More declared TTX: During the tests, the Iskander-M OTRK missile flew about 627 km


The Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan confirmed the information that on January 9, Russian military personnel of the test center of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation conducted missile tests at one of the training grounds in the northern part of the republic. We are talking about the operation of the landfill on the basis of an interstate agreement of 1995.


According to the latest information, a modernized version of the Iskander-M missile system was tested. At the same time, the tests ended abnormally.

From the message of the press service of the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan:

The wreckage of one of the missiles fell outside the designated areas. There was no explosion. In the area of ​​the fall in the Bayganinsky district of the Aktobe region there are no victims and destruction. The situation is not dangerous for the population. The fall area is cordoned off by police. Clarification of circumstances and reasons will be carried out by the Kazakh-Russian commission under the akimat (administration - approx. “VO”) of the Aktobe region.

The Baiganinsky district of the Aktobe region, to which the rocket flew, is located outside the 500-km zone, which was originally defined as the limit. On the network, there were pictures from the place of the fall of the test rocket, as well as data on how much distance it eventually covered. If you believe the published data, the rocket OTRK Iskander-M covered a distance of about 627 km. This is more than the declared performance characteristics.

Screen from e-maksimov.livejournal.com:



Photos from the place of the fall:




Earlier in the US, Russia was accused of "violating the INF Treaty" in relation to the development of the 9M729 missile. In the United States, they stated that the missile range exceeds 500 km. In Russia, they rejected the allegations, saying that the 9M729 range was not more than 480 km. As a result, the States withdrew from the treaty last year, having conducted several tests of medium- and shorter-range ground-based missiles in recent months.
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  1. mark1 12 January 2020 09: 49 New
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    Maybe flying in a straight line did not wag. maybe the wind was fair ... In any case, if you refuse the INF Treaty, it would not be bad to bring the range to 800-900 kM.
    1. SRC P-15 12 January 2020 09: 51 New
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      As a result, the States withdrew from the treaty last year,

      And there was nothing to go ... yes
      1. bouncyhunter 12 January 2020 09: 56 New
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        Sasha, categorically welcome! hi drinks
        Quote: SRC P-15
        And there was nothing to go ...

        Reached someday ... repeat
        1. SRC P-15 12 January 2020 10: 03 New
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          Quote: bouncyhunter
          Reach someday

          Greetings, Pasha! hi drinks
          Let me go! But our rockets began to fly further. laughing
          True and minusers on the site increased. yes
          1. bouncyhunter 12 January 2020 10: 21 New
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            Quote: SRC P-15
            But our rockets began to fly further

            I delicately keep silent about anti-aircraft combines and mowers with vertical take-off ... lol
            Quote: SRC P-15
            minusers on the site increased

            Spit on them and drink cold water.
            1. Alexanast 12 January 2020 11: 21 New
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              Pasha, hi .. But actually it’s not said what kind of rocket it was ..
              We can old, we can 9M729, but we can still what .. request tongue
              1. bouncyhunter 12 January 2020 11: 26 New
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                Sanya, hello and with all the holidays! hi drinks
                Quote: Alexanast
                it is not said what kind of rocket was

                And in order to start to stink is it really important what kind of rocket? The important thing is that it is Russian. And the rest in the West will be invented by yourself ...
                1. Alexanast 12 January 2020 11: 31 New
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                  And you don’t get sick! drinks

                  And in order to start to stink


                  So to stink "West" and never stopped ... And we have a lot of cancer good all sorts of different .. am
                  And we are not shy about our complexes. bully
                  1. bouncyhunter 12 January 2020 11: 38 New
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                    Quote: Alexanast
                    So to stink "west" and never stopped ..

                    Even when there were no mattresses in mind, remember who said:
                    "English shit" yes
                    1. Alexanast 12 January 2020 11: 45 New
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                      Kohl happened trouble
                      Look back and forth:
                      Is there a mean Englishwoman
                      In the wake incident?


                      So mattresses are made up of all the substance
                      brown that of an old european
                      I got it.
                      And the main ringleader who was there ... That's it ..
                      1. bouncyhunter 12 January 2020 11: 48 New
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                        Quote: Alexanast
                        So mattresses are made up of all the substance
                        brown that of an old european
                        ran along

                        Sasha, that’s how we differ from mattresses: we remember the story, not rewrite it! good
                      2. Alexanast 12 January 2020 11: 55 New
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                        Right... fellow
                        After all, as they say, whoever forgets his story, .. Khan, in short, he will .. yes
                      3. bouncyhunter 12 January 2020 12: 09 New
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                        Quote: Alexanast
                        Khan, in short, he will

                        "He who does not know the past - has no future!" (c) Seneca Lucius Anney.
                    2. krot 12 January 2020 12: 55 New
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                      And there was nothing to go ... yes

                      I agree! Now no one can show anything ..) And we upgraded a little bit the old rocket and business .. laughing
          2. kjhg 12 January 2020 11: 45 New
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            Quote: Alexanast
            But actually it’s not said what kind of rocket it was ..

            This is the most interesting question in this situation. If it was a cruise missile that you wrote about and about which all the ears buzzed by the Americans, then this is not at all surprising. But if it was a ballistic missile, then this is a completely different story.
            1. Alexanast 12 January 2020 11: 52 New
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              This is the most interesting question in this situation.


              Well, as Valery Kashin said:


              We continue further development work
              to create new missiles for the Iskander-M complex.
              It is constantly evolving. A few more types of missiles have been created, outwardly they do not differ, but inside - dramatically. Now
              he has to say the least seven types of missiles, and maybe more


              So yes, there is something to think about ..
            2. D16
              D16 12 January 2020 15: 15 New
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              But if it was a ballistic missile, then this is a completely different story.

              In the photo of the wreckage, a very characteristic 9M723 tail is visible. In the light of the current treaty, they did not test the campaign at maximum range, abandoning quasi-ballistic buns. And it’s where it flew away. The landfill was too small laughing .
          3. hydrox 12 January 2020 12: 29 New
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            It is only known that the “modernized”
            Now the modernization is easily done: it cuts into the engine tube half a meter - and to the training ground, getting 627 km.
            1. Boa kaa 12 January 2020 19: 21 New
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              Quote: hydrox
              "modernized"
              Now modernization is easily done

              Yes ... But maybe they just replaced the fuel, additives or some thread metals were added to the mixture. They reduced the weight of warheads, and minimized avionics, made the case easier - and here you have 627 km ...
              "Modernized" products, as a rule, significantly add to their new LTH ...
              IMHO.
          4. Dzafdet 12 January 2020 15: 52 New
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            9M79 is a cruise missile. In the picture - ballistic ...
            1. hydrox 12 January 2020 21: 01 New
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              Never mind :: our zhurnalyugi in this regard are famous deer! If only the photo was photogenic laughing
            2. Boa kaa 12 January 2020 21: 24 New
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              Quote: Dzafdet
              9M79 is a cruise missile.

              Colleague, you missed "2" after the number 7. yes
              Therefore, your statement is incorrect: there is 9K79 - this is the “Tochka-U” - a BALLISTIC missile, tactical, division link ... with D = 120 km ...
              When writing, check what you have!
              1. Dzafdet 3 February 2020 11: 45 New
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                I only know 9K52 from the VUS. The rest is from the internet. 9M72 like recently began to produce and because of it, the Americans raised the nook?
          5. opus 12 January 2020 16: 22 New
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            Quote: Alexanast
            can 9M729

            definitely not "can" 9M729

            well, "kaka-taka"? if it's 9M723 (-1), very much similar to the K5 version
            1. Alexanast 12 January 2020 21: 30 New
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              Well so, I say so ... yes And the mattresses, by the way, did not howl at her.
      2. Lipchanin 12 January 2020 11: 13 New
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        Quote: SRC P-15
        True and minusers on the site increased.

        Factor of request
        1. novel66 12 January 2020 12: 41 New
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          Well, to the penalty of them !! Seryoz, hi! hi
          1. krot 12 January 2020 12: 58 New
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            True and minusers on the site increased.

            This is how the cyber security department works for the Sumerians. They didn’t come up with anything else. laughing
            1. Titus 13 January 2020 02: 37 New
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              Visibly minus
          2. Lipchanin 12 January 2020 14: 48 New
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            Quote: novel xnumx
            Well, to the penalty of them !! Seryoz, hi! hi

            Hey Ya. hi I exit the modem, and it periodically turns off, so I don’t immediately answer sad
      3. HAM
        HAM 12 January 2020 11: 22 New
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        About the "minusers": it would be necessary to restore the flags on the VO, I made this conclusion, the minuses are put, mostly newly registered (judging by the removed number of points, "generals" and "colonels" take 100-120 points at once), and THESE 5-10, it’s easy to guess where the wind comes from ...
        1. hydrox 12 January 2020 12: 34 New
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          What do you want from the young?
          Nobody taught them that if an interlocutor begins to be minus, they will remain without a rating at all. But really, from somewhere, a fresh liberoid reserve has come down ...
          1. novel66 12 January 2020 12: 42 New
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            already basement, so basement ... hello hi
            1. hydrox 12 January 2020 13: 01 New
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              Healthy and healthy with NG and Christmas yes
              1. novel66 12 January 2020 13: 22 New
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                looking forward to baptism ... and old new still
                1. hydrox 12 January 2020 14: 01 New
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                  Roma-Roma, what are you saying?
                  Have you ever tried to think :: why was it noted in Old Soviet times by Old NG? And it was all of us that were then propagandized: our "internal" (hidden) dissidents noted simply as opposed to the new calculus of the calendar (according to the Soviet regime!).
                  And now, in the name of what should we celebrate Old NG?
                  There were no liberoids, there was no new holiday on this occasion - and there was NOTHING to celebrate. What did the Poles kick? So this is not a holiday, but just a victory - it could not be otherwise! May 9 - yes, this is a serious holiday, we could pull the Second World War, but Boch saved!
                  That's all, with the holidays we have a failure, and the fact that we took NG for a booze for a week, I won’t drink so much, but they wander around in Courchevel, smash their legs from the mountain, and, in Thailand, poop fried worms .. .
                  The problem ... laughing
                  1. novel66 12 January 2020 14: 41 New
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                    We have no reason not to drink !! drinks
                  2. hydrox 12 January 2020 16: 28 New
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                    And what, the quite reasonable completion of heavy thoughtfulness, as a rule, helps (after all, we need so little) laughing
                  3. novel66 12 January 2020 18: 54 New
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                    say in our opinion, we drank a little ....
                  4. hydrox 12 January 2020 21: 12 New
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                    However, the sun gave in firmly: 25-30 minutes of solo - and soaked 100-150 throats, but it was given to the song in such a way that it just didn’t let off steam ...
                  5. novel66 12 January 2020 21: 13 New
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                    and slept on that ...
                  6. hydrox 12 January 2020 21: 22 New
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                    By the way, 25.01/XNUMX he has a day ...
        2. Boa kaa 12 January 2020 19: 33 New
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          Quote: hydrox
          dissidents simply as opposed to the new calculus of the calendar (according to Soviet rule!).

          For some reason, for some reason, it seemed to me that Peter the Great introduced a new reckoning from January 1, 1700, moving from the Gregorian to the Julian calendar ... So, the Soviet government has nothing to do with it! A story would not hurt to know ...
        3. hydrox 12 January 2020 21: 07 New
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          Well, since you know history so well, please be kind enough to explain when the Soviet Union celebrated the revolution: November 7 or October 25, and where the discrepancy came from.
          The answer should be the only one! laughing
        4. novel66 12 January 2020 21: 14 New
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          history is multidimensional ...
        5. hydrox 13 January 2020 06: 41 New
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          This is true: multidimensional, but also CONTINUOUS ... yes
      4. Boa kaa 12 January 2020 21: 14 New
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        Yes, everything seems to be clear to everyone!
        On the night of November 7-8 (in a new style and according to the old style, this happened from October 25 to 26) in 1917, an uprising took place in Petrograd. At the signal, which was the shot of the cruiser Aurora, armed workers, soldiers and sailors captured the Winter Palace, overthrew the Provisional Government and proclaimed the Power of the Soviets
        Or do you have other data? bully
      5. hydrox 12 January 2020 21: 25 New
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        So Peter or the Soviet government introduced a new style, "expert"?
        And in what style did Russia live before the revolution, "expert"?
      6. Boa kaa 12 January 2020 21: 37 New
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        Quote: hydrox
        So Peter or the Soviet government introduced a new style,

        Colleague! Thanks for the admonition: I had to get into the directory ... To my shame I found:
        In Russia, the Gregorian calendar (new style) was introduced on February 14, 1918.

        I repent and sprinkle ash on my head ... (Two times "Ku" !!!) hi
      7. hydrox 13 January 2020 06: 39 New
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        OK, sanded!
  • AUL
    AUL 12 January 2020 15: 48 New
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    Quote: hydrox
    What do you want from the young?
    Nobody taught them that if an interlocutor begins to be minus, they will remain without any rating.

    But does anyone really care about this rating? Well, besides schoolchildren, of course.
    1. hydrox 12 January 2020 16: 44 New
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      Here you are very wrong: the point is not in the rating as such, but in its comparative connection with the nature of the worldview.
      Just imagine, there are traditionalists at VO who have a certain orientation of opinion, and he supports this opinion with his comments.
      Suddenly, out of nowhere, a gang of young liberoid alkaline feathers flies up and leaves this traditionalist plucked like a chicken and completely in the cons. And then they mock: "Look, look at this sacrifice of the Soviets - well, what did he achieve?" (and the look is really pale - and after all, not everyone has the character and nature to get involved in a sub-fence).
      Therefore, the rating is not a figure of speech, but a very tangible ideo-political factor, very important in that ideo-economic war for power that our liberoids are waging with us.
      You can not pay attention, but how much does this position differ from the ostrich's pose, whose feathers from the goose will stick out behind the ear of the liberoids?
      1. AUL
        AUL 12 January 2020 18: 18 New
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        Quote: hydrox
        Here you are very wrong: the point is not in the rating as such, but in its comparative connection with the nature of the worldview.

        Well, I just can’t agree with you! Am I supposed to get involved in a skirmish with anyone who disagrees with me? So local trolls just need it! Why do i need wuxitry to prove something to someone whose opinion I, to put it mildly, do not really cherish? I expressed my opinion - and enough for me. Far from any commentators I am interested in discussing. Although there are those with whom it is interesting to argue, those who hear what I'm talking about. Who listens to the arguments. And those who simply "take a sip", filling up with slogans - God bless them! But I will not prove to the dog on the street that barked at me, how wrong she is?
        1. hydrox 12 January 2020 21: 19 New
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          Well, why? Each interlocutor is free to choose for himself, but if you have a goal to bring your opinion to the interlocutor, then you will have to enter into a dialogue. So, in order to do this, we are herding here in order to find out what kind of relation is here with your own point of view (we do not take trolls into account, minus serves to distinguish them from normal people laughing ).
          1. AUL
            AUL 12 January 2020 23: 29 New
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            And again I do not agree! I express my opinion in my post. And at the same time I do not set myself the goal of convincing ALL of my innocence. As a rule, discussions between irreconcilable opponents simply slide into a trivial flashing, often with a shift to personalities and insults. But there is no result in them. You saw at least one post like "You convinced me, I was wrong!" ? I don’t remember that. So in our dispute, I do not expect to convince you, just explaining my point of view. And so as not to slip into empty bickering, I’m ending this debate. hi
          2. hydrox 13 January 2020 06: 48 New
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            Very good badly.
            It is such a post that is in this material, and is sixth up from this your comment, and all because you are convinced of your ETERNAL correctness - and this does not happen in nature.
            So: "Never say never!"
          3. AUL
            AUL 14 January 2020 08: 07 New
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            Quote: hydrox
            This post is in this material, and is the sixth up from this your comment,

            Yes, I saw this post! Is it really about such discussions? This is a factual mistake, a man forgot. We were talking about disputes on social and ideological topics.
            and all because you are convinced of your ETERNAL rightness
            Well, the question of my beliefs you picked completely in vain! He is far beyond your competence.
          4. hydrox 14 January 2020 10: 44 New
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            So, somersaulting your beliefs with your competence is your right.
            All the best.
          5. AUL
            AUL 14 January 2020 14: 21 New
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            Quote: hydrox
            So, somersaulting your beliefs with your competence is your right.

            You see, you have now confirmed that I am right - all sorts of lengthy discussions eventually turn into rudeness and an exchange of insults. Although I, God and the rest of the forum users, were extremely correct in our dialogue, but you could not resist in the end.
            And you do not cough! hi
            PS I give you the last word in the dialogue. For free! Apparently, this is very important for you.
          6. hydrox 14 January 2020 16: 26 New
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            Thank you, without pleasure, but forced ...
            Quote: AUL
            you have now confirmed my innocence

            SUCH rightness, especially in SUCH form, can be interesting and important only to you, and no one else.
            All the best ...
  • Pattor 12 January 2020 19: 12 New
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    exactly. straight trouble-rating. like he doesn’t care. not for rating sitting here.
    1. hydrox 13 January 2020 06: 50 New
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      But the rating is not only a digital figure, it is also a shoulder strap ... laughing
  • Incvizitor 12 January 2020 15: 07 New
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    About minusers, it would be necessary to oblige putting minus, write the reason and nickname, so that when you click on the minuses, everything was visible.
    1. hydrox 12 January 2020 16: 48 New
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      There are forums with such engines and not one or three at all.
      But it is not for us to talk about this topic ourselves, it is necessary for system administrators to raise such topics - then this will be good.
    2. volodimer 12 January 2020 19: 21 New
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      I am not opposed to showing who set the minus. I myself sometimes put a minus without explanation, when my disagreement with the comment is already indicated by someone else. But blurt out the minus and wash off, this is bad manners.
      1. Lipchanin 12 January 2020 20: 51 New
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        Quote: volodimer
        But blurt out the minus and wash off, this is bad manners.

        99% of the minuses are just that. For the most part, we take for completely neutral comments.
        Avenge the vile, the quiet. Such an impression as in an ambush. Only saw the comment and away we go ...
  • PN
    PN 12 January 2020 09: 57 New
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    Or maybe this is her real flight range?
    1. Piramidon 12 January 2020 10: 59 New
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      Quote: PN
      Or maybe this is her real flight range?

      Flew 500 km, fell and another 127 km on the ground galloped by inertia. laughing
      1. Charik 12 January 2020 11: 13 New
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        dragged metal
      2. Lipchanin 12 January 2020 11: 15 New
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        Quote: Piramidon
        and another 127 km on the ground galloped by inertia.

        Rubber laughing
        They say in the 70s the Chinese have experienced such a bonbu. About tens of thousands died and suffered lol
        1. novel66 12 January 2020 12: 42 New
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          so still jumping
      3. Baloo 12 January 2020 11: 49 New
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        Quote: Piramidon
        Quote: PN
        Or maybe this is her real flight range?

        Flew 500 km, fell and another 127 km on the ground galloped by inertia. laughing

        I was looking for a target, but could not find
        1. Piramidon 12 January 2020 11: 51 New
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          Quote: Balu
          I was looking for a target, but could not find

          Forgot to enter the command - "Ball, trace!"
          1. Captain45 12 January 2020 12: 30 New
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            Quote: Piramidon
            Forgot to enter the command - "Ball, trace!"

            Or vice versa: they entered the command “trace”, but they did not give the command “fu”, so it crawled, the target was looking for laughing
            1. Piramidon 12 January 2020 13: 51 New
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              Quote: Captain45
              Or vice versa: they entered the command “trace”, but they did not give the command “fu”, so it crawled, the target was looking for

              Everything can be. wink Unfortunately, I know about dog training only by hearsay. I'm more and more cats. hi
      4. sedoj 12 January 2020 12: 52 New
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        smile
        Quote: Piramidon
        Flew 500 km, fell and another 127 km on the ground galloped by inertia.

        So, roughly?
        1. Piramidon 12 January 2020 13: 54 New
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          Quote: sedoj
          smile
          Quote: Piramidon
          Flew 500 km, fell and another 127 km on the ground galloped by inertia.

          So, roughly?

          And that. Quite possible. Moreover, there are many lakes in Kazakhstan (he went there for fishing). Jump from lake to lake. laughing
      5. Freeman 12 January 2020 16: 45 New
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        Quote: Piramidon
        Quote: PN
        Or maybe this is her real flight range?

        Flew 500 km, and fell another 127 km rode the earth by inertia. laughing

        belay Really "Rubber bomb" ???!
        Cold War Joke:
        - America dropped a five-megaton nuclear bomb on the Soviet Union. The victims among the population are one million inhabitants.
        - In response, the Soviet Union dropped a rubber bomb on America. At the moment, the number of victims has already exceeded 20 million, and the bomb still continues to jump ...

        - What can not be found in the "bins" of Soviet military developments laughing
    2. Fan-fan 12 January 2020 11: 39 New
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      If this is a real range, then it turns out that the states correctly accused us of violating the contract.
      1. Fat
        Fat 12 January 2020 12: 15 New
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        Quote: Fan-Fan
        If this is a real range, then it turns out that the states correctly accused us of violating the contract.

        After Fingal, they do not remember the reason for the quarrel. Silya is digging. It’s me in nasvenska, in stupidly. Maybe a calculation for 400 but maybe 600, but after a five-handed contract, it’s already a fool’s head.
      2. Piramidon 12 January 2020 13: 57 New
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        Quote: Fan-Fan
        If this is a real range, then it turns out that the states are correct us accused of breach of contract.

        You, who is this? Podshtatovskih piled up, or what? Kiss Trump on ... (understand where) and he will pay you to sing along.
      3. D16
        D16 12 January 2020 15: 30 New
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        correctly the states accused us of violating the contract.

        Not properly. During testing and operation in the troops, it did not fly further than 480 km. Everything else guesses and insinuations smile . Now they were preoccupied with tests for the maximum range, and judging by the flight outside the landfill, they themselves clearly did not expect such a result. But apparently it was a flight along a ballistic trajectory without any maneuvering.
        1. volodimer 12 January 2020 19: 29 New
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          The missile of the S-200 complex, which the independent one shot down the Tu-154 over the Black Sea, also flew beyond the normal range.
          Perhaps there were different test conditions than those in which the rocket is operating normally, at which it shows a given accuracy.
          I remember the Iraqi SCADs due to reduced accuracy received an increased range compared to the Soviet source.
        2. Boa kaa 12 January 2020 20: 40 New
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          Quote: D16
          But apparently it was a ballistic flight

          Beautiful "Screensaver" article - photo launch 9M723. Everything seems to be good ... However, "vague doubts torment me" ...
          I don’t understand about the “debris” of the rocket, because when it meets the ground it has 20-30g !!! After that, the wreckage is at least 10-15 meters below the surface ... and in the Photo presented by the author and confirmed by the OPUS colleague, the combat equipment is on the surface of the earth, although the rocket does not have a "detachable" from the warhead / battlefield ... The pencil entirely sticks into the target along with the cassette БЧ 9Н722К5, which opens at 900-1400 m above the target ... But it doesn’t separate from the BR case, but sticks into the ground ... And here, in the photo, it lies beautifully on the ground ... burned out.
          Maybe it was nevertheless a CRBD that exploded in flight ... or is it the same BR that went along an abnormal trajectory and was blown up on command from the CP. request
          But.
          1. D16
            D16 12 January 2020 22: 04 New
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            Cases from hail-hurricanes even pierce the asphalt. No doubt about it. But in this case, you should not throw yourself into conspiracy theories. Frozen earth, large diameter and small weight of what plopped at the end did their job. Judging by the stabilizers, this is precisely a ballistic missile. For example, the case from Point U at the end also usually does not stick anywhere.
      4. abc_alex 13 January 2020 00: 25 New
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        If this is a real range, then it turns out that the states correctly accused us of violating the contract.


        Not. You apparently don’t know, but knowledgeable people explained to me in due time. In guided missile weapons, as a rule, the theoretical possible range of uncontrolled flight is higher than the real range of the system. Because there are limitations for accuracy guidance systems. Increased energy is needed to guarantee the achievement of a given range and for the given parameters of maneuverability, acceleration and speed. The "enumeration of ranges" without problems will "win back" the guidance system, which simply leads the missile into the ground. A missile cannot aim at a range of more than 500 km.

        Similarly, tank guns theoretically can shoot at 10 and 12 km. Just aiming at such a range from the tank is impossible. And from the Mosin rifle, theoretically, you can shoot at 1200-1500 meters. Just aiming is impossible.

        In this case, most likely the guidance system failed and the missile fell on a trajectory close to the optimal ballistic. So it flew away.

        The states blamed us unfoundedly, brazenly and off. Everyone who knows the history of the creation of Iskander will tell you very definitely: The invincible, in spite of principle, to spite Gorbachev made a complex capable of flying exactly 500 km maximum and no more.
  • NIKN 12 January 2020 09: 58 New
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    Maybe flying in a straight line did not wag. maybe the wind was fair

    Well, they haven’t adjusted ... :)) Tests are all the same, they will adjust the flight as it should, at least 400, at least 800. wink
    1. Freeman 12 January 2020 10: 31 New
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      Quote: NIKNN
      Quote: mark1
      Maybe flying in a straight line did not wag. maybe the wind was fair

      Well, they haven’t adjusted ... :)) Tests are all the same, they will adjust the flight as it should, at least 400, at least 800. wink


      According to the news agency "OBS" ("One Grandmother Said"), the "tanker soldier" is to blame for everything.

      When pouring "carosene", instead of the put bucket with a capacity of 10 liters, "abnormal" was used - with a capacity of 12 liters. But it is flooded strictly according to the regulations - 5 buckets.

      / * So she “flew”. laughing /
      To the guilty party "strict non-statutory disciplinary measures" were taken.
      Namely - a cross for 10 kilometers with buckets filled with sand. 10 liters in one hand and 12 liters in the other hand (to feel the difference and no longer confuse).


      / joke wassat /
      1. Lipchanin 12 January 2020 11: 16 New
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        When pouring "karosin", instead of the laid bucket with a capacity of 10 liters, "abnormal" was used - with a capacity of 12 liters

        What does it mean to be "unobtrusive"
        Did not have time request lol
        1. Fat
          Fat 12 January 2020 12: 25 New
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          Quote: Lipchanin
          Quote: Freeman
          When pouring "karosin", instead of the laid bucket with a capacity of 10 liters, "abnormal" was used - with a capacity of 12 liters

          What does it mean to be "unobtrusive"
          Did not have time request lol

          What is necessary to carry kerosene? And then the guys do not know, they are worried. Grandmother and past ... The accountant plagued the last hair. Send urgently goryuchki recipe otherwise the area will rise on the ears.
          And so ...
          1. sniperino 12 January 2020 12: 45 New
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            Quote: Thick
            Send urgently goryuchki recipe otherwise the area will rise on the ears.
            Usually herbal oxidizer
            1. Fat
              Fat 12 January 2020 13: 02 New
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              Quote: sniperino
              Quote: Thick
              Send urgently goryuchki recipe otherwise the area will rise on the ears.
              Usually herbal oxidizer

              In our region, even without kerosene .. It’s even better ... But according to observations, not everyone flies ... Can the oxidizing agent also be non-oxygenated?
              Private traders, in a bad word, save on an honest drunkard)))
              And as the sovereign was flooded, Duc Eh where did it go ...
          2. novel66 12 January 2020 12: 45 New
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            so long been known
          3. Lipchanin 12 January 2020 14: 53 New
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            Quote: Thick
            Send urgently goryuchki recipe otherwise the area will rise on the ears.

            This is for warrant officers.
            And they won’t say that, this great "ensign" secret request laughing
          4. Freeman 12 January 2020 15: 11 New
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            Tolstoy (Pestrikov Andrey Borisovich) Today, 12:25
            What is necessary to carry kerosene? And then the guys do not know, they are worried. Grandmas and past ...

            1. The "people's" council
            And it is better to dilute with MS-8P Oil (contains a minimum of additives, burns without the formation of a "fur coat" on atomizer nozzles), a proportion of 10 liters. kerosene - 0,5 / 1 liter of oil. (if you pour more, it won’t be any worse, you won’t spoil the porridge with oil;))) it’s shorter to the touch, kerosene is “dry” to the touch, when you rub it between your fingers, the feeling that the smallest sand is present than diesel fuel. Add oil, shake and feel. How to "mill" begins, then the norm. Oil is needed to lubricate the plunger. Dry kerosene plunger will plant (but not immediately;)). In the absence of winter diesel fuel, it is allowed to use a substitute for them, namely, to add lighting kerosene, aviation, kerosene or fuel to the summer diesel fuel. At the same time, the recommended proportions of the addition of kerosene, depending on the temperature: Temp. -10-20 gr. frost 10-15% kerosene (per 100 years. DT - 10-15 liters of keros) Temp. -20-30 gr. frost 15-25% of kerosene Temp. -30-35 gr. frost 25-50% kerosene Below -35 gr. frost of 50-70% kerosene with the addition of turboactive oils for the lubricating effect (MS-8P or TurboNICOIL 321) in the extreme case of CM-4,5, containing 75% MS-8P and 25% MS-20. The viscosity of kerosene is lower than that of diesel fuel, which causes increased wear of the plunger pair of injection pump. (do not piss, people ride for years :))) Diz. ARCTIC fuel this is solarium + most kerosene + additives. ;)) If there is a free keros, it’s even more profitable to ride on it, you’ll take a fuel pump for a year (or maybe you won’t, people drive for years :)), if with oil), you will give 12-20 thousand for repairs. And calculate how much you spend on fuel per year (about 100 rubles min.) :)) Kerosene and cleaner solariums. And (IM) you can pour a cap from shampoos (gr. 000-30) in a warm garage just in case along with fuel. It neutralizes summer water. Once a month you can do it, more often it is not necessary. liquid I (IM) has corrosive properties, so you do not need to abuse it. It is good for her to clean from deposits, dirt, tar removal, etc. Good luck.


            2. Dilution with kerosene diesel fuel.
            / Peugeot Boxer user manual page /

            / https://ad-cd.net/97051bes-1920.jpg /

            found on the link:
            https://www.drive2.com/l/463341347844129160/

            Threat. Personally, I didn’t "bodyweight." For the consequences, I do not bear responsibility.
            1. Glory1974 12 January 2020 16: 06 New
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              Personally, I didn’t "bodyweight." For the consequences, I do not bear responsibility.

              They stood in the mountains in Chechnya, the frost reached -27 C, kerosene was added to the summer solarium, which was taken from helicopter pilots. Diesel power plants worked without problems.
      2. venik 12 January 2020 11: 28 New
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        Quote: Freeman
        When pouring "carosene", instead of the put bucket with a capacity of 10 liters, "abnormal" was used - with a capacity of 12 liters. But it is flooded strictly according to the regulations - 5 buckets.

        ========
        In-in! It’s just that his core was "the wrong system" !!! lol
      3. Captain45 12 January 2020 12: 39 New
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        Quote: Freeman
        According to the news agency "OBS" ("One Grandmother Said"), the "tanker soldier" is to blame for everything.

        You tell a joke, but in the 80s, a friend of mine served as the OTR Luna-M crew, told me that he saw at the exercises in KapYar how the Arabs filled the tank a couple of times to the eyeballs (there on TTX some% of the tank was put under inert gas) and the rocket flew outside the range. Once a flock of sheep was beaten. They said, according to a friend, that range is important to them, what would it mean to get to Israel from afar, accuracy is not very important, the main thing is range. For what I bought, for that I sell.
    2. novel66 12 January 2020 12: 43 New
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      Kohl, hi! hi may, Kazakhs have shorter kilometers
  • Mountain shooter 12 January 2020 11: 04 New
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    The Iskander flew along a "non-ballistic" trajectory. So, it should have a power reserve ... The guidance system failed, and it was "carried away" along the optimal trajectory.
  • Private-K 12 January 2020 11: 25 New
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    + Earth rotation added ... lol
    1. Genry 12 January 2020 11: 32 New
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      Quote: Private-K
      + Earth rotation added ...

      And the wind is fair .....
      1. Piramidon 12 January 2020 11: 49 New
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        Quote: Genry
        Quote: Private-K
        + Earth rotation added ...

        And the wind is fair .....

        Everything can be. In the Kazakhstan steppes, the winds are very awesome. lol
      2. Fat
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        Quote: Genry
        Quote: Private-K
        + Earth rotation added ...

        And the wind is fair .....

        So we are her boots ... We ourselves rotate from the Kazan station to this day.
        1. Genry 12 January 2020 12: 32 New
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          So we are her boots ... We ourselves rotate from the Kazan station to this day.

          Nonsense!
          These polar bears rub against the earth's axis - here it accelerates and sways.
          1. antivirus 12 January 2020 13: 42 New
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            everyone laughs
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              Fat 13 January 2020 01: 52 New
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              Quote: antivirus
              everyone laughs

              So what? To cry? Well, yes, they wanted the best, but it turned out, as always.
    2. Baloo 12 January 2020 11: 50 New
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      + Earth rotation added ... lol

      Again, a fair wind ... yes
  • Fat
    Fat 12 January 2020 12: 06 New
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    Better up to 2-5 thousand. But this is another class. Alas...
  • Zaurbek 12 January 2020 13: 23 New
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    That the figure would look beautiful ... up to 1000km
  • antivirus 12 January 2020 13: 37 New
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    need - from Smloensk to the Rhine
    will be right
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      Fat 13 January 2020 02: 02 New
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      Well,
      Quote: antivirus
      need - from Smloensk to the Rhine
      will be right
      no way down. There de Wacht Am Rhein, the cultural heritage is sung .. We are not some trumps ..
  • rich 12 January 2020 13: 55 New
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    During the tests, the Iskander-M OTRK missile flew about 627 km

    Not an order. Maybe the pads are worn out, or is brake fluid spilled? laughing
  • Thrifty 12 January 2020 14: 04 New
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    Yes, now even if it flies a thousand kilometers, the United States has stolen the agreement, you can make missiles of any flight range!
  • Romka 12 January 2020 14: 29 New
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    It’s rather a mo-wag.
  • rocket757 12 January 2020 09: 51 New
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    Surely a certain margin of flight range is laid in the design of the rocket!
    Target designation, i.e. the target is selected on the site of guaranteed defeat, and this is certainly less.
    Although now it’s already on the drum, behind the hill it’s already screaming that the Russians are always to blame for everything!
    You can safely make rockets that fly faster, further, more precisely, "trickier" !!! Let them get what they stubbornly called for!
    1. bessmertniy 12 January 2020 10: 37 New
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      In the end: what they wanted, they got it. Let them tremble now! hi
      1. rocket757 12 January 2020 11: 04 New
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        Welcome soldier
        The situation may be divided into two.
        Geyropeytsy and so do not tear / do not run up. Mostly verbal husks ... small yapping does not count, there, under the wing of a vulture, they want to settle down from behind a vulture.
        But the very vulture because of the okane will do, the question is not defined.
        It can blow up, although at the very same time, as if the molt is on, with an uncertain result .... in short, we'll see.
    2. Fat
      Fat 12 January 2020 12: 46 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      Surely a certain margin of flight range is laid in the design of the rocket!
      Target designation, i.e. the target is selected on the site of guaranteed defeat, and this is certainly less.
      Although now it’s already on the drum, behind the hill it’s already screaming that the Russians are always to blame for everything!
      You can safely make rockets that fly faster, further, more precisely, "trickier" !!! Let them get what they stubbornly called for!
      put a plus! I shot exercise 1 from the PKK of the 50s on the enemy’s machine gun ... They all neighing: maybe they canopy it ... Take it ... Or better with a grenade ... There, are the grooves in the trunk preserved, aren't they?
      1. rocket757 12 January 2020 13: 23 New
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        PKK from the beginning of the 60s, previously there was a RPD.
        The limiting parameters are very approximate, it is difficult to focus on them. Replacing the barrel, for example, can change the characteristics of a weapon ....
        Rocket upgrade, is that a question? Who knows what they upgraded there, no one said.
  • tlauicol 12 January 2020 09: 58 New
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    range is good.
    150km past the target is bad.
    no injuries - good.
    Americans catch red handed - bad.
    We don't need an arms race. not master
    1. Tzar 12 January 2020 10: 04 New
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      What does it mean "caught red-handed"? The Americans are already testing the RSD with might and main, Russia too, it is time to intensify work in this direction, but without fanaticism.
      1. Snail N9 12 January 2020 10: 22 New
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        The Americans have already "caught" in the act, somewhere, something "leaked" earlier. As it was now confirmed, they were telling the truth about the increased missile flight range of over 500 km, and our military lied about 480 km ..
        1. Hermit21 12 January 2020 10: 29 New
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          According to the contract, a violation was only launching at a “forbidden” range. Any suspicions based on the appearance, comparisons, etc., had no legal force, which the Americans have been told more than once. Russia did not violate anything
          1. Fan-fan 12 January 2020 11: 46 New
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            The agreement contains words about a missile range of 500 km and above. And there are no words about the launch itself, so do not come up with these cheap excuses.
            1. Hermit21 13 January 2020 08: 01 New
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              Article 7, paragraph 4
        2. NKT
          NKT 12 January 2020 10: 30 New
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          The Americans were talking about another rocket.
          In this case, there is nothing to talk about, the Americans have long been caught lying.
          1. Fan-fan 12 January 2020 11: 47 New
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            And now, like ours, they caught a lie, because they said that the rocket does not fly beyond 480 km.
        3. Flooding 12 January 2020 11: 10 New
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          Quote: Snail N9
          our military lied about 480 km

          Test modernized rocket version.
          This means that its performance characteristics can not only, but also must be different from the original.
          1. rocket757 12 January 2020 11: 35 New
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            Quote: Flood
            Tests of the upgraded version of the rocket.
            This means that its performance characteristics not only can, but must also differ from the original

            The contract has already been covered, it is a fact.
            The equipment can now be upgraded without restrictions .... and all sorts of statements like "well, we said, and now it has been confirmed!" - this is proof for ... "poor".
            1. Vadmir 12 January 2020 16: 31 New
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              The technique can now be upgraded without restrictions
              There is one caveat - Putin promised not to deploy missiles falling under the INF Treaty in the European part of Russia, the first, and Trump said that he doesn’t have such plans either. And suddenly it turns out that Iskander M, which is full in the European part of Russia, flies on. No one will understand that it was an experimental rocket or a serial one. Poland will howl that they are threatened from Russia with a missile which they promised not to deploy.
              As a result, the Americans may declare that their deployment of medium- and shorter-range missiles has been resolved, and that they are doing this in response to Russia's actions. And Europe will approve it.
              As a result of a missile with a minimum flying time in Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland ...
              1. rocket757 12 January 2020 17: 13 New
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                Add to CUBA again.
                A difficult question, let's see how events will develop in the future.
                If the desire is AGREED, will be agreed. But no, then the world will take another step closer to the abyss.
        4. venik 12 January 2020 11: 34 New
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          Quote: Snail N9
          The Americans have already "caught" in the act, somewhere, something "leaked" earlier. As it was now confirmed, they were telling the truth about the increased missile flight range of over 500 km, and our military lied about 480 km ..

          ==========
          Have you read the article ATTENTIVELY? Or just a limited heading? WHAT is written there ?: ".....According to the latest information, it was tested MODERNIZED (!!) version of the Iskander-M operational-tactical missile complex missile. ... "MODERNIZED !!! Firststein?
          Sometimes it is better to remain silent than to publicize one’s bias and illiteracy !!!
          1. Vadmir 12 January 2020 16: 38 New
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            Iskander-M. ... "MODERNIZED
            The complex remains the same, and they stand along our borders. If you run from the stand, there would be no questions. Iskander M, they are in Kaliningrad and now Europe has given a reason to cry out that Putin does not keep his word (he promised not to place missiles falling under the INF Treaty near the EU, the first one).
            1. venik 12 January 2020 21: 31 New
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              Quote: Vadmir
              If you run from the stand, there would be no questions. Iskander M, they are in Kaliningrad and now Europe has given a reason to cry out that Putin does not keep his word (he promised not to place missiles falling under the INF Treaty near the EU, the first one).

              ========
              This is hardly! To test does not mean to "place"! Maybe the new rocket will not go into the "series" either! Something like this may be the answer. It’s called “information for thought” (for “sworn friends”), otherwise they have already started yelling with calls to the states to quickly place Tomogavki in Europe (Poland and the Baltic states are especially zealous). I generally have a suspicion that this "information leak" about an almost 1.5-fold increase in the firing range of the Iskander could have been specially organized - push-sh-shay are thoughtful!
        5. Tzar 12 January 2020 12: 10 New
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          As the commentators rightly noted above, the modernized rocket is currently being tested, and not the one to which the claims were made.
    2. Flooding 12 January 2020 11: 06 New
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      Quote: Tlauicol
      150km past the target is bad.

      Where did you get this?
  • Zhan 12 January 2020 10: 03 New
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    hi
    Good morning everyone.. smile
    Good result .. Our rocket launchers, as usual, with a reserve .. smile
    Somehow they chatted with one midshipman, so he said that the RCC MOSKIT 3M80, declared 120 km, well, if you shoot well, then it will fly 300 km .. smile And then somehow we don’t care, the mattresses came out of the contract.
    Although, if you have flown 127 km, there is reason to think, most likely there was some kind of freelance situevina ... smile
    1. Ross xnumx 12 January 2020 10: 20 New
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      Quote: Zhan
      Somehow they chatted with one midshipman, so he said that RCC MOSKIT 3M80, declared 120 km, well, if you shoot well, then it will fly 300 km .. And then somehow we don’t care, the mattresses came out of the contract.

      good The enemy is located 200 km from the Russian MRK or destroyer, lulled by Wikipedia and intelligence data (however, this is the same thing), is drinking morning coffee and making rainbow plans, and then an “unexpected person” with a previously declared range of 120 km arrives ... lol
      1. Demon_is_ada 13 January 2020 01: 02 New
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        This is not our malice, as many people think, and not the deception of the enemy, this is reality. Our performance characteristics and zapadensky are different things, zapadensky are the range in greenhouse conditions, ours with the possible maximum headwind and other non-attendant factors. The West is promises and advertising ...
    2. venik 12 January 2020 11: 37 New
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      Quote: Zhan
      Although, if you have flown 127 km, there is reason to think, most likely there was some kind of freelance situevina ...

      ========
      Or an error in the calculations (this also happens sometimes)? Especially since the rocket was MODERNIZED! drinks
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        D16 12 January 2020 15: 42 New
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        Moreover, the rocket was MODERNIZED!

        Most likely, its modernization consisted in changing the firmware and flying along the optimal ballistic trajectory.
  • Hermit21 12 January 2020 10: 09 New
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    Thick hint
  • cosmospetrovich 12 January 2020 10: 12 New
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    Probably just testing the hull and engines. Most likely there was a missile without loading the warhead.
    1. Snail N9 12 January 2020 11: 34 New
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      In fact, missiles are tested with a mass-dimensional model of the warhead so as not to disturb the alignment of the missile and its ballistic performance.
    2. venik 12 January 2020 11: 39 New
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      Quote: cosmospetrovich
      Probably just testing the hull and engines. Most likely there was a missile without loading the warhead.

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      Well, the fact that warhead was not there is "as clear as day." Moreover, the rocket didn't explode! But the mass-dimensional layout of the warhead should have been mandatory!
    3. Range 12 January 2020 11: 42 New
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      Most likely they tested the range without warhead with ballast.
  • yuliatreb 12 January 2020 10: 16 New
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    According to the latest information, a modernized version of the Iskander-M missile system was tested. At the same time, the tests ended abnormally.

    This is how to understand the tests did not regularly complete with intent already, or we are not talking properly, but we mean normally.
    1. bouncyhunter 12 January 2020 10: 58 New
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      And so to understand: someone smart said (in relation to diplomats) that the language was given in order to hide the true meaning. wink
    2. Old Michael 12 January 2020 13: 00 New
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      the tests were not completed regularly with intent already, or we are not talking properly, but we mean normally.

      What an intention! The missile flew 150 km beyond the range. And this is fraught with a lot of trouble, up to the death of people and an international incident - the territory of Kazakhstan.
      A product in full combat gear for such a case has a liquidation / self-liquidation system. And here instead of the head - a piece of concrete. Maybe there is some self-liquidator, but it didn’t work. No wonder it was said: the launch was abnormal.
      1. yuliatreb 12 January 2020 13: 52 New
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        Then, so that this would not happen, the path of the disc's flight is known, so that the population could be safe a bit, I hope it’s clear how, so the emergency situation was controlled and there weren’t any settlements in the area where the disc fell.
        1. Old Michael 12 January 2020 22: 59 New
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          to protect the population, we could have a bit of safety

          The steppe is endless, there are no settlements. But if the territories of the landfills at least have a certain regime and control, then beyond them - alas ... Hunters, fishers, shepherds. Plus collectors of non-ferrous and ferrous metal on trucks, climbing deep into the landfill. And also lovers roam around the landfills under the guise of ecologists, geologists, astrologers, gynecologists and veterinarians, for some reason appearing exactly during the test period.
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      Abnormally, this is when outside the polygon laughing .
      1. Freeman 12 January 2020 16: 50 New
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        Quote: D16
        Abnormally, this is when outside the polygon laughing .


        “Out of the ordinary”, this is when outside the “States”. So far ... but if sho .... wink lol
  • bessmertniy 12 January 2020 10: 34 New
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    The contract is over and our missiles flew on! wink
  • Izotovp 12 January 2020 10: 38 New
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    So it is modernized. So the technician twisted some bolt to show the result of the modernization, and one more, without knowing about the first one, he also twisted it. So they went too far.
    Now ours will report that it flew 480 km, they simply made a mistake with the launch site.
  • alstr 12 January 2020 10: 47 New
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    I do not understand the contradiction between the previous statements and today's EMERGENCY start.

    If control modes are violated, ANY missile can fly further than the declared range, because Declares the range of the target with a stated probability.

    We at the department were told about testing missiles for the S-300. So there the rocket flew 300 km instead of 100.
    1. Blackmokona 12 January 2020 11: 43 New
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      It cannot fly farther than the declared range, the declared range is achieved under the maximum ideal conditions.
      Well, you confuse the air defense missile and the earth land, since one has a declared range at high altitude, and the other on Earth
  • voyaka uh 12 January 2020 10: 59 New
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    It is not indicated in the article which rocket: winged or ballistic?
    It is very confusing that two completely different types of missiles are launched from the same carrier. And both are called "Iskander."
    1. bouncyhunter 12 January 2020 11: 05 New
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      Quote: voyaka uh
      two completely different types of missiles are launched from the same carrier.

      And the fact that American THAAD can also do this doesn’t scare ???
      1. voyaka uh 12 January 2020 11: 08 New
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        THAAD is a specialized missile defense system. She has neither cruise missiles, nor ballistic ones.
        1. bouncyhunter 12 January 2020 11: 11 New
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          Quote: voyaka uh
          THAAD - specialized missile defense system

          Yeah, very highly specialized. And the “Tomahawks” are not startable from it ... wink
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      winged or ballistic?

      In the photo of the wreckage, the tail of a ballistic missile is visible.
  • prior 12 January 2020 11: 11 New
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    "From the message of the press service of the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan:"

    It is immediately clear that the Republic of Kazakhstan is a "very friendly" Russian state.
    They immediately posted about exceeding the flight range, but they modestly kept silent about the lack of a warhead ...
    1. Kasym 12 January 2020 18: 08 New
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      In Kazakhstan, there are 6 objects of the Russian Ministry of Defense, if you do not know - which republic of the CIS has more ?! One Sary-Shagan test site is worth what - it is there that all new missiles are being tested.
      What good if the locals in the social. networks would begin to upload photos of this rocket?
      Let the West know that work to increase the range of Iskander missiles is proceeding successfully. I suppose that now the generals and leaders of the NATO states determine the new capabilities of the Russian land-to-land complex with a compass - they have something to think about. hi
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      Zadolbali pollute our land ...
      Landfill country ...
      At home, shoot around Siberia.
  • Evil Booth 12 January 2020 11: 14 New
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    Well, firstly, it could fly without warheads should have been)) secondly, no matter how old, but anti-ship missiles and missiles allowances for ballistics fly 3 of their passport ranges, that is, from 200 to 300 km it normally reaches up to 900 while maintaining control and the ability to adjust for the target. the iskander flies high and fast so that when optimizing it, it’s very far possible while the power steering and rudders are independent of the starting fuel. with the KR such a number will not work but you can also pull the range. analogously tu22 can hang 4 or maybe 6 hours but at a different height and speed. so everything is normal. Shl tank cannon can also hit at an angle and the projectile will fly not 12 but under 20 km with an expansion of / - a kilometer when falling and it’s possible to beat mountains higher down the plain without rain in a discharged atmosphere.
  • Dmitry Potapov 12 January 2020 11: 17 New
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    The USA came out, Iskander came out too! Not far yet.
  • bars1 12 January 2020 11: 34 New
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    It is bad that the test sites of the Russian Federation are in another state.
    1. garri-lin 12 January 2020 15: 57 New
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      And how to arrange competent leaks of "information" from landfills located on its territory? It’s hard.
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      Very bad!!!!!
  • Prisoner 12 January 2020 11: 35 New
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    In response to the withdrawal of amers from the agreement and on the occasion of the new year, the rocket took on additional obligations. winked
  • Operator 12 January 2020 11: 53 New
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    If instead of the standard 480-kg high-explosive fragmentation warhead 100-kg special warheads with a capacity of 100 Kt are installed and a second stage weighing 380 kg is formed (as in the Soviet Volga OTRK), the modernized Iskandera-M rocket will fly off for 1000 km, however bully
  • Al Asad 12 January 2020 12: 07 New
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    Information for thought
  • lopvlad 12 January 2020 12: 59 New
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    Earlier in the US, Russia was accused of "violating the INF Treaty" in relation to the development of the 9M729 missile. In the US, they said that the missile range exceeds 500 km. In Russia, they denied the allegations, saying that the 9M729 range is not more than 480 km.


    Well, the United States hung up that they did not have the production of intermediate and longer-range missiles, and two weeks after the treaty ceased to be valid, they tested the finished missile.
    The INF Treaty is no longer there and therefore that Russia that the United States can legally launch, develop, and test missiles at short to medium range.
    Moreover, Putin, more than a month ago, gave the go-ahead for the development and testing of ground-based complexes whose range exceeds 500 km. And before, we all complied and missiles did not fly for 500 km.
    Iskander acts as a ground launcher for testing new missiles. And in order for Russia to at least indirectly be blamed for something, it is necessary to provide evidence that it was precisely the 9M729 that was produced while the contract was in effect, covered the very 627 km.
  • kartalovkolya 12 January 2020 13: 04 New
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    That's right, all the best for children (the USA and NATO), and somehow it turns out unfairly: the Tomahawks are for the Arab children, and who then takes care of them!
  • Zomanus 12 January 2020 13: 46 New
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    Yes, maybe earlier they took less fuel,
    to keep within the limits. And now "under the cover" tucked.
    And again, what kind of load was there as a simulator of warhead?
    As far as I remember, the special warhead weighs quite a bit ...
  • Old26 12 January 2020 14: 19 New
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    Quote: mark1
    Maybe flying in a straight line did not wag. maybe the wind was fair ... In any case, if you refuse the INF Treaty, it would not be bad to bring the range to 800-900 kM.

    And why bring what has already been brought? laughing After all, Iskander’s flight range of 500 km exclusively along a “quasi-ballistic trajectory”? And to recall how the classical trajectory differs from the quasi-ballistic?
    One is much greater apogee
    In-2 (most importantly) almost doubled or tripled long range laughing

    Quote: Alexanast
    We can old, we can 9M729, but we can still what ..

    Missile 9M729 can not be from the word at all. 9M729 - a cruise missile, and in the photo are ballistic fragments

    Quote: Alexanast
    Well, as Valery Kashin said:

    We continue further development work
    to create new missiles for the Iskander-M complex.
    It is constantly evolving. A few more types of missiles have been created, outwardly they do not differ, but inside - fundamentally. Now, to put it mildly, he has seven types of missiles, and maybe more
    So yes, there is something to think about ..

    Valery Kashin, frankly, was misleading, taking advantage of the fact that the bulk of those who listened to him were very far from the topic. The Iskander complex never had SEVEN TYPES rockets. It was and is SEVEN OPTIONS rockets. Now, maybe more.
    Everything rests on the designation of this product. And it differs from the designation of other missiles. If, for example, strategists have one designation without indicating combat equipment, operational tactical ones have a slightly different idea.

    Example. The R-36M intercontinental ballistic missile (15A14, SS-18 mod.1 / 2/3) had THREE OPTIONS military equipment - with a heavy, light monoblock and multiple warheads, and according to our open classification, it is impossible to determine with what military equipment this or that ICBM.
    Missiles designed in KBM are somewhat different. There, the "missile part" itself has its own index. In particular, the Iskander ballistic missile index has an index 9М723 (old version of the Iskander complex) and 9M723-1 (new version of the Iskander-M complex).
    Warheads have their own indices.
    • cassette warhead with 54 warheads has an index 9N722K5
    • cassette warhead with 45 warheads has an index 9N722K1

    But the missiles will accordingly have an index of 9M723K5 and 9M723K1 with a warhead cassette and 9M723-1F with a high explosive fragmentation.
    Given the fact that Iskander-M is equipped with a high-explosive, high-explosive, penetrating, volume-detonating, nuclear and two types of cluster warheads, it just turns out SEVEN OPTIONS, but not SEVEN TYPES rockets. The type of rocket remains one - 9М723. It cannot be ruled out that the cruise missile of this complex - 9M728 can be equipped with various warheads. Then seven variants of ballistic missiles plus at least one variant on a cruise missile - already at the complex EIGHT rocket options

    Quote: hydrox
    Now the modernization is easily done: it cuts into the engine tube half a meter - and to the training ground, getting 627 km.

    And at the same time the missile with the "insert" does not fit into the launcher. Good upgrade however

    Quote: Fan-Fan
    If this is a real range, then it turns out that the states correctly accused us of violating the contract.

    It is likely that on this rocket (which we are talking about) the software has been changed and the control system has been modernized, which allows it to fly first on a classic ballistic trajectory, and second on. it is possible that the engine was upgraded (channels added or something else ...)

    Quote: Captain45
    You tell a joke, but in the 80s, a friend of mine served as the OTR Luna-M crew, told me that he saw at the exercises in KapYar how the Arabs filled the tank a couple of times to the eyeballs (there on TTX some% of the tank was put under inert gas) and the rocket flew outside the range. Once a flock of sheep was beaten. They said, according to a friend, that range is important to them, what would it mean to get to Israel from afar, accuracy is not very important, the main thing is range. For what I bought, for that I sell.

    It is clear that for what you bought, for that you are selling. True, Luna-m has always been solid fuel. But it is, for a laugh. Let your friend tell you the same stories laughing

    Quote: Tzar
    What does it mean "caught red-handed"? The Americans are already testing the RSD with might and main, Russia too, it is time to intensify work in this direction, but without fanaticism.

    Well, they have not experienced RSD yet. Only now they are engaged in the creation of these. And they really started the old “ax” from the starting device made on the knee from the semi-trailer.
    Although now - everything is a damn thing. There is no contract and no restrictions.

    Quote: voyaka uh
    It is not indicated in the article which rocket: winged or ballistic?
    It is very confusing that two completely different types of missiles are launched from the same carrier. And both are called "Iskander."

    Judging by the diameter of the debris - ballistic ...

    Quote: bouncyhunter
    Quote: voyaka uh
    THAAD - specialized missile defense system

    Yeah, very highly specialized. And the “Tomahawks” are not startable from it ... wink

    Pasha! Do not smack bullshit. If you can push a rocket with a length of 6170 and a diameter of 370 mm (Tomahawk with a starter) into a launcher with a length of 6250 mm and a diameter of 531 mm (Tomahawk), then you need to put a gold monument 20 meters high on a column of 50 meters high and issue Nobel Prizes for 100 years ...

    Quote: Evil Booth
    Well, firstly, it could fly without warheads should have been)) secondly, no matter how old, but anti-ship missiles and missiles allowances for ballistics fly 3 of their passport ranges, that is, from 200 to 300 km it normally reaches up to 900 with preservation of control and the ability to adjust for the target

    Do not carry a snowstorm. The maximum that the S-200 flew with the abnormal version was EMNIP 394 km. After the Ukrainian missile shot down over the Black Sea Tu only lazy did not write about it. And about 394 they just said in the context that no one ever thought that she would fly away at such a distance.
    So there is no need to talk about 900 km. The maximum at which she flew away is fixed ...
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      Well, they have not experienced RSD yet.

      Launched a former target rocket, with what from the launch pad a la Fau-2. But this is never a medium-range complex. Rather, a bunch for domestic consumption. smile Like, we are not with a bare ass withdrew from the contract lol .
    2. lopvlad 13 January 2020 02: 40 New
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      Quote: Old26
      Well, they have not experienced RSD yet. Only now they are engaged in the creation of these. And the old "ax"


      "ax" cruise missile and the United States tested a medium-range ballistic missile. So it’s unnecessary

      Quote: Old26
      And to recall how the classical trajectory differs from the quasi-ballistic?


      "garbage war and most importantly maneuvers," namely, the ability to maneuver in flight. To increase the range of a rocket by refusing to fly along a quasi-ballistic trajectory means to make it useless.
    3. Captain45 13 January 2020 12: 59 New
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      Quote: Old26
      It is clear that for what you bought, for that you are selling. True, Luna-m has always been solid fuel. But it is, for a laugh. Let your friend tell you the same stories

      But did I say in my comment that the Arabs ran the Luna-M? No, I said that a friend served at the Luna-M complex and was at an exercise where he saw Arabs refuel a rocket, but the type of rocket was not indicated, because a friend didn’t talk about it. So which of us got into something incomprehensible ? I can retell the tales, but you for such information:
      Quote: Old26
      Warheads have their own indices.
      • cassette warhead with 54 warheads has an index 9N722K5
      • cassette warhead with 45 warheads has an index 9N722K1

      But the missiles will accordingly have an index of 9M723K5 and 9M723K1 with a warhead cassette and 9M723-1F with a high explosive fragmentation.

      about eleven years ago, a “uncle shut up, shut up” would have long ago called to himself and asked, “Do you have someone else’s intention to sell your homeland?” lol
  • Old26 12 January 2020 14: 29 New
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    Quote: Zomanus
    Yes, maybe earlier they took less fuel,
    to keep within the limits. And now "under the cover" tucked.
    And again, what kind of load was there as a simulator of warhead?
    As far as I remember, the special warhead weighs quite a bit ...

    Refueling a rocket with a solid fuel engine is powerful. The missile range, in principle, is considered with a standard warhead. With a special unit it can fly away further, but it is used mainly not with a nuclear one, but with ordinary ones.
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      In addition, solid rockets. But the energy industry, alas, cannot be the same from party to party (it is considered no less than). In his youth, he counted 45 products for energy - the difference turned out to be 1500 km to the maximum range. But all the products provided the range specified by TTX!
  • Sarduor 12 January 2020 15: 08 New
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    They burned, could they load less fuel or something ....
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      The TT rocket? wassat
  • Vaddik 12 January 2020 16: 49 New
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    Judging by the image with the measured flight distance, a missile flying and 500 km would still fall in Kazakhstan.
  • Old26 12 January 2020 16: 53 New
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    Quote: Vaddik
    Judging by the image with the measured flight distance, a missile flying and 500 km would still fall in Kazakhstan.

    Yes, but within the range
  • Old26 12 January 2020 17: 13 New
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    Quote: Vadmir
    The technique can now be upgraded without restrictions
    There is one caveat - Putin promised not to deploy missiles falling under the INF Treaty in the European part of Russia, the first, and Trump said that he doesn’t have such plans either.

    Well, Putin talked about the complexes that we create. And this is "a hundred years old at lunchtime" laughing

    Quote: Vadmir
    No one will understand that it was an experimental rocket or a serial one. Poland will howl that they are threatened from Russia with a missile which they promised not to deploy.

    This is not an experimental and not newly created rocket. Now, if we create an Iskander-M2 or some other with a range of more than 500 km, then another thing. And we placed it even before we promised "not to place new ones." Do not post. Already placed everything. Re-equipment from Point to Iskander completed last year

    Quote: Vadmir
    As a result, the Americans may declare that their deployment of medium- and shorter-range missiles has been resolved, and that they are doing this in response to Russia's actions. And Europe will approve it.
    As a result of a missile with a minimum flying time in Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland ...

    Well, they will do it even if we clean our Iskander complexes all over the Urals. They say that the Baltic countries fear the expansion of Russia and only missiles can stop the Russians. And besides, they can make it even easier. Transfer these missiles to the army of these countries. You can even with the calculations. They will give Sergeant Smith a Baltic passport, where he will be listed as Smithchavius ​​and all business
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    1. She flew about 650-670 only from the border (the border of the zone is 630 km, and she fell behind her). And not from KapYar, from where it took off.
    2. As for contingency - was it that flew MORE than announced in advance?)))
    3. Not sure about the modifiability of the rocket at least an iota, other than software. The dimensions, weight, and characteristics of the fuel of the 723rd quasi-ballistic missile allow it to fly easily for 1000 km or more (with a conventional or special warhead of normal power). Even, probably, there will be no need to refuse maneuver. We look at the Dagger, which is not much different and flies much further (well, there the plane still gives it an increment of speed, and the launch is not from the ground, it must be taken into account). It is possible for 2000 too - but abandoning the “counter-PRO" capabilities in maneuver, etc.
    4. Most likely. in the near future a two-stage version may appear, it begs, and there is a new launcher for it, and they are introduced with another battery into all brigades (the one under 729 KR). You can also fasten the deformed Zircon there, since at sea they take off with one launcher, and here it also works.

    The INF Treaty is gone, the Americans themselves have already become embarrassed with their "BRDS-BRMD" from the CASTOR-4B antique accelerator with launch from the launch pad - we can now officially test anything without masking it. Convenient, damn it! Thanks to comrade Trumpov!
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    The next contingency test is planned for 850 km. And after the States left the INF Treaty, apart from admiration, other emotions are meaningless.
  • Pandiurin 13 January 2020 00: 44 New
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    Quote: PN
    Or maybe this is her real flight range?

    Such a rocket has a maximum range of conceptually.
    If the TTX is 480 km with active maneuvering (and this is unnecessary acceleration, a longer path compared to the distance in a straight line), then it is obvious that if you turn off maneuvering along the fuel supply, this same rocket can fly much more.
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      There, 1000 with active maneuvering can be easily mastered, instead of 500. True, with the NBC or the usual, but slightly less weight. And that is not the fact that much less. It’s more difficult to say for a number of reasons. And you can do more.
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    An abnormal start-up is not related to the performance characteristics.
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    The INF Treaty has a wonderful formulation about the "tested range" ... ours honestly did not experience more than 480 km.
    Well, we’ve tested .... :) ... maybe it can fly away further .... for this, I probably didn’t have to finish anything. Everything is pretty obvious and it’s not clear why such oviotage
  • Old26 13 January 2020 12: 06 New
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    Quote: lopvlad
    "ax" cruise missile and the United States tested a medium-range ballistic missile. So it’s unnecessary

    Carefully read the contract, its articles, although it does not work, and remember what kind of missile was launched
    the Americans. It was a ballistic target missile. And according to the agreement, the creation of such missiles was not prohibited. That is, the Americans created their target missiles (and there are about 6-8 of them) according to the articles of the treaty. The fact that we collapsed and did not create similar target missiles on the basis of the Oka and Pioneer complexes removed from service is not the fault of the Americans, but our misfortune.
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    Quote: Captain45
    Quote: Old26
    It is clear that for what you bought, for that you are selling. True, Luna-m has always been solid fuel. But it is, for a laugh. Let your friend tell you the same stories

    But did I say in my comment that the Arabs ran the Luna-M? No, I said that a friend served at the Luna-M complex and was at an exercise where he saw Arabs refuel a rocket, but the type of rocket was not indicated because the friend did not talk about it.

    I apologize, Yuri. Most likely I just read it quickly, and from the post I realized that it was about Luna-M

    Quote: Captain45
    I can retell stories, but here you are for such information:
    Quote: Old26
    Warheads have their own indices.
    • cassette warhead with 54 warheads has an index 9N722K5
    • cassette warhead with 45 warheads has an index 9N722K1

    But the missiles will accordingly have an index of 9M723K5 and 9M723K1 with a warhead cassette and 9M723-1F with a high explosive fragmentation.

    about eleven years ago, a “uncle shut up, shut up” would have long ago called to himself and asked, “Do you have someone else’s intention to sell your homeland?” lol

    Well, about 20 years ago, but rather about 30 years ago, I might not have said that. By the way, one more, the most interesting thing in all of these indices. There have always been "open" indexes and "secret" ones. But with our total secrecy in the USSR, everything was turned upside down. And the secret indices of rocket technology, such as R-36M UTTH, or R-36M2 "Voivoda" suddenly became "unclassified", "Open" indices, but open, design indices that tens of contractors worked with and which were suddenly used in all design documents become "secret." Just indexes, such as 9N722K5 or 9M723K5, were "Unclassified", but the designation of this missile type R-900 or something similar was secret. They were "gray", as far as I remember, the names of research and development.
    Alas, I know this kitchen too well, because the structure in which I worked in the design bureau belonged (was assigned) to the "regime".
    Now, all these indexes can be found in books and in journal publications, and of course on the web
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    Well, here is the excuse for the Americans; we TALED that Russian missiles fly on. than 500km ?! Whatever it was, THE MATTER IS DONE! No one owes nothing to nobody.