The consequences of the Iranian “mistake”. Downed Boeing: from protests in Iran to Turchinov’s “diagnosis”

The Boeing 737-800 of Ukraine’s International Airlines, flying to Kiev, was hit by a rocket shortly after departure from Tehran Airport. One hundred seventy-six people were killed, including nine crew members and one hundred and sixty-seven passengers from different countries: Ukraine, Canada, Germany, Sweden, Afghanistan and Iran.

After the Iranian authorities recognized the “error” of the air defense and made a public statement about the downed Ukrainian plane, unofficial mourning processions took place in the cities of Iran. The exit of people on the streets should be recognized as spontaneous. The procession quickly grew into real protests against the current government. In Tehran, several hundred activists even demanded the "resignation" of Ayatollah Khamenei. “Go away!” Was what the demonstrators suggested to him. Also, the protesters proposed to bring this figure to justice.

The echo of Iranian popular indignation has reached the United States. President D. Trump has supported the protests on Twitter. Trump told the "suffering people of Iran" that he supports him, the entire American government also supports it and "will continue to support it." The courage of the Iranians who took to the streets, he called "inspiring."

English site "Voices of America" quoted by US Special Representative for Iran, Brian Hook. He told the Voice correspondent that "we [the United States] support the brave Iranian people one hundred percent." Hook also noted:

“Protesters stigmatize the shameful actions of the IRGC and tear down the Suleimani posters displayed by the regime. It is said that Suleimani was a murderer, like Khamenei. The protesters are right! ”

Voice of America also cites the words of President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky. The President advocated a full and open investigation and prosecution of the perpetrators of the disaster.

As for the unofficial Ukraine, that traditionally blamed Russia. Blamed not from the rostrum due to the lack thereof, but at the level of social networks.

Former NSDC secretary A. Turchinov made a “diagnosis” on Facebook: they say that not only the Iranian leadership should answer for the downing of the Boeing, but also the Russian leadership: after all, this is the second Boeing passenger destroyed recently by a Russian missile According to Turchinov, who cite Ukrainian media,

"Just as in the case of the Malaysian plane, the Russian leadership in its official statements tried not only to support Iran as its strategic partner, but also to misinform the world community, inventing false versions of this terrible tragedy."

According to Turchinov, Ukraine should now demand an extraordinary meeting of the Security Council at the UN, to ensure an investigation of the crash of the liner and to hold the leadership of both Russia and Iran accountable.

As if to tone Turchinov made the Russian opposition politician A. Navalny. He also spoke out on the Internet - like Trump, in "Twitter". His statement looks like this:

Objected Turchinov and others like him Alexei Pushkov. Also in "Twitter". Pushkov, as we see, made Turchinov a “diagnosis”.

At the end of the review, a few words about the political decisions of Canada. Government position was expressed by Canadian Prime Minister Trudeau, who had previously spoken out about the downed plane. He did not write in social networks, but made a statement to the press.

The Prime Minister of Canada said that the main task of the authorities now is to obtain from Tehran an impartial investigation into the crash of the plane, which flew sixty-three Canadian citizens. The Prime Minister personally spoke with several relatives of the victims and concluded that they wanted justice. The Canadian government will not calm down until it receives a report and judicial completion of the case.

Comments

[Thrifty]

So exactly such a development of events was to be expected! Everyone has attacked the Iranians now, the information war in the region is gaining momentum. And the words of Trupchinov will be remembered in order to introduce new sanctions against our military-industrial complex! It’s a pity that our experts were not invited to identify the wreckage of the rocket, otherwise the truth will come up over the years that the American drone fired the rocket, and the Iranians, in exchange for not accepting real sanctions against them, took all the blame!

[Spartanez300]

Iran really didn’t need it in the current situation, and indeed no one needed it, now Trump’s extra trump card in the confrontation with Iran. And as for the maniac Turchinov with his delusions, as always, I don’t understand why he is still not in the nuthouse with his brothers in mind.

[lwxx]

There is a lot of strange in the recognition of Iran, as in the downing of the plane itself. There are many inconsistencies. And the "partners" 'ears are starting to stick out more and more.

[bobwings]

And what kind of inconsistencies?

[lwxx]

judging by the images published on the Web, the head part of the 9M330 missile system Tor, “lay almost under the plane in an exceptionally good, perfectly painted state, one of the first to report a version of a strike on a plane with a missile in Canada, which has no space intelligence . Only the USA and Russia have it, and all the others have purchased information. Only we and the Americans can confirm that some actions were carried out. But we are silent! The ex-head of the anti-aircraft missile forces of the Special Forces Command of the Russian Air Force does not exclude that in fact, in the flight zone of the Ukrainian airliner there could be an American reconnaissance drones that was sent to Iran after Tehran’s strike at US bases in Iraq. etc

[Zeev Zeev]

The area in which the civilian airliner was shot down is located a few kilometers from the capital of Iran. That is, you want to say that the UAV crossed the border, passed over the territory of the country several hundred kilometers and returned without any problems without being shot down by numerous Iranian air defense systems armed with the latest Russian, Iranian and Chinese-made equipment? That is, all these complexes are so bad that they do not see the enemy plane?

[svp67]

Quote: lwxx

The ex-chief of the anti-aircraft missile forces of the Special Forces Command of the Russian Air Force does not exclude that, in fact, in the flight zone of the Ukrainian airliner there could be an American reconnaissance drone, which was sent to Iran after Tehran’s attack on US bases in Iraq. etc

And the impact on air defense systems with electronic warfare systems, the Iranians say that at the time of the attack there was a malfunction in the control systems, is it not strange?

[major147]

Quote: svp67

And the impact on air defense systems with electronic warfare systems, the Iranians say that at the time of the attack there was a malfunction in the control systems, is it not strange?

And the ukrosamoleta had a transponder working, and a foreign drone could well have detected the air defense, which could well have hidden behind the Boeing. And the time of day was chosen - "dog watch".

[major147]

Quote: lwxx

in the flight zone of the Ukrainian airliner there could be an American reconnaissance drone,

And then the Israeli methodology tested in Syria comes into effect.

[16329]

Everything is much simpler, the IRGC is full of Western agents, now there are arrests related to the assassination of Suleymani and the attempted murder of a senior IRGC special forces officer in Yemen, about 50 people are said to have been arrested.
Therefore, the data there is simply transmitted through normal channels.
And there is no need for a drone, just the usual inconsistency between civilian and military authorities is enough, the military asked to close the area for flights, and the civilian authorities for some reason waited a bit and let the plane out to the combat duty area of ​​the air defense systems, and communications between the military and civilians at a crucial moment why it was not and so on
Iran is a completely open country, there is no super-rigid regime, everyone has a lot of relatives in Europe and the USA, Iranians are not fanatics with whom someone represents them.
There is an active opposition in the country supported by the West, by the way yesterday at the "mourning rally in memory of the dead passengers" which was held by the opposition with the participation, of course, youth, the UK ambassador was detained, then released
Therefore, the participation of foreign intelligence agencies in the organization of this incident is quite acceptable, only to prove it is practically impossible
So the asymmetric response to a bold Iranian strike on US bases was completely successful, although in general, the consequences of the Iranian strike on the US position in the region are unlikely to change significantly

[kepmor]

and what inconsistencies and oddities ??? ...
everything is obvious ... paranoid fear of a retaliatory strike by the Americans, simply paralyzed the brains of the Iranian pvoshniks ... and the country's leadership ...
to get a blimp from a Boeing, with a working transponder in the civilian corridor, and even at an altitude of 1,5 km with an ax that flies 50-150 meters, this must be managed very well ...
and the most important mistake of the Iranian leadership - since they decided to play "war", so introduce a ban on flights ... why substitute the innocent ...
and then according to S. Lavrov .......... will be the very thing ...

[anjey]

If you want to, you don’t want Iran, but you were hiding behind the scenes of passenger liners from a possible strike by the Yankees, they were afraid and covered themselves, and this was not a ban on flights.
And the version is that the Boeing transponder was turned off and Thor worked on it automatically, as if it does not work on an unidentified "alien" ???

[Cetron]

There is another version: some Ukrainian espionage equipment was installed on the Ukrainian plane, for example, for scanning air defense systems, and at the time of its inclusion, air defense officers took the aircraft for espionage, and therefore shot down. If this would come up, the scandal would not be comic (using a civilian vassal plane for espionage). Perhaps they agreed, for the buns, they will write off the mess and chance that their basurman is sorry, ukroholopov generally does not count.

[Chaldon48]

Iwxx, is it possible about oddities and inconsistencies in more detail?

[helmi8]

Quote: lwxx

And the "partners" ears are starting to stick out more and more.

It's not about the "partners' ears". Iran's guilt is in any case obvious - if you are going to use missiles, then close the area for flights. Even during training launches, such areas are closed. The rest is already a consequence ...

[knn54]

Reminds a multi-way combination.
An acquaintance (athletics coach) worked in Iran for several years. IN ALL the so-called "spontaneous" rallies, the "golden youth", slightly diluted with smoked or lumpen, participate.
We see an interesting picture, the guilty one is not the admitted air defense worker, but the ayatollah itself.
There is a swinging of the foundations of the state and a desire to obliterate the assassination of the General.
It seems that they succeeded.
Regarding Turchinov, this is not treated.

[bessmertniy]

Several hundred protesters are not an indicator for Iran. Most likely, relatives and friends of the deceased students came out mainly. More is a tribute to an anti-government speech.

[Simple]

Quote: knn54

There is a swinging of the foundations of the state and a desire to obliterate the assassination of the General.

In the Western media, information is presented just like that.

[Kronos]

Well, actually the leadership’s fault is because the system is so set up that a simple air defense worker was able to do this. I also understand the students living under religious pressure and constantly half the war and Israel is awful

[cradle]

if there was religious pressure, then the women would hide their faces behind the veil. And so Iran is a completely secular country. And what is terrible for Iran in its relations with Israel, is it not a mirror to Israel? nude nude ...

[Grits]

Quote: Spartanez300

I don’t understand why he is still not in the psychiatric hospital with his brothers in mind.

I would say - brothers for lack of reason.

[Amateur]

The exit of people on the streets should be recognized as spontaneous.

On Saturday, January 11, a group of students gathered at the Tehran Technological University named after Amir Kabir to protest at the recognition by the Iranian Armed Forces of responsibility for the fall of the Ukrainian Boeing 737. The British ambassador tried to lead the actions of the crowd while in a store located near the school. (Tape .RU)

That's what blocking social networks means. Uncle ambassador had to personally lead. But cookies, unlike aunty Vicki Nuland, did not take. So he burned.

[Snail N9]

I read that the Ukrainian plane, instead of continuing to take off in a straight line, suddenly turned almost 180 degrees and appeared suddenly from the approaching side of the IRGC base, and at a low altitude, which was perceived by the air defense system as the appearance of a cruise missile flying around the terrain or as an American drone, which there harm was hanging around at this time .. The question is why and who deployed the plane, sending it to the IRGC base?

[zlinn]

you should no longer read this source, there is a trajectory with a 24 fly radar and the plane did not change course before the defeat and did not decrease

[Basarev]

Eh. Even the miserable Iranians decided on large-scale protests. And the clogged Russians can only cowardly bay in Tyrnyt, being afraid to even give their last name.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Basarev

Eh. Even the miserable Iranians decided on large-scale protests. And the clogged Russians can only cowardly bay in Tyrnyt, afraid to even name.

somebody even more miserable and cowardly than the Iranians and Russians: even on the Internet no one did not name, as well as the occasion.

And what are you talking about?

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Basarev

Eh. Even the miserable Iranians decided on large-scale protests.

no one ever in the world made protests without organization, so calm down with the "miserable people"

[qQQQ]

Quote: Basarev

Even the miserable Iranians decided on large-scale protests. And the clogged Russians can only cowardly bay in Tyrnyt, being afraid to even give their last name.

We just have a brain and memory, I hope that we all remember the consequences of all the revolutions that were in our country, and we can also analyze what happens to the non-brothers. In general, there is nothing that would indicate the overthrow of power by force in a positive way.

[major147]

Quote: qqqq

we can analyze what happens with the non-brothers.

The main thing here is to learn from someone else's experience .... The non-brothers did not grow together with this. Their "bloody" Yanukovych signed a "renunciation of power", but the owners did not even want a peaceful transition of power, but ordered everyone to blame. In the end, they have what they have.

[for]

Quote: qqqq

We just have a brain and memory,

Something in 90 was not observed.

[qQQQ]

Quote: for

Something in 90 was not observed.

Until the 90s, we still had no experience of life under modern capitalism, we bought it from this, I hope that this number would not have passed now, although it’s too late to talk about it, to return nothing back. But remember this all the same.

[for]

Quote: qqqq

under modern capitalism,

This is not modern capitalism, but Russian. We still have not decided on the system, with each a little favorite for our beloved ones.

[qQQQ]

Quote: for

This is not modern capitalism, but Russian.

On the whole, I agree, only this is the process of the initial accumulation of capital, it is approximately the same for everyone, the West went through it much earlier.

[Simple]

Quote: Basarev

large-scale protests.

For scale in more detail please.

[Lelek]

Quote: Basarev

And the clogged Russians can only cowardly bay in Tyrnyt, being afraid to even give their last name.

There is a worthy place on planet Earth for those brave and determined like you. There you immediately - in "heroi" and - on the pedestal. Here you can safely not "cowardly booze", but - at the top of your voice, a false womb.

[Snigir]

Respect for honesty to Iranians

[cradle]

What surname do you need? Putin? He called ... so I voted FOR HIM and I WILL vote. Do you understand?

[Li17]

Quote: Basarev

Eh. Even the miserable Iranians decided on large-scale protests. And the clogged Russians can only cowardly bay in Tyrnyt, being afraid to even give their last name.

Well, against whom or what do we need to protest? And who will lead the protest? Something is modestly silent as the Americans shot down the passenger airliner, or the Ukrainians shot down the board over the sea and ... so far nothing to anyone!

[Zeev Zeev]

First, the Bloody Pastor accused Russia of the fact that Russia, which has nothing to do with the crash of the Ukrainian Boeing, nevertheless, at all levels, from ordinary netizens (which we could directly observe on VO) to the State Duma deputies, began to indiscriminately prove its innocence Iranian military. I will leave it to Pan Turchinov to think that this is the position of ALL RUSSIA. Secondly, this your Navalny absolutely correctly rode on these of your propagandists, who yesterday said "Iran did not shoot down anything", and today they are already saying "What fellows the Persians are who confessed." Third, the British ambassador did not manage the protests, he was detained for filming a mourning procession, which sounded anti-government slogans. Anyone who still thinks that a spontaneous protest can be controlled by one person is invited to the nearest construction site to command a brigade of complete strangers.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

First, the Bloody Pastor accused the Russian Federation of the fact that Russia, which has nothing to do with the crash of the Ukrainian Boeing, nevertheless at all levels from simple network users (which we could directly observe in the VO) before the State Duma deputies began prove indiscriminately Iranian military.

1. Lie: NO at Turchinov not a word about network users.
2. Bring, liar, these "proofs" of official Russia.

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Secondly, this your Navalny rode absolutely right on these your propagandists

This lord called himself an animal:

Navalny: "This is something similar to zoology-OBSERVE for

observant animal ...
OFFICIAL position of Russia was the need for a thorough objective investigation

[Zeev Zeev]

A zoologist is someone who watches animals, if someone is not in the know.
As for the official position of the country called Russia, I did not write anything, carefully re-read.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

A zoologist is someone who watches animals, if someone is not in the know

If anyone does not know: zoology is a science about representatives animals,
Bulk, respectively, an animal: no one else mentioned animals

Quote: Zeev Zeev

As for the official position of the country called Russia, I did not write anything, carefully re-read.

Reread YOURSELF yourself: you agreed with the pastor, and he wrote about official Russia

[Zeev Zeev]

The argument about what should not be continued

[asv363]

Quote: Olgovich

Navalny: "This is something similar to zoology-OBSERVE for

observant animal ...

Andrey, this animal hurts, it infects others. It is necessary to put him to sleep.

[major147]

Quote: asv363

It is necessary to put him to sleep.

And for a long time ....

[major147]

Quote: Olgovich

OFFICIAL position of Russia

I note that the official positions of other countries have changed according to the incoming information on the progress of the investigation.

[D16]

Anyone who still thinks that one person can control a spontaneous protest is invited to a nearby construction site to command a team of completely unfamiliar people.

And if in this team there is your assistant who knows the rest perfectly? Agree, the picture plays with completely different colors.

[Zeev Zeev]

Even a dozen assistants, too, will not be able to cope with the crowd.

[D16]

Even a dozen assistants, too, will not be able to cope with the crowd.

The crowd was not so big there. One of the ambassador’s tasks is to establish contacts with the local opposition. Assistants must have other assistants. Here https://aftershock.news/?q=node/822381 write that:
In Tehran, the British ambassador Rob McAir was detained (according to other sources - arrested) by the security forces, who took part in protests against the Iranian government at Amir Kabir University and sang anti-government chants in the crowd.
The ambassador claims that he just came to look at the protests and take pictures of them.
He was later released.

[Zeev Zeev]

But we understand that in reality the British ambassador did not participate in the protests themselves. Not by rank, and diplomats do not scorch so stupidly.

[D16]

Of course. Only take pictures and send a progress report .

[Zeev Zeev]

For such things, there is a third cultural attaché assistant. Or local.

[16329]

Yes, of course, and the ambassador simply wanted to commemorate the victims of the disaster, and then suddenly someone nearby shouted, “Down with the bloody regime,” and then suddenly the cops, the raid

[cradle]

and give out the cookies ... to the ball.

[cost]

Zeev Zeev (Zeev Zeev): But we understand that in reality the British ambassador did not participate in the protests themselves.

Honest noble. I swear by rating

[Zeev Zeev]

By the way, about the rating, if it is so important to someone. How many minuses did they wind up for what I said about the possible destruction of the Ukrainian Iranian air defense airliner?

[cost]

Not everyone likes, not your information, but how exactly do you submit it. For which you are minus. I remember your competent, unbiased comments two or three years ago. And with pleasure he listened to them. And now, as if someone had bitten you, or someone else wrote under your nickname. Sorry for IMHO

[major147]

Quote: Rich

Honest noble. I swear by rating

Gentlemen take the word ....

[kot28.ru]

It turned out that they were scorching. And not only in Ukraine or in Russia. As you say, around the world already!

[cradle]

but this is already ... a lie

[uporov65]

That is, it turns out that we are responsible for each PUK where Russian-made weapons were used. Vova, definitely this bald Turchila should answer for his bazaar.

[The leader of the Redskins]

A beautiful Iranian in the photo ... A couple of years ago I watched a documentary about Iran. Rather, about Iran before a radical Islamic coup. And quietly fucked up ... In the 60s, young and beautiful people could quietly kiss on the street, slender girls in a bikini sunbathing near the pools, funny programs went on color TV and so on. And how did you tighten the nuts later? Islamic dictatorship in one word.

[bober1982]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

In 60 years, young and beautiful people could easily kiss on the street, slender girls in a bikini sunbathe near the pools

Yes, you can agree with you. But, the overthrow of the monarchical regime was welcomed by millions of people, everyone was jubilant. The stake of the Iranian monarchs on friendship with the West did not justify itself, hence the discontent of people. By the way, the local intelligentsia played a large role in the fall of the Iranian monarchy, without these, as always, nowhere, they prepared fertile ground for the revolution.

[bessmertniy]

Give the girls only democracy - they’ll generally walk around the streets naked, they won’t give the men access. The dictatorship is strict, but fair. Looks like morality!

[Altona]

Quote: bessmertniy

The dictatorship is strict, but fair.

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Dictatorship of whom? Forbes billionaires who live outside Russia? However, too early you decided to enroll in slaves. Or are you talking about the dictatorship of the ayatollah? To all pray, pray and pray? In the modern world, this does not work. And by the way, this is faced by all the states that cultivate creative and technical intelligentsia. Creative labor requires more freedom. And the stupid dictatorship of the power bureaucracy itself provokes unrest in the cities. Another question is that the means of manipulation are becoming thinner and it is easier to keep an atomized society under control.

[dauria]

Creative work requires more freedom

Delusion. It is creative work that requires the most severe discipline, both personal and collective. Kuprin's "duel" was written from under the stick of his first wife, "three pages a day".
One of the best bombers of the Second World War was created by a team that was "behind the thorn" for three years.
Don't nod at America - there you will fly out of the gates for "freedom" that is destroying a common cause. Hard creative work and "freedom" are antagonisms by definition.

[Altona]

Quote: dauria

Delusion. It is creative work that requires the most severe discipline, both personal and collective. Kuprin's "duel" was written from under the stick of his first wife, "three pages a day".

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What kind of freedom do you mean? What am I doing as an engineer? That is why freedom is needed to broaden one's horizons, education and other things. To do this, one must travel, communicate with different people. Your opinion is strange about sticks and discipline. You probably need to flog at the stable on Saturdays and drive gauntlets through the line. And I personally deeply spit how Kuprin wrote something there. Maxim Gorky could not write anything without Italy, nevertheless, the great writer Mayakovsky wrote, producing lines, and also a great poet, both proletarian. And discipline is primarily a product of personal will and inner stamina, and not external coercion. You will learn at least some basics of psychology before making such broad generalizations with a single example. By the way, the ever-memorable General Suleymani became what he became primarily due to the opportunities that the revolution gave. But the consequences of any revolution tend to fade over time and disavow due to the despotism of the ruling bureaucracy, which degenerates over time.

[dauria]

Your opinion is strange about sticks and discipline. You probably need to flog at the stable on Saturdays and drive gauntlets through the line.

Don't talk nonsense. Cancel homework, exams and grades - get the "great" result of complete freedom. And about "traveling to different countries" - well, they have been traveling for 30 years. "Shvaboda" is nowhere further. Did you create many masterpieces of art and technology compared to the USSR? Any organized work limits freedom, not increases.
And you whine along an interesting "intelligentsia" line - "I am so clever oppressed, not appreciated and limited in freedom."
Any engineer remembers with respect the exacting
to the cruelty of the teacher, and not the "chairman of the women's council." An intelligent engineer, of course, and not the current "unrecognized genius"

[Altona]

Quote: dauria

Don't talk nonsense. Cancel homework, exams and grades - get the "great" result of complete freedom. And about "traveling to different countries" - well, they have been traveling for 30 years. "Shvaboda" is nowhere further.

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It’s you who are talking nonsense. If a person does not want to do homework, he does not do it or writes off. The question is again of internal discipline and a realized need, that is, understanding the need for this. As for traveling, under Stalin, scientists traveled and no one stopped it. And with your understanding of discipline, you will not achieve the desired result. If you want to hammer nails with a microscope, then who will forbid you? Please score. The art of teaching lies primarily in the ability to interest and suggest sources. With stick discipline, you can achieve cramming and cramming, I do not argue with that. If you think that now there is no cane discipline for the performer, then there is, all around the fines, even censorship has been revived. However, it also does not roll too much. In addition, your "discipline" easily suppresses attempts to introduce new and non-standard technologies, and vice versa, to establish unnecessary and costly ones.

[dauria]

The art of teaching consists primarily in the ability to interest and suggest sources

Bullshit. The art of teaching is to see how the student thinks, where and in what subtleties he "floats", to make him solve problems in a huge number and independently. Demand tough, not humiliating.
And constantly monitor. The current Google learning system causes enormous irreparable harm precisely with a large number of "tips".

[Altona]

Quote: dauria

And constantly monitor.

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Alexey, I will not argue with you. It’s just that you convinced me with your theses that you were forced to go to college under pressure, under pressure you finished it and now all that you have achieved is achieved only under pressure from your wife. In general, I spoke about freedom as a conscious necessity, but you spoke about permissiveness and attempts to regulate it. These are different things, at least for me.

[dauria]

that you were forced to go to college under pressure, under pressure you graduated

I did not study at the institute. Kiev VVAIU a long time ago.
He acted of his own free will. I was lucky to personally know the people whose textbooks the Soviet Union studied in. Many of them are war veterans.
Tough, damn literate, terribly efficient, demanding. And to the great surprise of the "workers and peasants" boy - the most intelligent. And under the "pressure" of my wife (already 37 years old), even our cat became insolent to the point of impossibility. So do I.

[Altona]

Quote: bober1982

By the way, the local intelligentsia played a large role in the fall of the Iranian monarchy, without these, as always, nowhere, they prepared fertile ground for the revolution.

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Well, actually, what has changed there? The comprador bourgeoisie was replaced by a national bourgeoisie, theocracy was introduced instead of the monarchy, and, by the way, modernization of industry was carried out.
Now everyone is speculating on this topic, given the focus of relations between Iran and the United States, and even within the framework of the announced "world" war. In principle, it's okay to catch hype on everything that happens. By the way, Ukraine is also not a weak supplier of weapons and technologies in our country, but the bourgeois presidents present everything as if they have a state from a "blank slate" and have nothing to do with their predecessors. Turchinov also wanted to recall himself as "level 80 geopolitics." Also, Alexei Navalny, who is a bourgeois politician, kicked the current government again, because he is competing with it. The current government competes with the USSR, so in every paragraph it kicks that "the USSR produced galoshes", "Lenin laid mines for the state, medicine and education", "Stalin was worse than Hitler", "the industry was built by convicts, the war was won by penalties." So I, for example, skip such passages as mantras. I talked about this earlier, but our layman and the “journalist” working for the layman always try to sharpen such slogan cartoons in the brain, knowing that our social networks are full of conventional mikhans and channels.

[Plate]

In the 60s, young and beautiful people could quietly kiss on the street, slender girls in a bikini sunbathe near the pools, there were funny shows on color TV and so on.

I am sure there are color transfers there now. I don’t know if they are funny or not, I won’t speak. But isn’t this, along with permission to walk down the street in a bikini and kiss there, an indicator of well-being?

[The leader of the Redskins]

And in the USSR in the sixties, ALL TV was color? Or did all the films come out in color?

[Plate]

I have no idea - I did not live at that time, I did not study the issue of TVs.

[Freeman]

Quote: Plate

I have no idea - I did not live at that time, I did not study the issue of TVs.

On October 1, 1967, in Moscow, the studio of the Moscow television center on Shabolovka opened regular color television broadcasting on the compatible Soviet-French SECAM system for 625 lines. The opening of color TV was timed to coincide with the 50th anniversary of the October Revolution.
/ * in the television program began to mark the programs going in color /

On July 1, 1967, color television broadcasting began in England, on August 27, 1967, in Germany, and on January 1, 1968, in Holland.

By 1977, all broadcasts of the Central Television had become colorAnd in 1987, all peripheral telecentres received color equipment.

Chief of the Redskins (Nazarius) Today, 13: 28
Or did all the films come out in color?

In the 50s (under Stalin), very few films were released per year (20-30 films), and they were filmed on color film (the "trophy" German film helped a lot).
With the onset of the "Khrushchev thaw", more films were made (50-70 films per year) and they had to save money, the "trophies" ran out and the chemical industry could not meet the demand either in quantity or in quality. for printing film prints, but also for filming pictures.
The films were also assigned a "rental category", in accordance with which the number of color and b / w copies for distribution in cinemas was determined.
The factor of technical support for cinemas with projection equipment also played a role; widescreen cinemas were not enough even in relatively large cities

[sniperino]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

And how did you tighten the nuts later? Islamic dictatorship in one word.

And don’t talk! We have almost the same thing: young and beautiful people cannot calmly get laid in the cabin. Dictatorship!

[gsev]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

In 60 years, young and beautiful people could easily kiss on the street,

Friends said that in Iran, before the overthrow of Shah, sexual promiscuity was much higher than in Yeltsin’s worst days. They traveled to Iran for a commercial purpose and were able to find a zucchini with dancing and alcohol in the 2000s.

[Gardamir]

Interestingly, all of a sudden they became for the Americans.
not a specialist in military aviation, so please explain whether it is true that all civilian aircraft have transponders indicating that this aircraft is civilian.

[Spartanez300]

A transponder is an abbreviation for "transmitter-responder", or "transceiver". In Russian it is correctly called "aircraft radar transponder". This is the name of a device on an airplane that automatically transmits information in response to a request from the ground. To track the liner from the ground, Secondary surveillance radar is traditionally used, or SSR - that is, one that, in response to a radar signal from the ground, transmits some information in response. A conventional ground-based radar, which tracks an aircraft by the reflected radio signal from it, is able to track the distance to the aircraft and its speed, but it is difficult for it to accurately determine the altitude at a great distance. Secondary radars of the latest generation - SSR Mode S - are capable of transmitting many parameters to the ground in response to a signal, including the most important one - altitude, as well as information about the aircraft and flight.

[Altona]

Quote: Gardamir

is it true that all civilian aircraft have transponders indicating that this aircraft is civilian.

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Of course it’s true, otherwise air defense will perceive an air object as a means of attack.

[Gardamir]

Of course it's true

Voooot! Again they say that the entrotransponder itself was turned off.

[would]

So say not very smart people who do not understand what is at stake. There is such a service as Flightradar24 which allows you to monitor aircraft, information is taken from the data transmitted by the transponder. The plane was visible on Flightradar24, which means the transponder worked. Of course, it abruptly stopped working during a flight, most likely after a missile (or missiles) hit an airplane. There is a very small probability that for some very specific reasons the pilots turned it off shortly before the defeat, but there is no objective evidence of this. If anything, then the black boxes in any case will show everything.

There should be another question. But did the commander who issued the order have the current schedule and flight routes of civil aviation? And if there was, then why did he turn to him well and not determine who was on his radar? And if not, then what is there to talk about?

Separately, I note that the transponder itself is not a panacea, it is only part of a rather complex system. And if in this complex system a mess, then it will not help. This is perfectly shown by the Americans when they shot down an Iranian plane over the Persian Gulf from the Vincennes missile cruiser in 1988. The investigation proved that the reason for the mess, starting with bugs in the radar system, ending with the ship was not equipped to communicate with civilian aircraft, and the crew was not trained in this. For example, Americans from an ultra-modern cruiser 7 times tried to contact a civilian plane ... at military frequencies. And they did not have equipment for communication at the frequencies of civil aviation.

[Altona]

Quote: Gardamir

Interestingly, all of a sudden they became for the Americans.

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It is not customary among the bourgeois to excite against the strong. This is an axiom. Even if you don’t like that the lantern in the yard was installed incorrectly, it means that you are dissatisfied with the current government and you need to apply the widest measures of administrative influence. Is it really not visible?

[A hundred]

Shiny-bloody operation of the Mossad and the CIA joint ..
Now Iran will truly poison and bomb you at every opportunity ..
Our Il in Syria also fraudulently, trying to pit Russia with Syria ....
Hold on Iran, you will have serious problems .. In Israel, Oi Wei is already dancing ..

[cost]

A hundred: Oi Wei is already dancing in Israel ..

[A hundred]

Quote: Rich

One Hundred: Oh Wei is already dancing in Israel ..

Yes, yes, that’s how Rich is))))
Well, even nostalgia strangles them toad .. They had fun with us hehe

[cost]

And so we dance. Olga Dolgikh. Rare talented girl

[A hundred]

Quote: Rich

And so not everyone can

Could in the days of the USSR .. All national costumes and dances knew
Now we are turned into a mass and poisoned .. Oh, we were led .. on sausage and gum. Having painted, I wanted to live, and the country was ruined to the noise ..
This is no longer shown to us on TV ... (some b ..)

[Freeman]

Quote: Hundred

Quote: Rich

And so not everyone can

Could during the USSR ..

Signature "sliding step" of the ensemble "Birch".
The "Western audience" and the younger generation really think that the dance is performed on "gyroscooters".

[The leader of the Redskins]

It would be better in the performance of M. Zakharova inserted!))) Also a rare talent!)))

[Altona]

Quote: Hundred

Shiny-bloody operation of the Mossad and the CIA joint ..

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That's right, Vitaly! Current reality can lead you, a true and crystalline patriot, from the right path. Current they, no one else. And it doesn’t matter if they are Shionugs or simply by origin. Fool true patriots as they want.

[megadeth]

It was not necessary to provoke the Persians (as usual, it was not the wine ones who died, I’m sorry), the FSA was always on the sidelines, and again Russia (the Russian air defense system) and its poor military pensioners were to blame.

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: megadeth

It was not necessary to provoke the Persians (as usual, it was not the wine ones who died, I’m sorry), the FSA was always on the sidelines, and again Russia (the Russian air defense system) and its poor military pensioners were to blame.

The Persians were to blame for this tragedy, as they did not close their airspace for civilian aircraft (who prevented them from doing this?) And it was their air defense that shot down the aircraft, so Iran bears full responsibility. Of course, no one specially shot down the aircraft, but this does not shift the degree of responsibility to others.

"press conference of the head of the VKS IRGC Amir-Ali Hajizadeh:

... Hajizadeh said that on the night of the disaster, the armed forces were in a state of readiness for the start of a full-scale war with the United States after attacks on US military facilities in Iraq. Moreover, there was information about the launch of US cruise missiles on Iranian positions.

The Iranian air defense operator independently decided to launch a missile on the plane, which he mistook for an enemy object, having failed to contact the command.

“Either the jamming system worked, or the network was busy, but he could not communicate. He had the opportunity to make a decision within five seconds. Unfortunately, he made the wrong decision and launched a rocket on the target, ”Hajizade said.

Hajizadeh repeated several times that the civil authorities, incl. aviation officials did not have information about this, and all responsibility rests with the armed forces and those who could not provide proper control over the situation (apparently, we are talking about the fact that flights were not prohibited).
added that the Iranian military asked to stop air communication during a missile strike on US military bases in Iraq, but this requirement was not fulfilled.

Hajizadeh himself reported to the leadership that the Aerospace Forces presumably shot down the plane on Wednesday morning, but the General Staff at that time forbade disclosing this information. "

[parusnik]

If you have already led such an open policy in the investigation of a downed plane, then you should be proactive, pay compensation to the relatives of the victims, bring to justice, etc.

[Ros 56]

The Iranians, of course, went wrong, but the diagnosis of Trupchinov has long been known - a clinical banderoid.

[prior]

What losses did the US suffer as a result of the killing with the help of an Iranian general drone?
Yes, almost none. They also impose economic sanctions on others.
We should take advantage of their experience and start shooting the most odious Ukrainian Turchinovs and other national patriots. Drone or "Caliber" - what's the difference. The Baltic States are next ...
Let them think when they open their mouths. The diagnosis is made, it is necessary to treat ....

[Snail N9]

Shoot .... the minke whales and their sixes from the EU are just waiting for this, then howling and yelling at every corner about the "bloody gebnya" and "Moscow's red hand, covered in blood," and to impose one more "hellish sanctions".

[prior]

Chegevara, Milosevic, Allende, Gaddafi, Hussein, now Suleymani .......... the work of crystal-honest knights from the CIA and their colleagues from other departments. And no one howls and no one yells.
And you worry about the pastor, and the bloody one who unleashed fratricide in Ukraine.

[Snail N9]

They do not howl or shout because of those killed by the CIA and other "Mossads" for a simple reason - all world media and "international political tribunes" are controlled by the CIA and "Mossads" and they howl and shout only at their behest. Russia does not own anything except RT on the "ideological front". On the other hand, Russia is happily throwing billions into yachts, mansions and "hiding and shoving" the rest into all kinds of "money boxes" and at the same time trying to win something "on the ideological front".

[prior]

They will be forced to comment on the funeral of famous Russophobes with the help of their media.
And the louder they shout, the more there will be those who want to jump out of the skyscraper window with a squeal: "The Russians are coming."
It suits me.

[kot28.ru]

I think the snail will sing to them

[Nedokomsomolets]

It is necessary to start with the shareholders of investment funds in whose interests coups take place. And all sorts of Turchinovs are pawns. I suggest not exchanging for them.

[Snail N9]

This is true. Over there in London, the oligarchs who fled there regularly die for unknown or "usual" reasons. True, they are dying so far only, in favor of London ...

[iouris]

Quote: "The Voice of America also quotes the words of the President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky. The President advocated a full and open investigation and bringing the perpetrators of the disaster to justice." End of quote.
There is nothing to investigate. Iranian leaders have already surrendered in full. And, of course, after completing a political assignment, Ze focused on finances: he demanded money. Practice shows that we can talk about $ 500.000 .... 1.500.000 for each victim, plus the cost of the aircraft. At the same time, the Ze government has already announced the payment of $ 8.000 to the victims. These are two big differences!

[Cat Kuzya]

In Russia, it is not customary to care about its people. In Russia, it is customary for "friendly and good-neighborly relations" to forgive multibillion-dollar debts to various Papuans, and to increase the retirement age, increase taxes and other fiscal burdens for "our people".

[Li17]

Quote: Hundred

Quote: Rich

One Hundred: Oh Wei is already dancing in Israel ..

Yes, yes, that’s how Rich is))))
Well, even nostalgia strangles them toad .. They had fun with us hehe

Old man Hottabych is also from .....! And he has a beard to see a bank transponder!

[nikolaj1703]

Everyone comments hiding behind pseudonyms. Straight sofa army of verbiage.

[The leader of the Redskins]

And only you - a knight on a white horse with an open visor and a passport photo on the profile picture ...

[Yury Siritsky]

Turchinov’s dilemma has long been a secret, so you should not pay attention to the flawed.

[DPN]

They simply cleverly switched the media from US pirates to Iran. What is the strength in, brother? in dollars brother and power! they can do everything that the United States does.

[Jack O'Neill]

So who will be responsible for the killed passengers? Calculation of ZRS? Officers? Who's guilty?

[DRM]

As an officer, albeit a different kind of troops (artilleryman), he communicated with air defense-shniki many times. Now on the topic: a civilian aircraft that departed from the capital (Capital Karl) airport is controlled by control services with real-time data transmission, to the air defense operational duty officer in the area of ​​responsibility. To confuse something Impossible! It's like a plane that took off from Sheremetyevo will be "accidentally" shot down over the outskirts of Moscow. Rave.
Would you like conspiracy theories, please. In Iran for 10 years already, two tendencies (parties) in power are fighting. One with the installation on "hard" Islam like Ayatola Khomeini, the other according to the type of "secular" Islam a la Ataturk or Sadat. So, everything that happened 100% falls on the pattern of this struggle. At first, the states played along with the "soft" party by eliminating the leader of the opposite one. Then the "liberal" (very tentatively) Iranians themselves put the IRGC in jeopardy by shooting down the Ukrainian side. In this regard, I foresee a clean-up in the Iranian leadership, with a change of course towards a more inclined to compromise with the West. And mark my words, in the coming days there will be news that a specific officer who fired on a civilian board would allegedly commit suicide from an excess of conscience.
PS. And to those who speculated on the topic of the death of people, like about "ukrov" everything can be said - shame!

[gsev]

Quote: DRM

the officer who shot on the civilian side allegedly kills himself from an excess of conscience.

Unlikely. In Islam, suicide and coercion to commit suicide is a great sin. In Iran they can severely punish the enemy, but like in the USSR under Stalin they do not kill for no reason.

[RoTTor]

IRAN SAVED FACE AND ... MONEY

https://www.facebook.com/Transpress_viczel-178637738821455

[Igor Ivanov_4]

Shot down and done right! Well, rest in peace to the victims, but Iran did not start it!