“Water World” in Vietnamese: how to protect the disputed waters


Vietnam has limited resources, which does not allow it to deploy naval squadrons in the disputed waters and build artificial islands, just like China does. This forces Hanoi to take extraordinary measures in attempts to "stake out" problem areas of the water area.


In addition to deploying garrisons on the Spratly Islands, troops are actively using a variety of DK1 rigs, which are spread across the open sea. After personnel appeared on them back in the 1980s, a network of “tiny metal islands” was created to counteract Chinese expansion.

It continues to function until now, recalling the plot of "Water World". People living here are trying to switch to self-sufficiency. Pets are bred at the stations - rabbits, chicken, cattle - and vegetables are grown.

It has a dual purpose and enlisted in the ranks of the Navy, a fleet consisting of Van Hoa class boats. They engage in marine fishing in disputed waters, but when they meet with Chinese fishermen, they begin to pursue them. Steel ships weighing 400 tons are capable of patrolling the coast and ocean areas for a very long period of time.

"Van Hoa" have modern means of communication and solid weapons, represented by 12,7 mm heavy machine guns, grenade launchers (for example, SPG-9) and launchers based on RPG-7.




“Water World” in Vietnamese: how to protect the disputed waters


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  1. A hundred 12 January 2020 10: 26 New
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    The Vietnamese always disliked the Chinese ... There were impudent comrades.
    And now especially!
    But Vietnam is waiting for Russia, they remember us and tell their grandchildren to their children hi
    1. donavi49 12 January 2020 10: 40 New
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      Well, under Obama, they just drove Russia quite well. And Obama signed epoch-making contracts worth tens of billions of dollars there. Trump, of course, lost his mind on Vietnam. But, the backlog works. American corporations enjoy the preferences that Obama knocked out.


      Well, if you open purchases on the military-technical cooperation, then for example:
      SAM - Carapace or Torah? No 5 Rafael SPYDER-MR batteries.

      Naval Systems - USA
      On February 12, 2019, Commander of the US Armed Forces in the Indian and Pacific Oceans (USINDOPACOM), Admiral Philip S. Davidson, among other things, speaking about the development of US military cooperation with Vietnam, announced acquisition of Vietnam's new US military systems.

      Patrol boats? From used USA.


      Shooter - Galil ACE.

      UAV - Heron

      MTC - Airbus C295M


      New frigates - most likely Sigma


      Of the current contracts, only T-90, X-35 and a trifle, such as assistance, outsourcing and maintenance.
      1. A hundred 12 January 2020 11: 01 New
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        Quote: donavi49
        Well, under Obama, they just drove Russia quite well. And Obama signed epoch-making contracts worth tens of billions of dollars there. Trump, of course, lost his mind on Vietnam.

        I read an interview with the Vietnamese like that .. They directly say. We hate the United States (how much grief they brought us and devastation) .. But we have to cooperate with them because for some reason you Russians do not want to return to us .. And most importantly, they do not wait freebies, etc. from us .. They have money!
        Just invite, we’ll probably agree ..
        That's what a shame .. angry
        1. knn54 12 January 2020 11: 37 New
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          China is Vietnam's largest trading partner. It accounts for 34 percent of all Vietnamese imports and 13 percent of exports. In recent years, the imbalance in trade has increased in favor of China. China does not consider Vietnam as equal.
          But Vietnam is a neighbor. Hanoi is well aware of this and is ready to move closer to the United States and Japan. That will strengthen its position in the bargaining with China .. which is forced to invest a lot in the "security belt".
          I have not met young people of other nationalities who sincerely hated the United States, like the Vietnamese.
        2. Eug
          Eug 12 January 2020 11: 50 New
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          They are very offended by their close cooperation with China ... India too.
        3. ccsr 13 January 2020 20: 06 New
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          Quote: Hundred
          .But we have to cooperate with them, because for some reason you Russians do not want to return to us ..

          And how do you imagine a former member of the CPSU, Putin, who admits that the Communist Party of Vietnam has achieved more outstanding results by postponing the war with France and the United States in the second half of the XNUMXth century than the most advanced capitalists from United Russia during the thirty years of their reign. And if without the CP of China it is difficult for us to stand against the United States, then we have a cool attitude towards the DPRK and Vietnam partly due to ideological contradictions, and it is difficult to hide under the guise of a multipolar world. In general, they are not fellow travelers of capitalist Russia, so there is no need to wait for a serious rapprochement.
      2. Ross xnumx 12 January 2020 11: 20 New
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        Quote: donavi49
        Well, under Obama, they just drove Russia quite well.

        They, who swept Russia, had nothing to do with Obama. To the Bush and Clinton - probably. In the world “holy place” does not happen empty. Guess why from the time of the GMS from the USSR, and after from its successor, Russia, Vietnam, Cuba, the countries of Africa and the Middle East, Latin America and even Europe began to move away (look for other partners ... And not the fact that Vietnam revealed “Friendly hugs” for the USA. He tried to cuddle with Russia, but he only caught air. Friendship is not built solely on mutual benefit. These are the rules of "business." Vietnam has chosen those whose business is more accessible.
        Quote: donavi49
        And Obama signed epoch-making contracts worth tens of billions of dollars there.

        What is so "epoch-making"? The next use of cheap labor for the assembly of electronics and harmful production.
        As for billionth contracts:
        ... Boeing will sell 100 of its aircraft to Vietnamese VietJet for more than $ 16 ...

        Or did they have to wait until they assemble 100 Russian SSJ-100s or come up with composites for the MS-21? So airplanes, so that they can be used on international lines, must have certificates ... Do our developers have such? Maybe the conveyor stamps Russian planes like pies?
        And to make sweeping statements of the type: “everyone betrayed us and left us” is unworthy. Because those who today in power in Russia have done absolutely nothing for Vietnam at the end of the 60s of the last century, and there is nothing for Vietnam to bow to them ...
        However, like many Russians before 110 “Russian” dollar billionaires and 264 millionaires from the Forbes list ...
        hi
        1. tihonmarine 12 January 2020 12: 39 New
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          Quote: ROSS 42
          Because those who today in power in Russia have done absolutely nothing for Vietnam at the end of the 60s of the last century, and there is nothing for Vietnam to bow to them ...

          They just threw Vietnam to please the West. Lost all friends.
          1. A hundred 12 January 2020 13: 06 New
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            Quote: tihonmarine
            They just threw Vietnam to please the West. Lost all friends.

            That was all, and now everything is incomprehensible ..
      3. Paranoid50 12 January 2020 13: 39 New
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        Quote: donavi49
        Obama signed epoch-making contracts worth tens of billions of dollars there.

        Oh, what a stream of boiling water ... fellow Concluded, concluded. yes At that time, 636.3 - 6 units and 11661 - 2 pairs were shipped to Vietnam. And, by the way, the order for the third pair of Cheetahs is on the way, yeah. And so yes - more, more boiling water ... laughing
        1. donavi49 12 January 2020 14: 00 New
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          636 contracts 2009 years (when Obama just came) and 2012.

          Cheetahs Contracts 2006/2011.

          Su-Xnumx - 2004 year (24 units) and 2013 (12 MK2).

          Outside 2020 year. I wrote that of the current T-90, X35 and service / outsourcing.

          As for the third pair - there is no paper yet. No paper = nothing.

          December 10, 2019 - the first information and even the board did not agree:
          When asked which turbines will stand on the third pair of Cheetahs, if Vietnam orders it, Volkov answered: "Today we are not talking about the supply of engines from Ukraine, these will be other engines. Which - it's too early to say".

          In the meantime, they have already received decently so used ships. Retrofitted them X-35.



          And they may well decide to continue to save money for Sigma. That neighbors in Indonesia bake them like pies. And Vietnam is the most backward or something ...
      4. antivirus 12 January 2020 13: 51 New
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        Van Hoa "have modern means of communication and solid weapons, represented by 12,7 mm heavy machine guns, grenade launchers (for example, SPG-9) and launchers based on RPG-7.

        WHAT COCHLES DO NOT KNOW? --Here to the Ukrainians READY OKIYAN FLEET. Poroshenko loot cuts instead of street fleet
        1. donavi49 12 January 2020 14: 08 New
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          Well, that’s how they bought 16 billion Boeings. Plus continued the technology park. Plus, there is the equivalent of 4 billion per 10 years for benefits for a number of American companies because they enter the country.


          Trump is too off topic. it was rolled slightly.


          Of the 83 thousand occupied Americans and 21 billion of the total contracts - mostly Obama’s Boeings were entered.

          And after that they opened the egg. South Koreans are also welcome.
    2. Terenin 12 January 2020 10: 40 New
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      Disagreements and small “graters” between neighbors are commonplace.
      But, as long as there is statehood, with its verticals and horizons of power, it is easier to come to an agreement with any country and avoid conflicts than with the destroyed ones, on the part of the great democrats - the USA and K.
      1. A hundred 12 January 2020 10: 55 New
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        Quote: Terenin
        Disagreements and small “graters” between neighbors are commonplace.
        But, as long as there is statehood, with its verticals and horizons of power, it is easier to come to an agreement with any country and avoid conflicts than with the destroyed ones, on the part of the great democrats - the USA and K.

        Well, here I agree with you dear .. The world problem in the world now, the United States with its destructive and predatory policies ..
        They do not sit on their continent bastards ..
    3. iouris 12 January 2020 11: 52 New
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      Quote: Hundred
      But Russia is waiting for Vietnam, they remember us

      They remember the USSR, perhaps, and even then, the Vietnamese leaders never vigilantly watched that information about the contribution of the USSR to the victory over the USA was strictly dosed. Even the destruction of aircraft by air defense missiles was attributed to the heroic actions of peasants armed with rifles. And what can the Russian Federation offer Vietnam in return for Gnusmas smartphones and tablets? What can they not buy from others? Vietnam has a complicated relationship with China, but a centuries-old history suggests that the Vietnamese are coping without outside help.
      1. A hundred 12 January 2020 12: 10 New
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        Quote: iouris
        They remember the USSR, perhaps, and even then, the Vietnamese leaders never vigilantly watched that information about the contribution of the USSR to the victory over the USA was strictly dosed. Even the destruction of aircraft by air defense missiles was attributed to the heroic actions of peasants armed with rifles.

        All right, the Soviet specialists were not officially there, like the pilots ..
        But they guarded our specialists, at the slightest threat, they all rushed and covered our bodies .. (this is from the memoirs) They were indignant, but to no avail .. The Vietnamese were good students, they had fighting spirit and love for their country !!!! Although they lived poorly, they shared the last cup of rice with ours and we naturally .. Here we survived against the USA !!!
        Quote: iouris
        And what can the Russian Federation offer Vietnam in return for Gnusmas smartphones and tablets? What can they not buy from others? Vietnam has a complicated relationship with China, but a centuries-old history suggests that the Vietnamese are coping without outside help.

        Well, why, weapons, and also build factories .. NPPs they need too .. We would love to buy our wheat, and not through the US Exchange, etc. Agricultural equipment is also in price. Well, here it’s a long time to list .. The question is that someone is slowing it down and trying to finally put Russia on an oil and gas needle ..
        A lot of work for men and politicians and special services .. Give the corridor and the exchange will go .. !!!!!
        1. iouris 12 January 2020 12: 23 New
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          Quote: Hundred
          Give the corridor and the exchange will go .. !!!!!

          I can not.
          On the other hand, I see that Vietnamese capital, together with Israeli capital, is already solving the food problem. On the lands of the former USSR and the RSFSR, in particular.
          1. A hundred 12 January 2020 13: 03 New
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            Quote: iouris
            I can not.

            laughing good Well, if you please say wink
            Quote: iouris
            On the other hand, I see that Vietnamese capital, together with Israeli capital, is already solving the food problem. On the lands of the former USSR and the RSFSR, in particular.

            Well, all this can be solved if we seriously tackle this problem ..
            And here again, a legislative corridor is needed, up to the involvement of special services .. A vicious circle is still in progress in Russia!
            1. Grandfather 12 January 2020 13: 47 New
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              Quote: Hundred
              A hundred

              oh "mihan" ....
              1. A hundred 12 January 2020 13: 53 New
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                Quote: Dead Day
                Quote: Hundred
                A hundred

                oh "mihan" ....

                Yes, I'm not encrypted .. Useless hehe
            2. Cat Kuzya 12 January 2020 13: 48 New
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              The USSR taught the Vietnamese and other freebies. And they continue to desire this freebie already from Russia. It is freebies, not mutually beneficial cooperation. Moreover, the fact that Russia now does not give them freebies, but requires payment at world prices, they defiantly go to the competitors of Russia, and even despite the fact that competitors are more expensive.
    4. rich 12 January 2020 14: 00 New
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      Vietnam is actively using many drilling rigs that are spread across the open sea. After personnel appeared on them back in the 1980s, a network of “tiny metal islands” was created to counteract Chinese expansion.

      Six acres in Vietnamese yes
  2. bouncyhunter 12 January 2020 10: 31 New
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    In addition to deploying garrisons on the Spratly Islands, troops are actively using a variety of DK1 rigs, which are spread across the open sea.

    It has a dual purpose and enlisted in the ranks of the Navy, a fleet consisting of Van Hoa class boats. “Van Hoa” have modern means of communication and solid weapons, represented by 12,7 mm heavy machine guns, grenade launchers (for example, SPG-9) and rocket launchers based on RPG-7.

    For some reason, a quote from "Features of the National Hunt" comes to mind:
    1. bessmertniy 12 January 2020 10: 42 New
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      This is a fisherman's dream! belay Directly from the bedroom you can throw a fishing rod and fish. We, too, should be poached in this way our shallow waters. hi
      1. Svarog51 12 January 2020 13: 28 New
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        Exactly! Our capelin disappeared in stores. Sellers say there will be no year. Can the Vietnamese contract? good As payment for the T-90.
        Victor hi
  3. Izotovp 12 January 2020 10: 45 New
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    I have long written about the need to install such platforms in various key places. You can cram a lot of things there. And a radar, and a sonar, and a tanker for diesel engines, and an arms depot. As a base for helicopters and drones for various purposes, and for a mosquito fleet. In the same Baltic Sea or near Somalia ... but who knows where ...
  4. Paul Siebert 12 January 2020 10: 46 New
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    If you go back to the plot of the film, then the Chinese are the same "smokers".
    They are floating on a huge rusty vessel with oil.
    They fly into a shobla.
    Everything that happens will be taken from the poor islanders.
    But somewhere beyond the horizon there is a "paradise land" ... with a tricolor over the Kremlin ...
    1. Livonetc 12 January 2020 10: 51 New
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      Your cherished dream is laid under the rotten symbol of the mattress, no more.
  5. Alex_Rarog 12 January 2020 10: 58 New
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    The need for inventions is cunning .... The Vietnamese are not accustomed to living on water ..
  6. Roller Coaster1863 12 January 2020 11: 47 New
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    Russia is China's ally ... China is the enemy of Vietnam ... Rapprochement with the US is logical for Vietnam.
  7. The leader of the Redskins 12 January 2020 12: 02 New
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    Very interesting article! I read it with pleasure)))
  8. Amateur 12 January 2020 12: 20 New
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    After personnel appeared on them back in the 1980s, a network of “tiny metal islands” was created to counteract Chinese expansion.

    After 100 years, the network of "tiny metal islands" has grown.
    fellow
  9. Mountain shooter 12 January 2020 12: 22 New
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    The original solution ... It is quite robust, with limited resources. There the seas are shallow, and such platforms - in PEACE time - are the support of the maritime border. And in the military - stationary targets, the crew of which is doomed to destruction ...
    1. Svarog51 12 January 2020 13: 33 New
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      Eugene hi If these platforms still function for their intended purpose, then I agree. And if they play the role of "border outposts" - they are not of interest. Well, do not spend the same rocket on a dozen people, a hundred rabbits and a cabbage crop. winked
      1. novobranets 12 January 2020 15: 08 New
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        And if they play the role of "border outposts" - they are not of interest.

        Yeah. The only thing these towers are capable of is to indicate the presence of something like border marker posts. These water farms will not give any slightest repulse. And nobody will spend rockets on them, either, they will simply be bypassed and forgotten.
        1. Svarog51 12 January 2020 15: 25 New
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          Vyacheslav hi So I think that while there are no weapons on the platforms - they do not carry threats. The whole question is if under the cells with rabbits and greenhouses with cabbage universal missile systems, at least of short range, are not masked. Otherwise, these are stationary security posts. It’s quite dangerous in range.
          1. novobranets 12 January 2020 17: 06 New
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            Sergei hi . Openwork platforms are good because they have a small sail area. But it’s worth putting a missile container on them, which is much larger than a rabbit cottage, I think they will stand up to the first flurry of which those places are famous. And powerful, deeply anchored towers, such as drilling platforms, cost so much that you can build a cruiser with that money. And Vietnam, again, is not rich in pennies. Well, back to the beginning of the circle, these towers, unfortunately (I sympathize with the Vietnamese), are pure formality, border milestones.
            1. Svarog51 12 January 2020 18: 38 New
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              Nah, Vyacheslav, I'm talking about short-range systems. Like ATGMs, they don’t, in principle, care - a tank or a ship. All cimus from ignorance of the enemy that he is. And stick something short enough to pierce the ship under the waterline from a short distance - this is to send it for repair. Already something. The factor of surprise. If the tower is not profitable, exchange it for a frigate, I think it makes sense. But these my speculations are related to military operations, and in peacetime it is up to the Vietnamese to decide how to use them.
              1. novobranets 12 January 2020 19: 03 New
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                So for that they are of "short range", they will simply be bypassed, without getting involved and without wasting time. And if there is no way to get around, then naval artillery whips much further than ATGMs, immovable targets are split without entering the affected zone, shells are in every way cheaper than missiles. Even taking into account the surprise factor, I don’t think that ATGMs will be able to inflict any significant damage to the enemy, unless, of course, he attacks with light boats. The Bastions would not be hindered by Vietnam for such a case, but the thing is expensive, whether it will be pulled.
                1. Svarog51 12 January 2020 19: 14 New
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                  Duc, if they know, but if not? And come close? An inspection lot for 50 miles is not planted. And then an unexpected man. And if there is more abrupt than ATGM, say RZSO?
                  1. novobranets 12 January 2020 19: 25 New
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                    Quote: Svarog51
                    And if there is more abrupt than ATGM, say RZSO?

                    You probably wanted to say MLRS? So from it on purpose, and even moving, you will not fall, they are structurally designed for firing at squares, a large dispersion. Yes, and the power is small, and difficult to hide. During the Second World War, there were cases when destroyers built in the 20s and 30s retained combat readiness after hitting 200kg air bombs, or a pair of torpedoes. Here, in VO, a man puts out good articles about the fleets of different countries of those times, there such cases are described. In order to critically damage a ship, a very strong charge is needed. In addition, a hypothetical attacker will not plant an inspection team in each chicken house, or they will ignore it, or if they don’t like something, they’ll just smash it. hi
                    1. Svarog51 12 January 2020 19: 34 New
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                      Yes, I apologize, I was mistaken. Well, direct fire at least something but slap, and taking into account the lack of armor, and break and do it. These are not WWII battleships, but modern destroyers and corvettes. Vyacheslav, but we won’t soap the withers, for disclosure? Or for an alternative?
                      1. novobranets 12 January 2020 19: 39 New
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                        Quote: Svarog51
                        Vyacheslav, but we won’t soap the withers, for disclosure? Or for an alternative?

                        Ts-s-s. bullyWe won’t tell anyone. no MLRS missile flies along a ballistic trajectory, on direct fire, its range will be ridiculous lol and aiming, again, is even funnier laughing .
                      2. Svarog51 12 January 2020 19: 43 New
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                        I’m in a whisper, only to you - if the destroyer is in cable mode, then it’s difficult not to get into it from the RPG. Even quieter, and if he stalled and the inspection team puts in boats. And here we are, bang! How?
                        Tomorrow Old New Year - fit in as a salute? drinks wink
                      3. novobranets 12 January 2020 19: 57 New
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                        Well, imagine yourself in the place of the commander of a group of ships with the task of landing and seizing the coast. Otherwise, why do warships go there at all? Will you waste time searching for places of interest such as the cabbage bed and rabbitry? And if you suspect the presence of weapons on these towers that could damage the recreation center, then I think you’ll just shy away from the cannon, and will not slow down the course and send the group to inspect all these farms, jeopardizing the fulfillment of the task, since the main thing is known in landing suddenness and speed. Happy New Year. drinks soldier
                      4. Svarog51 12 January 2020 20: 05 New
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                        Vyacheslav, well, be afraid of God, I'm a simple machine gunner. Who will entrust me with the squadron? And if they trust? No, I cannot explain to the disclosure of my intentions! And do not beg. And in general, I protect the platform, so that the hares and cabbage are safe and sound for the benefit of the Motherland. And this one - let there be stewed rabbit meat with cabbage for a snack on your table, and not a landing plan on the coast of Vietnam. soldier good drinks
                      5. novobranets 12 January 2020 20: 06 New
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                        Quote: Svarog51
                        And if they trust? No, I cannot explain to the disclosure of my intentions! And do not beg. And in general, I protect the platform so that the hares and cabbage are safe and sound for the good of the Motherland

                        laughing laughing laughing good
                      6. Svarog51 12 January 2020 20: 08 New
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                        Well? For Understanding! drinks
                      7. novobranets 12 January 2020 20: 09 New
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                        Quote: Svarog51
                        For Understanding!

                        Symmetrically. drinks
                      8. Svarog51 12 January 2020 20: 11 New
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                        Symmetrically.

                        Alaverdi! Let it be so! drinks
  • Pavel57 12 January 2020 13: 22 New
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    When Vietnam was forgiven debt, why didn’t they stipulate obligations for the purchase of Russian goods? For example Tu-204?