The consequences of the Iranian “mistake”. Downed Boeing: from protests in Iran to Turchinov’s “diagnosis”


The Boeing 737-800 of Ukraine’s International Airlines, flying to Kiev, was hit by a rocket shortly after departure from Tehran Airport. One hundred seventy-six people were killed, including nine crew members and one hundred and sixty-seven passengers from different countries: Ukraine, Canada, Germany, Sweden, Afghanistan and Iran.


After the Iranian authorities recognized the “error” of the air defense and made a public statement about the downed Ukrainian plane, unofficial mourning processions took place in the cities of Iran. The exit of people on the streets should be recognized as spontaneous. The procession quickly grew into real protests against the current government. In Tehran, several hundred activists even demanded the "resignation" of Ayatollah Khamenei. “Go away!” Was what the demonstrators suggested to him. Also, the protesters proposed to bring this figure to justice.

The echo of Iranian popular indignation has reached the United States. President D. Trump has supported the protests on Twitter. Trump told the "suffering people of Iran" that he supports him, the entire American government also supports it and "will continue to support it." The courage of the Iranians who took to the streets, he called "inspiring."

English site "Voices of America" quoted by US Special Representative for Iran, Brian Hook. He told the Voice correspondent that "we [the United States] support the brave Iranian people one hundred percent." Hook also noted:

“Protesters stigmatize the shameful actions of the IRGC and tear down the Suleimani posters displayed by the regime. It is said that Suleimani was a murderer, like Khamenei. The protesters are right! ”


Voice of America also cites the words of President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky. The President advocated a full and open investigation and prosecution of the perpetrators of the disaster.

As for the unofficial Ukraine, that traditionally blamed Russia. Blamed not from the rostrum due to the lack thereof, but at the level of social networks.

Former NSDC secretary A. Turchinov made a “diagnosis” on Facebook: they say that not only the Iranian leadership should answer for the downing of the Boeing, but also the Russian leadership: after all, this is the second Boeing passenger destroyed recently by a Russian missile According to Turchinov, who cite Ukrainian media,

"Just as in the case of the Malaysian plane, the Russian leadership in its official statements tried not only to support Iran as its strategic partner, but also to misinform the world community, inventing false versions of this terrible tragedy."

According to Turchinov, Ukraine should now demand an extraordinary meeting of the Security Council at the UN, to ensure an investigation of the crash of the liner and to hold the leadership of both Russia and Iran accountable.

As if to tone Turchinov made the Russian opposition politician A. Navalny. He also spoke out on the Internet - like Trump, in "Twitter". His statement looks like this:

The consequences of the Iranian “mistake”. Downed Boeing: from protests in Iran to Turchinov’s “diagnosis”

Objected Turchinov and others like him Alexei Pushkov. Also in "Twitter". Pushkov, as we see, made Turchinov a “diagnosis”.


At the end of the review, a few words about the political decisions of Canada. Government position was expressed by Canadian Prime Minister Trudeau, who had previously spoken out about the downed plane. He did not write in social networks, but made a statement to the press.

The Prime Minister of Canada said that the main task of the authorities now is to obtain from Tehran an impartial investigation into the crash of the plane, which flew sixty-three Canadian citizens. The Prime Minister personally spoke with several relatives of the victims and concluded that they wanted justice. The Canadian government will not calm down until it receives a report and judicial completion of the case.
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  1. Thrifty 12 January 2020 07: 09 New
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    So exactly such a development of events was to be expected! Everyone has attacked the Iranians now, the information war in the region is gaining momentum. And the words of Trupchinov will be remembered in order to introduce new sanctions against our military-industrial complex! It’s a pity that our experts were not invited to identify the wreckage of the rocket, otherwise the truth will come up over the years that the American drone fired the rocket, and the Iranians, in exchange for not accepting real sanctions against them, took all the blame!
    1. Spartanez300 12 January 2020 07: 10 New
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      Iran really didn’t need it in the current situation, and indeed no one needed it, now Trump’s extra trump card in the confrontation with Iran. And as for the maniac Turchinov with his delusions, as always, I don’t understand why he is still not in the nuthouse with his brothers in mind.
      1. lwxx 12 January 2020 07: 22 New
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        In recognition of Iran, as in the very downing of the plane, a lot of strange things. There are many inconsistencies. And the ears of the "partners" are starting to stick out more and more.
        1. bobwings 12 January 2020 07: 38 New
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          And what kind of inconsistencies?
          1. lwxx 12 January 2020 07: 48 New
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            judging by the images published on the Web, the head part of the 9M330 missile system Tor, “lay almost under the plane in an exceptionally good, perfectly painted state, one of the first to report a version of a strike on a plane with a missile in Canada, which has no space intelligence . Only the USA and Russia have it, and all the others have purchased information. Only we and the Americans can confirm that some actions were carried out. But we are silent! The ex-head of the anti-aircraft missile forces of the Special Forces Command of the Russian Air Force does not exclude that in fact, in the flight zone of the Ukrainian airliner there could be an American reconnaissance drones that was sent to Iran after Tehran’s strike at US bases in Iraq. etc
            1. Zeev Zeev 12 January 2020 08: 31 New
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              The area in which the civilian airliner was shot down is located a few kilometers from the capital of Iran. That is, you want to say that the UAV crossed the border, passed over the territory of the country several hundred kilometers and returned without any problems without being shot down by numerous Iranian air defense systems armed with the latest Russian, Iranian and Chinese-made equipment? That is, all these complexes are so bad that they do not see the enemy plane?
            2. svp67 12 January 2020 09: 12 New
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              Quote: lwxx
              The ex-chief of the anti-aircraft missile forces of the Special Forces Command of the Russian Air Force does not exclude that, in fact, in the flight zone of the Ukrainian airliner there could be an American reconnaissance drone, which was sent to Iran after Tehran’s attack on US bases in Iraq. etc

              And the impact on air defense systems with electronic warfare systems, the Iranians say that at the time of the attack there was a malfunction in the control systems, is it not strange?
              1. major147 12 January 2020 12: 11 New
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                Quote: svp67
                And the impact on air defense systems with electronic warfare systems, the Iranians say that at the time of the attack there was a malfunction in the control systems, is it not strange?

                And a transponder was working at the ukrosolot, and another's drone, which could well hide behind the Boeing, could very well detect air defense. Yes, and the time of day is chosen - "dog shift."
            3. major147 12 January 2020 12: 06 New
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              Quote: lwxx
              in the flight zone of the Ukrainian airliner there could be an American reconnaissance drone,

              And then the Israeli methodology tested in Syria comes into effect.
            4. 16329 12 January 2020 15: 13 New
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              Everything is much simpler, the IRGC is full of Western agents, now there are arrests related to the assassination of Suleymani and the attempted murder of a senior IRGC special forces officer in Yemen, about 50 people are said to have been arrested.
              Therefore, the data there is simply transmitted through normal channels.
              And there is no need for a drone, just the usual inconsistency between civilian and military authorities is enough, the military asked to close the area for flights, and the civilian authorities for some reason waited a bit and let the plane out to the combat duty area of ​​the air defense systems, and communications between the military and civilians at a crucial moment why it was not and so on
              Iran is a completely open country, there is no super-rigid regime, everyone has a lot of relatives in Europe and the USA, Iranians are not fanatics with whom someone represents them.
              There is an active opposition in the country supported by the West, by the way yesterday at the "mourning rally in memory of the dead passengers" which was held by the opposition with the participation, of course, youth, the UK ambassador was detained, then released
              Therefore, the participation of foreign intelligence agencies in the organization of this incident is quite acceptable, only to prove it is practically impossible
              So the asymmetric response to a bold Iranian strike on US bases was completely successful, although in general, the consequences of the Iranian strike on the US position in the region are unlikely to change significantly
        2. kepmor 12 January 2020 07: 56 New
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          and what inconsistencies and oddities ??? ...
          everything is obvious ... paranoid fear of a retaliatory strike by the Americans, simply paralyzed the brains of the Iranian pvoshniks ... and the country's leadership ...
          to get a blimp from a Boeing, with a working transponder in the civilian corridor, and even at an altitude of 1,5 km with an ax that flies 50-150 meters, this must be managed very well ...
          and the most important mistake of the Iranian leadership is that they decided to play war games, so introduce a ban on flights ... why did you substitute the innocent ...
          and then according to S. Lavrov .......... will be the very thing ...
          1. anjey 12 January 2020 08: 57 New
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            If you want to, you don’t want Iran, but you were hiding behind the scenes of passenger liners from a possible strike by the Yankees, they were afraid and covered themselves, and this was not a ban on flights.
            And the version is that the Boeing transponder was turned off and Thor worked on it on the machine, as it does not work on an unidentified "alien" ???
            1. Cetron 12 January 2020 16: 56 New
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              There is another version: some Ukrainian espionage equipment was installed on the Ukrainian plane, for example, for scanning air defense systems, and at the time of its inclusion, air defense officers took the aircraft for espionage, and therefore shot down. If this would come up, the scandal would not be comic (using a civilian vassal plane for espionage). Perhaps they agreed, for the buns, they will write off the mess and chance that their basurman is sorry, ukroholopov generally does not count.
        3. Chaldon48 12 January 2020 08: 22 New
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          Iwxx, is it possible about oddities and inconsistencies in more detail?
        4. helmi8 12 January 2020 15: 32 New
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          Quote: lwxx
          And ears of "partners" begin to stick out more and more.

          It's not about the "ears of partners." Iran’s guilt is obvious in any case - if you intend to use missiles, then close the area for flights. Even during training launches, such areas are closed. Everything else is already a consequence ...
      2. knn54 12 January 2020 09: 07 New
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        Reminds a multi-way combination.
        A friend (track and field coach) worked in Iran for several years. In all so-called "spontaneous" rallies, the "golden youth" is slightly diluted with stoned or lumpen.
        We see an interesting picture, the guilty one is not the admitted air defense worker, but the ayatollah itself.
        There is a swinging of the foundations of the state and a desire to obliterate the assassination of the General.
        It seems that they succeeded.
        Regarding Turchinov, this is not treated.
        1. bessmertniy 12 January 2020 09: 29 New
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          Several hundred protesters are not an indicator for Iran. Most likely, relatives and friends of the deceased students came out mainly. More is a tribute to an anti-government speech.
        2. Simple 12 January 2020 12: 05 New
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          Quote: knn54
          There is a swinging of the foundations of the state and a desire to obliterate the assassination of the General.


          In the Western media, information is presented just like that.
        3. Kronos 12 January 2020 13: 23 New
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          Well, actually the leadership’s fault is because the system is so set up that a simple air defense worker was able to do this. I also understand the students living under religious pressure and constantly half the war and Israel is awful
          1. cradle 13 January 2020 03: 55 New
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            if there was religious pressure, then the women would hide their faces behind the veil. And so Iran is a completely secular country. And what is terrible for Iran in its relations with Israel, is it not a mirror to Israel? nude nude ...
      3. Grits 13 January 2020 05: 52 New
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        I don’t understand why he is still not in the psychiatric hospital with his brothers in mind.

        I would say - brothers for lack of reason.
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  3. Amateur 12 January 2020 07: 29 New
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    The exit of people on the streets should be recognized as spontaneous.

    On Saturday, January 11, a group of students gathered at the Tehran Technological University named after Amir Kabir to protest at the recognition by the Iranian Armed Forces of responsibility for the fall of the Ukrainian Boeing 737. The British ambassador tried to lead the actions of the crowd while in a store located near the school. (Tape .RU)

    That's what blocking social networks means. Uncle ambassador had to personally lead. But cookies, unlike aunty Vicki Nuland, did not take. So he burned.
    1. Snail N9 12 January 2020 10: 50 New
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      I read that the Ukrainian plane, instead of continuing to take off in a straight line, suddenly turned almost 180 degrees and appeared suddenly from the approaching side of the IRGC base, and at a low altitude, which was perceived by the air defense system as the appearance of a cruise missile flying around the terrain or as an American drone, which there harm was hanging around at this time .. The question is why and who deployed the plane, sending it to the IRGC base?
      1. zlinn 12 January 2020 16: 27 New
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        you should no longer read this source, there is a trajectory with a 24 fly radar and the plane did not change course before the defeat and did not decrease
  4. Basarev 12 January 2020 07: 43 New
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    Eh. Even the miserable Iranians decided on large-scale protests. And the clogged Russians can only cowardly bay in Tyrnyt, being afraid to even give their last name.
    1. Olgovich 12 January 2020 08: 45 New
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      Quote: Basarev
      Eh. Even the miserable Iranians decided on large-scale protests. And the clogged Russians can only cowardly bay in Tyrnyt, afraid to even name.

      somebody even more miserable and cowardly than the Iranians and Russians: even on the Internet no one did not name, as well as the occasion.

      And what are you talking about? belay request
    2. Barmaleyka 12 January 2020 09: 36 New
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      Quote: Basarev
      Eh. Even the miserable Iranians decided on large-scale protests.
      no one has ever made protests in the world without organization, so get on with the "miserable people"
    3. qQQQ 12 January 2020 10: 18 New
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      Quote: Basarev
      Even the miserable Iranians decided on large-scale protests. And the clogged Russians can only cowardly bay in Tyrnyt, being afraid to even give their last name.

      We just have a brain and memory, I hope that we all remember the consequences of all the revolutions that were in our country, and we can also analyze what happens to the non-brothers. In general, there is nothing that would indicate the overthrow of power by force in a positive way.
      1. major147 12 January 2020 12: 25 New
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        Quote: qqqq
        we can analyze what happens with the non-brothers.

        The main thing here is to learn from someone else's experience .... The non-brothers did not grow together with this. Their "bloody" Yanukovych signed a "renunciation of power", but the owners did not even want a peaceful transfer of power, but ordered everyone to be blamed. As a result, they have what they have.
      2. for
        for 12 January 2020 16: 45 New
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        Quote: qqqq
        We just have a brain and memory,

        Something in 90 was not observed.
        1. qQQQ 12 January 2020 22: 10 New
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          Quote: for
          Something in 90 was not observed.

          Until the 90s, we still had no experience of life under modern capitalism, we bought it from this, I hope that this number would not have passed now, although it’s too late to talk about it, to return nothing back. But remember this all the same.
          1. for
            for 13 January 2020 06: 49 New
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            Quote: qqqq
            under modern capitalism,

            This is not modern capitalism, but Russian. We still have not decided on the system, with each a little favorite for our beloved ones.
            1. qQQQ 13 January 2020 09: 26 New
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              Quote: for
              This is not modern capitalism, but Russian.

              On the whole, I agree, only this is the process of the initial accumulation of capital, it is approximately the same for everyone, the West went through it much earlier.
    4. Simple 12 January 2020 12: 07 New
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      Quote: Basarev
      large-scale protests.


      For scale in more detail please.
    5. Lelek 12 January 2020 12: 42 New
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      Quote: Basarev
      And the clogged Russians can only cowardly bay in Tyrnyt, being afraid to even give their last name.


      There is a worthy place on the planet Earth for those brave and decisive like you. There you immediately - in the "Hero" and - on a pedestal. This is where you can safely "not cowardly" without fear, but - with a loud voice, a crooked uterus.
    6. Snigir 12 January 2020 15: 58 New
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      Respect for honesty to Iranians
    7. cradle 13 January 2020 03: 57 New
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      What surname do you need? Putin? He called ... so I voted FOR HIM and I WILL vote. Do you understand?
  5. Li17 12 January 2020 07: 48 New
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    Quote: Basarev
    Eh. Even the miserable Iranians decided on large-scale protests. And the clogged Russians can only cowardly bay in Tyrnyt, being afraid to even give their last name.

    Well, against whom or what do we need to protest? And who will lead the protest? Something is modestly silent as the Americans shot down the passenger airliner, or the Ukrainians shot down the board over the sea and ... so far nothing to anyone!
  6. Zeev Zeev 12 January 2020 07: 53 New
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    Firstly, the Bloody Pastor accused the Russian Federation that Russia, which has nothing to do with the Ukrainian Boeing disaster, nevertheless, at all levels from ordinary network users (which we could directly observe at VO) to the State Duma deputies, began to indiscriminately prove innocence Iranian military. To consider that this is the position of ALL RUSSIA, I will leave Pan Turchinov. Secondly, this Navalny of yours rode absolutely right on these propagandists of yours who said yesterday “Iran didn’t bring down anything”, and today they say “What fellow Persians that they admitted.” Thirdly, the British ambassador did not manage the protests, he was detained for filming a mourning procession, which sounded anti-government slogans. Anyone who still thinks that one person can control a spontaneous protest is invited to a nearby construction site to command a team of completely unfamiliar people.
    1. Olgovich 12 January 2020 09: 05 New
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      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      Firstly, Bloody Pastor accused the Russian Federation that Russia, which has nothing to do with the disaster of the Ukrainian Boeing, nevertheless at all levels from simple network users (which we could directly observe in the VO) before the State Duma deputies began prove indiscriminately Iranian military.

      1. Lie: NO at Turchinov not a word about network users.
      2. Bring, liar, this "evidence" of official Russia.
      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      Secondly, this your Navalny rode absolutely right on these your propagandists

      This lord called himself an animal:
      Navalny: "This is something similar to zoology-OBSERVE
      lol observant animal ...
      OFFICIAL position of Russia was the need for a thorough objective investigation
      1. Zeev Zeev 12 January 2020 10: 03 New
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        A zoologist is someone who watches animals, if someone is not in the know.
        As for the official position of the country called Russia, I did not write anything, carefully re-read.
        1. Olgovich 12 January 2020 11: 34 New
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          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          A zoologist is someone who watches animals, if someone is not in the know

          If anyone does not know: zoology is a science about representatives animals,
          Bulk, respectively, an animal: no one else mentioned animals
          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          As for the official position of the country called Russia, I did not write anything, carefully re-read.

          Reread YOURSELF yourself: you agreed with the pastor, and he wrote about official Russia
          1. Zeev Zeev 12 January 2020 11: 56 New
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            The argument about what should not be continued
      2. asv363 12 January 2020 10: 52 New
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        Quote: Olgovich
        Navalny: "This is something similar to zoology-OBSERVE
        observant animal ...

        Andrey, this animal hurts, it infects others. It is necessary to put him to sleep.
        1. major147 12 January 2020 12: 31 New
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          Quote: asv363
          It is necessary to put him to sleep.

          And for a long time ....
      3. major147 12 January 2020 12: 29 New
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        Quote: Olgovich
        OFFICIAL position of Russia

        I note that the official positions of other countries have changed according to the incoming information on the progress of the investigation.
    2. D16
      D16 12 January 2020 10: 04 New
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      Anyone who still thinks that one person can control a spontaneous protest is invited to a nearby construction site to command a team of completely unfamiliar people.

      And if in this team there is your assistant who knows the rest perfectly? Agree, the picture plays with completely different colors. laughing
      1. Zeev Zeev 12 January 2020 10: 13 New
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        Even a dozen assistants, too, will not be able to cope with the crowd.
        1. D16
          D16 12 January 2020 10: 52 New
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          Even a dozen assistants, too, will not be able to cope with the crowd.

          The crowd was not so big there. One of the ambassador’s tasks is to establish contacts with the local opposition. Assistants must have other assistants. Here https://aftershock.news/?q=node/822381 write that:
          In Tehran, the British ambassador Rob McAir was detained (according to other sources - arrested) by the security forces, who took part in protests against the Iranian government at Amir Kabir University and sang anti-government chants in the crowd.
          The ambassador claims that he just came to look at the protests and take pictures of them.
          He was later released.
          1. Zeev Zeev 12 January 2020 11: 03 New
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            But we understand that in reality the British ambassador did not participate in the protests themselves. Not by rank, and diplomats do not scorch so stupidly.
            1. D16
              D16 12 January 2020 11: 22 New
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              Of course. Only take pictures and send a progress report laughing .
              1. Zeev Zeev 12 January 2020 11: 54 New
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                For such things, there is a third cultural attaché assistant. Or local.
                1. 16329 12 January 2020 15: 25 New
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                  Yes, of course, and the ambassador simply wanted to commemorate the victims of the disaster, and then suddenly someone nearby shouted, “Down with the bloody regime,” and then suddenly the cops, the raid
                  1. cradle 13 January 2020 10: 08 New
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                    and give out the cookies ... to the ball. hi
            2. rich 12 January 2020 11: 50 New
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              Zeev Zeev (Zeev Zeev): But we understand that in reality the British ambassador did not participate in the protests themselves.

              Honest noble. I swear by rating yes hi
              1. Zeev Zeev 12 January 2020 12: 01 New
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                By the way, about the rating, if it is so important to someone. How many minuses did they wind up for what I said about the possible destruction of the Ukrainian Iranian air defense airliner?
                1. rich 12 January 2020 13: 31 New
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                  Not everyone likes, not your information, but how exactly do you submit it. For which you are minus. I remember your competent, unbiased comments two or three years ago. And with pleasure he listened to them. And now, as if someone had bitten you, or someone else wrote under your nickname. Sorry for IMHO
              2. major147 12 January 2020 12: 33 New
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                Quote: Rich
                Honest noble. I swear by rating

                Gentlemen take the word .... repeat
            3. kot28.ru 12 January 2020 12: 11 New
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              It turned out that they were scorching. And not only in Ukraine or in Russia. As you say, around the world already!
        2. cradle 13 January 2020 10: 06 New
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          but this is already ... a lie laughing
  7. uporov65 12 January 2020 08: 10 New
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    That is, it turns out that we are responsible for each PUK where Russian-made weapons were used. Vova, definitely this bald Turchila should answer for his bazaar.
  8. The leader of the Redskins 12 January 2020 08: 24 New
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    A beautiful Iranian in the photo ... A couple of years ago I watched a documentary about Iran. Rather, about Iran before a radical Islamic coup. And quietly fucked up ... In the 60s, young and beautiful people could quietly kiss on the street, slender girls in a bikini sunbathing near the pools, funny programs went on color TV and so on. And how did you tighten the nuts later? Islamic dictatorship in one word.
    1. bober1982 12 January 2020 08: 52 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      In 60 years, young and beautiful people could easily kiss on the street, slender girls in a bikini sunbathe near the pools

      Yes, you can agree with you. But, the overthrow of the monarchical regime was welcomed by millions of people, everyone was jubilant. The stake of the Iranian monarchs on friendship with the West did not justify itself, hence the discontent of people. By the way, the local intelligentsia played a large role in the fall of the Iranian monarchy, without these, as always, nowhere, they prepared fertile ground for the revolution.
      1. bessmertniy 12 January 2020 09: 35 New
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        Give the girls only democracy - they’ll generally walk around the streets naked, they won’t give the men access. wassat The dictatorship is strict, but fair. Looks like morality! wink
        1. Altona 12 January 2020 12: 49 New
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          Quote: bessmertniy
          The dictatorship is strict, but fair.

          ----------------------------
          Dictatorship of whom? Forbes billionaires who live outside Russia? However, too early you decided to enroll in slaves. Or are you talking about the dictatorship of the ayatollah? To all pray, pray and pray? In the modern world, this does not work. And by the way, this is faced by all the states that cultivate creative and technical intelligentsia. Creative labor requires more freedom. And the stupid dictatorship of the power bureaucracy itself provokes unrest in the cities. Another question is that the means of manipulation are becoming thinner and it is easier to keep an atomized society under control.
          1. dauria 12 January 2020 13: 55 New
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            Creative work requires more freedom


            Misconception. It is creative work that requires severe discipline, both personal and collective. Kuprin's "Duel" is written from under the stick of his first wife, "three pages a day."
            One of the best bombers of the Second World War was created by a team that had been “behind the thorn” for three years.
            Don’t blame America - there for “freedom”, a collapsing common cause, fly out of the gate in an instant. Hard creative work and “freedom” are antagonisms by definition.
            1. Altona 12 January 2020 16: 35 New
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              Quote: dauria
              Misconception. It is creative work that requires severe discipline, both personal and collective. Kuprin's "Duel" is written from under the stick of his first wife, "three pages a day."

              -------------------------------
              What kind of freedom do you mean? What am I doing as an engineer? That is why freedom is needed to broaden one's horizons, education and other things. To do this, one must travel, communicate with different people. Your opinion is strange about sticks and discipline. You probably need to flog at the stable on Saturdays and drive gauntlets through the line. And I personally deeply spit how Kuprin wrote something there. Maxim Gorky could not write anything without Italy, nevertheless, the great writer Mayakovsky wrote, producing lines, and also a great poet, both proletarian. And discipline is primarily a product of personal will and inner stamina, and not external coercion. You will learn at least some basics of psychology before making such broad generalizations with a single example. By the way, the ever-memorable General Suleymani became what he became primarily due to the opportunities that the revolution gave. But the consequences of any revolution tend to fade over time and disavow due to the despotism of the ruling bureaucracy, which degenerates over time.
              1. dauria 12 January 2020 17: 01 New
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                Your opinion is strange about sticks and discipline. You probably need to flog at the stable on Saturdays and drive gauntlets through the line.


                Do not smack nonsense. Cancel homework, exams and grades - get the "excellent" result of complete freedom. And about "travel to different countries" - well, they have been traveling for 30 years. “Swaboda” has nowhere else to go. Did you create a lot of masterpieces of art and technology compared to the USSR? Any organized work limits freedom, not increases.
                And you whine about an interesting "intellectual" line - "I am oppressed by such a clever, not appreciated and limited in freedom."
                Any engineer remembers with respect the exacting
                to the cruelty of the teacher, and not the "chairman of the women's council." An intelligent engineer, of course, and not the current "unrecognized genius"
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                  Quote: dauria
                  Do not smack nonsense. Cancel homework, exams and grades - get the "excellent" result of complete freedom. And about "travel to different countries" - well, they have been traveling for 30 years. “Swaboda” has nowhere else to go.

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                  This is you smashing nonsense. If a person does not want to do homework, he does not do them or write them off. The question is again internal discipline and conscious need, that is, understanding the necessity of this. As for the ride, then under Stalin, scientists traveled and no one stopped it. And with your understanding of discipline, you will not come to the desired result. If you want to hammer nails with a microscope, then who will forbid you? Please score. The art of teaching consists primarily in the ability to interest and suggest sources. Cramming discipline can achieve cramming and chastity, I do not argue with that. If you think that now there is no stick discipline for the performer, then there is, around fines, even censorship has been revived. However, it doesn’t roll too much. In addition, your "discipline" easily suppresses attempts to introduce new and non-standard technologies and vice versa, to establish unnecessary and costly ones.
                  1. dauria 12 January 2020 18: 38 New
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                    The art of teaching consists primarily in the ability to interest and suggest sources


                    Bullshit. The art of teaching is to see how the student thinks, where and in what subtleties he “floats”, to force him to solve problems in huge numbers and on his own. Demand firmly, without humiliating.
                    And constantly monitor. The current Google-training system does tremendous incorrigible damage precisely with a large number of "tips".
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                      And constantly monitor.

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                      Alexey, I will not argue with you. It’s just that you convinced me with your theses that you were forced to go to college under pressure, under pressure you finished it and now all that you have achieved is achieved only under pressure from your wife. In general, I spoke about freedom as a conscious necessity, but you spoke about permissiveness and attempts to regulate it. These are different things, at least for me.
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                        that you were forced to go to college under pressure, under pressure you graduated


                        I did not study at the institute. Kiev VVAIU a long time ago.
                        He acted of his own free will. I was lucky to personally know the people whose textbooks the Soviet Union studied in. Many of them are war veterans.
                        Tough, damn literate, terribly efficient, demanding. And to the greatest surprise of the "worker-peasant" kid - the most intelligent. And under the "pressure" of my wife (already 37 years old) even our cat became impudent to impossibility. So do I. laughing
      2. Altona 12 January 2020 12: 38 New
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        By the way, the local intelligentsia played a large role in the fall of the Iranian monarchy, without these, as always, nowhere, they prepared fertile ground for the revolution.

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        Well, actually, what has changed there? The comprador bourgeoisie was replaced by a national bourgeoisie, theocracy was introduced instead of the monarchy, and, by the way, modernization of industry was carried out.
        Now everyone is speculating on this subject, given the focus on relations between Iran and the United States, and even within the framework of the announced "world" war. In principle, it’s normal to catch hype on everything that happens. By the way, Ukraine, we also seem to be a strong supplier of weapons and technology, but the bourgeois presidents represent everything as if they have a state from scratch and they have nothing to do with their predecessors. Turchinov likewise wanted to remind himself of himself as "level 80 geopolitics." Also, Alexei Navalny, who is a bourgeois politician, again kicked the current government because he is competing with it. The current government is competing with the USSR, therefore, in every paragraph it kicks that "the USSR issued galoshes", "Lenin laid mines under the state, medicine and education", "Stalin was worse than Hitler", "the convicts built the industry, the fines won the war." So, for example, I miss such passages as mantras. I talked about this earlier, but here, the layman and the journalist working for the layman are always trying to sharpen such slogan cartoons in the brain, knowing that we have full social networks with conditional mihans and Ruslans.
    2. Plate 12 January 2020 10: 06 New
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      In the 60s, young and beautiful people could quietly kiss on the street, slender girls in a bikini sunbathe near the pools, there were funny shows on color TV and so on.

      I am sure there are color transfers there now. I don’t know if they are funny or not, I won’t speak. But isn’t this, along with permission to walk down the street in a bikini and kiss there, an indicator of well-being?
      1. The leader of the Redskins 12 January 2020 13: 28 New
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        And in the USSR in the sixties, ALL TV was color? Or did all the films come out in color?
        1. Plate 12 January 2020 16: 16 New
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          I have no idea - I did not live at that time, I did not study the issue of TVs.
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            I have no idea - I did not live at that time, I did not study the issue of TVs.


            On October 1, 1967, in Moscow, the studio of the Moscow television center on Shabolovka opened regular color television broadcasting on the compatible Soviet-French SECAM system for 625 lines. The opening of color TV was timed to coincide with the 50th anniversary of the October Revolution.
            / * in the television program began to mark the programs going in color /

            On July 1, 1967, color television broadcasting began in England, on August 27, 1967, in Germany, and on January 1, 1968, in Holland.

            By 1977, all broadcasts of the Central Television had become colorAnd in 1987, all peripheral telecentres received color equipment.

            Chief of the Redskins (Nazarius) Today, 13: 28
            Or did all the films come out in color?

            In the 50s (under Stalin), very few films were released per year (20-30 films), and they were shot on color film (the "captured" German film helped a lot).
            With the onset of the Khrushchev thaw, more films were made (50-70 films a year) and had to be saved, the trophies ran out and the chemical industry could not satisfy the demand either in quantity or quality. The film was often lacking not only to print film copies, but also to shoot the pictures themselves.
            Films were also assigned the “rental category”, in accordance with which the number of color and b / w copies for rental in cinemas was determined.
            The factor of technical support for cinemas with projection equipment also played a role; widescreen cinemas were not enough even in relatively large cities
    3. sniperino 12 January 2020 10: 33 New
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      And how did you tighten the nuts later? Islamic dictatorship in one word.
      And don’t talk! We have almost the same thing: young and beautiful people cannot calmly get laid in the cabin. Dictatorship!
    4. gsev 13 January 2020 18: 41 New
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      In 60 years, young and beautiful people could easily kiss on the street,

      Friends said that in Iran, before the overthrow of Shah, sexual promiscuity was much higher than in Yeltsin’s worst days. They traveled to Iran for a commercial purpose and were able to find a zucchini with dancing and alcohol in the 2000s.
  9. Gardamir 12 January 2020 08: 46 New
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    Interestingly, all of a sudden they became for the Americans.
    not a specialist in military aviation, so please explain whether it is true that all civilian aircraft have transponders indicating that this aircraft is civilian.
    1. Spartanez300 12 January 2020 09: 06 New
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      A transponder is an abbreviation for the phrase “transmitter-responder,” or “transceiver.” In Russian, it is correctly called the "aircraft radar transponder." This is the name of a device in an airplane that automatically transmits information in response to a request from the ground. For tracking the airliner from the ground, Secondary surveillance radar, or SSR, is traditionally used, that is, one that, in response to a radar signal from the ground, transmits some information in response. An ordinary ground-based radar that monitors an aircraft by a radio signal reflected from it is able to track the distance to the liner and its speed, but at a great distance it is difficult for him to accurately determine the height. Secondary secondary radars - SSR Mode S - are capable of transmitting many parameters to the ground in response to a signal, including the most important one - altitude, as well as information about the aircraft and flight.
    2. Altona 12 January 2020 12: 41 New
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      is it true that all civilian aircraft have transponders indicating that this aircraft is civilian.

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      Of course it’s true, otherwise air defense will perceive an air object as a means of attack.
      1. Gardamir 12 January 2020 15: 00 New
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        Of course it's true
        Voooot! Again they say that the entrotransponder itself was turned off.
        1. would 12 January 2020 19: 05 New
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          So say not very smart people who do not understand what is at stake. There is such a service as Flightradar24 which allows you to monitor aircraft, information is taken from the data transmitted by the transponder. The plane was visible on Flightradar24, which means the transponder worked. Of course, it abruptly stopped working during a flight, most likely after a missile (or missiles) hit an airplane. There is a very small probability that for some very specific reasons the pilots turned it off shortly before the defeat, but there is no objective evidence of this. If anything, then the black boxes in any case will show everything.

          There should be another question. But did the commander who issued the order have the current schedule and flight routes of civil aviation? And if there was, then why did he turn to him well and not determine who was on his radar? And if not, then what is there to talk about?

          Separately, I note that the transponder itself is not a panacea, it is only part of a rather complex system. And if in this complex system a mess, then it will not help. This is perfectly shown by the Americans when they shot down an Iranian plane over the Persian Gulf from the Vincennes missile cruiser in 1988. The investigation proved that the reason for the mess, starting with bugs in the radar system, ending with the ship was not equipped to communicate with civilian aircraft, and the crew was not trained in this. For example, Americans from an ultra-modern cruiser 7 times tried to contact a civilian plane ... at military frequencies. And they did not have equipment for communication at the frequencies of civil aviation.
    3. Altona 12 January 2020 16: 43 New
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      Interestingly, all of a sudden they became for the Americans.

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      It is not customary among the bourgeois to excite against the strong. This is an axiom. Even if you don’t like that the lantern in the yard was installed incorrectly, it means that you are dissatisfied with the current government and you need to apply the widest measures of administrative influence. Is it really not visible? laughing laughing
  10. A hundred 12 January 2020 09: 56 New
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    Shiny-bloody operation of the Mossad and the CIA joint ..
    Now Iran will truly poison and bomb you at every opportunity ..
    Our Il in Syria also fraudulently, trying to pit Russia with Syria ....
    Hold on Iran, you will have serious problems .. In Israel, Oi Wei is already dancing ..
    1. rich 12 January 2020 10: 53 New
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      A hundred: Oi Wei is already dancing in Israel ..
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        One Hundred: Oh Wei is already dancing in Israel ..

        Yes, yes, that’s how Rich is))))
        Well, even nostalgia strangles them toad .. They had fun with us hehe
        1. rich 12 January 2020 12: 13 New
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          And so we dance. Olga Dolgikh. Rare talented girl
          1. A hundred 12 January 2020 12: 30 New
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            And so not everyone can

            Could in the days of the USSR .. All national costumes and dances knew
            Now we are turned into a mass and poisoned .. Oh, we were led .. on sausage and gum. Having painted, I wanted to live, and the country was ruined to the noise ..
            This is no longer shown to us on TV ... (some b ..)
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              And so not everyone can

              Could during the USSR ..


              Corporate "sliding step" of the ensemble "Birch."
              The “Western spectator” and the younger generation really think that the dance is performed on gyro scooters. lol

          2. The leader of the Redskins 12 January 2020 19: 02 New
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            It would be better in the performance of M. Zakharova inserted!))) Also a rare talent!))) laughing
    2. Altona 12 January 2020 16: 47 New
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      Shiny-bloody operation of the Mossad and the CIA joint ..

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      That's right, Vitaly! Current reality can lead you, a true and crystalline patriot, from the right path. Current they, no one else. And it doesn’t matter if they are Shionugs or simply by origin. Fool true patriots as they want. laughing laughing laughing
  11. megadeth 12 January 2020 10: 07 New
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    It was not necessary to provoke the Persians (as usual, it was not the wine ones who died, I’m sorry), the FSA was always on the sidelines, and again Russia (the Russian air defense system) and its poor military pensioners were to blame.
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      Quote: megadeth
      It was not necessary to provoke the Persians (as usual, it was not the wine ones who died, I’m sorry), the FSA was always on the sidelines, and again Russia (the Russian air defense system) and its poor military pensioners were to blame.


      The Persians were to blame for this tragedy, as they did not close their airspace for civilian aircraft (who prevented them from doing this?) And it was their air defense that shot down the aircraft, so Iran bears full responsibility. Of course, no one specially shot down the aircraft, but this does not shift the degree of responsibility to others.

      "press conference of the head of the KKSIR XIR Amir-Ali Hajizadeh:

      ... Hajizadeh said that on the night of the disaster, the armed forces were in a state of readiness for the start of a full-scale war with the United States after attacks on US military facilities in Iraq. Moreover, there was information about the launch of US cruise missiles on Iranian positions.

      The Iranian air defense operator independently decided to launch a missile on the plane, which he mistook for an enemy object, having failed to contact the command.

      “Either the jamming system worked, or the network was busy, but he could not communicate. He had the opportunity to make a decision within five seconds. Unfortunately, he made the wrong decision and launched a rocket on the target, ”Hajizade said.

      Hajizadeh repeated several times that the civil authorities, incl. aviation officials did not have information about this, and all responsibility rests with the armed forces and those who could not provide proper control over the situation (apparently, we are talking about the fact that flights were not prohibited).
      added that the Iranian military asked to stop air communication during a missile strike on US military bases in Iraq, but this requirement was not fulfilled.

      Hadjizade himself reported to the leadership that the aerospace forces allegedly shot down the plane as early as Wednesday morning, but the General Staff at that time forbade the disclosure of this information. "
  12. parusnik 12 January 2020 10: 15 New
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    If you have already led such an open policy in the investigation of a downed plane, then you should be proactive, pay compensation to the relatives of the victims, bring to justice, etc.
  13. Ros 56 12 January 2020 11: 08 New
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    The Iranians, of course, went wrong, but the diagnosis of Trupchinov has long been known - a clinical banderoid.
  14. prior 12 January 2020 11: 42 New
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    What losses did the US suffer as a result of the killing with the help of an Iranian general drone?
    Yes, almost none. They also impose economic sanctions on others.
    You should take advantage of their experience and start shooting the most odious Ukrainian Turchynov and other national patriots. Drone or "Caliber" - what's the difference. The Baltic states are in line ....
    Let them think when they open their mouths. The diagnosis is made, it is necessary to treat ....
    1. Snail N9 12 January 2020 11: 49 New
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      Shoot .... Minke whales and their sixes from the EU are just waiting for this to howl and yell at every corner about the "bloody gebnya" and "Moscow's red hand, blood elbow" and impose yet another "hellish sanctions".
      1. prior 12 January 2020 12: 05 New
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        Chegevara, Milosevic, Allende, Gaddafi, Hussein, now Suleymani .......... the work of crystal-honest knights from the CIA and their colleagues from other departments. And no one howls and no one yells.
        And you worry about the pastor, and the bloody one who unleashed fratricide in Ukraine.
        1. Snail N9 12 January 2020 12: 34 New
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          They do not howl and do not yell because of those killed by the CIA and other "Mossads" for a simple reason - all the world media and "international political tribunes" are controlled by the CIA and "Mossads" and they howl and yell only at their direction. Russia, on the other hand, owns nothing but RT on the "ideological front." But Russia safely bucks billions into yachts, mansions, and “hides-shoves” what remains of all sorts of “capsules” and at the same time tries to win something “on the ideological front”.
          1. prior 12 January 2020 12: 40 New
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            They will be forced to comment on the funeral of famous Russophobes with the help of their media.
            And the louder they shout, the more there will be those who want to jump out of the window of a skyscraper with a screech: "The Russians are coming."
            It suits me.
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        I think the snail will sing to them
    2. Nedokomsomolets 12 January 2020 12: 36 New
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      It is necessary to start with the shareholders of investment funds in whose interests coups take place. And all sorts of Turchinovs are pawns. I suggest not exchanging for them.
      1. Snail N9 12 January 2020 12: 44 New
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        That is true. Over in London regularly die for unknown or "usual" reasons, the oligarchs who escaped there. True, they are dying only in favor of London so far .....
  15. iouris 12 January 2020 12: 20 New
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    Quote: “The Voice of America” also quotes the words of President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky. The President spoke in favor of a full and open investigation and holding the perpetrators of the disaster accountable. ” The end of the quote.
    There is nothing to investigate. Iranian leaders have already surrendered in full. And, of course, after completing a political assignment, Ze focused on finances: he demanded money. Practice shows that we can talk about $ 500.000 .... 1.500.000 for each victim, plus the cost of the aircraft. At the same time, the Ze government has already announced the payment of $ 8.000 to the victims. These are two big differences!
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      In Russia, it is not customary to take care of its people. In Russia, it is customary for "friendly and good neighborly relations" to forgive billions of dollars to various Papuans, and to "their people" to increase their retirement age, increase taxes and other fiscal burdens.
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  18. Li17 12 January 2020 13: 51 New
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    One Hundred: Oh Wei is already dancing in Israel ..

    Yes, yes, that’s how Rich is))))
    Well, even nostalgia strangles them toad .. They had fun with us hehe

    Old man Hottabych is also from .....! And he has a beard to see a bank transponder!
  19. nikolaj1703 12 January 2020 13: 53 New
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    Everyone comments hiding behind pseudonyms. Straight sofa army of verbiage.
    1. The leader of the Redskins 12 January 2020 19: 06 New
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      And only you - a knight on a white horse with an open visor and a passport photo on the profile picture ...
  20. Yury Siritsky 12 January 2020 14: 11 New
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    Turchinov’s dilemma has long been a secret, so you should not pay attention to the flawed.
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    They simply cleverly switched the media from US pirates to Iran. What is the strength in, brother? in dollars brother and power! they can do everything that the United States does.
  22. Jack O'Neill 12 January 2020 15: 08 New
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    So who will be responsible for the killed passengers? Calculation of ZRS? Officers? Who's guilty?
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    As an officer, although of a different kind of troops (artilleryman), he communicated with air defense officers many times. Now on the topic: the civilian flight departing from the metropolitan (Metropolitan Karl) airport is operated by control services with real-time data transmission, to the operational air defense duty officer in the area of ​​responsibility. It is impossible to confuse something! It’s the same as if a plane taking off from Sheremetyevo is “accidentally” shot down over the outskirts of Moscow. Rave.
    Want conspiracy thesis, please. In Iran, already about 10 years, two tendencies (parties) in power are fighting. One with the installation of "hard" Islam as Ayatola Khomeini, the other as "secular" Islam a la Ataturk or Sadat. So, all that happened 100% lies in the pattern of this struggle. First, the states played a “soft” game by eliminating the opposite leader. Then the “liberal” (very conditionally) Iranians themselves put the IRGC under attack by knocking down the Ukrainian side. In this regard, I foresee stripping in the leadership of Iran, with a change of course to a more prone to compromise with the West. And remember my words, in the coming days there will be news that a particular officer who shot on a civilian side would allegedly commit suicide from an excess of conscience.
    PS. And for those who speculated on the topic of deaths, it’s possible to say everything about “ukrov” - a shame!
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      the officer who shot on the civilian side allegedly kills himself from an excess of conscience.

      Unlikely. In Islam, suicide and coercion to commit suicide is a great sin. In Iran they can severely punish the enemy, but like in the USSR under Stalin they do not kill for no reason.
  24. RoTTor 13 January 2020 02: 58 New
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    IRAN SAVED FACE AND ... MONEY

    https://www.facebook.com/Transpress_viczel-178637738821455
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    Shot down and done right! Well, rest in peace to the victims, but Iran did not start it!