to it as they can, the developers of Satan did not think that it would stand idle for so many years.
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    Now, if the Aswan dams weren’t made any Americans who later turned over to the Americans at the expense of the standard of living of their own people, they wouldn’t have a price,
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    Well, the current government has forgiven these debts. So there are not very strong differences from those who built Aswan dams.
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    If foolishly try

    Quote: Fan-Fan
    tighter Satan to take

    - hands can tear. There are 100 tons somewhere, as people say.

    The same - in this case it is written differently. Damn you are non-Russian negative
  17. cradle 15 January 2020 05: 13 New
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    do not escalate with errors. We are here, we are not writing a dictation in Russian.
  18. Vadim237 14 January 2020 00: 55 New
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    As in the 60s in the USA, they could not even imagine that the B 52 bombers would serve until the 2040s. They also could not assume that the ICBM Minuteman of the 3 70th years of release would serve until 2045.
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    Quote: Krasnodar
    Soviet-style socialism sucks. To rebuild it is tantamount to simply finishing off the country.

    Socialism in the USSR ended in 1955.
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    And then they allowed private ownership of the instruments of production?
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    Quote: Krasnodar
    And then they allowed private ownership of the instruments of production?

    On the contrary. They have nationalized everything, including hairdressing salons and watch shops. Almost all collective farms were transferred to state farms.
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    That is, the remnants of capitalism were removed
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    That is, the remnants of capitalism were removed

    No. The remnants of socialism were removed, creating state-monopoly capitalism.
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    What is capitalism? Based on a planned economy with no extra cost? )))
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    What is capitalism? Based on a planned economy with no extra cost? )))

    I already wrote which one - state monopolistic.
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    This was precisely socialism in its purest form, which got rid of the vestiges of capitalism in the form of ownership of the instruments of production of watchmakers and hairdressers.))
  27. Nick 14 January 2020 02: 32 New
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    This was precisely socialism in its purest form, which got rid of the vestiges of capitalism in the form of ownership of the instruments of production of watchmakers and hairdressers.))

    You have problems with concepts. IN AND. Lenin defined socialism as a system of civilized cooperators. But in a cooperative, as you understand, property is not state-owned.
  28. Krasnodar 14 January 2020 02: 36 New
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    This is Lenin's definition of an intermediate stage towards building communism in a single country. Stalin and the leaders of the USSR who followed him had a different vision building socialism in a single country[i] [/ i]
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    no extra cost

    Ask any Soviet estimator what was hidden in the estimates under the magic letters of the joint venture and do not say anything more stupid.
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    Feudalism is over. And that is not completely.
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    I do not recognize capitalism as a form of political and economic formation! This is an existing system today - I do not agree with it! What is the problem then?
    Probably that you can offer nothing in return? I read about Socialism, but this is only a 9-letter word. It cannot be built now because no one can fill this word with content (program, an exact description of the economic model, political, defense model, etc.) Do you not call Socialism that rotten system that collapsed with a bang in the 91st ? From the wreckage of which we have not been able to crawl for 20 years.
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    Why 20? As we got into 91, so we can’t get out!
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    Yes, that's right. Almost 30. But this does not change the essence.
    The socialism that you want is just a slogan to which all "disagree with the capitalist system" refer. And until all those who disagree do not understand in detail what exactly they want, what exactly (in detail) they agree, they will continue to live in damned capitalism. And in this life I see the following options:
    - whining how bad everything is;
    - try to squeeze the maximum out of the existing;
    - try to change everything for the better.
    According to the latest version, I don’t see real characters. No, in Navalnovsky or in Mauvininsky style (“let me grab hold of power, and then I’m UH!”) There are a lot of talkers. But it’s realistic to build a viable and economically feasible model that differs from the existing one for the better, first theoretically, and then practically, I do not observe anything Vladimirov Ilyich. Probably, in Switzerland for now, everyone is developing a model underground. And they don’t tell anyone that there would be a surprise.
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    And where did I write, what do I want Socialism? And in general, I do not advocate anything - I am simply against the existing capitalism!
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    And where did I write, what do I want Socialism? And in general, I do not advocate anything - I am simply against the existing capitalism!

    To the point of Eugene !!!
    And they are trying to build us in a line, like many countries in the world .. Already with democratic slogans "already written (well, I won’t say where))))
    Russia either exists as an independent state, or it will not even be Russian at all .. hi
    Let them choose. If they have time ..
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    And where did I write, what do I want Socialism? And in general, I do not advocate anything - I am simply against the existing capitalism!

    Opachki and who wrote this? belay
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    I am for Socialism, God forbid, a large-scale war!

    Stop Lying and Dodging! What is the name of a person who is not responsible for his words? Correctly thought ... yes
    just balabolit not carry bags? negative
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    I am St. John's Wort and not the Flayer am Only Beasts - I seek out and shoot ... and Animals - I Love very much, feed them and Protect!
    Why ask something? If he answers ... then the comment will be deleted and rewritten, slippery ... although - completely harmless, so - the slogan to move. bully
    When will you pass the alien passport to us? hi
  40. Krasnodar 13 January 2020 23: 08 New
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    When it expires. Rent in the embassy - exchange for New laughing So, Mr. Zverolyub, I’m just wondering what model of socialism is supported by our colleague who has just removed his harness)).
  41. Finches 14 January 2020 05: 52 New
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    In general, I support the Socialist model of development, which Lenin described in his later works. Adjusted for modern realities! Whether you like it or not, I don’t care! Just as you should not care about my views! hi
  42. Finches 14 January 2020 05: 49 New
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    You also do not know how to read! Okay, you have some problems in general, but you could learn to read! laughing The question was raised about the various characteristics of the Socialist system, and I answered in general for Socialism! And would you try to write at least somehow reasonably - and not suffer from nonsense, clinging to words? But it seems to me that you simply have nothing to say sensible, here you are from yourself and writhe anyone! laughing
  43. Nick 14 January 2020 02: 19 New
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    But it’s realistic to build a viable and economically sound model that differs from the existing one for the better, first - theoretically,

    Here! Gold words! More I.V. Stalin talked about the problems of socialism, that without theory, we will die! And so it happened. Ingenious was a man.
  44. Finches 14 January 2020 05: 56 New
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    And what can capitalism offer and have already proposed - besides the terrible stratification of society and inequality? Pension increase, suggested! Total crediting and dependence on moneylenders suggested ... Uncertainty about tomorrow! And he staked out the rule that Jupiter is allowed, then the bull is not allowed ... What good did capitalism offer the bulk of Russia's population?
  45. Captain45 14 January 2020 02: 01 New
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    I do not recognize capitalism as a form of political and economic formation

    Unfortunately, the fact that you do not recognize it does not exclude its existence, even V.I. Lenin, it seems in 1912, wrote the work "Imperialism, as the highest stage of capitalism". Well ...... you can do the street, you can’t argue against the founder. request
  46. Finches 14 January 2020 05: 59 New
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    There is imperialism - why should not a nation, which is not small in Russia today, go further - to the next form of development - Socialism? The fact that the West has sucked in us - a model of a liberal-bourgeois system - leads to the loss of national self-consciousness and the transfer of all our wealth to Western tycoons! And you look through yourself - here I have a Ford focus on credit, an apartment on a mortgage and I can let me go to Turkey once a year, so I live well under capitalism ... Well, but only for the time being and basically by proxy!
  47. Den717 13 January 2020 12: 44 New
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    I literally a couple of months since I quit the Armed Forces - therefore I could not in any way change my place of citizenship or participate in the political struggle!

    Have you been deprived of political rights? As far as I remember, nobody forbade fighters to participate in elections. Itself participated ... Moreover, if the people do not support your craving for socialism, then, it turns out, you go against the people? No political party close to you? Create. Therefore, we are all sitting together and banging over an empty article, which can be replaced with one phrase - "we were deceived, we are all .....". Only he makes money on it, and let off steam ... laughing
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    Out of principle, I do not participate in a farce called elections since 1996 in principle, and I will not create anything! I just don't like it and I said that!
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    From principle, I do not participate in a farce called elections since 1996

    If you fundamentally do not want to participate actively somewhere, then do you have the right to discuss what others have done?
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    Quote: Den717
    If you basically do not want to be actively involved somewhere ....

    I'm sorry to participate in? In that?
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    I'm sorry to participate in? In that?

    This is your personal idea of ​​the process, which does not have an evidence base. Today everything is possible ... and nonsense is not punishable.
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    This is your personal idea of ​​the process, which does not have an evidence base.

    that is, do you think that Ksyusha Sobchak or other eligible serious presidential contenders?

    Is this an alternative? Grudinin scared? Just do not talk about his money, Sobchak in his own words has repeatedly violated the laws of the Russian Federation.
  53. NordUral 13 January 2020 20: 07 New
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    Grudinin was definitely scared, but managed to slander him.
  54. Fan-fan 13 January 2020 21: 11 New
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    Look at what school Grudinin built at his state farm:
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    What is a young zhirik in the photo. 30 years old?
    And according to Ksyusha (no, I'm not her supporter): what (the law) and with what words did she violate?
    Me for interest
  56. NordUral 13 January 2020 20: 06 New
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    It’s better to try to change the situation in the elections than to bay on the VO or from under the couch, Sylvester.
  57. balunn 14 January 2020 14: 53 New
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    In the last election in Moscow time, a group of comrades tried to go to the polls. What came out of it saw the whole country. It’s just that, in addition to pouring all kinds of obscenity into the ballot box, even the slightest opposition-minded nominees will stupidly not be allowed to go to the polls. But for some reason, few people from my circle vote for this party. Last: for anything but theirs. So who makes them votes?
  58. NordUral 14 January 2020 18: 21 New
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    Kirill! This allows cheating those who do not come to vote, thereby giving them their votes, which these crooks use.
    I constantly repeat this and that it is necessary to vote, even for different parties, for starters. But even this will prevent the election from being rigged, and it is more likely that the swindle will be removed from power, creating coalitions of patriots.
    But to sit quietly in the elections, and then cry in a vest that the guarantor deceived them and the like lamentations. The road is overpowered by the walking one, just like that!
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    Eugene, when in the elections you are given EP and an independent candidate who “left EP” 2 days before the start of the company, there is not much choice. All the rest are not allowed on formal grounds. Then choose not choose, you will still get EP. Here the election system itself needs to be changed.
  60. IS-80_RVGK2 13 January 2020 15: 47 New
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    If you fundamentally do not want to participate actively somewhere, then do you have the right to discuss what others have done?

    Why not? It’s not him, but you’ve made it with the elections.
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    And why not?

    But because those who have a "hut from the edge" do not deserve to be listened to, because he is nobody in this matter.
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    It’s not him, but you’ve made it with the elections.

    And where did you get that I adjusted? It’s not that I like everything, but with other candidates it could still be worse. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation with its sanguine Zyu did not even find a Communist candidate. And what do you want from this party? LDPR - commercial voices, as paid, will carry out such reforms. Go into anarchy. "Partners" are just waiting for this. Maybe I adjusted it, but you are not in a position to offer the best.
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    But because those who have a "hut from the edge" do not deserve to be listened to, because he is nobody in this matter.

    And those who make meaningless actions they deserve? smile
  63. Den717 13 January 2020 18: 22 New
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    And those who make meaningless actions they deserve?

    Yes, they deserve it. For even meaningless actions change something around, and inaction, even meaningful, is nothing. Moreover, meaninglessness is just your personal subjective assessment, which really costs nothing, because will die in your head in inaction.
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    Yes, they deserve it. For even meaningless actions change something around, and inaction, even meaningful, is nothing.

    Yeah. I understood you. Fools deserve respect, smart ones don't. laughing
  65. Den717 14 January 2020 09: 47 New
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    Fools deserve respect, smart ones don't.

    What is the use of clever thoughts if they are not realized in practice? The one whom you consider a "fool" may simply not be understood by you. But it is these people who are pushing progress. The bulk of the geniuses was not understood by contemporaries, but this does not detract from their greatness. An active inquiring mind will find the right solution, even if you have to go through the wrong ones as well, but alcohol does not flow under the speed bump .... laughing
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    The bulk of geniuses was not understood by contemporaries

    One hundred years ago, Lenin spoke very clearly about this. But some particularly clever geniuses still cannot understand in principle a complicated idea.
    Quote: Den717
    What is the use of clever thoughts if they are not realized in practice?

    From silly thoughts, is the effect in practice better?
  67. IS-80_RVGK2 14 January 2020 09: 30 New
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    Moreover, meaninglessness is only your personal subjective assessment.

    If, if ... The election under capitalism is when you choose a person who will protect the interests of capital. At what, mostly large. Therefore, if you are not a capitalist, even cast a ball over the result will be a fig. And life has repeatedly shown this. But in your case, apparently for the future this sad experience does not go.
  68. Den717 14 January 2020 09: 39 New
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    Elections under capitalism .....

    Democracy is a poor form of government, but humanity hasn’t come up with anything better (W. Churchill)
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    Democracy is a poor form of government, but humanity hasn’t come up with anything better (W. Churchill)

    And what does it have to do with it? And yet, yes, power is not among the people, but among the bourgeoisie. But the bourgeoisie is not the whole nation, but its smaller part.
  70. Den717 14 January 2020 10: 27 New
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    But the bourgeoisie is not the whole nation, but its smaller part.

    Then fight for power. Go to the polls, including by observers, if there is any doubt about their honesty. Do you consider a principled sit-out at home a more intelligent position? Or is it easier to broadcast from the outside?
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    Then fight for power. Go to the polls

    It seems that I'm talking to the wall. Did you even read what I wrote? Or is it my third time to tell you the same facts?
    Quote: Den717
    Do you consider a principled sit-out at home a more intelligent position? Or is it easier to broadcast from the outside?

    Who cares? What am I going, what not. If the result is the same. More likely, on the contrary, if the majority had not gone, then at least something would have changed. And so ... You only create the appearance of a fair fight and legitimize this profanity.
  72. Den717 14 January 2020 11: 21 New
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    Who cares? What am I going, what not.

    It remains only to hide in a corner and cry over your fate laughing
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    You only create the appearance of a fair fight and legitimize this profanity.

    And if you lowered your hands and sit in a corner, then what's the difference - is this profanity legitimate or not? One hell you do not want to influence it. Accept it in any form with your tacit consent. wassat
  73. IS-80_RVGK2 14 January 2020 11: 37 New
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    It remains only to hide in a corner and cry over your fate

    Of course an active stupid initiative is better. Yeah.
    Quote: Den717
    And if you lowered your hands and sit in a corner, then what's the difference - is this profanity legitimate or not? One hell you do not want to influence it. Accept it in any form with your tacit consent.

    No, you are simply impenetrable in your stubborn stupidity. Elections will not change anything even for Zyuganov vote, at least for the trump. Just because the bourgeoisie will not allow money and power to be taken from it. What is incomprehensible here? Well, what is incomprehensible then ?! The only working option now is to simply boycott the election. Although of course it would be desirable to organize further protests. But here I really do not hope. And yes, adequate requirements are needed. And not like - "Return the pension back!"
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    Of course an active stupid initiative is better. Yeah.

    This is your personal assessment. Not the fact that true.
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    Just because the bourgeoisie will not allow

    That is, you assume so?
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    The only working option now is to simply boycott the election.

    What result do you expect? What should it bring?
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    And yes, adequate requirements are needed. And not like - "Return the pension back!"

    Does someone have to develop requirements too? And after all you come out, all in white, and proclaim - is he me, hegemon?
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    This is your personal assessment. Not the fact that true.

    Your hard case. Hand face.
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    That is, you assume so?

    No, damn it. I don’t guess. Well then it comes to you so tightly. Well, I’ll come home to you tomorrow and say give all your money to me, they are more necessary and give the tools and the car. Do you gladly agree to this? So the bourgeoisie will still disagree. Like a child, by golly.
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    What result do you expect? What should it bring?

    At least some concessions. The support of the people is extremely important now to those in power.
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    Does someone have to develop requirements too?

    Coordination Council of the Left. At least those who are now playing leftism. With a black sheep, even a tuft of wool.
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    And after all you come out, all in white, and proclaim - is he me, hegemon?

    What the hegemon is fucking? Are you out of your mind? Now the situation is extremely difficult in the communist movement. In fact, it was discarded in the 19th century. There is at least something to get as a result. Or do you think I'm preparing a revolution here?
  76. Den717 14 January 2020 16: 20 New
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    Your hard case. Hand face.

    Well, that is, you yourself have appropriated the right to determine smart and stupid.
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    No, damn it. I don’t guess. Well then it comes to you so tightly. Well, I’ll come to your house tomorrow and say give all your money to me ...

    And will you get there? .... Do you think that will happen as you expect. And if it does not, then what? You say that the bourgeoisie will not allow. Khodorkovsky also thought to prevent it, and what happened to him? Deripaska rested and showed that he didn’t care at all, but they took him and bent him on the TV .... So you’ll "not allow it."
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    At least some concessions. The support of the people is extremely important now to those in power.

    Is this in response to the boycott of the election? Boycott - is this some part that did not come to the polls? Who would notice her ?! About you, boycotters, your feet will be wiped out and they will not notice who you are and where to look for you.
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    Coordination Council of the Left. At least those who are now playing leftism. With a black sheep, even a tuft of wool.

    And pretend to be smart !!! Yes, all these “type of leftists” (apples from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and others) cannot agree with each other, what kind of coordination council is there ?! Oh, what EBN and Gorbachev were communists, but they sold the country and drank the rest ... Zyu passed his own elections cleanly .. Now who doesn’t need are left players ...
    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
    Now the situation is extremely difficult in the communist movement. In fact, it was discarded in the 19th century.

    And before that, until it was difficult, this movement of the USSR led to a dead end ... Show an example of the positive development of a country with communist ideology. For God's sake, do not touch China. You don’t want that communism. laughing People at the present stage of their development are not ready to meet communist requirements. We tried, it didn’t work. But everything is numb to you. And you call strangers stupid. What are you capable of? You are not able to formulate a thought, but you are trying to teach life there. Laughter on a stick ...
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    Well, that is, you yourself have appropriated the right to determine smart and stupid.

    It’s not my fault that you cannot be sarcasm.
    Quote: Den717
    And will you get there? .... Do you think that will happen as you expect. And if it does not, then what? You say that the bourgeoisie will not allow. Khodorkovsky also thought to prevent it, and what happened to him? Deripaska rested and showed that he didn’t care at all, but they took him and bent him on the TV .... So you’ll "not allow it."

    Do you even understand the difference between an individual representative of a class and an entire class?
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    Is this in response to the boycott of the election? Boycott - is this some part that did not come to the polls? Who would notice her ?! About you, boycotters, your feet will be wiped out and they will not notice who you are and where to look for you.

    Boycott, of course, not in two and a half digger. This should be a significant part of the population.
    Remember the previous election. Do you think for the sake of what all this show was arranged in Grudinin? For the sake of the people going to the polls. Authority is important legitimacy.
    Quote: Den717
    And pretend to be smart !!! Yes, all these “type of leftists” (apples from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and others) cannot agree with each other, what kind of coordination council is there ?! Oh, what EBN and Gorbachev were communists, but they sold the country and drank the rest ... Zyu passed his own elections cleanly .. Now who doesn’t need are left players ...

    And all those whom you mentioned are not leftists.
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    People at the present stage of their development are not ready to meet communist requirements.

    What kind of revolution did I tell you? So it’s hard for you to think outside the training manual that everything pulls to bring under its templates and constantly quote?
  78. Den717 14 January 2020 17: 38 New
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    And all those whom you mentioned are not leftists.

    Actually, they are from the Communist Party. What do you think they are?
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    Do you think for the sake of what all this show was arranged in Grudinin?

    For the sake of that, there was no one else to expose Zu. Communists for president move bourgeois! Precisely, a difficult time in the communist movement ...
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    Boycott, of course, not in two and a half digger.

    And in order to collect more, you need active party work, and you want to sit aside. You will not collect two. And if at the same time you will drown for the Communists, the last diggers will also run away from you.
    In short, you are not campaigning for a new life. So you will wander in reasoning - who is on the right, who is on the left, and the sense is zero.
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    So hard for you to think outside the training manual

    You will restore order in your head, and then we will discuss manuals.
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    Actually, they are from the CPSU.

    So what? We are in power to hell with the former kakbykommunisty.
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    What do you think they are?

    It is known who. The capitalists are pure water in the guise of communism.
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    For the sake of that, there was no one else to expose Zu.

    He could once again expose himself.
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    Communists for president move bourgeois!

    This fact confirms what I said. The communists are not there.
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    And in order to collect more, you need active party work, and you want to sit aside.

    No, you definitely don’t want to hear and understand me. I told you about what could be done now if adequate people were found. And so the maximum is that I can simply ignore the election. I'm realist. And I perfectly understand what is possible now and what is not.
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    In short, you are not campaigning for a new life.

    And I don’t agitate you. I express my opinion on the issue. And there you decide what you want and how you live.
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    No, you definitely don’t want to hear and understand me.

    Come on, drop it! I understand you perfectly. You are not a stupid person; you have ideas on how to equip Russia. But you do not see the ways of implementing ideas; you do not want to actively seek them. And all this upsets you. It happens. Do something down to earth and more accessible. For example, upgrade your skills and take a higher place with a larger salary. How do you like this idea? Once I was banned, so much time appeared, in the resulting free time I went through retraining useful for my work, sn grew up ..... Try it. laughing
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    But you do not see the ways of implementing ideas; you do not want to actively seek them.

    These are, by and large, not my ideas, for they lie on the surface and it is not difficult to think of them.
    What do you mean I do not want? I wish it. But there are desires, but there are opportunities.
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    But there are desires, but there are opportunities.

    What prevents us from actively chatting with friends and acquaintances, finding like-minded people among them, going to the polls as an observer and putting things in order in our precinct to prevent throws in, etc. violations, and in your microcosm to achieve justice? Those who want to do it will find an opportunity, those who don’t want to find an excuse.
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    What prevents us from actively chatting with friends and acquaintances, finding like-minded people among them, going to the polls as an observer and putting things in order in our precinct to prevent throws in, etc. violations, and in your microcosm to achieve justice? Those who want to do it will find an opportunity, those who don’t want to find an excuse.

    There is safety in numbers. Yes, there are more reasons like health problems.
    Quote: Den717
    Those who want to do it will find an opportunity, those who don’t want to find an excuse.

    Yes Yes. Want to become president. Find an opportunity. laughing
  84. Den717 16 January 2020 18: 15 New
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    There is safety in numbers. Yes, there are more reasons like health problems.

    Well, it started !!! Does the rest of the world sprinkle with health? Are you typing? Communicate, then you can ...
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    Yes Yes. Want to become president. Find an opportunity.

    President, of course, is difficult winked But I am accumulating successes. I am glad for this, which allows me to bear some surprises from the authorities.
  85. IS-80_RVGK2 16 January 2020 18: 29 New
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    Well, it started !!! Does the rest of the world sprinkle with health? Are you typing? Communicate, then you can ...

    This is not enough unfortunately. Need more. And health is not the only reason.
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    It’s difficult for the president, of course, but I am accumulating successes. I am glad for this, which allows me to transfer some surprises from the authorities.

    I communicate with people and see what a wild mess they have in their heads and a misunderstanding of often the simplest things. And the worst persistent reluctance to think and analyze the situation. It is good if one in a hundred is more or less adequate. With such a proportion, it’s not that you won’t make a revolution, you won’t even organize an elementary strike or boycott. Plus, people do not live so badly. Many still remember the 90s and this is an additional factor preventing us from moving everything in the right direction. And like a cherry on a cake, guards of all stripes. Often quite intelligent. And leading very skilled demagogic propaganda for our fast-moving, import-substituting, correct capitalism.
  86. Den717 16 January 2020 19: 25 New
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    With such a proportion, it’s not that you won’t make a revolution, you won’t even organize an elementary strike or boycott. Plus, people do not live so badly. Many still remember the 90s and this is an additional factor preventing us from moving everything in the right direction.

    You are an interesting person! There are health problems. But do you want to make a revolution, or at least strike !? I want so much that there is regret that people live better than you would like, because they do not want revolutions .... Especially remembering life in the 90s. Here they remember how they lived in the 90s, but you do not. Or were you so good then that you would like to return them? That is, you, as a true Trotskyist, are not interested in the final result, in the form of a person’s standard of living. Even with a not very good state of health, do you still want to be in a turbulent revolutionary stream? I think people with such "interests" should be buried under a number plate ... Sorry for the directness ...
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    You are an interesting person! There are health problems. But do you want to make a revolution, or at least strike !? I want so much that there is regret that people live better than you would like, because they do not want revolutions ....

    So you don’t understand and again try to fit me into your templates. And again it will not work. I do not regret that people live better. I regret that such a life prevents them from properly looking at the surrounding reality.
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    Especially remembering life in the 90s. Here they remember how they lived in the 90s, but you do not.

    I perfectly remember what was happening then.
    Quote: Den717
    That is, you, as a true Trotskyist, are not interested in the final result, in the form of a person’s standard of living.

    Oh, templates again. For some reason, this is your idea of ​​the Communists as people who dream of revolution for the sake of revolution. Let me not attribute your ideas about your imaginary communists to me.
    Quote: Den717
    I think people with such "interests" should be buried under a number plate ... Sorry for the directness ...

    And even shot and buried already. Well done. You don’t even understand that you’re fighting not with me, but with the development trends of humanity. And it is useless. No matter how the feudal monarchists tried to fight the bourgeoisie in the end, they eventually lost. So you lose too. It doesn’t matter when after 50 years, after 100. It is a pity only for lost resources and time. And the fact that I already probably will not see this. smile
  88. Den717 16 January 2020 20: 48 New
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    You don’t even understand that you’re fighting not with me, but with the development trends of humanity

    If nobody supports you. You yourself say you are alone in the field, then what is the trend in FIG? What are you dreaming about here ?! What patterns did you find with me? After all, I'm talking about what follows from what you wrote! Or do you yourself do not understand what you are writing?
    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
    I do not regret that people live better. I regret that such a life prevents them from properly looking at the surrounding reality.

    So you regret that people cannot look at the world correctly or not? Scream. You manage to contradict yourself in two sentences. You violate the elementary law of formal logic. Yes, a political fighter will not work out of you !!! laughing You better not even try to discuss political issues. You need to get a little bit in the theory of rhetoric, for starters ...
  89. IS-80_RVGK2 16 January 2020 21: 54 New
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    And where is the contradiction?
  90. Den717 16 January 2020 21: 58 New
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    And where is the contradiction?

    Makar, logic, like rhetoric, is a scientific discipline. Within VO there is no way to explain their basics to you. Just take a word, they can be studied without much effort, but obviously not in the format of discussions on the military review site.
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    That is, you cannot explain. In principle, it was expected.
  92. Den717 17 January 2020 05: 51 New
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    That is, you cannot explain.

    Not that I can’t. I do not consider it appropriate to teach you something. This is a matter for other authorities. We are just in different conceptual and logical systems.
  93. IS-80_RVGK2 17 January 2020 16: 24 New
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    We are just in different conceptual and logical systems.

    I think you yourself understand that you tried to be clever and screwed up. Shitty with your logic, shitty. Humanities probably. laughing
  94. Finches 13 January 2020 15: 49 New
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    Do you think your voice is deciding something? And where did you see me discussing someone in my posts? I wrote that I do not like capitalism, under which nothing can be done for the people - the very essence of the system does not provide for this!
  95. NordUral 13 January 2020 20: 09 New
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    One vote does not decide, but the voice of the whole people still decides.
  96. balunn 14 January 2020 14: 56 New
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    The oligarchic system and the capitalist are somewhat different concepts. In our case, most likely oligarchic.
  97. NordUral 13 January 2020 20: 04 New
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    But this is in vain, Eugene! I myself thought so, but realized that I was wrong. Now I vote and I will vote. Only in this way can they be kicked out of the country until they have completely ruined it. Or another October, but I really do not want this. We can survive another bloody meat grinder, and the "partners" of the "guarantor", taking into account the lessons of the past, will not be left behind.
    So only a universal popular vote. And enlightenment naive that believe in this and his entourage.
  98. Finches 13 January 2020 20: 12 New
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    The voice of the people will undoubtedly decide! Here you are absolutely right!
  99. Fan-fan 13 January 2020 21: 17 New
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    I support and urge you to vote because the other way is revolution, a bad way. Only it is necessary not to disperse forces, it is necessary to choose one candidate and vote for him. Otherwise, turmoil again in Russia, the risk is great.
  100. IS-80_RVGK2 14 January 2020 09: 59 New
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    I support and urge to vote

    In the swamp your vote. It does not solve anything.
    Quote: Fan-Fan
    because the other way is revolution, the bad way.

    And there is no other way.
  101. IS-80_RVGK2 14 January 2020 09: 57 New
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    Now I vote and I will vote.

    It's pointless. Lenin wrote about this. A hundred years have passed. And the people are still naive and nichrome does not understand anything.
  102. Captain45 14 January 2020 01: 57 New
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    Well, firstly, just a couple of months since I left the Armed Forces - therefore, I could not in any way change my place of citizenship or participate in the political struggle

    Comrade Zyablintsev, and from your previous comments I had the impression that you have been at least 3-4 years old as if you were retired. Sorry if misunderstood. I’ve been on the site for a long time, old already, maybe senility. what
  103. Finches 14 January 2020 06: 10 New
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    This is not difficult to verify - if you take and read my comments a little earlier! hi And so he only just became civil to the full extent of the word - while the holidays were spent, yes! But 25 years - no complaints! Pension as a whole is not bad, not the smallest tariff category and title + teaching and administrative activities at the university ... I can now allow myself to freely express my opinion on the political structure of the country at the HE! laughing The only thing I will say is that, despite the shortcomings, I respect the Supreme with great respect - I am comparing the army of the beginning, the mid-90s and now in terms of material support, etc. I will say frankly that a lot has been done for the officers! Here are the insides of the army itself — here, yes — the kindergarten has become too much! But probably these are the realities of our time!
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    The only thing I will say is that, despite the shortcomings, I respect the Supreme with great respect - I am comparing the army of the beginning, the mid-90s and now in terms of material support, etc. I will say frankly that a lot has been done for the officers!

    This is true. But here altruism and patriotism are probably not here practically from the word “absolutely”. Just with a shitty army, you will not be able to protect your capital from dear friends and partners.
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    Well, such a point of view may also have the right to objectivity, although I would like to hope that the GDP was guided all the same by other considerations! I liked his determination in the second Chechen company, compared with the first - when he reigned at first with hatred, and then overt treason paid for by the blood of soldiers and officers!
  106. New Year day 13 January 2020 15: 44 New
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    There are two ways out:
    1. Political struggle
    2. Change of residence

    in our country, your first item looks like this ...
  107. You see, ANCHOR, not only delicate Zyablitsov ... Among the members of the forum there are a lot of educated, tactful people ... He is such a Russian people ... not flashy. Why should we shout? What for? What was written on the Great Coat of Arms of the Republic of Ingushetia? ,, God is with us! ,, And if He is with us, then He Himself will rule everything. Although we, human people, should not sleep on the go. We must clearly state our position, clearly take the side of Good. In ordinary nonhumans, k u r and t about r known for millennia. For power, for money, for pleasure, hydrogen sulfide creatures (Ukrainian.) Are not really people, not people, not people. We, PEOPLE, can’t hug with them, don’t kiss, like Brezhnev and Honecker ... NO. We want to live with dignity, they want to drive us to an electronic concentration camp ... They dirtied the country with INNs, filthy sixes, pentagrams, advertisements on CROSSES (!) at pharmacies ... Cards, cards everywhere, cameras on every corner, access to phones, other gadgets (like this FREEDOM, like this XXI century!). People for nonhumans are consumables. In the DIRECT sense. This must be clearly understood. And how to fix this? It really depends on each person. You, specifically, YOU have changed! Start leading a healthy lifestyle, without this you have nothing to do in the temple! Like in the army! Not no one, that’s one day off, but by running to the temple, become a clever parishioner (and not a ,, parishioner ,,) . Correct yourself, then, Kunyaev, and .... others you will correct. And GOD will be with us! And then .... ,, how the smoke disappears, let it disappear ,,. .... About 110 years ago, the Russian rich respected, Rolls-Royce,, model, Silver Ghost,. Such a painting - it was possible to look, the engine worked - the coin put on the edge did not fall ... Where are they, then Russian-speaking ,, masters of life ,,? Where are the Rolls Royces? ,, What is great in front of people is an abomination to God ,,. Such ,, January theses ,, if you want. Happy New Year! God bless you! Roman - special thanks for the sensible article
  108. Aibolit 13 January 2020 23: 19 New
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    What are you writing here for?
    Every soul may be submissive to the highest authorities, for there is no authority not from God; the existing authorities from God are established. Therefore, those who oppose power oppose God's establishment. And those who oppose themselves will bring judgment upon themselves
    (Rom. 13: 1-2). Apostle Paul?
  109. Captain45 14 January 2020 01: 51 New
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    There are two ways out:
    1. Political struggle

    One question - What do you mean by political struggle? Please explain and perhaps I will be the first to lead a hundred more people under your slogans!
  110. Revival 13 January 2020 10: 45 New
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    No. Apparently (especially the emphasis in the text), he needs you to openly support the idea of ​​riots and so on.
    And he will carefully record and save it further according to the algorithm ...
  111. Finches 13 January 2020 15: 50 New
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    He does just that!
  • Wolverine 13 January 2020 14: 14 New
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    Which should be proved ... a lot and no specifics! Thanks for that too. lol
    Alexei, why are you so nervous? Everyone’s opinion on the forum is valuable, including yours, it personifies the general mood in society, and you won’t hear the specifics anywhere until people unite in a single fist and a single idea.
  • New Year day 13 January 2020 15: 41 New
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    a lot and no specifics!

    question: what is the specifics of GDP and its results, although it has a lot of words?
    1. NordUral 13 January 2020 20: 20 New
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      If you swap white and black, then everything is specific to disgust.
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    need a unifying idea!

    This is what Putin needs to address at the message to the Federal Assembly!
    1. Snarkxnumx 13 January 2020 08: 13 New
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      "need a unifying idea!"
      I'm tired, I'm leaving.
      1. Mestny 13 January 2020 09: 34 New
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        You come together, and in chorus, in chorus.
        Suddenly it will work?
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        You come together, and in chorus, in chorus.

        We get together and leave. Together with the territory. wink
      3. Mestny 13 January 2020 10: 26 New
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        No, the territory will not work. Here we are besides you, and not only us.
        You don’t think that we will just give everything to you?
      4. Ingvar 72 13 January 2020 10: 40 New
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        Quote: Mestny
        You don’t think that we will just give everything to you?

        There is a majority, and there is a minority. Therefore, no one will ask you. Eat yourself like Cuban immigrants. You are less than five percent, those who are satisfied with the comprador system.
      5. Mestny 13 January 2020 10: 46 New
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        I have other information.
        What is it you just 5%.
        Your truth is against mine.
      6. NordUral 13 January 2020 20: 28 New
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        In the election of the governor of St. Petersburg on my site by 19-40 (for those who are dull especially - closing at 20-00) on my page in the magazine THREE people out of about 20-25 voted with me.
        So count the percentage, Sergey, if you know how to do it in accordance with the rules of arithmetic.
        Ever since I started voting a few years ago, I always come before the closure of the polls.
      7. Fan-fan 13 January 2020 21: 24 New
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        Here damn it, and I came to dinner in the last election, so I was the only one on the list on the page. I also thought, where are the people?
      8. Finches 14 January 2020 06: 15 New
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        So tell me - for whom it was necessary to vote? And so the Begles passed like that! I decided to go, spitting on the principle, the elections are local, vote for Bortko - but he merged! And Petersburg lives in a different rhythm of life - no one thinks about the future - not before the elections! There is at least some political fuss in Moscow - in our Cradle of the three revolutions there is complete political apathy! Where is the historical front of our city ??
      9. NordUral 14 January 2020 11: 22 New
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        And this, Eugene, the second half of the problem is the lack of a cohesive leadership of the patriotic opposition or, as a compromise, the union of all patriotic forces. And also - such Cossacks, like Bortko.
        Yes, and the Communist Party must change, starting from the top. Zyuganov is an opportunist, nothing good will come of him.
      10. Finches 14 January 2020 16: 46 New
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        In Zyuganov, I was disappointed in 1996 just when he lay down under Yeltsin! Grudinin - I don’t know! His bourgeois biography does not inspire confidence, Platoshkin drew himself with his New Socialism, we must take a closer look!
  • Fan-fan 13 January 2020 21: 22 New
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    There are always fewer thieves and embezzlers than honest people.
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    You don’t think that we will just give everything to you?

    We don’t think ... There are many reasons for selling ...
  • NordUral 13 January 2020 20: 22 New
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    Don’t think, Mestny, don’t worry so much. We know that acquired by "overwork" just so your top will not give up.
  • Fan-fan 13 January 2020 21: 20 New
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    Whoever stole must give. That's why we hope that the other president, through the "organs", will ask everyone: where did he get the palace, land, a yacht, an airplane, etc.
  • 24rus 13 January 2020 11: 41 New
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    I'm tired, I change the system
  • Lexus 13 January 2020 15: 45 New
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    "I'm changing the name of the country and will be its first president for life."
    So more precisely.
  • balunn 14 January 2020 14: 59 New
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    It’s time for him to retire
  • Squelcher 13 January 2020 07: 23 New
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    Can do without radical changes? In Grazhdanskaya, they covered the whole country with blood, tearing the veins during industrialization, constantly catching up, but did not overtake the decaying west, in the end they came to what they started on .. (You can blame Gorbachev and Yeltsin, but they are not the only ones to blame)
    Meanwhile, without cataclysms, some capitalist countries came to Socialism in a natural way, and the level of social life was lifted by many capitalist countries to a higher level.
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      You know very little history, otherwise you would be aware that the middle class in the West appeared precisely as an alternative to the USSR in the late 60s and early 70s. and it’s quite natural that now they’re slowly “covering” it as unnecessary.
      1. Squelcher 13 January 2020 08: 40 New
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        Ok, let’s say I don’t know the story or can I give in to propaganda? What is Soviet and what is liberal. Maybe then tell me the answer to the historical question of why most European countries. (The USA and Asia is a separate conversation), in everyday and social terms, we lived better than we did in different historical and political periods? What about the Kaiser, kings, emperors, general secretaries, presidents?
        Maybe we should pay attention to ourselves my behavior and attitude?
        But is it not stupid to blame everything on the tsar, officials, the Secretary General, the Communist Party, Putin, or a united Russia or Chubais? Rulers, officials, inventors, even gopniks are a product of our society.
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        Stupidly blame all power - this is our behavior.
        And no arguments are valid. Already for centuries. All the same, rebellion, devastation, war and poverty. "Loot the loot"
        That’s exactly what our “partners” reckon on.
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        And no arguments are valid. Already for centuries. All the same, rebellion, devastation, war and poverty. "Loot the loot"

        Everything is easy to prevent even now. Change the vector of economic development, instead of privatization, nationalize the mining and manufacturing industries. Introduce the death penalty for theft of state property and corruption. Introduce total responsibility for their work, and make it inevitable for everyone.
        And I do not urge to change the system - you can find a compromise by implementing the Chinese type of development of the state. hi
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        Have you been to China? What kind of pensions are there in the villages?
      5. Fan-fan 13 January 2020 21: 41 New
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        In China, pensions are small, but in Denmark, for example, 10 times more than ours, and in France the minimum pension is 1000 euros. If to equal, then to the advanced countries, you would still be compared with Somalia.
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      The main thing is to build communism.

      I’ll specially repeat for you - I do not urge to change the system. wink
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      What are you calling for? Change power to another, good?
      So good for anyone, again. Good for everyone - not work out.
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      What are you calling for? Change power to another, good?

      And this power is weak to change the development vector?
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      How do you imagine it, this vector? Can you describe literally in 3 sentences?
      It's just that everything will become clearer.
    7. Fan-fan 13 January 2020 21: 45 New
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      Here's a vector: fair distribution of income.
      For example, Norwegians, like us, receive most of the budget from the sale of hydrocarbons. But the proceeds from the sale are retired, scholarships, etc. And "effective managers" receive many times (3, 4 and even 5 times) more than the average earnings in Norway ...
      For comparison, in Russia the average earnings are about 40 thousand rubles. , and salary, for example, Sechin - more than 6 million rubles., Miller - more than 4 million ... And so on.
      In Norway, at times, and we have hundreds of times.
      Maybe this is because the deputies there receive one and a half times (!!!) more than the average earnings in the country ... And in the Russian Federation the deputy receives more than nine times more than the average earnings. (And do not forget that we also have "benefits" for the elected representatives (that is, free of charge, at the expense of the treasury) ... we pay them for personal transportation, travel, housing, medical care, etc.).
  • Revival 13 January 2020 16: 03 New
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    And for everything it’s not required, enough for 95% of the population
  • Fan-fan 13 January 2020 21: 35 New
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    For our conditions, it is imperative to return the 4-year term of the presidency and no repeated terms, then I think the dunce on the throne will not have time to ruin a lot.
  • Ingvar 72 13 January 2020 10: 17 New
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    Rulers, officials, inventors, even gopniks are a product of our society.

    Again, the people are to blame? wink But nothing, that the formation of the moral and ethical image of the population is the same comes from above? In the work of S. Kara-Murza, “Manipulation of Consciousness”, the works of Antonio Gramsci are mentioned, with the help of theses of which public opinion was formed in Germany of the Third Reich. I recommend reading. hi
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    Where do the rulers come from? From another planet?
    No, this is a product of society itself. So to speak, the seed extract of the people. Those who inside the people in a bitter struggle for prosperity personally climbed upstairs.
    "What to blame for the mirror, if the mug is crooked?"
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    No, this is a product of society itself. So to speak, the seed extract of the people.

    -------------------------
    Why? They never invited me to the nomenclature, as long as I remember. Nomenclature is a separate caste that intersects with the people only from the rostrum of the next congress. So they are not my people and they have never been.
  • Mestny 13 January 2020 18: 28 New
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    So there is no invitation. There you have to break through your brains and perseverance.
    Do you have them?
  • New Year day 13 January 2020 15: 53 New
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    So to speak, the seed extract of the people.

    that's for sure, they are all from the people


    flesh from flesh! laughing laughing laughing
  • Mestny 13 January 2020 18: 27 New
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    But what, really from another planet? Or at least from another country?
  • New Year day 13 January 2020 18: 38 New
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    But what, really from another planet? Or at least from another country?

    Exactly! From the country that they create for themselves and in which they live.
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    But did they grow up in what country? Is it not in ours?
  • Fan-fan 13 January 2020 21: 48 New
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    They grew up and were brought up in another country, in the USSR, and now the USSR has turned into some kind of feudal state.
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    and now the USSR has turned

    I do not want to be intrusive, but I would like to recall that the USSR ordered a long life back in December 1990.
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    But do you need Lenin, Stalin, or the Fuhrer, maybe Mao, the emperor to live humanly and remain human?
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    No, not needed.
    It is not necessary to react so painfully to the leaders, but to build a world around you. To start.
    In other words, do not yell at the square about the bad power that should, but paint the bench in the yard.
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    Quote: Mestny
    In other words, do not yell at the square about the bad power that should, but paint the bench in the yard.

    You are crazy .... these will not paint anything while there is electricity in the PC. They do not seem to have a gene for building a positive world around them.
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  • Squelcher 13 January 2020 13: 38 New
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    Have you tried to be a man yourself, without a shepherd?
  • Mestny 13 January 2020 18: 55 New
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    They do not need to be human. They have one person - the Leader. The most humane person. Forever alive, and all that.
    And they can do that.
    To kill compatriots - there is no need to be a man. If only the herd flourished.
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    Quote: Squelcher
    But do you need Lenin, Stalin, or the Fuhrer, maybe Mao, the emperor to live humanly and remain human?

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    We need the opportunity to be masters in our land, and not the serfs of the masters from Cyprus and the Cayman Islands.
  • Mestny 13 January 2020 18: 56 New
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    So who's stopping?
    Those who do not know how, all the time, something bothers.
  • Vadim237 13 January 2020 20: 48 New
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    Kim Jong-jean, he has strong socialism in the DPRK - almost all the poor and all work for the good of the country for 5-10 bucks - those who disagree with the regime are re-educated in the camps, and those who cannot be re-educated will remain in hard labor until the end of their days.
  • wchin 13 January 2020 22: 32 New
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    Kim Jong-jean, he has strong socialism in the DPRK

    The same "strong socialism" was in the USSR during the time of Dzhugashvili.
  • DNS-a42 13 January 2020 10: 32 New
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    Maybe then tell me the answer to the historical question of why most European countries.

    Most of the capitalist countries live in the threshing floor. And the number of successful barely exceeds two or three dozen. Maybe there is some correlation here, no? So that somewhere it was thick, somewhere it should become empty.
    The question is, where did you get the idea that under capitalism, Russia will live like Europe, and not like Mexico or Latin America? Trump places are already taken.
  • Squelcher 13 January 2020 11: 09 New
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    But how do most of the socialist countries live? China? Maybe then tell me what kind of pension there is from the villagers? If I hadn’t seen pompolites climbing Japanese dumps in 1991 for the sake of used refrigerators and televisions. I was in North Korea, and in South Oh how southerners moan right they can’t run to North Korea for happiness. Vietnam? Cuba? In Japan, in 1991, there are toilets with meaning in the photo elements, while in Khrushchev we have wood titanium and a newspaper instead of paper. And where in the union contact lenses could be bought, can you tell me?
  • DNS-a42 13 January 2020 11: 45 New
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    The Union was clearly better than in the Russian Federation. China has risen significantly due to the skillful economic policies of the Communist Party, but cap. Russia confidently rolled back to the last century.

    And first, let's block the South Caucasus all sales markets, impose sanctions, and then we will keep in constant military blockade. I wonder if the Koreans will run from there? Haiti and Cuba could be compared, but again, damn it, one of the countries under sanctions.

    The Soviet athletes certainly were. Of the acquaintances easier, no one came across such a question, there was no such need.
  • Mestny 13 January 2020 19: 00 New
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    The Union was clearly better than in the Russian Federation.

    Have you lived there, son?
    Or did the lying cynical uncles tell you how beautiful he was?
    So I’ll tell you, he’s beautiful only in their stories. Do you know why? Because their owners need us to break everything down once again.
    And for such a purpose it does not matter what to talk about. If only people like you rushed to break.
  • DNS-a42 13 January 2020 21: 35 New
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    And what do we live in a vacuum, no one has friends, older relatives? So, the majority of acquaintances under socialism lived either better or not bad.

    This "argument" works both ways. These cynical uncles tell you about the bloody and backward scoop so that no one encroaches on the factories and factories stolen from the people.

    Moreover, they will not break like me. And lovers of a bright capitalist future (who are running after Mr. Navalny now), only they will break the country, not capitalism.
  • wchin 13 January 2020 19: 44 New
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    Quote: DNS-a42
    The Union was clearly better than in the Russian Federation.

    Quote: Mestny
    Have you lived there, son?
    Or did the lying cynical uncles tell you how beautiful he was?
    So I’ll tell you, he’s beautiful only in their stories. Do you know why? Because their owners need us to break everything down once again.

    Listen to what uncle writes to you. Useful.
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    China rose substantially due to Communist Party's skillful economic policies

    China rose only by ending socialism. Since then, China has not even smelled of any socialism.
    Quote: DNS-a42
    but the cap. Russia confidently rolled back to the last century.

    1. It does not roll away anywhere, but, on the contrary, has risen high enough in comparison with the USSR.
    2. Where have you noticed capitalism in Russia?
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    And first, let's block the South Caucasus all sales markets, impose sanctions, and then we will keep in constant military blockade.

    SK is economically 2,5 Russia. See how they would block something there.
  • DNS-a42 13 January 2020 20: 51 New
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    Yeah, don’t think about your head, uncle will explain everything for you.

    About socialism in China speak only illiterate people. China is a socialist country where socialism has not been built (has never been), there is a multi-layered economy in which there is a socialist system, state. capitalist, private-capitalist, petty commodity, patriarchal.

    1. Yeah, with a share in the global economy of 2-3%. After 10%, this is progress on the contrary.
    2. And here are the representatives of the sect "you have the wrong capitalism / no capitalism."

    And here is Russia something? The point was that these countries had completely different living conditions, one American capital and its vassals were nurtured and nourished, and the other was rotten.
  • wchin 13 January 2020 21: 33 New
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    there is a multistructure economy, in which there is a socialist system, state. capitalist, private-capitalist, petty commodity, patriarchal.

    No need to invent nonsense. China is a neo-feudal country. Such, in the direction of which the Russian Federation seeks, but still can not get there.
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    1. Yeah, with a share in the global economy of 2-3%. After 10%, this is progress on the contrary.

    The share of the Russian Federation in the global economy is 0,341%. The share of the USSR never exceeded 0,4%. It was a somewhat unusual beggar, a beggar with a show-off.
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    And here are the representatives of the sect "you have the wrong capitalism / no capitalism."

    In Russia it’s not “wrong capitalism / there is no capitalism”, in Russia there is an interphase. Between neo-feudalism and slave OEF. Those. there are not even any signs of capitalism.
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    one American capital and its vassals were nurtured and nourished, and the other was rotten.

    Stop weaving nonsense.
  • DNS-a42 13 January 2020 21: 50 New
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    What does a neo-feudal country mean? There is no major commodity production? There is no labor market? There is no financial capital? There is no labor migration?

    According to the IMF, the GDP of the USSR in 1990 was 12,1% of the world.

    Yes Yes. Ravings of a madman. In the Russian Federation, a functioning labor market, capital market. Crap, but working labor rights.

    What is the nonsense? The fact that the UK received loans for industrial development from the United States and Japan, that the UK is in a military-economic blockade, but the UK does not?
  • wchin 13 January 2020 22: 06 New
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    What does a neo-feudal country mean?

    That’s what it means. OEF is determined by the prevailing form of ownership.
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    IMF GDP of the USSR in 1990 amounted to 12,1% of the world.

    Now multiply this all by 0,5922 and divide by 27,6. Already obtained 0,260%.
    And today the Russian Federation has 0,341%. Progress is evident.
    And the people (consumers) became 40% less.
    But in the mid-80s, the USSR had a slightly larger share than 0,260%. And in the best of times (mid-70s) it generally reached 0,4%.
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    In the Russian Federation, a functioning labor market, capital market.

    Dear, if you do not understand the economy, then do not write. nonsense.
    Quote: DNS-a42
    that the UK is in a military-economic blockade, but the UK is not?

    All so-called "socialist countries" were "under siege". They simply cannot do otherwise.
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    The fact that the UK received loans

    I have the feeling that loans are manna from heaven. No, US loans need to be modulated. With interest. it was only the USSR that shipped products to "friends on credit." Which they didn’t even think about giving.
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    Of course, private ownership of the means of production also dominates in Russia, and the majority of the population is deprived of it, and therefore forced to enter the labor market. Typical capitalist mode of production. Where do we have the mandatory attachment of the feudal lord to the land or the right of private ownership of a person? There is no such thing.

    Those. they themselves agreed with me, saying that the USSR lived better in its pre-crisis years. And, of course, the statement about increasing welfare per capita by reducing the population reveals you as a real humanist.

    Yes, I am, a pathetic lover.

    Justification of a typical rapist, blame the victim of violence.

    A comfort zone was created for one country, and another was put on the brink of total destruction. I wonder where it will be good ?!
  • Foul skeptic 14 January 2020 11: 35 New
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    IMF GDP of the USSR in 1990 amounted to 12,1% of the world.

    Now multiply this all by 0,5922 and divide by 27,6. Already obtained 0,260%.

    What kind of "arithmetic" is so interesting?
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    At least for these 2 - 3% of the world economy, Russia receives money and the USSR, how much did it receive for its 15%? For all the time, the USSR sold seven civilian planes for the volatility - the question is, for what means the remaining several hundred were sold, if it was barter, whether it was equivalent - this applies not only to planes, but everything that the USSR produced and sent abroad to 160 countries of the world.
  • Vadim237 13 January 2020 20: 54 New
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    "The UK is economically 2,5 Russia." See how they would block something there. "Russia's PPP GDP of 4200 billion evergreens, South Korea's 2300 billion green - something does not match your 2,5.
  • wchin 13 January 2020 21: 20 New
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    Quote: Vadim237
    Russian PPP GDP

    PPP GDP is a synthetic ridiculous indicator that does not reflect anything at all.
    Zero
    Empty space, not an indicator.
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    Something does not fit with your 2,5.

    Because you do not understand that you need to "go."
    Do not have knowledge in the field of economics.
  • Vadim237 14 January 2020 01: 17 New
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    Forget about your distribution planned economy - it is no longer there, now the most important thing is the turnover and net profit for the year, no matter how much you made and where you got it at what cost - the most important thing is how much you made from it.
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    no matter how much you produced and where it was purchased at what value - the most important thing is how much you earned on it.

    This is not an economy (not macroeconomics). This is the layout of the shopkeeper.
  • Vadim237 14 January 2020 21: 44 New
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    "This is not an economy (not macroeconomics). This is the" layout of the "shopkeeper." An expert in macroeconomics writes to me, who has never been involved in business.
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    Most of the capitalist countries live in the threshing floor. And the number of successful barely exceeds two or three dozen.

    There are no more than 3-4 of them all, on the whole planet.
    And successful, included in the so-called "first world", 19. Another 3 countries of the second world are included in the "golden billion" (including 22 countries). And 3 more countries of the second world do not enter there, but hang around.
    There are capitalist countries among the third world countries (developing), but they are not among the fourth world countries (losers)
    Do you know what successful countries and countries with economies in transition have one thing in common?
    They ALL capitalist. Among successful countries, none (and IT NEVER HAPPENED) None neo-feudal, "socialist" or "people's democratic."
    The capitalist country with the poorest population is Romania. At the same time, the average Romanian in terms of money is 117% of the average Russian.
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    The question is, where did you get the idea that under capitalism, Russia will live like Europe, and not like Mexico or Latin America?

    And who told you that Latin America (and in Russia) capitalism?
    There is capitalism in Latin America in some places. Chile, Mexico, Brazil, someone even calls Colombia and Peru. That's all, apart from any pot-bellied little things from those lands.
    As for Mexico. The average Mexican is richer than the average Russian by 131,6%. And Mexico itself is economically more powerful than the Russian Federation by 113,9%. So there is no need to be afraid of Mexico. It is necessary to strive for its level.
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    Trump places are already taken.

    They are busy even close to Mexico. Therefore, you will have to fight for a place in the sun.
    This is how this world works. Loser countries, too, though sneaking into developing countries.
  • Vadim237 13 January 2020 20: 57 New
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    You forgot to all these percentages the price tags in the store, write the cost of gasoline and utility bills, to complete the picture.
  • wchin 13 January 2020 21: 18 New
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    You forgot to all these percentages the price tags in the store, write the cost of gasoline and utility bills, to complete the picture.

    What for? What is the difference, what and where are the price tags?
    In the free world, everything is simple, you do not like the price tags somewhere, you move to the place where you like them. And you live there.
    Globalization.
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    Very big.
  • DNS-a42 13 January 2020 21: 18 New
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    Some invisible wealth of Mexico. What is there to strive for?

    The ratio of 10% of the richest people to 10% of the poorest.
    Russia - 12,7
    Mexico - 21,6

    Literacy rate,% of the population
    Russia - 99,7%
    Mexico - 99,1

    Minimum monthly salary, $
    Russia - $ 195
    Mexico - $ 185

    PPP GDP per capita, USD
    Russia - 29267
    Mexico - 20602

    Number of cars per 1000 inhabitants
    Russia - 373
    Mexico - 297

    And 500 years ago, all successful countries were feudal, and another 1500 were slaveholdings. AND?

    Today, there are socialist and capitalist countries in the world, there are no others.
    In Russia, capitalism, and capitalism is already quite mature, has passed into the state-monopoly stage, with emerging financial capital.

    Yeah, the Untermensch and Ubernsh, I have not heard for the first time. A suitable philosophy for the modern social Darwinist.
  • wchin 13 January 2020 21: 39 New
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    Quote: DNS-a42
    Some invisible wealth of Mexico. What is there to strive for?

    And you just don’t know where and what to look at. Therefore, for you, the "invisible."
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    Today, there are socialist and capitalist countries in the world, there are no others.

    1. Slaveholding. This number now includes 2 so-called "socialist" countries, DPRK and Cuba. There were many such countries before, one of them was the USSR.
    2. Feudal. There are many, one of them, China. The Russian Federation is in the interphase between groups 1 and 2.
    2. The capitalist.
    There are no other countries in the world.
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    In Russia, capitalism, and capitalism is already quite mature, has passed into the state-monopoly stage, with emerging financial capital.

    What nonsense. The country still will not go over to neo-feudalism. And this one has already discovered in it, God knows what.
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    Yeah, the Untermensch and Ubernsh, I have not heard for the first time.

    Talk less with cliches.
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    You know the main thing, but do not show only.

    Where to me to such heights, you are the discoverer of the theory of transition to neo-feudalism from modern slavery, hoping that science will worthily apply such useful research. But I'm afraid she doesn’t know.

    The country has long passed, you cannot catch it.
  • wchin 13 January 2020 22: 13 New
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    here you are the discoverer of the theory of transition to neo-feudalism from modern slavery,

    This is described in classical political economy more than a hundred years ago.
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    The country has long passed, you cannot catch it.

    You are monstrously uneducated. And terribly stubborn. But stubbornness is not a sign of the mind.
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    So I say, you are behind. You still cannot get away from feudalism, the world already lives under the dominance of state-monopoly capitalism, and you all play feudal lords and slaveholders.

    It's funny that you do not want to apply such a characteristic to yourself. But I will not argue with the gurus of modern economic thought, I see further discussion as meaningless, all the best.
  • Lyuba1965_01 13 January 2020 10: 38 New
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    Forgive me for the argument that has long been imposed on my teeth, but the whole thing is in the history of our country.
    Over the past 100 years in the Republic of Ingushetia / USSR / Russia:
    1. The Russo-Japanese War.
    2. World War I (during which Great Britain, France and Japan marveled very well).
    3. Two revolutions almost in a row.
    4. Civil war.
    5. The intervention of the Entente almost throughout Russia in particularly important economic and agricultural regions.
    6. The Second World War, during which the country was almost completely destroyed and bloodless, according to some reports, 27 million were killed.
    7. State coup 1991-1993, after which a miserable stump in the form of the Russian Federation remained from the great country, and even plundered to the limit.
    Against this background, 2 times a complete change in the country's economic course, ongoing sanctions by the prosperous West and the States.
    Do not forget about the constant crop failure in the Republic of Ingushetia / USSR and, as a consequence of this, the famine and extinction of entire regions sometimes. * By the way, it was Stalin who began work to prevent crop failure in the USSR with the help of ubiquitous forest plantations in the arid and steppe regions of the USSR), after which crop failures gradually ceased, at least on such a terrifying scale).
    And tell me, which of these prosperous countries of Europe could have passed this without any damage to their economy?
    And are not the countries of the West and the States profited from our revolution?
    Could the States have risen after our revolution and the Second World War, when they "persuaded" the whole world to accept the dollar as a world currency, taking advantage of the fact that the USSR was incredibly weak after such a war?
    So, before setting an example of some prosperous countries, remember the story.
  • Squelcher 13 January 2020 11: 15 New
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    Japan was destroyed by the war, even a couple of nuclear bombs, Korea was destroyed, Germany, in addition to being occupied, was partially destroyed, and under repartition.
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    Japan was destroyed by war
    You are cunning, Maxim, here and above in the commentary.
    Maybe then tell me the answer to the historical question of why most European countries. (The USA and Asia is a separate conversation), in everyday and social terms, we lived better than we did in different historical and political periods?
    I will try to "prompt" the answer. Naturally, for those who work out their “bone” by waking up with a thematic “firewall”, this will be on the drum.

    Firstly, Japan and Germany, these are two countries that lost the war, on whose territory there are still foreign bases, de facto, these are currently occupied territories, with policies dependent on the same States. In general, the Anglo-Saxons made the most money during the two world wars, and the Marshall Plan, although it helped Europe ravaged by World War II to rise faster, was far from being a plan for philanthropists, but primarily pursued the strengthening of the position and influence of the United States. By and large, this help became enslaving; after World War II, the leader and master of the already global capitalism system was finally determined.

    Now, about why they "lived better" there than in Russia. Directly Russia, as an empire can be perceived from the era of Peter I. Capitalism, as a system began its start in Europe earlier, England was initially one of the first, and immediately began to fight for leadership, for world total power in the world. The trouble of Russia, that such villainous goals never prevailed on world domination, it always seemed that there were a lot of their own land. Moreover, it was limited to stating that the “Englishwoman was shitting”, there were no serious conclusions on geopolitics, little opposed to the interests of someone else’s lobby, moreover, many in the government contrived to be Anglophiles. And the “Englishwoman” was not just crap, but heaped like hell of a mammoth on the interests of Russia. All England was concerned. It was worth the eccentric Paul I to go closer to France, to conceive a joint campaign in British India, it cost Paul his life.

    By the way, for the most part all the Russian tsarina were Germans, and the emperors were half-blood Germans. Our mediocre Nicholas II, having lost the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905, climbed into the Entente, harnessed again for England, which had brought Russia before that, dragging and biting the Japanese. Further, at the most crucial moment, he abdicated, giving rise to the February pro-Western revolution, according to which Chubais and Gaidars were supposed to appear in 1917. It was not fate then for the Anglo-Saxons to become the sole masters of the planet, a new pole of power, socialism, the Soviet Union, appeared, which began to quickly turn into a cosmic and nuclear superpower, unattainable, remain tsarism, or Kerensky.

    Yes, it was more difficult for us than in the West, but the current government is still riding on the achievements of the USSR, for almost 30 years of their bourgeoisie they have not created anything substantial, only eating and squandering what has been achieved. The menacing fell in the battles, without exposing the squad of swords, the Soviet Union did not end ... We were outplayed by political cheaters, the Anglo-Saxons have no equal in meanness, duplicity and hypocrisy. The hope for peaceful coexistence with the antipode, a mortal enemy, summed up. To all, I wanted forbidden fruits, people were led to "democracy", jeans, chewing gum ... Now, at least there is something to compare with, they exchanged their gold for mirrors and glass beads. Masks are ripped off, capitalism has shown its true identity.

    Mankind does not have a bright future in capitalism, the positive of capitalism ended with the advent of transnational monopolies, and with the disappearance of competition and socialism, competition turns into fiction, capitalism itself is an absolute evil, a planetary virus.
  • Squelcher 13 January 2020 13: 11 New
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    Well then, why was the captain’s political assistant running around the trash in Japan and looking for used refrigerators and televisions? Why did we wipe newspapers with Truth, and not with toilet paper, why I was infected in the hospital with blood sampling in 86, when the world used disposable syringes since 1956, why the workers of the Tasma factory worked without PPE, poisoning themselves with chemicals, why was Blat and so on if Is communism an absolute good? How many fled across the Berlin Wall to the rotten west and how many fled the USSR? Why do you use android windows and many more things developed by absolute evil?
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    Why we newspapers True wiped

    That somehow did not bother and did not bother ..
    not toilet paper

    Or maybe it’s not necessary at all with paper ?? After a certain number of years, new generations will laugh that someone was wiping themselves with the bamboo ... and they will say - how could they even live like that !!
    In all seriousness, they will think so .. But it doesn’t bother you now ..
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    That's when they will - then we'll talk.
    In the meantime, paper.
    Communist nonsense, as you know, did not at all suggest this process. They shouted that the new Soviet man was only building communism. They even tried to raise a Soviet man - who doesn’t eat, doesn’t drink, and not vice versa, but only rolls a wheelbarrow and flies a flag at rallies.
    And you see, it didn’t work for some reason.
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    True communism on planet Earth has developed only among: bees, wasps and ants. But even bees have drones.
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    That's when they will - then we'll talk.


    What are you going to talk about ..))
    Right now, you are rubbing paper ... and talking about newspapers .. And when there was no paper, no one spoke about it .. Just like 20 years ago no one talked about smartphones or 2-meter televisions ..

    And you see, it didn’t work for some reason.

    But we see what happened ..
  • Lyuba1965_01 13 January 2020 18: 25 New
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    This assistant captain ran only because it was always customary for us (and some still have) admiration for everything foreign.
    What was produced in the USSR did not appeal to them, because there wasn’t such a bright and colorful appearance as Western (and Japanese) products.
    We always disdained our own and looked with admiration on the imported, which, albeit from the garbage dump, but for many it was much better than ours.
    Wiped with newspapers?
    But doctors believe that water and soap are much more hygienic, so Westerners with their own, even the best toilet paper in the world, are just (sorry for the not-so-decent word).
    Fled through the Berlin Wall?
    Yes, they fled, fled to their relatives, with whom they wanted to see each other, fled for a beautiful wrapper.
    But now the former GDR members are very sorry that the wall collapsed.
    We use. android, windows and stuff?
    Yes, we use it, and what is it?
    Indeed, many countries, including America, have no complexes about the fact that in the space industry they depend largely on Russia.
    Globalization, you see, the separation of the spheres of labor and production.
    And if a little more detailed, the States are buying from Russia an astronomical telescope, Ural motorcycles, which are very much appreciated there, and much more.
    Well, American iPhones also can not do without Russian details.
    There are many Russian parts there, and Russia also supplies tin for soldering these parts.
    It is good or bad that now no country is self-sufficient in the production of its products - another conversation, but these are now the trends in world industry.
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    What was produced in the USSR did not appeal to them, because there wasn’t such a bright and colorful appearance as Western (and Japanese) products.

    No, that's not why.
    They just worked better. Significantly better and more reliable.
    Because they were made by people and for people, and not to fulfill the socialist plan.
    And also, apparently because the same Japanese worked instead of blowing communist pipes.
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    the Japanese worked instead of blowing communist pipes.


    It’s a pity the Chinese do not read you now .. would turn a finger at the temple ..))
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    If in the USSR there was competition between consumer goods and the struggle for the market, then our goods would be in demand. And there was usually no choice. There was no development from here.
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    At our dacha there is a Chinar refrigerator of Soviet times, it feels like a beast.
    Only once filled with freon.
    At the cottage is a Soviet-style washing machine "Wave".
    The bottom of the case (iron) has already begun to rot somewhere, but it works.
    But over the past 20 years they have already changed the third washing machine - they deteriorate quickly, although I use them carefully.
    At the cottage there are 2 fans of the late 50s.
    Only the blades were replaced there (the plate mass on them became fragile from time to time).
    But imported fans fly every year, you have to buy them every season.
    There is also a Soviet-era tee extension cord at the cottage, which has been plowed quietly for more than 50 years, and we buy extension cords in the house almost every year.
    At the dacha, there is also an old Buran vacuum cleaner, it works well, but you have to buy vacuum cleaners every few years at home, although we take not Chinese bullshit, but good ones.
    And the thing is that modern things are one-day things that make people buy and buy them every year again, making us machines for making money for this junk, and in those years we bought one big thing, and we could use it for decades, spending money on something else.
    And the safety margin of Soviet things was very high, hundreds of times higher than stated in the instructions or technical passport.
  • Vadim237 13 January 2020 21: 04 New
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    They were wiped off by the first persons of the Central Committee of the party.
  • Stas157 13 January 2020 13: 20 New
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    Mankind does not have a bright future in capitalism, the positive of capitalism is over

    Capitalism, doomed to regular crises or wars, is gradually becoming obsolete. In the West, too, there is an understanding of this. Progressive Westerners pose the question, and what next? Competition (capitalism) or cooperation (socialism)? And they unequivocally answer that cooperation is much more effective and the future lies behind it.
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    cooperation (socialism)? And they unequivocally answer that cooperation is much more effective and the future lies behind it.

    What nafig cooperation? DPRK for a living example is not enough?
    "Socialism" is poverty and hunger. So it was, is and will ALWAYS be.
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    Quote: fghy
    DPRK for a living example is not enough?
    "Socialism" is poverty and hunger.

    And what does the DPRK have to do with it? Small countries crushed by sanctions will always eke out a gray existence (like Abkhazia and Transnistria), regardless of the social * economic system.

    Do you have enough examples of the USSR? For the first time in its thousand-year history, Russia has become a superpower only under socialism (and was second after the USA).
  • fghy 13 January 2020 14: 02 New
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    Quote: Per se.
    By and large, this help has become bonded

    It is a pity that its recipients did not know about it.
    And then after all, rejoiced, stupid, to raise their standard of living. Not knowing all the "insidious" amers.
    Quote: Per se.
    after World War II, the leader and master of the already global capitalism system was finally determined.

    No need to dissemble - determined the owner of the whole world. Which is still the same, USA.
    Quote: Per se.
    England was originally one of the first

    Britain was the first. That is why, due to the transition to capitalism, she took away world domination from Spain.
    Quote: Per se.
    The trouble of Russia, that such villainous goals never prevailed on world domination, it always seemed that there were a lot of their own land.

    Those. RI's permanent expansion beyond its borders was fun for the sake of?
    Quote: Per se.
    All England was concerned.

    By itself. After all, Britain was then the mistress of the world. And what kind of mistress, who does not care, what is happening at her house?
    Quote: Per se.
    Further, at the most crucial moment, abdicated, giving rise to the February pro-Western revolution,

    The February Revolution is a figment of the Sovagitrop. In fact, the revolution took place in March 1917. And it was not Nikolai who made it, but Mikhail.
    And "pro-Western revolution" is generally a new word in political economy. You are a direct innovator.
    You need to sit right behind the dissertation. Immediately after the doctoral.
    Quote: Per se.
    It was not fate then that the Anglo-Saxons became the sole masters of the planet, a new pole of power, socialism, the Soviet Union, independent of them, appeared

    Atas!
    A beggarly, ever-hungry, and often simply starving-out sub-state formation (USSR) turned out to be a pole of power.
    What was this "pole of power" everyone saw in 1941. If the Anglo-Saxons had not taken this "pole" on September 24.09.1941, 1942, they would have come to this pole at the latest in spring XNUMX.
    Quote: Per se.
    began to quickly turn into a space and nuclear superpower

    The USSR, it turns out, was a superpower. These conscientious, they are so funny. Like children, they believe in fairy tales.
    “You don’t need a knife for a fool, you’re lying to him from three boxes, and do whatever you like with him” - the cat Basilio and the fox Alice.
    Dear, beggars are not powers, and even more so, superpowers. Beggars are ONLY losers. Some with Ponte, some without them. Soviet are losers with show-offs.
    Quote: Per se.
    unattainable, remain tsarism, or Kerensky.

    Who told you such nonsense?
    Quote: Per se.
    but the current government is still riding on the achievements of the USSR,

    Wow. It turns out that oil, gas and other raw materials in Russia are “achievements of the USSR”. Who would have thought.
    Quote: Per se.
    for almost 30 years of his bourgeoisie

    Before the "bourgeoisie" of Russia, it’s like cancer before ...
    For almost 30 years now, Russia has been in interphase and cannot fully switch to NEO feudalism. A good long stay in the interphase has never ended for anyone in history.
    Quote: Per se.
    only eating and squandering what has been achieved.

    Reached RI. After all, Eastern Siberia, and the main deposits there, is the acquisition of RI.
    Quote: Per se.
    The menacing fell in the battles, without exposing the squad of swords, the Soviet Union did not become ...

    You are probably one of the agitators and propagandists of the CPSU district committee. Those. the same cheap tricks and manners.
    Quote: Per se.
    We were beaten by political cheaters

    Your "system" let you down. Which could only rot and degrade. And no longer that he was not capable.
    When the "happy inhabitants of the happiest country in the world" were finally starved, they destroyed this "system."
    Quote: Per se.
    exchanged their gold

    What kind of gold? Half-rotten blue chicken (popularly the “blue bird”), which had to be queued for hours, and then, to cook for food, had to be washed in potassium permanganate?
    Quote: Per se.
    capitalism has shown its true identity.

    Actually, he never hid behind any disguises. Unlike the USSR.
    Quote: Per se.
    Mankind has no bright future in capitalism

    It is a pity that the population of countries living under capitalism does not know this.
    Quote: Per se.
    capitalism itself is an absolute evil, a planetary virus.

    Write it on a piece of paper and send it to 100 people.
    I say, Soviet, these are old people who fell into the insanity of childhood. They have trouble for ages.
  • Lyuba1965_01 13 January 2020 15: 16 New
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    Honestly, I’m already tired of recalling: the States revived Japan after the bombing, so it didn’t rise like that, besides, no matter how cynical it sounds, but 2, even if they were completely destroyed, not very large cities are hundreds cities.
    After the Second World War, the States did not invest weakly in Germany (it was they who thus created a shop window, it was something like a tacit competition with the USSR, which raised the GDR).
    It is strange that you do not know this.
    Or "forget" to know.
  • Mestny 13 January 2020 19: 27 New
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    Say - this competition of the USSR was deafeningly lost.
    As well as all lost.
  • Efreytor 13 January 2020 13: 45 New
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    The USSR reached the pre-war level of industrial production in 1949. And over the past 20 years, we cannot reach the level of the RSFSR in 1991. Malaysia in 2019 was ahead of the Russian Federation in terms of GDP.
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    Production of what? Valenok and cart wheels?
    Is it clear that industrial production then and now is 2 big differences?
  • Efreytor 14 January 2020 09: 06 New
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    Well, if you think that the USSR in 1941 produced only felt boots and carts, then there’s nothing to talk about with you.
  • Vadim237 13 January 2020 21: 18 New
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    "Malaysia in 2019 was ahead of Russia in terms of GDP." Russia's GDP for 2019 is 1700 billion - Malaysia's GDP is 370 billion. Do not make fools of people.
  • balunn 14 January 2020 15: 17 New
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    All that you listed here one way or another was, for example, in the same France. World War I, World War II, colonial wars of the twentieth century ... they wrote below about Korea ... completely destroyed in the 50s.
    The fact is that all those who come to power after the 90s are very much afraid of losing this power, because loss of power can lead to repression turning against them. That is why our entire elite prefers to make money here, and build their future in another place. In the Soviet Union, we must pay tribute, this was not.
  • Fan-fan 13 January 2020 21: 32 New
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    That's just the people do not need to blame, our people are not stupid. The defense industry of the USSR proved that the people were able to create magnificent and advanced equipment in aviation, space, and the navy. And if they would invest as much money as in the defense industry in agriculture and the production of goods for the population, I think people would be able to create excellent goods here too.
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    But who covers it there - do not make crap.
  • Stas157 13 January 2020 12: 48 New
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    Meanwhile, without cataclysms, some capitalist countries came to socialism in a natural way, and the level of social life, many cap countries have raised to a higher level.

    This is not about the current "elite". The cooperative "Lake" was created for other purposes. These only tighten the nuts. But they themselves have long lived under communism.
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      Rejoice for them, this is a product of the CPSU all the members that were former.
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      This is not about your communists.
      They came without millions of victims, but yours couldn’t. Moreover - they could not at all.
  • Altona 13 January 2020 14: 15 New
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    Can do without radical changes?

    -------------------------
    Do you want to stay forever a boy of sixteen years old? laughing There is no change in nature. And there will be nothing so bloody, with a shootout and all that. There will simply be a dull rejection, maybe mass protests and demonstrations, after which the government itself loses legitimacy. Like a berry in the garden, hangs on a bush, ripens, pours, and then falls. It also happens with irremovable power, it itself will fall away from the mother bush. Blood goes when a power component of the existing security forces is included in the process (the Czechoslovak corps, Latvian riflemen, a volunteer army, and so on up to the tank battalion that shot the White House in 1993)
    1. Squelcher 13 January 2020 16: 00 New
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      There is no change in nature. And there will be nothing so bloody, with a shootout and all that. There will simply be a dull rejection, maybe mass protests and demonstrations, after which the government itself loses legitimacy.

      As you know, they wrote about the CPSU and the USSR matured rotted and burst.
    2. Altona 13 January 2020 18: 01 New
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      As you know, they wrote about the CPSU and the USSR matured rotted and burst.

      --------------------------------
      Comrade Stalin before his death realized that the quasi-imperial way of existence of the USSR had exhausted itself, that a different driver for the development of society was needed. Quasi-imperial, because everything was going on due to the inclusion of new states into the orbit of socialism without a sufficient economic component in the quasi-metropolis itself. Such donor socialism and even infected inside the petty-bourgeois consciousness could not last long.
  • Mestny 13 January 2020 19: 31 New
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    The main thing is to feel these changes yourself. The Communists famously wave their sabers only until they themselves arrive.
  • IS-80_RVGK2 13 January 2020 16: 00 New
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    Quote: Squelcher
    Meanwhile, without cataclysms, some capitalist countries came to Socialism in a natural way.

    Where did you see socialism? And what is this natural path? You didn’t confuse fairy tales with reality?
    Quote: Squelcher
    Yes, and the level of social life, many cap countries have raised to a higher level.

    Yeah, due to the fact that they robbed and exploited others. Not directly so indirectly. And in your paradise western booths, too, not everything is as good as you tell.
    1. Mestny 13 January 2020 19: 32 New
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      Uh-huh.
      And the communists robbed and exploited their own.
      It turned out that everything was missing.
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      And the communists robbed and exploited their own.
      It turned out that everything was missing.

      You would be like a patriotic libshiza glad that the Communists did so much for you and raised science and industry and the army. Otherwise, you would feed worms in the trenches now. And yes, you want to rob everyone like the capitalist West? Why are you better than these bastards then?
  • Cyrus 13 January 2020 08: 09 New
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    If something is really necessary, it will happen.
  • 24rus 13 January 2020 11: 39 New
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    And I For Socialism, and state property in key areas of the economy and economy, Oh, if the referendum could return the system
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      Quote: 24rus
      And I For Socialism, and state property in key areas of the economy and economy,

      Do you want to starve and devour the stew?
      Easily.
      What kind of “socialism” do you want, real or “Czech type”?
      You can get the real one by emigrating to the DPRK. Where you will work hard and eat little. Everything as you like.
      Unfortunately, the Soviet "developed socialism" is nowhere to be found. He was in Cuba, but after the death of Castro, Cuba changed into something like Czechoslovakia. So, if there is a desire to eat poorly and poorly to dress, but at the same time beat the bucks day by day, then you should go there. You have a chance to live 100 years - Cuba has a very healthy climate.
      I don’t understand one thing. What do you dislike about “Soviet power 2”? Indeed, now in Russia everything very much resembles the USSR of the period 1922-1927.
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        fghy. Tired of your bestial anti-Soviet. The entire monitor was spat on, an illiterate, single-line bird that loves to hammer the same place
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        Quote: Nonna
        The entire monitor was spat on, an illiterate, single-line bird that loves to hammer the same place

        Do you really pierce your eyes?
        And you do not look.
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        Quote: wchin
        Quote: Nonna
        The entire monitor was spat on, an illiterate, single-line bird that loves to hammer the same place

        Do you really pierce your eyes?
        And you do not look.

        Where did you find the truth in your total lies?
  • Roman070280 13 January 2020 13: 55 New
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    You can get the real one by emigrating to the DPRK. Where you will work hard and eat little.

    You can starve and eat little in capitalist South Korea .. It is enough to impose sanctions on it, close all accounts, prohibit trade, etc.

    But then it will be possible to compare with socialism in the DPRK ..
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    Quote: Roman070280
    You can starve and eat little in capitalist South Korea ..

    It is possible in South Korea. But unlikely.
    Quote: Roman070280
    It is enough to impose sanctions on it, close all accounts, prohibit trade, etc.

    Bad dancer yay ... but they interfere. China has been feeding this DPRK for how many years, it still can’t feed it.
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    It is possible in South Korea. But unlikely.

    Just the same is highly probable ..

    Bad dancer yay ... but they interfere.
    What is it about .. Socialism is always the bad dancer to interfere with life ..

    China has been feeding this DPRK for how many years, it still can’t feed it.


    China fed itself .. And half the world supplies ..
    And in the DPRK, it seems, people live happily anyway .. because they don’t tell them every day about the billions of Zakharchenkov and Serdyukov .. and they see themselves more justice than wokurg than everyone else on this planet ..
  • IS-80_RVGK2 14 January 2020 11: 19 New
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    Indeed, now in Russia everything very much resembles the USSR of the period 1922-1927.

    Then, too, was the bourgeoisie in power?
  • Mestny 13 January 2020 19: 34 New
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    For what? Soviet?
    No, thanks.
  • at84432384 13 January 2020 17: 12 New
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    Why is war necessary ?! Liberalism (the power of financial capital) is at an impasse. Oddly enough, aloud, Putin first announced this, then Macron and Trump. The collapse of liberalism will sweep away all Russian liberal power and those 3%. What will happen later, only God knows, but there will be no place for Chubais and Deripaska in that system.
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      Quote: at84432384
      liberalism (the power of financial capital) is at an impasse.

      Damn, but the guys do not know!
      Quote: at84432384
      The collapse of liberalism will sweep away all Russian liberal power and those 3%. What will happen later, only God knows

      Why is unknown, known. There will be banditry, terrorism, hunger, cannibalism, etc. Everything, as after the Bolshevik coup of January 1918
      Quote: at84432384
      but Chubais and Deripaska will definitely not have a place in that system.

      Aren't they cannibals?
  • paul3390 14 January 2020 00: 00 New
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    Either the dictatorship (i.e. iron power) of the landowners and capitalists, or the dictatorship of the working class.
    There is no middle ground. Dreaming about the middle is in vain barchat, intellectuals, gentlemen, poorly studied from bad books. Nowhere in the world there is and cannot be. Either the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie (covered by the lush Socialist-Revolutionary and Menshevik phrases about democracy, constituency, freedoms, etc.), or the dictatorship of the proletariat. Whoever does not learn this from the history of the whole XIX century is hopeless ..
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      Quote: paul3390
      or the dictatorship of the working class.

      The working class does not exist. Basically.
      The whole class theory of Marx, this is nonsense of a madman.
      Quote: paul3390
      or the dictatorship of the proletariat.

      This is another nonsense. The dictatorship of the proletariat cannot be in principle. Because the proletarians, these are "rams."
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        Quote: wchin
        Quote: paul3390
        or the dictatorship of the working class.

        The working class does not exist. Basically.
        The whole class theory of Marx, this is nonsense of a madman.

        So what? You vibrate from one thought that your trough can be wrung out?
  • Nick 14 January 2020 01: 40 New
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    I am for Socialism

    What kind of socialism? Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev? If you look broader, that is, there is still Maoist socialism, Cuban, Polpotovsky ...
  • Robert 14 January 2020 12: 03 New
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    You and the first thesis - you need a unifying idea! Or such a cataclysm that sweeps these 3% into oblivion ... and this, God forbid, is a large-scale war!

    And what? Is there a real alternative?
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    Why not force? If these notorious 3% think that all this can end at once in the form of a revolution and lampposts, then a reasonable idea of ​​what to share can visit them.
  • NordUral 13 January 2020 19: 58 New
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    Theses? I have one thesis - several times in a row the whole people go to the polls, and do not sit out (generalized) under the sofas and vote for the candidate or candidates of the left-patriotic (and preferably united) opposition.
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      Quote: NordUral
      Theses? I have one thesis - several times in a row the whole people go to the polls, and do not sit out (generalized) under the sofas and vote for the candidate or candidates of the left-patriotic (and preferably united) opposition.

      Here, Finally Great Excellent Commentary! Without Whining and Snot!
      I fully support good hi
    2. IS-80_RVGK2 14 January 2020 11: 24 New
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      Quote: NordUral
      Theses? I have one thesis - several times in a row the whole people go to the polls, and do not sit out (generalized) under the sofas and vote for the candidate or candidates of the left-patriotic (and preferably united) opposition.

      Bullshit. And there is no one to vote there. Unfortunately.
    3. Finches 14 January 2020 19: 53 New
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      And for whom? Where are the real candidates? Look, apparently not a very distant person, St. John's wort everything is clear - but what is clear? Who understands? They left in 1996, they voted for Zyuganov - he poured everyone into the toilet! The same thing will happen now! There is no real power in the country - no! Therefore, I’d better lie on the couch ... I’ll write to VO! I’ll be healthier! laughing
  • Tank hard 13 January 2020 08: 13 New
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    Yes, Roman is not a godfather to me, not a brother or a matchmaker ... I try to be objective - he sees and writes like that!

    That's how any Serdyukov can talk about Putin ... And since .., and a new big post, and an asterisk in pursuit ... wink hi
    1. Mestny 13 January 2020 09: 42 New
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      What are you, Serdyukov can’t do this. He is bad, and for everything bad. All non-worthy fighters with the regime are outraged.
      And this one is good and for everything good, that is, your own. Can.
      1. Tank hard 13 January 2020 11: 19 New
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        He is bad, and for everything bad.

        Did they slander him? Fair man? Is everything trying for the people?
        1. Mestny 13 January 2020 19: 35 New
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          But is this author of the article an honest person?
          Where does the information come from?
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            Quote: Mestny
            But is this author of the article an honest person?

            Sergey, you ask such a difficult question, I don’t know the answer to it, maybe a good one, I don’t know his real affairs, as you and he are mine. When a similar question was asked to me about you, I honestly answered that I do not know you personally, which means that you can be a better person than me. What can I judge here? Only express your opinion, which may be erroneous. Regards, Danil. hi
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              Real things are different. Moreover, for some they are good, but for others the opposite.
              This is always the case, and with everyone.
              I honestly work, I have not stolen anything from anyone, I am engaged in the development of AI, and I am quite comfortable doing this in Russia.
              On what basis should I spit in the well from which I draw water?
              This reminds me of the Soviet dissidents whom the state fed, gave them the opportunity to make films, write books, and at that time they loudly watered it with what.
              I won’t do that.
              But to exalt the leaders - the humble servant. This is not for me either.
              Be they even moderators, even leaders.
              Just give justice.
              Because - things are different, both good and bad.
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                Quote: Mestny
                Real things are different. Moreover, for some they are good, but for others the opposite.

                Fair opinion.
                Quote: Mestny
                I honestly work, I have not stolen anything from anyone, I am engaged in the development of AI, and I am quite comfortable doing this in Russia.
                On what basis should I spit in the well from which I draw water?
                This reminds me of the Soviet dissidents whom the state fed, gave them the opportunity to make films, write books, and at that time they loudly watered it with what.
                I won’t do that.

                I respect your position. hi
      2. IS-80_RVGK2 14 January 2020 11: 27 New
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        All non-worthy fighters with the regime are outraged.

        Standing in the same ranks with the fascists stigmatizes the nonpolitians who are with him the same field of berries. Hand face.
    2. Rusland 13 January 2020 18: 28 New
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      Agree yes His fly bit.
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        Gadfly or CC?
  • Altona 13 January 2020 13: 59 New
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    Quote: Finches
    Yes, Roman is not a godfather to me, not a brother or a matchmaker ... I try to be objective - he sees and writes like that! Nobody here forbids you to spread your thoughts here? Or just a little rude ...

    ----------------------
    Eugene, Roman is now laying out what I wrote in my comments a year ago and for which they immediately began to subject me to obstruction and to remove shoulder straps. Nothing new, reality crushes the sugary picture from the TV with an iron hand. Nevertheless, bourgeois power is largely based on the dusting of brains. By the way, if you didn’t notice, we have carried out the notorious Stolypin reforms. That is, the population is transferred to pasture and to pay taxes from this pasture to high masters, plus total police against protesters. The message to the Federal Assembly will be about nothing like everything that was voiced at such events. “A breakthrough is needed, a breakthrough is needed,” Stalin managed to industrialize, collectivize, break the back of Nazism, create nuclear weapons and delivery vehicles for 20 years (1929-1949). And we have a “breakthrough and breakthrough,” plus new billionaires with accelerated enrichment and an rapidly dying out population, we can not even talk about poverty.
    1. Mestny 13 January 2020 19: 59 New
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      Iron hand - it is about two ends.
      When you turn around, don’t forget to say the same thing again, just the opposite
    2. Finches 14 January 2020 19: 50 New
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      And today you read the comments under the article - how many disagree? Decently! Society is divided at the bottom, and a small pile at the top keeps everyone on the hook!
  • astepanov 13 January 2020 16: 28 New
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    In fact, it is not without reason that our leaders so love to show off in the church during church holidays. The priests also promise everyone a bright tomorrow for good behavior. Only after death ...
    And it would be nice to ask the GDP to leave everything as it is, otherwise the examples are bad: they stubbornly improve medicine and education - and soon there will be no leg-horns left from them.
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      The priests also promise everyone a bright tomorrow for good behavior. Only after death ...

      Interested in a good comment. Can you clarify which priests belong to which denomination? This is not an idle curiosity, believe me.
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        All of them are oiled in one world - although the priest, of course - he, as you know, is Orthodox.
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          All of them are oiled in one world.

          About the Muslim mullah - the same opinion? What is relation to Islam and mosques? If you are smeared with one world - can you offend? Publicly
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            Quote: bober1982
            If you are smeared with one world - can you offend? Publicly

            Whom to offend? And with what fright do you need to insult someone?
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              Oh, he went back down.
              What-nobody except Putin can’t offend? Fearfully?
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                Quote: Mestny
                What-nobody except Putin can’t offend? Fearfully?
                Sir, who am I offending here? And what is the essence of the insult? Speak more clearly, dear, that is, it is a habit for others to start a swara from scratch to demonstrate activity.
    2. bober1982 13 January 2020 17: 39 New
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      Priests also promise

      Orthodox priests do not promise anything, Protestants promise - these and pedophiles will have paradise, in the literal sense. According to the Orthodox faith, everyone will dive in fiery hell (according to his work), well, or try to crawl into the eye of a needle, which is difficult. The prospects are generally bleak, by the way, what I have, what you have. There is no big difference, any pop will say that.
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        Orthodox priests promise nothing, Protestants promise

        Read the patristic and theological literature, they will tell you in detail about the Orthodox paradise and its health benefits for the deceased.
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          Quote: astepanov
          there they will tell you in detail about the Orthodox paradise and its health benefits for the deceased.

          So you have to crawl in there, they won’t let him kick in the ass, they’ll send to hell. Where such confidence?
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            Read the original post:
            Quote: astepanov
            promise everyone for good behavior bright tomorrow

            And in this the priests are quite consolidated with the government.
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              Quote: astepanov
              And in this the priests are quite consolidated with the government.

              to Caesar, Caesarean, and God, God
  • smart ass 14 January 2020 15: 43 New
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    I honestly did not understand why so many minuses came across to a man, expressed his opinion
  • Aerodrome 13 January 2020 06: 00 New
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    .... burn Roman! so them! Well done! All the best to you! good
    1. Tank hard 13 January 2020 08: 19 New
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      Quote: Aerodrome
      Burn Roman! so them! Well done! All the best to you!

      To tears! good
  • FRoman1984 13 January 2020 07: 32 New
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    Quote: Finches
    I want to say something else - even if the GDP sincerely wants to do something for the benefit of the common people precisely in internal affairs - this is the code that is captured in the hall will not allow this! And she didn’t allow it! The environment around GDP has long been so bronzed that even Joseph Vissarionovich’s methods will not help! ...

    There is only one panacea - turnover. The country will not disappear without him; he has worked for two terms at a maximum - and on vacation with full state security.
    And so it turns into a king, a complete sense of impunity. He made billionaires of his friends-athletes, set a Portuguese translator to enrich and steer the oil giant, and now in Rosneft the ass is full, just the bottom, incompetence and unprofessionalism. I would have worn a sweatshirt after him ... I appointed the son of Patrushev as a minister, the son of Ivanov - the director general of Alrosa ... there is nobody else ... effective managers were left alone
    1. Vadim237 13 January 2020 21: 25 New
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      And whoever said that without Putin the country will disappear — it will not disappear, it will live on, but there will be no significant economic growth for obvious reasons.
  • The leader of the Redskins 13 January 2020 08: 38 New
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    If you need to live VERY WELL, then I, as a pioneer - ALWAYS READY!)) laughing
    1. bessmertniy 13 January 2020 09: 50 New
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      And I'm ready! I’ll retire - I’ll buy a bicycle. lol
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        Perhaps, it’s enough for a children's or toy pension, but for Chinese - you have to take a loan.
  • qQQQ 13 January 2020 09: 33 New
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    Quote: Finches
    even if the GDP sincerely wants to do something for the benefit of the common people precisely in internal affairs - this is the code that is captured in the hall will not allow this!

    I want to ask, are you sure that he really wants this? And the message will be another transfusion from empty to empty. Problems will be voiced and an appeal to solve them, but probably other people are needed to solve, since these people could not do anything in 20 years, but there will be no new people, so everything will remain as before, but PR is our everything.
  • Roman070280 13 January 2020 13: 44 New
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    even if GDP sincerely wants

    And she didn’t allow it!


    Duck GDP so far sincerely did not want to ..
    This is from the category - I sincerely want to make money, but I know that they will not allow me, and therefore I will not start ...

    The environment around GDP has long been so bronzed


    But just in this the merits of the GDP itself should not be minimized ..
    All these nonsense in the photos have been sitting there for decades .. and they appeared there for a reason ..

    PS .. When wanted to - Ulyukaev was removed in no time ..
  • Ross xnumx 13 January 2020 15: 50 New
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    Quote: Finches
    I want to say something else - even if the GDP sincerely wants to do something for the benefit of the common people precisely in internal affairs - this is the code that is captured in the hall will not allow this! And she didn’t allow it! The environment around GDP has long been so bronzed that even Joseph Vissarionovich’s methods will not help! This is the mentality of our political culture.

    You are an adult, but still believe in the fairy tale about the “good king” and “evil boyars” ... A strange kind of confrontation. People say that pension reform is bad, that this is the way to the grave, and the GDP explains that it is necessary. The whole region (even in the USSR) uses a progressive personal income tax scale, and the GDP prefers 13% (where? Why not tithe or 12, or 14?) ... The constitution provides for a change of power, and the GDP puts forward its candidacy for longer terms ...
    The people curses the EBN and its rule, and the GDP is being built by the Yeltsin Center ...
    With whom did Putin debate on presidential campaigns? The only candidate in the world, apart from Medvedev, who did not take part in the pre-election debate, was nominated by his “bad boyars” ...
    If the guarantor is confused in the industrial production of the USSR, claiming that nothing was produced there except for galoshes, if he is shaken on behalf of the "old man", after whom the city in which the GDP lived was named, if he was warped by the name of Stalin, that he did not want to pay back a tribute to his memory, but prefers the reformist Gaidar ...
    request
    1. Mestny 13 January 2020 19: 40 New
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      The "old man" must be buried in the ground.
      Better yet, burn, and distribute the ashes to the new Communists. Let brew.
    2. Vadim237 13 January 2020 21: 27 New
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      This is Putin’s last term — don’t worry so much.
    3. Finches 14 January 2020 19: 55 New
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      Bad good king and boyars - these are the costs of the existing system and its simple elections can not be changed! The tag on the office will change - but the system is not! The system must be changed - that’s the whole ficus!
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  • Captain45 14 January 2020 01: 46 New
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    Remember Gogolev's "Examiner", nothing has changed - even the emperor, even the Provisional Government, even the general secretary, even the president ...

    "For at least three years, you don’t cry!" (c) "Examiner" N.V. Gogol
  • Esaul 14 January 2020 08: 59 New
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    But didn’t Putin himself bring all this Caudle and make them rich in billions? Doesn’t he have the right to fire someone? Yes, but he will not use this right, because grateful for the coder’s enrichment, he does everything he says (naturally, not with television cameras).
  • Reklastik 14 January 2020 15: 16 New
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    vRoman has the right to post articles of any kind here, including provocative ones, thereby causing the most vivid participation of people with opposing points of view!
    -and I would agree if Roman hadn’t taken so seriously the negative responses to his articles: if you provoke, be prepared to accept any reaction. But he is very far from this, and this is dishonest and unfair on his part. This is often indicated to him.
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    And what does the GDP want to do sincerely? Maybe he wanted to, but it was at the beginning of his path in power, and now he is a king whose bad boyars are, and he already needs nothing
  • sergo1914 13 January 2020 06: 11 New
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    Quote: Hunter 2
    It is time to rename the site from VO to VPO (military-political review).


    It's time for WO-Zen to swing.
  • carstorm 11 13 January 2020 06: 15 New
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    I don’t know) I have long ceased to get involved in such disputes simply because rudeness and insults have become the norm and it has become tiring to communicate with ardent fighters with the regime. so I better read and laugh)))
    1. rocket757 13 January 2020 07: 15 New
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      Quote: Finches
      even if the GDP sincerely wants to do something for the benefit of the common people precisely in internal affairs - this is the code that is captured in the hall will not allow this!

      Here is such a "fairy tale about the good king"! So far, the SYSTEM OF AUTHORITY established in the country .... in the picture and in addition to it, just VINTICS that twist it into one .... monolith \ tangle.
      It does not happen otherwise.
      1. Mestny 13 January 2020 19: 41 New
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        And you must certainly destroy this system. Probably to create a new one.
        Blood again?
        1. rocket757 13 January 2020 20: 02 New
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          The system is upgrading or changing to another.
          1. Mestny 13 January 2020 20: 05 New
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            So this is a completely different matter!
            Only there is one detail - modernization is extremely slow. God forbid that nothing be broken. And in the process of modernization, not everyone will agree with some of its intermediate results, so to speak.
            Some do not understand this. They need it right away. That would be as if invented by the USSR.
            1. rocket757 13 January 2020 20: 20 New
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              Modernization without replacing the basics, extends something like agony. The end of the old system is inevitable.
              The USSR was an informative, interesting experiment.
              What will be next is not yet clear. Wait and see.
              PS .... how will the system be replaced? Yes, FIG knows her, however, there are not many options.
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                Well ... I agree. We will see.
    2. bessmertniy 13 January 2020 09: 55 New
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      Somehow, imperceptibly, our leaders of the state force out the Khazanovs, Raikins, Shifrins and other artists from the screens. And one can only admire the subtle humor, the clump of thought, belay what a ghostly promise!
  • Bykov. 13 January 2020 08: 41 New
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    Russia, get ready to live very well!

    Either he has some kind of “own” Russia, or some “special” president congratulated him. I watched Putin’s address, but I didn’t see or hear what was written in this “article”. What is going on?! New Year's hallucinations?
    1. Mestny 13 January 2020 19: 42 New
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      They have everything special. Invented by the USSR (good), invented by Russia (bad).
      This is called a dirty political war, and they are its cannon fodder.
  • ankon 13 January 2020 10: 00 New
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    Everything was written correctly by Roman. You can’t live like that further! The lies of the president, the government is tired. They do nothing for the people of Russia, only an increase in taxes and fees. Conscience lost.
    1. Mestny 13 January 2020 19: 47 New
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      Everything was written correctly by Roman. You can’t live like that further!

      Do not.
      There are many recipes. You can against the wall.
  • depressant 13 January 2020 10: 05 New
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    Hunter 2, this is not your first year at the HE, therefore you should know that the level of well-being of the people is one of the components of the country's security, as well as the possibility of its existence in one piece. Remember how the USSR fell - empty shelves of shops! And this is with a high level of patriotism! Now the store shelves are full, but the pockets are empty. Situations are equivalent. Hence the concern of Roman.
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      I’ll ask again.
      If the pockets are empty - where does the money come from on the Internet and computers?
      1. Snail N9 13 January 2020 11: 57 New
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        Come on. For the "Internet" a lot of money is not necessary. Internet in St. Petersburg from 180 rubles per month, moreover, complete with TV. You can "consume" content from the Internet (most do) with smartphones — the cheapest from 2000 rubles (I’m silent about the commissions), plus 350-450 rubles for the tariff plan, and now everyone has a smartphone and everyone needs it. And computers .... they are not needed by anyone, except for web designers and "gamers of tanks" - in my garbage dump regularly the system units are lying around with monitors and keys, people get rid of excess garbage.
      2. depressant 13 January 2020 13: 19 New
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        Mestny, by cutting funds for food, clothes and shoes. This is so for me. Do not ask naive questions.
        Better I will in detail and with respect to Roman Skomorokhov answer his question asked at the beginning of the article.
        So why is the president’s message in January, and even shifted from the 15th, announced earlier, to the 14th, that is, even closer to the beginning of the year.
        Three reasons.

        I show the first.
        2018, message of March 1.
        2019, message on February 20.
        2020, message on January 14th.

        Feel how premeditated?
        The message moved closer and closer to the beginning of the year, so that by 2020 it would be unobtrusively spread as far as possible from one another - a message to the Federal Assembly, by definition containing a bunch of false promises to the steadily impoverished people, and the celebration of the 75th anniversary of the Victory in World War II. That is a date indelible from the memory of PEOPLE. You look, NARODISHKO, having discussed the message in January, by May 9 and will calm down! ..
        Indeed, speaking close to this significant date about the growing poverty of the people, about the absence of real achievements in the economy, means offending the memory of 27 million of our people who died, of which 8 million soldiers gave their lives for their homeland. They fell for us, now living, in the hope that they provided us with a better life than themselves, and those who unrighteously rule, steadily and systematically trample their feat in the name of us, and even the Mausoleum drape. Let them try to drape this time too!
        So, they spread in time for the greatest possible time two events that contradict one another.

        The second reason is the alarming domestic political situation in the country with the prospect of destabilization due to the poverty of the bulk of the population, the inability for an ordinary person to earn a decent life in a country rich in minerals, like no other, the uncertainties of the future - his and his children, lack of social elevators. Disrespect for power at any moment can develop into unpredictable, explosive events. Therefore, it is necessary as soon as possible to at least somehow fill in social discontent with the water of presidential promises.

        The third reason is the growing separatist sentiments of the national suburbs as a consequence of the first two. Outside, --- so far in caricatured forms, in the form of shaman campaigns in Moscow. And what is happening inside is not known.
        And this, if very short. On the fourth reason, I hope, we will talk later (erosion of the power vertical).
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          Roman Skomorokhov answer in his comments.
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        Quote: Mestny
        I’ll ask again.
        If the pockets are empty - where does the money come from on the Internet and computers?

        With the level of development of society, even the “poverty threshold” rises.
        Now, even those who live on the minimum wage are formally “richer” than the merchant of the 3rd guild of 1807, as they have at their disposal such “benefits of civilization” that the merchant did not even dream of.
        1. Mestny 13 January 2020 19: 45 New
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          I’ll say more - richer than the average Soviet man at times.
          But some even want more? Yachts there, expensive booze, hours for 40 million.
          But not enough for everyone.
          Here is the trouble.
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            I’ll say more - richer than the average Soviet man at times.
            But some even want more? Yachts there, expensive booze, hours for 40 million.
            But not enough for everyone.
            Here is the trouble.

            No need to be greedy.
            Here I have enough of the benefits of the "middle class" - a decent salary, an apartment, a car, a "summer cottage" and the opportunity to go on vacation 2 times a year with family (not necessarily "to the Seychelles").
            - Or is it, in your opinion, some kind of "transcendental" requirements? After all, in the courtyard of the 21st century.

            Threat. In the "enlightened eighteenth century", my desires would be more modest - "It would be nice if the gentleman gave free."
            1. Mestny 13 January 2020 20: 27 New
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              Here I have enough of the benefits of the "middle class" - decent salary, apartment, car, cottage and opportunity 2 times a year to go on vacation with his family (not necessarily "to the Seychelles").

              Worthy - which one?
              Yes, apartment-cars are different.
              This is where the fun begins. Suddenly it turns out that the fighters for national happiness turn out to also want to live well. And it turns out that they, after coming to power, of course, only at the expense of this very people.
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                Mestny (Sergey) Today, 20: 27
                Worthy - which one?
                Yes, apartment-cars are different.


                I already wrote that "not greedy." That would be enough for me.
                From the Concept of socio-economic development of Russia until 2020.
                - By 2020, Russians will receive an average of $ 2700 a month, have at least 100 square meters per family of three, and the middle class will make up more than half of the population.


                The issue is more complicated with the car - I would like a "Mitsubishi Pajero Sport" or "Great Wall Hover", but you will probably have to be content with a "Renault Duster".
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            Everyone strives for the best - but not everyone will succeed.
  • Thrifty 13 January 2020 11: 13 New
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    Roman, haven’t you been tired of listening to statements not backed up by actions in 20 years?
  • Stas157 13 January 2020 12: 36 New
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    Quote: Hunter 2
    I don’t understand why such a provocative article?

    Everything is fine. An article on the topic of the day! Roman always has the most talked about articles. He writes on painful and exciting topics. Some do not like it. Especially for those who do not want any positive changes in the country.

    Therefore, they are trying to ban Roman from writing. But what is especially outrageous, they do it in a boorish manner and do not at all take into account the opinions of those who like what Roman writes about.
  • Martin 13 January 2020 18: 32 New
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    It is time to rename the site from VO to VPO (military-political review).

    Not, if with regards to the author of the article, then no. For, if the "military" of his articles are read with great interest, then the "political" ... well, well ... frankly weak, so to speak, so as not to offend. They simply cannot be distinguished from other "political" ones on the Internet. And I’m sure that this is not plagiarism, but simply the absence of a normal analysis against the background of a lack of normal information. Unlike, I repeat, the "military" (maybe, after all, when he wants to). Well, the author’s income didn’t grow, so “everyone” didn’t grow:
    if I have - why not grown up?
    So, probably everyone can say.

    Well, except for the oligarchs, of course, they should grow up with someone. Where does such "information" come from?
    I, for example, have grown. No, not an oligarch. Yes, just a mechanical engineer. No, not Bosch (Volkswagen, Coca-Cola, McDonald's ...). Yes, in a completely domestic, and very small company. No, don’t buy-sell. Yes, development and production launch.
    And something tells me that I'm not the only one. Personally, I know a couple of dozen.
    And so an attempt to build geopolitical analytics on the traditional New Year (!) Congratulation of the President ... It is better on a New Year card that I wrote to my daughter. The result is the same, only the text being analyzed is smaller, yeah.
  • Vitalian 13 January 2020 20: 30 New
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    I don’t understand why such a provocative article? Now the battles will start again ... Putintsy - Against AntiPutintsev ...

    Well, how do you say "public opinion" is preparing for a change of power .. You did not notice it? We have been monitored and intensely for already a year, clearing the dissent, etc.
    They pay well for such articles, this is not to carry stew ...)))
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    I agree one hundred percent! He expressed his “fi” to Roman on the same occasion, without rudeness, culturally asked who finances? A warning came from the moderators right away ..... I don’t know whether it is possible to say anything at all against this direction of articles .......
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      An article is more for monitoring public opinion! What else can Roman do?
      1. Chingachguk 15 January 2020 18: 01 New
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        Judging by the warnings from the moderators of this site, articles of this kind should be treated exclusively positively. I reacted to two such articles without insults and already have two warnings ...... request
  • Golovan Jack 13 January 2020 22: 29 New
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    Quote: Hunter 2
    why such a provocative article? Now the battles will start again ... Putintsy - Against AntiPutintsev ... comments on 300 - 400 ...

    Damn, you answered yourself ... 300-400 comments - for free))))

    Take an interest in how much they pay for "click-advertising" and "site promotion" - be surprised. And here - pure hack, and even advertising for free! Well done guys, keep it up !! good laughing good
  • Nick 14 January 2020 01: 28 New
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    Quote: Hunter 2
    I don’t understand why such a provocative article? Now the battles will start again ... Putintsy - Against AntiPutintsev

    Don’t you understand !? The novel is not so young to sincerely write this nonsense above. He perfectly remembers how the people lived in the 90s. More precisely, he didn’t live, but survived at 70-80 Baku per month, which they detained for six months, since the very Yeltsin oligarchs turned them in banks, receiving large percentages. No, Moscow lived much better. A familiar fitness instructor, he earned about $ 700 a month in Radisson Slavyanskaya. Only now, the native Muscovite does not even look at such a salary. It’s just that Roman is given an order and he fulfills it, for money. There is such a profession, to sell the homeland.
  • LeonidL 14 January 2020 05: 41 New
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    The site has taken a very definite anti-state position under the brand of objectivity, which is quite consistent with the content of the RF Ministry of Defense about the start of an information war against the country's leadership and the most authoritative law enforcement agencies. And the number of pluses to the most odious authors, I would refer to the work of the site itself, and not to the number of Putin-anti-Putin.
  • Victor N 14 January 2020 14: 37 New
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    There are members of society, but there are loners. Members of the community, at least, empathize with each other if they are unable to help and participate. And loners sit on the mountain aside and comment. Well, a matter of taste. The author is perceived as a typical and complete pessimist, not wanting and unable to do anything for society. And God would be with him, but why invite others to contemplate? It may turn out that there will be nobody to watch. Or there’s not enough space on the mountain. Honorable trouble than grieve.
  • acetophenon 13 January 2020 05: 51 New
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    Photos are fair! Such, you know, fighters against poverty. Full room! And ahead - the most inveterate. It can be said, inveterate disinterested. And so - speech as speech. Well, out. Well, pushed. He has such a job.
    1. Mestny 13 January 2020 20: 08 New
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      All as one, either former communists or direct descendants. Mostly they, many years have passed.
      This communism will burp us for another 200 years.
  • Gardamir 13 January 2020 05: 55 New
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    For some reason, the perestroika joke was remembered.
    1917, Decembrist’s granddaughter asks the footman why these people make noise
    - they want the rich not to be,
    - And my grandfather wanted the poor.
    The axis hinted at this point to the two points that the Bolsheviks who had arrived made everyone poor, and that the coming government would make everyone big.
    It remains to ask yourself, well, did Boris help his son, do you get rich?
    1. Grandfather 13 January 2020 05: 57 New
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      Russia, get ready to live very well!
      "I am cleaning up" ??? yes not really ??? belay
      1. parusnik 13 January 2020 06: 26 New
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        Nah ... like in that joke: How is your health? Do not wait ... laughing And if all of a sudden ... some kind of castling passes, no more
      2. Cottodraton 13 January 2020 06: 48 New
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        Oh, then we will live?)
        1. Mestny 13 January 2020 09: 53 New
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          She, this is not enough for the wrestlers, only I’m yelling.
          Only in this case, for their ideological inspirers, there will be a chance to fall to the feeding trough.
          You don’t think that they intend to solve the problems of poverty and build a social state?
          1. Ingvar 72 13 January 2020 10: 28 New
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            She, this is not enough for the wrestlers, only I’m yelling.

            One woman asked Putin a very good question. The most interesting in the middle. But the most interesting thing is that the question was in 2013.
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              Give a quote, if not difficult. What is so interesting in the middle?
              1. Ingvar 72 13 January 2020 12: 29 New
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                I thought everyone remembers this video.
                1. Mestny 13 January 2020 20: 24 New
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                  "My question will be 1, but from 3 parts."

                  And further:
                  "Such will be the questions"

                  This can be stopped. already a lie, and cheap aggressive PR. However, Putin listens, nods his head. But what about-she is also a citizen of Russia.
                  We will listen too ...
                  "A nuclear tomograph that preempts oncology"

                  Hmm ... Oscilloscope arrow. In principle, you can again not listen, but just send it.
                  But we will listen:
                  "the country is 5-7 years old, we will fall apart to hell"

                  Now in 2020, you can basically turn off again, but we will continue.
                  "Now under the constitution, the bowels belong to the people. Let's nationalize all this"

                  Fine. Let's kill some, and give out everything that they had to others.
                  In principle, such people went to compulsory treatment in the USSR. It happens. This is from a series of nailing scrotum to Red Square.
                  To see this acute question in this “question” can either be not a very smart person or extremely cynical, ready to use any means in his political struggle for the feeding trough.
          2. Tank hard 13 January 2020 20: 15 New
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            Quote: Mestny
            Only in this case, for their ideological inspirers, there will be a chance to fall to the feeding trough.
            You don’t think that they intend to solve the problems of poverty and build a social state?

            Here I completely agree with you! Most just want power and fill their pocket. hi
    2. Squelcher 13 January 2020 07: 26 New
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      And what did the Bolsheviks do with the rich?
      1. Mestny 13 January 2020 09: 55 New
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        Killed naturally. More precisely, they first robbed and then killed.
        Some of the Bolsheviks themselves became wealthy from this. But, of course, the buzz was not the same. Like Koreiko's famous classics of humor.
        1. DNS-a42 13 January 2020 10: 38 New
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          When the rich raise food prices, on housing and communal services, when the retirement age increases, when the death rate in the country exceeds the birth rate, when the working majority eat bread without salt, and the rich minority ride on personal airliners, then this is normal, that’s right.
          But if the poor give back, then this is violence, injustice, terror, the revolt of an unbridled lout ... Oh, these double standards.
          1. Mestny 13 January 2020 10: 52 New
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            I look at the Internet there is money.
            Maybe you should buy bread instead and feed your family?
            1. Tank hard 13 January 2020 11: 10 New
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              Quote: Mestny
              Maybe you should buy bread instead and feed your family

              Man doesn’t live by bread alone, but by meat, an apartment and a new car ... wink
            2. DNS-a42 13 January 2020 11: 54 New
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              I look at Rosstat and see 20 million below the poverty line, they barely have enough for food.

              Man is not cattle, he still needs for normal existence: housing, transport, clothing, education, time for self-development. These people do not have all this.
          2. Squelcher 13 January 2020 11: 56 New
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            Yes, here in Norway they didn’t give change, in France they didn’t give change, in Japan they didn’t give change, in South Korea they didn’t give change, in Britain they didn’t give change. In Norway, God is a monarchy !!! And they live in socialism!
            In Russia and North Korea, the results were surrendered?
            1. Tank hard 13 January 2020 12: 08 New
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              Quote: Squelcher
              Yes, here in Norway they didn’t give change, in France they didn’t give change, in Japan they didn’t give change, in South Korea they didn’t give change, in Britain they didn’t give change. In Norway, God is a monarchy !!! And they live in socialism!

              Here is a video from Ukrainian Citizen (note, not Russian wink ), in what socialism live in the capital of the European Union, do you want to live there?
              1. Squelcher 13 January 2020 12: 33 New
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                The world is not perfect. Believe me, I live in Russia, but by type of work I lived in France (even there are homeless people there) and in Japan (and there are homeless people there), South (also there are poor) and North Korea, Vietnam. The refugees shown there are not crowding into North Korea or Vietnam for communist happiness. And if we collect money, we send sick children to operations not in North Korea, China, Cuba, but in Germany, South Korea, and Israel.
          3. Vadim237 13 January 2020 21: 34 New
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            "When most working bread eats bread without salt" - I believe if there is not enough bread.
      2. aybolyt678 13 January 2020 09: 56 New
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        Quote: Squelcher
        And what did the Bolsheviks do with the rich?

        - they took to work. Engineer Brums out of 12 chairs lived poorly? gusikov ate .... smile
        1. Squelcher 13 January 2020 12: 36 New
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          The country was flooded with blood, you are probably pleased to scuffle on the corpses and bones of the Russian people.
          Well done with this approach you will go far.
          1. aybolyt678 13 January 2020 12: 52 New
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            The country was filled with blood

            if you don’t scuff, then you have to admit that not only the Bolsheviks poured blood on the country ... stop
            1. fghy 13 January 2020 13: 16 New
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              Quote: aybolyt678
              not only the Bolsheviks poured blood on the country ...

              1. Only the Bolsheviks.
              2. No need to translate the arrows.
              1. aybolyt678 13 January 2020 14: 48 New
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                Quote: fghy
                1. Only the Bolsheviks.

                and Old Man Makhno was an angel, a loop of the Archangel, Kolchak a fabulous hero ???? ....
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                "No need to translate the arrows." - No need to aggravate.
            2. Squelcher 13 January 2020 16: 12 New
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              Unlike the “Communists," I admit that the civil war caused atrocities on both sides, and a huge loss of the country's gene pool. I admit that the phrase "lousy intellectual" appeared in the USSR. And that the USSR was the first to go into space, moreover, they lagged behind in many technologies, and I also admit slave labor in the USSR, and there were shootings of workers in the USA, but this is not enough for you just admit?
              1. aybolyt678 13 January 2020 20: 16 New
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                I, unlike you, will offer you not hackneyed phrases but simple analogies. The First World War began with the war between Germany and England. The second one too!
                The Decembrist movement inherited in the Masonic lodges of foggy Albion. The intelligentsia "picked up fleas" in London, the first congresses of the Communist Party in London ...
                Quote: Squelcher
                slave labor in the USSR
                I was born in the USSR, received education and a degree in this country and I know that this is too much .. Children will believe negative But I don’t understand until the end of your position, what do I need to admit?
    3. Mestny 13 January 2020 10: 37 New
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      No one promised that the new government would make everyone rich. They promised that she would give a choice.
      Freedom so to speak.
      The promise is fulfilled.
      1. aybolyt678 13 January 2020 13: 12 New
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        Quote: Mestny
        No one promised that the new government would make everyone rich. They promised that she would give a choice.

        God created the World, Man .. and the devil gave him freedom of choice? smile
      2. Efreytor 13 January 2020 14: 06 New
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        Manifesto of United Russia from someone (in my 2004) read the wise guy. And tell me what is done there?