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“The transponder instantly disconnected”: Investigation data appeared on a missile entering a Ukrainian plane

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The first details of the work of the commission of inquiry in Iran, which includes Ukrainian representatives, appeared. This is an investigation into what happened to the board of Ukraine International Airlines, which crashed some time after takeoff - near Tehran.

Today, the Iranian side acknowledged its responsibility for striking, noting that there was an accident "provoked by US actions in the region."

According to the investigation team, which studies fragments of the design of the airliner, an anti-aircraft missile exploded directly under the front of the Boeing-737 fuselage. It is alleged that the rocket hit the bottom of the liner - under the cockpit. This hit led to the fact that the cabin was engulfed in flames, the on-board electronics (and navigation and communication systems) immediately turned off.

From the materials of the commission:

Instantly disconnected the transponder of a passenger airliner. Flight signals ceased to arrive at the control center of Tehran Airport.

Before the rocket rupture, a standard radio was exchanged between the Tehran-Kiev board and the dispatcher. Up to an altitude of about 2,4 km, it was alleged that normal communication took place; the crew did not transmit any danger messages. The dispatcher did not warn the aircraft commander about the danger.

When preliminary laying out fragments of the Boeing, it turned out that the lower part of the cockpit was almost completely absent. The detected small fragments show (as members of the investigation team say) traces of the damaging elements of the anti-aircraft missile.

It is noteworthy that statements that the Ukrainian board changed course no longer sounds.
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  1. GKS 2111
    GKS 2111 11 January 2020 16: 06
    +34
    Today, the Iranian side acknowledged its responsibility for striking, noting that there was an accident, "Provoked by US actions in the region."
    That’s all, and I’ve read conspiracy theories here these days. I just had to wait a bit.
    It is noteworthy that statements that the Ukrainian board changed course no longer sounds.
    1. Jack O'Neill
      Jack O'Neill 11 January 2020 16: 29
      +15
      It is noteworthy that statements that the Ukrainian board changed course no longer sounds.


      Because he did not turn anywhere.
      1. private person
        private person 11 January 2020 16: 34
        +24
        Aw, where are the all-knowing VO generals who shouted in chorus that this could not be.
        1. Observer2014
          Observer2014 11 January 2020 16: 45
          +13
          Quote: private person
          Aw, where are the all-knowing VO generals who shouted in chorus that this could not be.

          Likes are molded by the crowd. What else should they do. laughing Who is worth clearly showed this crisis. And in articles about this, their "brilliant" comments negative
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 11 January 2020 19: 52
            +23
            Hmm ...
            If there was an operation of special services (Iranian, or some other), then they would put a bomb on the plane.
            And then they would nod to the terrorists.
            Anti-aircraft missile - seems to be a really random launch. The air defense worked in paranoid mode, awaiting a US attack.
            PS
            I wonder how quickly they forget first expert findings USA and Canada that "there was no external influence." This was the phrase that was in the media the next day.
            1. DMB_95
              DMB_95 11 January 2020 20: 12
              +22
              Quote: Shurik70

              PS
              I wonder how quickly they forget first expert findings USA and Canada that "there was no external influence." This was the phrase that was in the media the next day.

              It’s much more interesting how quickly they forget how it all began - the assassination of Iranian General Suleimani by order of the President of the United States. Already, the media noticeably more reports of the downed Boeing.
              1. Shurik70
                Shurik70 11 January 2020 20: 13
                +17
                Yes, they already forgot about the general. At least the media have forgotten.
                Although there are two interesting consequences.
                1) Iran officially recognizes the US Army as a terrorist organization.
                2) 80 million per trump head are waiting for their owner
                1. KrokodilGena
                  KrokodilGena 12 January 2020 04: 07
                  -8
                  Quote: Shurik70
                  Although there are two interesting consequences.
                  1) Iran officially recognizes the US Army as a terrorist organization.

                  And Iran also calls Israel "little Satan", and the United States "big Satan", who cares at all, what did the surviving bearded grandfathers say out of their minds?

                  Quote: Shurik70
                  80 million for the head of trump are waiting for their owner

                  80 myo ?? For the murder, or the capture of the President of the United States?)) In the first 80mio not even come close, and in the second, what will it change? In the United States, they will choose a new one, if the tsar’s fails in some authoritarian country, the whole system usually collapses, since everything, usually for decades, was spinning on it.
                2. Rusfaner
                  Rusfaner 12 January 2020 13: 33
                  -1
                  "80 million for Trump's head are waiting for their owner" (c)
                  I wonder how they calculated the cost of the head? Why not 70 or 100 "lyamas"?
                  1. Gunxnumx
                    Gunxnumx 14 January 2020 06: 05
                    0
                    I read somewhere that the inhabitants of Iran will be thrown off for 1 dollar. Such is crowdfunding.
            2. sedoj
              sedoj 12 January 2020 13: 18
              0
              If there was an operation of special services (Iranian, or some other), then they would put a bomb on the plane.

              This hit led to the fact that the cabin was engulfed in flames, the on-board electronics (and navigation and communication systems) immediately turned off.

              If an anti-aircraft missile has only damaging elements, then where did the flame come from? Malaysian Boeing, after hitting such a rocket did not burn. And then - why burn in the cabin if there is no fuel.
              1. Shurik70
                Shurik70 12 January 2020 13: 26
                +1
                Quote: sedoj
                Malaysian Boeing, after hitting such a rocket did not burn. And then - why burn in the cabin if there is no fuel.

                Depends where you hit.
                If all the "buckshot" hit the cockpit and got stuck there, then there is nothing to burn.
                Once it burned, it also hit the engine or fuel tanks. Through the cockpit or by separate "buckshot"
        2. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 11 January 2020 16: 57
          +46
          Normal, all-knowing generals said that you should first wait for an investigation.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 11 January 2020 17: 11
            +11
            Quote: Lord of the Sith
            they said it was worth waiting for an investigation first

            That's it! THE CONSEQUENCE WILL BE UNDERSTANDED.
            By the way, who was more in the know for a long time, a big and bold question was posed on the effectiveness, or even competence, of any air defense, any state there.
            Now another tragic incident has presented itself!
            By the way, the generals who expressed such a point of view were “put in a corner” and for a long time.
            1. Rhino
              Rhino 12 January 2020 01: 51
              +14
              Well, the United States, in my opinion, in 1987 shot down the Iranian Airbus (cruiser of Ticonderoga) over the Persian Gulf and didn’t seem to even apologize, and Ukraine shot down our liner in 2001.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 12 January 2020 09: 34
                +1
                There is a confrontation, military, political, states, systems, there will be casual, tragic victims, from any side.
                Measures to prevent this are being taken, but at the time of the peak confrontation, military psychosis, anything can happen .... it happens!
                1. DRM
                  DRM 12 January 2020 23: 55
                  +2
                  Quote: rocket757
                  There is a confrontation, military, political, states, systems, there will be casual, tragic victims, from any side.
                  Measures to prevent this are being taken, but at the time of the peak confrontation, military psychosis, anything can happen .... it happens!

                  As an officer, albeit a different kind of troops (artilleryman), he communicated with air defense-shniki many times. Now on the topic: a civilian aircraft that departed from the capital (Capital Karl) airport is controlled by control services with real-time data transmission, to the air defense operational duty officer in the area of ​​responsibility. To confuse something Impossible! It's like a plane that took off from Sheremetyevo will be "accidentally" shot down over the outskirts of Moscow. Rave.
                  Would you like conspiracy theories, please. In Iran for 10 years already, two tendencies (parties) in power are fighting. One with the installation on "hard" Islam like Ayatola Khomeini, the other according to the type of "secular" Islam a la Ataturk or Sadat. So, everything that happened 100% falls on the pattern of this struggle. At first, the states played along with the "soft" party by eliminating the leader of the opposite one. Then the "liberal" (very tentatively) Iranians themselves put the IRGC in jeopardy by shooting down the Ukrainian side. In this regard, I foresee a clean-up in the Iranian leadership, with a change of course towards a more inclined to compromise with the West. And mark my words, in the coming days there will be news that a specific officer who fired on a civilian board would allegedly commit suicide from an excess of conscience.
                  PS. And to those who speculated on the topic of the death of people, like about "ukrov" everything can be said - shame!
                  1. YOUR
                    YOUR 13 January 2020 03: 09
                    +2
                    Quote: DRM
                    the civilian flight departing from the capital (Karl Metropolitan) airport is operated by control services with real-time data transmission

                    You are mistaken. Civilian airborne control services mainly control only approaching aircraft, those that are landing, as well as dispatchers control the airspace so that there is no intersection of courses, accidental collisions. The rest of the control of the military lies with the military. There are some troops that are forgotten when discussing air defense - RTV. So they control VO.
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 13 January 2020 05: 10
                      0
                      When everything is calm, mistakes happen too. When everything is at the limit, when "fear / psycho" rules, anything can happen. A tragic accident provoked by war psychosis.
                      CONSEQUENCE TO UNDERSTAND.
                      1. YOUR
                        YOUR 13 January 2020 10: 00
                        +1
                        There is something to be surprised about. For example, why military equipment was included. The motor resource is not endless. The rocket cannot be launched immediately, a few seconds will pass until the gyroscopes spin. There is even such a command - Put rockets for preparation, and which ones. And periodically they are removed from preparation if there is no start command. A couple of dozen settings for preparation and repair. And here the air defense system is ready to fire, i.e. calculations on the ground, equipment is on, radar is searching. Add that the SAMs themselves rarely do this, there are radars to control the AO. The Kupol radar station operates in conjunction with this air defense system. The information goes to the ACS "Ranzhir" and after these funds are sent to the executor - the SAM. Those. in the field, the calculation of not one air defense system, but at least the entire battery. SAM almost instantly detects the target and opens fire. Somehow everything is strange, at the training ground and even more difficult.
                        Everything speaks for the fact that the situation was very tense, the Iranians at any second were waiting for the strike with cruise missiles and the attack of military aircraft.
                      2. rocket757
                        rocket757 13 January 2020 10: 06
                        +1
                        Quote: YOUR
                        There is something to be surprised. For example, why military equipment was included.

                        Increased combat readiness, according to the situation, according to objective circumstances.
                        Quote: YOUR
                        Everything speaks for the fact that the situation was very tense, the Iranians at any second were waiting for the strike with cruise missiles and the attack of military aircraft.

                        So what's the question then? After all, you correctly pointed out, tense situation, full combat readiness .... ??? Rujo is loaded, the finger is on the "trigger" ... and that's it!
                      3. Vlad.by
                        Vlad.by 13 January 2020 12: 26
                        0
                        Quote: YOUR
                        There is something to be surprised about. For example, why military equipment was included. The motor resource is not endless. The rocket cannot be launched immediately, a few seconds will pass until the gyroscopes spin. There is even such a command - Put rockets for preparation, and which ones. And periodically they are removed from preparation if there is no start command. A couple of dozen settings for preparation and repair. And here the air defense system is ready to fire, i.e. calculations on the ground, equipment is on, radar is searching. Add that the SAMs themselves rarely do this, there are radars to control the AO. The Kupol radar station operates in conjunction with this air defense system. The information goes to the ACS "Ranzhir" and after these funds are sent to the executor - the SAM. Those. in the field, the calculation of not one air defense system, but at least the entire battery. SAM almost instantly detects the target and opens fire. Somehow everything is strange, at the training ground and even more difficult.
                        Everything speaks for the fact that the situation was very tense, the Iranians at any second were waiting for the strike with cruise missiles and the attack of military aircraft.


                        You are right, there are more and more facts that you were looking for and pointing to another object.
                        The same drone.
                        It turned out to be easier for the Persians to admit an unintentional mistake than the fact that the air defense allowed the UAV deep into the territory and could not destroy it.
                        I hope this will serve as an occasion to close low-altitude holes in the air defense around the perimeter.
                        No wonder that there was talk of a desire to acquire the Triumphs, together with the Carapace. And there and in addition they will buy Thors, and not only.
                      4. shinobi
                        shinobi 13 January 2020 12: 31
                        0
                        On modern rockets there are optical gyroscopes, they do not need time to "spin up" since there are no moving parts. On what principle such weights work. I have not the slightest idea. I just heard out of the corner of my ear just there on the offset of the signal from the laser in the fiber, like that tied.
                      5. YOUR
                        YOUR 13 January 2020 12: 52
                        0
                        For the first time I hear that such gyroscopes are placed on missiles. They put powder boosters. A small powder charge is ignited simultaneously with the start signal, a jet of gas quickly spins the gyroscope turbines. But not too common.
                        The technique does not stand still when I quit about optical gyroscopes were out of the question. It is possible that something has changed. But the Iranians certainly do not. They have a technique from the past.
                      6. shinobi
                        shinobi 15 January 2020 01: 16
                        +1
                        I rummaged through my father’s archives, the first reports on optical gyroscopes appeared in the mid 80s. Cutouts from TMs of that period. It just corresponds to a sharp increase in maneuvering speeds of anti-aircraft missiles. No matter how strong a mechanical gyroscope is, sharp overloads of direction change (from above 20) can not stand it. Judging by the photo, the optical gears themselves are the size of a throttle from a fluorescent lamp.
                      7. YOUR
                        YOUR 15 January 2020 03: 18
                        +1
                        Almost 30 years in ZRV. I have never heard of optical gyroscopes and hearing. There were none of them. It is possible to put on the S-300, but this is after
                      8. shinobi
                        shinobi 15 January 2020 04: 13
                        0
                        This is, as it were, the 300s on alert since the 79th year.
                      9. YOUR
                        YOUR 15 January 2020 12: 21
                        +1
                        This is how I know.
                        ...... It is quite possible to put on the S-300, but this is after ......
                        Mean missiles of the latest generation
                      10. shinobi
                        shinobi 17 January 2020 10: 41
                        0
                        The principle on which optical gears operate has been known since 1913. The first laser diode was made in 1962, fiber and even earlier in 1954. Optical gears began, like fiber-optic systems in general, their rapid spread from the beginning of the 70s. What confuses you so much? And why didn’t you know something? And yes, on the radar, command computers for calculating air defense systems, and the backlight radar, mechanical gyroscopes are used as more accurate. In small devices that are disposable or do not require very high (millimeter) accuracy, optical ones are used. By the way, all we carry these with us since the mid 90s. Cell phones with positioning system.
                  2. rocket757
                    rocket757 13 January 2020 05: 16
                    0
                    Those who speculate on the tragedy ... God will judge them, although I would have sent a lay judge to the judge, Schaub was not in the habit.
                    I don’t have to ask anyone .... ERRORS HAPPEN. Different, for various reasons.
                    We will leave conspirology to the structure of the OBS; we will wait for the conclusions of the CONSEQUENCES.
              2. volodimer
                volodimer 12 January 2020 19: 45
                +3
                the Americans then said that the reason was the psychological state of the Vincennes team, which was operating in a combat situation under great pressure ... 1988, by the way their ship was in the territorial waters of Iran.
                And their helicopter was just fired from Iranian motorboats ...
                I think the Iranian zvoshnikov stress was worse, which of course does not justify, but if highly professional lol American sailors make such mistakes, what to take from the Iranians.
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 13 January 2020 05: 03
                  +1
                  Cynical, but honestly - I put on a mess and military psychosis!
        3. Spartan_117
          Spartan_117 11 January 2020 16: 58
          -11
          The minuses are put and new conspiracy theories are built.
        4. arhPavel
          arhPavel 11 January 2020 18: 13
          +10
          Recognition may be due to various reasons.
          Look at the Ukrainian partners, shelling Donbas which year in a row and do not recognize anything.
          And then they shot down an airplane, (is it possible to mix up a rocket and an airplane at all?) They took a box.
          And then all of a sudden they recognized it.
          Apparently we don’t know much, countries communicate not only through the press.
          1. Uran53
            Uran53 11 January 2020 23: 16
            +5
            In general, in all the events of the last days there is some kind of strong residue of understatement. It is clear that the main "game" is going on behind the scenes, and we, as spectators in the theater, see only the results of certain events. I think that we need to wait a bit, and then we will find out who the "beneficiary" of this action is.
          2. lopvlad
            lopvlad 12 January 2020 04: 11
            +2
            Quote: arhPavel
            And then all of a sudden they recognized it.


            studied the data of their radars, "black boxes" and on the basis of what was studied made a final conclusion. Note that all these days they did not hide the data, but provided the experts of the NATO member countries for study, which is clearly unfriendly to Iran.
        5. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 11 January 2020 18: 43
          +2
          Quote: private person
          Aw, where are the all-knowing VO generals who shouted in chorus that this could not be.

          The strange coincidence in the preliminary "general" examinations and the stubborn silence after the official statement is explained only by Boeing's belonging ...
          I didn’t speak out, because more than once I tried to ignore the facts ... I was tired of this “leak”.
        6. Deck
          Deck 11 January 2020 19: 33
          +4
          Aw, where are the all-knowing VO generals who shouted in chorus that this could not be.


          Everything was so good and convincing, but the Iranians today ruined everything! laughing
          1. Andrey Sukharev
            Andrey Sukharev 11 January 2020 20: 08
            +11
            Yesterday, on the site of one YouTube activist, I read so many irrefutable versions, mainly from the inhabitants of the most independent country in the world: it was Putin who personally shot down the liner with a beech when flying to Syria, it was the Russian Buki who arrived in Iran and out of habit drove the ukroliner, then in the same spirit. I had fun from the heart. And here on the site it was full of such ...
        7. YOUR
          YOUR 12 January 2020 03: 10
          +3
          I wrote that this cannot be.
          It cannot during the flight the transponder shuts off instantly. This is a standalone device with its own battery. It should not even turn off on the ground, it gives a signal. If the engines stopped, then on each aircraft of this class there is an air turbine that will supply energy to the most important devices of the aircraft, making it possible to restart the engines, or at least somehow provide control of the aircraft, not allowing it to fall randomly.
          The transponder in automatic mode gives an answer to the radar signal - we will call it a civilian plane. In manual mode, the plane may be captured. In the event that the onboard energy disappears in automatic mode, it will give a signal - Trouble (accident).
          Could shut off after the plane hits the ground.
          According to the information that there was a shelling of an air defense missile defense aircraft it seemed implausible.
          1. Antropos
            Antropos 12 January 2020 14: 35
            +2
            Is it possible to turn off the transponder remotely? No one can yet say what happened first: defeat and then shutdown, or vice versa. The investigation is not yet completed. An accidental, unintentional launch on a target with a double mark going along a corridor drawn by a marker on the IKO is practically impossible. Although it is possible to participate dough. This scheme is familiar to zapadentsev. Buying a crew is even easier than Iraqi generals in 2001.
  2. Pedrodepackes
    Pedrodepackes 11 January 2020 16: 09
    +1
    It is noteworthy that statements that the Ukrainian board changed course no longer sounds.
    Of course
    When preliminary laying out fragments of the Boeing, it turned out that the lower part of the cockpit was almost completely absent.
    who was there to steer?
  3. bouncyhunter
    bouncyhunter 11 January 2020 16: 09
    +9
    It is noteworthy that statements that the Ukrainian board changed course no longer sounds

    Strangeness is present ...
    A muddy story with muddy water ... Conclusions? We will see ...
    1. Aleksandr21
      Aleksandr21 11 January 2020 16: 27
      +17
      Quote: bouncyhunter
      Strangeness is present ...
      A muddy story with muddy water ...


      And what is the strangeness that is present? In my opinion, the picture is quite clear, especially since the board did not change course and the transponder worked until a rocket flew into the cockpit. And the fact that the air defense opened fire, nerves ... a mistake, in any case, there are no questions for the plane and crew.
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 11 January 2020 16: 59
        +8
        Quote: Aleksandr21
        no questions for the plane and crew

        There are questions both to Iran, which recognized the fact that the Boeing was shot down, and to those who forced it to do so.
        Quote: Bender Ostap
        The Iranians have a complete mess

        Have you been there to judge like that ??? stop
        1. Aleksandr21
          Aleksandr21 11 January 2020 17: 08
          +8
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          There are questions both to Iran, which recognized the fact that the Boeing was shot down, and to those who forced it to do so.


          Well, what could Iran do? If you look objectively. The Iranians themselves could not decrypt the black boxes, and something to fake / fix there is not possible for them. Also, Iran has already invited other countries to investigate and the conclusions of their understandable case will not be on the side of the Iranian side. In addition, all the same, getting the rocket into the plane can not be hidden, the experts had to study fragments from the Boeing .... so I can not imagine how to hide it. It seems that the top leadership of Iran was already taking a long time but could not come up with anything of the way. And regarding the fact that Iran has forced someone to do this, I don’t know. Sanctions and so on are on Iran, and if you need new slap on the plane then nothing at all depends.
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          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 11 January 2020 17: 55
            +4
            According to Iran, the calculation of air defense took Boeing for a cruise missile. How do you confuse Boeing with Tomogavk?
          2. Liam
            Liam 11 January 2020 17: 59
            -1
            Quote: Steffan
            Is the airliner that flies at an altitude of 2,4 km from the airport in a set confused with the B52?

            Boeing was at an altitude of 1,5 km above the ground
        3. shahor
          shahor 11 January 2020 17: 27
          +13
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          Have you been there to judge like that ???

          And there is no need to be there. Judge for yourself. The Iranians say they put the air defense system on alert in anticipation of an attack and the situation was nervous and tense. Question: But in the conditions of a nervous and tense situation, with the strained air defense of Iran, the aviation authorities of Iran should not have closed the airport for flight? Not closed. And then, a demonstration of how air traffic should not be organized. What, in Iran, there is no coordination between civilian and military airspace control services? The military have no idea who takes off a few kilometers from them? And where are the international corridors over Iran-- is it a mystery to them? And when they found an object flying on the radar, flying at an altitude of 2 km and moving away from Tehran, did they try to identify it? ... Questions can be asked for a long time, I hope the investigation will give objective assessments of the actions of the military and civil authorities of Iran. So far, in my amateurish opinion, the face is unprofessionalism and poor organization of the work of the military and air regulator of Iran.
          1. Evil Booth
            Evil Booth 11 January 2020 17: 47
            +3
            but there is a banal logic of what is so lacking not only for everyone.
          2. vfwfr
            vfwfr 11 January 2020 22: 23
            -1
            Well, somehow on the Internet, it sounded like, the plane took off with a delay of 30 minutes, and the sky closed just 30 minutes before departure .. Well, who is the deer? (I'm talking about air defense). So much for the tragedy.
            Remind you of the Korean Boeing in the USSR .. how much time it took to make a decision through Moscow ... People are generally the same everywhere.
      2. sabakina
        sabakina 11 January 2020 17: 02
        +3
        Quote: Aleksandr21
        And what is the strangeness present? In my opinion, the picture is quite clear, especially since the board did not change course and the transponder worked until a rocket flew into the cockpit.

        What is the oddity?
        The defeat of the target was carried out by numerous fragments of the warhead.
        https://topwar.ru/74611-zenitnye-raketnye-kompleksy-semeystva-tor.html
        Well, where did the bottom of the cockpit go?
        1. Aleksandr21
          Aleksandr21 11 January 2020 17: 13
          -3
          Quote: sabakina
          Well, where did the bottom of the cockpit go?


          After getting a rocket? It is necessary to ask the Iranian side. In general, what do you see here as a contradiction? Actually, the Iranians confessed everything, and there were no dark spots here. If you have a different version, it will be very interesting to hear it.
        2. beeper
          beeper 11 January 2020 18: 06
          +8
          Well, where did the bottom of the cockpit go?

          Well, the blow was the strongest, at speed, with a "slip", about rocky ground!
          Moreover, twice, with a "jump" upward of a massive fragile aircraft after the first hit on the ground!
          It is similar to how on a coarse sandpaper with a thin sheet of writing paper "rustle" with acceleration - there will be only the smallest dust (and if the duralumin sheathing was already melted by a fire, then from a terrible blow on a solid barrier, it instantly "sprayed" into small drops, not amenable to collection and "laying out"!) at the points of contact!
          So this "decrease" of the bottom of the cockpit already from hitting the ground, and not from the missile's fragmentation warhead, which is designed in such a way that a priori detonation occurs at some distance from the target! request
        3. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
          Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 11 January 2020 18: 12
          +6
          You try to encounter stony soil at a speed of 550 km / h - you will immediately understand where the cockpit disappeared.

          https://t.me/PS752/39
      3. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 11 January 2020 17: 05
        +1
        Quote: Aleksandr21
        in any case, there are no questions to the plane and crew.

        And as always completely strangers suffered ...
    2. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 11 January 2020 17: 04
      +16
      Acquaintances dealing with air defense said for a long time that by accident the civilian aircraft could not be worked out, since it was shown as "our own", that something was clearly nagged with this Boeing.
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 11 January 2020 17: 07
        +13
        Quote: Incvizitor
        something is clearly tricked with this Boeing

        Therefore, I say that everything in this story is muddy ...
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 11 January 2020 19: 40
          +13
          hi in fact, if you do not take into account the background of what is happening, then the open question is who and how made the decision to apply. Already discussed today - if standard, then it was a constant position of the air defense system, so before that everything was going as it should, well, not everyone was just lucky. Standard exit circuits pass by. One subtle question: did the air defense have information about the civilian? Must have been; but he was delayed - they had to reactivate the flight plan and generate a new time, which was supposed to enter the air defense. When air defense has civilian flight plans, they relate to these marks in a different way - as always. Why didn’t everything go according to the standard - this is what the investigation will do now. For me, half the moral responsibility on the striped, they inflated the situation.
          1. Svarog51
            Svarog51 11 January 2020 19: 56
            +7
            Tramp hi Enlighten how the relationship is organized between the military and civil? Are the communication channels organized by air or cable? How to slow down the broadcast, I imagine, there will be difficulties with the cable. Solve my question if in the know?
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 11 January 2020 21: 32
              +3
              Welcome hi . We need to look at how the control system is generally organized; the construction of these systems is quite individual. Previously, everything was done hand-to-hand well, and according to technical capabilities. If completely simplified, then modern control systems process data from available sensors: primary radars / military /, secondary - civilian, compare all this with information about existing flight plans and display a picture with data. Data can be transmitted in different ways, depending on the situation and budget. Accordingly, at some level a decision is made and the information is distributed, let’s say so to users. Separate systems are autonomous within their areas of responsibility - there will be no information from above, everything will fall on its commander. A particular commander has a sufficient degree of freedom to make a decision. This is greatly simplified.
              If we only assume that due to the delay in departure there was no reliable information about the departure of the civilian, although there should have been any information, considering the short distances, the time limit, as always the untimely lack of communication and the general situation, we have what happened.
              Honestly - scary. An exit scheme takes place there and people constantly rushed about while it happened. And such places - darkness is dark
              1. Svarog51
                Svarog51 11 January 2020 21: 44
                +6
                M-dya. No more questions. hi With this approach to organizing flights - no, I'd rather stay at home. It does not entail somehow being a bargaining chip in someone else’s swara. Did the ship commander know about the situation? And could he refuse to fly?
                1. Pete mitchell
                  Pete mitchell 11 January 2020 22: 11
                  +4
                  Quote: Svarog51
                  did the ship commander know the situation? And could he refuse to fly?

                  These decisions are usually on the company. He could refuse, and would be praised, but not forgotten.
                  Our capitalists simply scored everything east of Cyprus, well, gloriously ...
              2. Pete mitchell
                Pete mitchell 11 January 2020 23: 23
                +3
                Serge, continued
                Quote: Pete Mitchell
                Considering the small distances, the time limit, as always the untimely lack of communication and the general situation, we have what happened.

                Well, something like this: According to the commander, the operator lost contact with the command, so he made the decision to launch on his own. He had a few seconds to do this, told Hajizadeh and admitted that he “made a bad choice”
                1. Liam
                  Liam 11 January 2020 23: 34
                  -1
                  Quote: Pete Mitchell
                  According to the commander, the operator lost contact with the command, so he made the decision to launch on his own

                  Only very very distrustful people can believe this bike about the interrupted communication of the Iranian military leader. Iranian air defense was waiting for the response from the United States to arrive, so permission to launch from the command was not required and was given to the field commanders at the mercy. This is a TOR installation with a radius of 15 km . In how many seconds does the KR fly such a distance? What are the calls to the command for permission? As long as you get through to the KR, the SAM itself will demolish or fly out of reach if the target is different
          2. Tatyana
            Tatyana 11 January 2020 20: 07
            0
            Quote: Pete Mitchell
            Why didn’t everything go according to the standard - this is what the investigation will do now. For me, half the moral responsibility on the striped, they inflated the situation.

            What the Americans - Trump with Bolton and with Netanyahu - wanted in the BV in relation to Iran, what they achieved! To escalate the international situation and justify the continuation of our own military presence there!

            In addition, for some reason I do not really believe the experts from Ukraine, who almost always sin with their political bias in favor of the United States. Namely.

            For example, I have a question Why did eyewitnesses of the accident say that the entire fuselage of the airliner was engulfed in flames in the air if the rocket hit only the cockpit and not the engines?
            At the same time, Iran initially stated that there were no missile launches on its part!
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 11 January 2020 21: 06
              +5
              Quote: Tatiana
              Initially, Iran stated that there were no missile launches on its part!
              it is already in the plane of decision making, control and responsibility
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 11 January 2020 22: 28
                +4
                Quote: Pete Mitchell
                Quote: Tatiana
                Initially, Iran stated that there were no missile launches on its part!
                it is already in the plane of decision making, control and responsibility

                It is noteworthy that the IRGC asked the Iranian leadership to "close the sky." But for some reason, the country's leadership recklessly (!) Did not listen to the request of the IRGC.
                Question. Why?

                Therefore - regardless of the nature of the Ayatollah regime itself - this fact should be seen as a weakening of the influence of the IRGC on the leadership of Iran after the death of Suleimani.

                It should not be forgotten that after Ayatollah Khomeini came to power, the internal opposition was suppressed in the country and went underground.
                Now the intelligence services of the USA and Israel - the CIA and Mossad - are entering the dormant cells of the anti-Iranian opposition in Iran with the goal of destabilizing it in every way. And from this fact, it would not be superfluous to expect such terrorist provocations. Moreover, the same Ukraine is in the wake of US policy and secretly trades weapons with the anti-Iranian opposition in Iran.
            2. indy424
              indy424 11 January 2020 21: 33
              -3
              lol. it’s even strange that Israel has not been called guilty so far. how well you live in the world of conspiracies.
            3. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 11 January 2020 21: 38
              +7
              Quote: Tatiana
              eyewitnesses to the crash said that the entire fuselage of the liner was engulfed in flames in the air if the rocket hit only the cockpit

              As an option, when the warhead worked, I don’t know what kind of shrapnel or rods it was there, damaged the tanks, and they were clearly full ...
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 11 January 2020 21: 44
                +4
                Quote: Pete Mitchell
                As an option, when the warhead worked, I don’t know what kind of shrapnel or rods it was there, damaged the tanks, and they were clearly full ...

                As for the full tanks, I agree with you. I also immediately noticed the full tanks.
                And the rest - about the type of warhead, if it was a rocket - the question still remains. And while the response to it by the plane crash investigation commission has not been announced.
                1. Pete mitchell
                  Pete mitchell 11 January 2020 21: 47
                  +3
                  Madame, silly question: do you have a clear definition missile hit?. I'm without banter, old-fashioned: war is not a woman’s business
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 11 January 2020 21: 51
                    +3
                    Quote: Pete Mitchell
                    war is not a female affair

                    I agree with you - war is not a woman’s business!
                    Only in the war, people die, and women give birth to men! Women do not want people to die in the war - neither military nor civilian! Therefore, women intervene in military strategy, tactics and public policy.
                    1. Pete mitchell
                      Pete mitchell 11 January 2020 22: 08
                      +1
                      Life is such a thing to say
                    2. vfwfr
                      vfwfr 11 January 2020 22: 34
                      +2
                      Yes, I see ... To look at Europe ... Baba's Defense Ministers (sorry), as soon as something happens, the soldiers themselves need to be protected .. As for "our" well, actually, too .. God forbid!
                    3. vfwfr
                      vfwfr 11 January 2020 22: 36
                      +1
                      “That is why women interfere in military strategy, tactics and state policy.” “I don’t know myself, I don’t know how, I don’t understand .. but I will teach others how it should be.
                      But in fact, you (conditionally), do not intervene, but climb there because of selfish interest ..
          3. cherkas.oe
            cherkas.oe 11 January 2020 21: 53
            0
            Quote: Pete Mitchell
            One subtle question: did the air defense have information about the civilian? Must have been; but he was delayed - they had to reactivate the flight plan and generate a new time, which was supposed to enter the air defense. When air defense has civilian flight plans, they relate to these marks in a different way - as always. Why didn’t everything go according to the standard - this is what the investigation will do now

            This fact worries me most of all in this story and pushes me to a conspiracy version of the provocation, remember in the film ".. Vasily Ivanovich changes his profession": - "The shpak has a tape recorder, the ambassador has a medallion." First, the flight was delayed, then no one informed anyone about it. Why does the air defense of a protected object have no online information about the air situation in the airport area? There are two options, or a mess, or specially made
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 11 January 2020 22: 06
              +4
              Quote: cherkas.oe
              Why does the air defense of the guarded facility have no online information about the air situation in the airport area? There are two options, or a mess, or specially made

              This is a question for the investigation, have to wait
            2. vfwfr
              vfwfr 11 January 2020 22: 38
              -2
              And is everything all right with us ?? and if .. Do not judge someone else’s monastery;)
        2. 1970mk
          1970mk 11 January 2020 22: 22
          -1
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          Therefore, I say that everything in this story is muddy ..

          Yeah ... "dull" in your head .... Iranians say Shot down - the human factor ....
          What is "Mudno" to you?
      2. ximkim
        ximkim 11 January 2020 18: 07
        +11
        Quote: Incvizitor
        Acquaintances dealing with air defense said for a long time that by accident the civilian aircraft could not be worked out, since it was shown as "our own", that something was clearly nagged with this Boeing.

        Maybe ... Yes, and all the intelligence services in the world followed this Boeing. Just like the hot news was waiting ..
  4. Thrifty
    Thrifty 11 January 2020 16: 09
    -5
    The main thing is that the Iranians honestly admitted their guilt!
    1. valeryb
      valeryb 11 January 2020 16: 19
      +12
      Quote: Thrifty
      The main thing is that the Iranians honestly admitted their guilt!
      I used to say
      Quote: Thrifty
      that the guilty will be "appointed" by the Iranians, and us at the same time!
      1. Muvka
        Muvka 11 January 2020 16: 39
        +5
        And what are the contradictions? There was no information. Now appeared.
        1. valeryb
          valeryb 11 January 2020 16: 56
          0
          Quote: Muvka
          And what are the contradictions? There was no information. Now appeared.
          Do you have it now? What honestly recognized? They throw their nonsense into the air, and no one is responsible for the bazaar.
    2. Spartan_117
      Spartan_117 11 January 2020 17: 01
      +2
      Give them another medal.
      1. user1212
        user1212 11 January 2020 17: 51
        +13
        Quote: Spartan_117
        Give them another medal.

        By the way, the Americans did just that, filling up the Iranian A300. Vincennes Cruiser Commander Awarded Order
    3. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 11 January 2020 17: 04
      +7
      The main thing is that the Iranians honestly admitted their guilt!

      I am sure that they found out right away, but denied the first days, they thought how to hide the incident. When the direct evidence appeared, they confessed.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 11 January 2020 23: 20
        +2
        In most countries of the world, management would do the same.
  5. knn54
    knn54 11 January 2020 16: 16
    0
    But how many all the same missiles, one or two?
    1. Genry
      Genry 11 January 2020 16: 36
      -10
      Quote: knn54
      But how many all the same missiles, one or two?

      According to the laws of the comedy genre:
    2. Doliva63
      Doliva63 11 January 2020 16: 52
      +7
      Quote: knn54
      But how many all the same missiles, one or two?

      According to the laws of the genre, since they took for the enemy, there must be at least 2. Let's see what they say.
  6. paul3390
    paul3390 11 January 2020 16: 19
    +14
    Yeah - that means the transponder worked. How, then, did the Iranians manage to make fun of him? Just like that, from the nerves? On the passenger plane in all respects? Although - the Americans once in a similar situation, too, the Iranian passenger failed ...
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 11 January 2020 16: 37
      +15
      Quote: paul3390
      How then did the Iranians manage to shit at him

      Apparently the TOP worked in automatic mode. Parameter less than 2 km - with the arrival on D arr. - in the machine 2 rocket salvo.
      This became possible for 2 reasons:
      1. After a missile attack on the base, the Iranians were waiting for an answer. We transferred the air defense systems to combat mode ... Apparently they were afraid of the state UAVs or KR ...
      2. Do not block the sky (as in the Donbass) for the passage of civilian aircraft. The forbidden zones for the flight of the aircraft were not designated ...
      1. marshes
        marshes 11 January 2020 16: 44
        +8
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        2. Do not block the sky (as in the Donbass) for the passage of civilian aircraft.

        I don’t know how many boards from Tehran before flew, here someone wrote that Lufthansa flew to the Ukrainian plane.
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 11 January 2020 17: 44
          -3
          Quote: marshes
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          2. Do not block the sky (as in the Donbass) for the passage of civilian aircraft.

          I don’t know how many boards from Tehran before flew, here someone wrote that Lufthansa flew to the Ukrainian plane.

          The Germans probably flew on an airbus and the Iranians were waiting for the Americans, so Boeing waited.
      2. Dalmatia
        Dalmatia 11 January 2020 17: 02
        0
        Somehow strange, the Iranians were waiting for an answer, and at the same time did not close the sky for civilian aircraft.
        In Donbas, no one was waiting for any answer, they were waiting for the plane.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 11 January 2020 17: 07
          +6
          Quote: Dalmatia
          In Donbas, no one was waiting for any answer, they were waiting for the plane.

          So I didn’t write about "otvetka" in Donbass ... These are your fantasies about "otvetki" and "closed sky".
          1. Dalmatia
            Dalmatia 11 January 2020 17: 09
            +3
            The second sentence is clearly superfluous, but the first - in essence.
            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 11 January 2020 17: 11
              +4
              Quote: Dalmatia
              The second sentence is clearly superfluous,

              Comrade Lieutenant Captain! drinks
              Do not comment on the senior military rank! laughing
              1. Dalmatia
                Dalmatia 11 January 2020 17: 12
                0
                Aha)) Well, I'll keep in mind for the future))
              2. Svarog51
                Svarog51 11 January 2020 20: 17
                +8
                Alexander hi I wish I could read the whole comment. Eh, dreams. I understand that censorship, but how poetical it sounds. good drinks

                PS If you see in the comments Zoldat_A - do not be surprised. I will explain in PM.
        2. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 11 January 2020 17: 57
          +1
          Iran said that the IRGC asked to close the sky with their government, but the request was rejected.
        3. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 11 January 2020 18: 39
          -6
          Quote: Dalmatia
          Somehow strange, the Iranians were waiting for an answer, and at the same time did not close the sky for civilian aircraft.

          They didn’t intentionally shut it down, they thought there would be an American response and would land on the civilian side.
          Do not swarm to another grave .......
      3. tlauicol
        tlauicol 11 January 2020 17: 34
        +3
        Quote: BoA KAA
        Quote: paul3390
        How then did the Iranians manage to shit at him

        Apparently the TOP worked in automatic mode. Parameter less than 2 km - with the arrival on D arr. - in the machine 2 rocket salvo.
        This became possible for 2 reasons:
        1. After a missile attack on the base, the Iranians were waiting for an answer. We transferred the air defense systems to combat mode ... Apparently they were afraid of the state UAVs or KR ...
        2. Do not block the sky (as in the Donbass) for the passage of civilian aircraft. The forbidden zones for the flight of the aircraft were not designated ...

        no, man launched rockets. The air defense commander himself acknowledged this at a briefing
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 11 January 2020 17: 50
          +10
          Quote: Tlauicol
          man launched rockets. The air defense commander himself acknowledged this at a briefing

          I wrote about my assumptions and the technical capabilities of the air defense system.
          Perhaps everything was as you wrote. But what the air defense commander said can be done in order to designate a "scapegoat". For! Where the "commanders" are, politics begins: the culprit is found, And to appease the "public" they will also organize a show trial. The victims will be paid large compensation ... (but the dead cannot be returned!) The plane will be returned to Ukraine ... by buying a new one from Boeing. They will try to make amends as much as possible ... (Unlike the States, which have never apologized to Iran for the plane shot down over the Red Sea).
          Harsh but fair!
          1. sp77ark
            sp77ark 12 January 2020 00: 02
            +3
            By the way, the air defense commander also drove to the TOP as an excuse: "The release of the landing gear during landing is recognized as the launch of a cruise missile."
            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 12 January 2020 00: 06
              +1
              Quote: sp77ark
              By the way, the air defense commander also drove to the TOP as an excuse: "The release of the landing gear during landing is recognized as the launch of a cruise missile."

              I said that where the "commanders" appear, politics begins there ... Actually, the launch of the missile defense system is determined by the “division of the target” ... Then, “upon landing” the missile launchers are not unhooked. There is a minimum altitude at which the CD leaves the side ... Does the commander really not know this?
              Apparently the general is a cavalryman!
              1. Demon_is_ada
                Demon_is_ada 12 January 2020 09: 07
                +3
                The general is a cavalryman, the operator is the same. He took an interest in the topic in more detail and ... The TORs in Iran were not equipped with transponder recognition systems, they had previously shot down their aircraft above the reactor, although it was in my opinion, but it was definitely American-made. Iran’s air defense system is not integrated into at least one information system. They have a c16 and most likely stands at the turn of the capital, she then saw and wrote the track very well ... According to the operator - finding such a target with the parameters of the km300 locator to the vskidka, if the range is not cut off programmatically, and the affected area is 40-10, the question is where did the operator look? He generally brought down something ??? B12 at such a height and speed? KR with such parameters? Or a group of wedge bombers? What can you confuse ???
      4. Evil Booth
        Evil Booth 11 January 2020 17: 48
        -2
        you would think LA went 2 km from the torus, it’s easy, but it’s very
      5. huntsman650
        huntsman650 13 January 2020 00: 05
        0
        The operator is complex in the machine and sleeping lay or unbalanced type. The MPC goals of Boeing and the Kyrgyz Republic are exactly the same (speed). There was a case in the machine fired on the IC earlier than needed, the operator understood the error and pressed the reset. The rocket has been eliminated.
  7. Nikolay87
    Nikolay87 11 January 2020 16: 34
    -7
    Beat your own so that strangers are afraid
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 11 January 2020 17: 47
      +3
      Quote: Nikolay87
      Beat your own so that strangers are afraid

      After the assassination of the general, the Iranians promised revenge. At first, about 50 Iranians were crushed at the funeral, and then the plane was knocked down with passengers mostly of Iranian nationality.
      1. Nikolay87
        Nikolay87 11 January 2020 17: 55
        -1
        Why not?! I do not argue, but as an option that still does not seem to be considered.
        20 rockets and not a single killed American. If they killed, the consequences would be, and, like, they would have died too, so you couldn’t show them to Iran, and Iran has shown that it can shoot down planes.
        The British were still flying there, suddenly a spy who dumped, and maybe a traitor.
      2. marshes
        marshes 11 January 2020 18: 07
        +3
        Quote: Semurg
        After the assassination of the general, the Iranians promised revenge. At first, about 50 Iranians were crushed at the funeral, and then the plane was knocked down with passengers mostly of Iranian nationality.

        And sin and laughter, then stand-upers will remember it.
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 11 January 2020 18: 17
          -2
          Recently, Ashura in Iran watched this tin in the 21st century.
          1. marshes
            marshes 11 January 2020 18: 35
            0
            Quote: Semurg
            Recently, Ashura in Iran watched this tin in the 21st century.

            The most interesting thing is that there are a lot of Azerbaijanis in the IRGC and the Muftiate.
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 11 January 2020 23: 24
              +1
              So Ayatollah Khamenei himself is an ethnic Azerbaijani.
  8. Observer2014
    Observer2014 11 January 2020 16: 34
    +11
    You can and should laugh in the face here to a crowd of not clever e-expeditions. But people died. What kind of nonsense was not printed these days. The history of the site is to help you. Read and enjoy your stupidity .. And I have nothing more to tell you.
    1. Victoria-V
      Victoria-V 11 January 2020 16: 45
      +5
      The worst thing in your words is that you say into the void ... Unfortunately, the innocent will not be heard. And those with bullshit.
    2. tarakan
      tarakan 11 January 2020 16: 57
      -1
      It’s good to be smart after receiving information, well done, people try to think and analyze on this site, unlike the media. There are errors in judgment, but most importantly (my opinion) THINK AND ANALYZE with your head
      1. 3danimal
        3danimal 13 January 2020 15: 00
        -2
        It is difficult to be objective, under the influence of propaganda, as well as with a lack of criticism. (There should be no sources to which unconditional trust)
    3. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 11 January 2020 17: 57
      +1
      And what prevents to distinguish pages back? Just for a few days? So I honestly confess that I counted the photo of the remnants of the missiles as an ejection. I’ll even explain why - there were too many such "proofs" in the MH 17 investigation.
  9. Slon379
    Slon379 11 January 2020 16: 37
    -4
    Maybe initially they didn’t shoot at him? Just covered with it? It was already like that in Syria.
  10. Zeev Zeev
    Zeev Zeev 11 January 2020 16: 42
    +6
    Hmm. I need to see how many minuses they put to me when I said that the Iranians might have shot down the board ... I wonder how those who claimed that this was impossible feel like.
    1. ender
      ender 11 January 2020 17: 23
      +4
      Feel great and ready for new victories
    2. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 11 January 2020 18: 44
      +2
      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      I wonder how those who claimed that this is impossible feel like.

      We went for a new batch of caps and a catapult.
    3. Liam
      Liam 11 January 2020 22: 01
      +1
      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      Hmm. I need to see how many minuses they put to me when I said that the Iranians might have shot down the board ... I wonder how those who claimed that this was impossible feel like.


      But yesterday:
      1. Yes, these are not rocket residues
      2. Yes, this video is fake
      3. Yes, these are not traces of fragments
      4. Yes, the plane was turning around, and the pilots just didn’t get in touch
      5. Look for someone who benefits.
      6. In this case, the star-striped ears of a six-pointed shape are immediately visible.


      But nothing, there are updates for manuals:

      1. Iran is well done, there are eggs (we ignore that they denied two days).
      2. Iran shot at an American drone (yes, right above Tehran) and hit a plane.
      3. Iran blinded American EW (yes, air defense near Tehran was blinded).
      4. Among Iranian air defense fighters, Jewish spies have lurked!
      5. Pilots were bribed and specially flew to Iranian air defense
      6. In any case, America is to blame.
      7. Americans generally shot down an airplane in 1988!
      8. And Ukrainians shot down an airplane in 2001!
      9. And in 2014, Ukrainians are certain, let them find the strength to repent like Iran.
      10. UkraineUkraineUkraineUkraine!
      1. Tamek
        Tamek 12 January 2020 15: 01
        0
        It’s like in football, if you support a team you always see penalties not assigned to the opponent’s goal and erroneously assigned to your team
  11. tlauicol
    tlauicol 11 January 2020 16: 44
    +7
    In no case should these woodpeckers be given nuclear weapons. not far from the Arabs they went into development
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 11 January 2020 16: 58
      +10
      A country in which boys and girls are arrested for joint dances, that pounds should not be given into their hands something more serious than RPG-7.
      1. Fishery
        Fishery 11 January 2020 17: 08
        +10
        they once shot the woman of the Minister of Education, after her refusal to put on a blanket, and here they prove to me with foam that they say there are traditions there, everyone happily and voluntarily supports the regime
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 11 January 2020 17: 17
          +7
          Quote: Tonya
          they once shot the woman of the Minister of Education, after her refusal to put on a blanket, and here they prove to me with foam that they say there are traditions there, everyone happily and voluntarily supports the regime

          What kind of support ... on Instagram, subscribe to the blog kristina_bo - a Russian girl, married a Persian, lives there after five years spent in Japan, where they met an Iranian. Handkerchiefs and other things do not bother them - they freeze the lack of hope for a normal human life under the ayatollahs. The nation itself is talented, and the country is also praised.
        2. tarakan
          tarakan 11 January 2020 17: 22
          +6
          Have you only seen Iran in pictures?
        3. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 11 January 2020 18: 47
          -2
          Quote: Tonya
          and here they prove to me with foam that they say traditions there are such, everyone happily and voluntarily supports the regime

          And you did not have to live in the USSR?
          1. Fishery
            Fishery 11 January 2020 20: 27
            +3
            even a passport is)
    2. tarakan
      tarakan 11 January 2020 17: 06
      +9
      Americans also shot down civilians, where did they go in development?
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 11 January 2020 17: 19
        +17
        All shot down civilians - the Israelis over Sinai, Amers in the Persian Gulf, the USSR in the Far East. But no one did this over Moscow, Tel Aviv or Washington.
        1. vadim dok
          vadim dok 11 January 2020 22: 26
          0
          The USSR over the Kola Peninsula shot down an American passenger plane with a Fighter's cannon fire, 2-4 people died from artillery fire, the plane crashed accidentally, completely remained unusable. The USSR did not apologize !!!!
          !
  12. paul3390
    paul3390 11 January 2020 16: 51
    +5
    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
    Didn't block the sky

    When dealing with the Americans, you don’t need to open the sky .. For you must wait for dirty tricks from them at any moment.
  13. yfast
    yfast 11 January 2020 16: 52
    +4
    Well, the Torah ignores transponders in automatic mode and there is no need for confirmation at all
    from homo?
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      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 11 January 2020 17: 34
        +10
        Quote: S-400
        But we must pay tribute to the Iranians: although they have a fairly tough totalitarianism and "we are in the circle of enemies," they still found the courage to confess. It is only Putin's hands-on "ichtamnet" still continue to lie about "pilot Voloshin", "Su-27 stadium-sized" and "Ukrainian Buki" in Zaroshchenskoye, which at the time of the Boeing's death was in the hands of the "militia" ...

        Og, only from something in the Iranian case, the commission instantly determined all the main points, and in the Ukrainian case, they’ve been clamoring for 5 years and can’t provide anything concrete.
        So draw conclusions ...
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        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 11 January 2020 18: 43
          +5
          Quote: Evil Booth
          Dinner is served

          Themselves and eat a full spoon - how long did it take? And how much in the case of Iran, and I'm already talking about how all the debris was collected!

          Moreover, the funniest thing is that in the picture you presented, the author is engaged in fortune telling by photos, which are informative in any way))))
          1. Evil Booth
            Evil Booth 11 January 2020 19: 15
            -4
            why not a fighter at the front? oh yes omega out of conflict tongue
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 11 January 2020 19: 18
              +1
              Quote: Evil Booth
              why not a fighter at the front? oh yes omega out of conflict

              You just do not push me with intelligence, huh? And then I feel like playing chess with some wonderful birds that Mark Twain spoke about))))))
              1. Evil Booth
                Evil Booth 11 January 2020 20: 31
                0
                ГЫ ГЫ ГЫГЫГГЫГЫГЫГЫЫЫЫЫЫЫ But you really won’t understand until you can understand why the line of entry-exit of fragments indicates the launch from ancient Sumeria
                1. Albert1988
                  Albert1988 11 January 2020 20: 51
                  +1
                  Quote: Evil Booth
                  ГЫ ГЫ ГЫГЫГГЫГЫГЫГЫЫЫЫЫЫЫ But you really won’t understand until you can understand why the line of entry-exit of fragments indicates the launch from ancient Sumeria

                  You, dear, mixed something up))))) Very much mixed up)))) Read my comments more carefully and you will understand that I’m trying to prove to one representative of a rare species of Belarusian horses that it is Ukraine that is responsible for the death of the Boeing. ..
                  You are very mixed up .... laughing laughing laughing
                  And the picture of your evidence is really small - the resolution is too low, you need to take good pictures of specific areas of the affected Boeing ... hi
                  1. Evil Booth
                    Evil Booth 12 January 2020 09: 41
                    -1
                    fellow the top taschemta is the site of the Dutch prosecutor’s office; there the ongi are not very small; just VO doesn’t allow spreading hooks of 10 sheets a4)) similarly, all the others
                    1. Albert1988
                      Albert1988 12 January 2020 14: 23
                      -1
                      Quote: Evil Booth
                      the top taschemta is the site of the Dutch prosecutor’s office; there the ongi are not very small; just VO doesn’t allow spreading hooks of 10 sheets a4)) similarly, all the others

                      Then it’s better to reset the link to the site itself)))
                      Including local riders will be useful, otherwise they are used to taking everything from the censor good
                      1. Evil Booth
                        Evil Booth 17 January 2020 15: 32
                        0
                        Google nyandeksit. and where by the way yelp In an airplane's non-pilot, this Iranian tor surrendered to everyone.
      3. Semurg
        Semurg 11 January 2020 17: 55
        +5
        Quote: S-400


        And the fact that he was shot down was obvious from the moment the first photo was published: on one of the planes there were clearly visible traces of shrapnel / striking elements of warheads of some warhead.

        (

        Yesterday, on this site, I read posts of kvas experts that these were not traces of shrapnel from an anti-aircraft missile, but holes that appeared from stones when the plane crashed.
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      4. Olezhek
        Olezhek 11 January 2020 18: 46
        +5

        But we must pay tribute to the Iranians: although they have a fairly tough totalitarianism and "we are in the circle of enemies," they still have the courage to admit it. It is only Putin's hands-on "ichtamnet" still continue to lie about "pilot Voloshin", "Su-1 stadium-sized" and "Ukrainian Buki" in Zaroshchenskoye, which at the time of the Boeing's death was in the hands of the "militia" ...

        So draw conclusions :(


        Conclusions are made:
        Horses running in the forest
    2. tarakan
      tarakan 11 January 2020 17: 24
      +3
      In the battle torus the fuck that flies must crawl
  14. zombirusrev
    zombirusrev 11 January 2020 17: 05
    +1
    Everyone has probably seen the "Bargaining Coin" video about 2001 and the Twin Towers. So there is an opinion that the Americans remotely transferred the Boeing transponder to the mode they needed and the Iranian air defense did not recognize it as a civilian .... then a matter of technology. Fly on Boeing.
    1. AUL
      AUL 11 January 2020 17: 31
      +8
      Quote: zombirusrev
      So there is an opinion what the Americans translated remotely ...
      And you can ask, and who is the bearer of this "opinion"? What is his competence? Or does it, this opinion, exist by itself, without a carrier? It's just there - and that's it? wassat
      1. zombirusrev
        zombirusrev 11 January 2020 18: 29
        0
        If you are not in the subject, then you can only shrug your hands. Watch the movie "Bargaining Coin." there are all links. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs4NlhjCgAg
        1. AUL
          AUL 12 January 2020 16: 08
          0
          Quote: zombirusrev
          If you are not in the subject, then you can only shrug your hands. Watch the movie "Bargaining Coin."

          And the question was not about my competence. This phrase of yours just cut my eyes - "there is an opinion ... ". And so it breathed a period of heyday of stagnation. As at a trade union re-election meeting. Party organizer says - there is an opinion to re-elect Comrade N! And everyone knows that this comrade is a canine and only licks the ass to the authorities, but - there is an opinion! It is unclear whose, as it were, in itself and no one to object ...
      2. zombirusrev
        zombirusrev 11 January 2020 18: 34
        0
        Not the fact that everything is not so simple and there were several aircraft. That's when all the dead will be identified then it will be possible to talk about the guilt of Iran, that is. ancient Ukrainians are involved there, then this is most likely a provocation.
      3. zombirusrev
        zombirusrev 11 January 2020 18: 38
        +1
        Any modern aircraft can be imperceptibly equipped with remote control systems .... especially if it is necessary for the powerful White Brother.
    2. Zeev Zeev
      Zeev Zeev 11 January 2020 18: 57
      -3
      How can a military air defense system generally receive signals from a civilian transponder? With what a fright will a civilian receiver stand on military equipment?
      1. Evil Booth
        Evil Booth 11 January 2020 19: 16
        0
        soldier on a military melee in the absence of communication on its micro-ranges, as a net no, in any case, even if he is.
        1. Zeev Zeev
          Zeev Zeev 11 January 2020 19: 19
          0
          Yes, there are simply no such technologies on military equipment. From the word "nafig need".
          1. zombirusrev
            zombirusrev 11 January 2020 19: 55
            0
            Do you understand what the word "Technology" means, or are you at odds with the Russian language? In Russian, they say that such devices are absent on the specified weapons. Are you aware of the Iranian configuration of the specified air defense system?
            1. Zeev Zeev
              Zeev Zeev 11 January 2020 20: 38
              0
              On military equipment are not placed receivers of civil signals. Because these available signals can be used by the adversary to disguise his equipment, and because there should not be civilians in the combat zone in principle. The exception is ships and aircraft, which, by their nature, interact with civilians, for example, coastguards and rescue aircraft.
              1. zombirusrev
                zombirusrev 11 January 2020 21: 41
                -2
                Oh well. And we will answer questions or how (about a complete set)? Rather, the warrior has everything in terms of turnover, while civilians have only civil. For the warriors must hear everything and understand what flies to them. A civilian is not necessary.
                1. Zeev Zeev
                  Zeev Zeev 11 January 2020 21: 55
                  0
                  Which regiment served?
                  1. zombirusrev
                    zombirusrev 11 January 2020 21: 59
                    -2
                    Radio posts of the object air defense system either receive information about the civilian sides themselves or they are informed by external sources. As far as I know, only military air defense does not bother with this because It only works in very combat conditions.
                    1. Zeev Zeev
                      Zeev Zeev 11 January 2020 22: 03
                      +3
                      That is, they did not serve. Clear.
                      1. zombirusrev
                        zombirusrev 11 January 2020 22: 06
                        -1
                        We don’t need to.
                      2. Zeev Zeev
                        Zeev Zeev 11 January 2020 22: 10
                        0
                        Well, you don’t need to talk about things in which you understand absolutely nothing.
                      3. zombirusrev
                        zombirusrev 12 January 2020 19: 20
                        0
                        Do you understand what I just said? And I said that serving in the army is not necessary to know how the air defense system is arranged. Or do you have Russian trouble?
                      4. Zeev Zeev
                        Zeev Zeev 12 January 2020 19: 31
                        +1
                        In order to understand how the army works, it is still necessary to serve in it.
                    2. Zeev Zeev
                      Zeev Zeev 11 January 2020 22: 09
                      +1
                      Air Defense Corps of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards is in no way connected with the Iranian Air Force Air Defense Center, which monitors air traffic over Iran. These are two different structures. In addition, the civilian side tracking system is only at the center of air traffic monitoring. On the SAM itself, there are no receivers of civil signals in principle.
                      1. zombirusrev
                        zombirusrev 12 January 2020 19: 24
                        0
                        Do you serve in the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Air Defense? or in Mossad? Or maybe in Rosoboronexport? Open up. I don’t know the complete set of thematic air defense systems, because I don’t enter the structures that supplied it and serviced it, but you know everything even telepathically determined what I know. Well ... you are our telepath.
          2. Evil Booth
            Evil Booth 11 January 2020 20: 33
            0
            it is integrated into large systems from c300 and more difficult in c75 and the like it is, but as a separate thing, but at point-blank range for combat and non-combat conditions. Threat MLRS patriot perfectly shot down several of his f16 / 18 in combat and non-combat conditions.
            1. Zeev Zeev
              Zeev Zeev 11 January 2020 20: 39
              +2
              MLRS "Patriot" what's this? And what planes did he shoot down?
              1. zombirusrev
                zombirusrev 11 January 2020 21: 42
                -1
                Do not mow under the foolish you understand what you were told.
                1. Zeev Zeev
                  Zeev Zeev 11 January 2020 22: 01
                  +1
                  SAM "Patriot" I know. There is no such MLRS. As far as I know, the Patriot shot down 1 (one) Tornado, 1 (one) F / A-18, one Su-24, two UAVs and one Su-22 in the entire history of combat use. There were no "several F-16 / 18s" in nature.
                  1. zombirusrev
                    zombirusrev 11 January 2020 22: 12
                    -2
                    Why is there such an awareness that the Patriot is allergic to F-16? We, as ordinary townsfolk or even experts in our field, EVERYTHING will never know, we won’t even know in what configuration what Rosoboronexport delivers to whom. You served your air defense system and you knew it and several sister air defense systems and that’s all. Yes, they knew thoroughly but what Trump said to Putin and what is the equipment of the Iranian Torah, sorry no.
                    1. Zeev Zeev
                      Zeev Zeev 11 January 2020 22: 19
                      +1
                      The Patriot had no cases of the F-16 defeat. And that's all. And there is no need to come up with a "secret complete set of air defense systems" in order to try to support the conspiracy theory about US intervention. It won't help anyway.
      2. zombirusrev
        zombirusrev 11 January 2020 19: 51
        -1
        There are a lot of things, about which the layman is unknown. In this way.
    3. Nikitich
      Nikitich 11 January 2020 19: 16
      -1
      Superjet only good
  15. Nikitich
    Nikitich 11 January 2020 17: 06
    0
    And why didn’t Iran forbid flights in the danger zone ???
    1. Spartan_117
      Spartan_117 11 January 2020 17: 12
      -2
      It doesn’t matter, the main thing is that Iran admitted and they are great. But what the Ukrainians did not close: the killers, Bandera and the litter of the USA. All you need to know about the double standards of this public.
      1. ender
        ender 11 January 2020 17: 30
        +4
        the main thing is that Iran admitted and they are well done


        and the driver who shot down a man at the crossing and hiding from the scene. Having learned the next day that the police already have evidence against him and having talked with a lawyer, he goes to write upright - is he also well done? maybe a hero at all?
        here the situation is similar
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      2. Albert1988
        Albert1988 11 January 2020 17: 35
        0
        Quote: Spartan_117
        It doesn’t matter, the main thing is that Iran admitted and they are great. But what the Ukrainians did not close: the killers, Bandera and the litter of the USA. All you need to know about the double standards of this public.

        The main thing is that Ukrainians did NOT admit, and do not admit, because here they are only performers, and customers are very important people ...
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          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 11 January 2020 17: 47
            +4
            Quote: Spartan_117
            Here will be the COURT - here we will find out who the performer is. Do not hang labels ahead of time.

            What a court, dear! If all the "evidence" is still "conjectural" in nature, and the accused have long been appointed, poking at the "first persons" of the militia? Over there, the Ukrainians of Tsemakh stole how much there was a fuss about what an important witness he was, but they gave it away from something right away, because they understood, apparently, that the peasant would not tell them anything useful. and maybe he will tell you something from which the case sewn with white threads will generally crack ...
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                  1. Albert1988
                    Albert1988 11 January 2020 19: 13
                    -1
                    Quote: Spartan_117
                    Duplicate your post below:
                    Are You Normal? How many countries do you have on the map? Two? Russia and Ukraine? I see from you, if you do not praise Russia, then you are a Ukrainian - a fact.


                    Yes, I agree, Belarusian horses should be especially protected - an endangered species! Compared with them, bison just like lemmings breed))))
                2. Zeev Zeev
                  Zeev Zeev 11 January 2020 22: 23
                  +1
                  And the questions of the "Bandera" (Bendera is a resident of the city of Bender) can you answer? And then I, as a person who sometimes watches Russian TV, is also very interested in this orgy with versions.
                  1. Albert1988
                    Albert1988 12 January 2020 14: 28
                    0
                    Quote: Zeev Zeev
                    And the questions of the "Bandera" (Bendera is a resident of the city of Bender) can you answer? And then I, as a person who sometimes watches Russian TV, is also very interested in this orgy with versions.

                    I know about the city of Bender, and I also don’t understand why they don’t like him so much now))) And secondly, the citizen is not from Svidomo, he is from the bison!

                    And there is only one answer to the questions - when such a tragedy occurs, multiple versions are always put forward, which are then scrupulously checked. And stupid and illiterate journalists pick up these supposed versions and for the sake of sensation pass them off as final. Inattentive people reading these journalists do not pay attention to small details in the text, quotes from officials, etc. from which they have a false picture, in this case - a false idea that there was some kind of "leapfrog" with versions of the death of the Boeing, and that "something is unclean here." Although in reality there is a normal practice - we put forward several possible versions, and then, as we receive and analyze information, we reject the unrealistic ones and leave the most probable ...
                    1. Zeev Zeev
                      Zeev Zeev 12 January 2020 16: 46
                      +1
                      Well, in general, your Ministry of Defense first showed a picture from the radar, where there is an aircraft next to MH17, then (when the version with the Su-25 disappeared for a while) the same picture was shown without the aircraft. Then the same Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation said that there were no such missiles in the Russian army (a week later such missiles were shown at a parade in Chita), then the state-owned Almaz-Antey design bureau got into the matter ... So you can't throw everything off on journalists.
                      1. Albert1988
                        Albert1988 12 January 2020 18: 12
                        +1
                        Quote: Zeev Zeev
                        Well, actually, your Ministry of Defense first showed a picture from the radar, where there is an airplane next to MH17, then (when the version with the Su-25 disappeared for a while) the same picture showed already without an airplane.

                        Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation showed a picture from radars, where for a while in the same tier with the Boeing an object appearedWhich supposedly qualified as the Su-25 that briefly climbed to the same height, since Ukraine has such modernized machines. And this was one of the versions. Moreover, local residents saw, in addition to the Boeing, another military aircraft in the area at a decent height, although the accuracy of their readings is still the same. And this version disappeared due to the fact that, as the data analysis showed, it was not a real object, but an "artifact" or simply an interference on the radar, and that there was no object nearby.
                        Quote: Zeev Zeev
                        Then the same Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation said that there are no such missiles in the Russian army (a week later such missiles were shown at the parade in Chita)

                        The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation could NOT say this simply because "Buki" flashed at parades regularly and is known to everyone in the world. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation said later, much later, when the commission of inquiry showed the fragments of the missile that such markings were present only on the missiles that remained in Ukraine. But that's a different story. And what missiles in the Russian army are really almost gone are the S-200 complexes, which in Russia remained in extremely small numbers, but in Ukraine they are still decent. It was also one of the versions that it was the S-200 that worked on the Boeing.
                        And Almaz-Antey simply analyzed the data obtained on the nature of the damage to the cab and the I-beams that were removed from the bodies, and gave information that this was a Buk missile, and later the same Almaz-Antey reported that it was a big most likely, an earlier modification of this very missile, which now exists only in Ukraine, since Russia has switched to a newer one with noticeably different damage parameters.
                        Because. that the Ministry of Defense considered three versions: an air-to-air missile (disappeared over time), a Buk missile and an S-200 Angara missile.
                        So it’s for the journalists.
                      2. Zeev Zeev
                        Zeev Zeev 12 January 2020 19: 30
                        +1
                        Yes, this is not the Ministry of Defense, this is Almaz-Antey.
                        "Moscow. October 13. INTERFAX.RU - The results of field experiments by Almaz-Antey showed that the Malaysian Boeing 777 was shot down in the skies over Ukraine by the old Buk M-1 missiles, which are no longer in service with the Armed Forces. RF, said Mikhail Malyshevsky, advisor to the general designer of the concern. "
                        A Buk with these missiles caught fire on May 9 at a parade in Chita.
                        https://www.chita.ru/news/73268/
                      3. Albert1988
                        Albert1988 12 January 2020 22: 01
                        +1
                        Quote: Zeev Zeev
                        A Buk with these missiles caught fire on May 9 at a parade in Chita.

                        Respected! HOW did you determine that these are the "old" missiles? AND? Are you aware that outwardly they do not differ in any way from each other? The whole difference is in the filling, you cannot attach a very different rocket to the old installation - you will have to redo the launchers and change the transport-loading vehicle! The filling is changing! Moreover, I will tell you - there are NO military missiles on the parade! There are MODELS !!!! And how these dummies look - it makes absolutely no difference!
                        So advice to you - first understand the materiel! Then most of your questions will disappear by themselves, but other, more important ones will appear ...
              2. Albert1988
                Albert1988 11 January 2020 18: 33
                +8
                Quote: Spartan_117
                You first

                Be kind, dear, to tell me "you", we did not drink at brotherhood and we are not in close acquaintance ...
                Quote: Spartan_117
                a lie to the Russian Defense Ministry at a briefing with SU-25.

                Firstly, the Su-25 was flying that day, secondly, all eyewitnesses to the tragedy said that they saw a military aircraft at a small distance from the ill-fated Boeing. Thirdly, the plant at which the Su-25 was modernized, allowing it to briefly rise by almost a dozen, is located in Ukraine and is operating; by the way, the Georgian Su-25 was modernized there. And in the latter - a strike on the Boeing with the Su-25 - was one of the assumptions.
                Quote: Spartan_117
                lie of the RF IC about the pilot Voloshin with their polygraph.

                What exactly did the RF IC say about the pilot Voloshin, which was not speculation?
                Quote: Spartan_117
                about vetoing by Russia in the creation of the tribunal, when Russia "supposedly" has nothing to do with it.

                And this Russia itself explained-because. that under the current conditions, the tribunal will be used as a political instrument of pressure on it ..

                But you better tell me something else clearly - why did NOBODY explain why 3 times corrected the Boeing’s course, although everyone was aware that in the region where he was sent he repeatedly shot down aircraft?
                Where did the Ukrainian dispatchers go, who actually corrected the aircraft's course? Why, shortly before the tragedy, the Ukrainian Buk complexes, whose presence was recorded by Russian satellite reconnaissance, were deployed to the region, given that the militia did not have any aircraft?
                Why did Ukrainian artillery begin to iron heavily the crash site of a Boeing?
                Why did the commission that arrived at the crash site collect far from all the wreckage of the aircraft?
                Why did the procedures that, in the case of the same Iran, have been completed in hours, took many months from the MH17 commission?
                Why did the rocket fragments that were provided by the commission carry the marking of the rockets stored in Ukrainian warehouses and then suddenly forget about these fragments?

                That's when you give intelligible answers to these questions, then we'll talk, go for it))))
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                  1. Albert1988
                    Albert1988 11 January 2020 19: 11
                    +1
                    Quote: Spartan_117
                    Now look at the new briefing - where does the MO refute everything that was said in 2014.
                    CURTAIN.

                    Heh-heh-heh)))) Hang the "curtain" on the window, they refute only the supposed versions - that near (in the immediate vicinity) appeared, I emphasize - a certain object appeared. which could be the Su-25. Nevertheless, according to eyewitnesses, the military plane was not far from Boeing, the height and distance, it is clearly impossible to determine. Moreover, the initial statement about the Su-25 next to the Boeing was an invention of the media, the staff officers assumed that it could be there, versions were put forward, BUT! The jumped gentlemen with their characteristic dilentantism began to scream as always without going into details))))

                    Moreover, what is interesting is that the data provided by the so-called international commission contains many times more, and they are much more serious.
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              3. Siberian
                Siberian 11 January 2020 19: 58
                +3
                And the convincing opinion (= evidence) that it was a lie that Voloshin did not exist, his sudden appointment to a non-military post and suicide. And the dispatcher who changed the course of the plane, where is she? And 5 years of research and investigation led to something? Even without the participation of Russia, something stalled that consequence.
                1. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
                  Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 11 January 2020 20: 10
                  -3
                  The investigation has already named the system and the rocket, the launch area, even by name passed. Patriots are not up to date as always
                  1. Albert1988
                    Albert1988 11 January 2020 20: 55
                    +2
                    Quote: Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
                    The investigation has already named the system and the rocket, the launch area,

                    Oga - they even showed the rocket (wreckage), only the markings on them turned out to be Ukrainian wink , the zone was also called - "well, like from somewhere from there", and the names were called "well, like the most important who was there at" separatyug "- that and the suspect" ...
                    So everyone is already aware, both "patriots" and not patriots ...
    2. tarakan
      tarakan 11 January 2020 17: 28
      0
      And why did the Anglicans deploy their liners?
  16. Spartan_117
    Spartan_117 11 January 2020 17: 07
    +3
    Quote: Slon379
    Maybe initially they didn’t shoot at him? Just covered with it? It was already like that in Syria.

    If the F-16 pilot could hide behind ILOIM, then he is GOD. This whole story is for the inner layman to cover the curvature of the Syrian air defense forces. As children.
  17. Pavel57
    Pavel57 11 January 2020 17: 14
    +6
    Iran's mistake did not cover the sky during the state of war.
  18. Vladimir
    Vladimir 11 January 2020 17: 15
    +2
    Unfortunately for the passenger liner, the air defense system worked with a bang, although it was not even a system, because the system would have been integrated as a whole into Iran’s air defense, it’s just some kind of post that didn’t bother to identify the target by simply pressing the key to the "automatic" mode , only one conclusion can be drawn - it is impossible to give such a weapon into the hands of savages.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 11 January 2020 23: 15
      -1
      Quote: Vladimir 
      I didn’t bother to identify the target, just pressing the key in the "automatic" mode, the only conclusion can be made - you cannot give such a weapon into the hands of savages.

      So who gave?
  19. Larisa Byvsheva_3
    Larisa Byvsheva_3 11 January 2020 17: 16
    -6
    I don’t get it, why did Iran sign up for this ?!
    1. tarakan
      tarakan 11 January 2020 17: 31
      -1
      Hard, painful but fast
  20. Spartan_117
    Spartan_117 11 January 2020 17: 22
    +5
    Quote: Larisa Byvsheva_3
    I don’t get it, why did Iran sign up for this ?!

    The cockpit is like a drushlak. What to deny?

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        1. user1212
          user1212 11 January 2020 18: 25
          +2
          Quote: Spartan_117
          At that time, fragments with holes from the striking elements were already visible

          In the caption to the photo there is a phrase "so there are debris or not"? There is. Is there a phrase "they are going to look for them"? There is also. So it is reasonable to assume that at the time these words were spoken, the wreck was not shown. Do you have other reasons? You are welcome to provide
        2. Dart2027
          Dart2027 11 January 2020 18: 43
          -1
          Already answered.
          Quote: user1212
          It is therefore reasonable to assume that at the time these words were spoken, the wreckage was not demonstrated. Do you have other reasons? Please provide
        3. Albert1988
          Albert1988 11 January 2020 19: 15
          +1
          Quote: Spartan_117
          rocket tail found

          This one is with a rocket number. which was stored in Ukrainian warehouses, and which they don’t want to remember now?))))
        4. user1212
          user1212 11 January 2020 19: 28
          -2
          Quote: Spartan_117
          At that time, fragments with holes from the striking elements were already visible

          Lies, show the photos dated January 9, with the traces on which the expert opinion was received, that these are traces of the damaging elements of the air defense system. By the way, in which country and what services do they issue such conclusions on photographs on the Internet? And why are there no such countries or such services?
          Here's an example article from January 9 that Ukrainian experts only agree on going to the crash site to confirm the version of the attack on the plane. Posted 11:25 AM Jan 09.01.2020, XNUMX i.e. on the same day that the photo with the words of Soloviev is dated
          https://112.ua/avarii-chp/eksperty-hotyat-provesti-poiski-oblomkov-rossiyskoy-rakety-zrk-tor-na-meste-aviakatastrofy-v-irane-danilov-521279.html
          Quote: Spartan_117
          rocket tail found

          Again a lie. There were only photos of the tail of January 8, but where and when the photograph was taken is not clear. There were no official statements on this subject.
          Quote: Spartan_117
          rocket hit video

          No rocket or plane can be seen in the video, there is only the movement of a light source. The video of the UAE’s air defense also contains shots similar to a missile strike and air defense system, but not a single aircraft was injured then.
          PS Of course, Soloviev’s balabol is still the same, but what’s better with you?
    4. Olezhek
      Olezhek 11 January 2020 18: 48
      +2
      How to dissuade Putin’s propaganda — Solovyov and his companions-in-arms — from lies? And after this, do you still hope that Russia will recognize the death of the MH-17?


      And what are the representatives of the 404 country doing here?
      1. Spartan_117
        Spartan_117 11 January 2020 19: 15
        -3
        And what is the representative doing here: the USA, their accomplices and Ukraine are to blame for everything?
        I am Belarusian - see passport screen above.
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 11 January 2020 19: 20
          -1
          Quote: Spartan_117
          I am Belarusian - see passport screen above.

          Yeah, Belarusians like bison need to be protected)))) And then they will die out by chance wink
  22. rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 11 January 2020 17: 59
    -3
    If until the last moment the transponder was turned on and, accordingly, the board was identified as "our own", then how could something be confused, it means that they had stirred up this Boeing already during takeoff
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 11 January 2020 19: 21
      +2
      Quote: rotkiv04
      If until the last moment the transponder was turned on and, accordingly, the board was identified as "our own", then how could something be confused, it means that they had stirred up this Boeing already during takeoff

      If at the remote control of the air defense installation there was a clawfish, and even more so on the nerves after recent events ... That could happen and such ......
      1. zombirusrev
        zombirusrev 12 January 2020 19: 31
        0
        They got into trouble with him earlier in the Boeing service center in Europe and either reprogrammed the transponder, or added "what is needed" (c) so that he would portray a Tomahawk.
    2. Zeev Zeev
      Zeev Zeev 11 January 2020 19: 24
      +1
      Military complexes do not pick up civilian signals. And "friend or foe" is purely army garbage.
  23. Jager
    Jager 11 January 2020 18: 16
    +2
    How could you confuse a receding airliner with something else? Where are the defendants on the plane? Where there are dispatchers, this is an international airport and planes take off like minibuses.
    Wangyu, under the guise they removed one of the passengers whom they could not remove otherwise.
    Although the American destroyer somehow also shot down the Iranian (if I'm not mistaken) airliner from fear in the late 80s or early 90s.
    Then it’s complete gouging and stupidity, to judge for such a culprit-commander according to the laws of war. Why is that? And he would have confused with the presidential board suddenly ...
    Although the Polish president's status did not save from the Russian birch. But that story is even darker ...
    1. Zeev Zeev
      Zeev Zeev 11 January 2020 19: 25
      +1
      Where did the military defendants come from in a civilian plane? Who will let them put the secret system
      1. zombirusrev
        zombirusrev 12 January 2020 19: 28
        0
        Because this is Boeing and it is served by amers, then neither will they put what the CIA needs for "For God's sake" and he will pose as anything. Therefore, TOR will consider him either Harpoon or Tomahawk.
        1. Zeev Zeev
          Zeev Zeev 12 January 2020 19: 38
          +2
          Clear. You did not serve in the army, you do not know how the army works, you do not understand what an air defense system is and in what form the operator receives information. But then you are sure that your Russian technology is so primitive that it is easy to fool it.
        2. Jager
          Jager 12 January 2020 22: 33
          0
          This system works very differently. And zhahnut rocket on the liner can be without any "bookmarks" there.
      2. Jager
        Jager 12 January 2020 22: 37
        0
        There is a connection, there are emergency frequencies, there is a mark on the radar, glowing like a garland at night. In extreme cases, there are brains, but were there any brains in the calculation at that time, and if they were not blasted on the remote control by that moment - who knows? True, she is always somewhere nearby.
        1. Zeev Zeev
          Zeev Zeev 12 January 2020 23: 17
          0
          The Iranian Air Force has communications and emergency frequencies, which monitor the air over their country. And "Boeing" was shot down by the IRGC air defense, which do not have any of this and do not know how, along the way. Yes, and with the brain after the washing that happened on the same day on the occasion of the funeral of Suleimani, clearly not everything was in order.
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 11 January 2020 23: 04
      +1
      Quote: Jager
      Although the American destroyer somehow also shot down the Iranian (if I'm not mistaken) airliner from fear in the late 80s or early 90s.

      The backlight from the A-300 is about the same size as the F-14 Tomcat. The course of the aircraft accidentally turned out to be the same as the course of the F-14 attacking. The aircraft did not respond to requests at international frequencies. So what did the captain do?
      Shortly before that and around that corner, the USS Stark caught missiles aboard, though from Iraq. The captain was dismissed with a lowering in rank.
      1. Jager
        Jager 12 January 2020 22: 31
        0
        Airbus EPR is equal to Tomcat's EPR?
    3. Zeev Zeev
      Zeev Zeev 12 January 2020 19: 40
      +1
      After hours of nervous vigil in the cramped cockpit of an air defense system, you can confuse the top and bottom, and not just the direction the target is flying on the radar.
      1. Jager
        Jager 12 January 2020 22: 29
        0
        Sorry, in this case, you, as an air defense operator, need to change your occupation, for example, scrub the deck. To such weapons the weak and idiots are not allowed.
        1. Zeev Zeev
          Zeev Zeev 12 January 2020 23: 20
          +1
          Change occupation? As long as there is an IRGC in Iran with all the benefits and nishtyaks, no one will quit voluntarily from there.
  24. sagitch
    sagitch 11 January 2020 19: 37
    +3
    “This is the second passenger Boeing that has been recently destroyed by a Russian missile,” Turchinov wrote on Facebook, recalling the crash of the Malaysian airliner in 2014 near Donetsk.
    According to the politician, the Ukrainian authorities should immediately demand an extraordinary meeting of the UN Security Council in order to ensure an objective investigation and bring to justice not only Iran, but also Russia. Turchinov added that Moscow supplied Tehran with "deadly weapons in violation of international sanctions."


    I was in a shocked indignation at his words, I would have choked him without thinking, but at first I would have pulled out his filthy language.
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    1. Siberian
      Siberian 11 January 2020 20: 05
      0
      and where to get acquainted with them mono? Do not offer Wikipedia, only documents
  26. However, dear
    However, dear 11 January 2020 20: 59
    +1
    Ukraine qualified a missile strike on a Boeing in Iran as a premeditated murder. PHOTOS of debris and VIDEO of a possible rocket launch published

    the photo, which was released by the office of the President of Ukraine, clearly shows that the rocket hit the cockpit. “We believe this is a proven fact, and therefore the negotiations that our pilots were supposed to have stopped immediately. Unfortunately, they died immediately after the first strike,” the NSDC secretary said. The same photo shows holes from the exit of explosives.

    Danilov said that 30% of the bodies of the dead have already been identified. Roughly on January 20-21 they will be returned to Ukraine. He added that the disaster investigation will continue, Ukraine will insist on prosecuting those responsible for the destruction of the aircraft with passengers. Danilov also expressed confidence that Iran would pay compensation to the families of the victims and the cost of the aircraft.

    More details: https://www.newsru.com/world/11jan2020/umyshlennoe.html
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 11 January 2020 22: 47
      +1
      Quote: However, Dear
      Ukraine will insist on bringing to justice those responsible for the destruction of the aircraft with passengers.

      Well, yes, the Persians will find a "guilty", some thread for the soldier, and even hang him. And the officials of the IRGC who are directly guilty are not even mentioned.
  27. Revolver
    Revolver 11 January 2020 21: 50
    +3
    They shot down not even the army, but the IRGC.
    By the way, the IRGC refers to the Iranian armed forces approximately as part of the SS belonged to the Wehrmacht. How to get weapons and other supplies mate, so they are the first, and as cradles for failure, so substitute the army. But it did not fail here, the army was not even there.
  28. mikstepanenko
    mikstepanenko 11 January 2020 21: 55
    -5
    There is news. US military threatens massive desertion when sent to the Middle East
    The US military, because of the existing threat of a military conflict between the United States of America and Iran, massively refuse to go to the Middle East. The situation led to the fact that millions of US citizens actually brought down the state portal for mobilization of the population.
    The strongest army on the planet blown away at the first sign of danger?
    Information from the site x-true.info
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 11 January 2020 22: 44
      +3
      Quote: mikstepanenko
      Information from the site x-true.info

      The stuffing will not be called anything in the fan. Neither FoxNews, nor even CNN can find it, but should have been on the main page. Especially CNN, nicknamed the Communist News Network. For them, just to find a reason to bite Trump, and the worse for America, the better for CNN.
  29. yfast
    yfast 11 January 2020 22: 07
    -1
    "Ukraine demanded that Iran fully admit its guilt: apologize at the diplomatic level, pay compensation to the families of the victims, return the bodies of the victims of the disaster to their homeland."
    And the cost of the aircraft?
  30. pro100y.belarus
    pro100y.belarus 11 January 2020 22: 19
    -4
    I wonder - why was the Ukrainian liner shot down? After all, there are thousands of countries and airlines in the world.
    Maybe because "God marks rogue"?
  31. Iskander. Richard
    Iskander. Richard 11 January 2020 23: 18
    +1
    Iran should have a question for the Russian Federation, how could the Torah radar not be able to identify a civilian plane ?! And this is not the first time.
    1. Pavel57
      Pavel57 11 January 2020 23: 32
      -1
      The Americans turned off the transponder, and that's confused.
  32. Vera Izotova
    Vera Izotova 12 January 2020 00: 10
    -2
    But it seems to me that the board turned off and was sent to this zone. There is hope that the dispatcher will not disappear, as was the case with the Malaysian Boeing! The recognition of Iran is only a recognition of an incontrovertible fact, but how this plane got there, you need to understand it, dozens of planes took off and there were no problems! A plane full of Iranians shot down, unrest in the country ........
  33. svoit
    svoit 12 January 2020 00: 37
    0
    Quote: Iskander. Richard
    Torah radar could not identify a civilian plane ?!

    The question most likely will not be so they know what a person is doing, even on the most advanced systems a civilian aircraft can be identified with some probability of false positives by indirect indications.
  34. yfast
    yfast 12 January 2020 01: 04
    -1
    But aren't elven ears sticking out of Thor? Since they walk around Iraq like the promised desert? I did not have time, they say, in 9 seconds, to have or ...
  35. iuocsfyu
    iuocsfyu 12 January 2020 02: 21
    -1
    It is noteworthy that statements that the Ukrainian board changed course no longer sounds.

    - Yes, it was clear.
  36. serajabanda
    serajabanda 12 January 2020 05: 13
    0
    Now they will conduct an investigation:
    1. Why did the UIA carrier lied that technical servicing was carried out on January 6, if that day the plane was at the airport of Boryspil (Ukraine) 2 times for 2 hours. A technical check was carried out in the period from 17:35 on January 4 to 10; 40 on January 5. The plane was at the airport for 17 hours.
    2. Who this time carried out planned technical maintenance, if the composition of the technicians these days was on holidays until January 8 (date of the disaster).
    3. In the video, which captures the moment of the explosion in the sky, which the bellingcat dismantled, an unknown object flies not only without landing lights, but also without marker lights. Aircraft turn off landing lights only when reaching 3000 meters above the ground. But in reality it was only 1373 meters above the ground.
    4. The graph of flyrad24 shows that the last half a minute before the transponder was turned off, the speed of the aircraft stopped increasing, i.e. acceleration is zero. Yes, the height was addicted, maybe the plane flew up by inertia for another 20-40 seconds
    5. A separate question for the media: why do they write that the flight altitude was 2400 meters. After all, this is the altitude, i.e. height above sea level. The airport in Tehran is located at an altitude of 1007 meters above sea level, i.e. the absolute height was 2400-1007 = 1393 meters (Absolute height (AGL) is the exact height above ground level or the actual height above the ground. ///// True Altitude
    True Altitude - The height of the aircraft above sea level (MSL).
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  38. Fat
    Fat 12 January 2020 07: 37
    0
    Come on. I will give, yes. Like a tor yes ... But cho is not a stinger ... Cheaper, maybe an arrow. It’s at least in a trend .... Well, it was sober ... Shit b. (C) I am not reporting a MANPADS, of course. What is more serious? What a mistake to school! Can not be.
  39. honest people
    honest people 12 January 2020 11: 06
    +2
    after Iran publicly admitted that because of a human error, air defense forces shot down a Ukrainian passenger plane, protests broke out in a number of cities in the country;
    Students in the local university of Amir Kabir took to the streets in Tehran. They first held a candlelight rally in memory, and then began to chant “death to the dictator” and “resignation is not enough, we need a court,” Bloomberg writes citing eyewitnesses. “Why should I vote for this regime? I do not trust them (Forbes authorities). They lied to us about the plane crash. Why should I believe them when they do not trust people to tell the truth? ”, One of the students quoted Reuters as saying. The protesters demanded the resignation of the country's leadership, who were called "oppressors" and chanted anti-government slogans, describes the Financial Times;
    Protesters shouted slogans against the country's top leaders and tore images of General Kassem Suleymani, who was killed in a U.S. air attack on January 3, wrote Reuters with reference to the Fars Iranian agency. According to him, from 700 to 1000 people participated in the protests. According to CNN, several thousand people gathered near the university. “They staged a carnival for three days for one person (Suleimani's funeral - Forbes), but they lied about 176 people for three days. We came here only to grieve, but now we are full of anger and hatred, ”one of the protesters told The Wall Street Journal. “If it were an internal flight, we would never know the truth,” added another protester;

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1216004196077592579
  40. uizik
    uizik 12 January 2020 12: 47
    -1
    Iranians have counted anti-aircraft missiles in their divisions? What if everything is in place! What then? Putin is to blame ?! (just kidding!). The Anglo-Saxons worked perfectly. Spitting on all sorts of laws, morality and the international community destroyed the general of the IRGC. While the "world" was outraged and condemned the US perfidy, the vector of their indignation and condemnation was shifted to another direction with a skilful hand. Somehow a passenger plane "fell" in time. And very quickly Iran admitted that it was "their handiwork". The result of the United States is fighters for democracy and they are right about everything. Iran is a terrorist country. That's the way to work! Such scenarios are too tough for Russian specialists! If Russia aspires to become a full member of the Western community. Then let him act according to their rules. Live with wolves, howl like a wolf!
  41. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 12 January 2020 17: 50
    0
    On December 8, 2017, the head of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), at the cyber summit on cyber security, admitted that he and his team of experts were able to remotely hack the Boeing 757 system of the old release model, writes aviationtoday.com.

    The hacking of the Boeing 757 itself did not take place in the laboratory, but right next to the parked plane at Atlantic City Airport. The details of the hack were kept secret, but it was said that the aircraft system got through radio frequency communication.

    It was noted that to correct one line of the problematic code on aircraft equipment, the airline needed to spend about $ 1 million and a year of development. For many airlines, this could potentially be a step towards bankruptcy.
  42. Signore Tomato
    Signore Tomato 12 January 2020 18: 41
    0
    Interestingly, the authors of the article expected that after the aircraft cabin practically ceased to exist, the transponder should continue to work? Or does the fried name completely completely supplant all thoughts from the head of journalism?
  43. huntsman650
    huntsman650 13 January 2020 00: 31
    0
    15 kg of a high-explosive fragmentation warhead exploded at a maximum of 20 m from the cab
  44. andrew42
    andrew42 13 January 2020 11: 33
    0
    The "sudden" recognition of the Iranian authorities about the defeat of their own missile is very embarrassing. "We are so honest, so honest! Give good and important sanctions!" Prior to this "recognition", it assumed the actions of an enemy DRG from Iranian territory, either with MANPADS, or with the capture of the air defense missile system / control interception. After this "sudden" recognition, it additionally became obvious that "not everything is so glorious in the kingdom" of Iran. Nevertheless, it is the least of all to believe in the mess of the air defense squad. Either foreign agents, coupled with the opposition, or mercenaries.
  45. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 14 January 2020 04: 07
    0
    I think that the launch of the rocket was not an accident. But ............ Not so long ago, in Syria our plane Il 20 was shot down by Syrian air defense. Everyone remembers the situation. Israeli pilots took cover. The usual setup. So the question arises: was there a similar setup on the part of the United States?
    There is talk of UAVs and cruise missiles ...... the US does not provide satellite data ........ The modest behavior of the United States in the early hours. (they were waiting for the situation to develop).
    I think that if you delve into this direction, you can find quite a lot of interesting things ....... IMHO hi