In Iran, a specific person claimed responsibility for a downed Boeing

President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky will issue an appeal to the nation in connection with striking a passenger airliner following the Tehran-Kiev route. Today, it should be recalled, the General Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces recognized the random factor of the missile attack of the aircraft, noting that this mistake was the result of the American provocation in the region related to the elimination of Al-Quds commander General Suleymani.

Office of the President of Ukraine Vladimir Zelensky:

President of Ukraine Vladimir Zelensky will appeal to the Ukrainian people in connection with the situation with the downing of an UIA plane in Tehran.

It is noted that the video message will take place after consultations of the head of state with a group of Ukrainian experts working on the site of the tragedy in Iran, international partners, as well as a telephone conversation with Iranian President Hassan Rouhani, which (conversation) is scheduled for 17:00 (Kiev) on Saturday.

Meanwhile, it became known that a specific person in Iran claimed responsibility for the strike on the Boeing 737. This is the commander of the aerospace forces of the IRGC Amir Ali Hajizade.

His statement is quoted by Tasnim, an Iranian information service:

In this situation, I personally take responsibility for the fact that the Ukrainian passenger plane was unintentionally shot down in our airspace.

World media have noted the unprecedented openness of Iran, its political and military command in connection with the strike on the Boeing.

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[evgen1221]

Learn the mattresses of democracy like real men and wars must behave!

[Po-tzan]

Quote: evgen1221

Learn the mattresses of democracy like real men and wars must behave!

Well done Iranians! And then Amers circled a horse around the finger!

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: PO-tzan

Quote: evgen1221

Learn the mattresses of democracy like real men and wars must behave!

Well done Iranians! And then Amers circled a horse around the finger!

How did you decide that the decent behavior of the Iranians is an attempt to circle someone around the finger?

[krot]

All power is in truth!
And for the top of the Sumerians - remember the death of our Tu-154 over the Black Sea. After all, they did not admit that they shot down by mistake!

[Victoria-V]

Why again to distribute unconfirmed information? After all, it is known that: The exercises were joint Russian-Ukrainian. Starts were made from a landfill owned by the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation. Russia did not object to the termination of the investigation. Putin denied the involvement of the Ukrainian military in the fall of the Tu-154. As a result, the only known fact at the present moment is that the culprit of the tragedy is not known.

[krot]

Putin denied Ukrainian military involvement in Tu-154 crash

When was this? Is there a video? Or another fake ..?

After all, it is known that: The exercises were joint Russian-Ukrainian.

And about this the first time I hear that the exercises are joint, or that ours drove equipment there for air defense! Are there arguments for the video, or are the Sumerian tales just arguments?
Or do you think our observers at these exercises at the headquarters of the Ukrainian military reason that the exercises are joint? So we also invite NATO countries as observers to our exercises and they are not participants in them. And not all of them know what’s going on, but they’ll just be allowed to see them ..)

[Victoria-V]

Have you fallen from the stove? Our landfill, Russian. In Crimea. Black Sea Fleet. Do you have Google or Yandex?

[krot]

From the stove it seems that only the Sumerians are falling. And I didn’t pass over to you! When there were exercises, in the Crimea the owners were Sumerians ..
Where is Putin's recognition video? Feykomety continuous!

[Victoria-V]

I do not pass on to you. Just answer: Do you know how to use Yandex?

[krot]

Quote: Victoria-In

Have you fallen from the stove?

And didn’t it personally concern me, madame? In my opinion, you turned to the individual .. Just like in the rest, the fake is solid ..
Use Yandex? Do you want to arrange personal correspondence here? Where are the facts, not the questions for me?

[Victoria-V]

https://birdinflight.com/ru/mir/20161005-10-faktov-o-vzryve-tu154.html

[krot]

Quote: Victoria-In

https://birdinflight.com/ru/mir/20161005-10-faktov-o-vzryve-tu154.html
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Who is Ivan Siyak at all? )))) Who writes this .. I won’t even read .. Or is this an official of Ukraine? Open the Wikipedia and read it!

[Commissar77]

For what could he mistake a civilian plane - for a cruise missile, for a fighter, maybe for a drone? It could hardly be a Tomahawk-type cruise missile, it will not fly at an altitude of 2,5 kilometers. The speed of the plane was, in my opinion, 140 meters per second, fighters do not fly so slowly.

A drone also usually does not fly in someone else's airspace (although anything happens). In principle, if the operator had a head on his shoulders, and he slept enough and was in a fairly adequate condition, it seems to me that he should have come to the conclusion that there could be nothing but a civilian aircraft.

The standard algorithm for the operation of such systems is a password sent in response to a request from the ground (and these passwords, of course, are regularly changed), such a system may not exist on civil aircraft. Rather, I am inclined to believe that if the Torah operators did not receive signals from the aircraft's transponder and did not receive information from the airport about departing aircraft, they might by default not know that this aircraft is "theirs." For such a case, this combat vehicle has a television-optical sighting device, which allows optical observation with target acquisition. If this sight worked, and the operator knew how to use it, then, probably, according to the procedure, he would have to see what was flying and see the air navigation lights of the passenger liner.

[venik]

Quote: Military Commissar77

The standard algorithm for the operation of such systems is the password sent in response to a request from the ground (and these passwords, of course, change regularly)

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Of course, I’m not such an air defense specialist, but as far as I know, transponders on civilian sides work just on FIXED frequencies with STANDARD codes, which (unlike military aircraft) unchanging and contain information that the board - civil, type of aircraft and nationality!
Somewhere like that!

[Spambox]

The transponder transmits a 4-digit code that the pilot sets in accordance with a useful task, there are different codes, for example, in case of a plane hijacking or loss of radio communications, the pilot can manually set the event code

[venik]

Quote: Spambox

The transponder transmits a 4-digit code that the pilot sets in accordance with a useful task; there are different codes, for example, in case of hijacking or loss of radio communication

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Anton! This is exactly what I meant! "Passengers" cannot be confused with the MILITARY "boards" in any way!
THERE was something NOT SO !!!

[Victoria-V]

https://www.newsru.com/russia/04oct2001/tu154_pu.html Это слова Путина.

[krot]

Quote: Victoria-In

https://www.newsru.com/russia/04oct2001/tu154_pu.html Это слова Путина.

I requested a video, not a link to fake news. The yellow press is still not writing.

[Victoria-V]

On the day of the crash, Vladimir Putin said that the Ukrainian air defense forces could not bring down the Tu-154 during the exercises: "According to the tactical and technical data, the weapons used at that time could not get the air corridors in which our aircraft was located." “It is possible that this was the result of a terrorist attack,” he said at a meeting with EU justice ministers.

[krot]

Quote: Victoria-In

“It is possible that this was the result of a terrorist attack”

Yeah, maybe aliens ..

[Victoria-V]

Why are you laughing at Putin's words? I do not laugh at the words of your Zelensky.

[Tersky]

Quote: Victoria-In

On the day of the crash, Vladimir Putin said that the Ukrainian air defense forces could not bring down the Tu-154 during the exercises: "According to the tactical and technical data, the weapons used at that time could not get the air corridors in which our aircraft was located." “It is possible that this was the result of a terrorist attack,”

On October 24, Ukrainian President Leonid Kuchma verbally confirmed that the crash of the Russian Tu-154 was the result of an unintentional missile hit against Ukraine. "What, are we the first or the last? There is no need to make a tragedy out of this if there is some mistake. Mistakes happen everywhere, and not only on this scale, but on a much larger planetary scale."

[Victoria-V]

The depth of the S-200 zone of damage: from 7 km to 200 km for early, and up to 255 km for later modifications. Does this mean something to you? Do you know the distance from Cape Opuk to the place of Tu-154 destruction?

[venik]

Quote: Victoria-In

Depth. C-200 lesion zones: from 7 km to 200 km for the early ones, and up to 255 km for the later versions. Does this mean something to you? Do you know the distance from Cape Opuk to the place of Tu-154 destruction?

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Right! Absolutely right! Did you know that the technical range of a 5V28 / 5V28M rocket is about 300 km, which exactly corresponds to the distance to the point of destruction of the "carcass" and fits well into the version of "retargeting" the missile after a miss on the target.

[the most important]

Quote: venik

Did you know that the technical flight range of the 5V28 / 5V28M missile is about 300 km, which exactly corresponds to the distance to the point of destruction of the "carcass" and fits well into the version of the "retargeting" of the missile after a miss on the target.

Who are you explaining to? He can’t be explained, there’s a song in his head. It is a well-known fact that Ukraine ACKNOWLEDGED its blame for the downed plane in front of Israel (and there were many Israelis) and paid them compensation. But about Russia did not recognize !! And no one tried in Russia (from those sitting on the thrones) to recover for the dead at least something .... This is a disgrace to the Ukrainian air defense and a disgrace to the Russian authorities for such an attitude towards their dead citizens. And for the plane blown up over Sinai avenged ??? Satanovsky has long said (and he is the smartest in the affairs of this region) that Qatar is behind the explosion, in the person of its intelligence. Well, where is the blow to Qatar ??? And for the plane shot down by the Turks, Russia builds for its (for our taxes) nuclear plant for the Turks for 25 wagons of greenery and a pipeline, and sold an air defense system for its own credit ....

[venik]

Quote: the most important

It is a well-known fact that Ukraine ACKNOWLEDGED its blame for the downed plane in front of Israel (and there were many Israelis) and paid them compensation. But about Russia did not recognize !!

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Alas! You're wrong!:
".....Ukraine in 2003 signed intergovernmental agreements with Russia and Israel on compensation for the relatives of those killed in a plane crash without legal admission of guilt. In accordance with these agreements, Ukraine paid 200 thousand US dollars for each victim - 7,8 million dollars in Russia and $ 7,5 million to Israel...... "
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Quote: the most important

Who are you explaining to? He can’t be explained, there’s a song in his head.

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I agree! 100% !!! Try to explain something to a person who claims that "...a significant part of it (rockets) is made of floating materials ....". Interestingly - made of wood or foam? ... This is a DIAGNOSIS !!!

[venik]

Quote: krot

And about this the first time I hear that the exercises are joint, or that ours drove equipment there for air defense!

Quote: krot

Or do you think our observers at these exercises at the headquarters of the Ukrainian military reason that the exercises are joint?

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You are mistaken, Paul!
In these exercises, ONE Russian complex "Osa" (or "Osa-AK" and the TFR "Pytlivy" (with the complexes "Osa-M". "Osa-M"), incidentally, was fired on October 4 (by the way, and struck her at a distance of 9 km from the test site ... On this, in general, the Russian participation in the exercises ended ...

[krot]

Quote: venik

On this, in general, the Russian participation in the exercises ended .....

I already said this, that joint exercises can only be called formally .. Rather, a tribute to the country where we rented Crimean bases and training grounds .. But this was not true for a long time)

[Tersky]

Quote: Victoria-In

After all, it is known that: The exercises were joint Russian-Ukrainian.

Not really? Exercises were held on the territory of Cape Opuk in Crimea Air defense of Ukraineattended by including foreign observers. What joint exercises are you trying to tell us about?

Quote: Victoria-In

Why again to distribute unconfirmed information?

Ask this question to yourself and the command of the Armed Forces, which recognized the fact of the exercises, the actual conduct of firing in the specified area, and the loss of control over the fired missile from the combat calculation of the air defense system.

Quote: Victoria-In

the only known fact at the present moment is that the culprit of the tragedy is not known.

Of course unknown Especially if we consider that following the results of the official investigation of the tragedy in the skies over the Black Sea, many high-ranking military personnel of Ukraine who had even an indirect relationship to the downed Russian plane "resigned". And where do we go to the data of American tracking and warning systems. They immediately and without hesitation pointed to the Ukrainian origin of the missile that shot down the plane taking off from Tel Aviv.

[Victoria-V]

The coast of Cape Opuk is the farthest range of the 810th Marine Brigade of the Black Sea Fleet of the Black Sea Fleet. Three kilometers west of the cape is an air defense force training ground.

[Tersky]

Quote: Victoria-In

The coast of Cape Opuk is the farthest range of the 810th Marine Brigade of the Black Sea Fleet of the Black Sea Fleet. Three kilometers west of the cape is an air defense force training ground.

So what? Tired of repeating that exercises were held on the territory of the cape that day Air defense of Ukraine... They put on another window dressing for President Kuchma and heaps of foreign observers. And the "troupe" was conducted by the Minister of Defense of Ukraine, General of the Army Kuzmuk, with him were the Commander-in-Chief of the Air Defense of Ukraine, Colonel-General Vladimir Tkachev and his deputy for combat training, Lieutenant General Vladimir Dyakov, and the commander of the 49th Ukrainian corps, Lieutenant General Kalinyuk. Kuchma was saved only by the fact that he "got sick" the day before (this often happened to him) and did not arrive at the test site.

[Victoria-V]

"data from American tracking and warning systems" - until recently you suggested sending such data to one place. Everything changed ?

[Tersky]

Quote: Victoria-In

until recently, you suggested sending such data to one place.

Pretty hackneyed and worn-out trick from svidomity and internettroll. Victoria-V, congratulations !!! , the drain took place.

[Overlock]

Quote: Victoria-In

three minutes before the explosion, Ukrainian radar equipment was turned off

illumination was carried out by an air defense locator from Yevpatoriya. They were just curious. The head of the S-200 grabbed the backlight.

[krot]

"data from American tracking and warning systems" - until recently you suggested sending such data to one place. Everything changed ?

Nothing has changed! Absolutely) Striped as they missed all up to one Iran missile, and so did. They showed themselves completely in this! A bloated army designed to cut the budget. But not for real war.

[venik]

Quote: Tersky

Not really? On the territory of Cape Opuk in the Crimea, air defense exercises of Ukraine were held, which were attended, including by foreign observers. What joint exercises are you trying to tell us about?

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Victor! Actually: "...From the Russian side, one battery of the Osa air defense missile system and the Pytlivy patrol ship participated in the exercises... ..... "(Dyakov V. V." Military Behind the Scenes at the End of Epochs "). So here you are a little wrong!

[shurik]

Why again to distribute unconfirmed information? Excuse me, have you yet left the holidays ???

The exercises were joint Russian-Ukrainian. Starts were made from a landfill owned by the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation.

???????

[Victoria-V]

On October 4, near the 31st Research Center of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation (Cape Opuk), exercises of the Air Defense Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were held, in which the forces and means of the air defense forces of the three operational commands of the Ground Forces of Ukraine, the Naval Forces of Ukraine, the Missile Forces and artillery, as well as units of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation, in particular, coastal troops and the patrol ship “Inquisitive”

[krot]

That's what you crucify? Wikipedia open and see who shot down the Tu-154 over the Black Sea in 2001. Air defense was the Sumerians, ours only provided a training ground ..
You write:

in particular, coastal troops and the escort ship “Inquisitive”

so the "Pytlivy" - "wasp" only hits 15 km, if they hinted at its air defense .. Or our coastal troops were supplied in 2001 with air defense, capable of working for 200 km? If you were hinting that we could shoot him down ourselves.

[krot]

Quote: Victoria-In

The following facts were established during the investigation:

We know about the Sumerian investigation, how Olesya Buzina, the burning in Odessa, your hundred "heavenly" ones were investigated and are still being investigated. Or Babchenko, allegedly killed by our GRU))
Wikipedia, beloved by you, to help you, I say the same!

[shurik]

The following facts were established during the investigation:

[Victoria-V]

The depth of the S-200 zone of damage: from 7 km to 200 km for early, and up to 255 km for later modifications. Does this mean something to you? Do you know the distance from Cape Opuk to the place of Tu-154 destruction?

[musketon64]

From the wreckage of Tu-154 raised from the bottom of the Black Sea, the striking elements from the S-200 were removed. Such matters, however.

[Prisoner]

Just do not lie. https://www.ufa.kp.ru/daily/26589/3605266/

[Shelest2000]

after an investigation that admitted the guilt of the Sumerians in the death of our liner, they, the Sumerians, conducted their own "investigation", which found that there was no objective evidence that it was their missile. Well, their prezik, with the muzzle of the face of a heavily drinking tractor driver, gave out the vile phrase "Don't make a tragedy out of this."

[venik]

Quote: krot

And for the top of the Sumerians - remember the death of our Tu-154 over the Black Sea. After all, they did not admit that they shot down by mistake!

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In fairness, it should be noted that you not quite right!:
"...President of Ukraine Leonid Kuchma acknowledged Ukraine’s responsibility for the incident and dismissed the Minister of Defense [8] [9]. During the investigation, three generals were dismissed (including Colonel-General Vladimir Tkachev, Commander of the Ukrainian Air Defense Forces) and a number of senior officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine... Ukraine in 2003 signed intergovernmental agreements with Russia and Israel on compensation for the relatives of those killed in a plane crash without legal admission of guilt. In accordance with these agreements, Ukraine paid 200 thousand US dollars for each victim - 7,8 million dollars to Russia and 7,5 million dollars to Israel. ..... "

It's just that now the "ukropatriots" are again raising a boil like: "We are not to blame! Nothing has been proven!" etc.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: krot

And for the top of the Sumerians - remember the death of our Tu-154 over the Black Sea. After all, they did not admit that they shot down by mistake!

But just now a statement by Ukrainian pastor Turchinov appeared

Ex-Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council (NSDC) of Ukraine Oleksandr Turchynov called for blaming the collapse of the Ukrainian Boeing not only on Iran, but also on Russia

[Simargl]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

How did you decide that the decent behavior of the Iranians is an attempt to circle someone around the finger?

So many options for accusations were scrapped (especially for the uninformed: to piss off is to cross it out, with the letter X, which in the Old Russian alphabet was called "her", and all other options are lack of culture and a sick imagination) ...

[tlauicol]

Quote: PO-tzan

Quote: evgen1221

Learn the mattresses of democracy like real men and wars must behave!

Well done Iranians! And then Amers circled a horse around the finger!

After a few days of talking "I am not me and the horse is not mine"

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Tlauicol

After a few days of talking

On January 8, he was shot down, and on the morning of the 11th, they recognized what few days? two days have not passed.

[tlauicol]

Three days, and recognition would have been enough for an hour

Quote: Pedrodepackes

Quote: Tlauicol

After a few days of talking

On January 8, he was shot down, and on the morning of the 11th, they recognized what few days? two days have not passed.

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Tlauicol

Three days

On January 9, the United States decided to send a representative to investigate a plane crash in Iran. On the same day, Boeing Corporation expressed its willingness to assist in the investigation.
On January 10, the wreckage of a crashed plane was collected and taken to the hangar to reconstruct the aircraft and investigate the cause of the crash.

those. the investigation began only on the 10th, until that time it was fortune telling on coffee grounds.

Quote: Tlauicol

recognition would have been enough for an hour

recognition of what?

[Sky strike fighter]

Confused the plane with a cruise missile.

MOSCOW, Jan 11 - RIA News. Iran’s air defense system mistook the Ukrainian plane for a cruise missile, Amir Ali Hajizade, commander of the military space forces of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, said at a press conference.
He added that the target was 19 kilometers away. The operator of the air defense system lost contact with the command and made the decision to launch on his own. He had 10 seconds to decide whether to shoot down the target or not, and, according to Hajizade, he "made a bad choice."

https://ria.ru/20200111/1563284980.html

[atalef]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Confused the plane with a cruise missile.

Persians Damn
As a mark for / Suleymani - over 50 Iranians died in a crush, fired at Amers - without killing and not injuring at least one, dropping a civilian line with 176 ludmies in the middle.
Avenged so avenged
while 3 days telling tales of how amers rolled to zero
by the way

Meanwhile, it became known thatliability for the strike on the Boeing 737 took on a specific person in Iran. This is the commander of the aerospace forces of the IRGC Amir Ali Hajizade.

simultaneously

The commander of the aerospace forces of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Brigadier General Amir Ali Hajizadeh withsummarized the sensational details of the attack on American bases
“We did not set ourselves the goal of killing as many American soldiers as possible, although dozens of wounded and killed US troops were removed from the base with nine S-130 transport flights, ”said Hajizadeh.

He declared, that Iran prepared to launch hundreds of missiles shortly after the first strike and thousands during the alleged clashes with the United States in the following days..

muzhik
yap - yap.

[krot]

After a few days of talking "I am not me and the horse is not mine"

And the Sumerians still, for more than 10 years, behave this way on the Tu-154 they shot down over the Black Sea! Why can they, but not an Iranian? Iranians are handsome in this regard! Recognized almost immediately ..

[Victoria-V]

Why again to distribute unconfirmed information? After all, it is known that: The exercises were joint Russian-Ukrainian. Starts were made from a landfill owned by the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation. Russia did not object to the termination of the investigation. Putin denied the involvement of the Ukrainian military in the Tu-154 crash. As a result, the only known fact at the moment is that the perpetrator of the tragedy is not known.

[krot]

Putin denied Ukrainian military involvement in Tu-154 crash

When did he deny this? Have a video or a fake?

[Victoria-V]

Joint exercises for firing from ground and naval anti-aircraft missile systems were conducted at the range of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation at Cape Opuk in Crimea. A total of 23 missiles were fired. The Ukrainian authorities closed the firing sector for flights within their jurisdiction. The Siberia Airlines plane exploded and crashed in the area of ​​responsibility of the Russian North Caucasus Air Traffic Control Center, which did not prohibit the passage of passenger flights in this area.

[krot]

Victoria-V, give a link to the documents, or is it your fantasy that works like that, or is your Ukrainian media disseminating this? Or documents are classified, and you alone in the know? )

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: krot

After a few days of talking "I am not me and the horse is not mine"

And the Sumerians still, for more than 10 years, behave this way on the Tu-154 they shot down over the Black Sea! Why can they, but not an Iranian? Iranians are handsome in this regard! Recognized almost immediately ..

And not only according to TU-154. They are on the Boeing over the Donbass in denial go, in the hope that their mattresses will be covered forever.

[alexmach]

As a mark for / Suleymani - over 50 Iranians died in a crush, fired at Amers - without killing and not injuring at least one, dropping a civilian line with 176 ludmies in the middle.
Avenged so avenged laughing

Dance on the bones and don’t forget to put more emoticons. Then be surprised why no one loves your brother in the world. Inhumans.

[bober1982]

Quote: alexmach

Then be surprised why no one loves your brother in the world.

This is all because the Jews are a complex, difficult, psychological formation (according to one of the great Russian Patriarchs, Alexy I Symansky)
Yes, the Patriarch said, of course, the Jews are horrible. How many problems with them! But think: after all, this is despite the fact that they are God's chosen, and to what end. And if God had not chosen them, then what happened? Even worse.
Patriarch Alexy I, holder of the medal "For the Defense of Leningrad" and four orders of the "Red Banner of Labor"

[Dur_mod]

Atalef, then you forgive me for crap in full, or do you personally the Americans report on their dead and wounded. Our former Porosyushenko, also wanted to hang a downed Boeing on Russia and shoto your laudatory mattress companions and all-knowing Israelis together made a bunch in a puddle ...

[Alex Justice]

cruise missile flew from the airport.

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Pedrodepackes

recognition of what?

Are you seriously writing now? The Iranians shot down a Boeing and knew in the very first hours after this incident, senior officials and the military command for sure. But consciously they tried to drag out time and denied any involvement, but as it turned out to fake the data, it was impossible, even they could not decrypt the black boxes, and transferring it to third parties in other countries is the same as admitting guilt. Therefore, in Iran, they thought, thought, realized that there was no way to hide here and decided to confess.

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Aleksandr21

Iranians shot down a Boeing and knew in the very first hours after this incident

where from? Who told them? The calculation opened fire on the American object moving to the protected area and reported this. Or do you seriously believe that you didn’t decide to fill up a civilian plane specifically?

[atalef]

Quote: Pedrodepackes

Calculation opened fireabout the american objectmoving to a protected area and report about itл

epic

American facility?
And who reported?

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: atalef

American facility?
And who reported?

And where, excuse me, they launched their missiles, not at the facilities of the US Army in Iraq, from whom else would there be any answers? From the Martians? In your opinion, then who were they aiming at?

[atalef]

Quote: Pedrodepackes

And where, excuse me, they launched their missiles, not at the facilities of the US Army in Iraq, from whom else would there be any answers? From the Martians? In your opinion, then who were they aiming at?

in Boeing, aiming and hit.
There was nothing else there.

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: atalef

There was nothing else there.

yeah, it’s easy to reason, sitting on the couch, having ready-made information

[Shteffan]

What are you arguing about? object parameters are known? are known. the height is 2,4 km and it is gaining. speed is 400-600 km / h, EPR is like that of the B52. the question is, what’s the cruise missile here ??? WHERE? parameters to (altitude-50m, speed 800-900km / h, EPR is very small. WHICH DEBIL NEED TO BE MIXED KR AND PASSENGER BOEING ???

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Steffan

What are you arguing about?

another friendship drew Kind. I didn’t drink at the Brudershaft either.

Quote: Steffan

EPR like B52. Question - What’s the cruise missile here?

why the cruise missile at once, maybe even bigger, in any case, the situation is nervous, there is no connection, but 10 seconds for reflection. it's good at home on the couch to talk about EPR.

[Shteffan]

What is the nervous situation? the calculation is 30 km from the airport. They EVERY HOUR THAT ON THIS SIDE TAKES OFF AND GOES WITH A SET DIRECTLY ONE OF THEM. EVERY HOUR.

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Steffan

Are you talking nonsense,

my young friend, you are addressed to older people and strangers rather than yelling with a caps. Or is it your after Saturday tremor in your fingers?

Quote: Steffan

What is the nervous situation?

delve into the topic, young man, and then you will ask such stupid questions, but for now I will not go into useless discussions with you for

Quote: Steffan

Are you talking nonsense

[Shteffan]

For you have nothing to cover. By topic. And correctly, when a person realized that he had written ravings, then the main thing is to leave the topic in time so that you don’t get any deeper into it.

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Steffan

For you have nothing to cover

there really is nothing to cover your nonsense, and why not, because you don’t want to descend to your level.

Quote: Steffan

here the main thing is to move off the topic in time so as not to get involved even deeper

well, take a rest, otherwise irreversible consequences may occur with the rest of your brain.

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: atalef

in Boeing, aiming

and between us girls, saying, do not tell WHY ?? Well, the Boeing would have been American, and there were just Persians passengers. Beat your own so that strangers are afraid?

[atalef]

Quote: Pedrodepackes

Quote: atalef

in Boeing, aiming

and between us girls, saying, do not tell WHY ?? Well, the Boeing would have been American, and there were just Persians passengers. Beat your own so that strangers are afraid?

From the Syrians learned

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: atalef

From the Syrians learned

so the Syrians are also random

[atalef]

Quote: Pedrodepackes

Quote: atalef

From the Syrians learned

so the Syrians are also random

To understand - to forgive

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: atalef

To understand - to forgive

not funny

[sabakina]

Quote: atalef

epic American facility?
And who reported?

An object. Atalef, stop pretending to be a girl.

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Pedrodepackes

where from? Who told them? The calculation opened fire on the American object moving to the protected area and reported this.

And to compare the data is not fate? The calculation immediately reported the attack and the information went up, or do you think the Iranians were looking for a non-existent US plane for 3 days but did not see the fallen Boeing point-blank? When even the residents of Tehran filmed a video of a rocket hitting a plane.

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Aleksandr21

And to compare the data is not fate?

and this is called fortune-telling on coffee grounds.

Quote: Aleksandr21

or do you think the Iranians were looking for a non-existent US plane for 3 days but didn’t see the fallen Boeing point-blank?

and they were looking for him?

Quote: Aleksandr21

When even the residents of Tehran filmed a video of a rocket hitting a plane.

and you, that on the video discerned what kind of object it was, and it became clear to you that this is a civilian Boeing? And residents, breaking their legs, rushed to the air defense headquarters to report on the situation? This video surfaced on the 10th, and even then they did not believe him, you never know where it can be photographed.

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Pedrodepackes

and you, that on the video discerned what kind of object it was, and it became clear to you that this is a civilian Boeing? And residents, breaking their legs, rushed to the air defense headquarters to report on the situation? This video surfaced on the 10th, and even then they did not believe him, you never know where it can be photographed.

Listen to the conversation is not serious, I honestly do not even want to argue, because the situation is clear to thinking people. The fact that a Boeing was shot down as a result of an error is certain, but the fact that the information did not reach the top management in the first hours, I won’t believe it. All the same, the center of the capital, and there every missile launch is monitored and the IRGC obviously quickly found out that they shot down ....

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Aleksandr21

Listen to a conversation not serious

certainly not serious, really

Quote: Aleksandr21

information did not reach the top management in the first hours

Quote: Aleksandr21

I will not believe.

your right

[Aerodrome]

as after a "bad corporate party" ... I think ... I will smoke ... wait for the passions to subside ... a lot of passions and a lot of presentation. let's be quiet for a bit ..

[tarakan]

Do you know the word bureaucracy, investigation?

[YOUR]

To the Americans in 1988, it took a week to admit that they shot down the Iranian A-300. And what is surprising, the actions of the commander of the cruiser were recognized as correct, he was awarded the Legion of Honor.

[marshes]

Quote: YOUR

And what is surprising, the actions of the commander of the cruiser were recognized as correct, he was awarded the Legion of Honor.

What did the French award him?

[YOUR]

I agree with the criticism. Hastened to write. The Order is called the Legion of Merit, a US military award given to members of the US Armed Forces and members of friendly nations for exceptional and distinguished service and achievement in emergency service.

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: YOUR

awarded the Legion of Honor.

Did the French award him? or all the same we are talking about the Order of the Legion of Honor

[alexmach]

Three days, and recognition would have been enough for an hour

You are raving. It was a normal delay, at first they figured out what happened, then they gathered with courage. Nothing unusual.

[Alex Justice]

You are raving. It was a normal delay, at first they figured out what happened, then they gathered with courage. Nothing unusual.

Then why did they make an official statement that they had nothing to do with it? They could say that they are investigating the situation, but they haven’t lied. When they realized that they were caught, they confessed.

[alexmach]

Then why did they make an official statement that they had nothing to do with it? Could say that they are investigating the situation, but no, they lied

Maybe at the time of the statement they still did not know what they themselves had shot down.

[Bshkaus]

On January 8, he was shot down, and on the morning of the 11th, they recognized what few days? two days have not passed.

Yes, only you forget that there was an air defense calculation and the people who made the fatal launch of the rocket and all this time knew for sure that they destroyed the passenger plane, but were silent, or thought that the physical disappearance of the rocket at the launcher would go unnoticed?

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Bshkaus

you forget that there was an air defense calculation and the people who made the fatal launch of the rocket and all this time knew for sure that they destroyed the passenger plane,

At least one sober on this site. I’m already trying to hammer into this about a person, they think that such a large-scale incident is akin to a naughty kid in a kindergarten.

[cost]

In this situation, I personally take responsibility for the fact that the Ukrainian passenger plane was unintentionally shot down in our airspace.

This is what a real commander should be. General’s deed respects

[Alex Justice]

I would like to receive information from him why he decided to bring down a target that was coming from the airport.
Perhaps he decided that the Americans had come from the airport, a military trick.

[alexmach]

Well done Iranians! And then Amers circled a horse around the finger!

Well done, well done, well done, a couple of days preparing an answer and not a single American was injured as a result of an effective missile strike, but failed one and a half hundred of their own citizens ... By the way, the rest of the citizens of Canada and other Europe who traveled to Iran in New Year’s wounds from there.

[Alex Justice]

But America’s authority in the world has fallen dramatically. Perhaps this outweighs the loss.

[Siberian]

On the very first day, a list of dead passengers was published - all Arabic surnames and names.
You’re so emotional here, well, they’ll practice and learn everything, the whole Arbish world is also very emotional. Cold calculation and many hours of thought are alien to them.
Something else is not converging: the plane in Ukraine was delayed for an hour for a good reason - it turned out - overload! When check-in took place and luggage was loaded on board, we thought that the scales were joking? If so, each flight will be handled, how is it so different from Iranian air defense?

[alexmach]

On the very first day, a list of dead passengers was published - all Arabic surnames and names

The dead undoubtedly feel sorry for whatever names, which by the way, and Ukrainian also occur.

Something else is not converging: the plane in Ukraine was delayed for an hour for a good reason - it turned out - overload

An ordinary event, airports often delay departures.

they will practice and learn everything

It would be better to learn without killing your own citizens.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Rudel

After all, for the Malaysian Boeing brought down by Russia, so no one was held responsible.

And do you have evidence that it was Russia that shot down the Malaysian Boeing?

[Polkanov]

... sucking from a finger - an eka is unseen, but he didn’t try below?

[Cruel beaver]

the question is how much lower?

[mikstepanenko]

Here are some facts. After this Boeing was shot down, the Ukrainian artillery began to intensively "plow" the area of ​​the disaster. Despite the fact that before that no one was interested in this patch, the nearest militia positions on Saur-Mogila were several kilometers away. This lasted two weeks. Why bother to destroy evidence? Further. They took the wreckage to the Netherlands and immediately published their photos, then these photos were deleted. The same question, why? I then downloaded two hundred of these photos for myself, but now I don't have them, it was a computer with a loss of information. And the photos were very interesting. Cockpit trim, left side. Numerous shrapnel holes, two weeks of shelling. And a row of round holes, just the size of an aircraft cannon. And the cockpit is all covered in blood. There are no traces of blood anywhere else on the plane, but this is a separate conversation. And the most interesting thing is that there were NO characteristic-shaped holes from the striking elements of an anti-aircraft missile. On the right side, wing and fuselage, traces of the striking elements of an air-to-air missile. These are rods, not to be confused with anti-aircraft missile cubes. They took away the wreckage, kept it for a year, and then showed it to the world. The lining of the cockpit, left side, holes appeared from the damaging elements of an anti-aircraft missile. That is, they assembled a mock-up, brought in and detonated a warhead. But they did not take into account that missiles of this type have been written off in Russia for 15 years. In old missiles, the profile of the striking elements is I-beam, and in some holes it is clearly imprinted. And those that Russia have cubes. Well, they found parts with the number of the warhead in the wreckage, because it was really blown up. And then the military bureaucracy in the Russian Federation raised the archives ... and oh, horror, this rocket was delivered to Lvov during the Soviet Union. Further, four years later, they finally found an anti-aircraft missile protractor at the crash site. The engine actually worked (at the stand), the nozzle was burnt. But the warhead on it did not explode, the place of its attachment to the engine is pristine. And questions about Captain Voloshin. And where did he do air-to-air missiles. He took off with rockets, returned without them. And why were such missiles suspended from his attack aircraft? The excuse about the low ceiling of the attack aircraft is not accepted, an oxygen mask was enough to increase it.
We continue. Immediately after the crash, the SBU said - we intercepted the negotiations of the terrorists in which they confess to the destruction of a civilian aircraft and we published them on YouTube. So that everyone can listen. But again, they did not take into account that on YouTube you can not only listen but also download. And carry out an examination that proved that this is an installation. And you can also see the properties of the file. Horror, horror ... it was created the day BEFORE the disaster. Who could know about her in advance? Only the organizer. They pierced quite rudely, having published this entry on YouTube two hours before the disaster.
Continue???

[atalef]

Quote: mikstepanenko

Here are some facts. After this Boeing was shot down, the Ukrainian artillery began to intensively "plow" the area of ​​the disaster. This lasted two weeks.

You’ll somehow agree among yourself, the previous commentator claimed they bombed for 2 days.
Or maybe they didn’t bomb at all 7 And if they bombed then why did everything survive?

Quote: mikstepanenko

Further. The debris was taken to the Netherlands and their photos were immediately published, then these photos were deleted. The same question, why?

Are there proofs?

Quote: mikstepanenko

And a series of round holes, just the caliber of an aircraft gun. And the cockpit is all covered in blood

survived in 2 weeks of bombing?
Everyone has already recognized - shot down a BUK and only you stubborn

Quote: mikstepanenko

But they did not take into account that rockets of that type in Russia have been decommissioned for about 15 years

proofs are there, the type of rocket is determined and again you missed

Quote: mikstepanenko

And those that have Russia have cubes

there are no cubes at all, there are balls or an I-beam

Quote: mikstepanenko

We continue. Immediately after the crash, the SBU said - we intercepted the negotiations of the terrorists in which they confess to the destruction of a civilian aircraft and we published them on YouTube. So that everyone can listen. But again, they did not take into account that on YouTube you can not only listen but also download. And carry out an examination that proved that it is installation

are there proofs?
But what about the tweet of rifle 7, the same installation?

Quote: mikstepanenko

And you can also see the properties of the file. Horror, horror ... it was created the day BEFORE the disaster. Who could know about her in advance?

like who ? Obama when in the Donbass elevators urinated

Quote: mikstepanenko

Continue???

sometimes it's better to chew than talk

[Dur_mod]

Atalef, we don’t need to shield us and Ukraine clearly shot down a hedgehog, though the truth will come up anyway and you will be ashamed.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Dur_mod

Atalef, we don’t need to shield us and Ukraine clearly shot down a hedgehog, though the truth will come up anyway and you will be ashamed.

He is in the information war, and this, as Sun-tzu said:
"War is a way of deception ..."

[Victoria-V]

I do not blame or defend anyone, but why write such nonsense? If this is some kind of irony, then it is extremely inappropriate.

[Garris199]

And actually where is the recording of the voice recorder? Where are the negotiations with the dispatcher?

[jekasimf]

Dear, you are thereby claiming that:
1. Russia sent an obsolete air defense system with decommissioned missiles to the war zone (manufactured by the USSR)
.Well insidious!
2.With a stupid inexperienced crew that is not able to distinguish the passenger side, with the transponder turned on, from the military.
Well stupid!
3. That this crew worked completely autonomously. For even civilian dispatchers in Rostov already drove this board. And the military did not recognize it and did not conduct it !!!
Yeah. Because the communications in the Russian army are pigeon mail ...!
4. That Russia is so stupid that it sent a BUK to Ukraine, with a radius of destruction of 75 km (modern missiles), despite the fact that the hostilities (the Saur-Graves district) were no further than 40 km from the Russian border, which means the BUK, and even more so the C 300, was completely blocked from Russian territory. And the plane was shot down at a distance of 40 km from the border.
Why cross the border, probably in the General Staff and _d_oty are sitting!

[atalef]

Quote: jekasimf

Dear, you are thereby claiming that:
1. Russia sent an obsolete air defense system with decommissioned missiles to the war zone (manufactured by the USSR)
.Well insidious!
2.With a stupid inexperienced crew that is not able to distinguish the passenger side, with the transponder turned on, from the military.
Well stupid!
3. That this crew worked completely autonomously. For even civilian dispatchers in Rostov already drove this board. And the military did not recognize it and did not conduct it !!!
Yeah. Because the communications in the Russian army are pigeon mail ...!
4. That Russia is so stupid that it sent a BUK to Ukraine, with a radius of destruction of 75 km (modern missiles), despite the fact that the hostilities (the Saur-Graves district) were no further than 40 km from the Russian border, which means the BUK, and even more so the C 300, was completely blocked from Russian territory. And the plane was shot down at a distance of 40 km from the border.
Why cross the border, probably in the General Staff and _d_oty are sitting!

I don’t know how today's case shows - anything is possible.
Considering that the Ukrainian Boeing was shot down - from Russian-made TOR, Russian-trained personnel and received all permits and permission to conduct independent combat duty on the TOR complex - from the same Russian representatives.

[Krasnodar]

Already said that from the TOP?

[atalef]

Quote: Krasnodar

Already said that from the TOP?

in any case, rocket fragments are identified as TOP

Quote: Moskovit

You are trying with some painful persistence to sew Russia to this tragedy

I'm not trying to sew on.
Just a question. Who sold the Iranians and who taught
?
that issued admission to independent work?

[New Year day]

Quote: atalef

Just a question. Who sold the Iranians and who taught
?
that issued admission to independent work?

serious questions, require reflection ...
1. In February 1973, a Libyan Arab Airlines Boeing 727 flew from Libyan Tripoli to Cairo. As a result of a loss of orientation, the airliner was over the Sinai Peninsula occupied by Israel. He was sent to intercept two Israeli fighter F-4 Phantom II. Israeli fighters received permission to open fire. The liner was seriously damaged and crashed on a dune during an emergency landing. Killed 108 of the 113 people on board.
Who is to blame? - Israel or the United States, which entrusted this lethal device in the hands of inept Israelis?
2. July 3, 1988 from the radar screens, the Iran Air 655 aircraft flying from Tehran to Dubai with landing in the coastal city of Bandar Abbas, was shot down by the American cruiser Vincennes.
Who is to blame? - American sailors or Raytheon - an American military-industrial company, the manufacturer of the Standard-1 rocket, which fell into the hands of inept sailors?

Quote: atalef

Just a question. Who sold the Iranians and who taught
?
that issued admission to independent work?

serious questions, require reflection ...

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Silvestr

In February 1973, a Libyan Arab Airlines Boeing 727 flew from Libyan Tripoli to Cairo. As a result of a loss of orientation, the airliner was over the Sinai Peninsula occupied by Israel.

Do not pull out what you like out of context.
He flew in side of the nuclear reactor in Demon and did not obey the Israeli Air Force aircraft.

Quote: Silvestr

Who is to blame? - Israel or the United States, which entrusted this lethal device in the hands of inept Israelis?

The "inept Israelis" flew close to the plane, the windows were all closed, did not get in touch, did not respond to wing flapping, after a warning missile launch, parallel to the course close to the plane's wing, he followed the Israeli planes, but then abruptly changed the route and got a rocket.

[Moskovit]

You are trying with some painful insistence to sew Russia to this tragedy. Even the name of the country began to be written with a small letter. Maybe it's time for a psychiatrist? Or is it expensive in Israel?

[cost]

Maybe it's time for a psychiatrist? Or is it expensive in Israel?

Will refer to an industrial injury. In evidence, a listing of his comments will be attached The psychiatrist will take this into account and make him a discount.

[Moskovit]

Oh, wei! Get a discount from an Israeli doctor?))

I recall a joke about a Jewish mother and a terrorist. What is the difference between them? You can negotiate with a terrorist)).

[Abbot]

Quote: atalef

Considering that the Ukrainian Boeing was shot down - from Russian-made TOR, Russian-trained personnel and received all permits and permission to conduct independent combat duty on the TOR complex - from the same Russian representatives.

And this is "taking into account", sorry, what is it for? Ban Russia from exporting weapons to BV? To deprive countries at war with the United States or, say, Israel, modern air defense systems? Well, so that no one has protection against the Air Force and cruise missiles, so that threats and strikes could dictate their will in the region. You talk to the end, do not hesitate.

[atalef]

Quote: Abbot

And this is "taking into account", sorry, what is it for? Ban Russia from exporting weapons to BV?

no, of course, it’s even worth continuing - they will kill more of their own than enemies

Quote: Abbot

To deprive countries hostile to the United States or, say, Israel, of modern air defense systems?

God with you . supply more. with such results this is welcome

Quote: Abbot

Well, so that no one has protection against the Air Force and cruise missiles, so that threats and attacks could dictate their will in the region. You agree to the end, do not be shy

Yes, I'm not shy.

[Abbot]

In this case, why are you pulling the country of manufacture of the air defense system to history? Training, there, tolerances and all that.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Abbot

In this case, why are you pulling the country of manufacture of the air defense system to history? Training, there, tolerances and all that.

Apparently he hates so much that he can no longer restrain himself ...

[bukhach]

Let him hate, die sooner from anger

[Star Destroyer]

Learn the mattresses of democracy like real men and wars must behave!

Hundreds of killing innocent people, and then making the face with a brick in every possible way deny the deed, until they are pressed to the wall with evidence, is this how “real men” behave? You have a funny idea of ​​honor ...
I thought that, after yesterday's failures, the Lakhtins will not come out for a long time. How much I was mistaken, even such a disgrace turned into a “victory”

[evgen1221]

Here I disagree with you. Americans for the Iranian passenger Boeing, which was shot down by mistake, the crew of the destroyer that shot down the aircraft, presented something for awards. Double standards in similar situations, it’s not visible, you don’t?

[Abbot]

Quote: Star Destroyer

Hundreds of killing innocent people, and then making the face of the brick in every way deny the deed

This "kill by the hundreds" stung the eye. Even I don’t remember similar incidents behind Iran, when they knocked down hundreds of civilians with rockets. The same cannot be said about the prosecution side, the United States. These have killed many civilians from the air in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria. Some facts surfaced only thanks to leaks, the same Snowden and Assange's WikiLeaks. What followed from the Pentagon? Oops, mistake is at best. What has to do with it, it is Assange who is on trial, and not the American "oops" in uniform.

[Incvizitor]

The blame is still mattresses with provocation.

[atalef]

Quote: evgen1221

Learn the mattresses of democracy like real men and wars must behave!

[smart ass]

In fact, trump destroyed the Boeing, he launched a chain reaction

[Thrifty]

Here is the act of not a boy, but a husband! !! A real man, did not bustle, did not hide behind someone's back! This is worthy of respect!

[Crane]

Here is the act of not a boy, but a husband! !! A real man, did not bustle, did not hide behind someone's back! This is worthy of respect.
=====
Yes, give up. A collective decision.

[Uncle Izya]

Well, he didn’t stand at the control panel, maybe he gave the order!
So Trump took responsibility for the elimination of the Iranian general, what does it change?
Killed 180 people can not be returned, or do you want Poroshenko admitted for the downed plane over the Donbass?

[den3080]

Of course, tragedy and condolences to the families and friends of the dead.

but it is also certain that Western goodwill will squeeze the maximum out of this tragedy and the Sumerians will participate in this, to the best of their ... nearness ...
and what are the Sumerians able to “squeeze” out of this ??
1. I believe that there is a good chance to replace those who got there earlier in the “heavenly hundred” .... well, this is ... by necessity, that is, in order to collect a hundred actually.
I give a tooth, they try to stick.
2. 404 will impose income tax on compensation received by the relatives of the deceased.
3. at the household level, they will simply try to take away the compensations mentioned above (banks will mop up / breed, and atomic bandits / veterans will simply pick up the bagpipes)

[iouris]

Quote: evgen1221

Learn the democratic mattresses of democracy like real men

I do not share this opinion of the majority, because in a civilized society, guilt is established by an independent court. It seems that Iran has made a decision according to the well-known scheme "to figure it out as it should be and to punish just anyone." This suggests that in Iran "the process has begun" (Quote: the best German ... of the year Gorby). Thus, Trump managed to rock the situation inside Iran. The consequences will be. Who's next after Iran? AND?

[Omskgasmyas]

I redirect your appeal to grunting gilts. I think everyone was guessing who it was.

[Pedrodepackes]

Meanwhile, it became known that a specific person in Iran claimed responsibility for the strike on the Boeing 737. This is the commander of the aerospace forces of the IRGC Amir Ali Hajizade.

But this is an act! He did not hide behind the backs of his subordinates, although he himself did not press a button and did not give a command. Our some generals as an example.

[Olis]

All the same, these generals will have to answer. The truth will still be proved in court.

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Olis

The truth will still be proved in court.

not everything comes to court

[Olis]

He did not hide behind the backs of his subordinates, although he himself did not press a button and did not give a command. Our some generals as an example

If these generals and the country pleaded guilty voluntarily and agreed to pay compensation to relatives, then these generals usually resign and this incident is considered to be over! And this should become law in the event of such disasters!
There were many such cases in the world, for example, a downed plane over the Black Sea.
But if the generals begin to bustle, if they unlock ... we were not there, it's not us and so on ..
Then it comes to the Court, and not to the Basman International Court of Justice in The Hague!

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Olis

it comes to the Court, and not to the Basman International Court of Justice in The Hague!

blessed is he who believes ... after the Tu-154 failed, no one went to The Hague

[Olis]

You don’t know how to read your friend. It’s clearly said -if you pleaded guilty and paid compensation, you don’t need a court. The Hague court is needed for the most stubborn, but for them, for such a country it’s more expensive to deny what happened.

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Olis

You are my friend do not know how to read.

I didn’t drink on the Brudershaft

Quote: Olis

friend

Quote: Olis

if pleaded guilty and paid compensation

and who pleaded guilty? And the compensation was paid to the relatives of the victims, but for the plane - no, and where is the Hague,

Quote: Olis

friend?

[Olis]

As far as I know, in the case of the TU-154, Ukraine paid Russia compensation for the cost of the aircraft, too, though under some other agreements. Then the relations between the countries were good. Yes and Ukraine’s air defense in Crimea only formally belonged to Ukraine.
Even Putin at first did not believe that the S-154 missile shot down the Tu-125, the missile’s radius was too small. Only when the United States said they had evidence, they would only show it in court if it came to court. Ukraine agreed to plead guilty.
This guilty plea is

Our some generals as an example

[Terenin]

Quote: Pedrodepackes

Quote: Olis

You are my friend do not know how to read.

I didn’t drink on the Brudershaft

Quote: Olis

friend

Quote: Olis

if pleaded guilty and paid compensation

and who pleaded guilty? And the compensation was paid to the relatives of the victims, but for the plane - no, and where is the Hague,

Quote: Olis

friend?

Not bad Alex

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Terenin

Not bad,

Thank you!

[kapitan92]

Quote: Olis

All the same, these generals will have to answer. The truth will still be proved in court.

Then, following an official investigation into the tragedy in the sky over the Black Sea, many high-ranking military men who even had an indirect relation to a downed Russian plane “resigned”. Moreover, none of them was brought to justice - everyone escaped with censure. Moreover, Ukraine all this time put forward and puts forward versions of its non-involvement in the incident and, despite the results of the investigations, “pushing through” the version of the internal explosion on board a civil aircraft.

https://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201710041446-7fl5.htm?fbclid=IwAR2Phpo9lwCMUlqRpyJ09H_88Gu5BlMzmdwYbKsxE-G85kX135fwaLvcHNY

Cynical speech by the President of Ukraine (at that time) Kuchma about a Russian plane shot down by the Ukrainian military over the Black Sea.

[New Year day]

Quote: kapitan92

Cynical speech by the President of Ukraine (at that time) Kuchma about a Russian plane shot down by the Ukrainian military over the Black Sea.

no words, or rather there are many. but the moderator will not like it. It's a pity

[fruit_cake]

so the Maydan now accuse Russia of having shot down its plane in 2001 to blame Ukraine for this

[Bogatyrev]

If the court, then we are talking about a crime. But for this it is still necessary to prove the guilt of this person. Those. that it was a crime, not an accident.
In this case, all previous incidents of this kind and the practice of punishing them will be taken into account. For example, a plane sold by the Americans in the Persian Gulf. Was anyone convicted there? Etc. So here it is still VERY far from the court.

[evgen1221]

What is ours for ours? If the Americans, then yes there is something to learn, how to be worthy of the title of defender of the country.

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: evgen1221

What is ours for ours?

Yes, there is untapped virgin soil of characters, so, offhand, Rust's landing on Red Square, the death of the Kursk submarine, with the death of the 6th company in the second Chechen, not everything is clear ... there are many examples and not only in the army, by the way, general from the economy Chubais and the accident at the hydroelectric power station. You don't seem to know how we appoint scouts.

[tlauicol]

Quote: Pedrodepackes

Meanwhile, it became known that a specific person in Iran claimed responsibility for the strike on the Boeing 737. This is the commander of the aerospace forces of the IRGC Amir Ali Hajizade.

But this is an act! He did not hide behind the backs of his subordinates, although he himself did not press a button and did not give a command. Our some generals as an example.

Our all to blame the Jews

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Tlauicol

Our all to blame the Jews

"Englishwoman crap"))

[Star Destroyer]

You might think it, someone asked what he thinks there.
Ayatola said "find the switchman" - Homeland said "Yes."
For three days, for some reason, conscience was silent, evidence from the crash site was successfully destroyed, and only when the leaders of the states began to directly pressure the ayatola did the general “suddenly” wake up with a sense of responsibility.

[bar]

evidence from the crash site was successfully destroyed

You probably know that? Personally present or told who?

[Bshkaus]

It is very sad, unfortunately, from the first minute I had no doubt that they shot down.
We must pay tribute to the Iranians, who have found the courage to admit a mistake.
But questions remain: delayed take-off, lack of communication ...
Was this not a provocation orchestrated by "Western special services"?
And the choice of flight is successful: Ukrainians are not a pity, but there are also many Iranians among passengers.

[Po-tzan]

Quote: Bshkaus

But questions remain: delayed take-off, lack of communication ...
Was this not a provocation orchestrated by "Western special services"?

Yes, suspiciously. It is necessary to check all airport staff for the fact of belonging to the State Department.

[bar]

But questions remain: delayed take-off, lack of communication ...
Was it a provocation?

Rather, a fateful combination of circumstances, as with the MN-17

[bar]

I would not be so categorical. This is just your personal opinion, as well as mine above. Who was right, I hope someday it will be known.

[mikstepanenko]

MN-17 is not a fateful combination of circumstances, but a special CIA operation. At the final stage, made by the hands of the SBU branch.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Bshkaus

It is very sad, unfortunately, from the first minute I had no doubt that they shot down.
We must pay tribute to the Iranians, who have found the courage to admit a mistake.
But questions remain: delayed take-off, lack of communication ...
Was this not a provocation orchestrated by "Western special services"?
And the choice of flight is successful: Ukrainians are not a pity, but there are also many Iranians among passengers.

By the way, I, on the contrary, thought that the Persians were out of business. To shoot down an airplane on landing - you can still understand - they took it with a fright for a rocket, for something else, but on takeoff ??

[LiSiCyn]

Now much will depend on the decryption of the flight recorders. If the board began to turn before the rocket hit, then perhaps there was a place to be a provocation. If after, then the Persians, rigidly lohana.

[Krasnodar]

Hi Stas!
If there was a U-turn with a sharp decline - then yes, they might have thought that the board was captured.
In any other situation, given the climb to the plane - trash

[Russia]

Stas, Krasnodar good health They also screwed that self-roll, it would be difficult to light up the pipe of the world and pass it around, who has a cough, who has eyes to fly out, and someone just, sorry PUKNET.

[LiSiCyn]

"Non-brothers" claim that the second missile hit the cockpit, so there was no SOS signal. The first, just hit the engine, the video clearly shows the ignition of kerosene. But, was there a second one?

[Krasnodar]

What is the difference? Typically, at least 2 missiles are fired at one target

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: Krasnodar

What's the difference?

Iran does not exclude the version that Boeing’s control was intercepted from outside ... He tried to change course, and then, the human factor worked.

[Krasnodar]

Stas, this is from the realm of science fiction. Interception of aircraft control and more. That is, the existence of such a Technology is possible, but to disclose it under such circumstances - who needs it ..

[Moskovit]

I thought so too. Not because of the great love for Iran, but because of the illogicality and absolute unnecessaryness of this catastrophe for Iran. But it is clear that life is making its own adjustments. Surprisingly, the Iranians in a confrontation fully admitted guilt.

[Krasnodar]

Because good chess players - would fall for a lie - it would become worse.

[New Year day]

Quote: Bshkaus

... Ukrainians are not sorry, but among the passengers there are many Iranians.

it smelled like fascism! All feel sorry for the innocently killed

Crew commander Vladimir Gaponenko, there were 2 daughters.
or

Flight attendant Maria Mikityuk.
Really, don't you mind?

[Russia]

Well, what is fascism? No need to escalate hatred in society, do you need pictures of those who died in the Donbass with their family photos? Remember and not condemn everyone.

[Krasnodar]

I agree, condolences to the families of the victims

[New Year day]

Quote: Rusland

No need to escalate hatred in society,

I agree with you completely, but I can not agree with ...

Quote: Bshkaus

... Ukrainians do not mind

so...

Quote: Rusland

Remember and not condemn everyone.

[Russia]

I agree with you It’s bad that we begin to poke around in semantic and political turns in our posts, and every extra word kills, and a dot and a comma are finished.

[New Year day]

Quote: Rusland

at the same time, every extra word kills, but I finish the point and comma

I fully support!
How easy, crazy to quit the Word.
Word, word bullet - that instantly,
If in the forehead - then death.
If in the heart it’s methyl, it’s not always fatal,
But harder to live with a wound, believe me.

The wound hurts and bleeds
And even hurt when not from the enemy,
And from a close, dear, by the way,
Even if it was hot applied.

The word kills and cripples
Brings Victory, Joy and Peace.
The word - heals better than doctors
If sincere, it is said with a soul.

The word inspires, gives strength,
Word, Word ...
In it is the Great Magic Power!

Dzhumagalieva N.I.

[Odysseus]

Amazing people of Iranians. It is clear that in any case they would have been guilty and convicted in Western courts, but bluntly and openly, we are to blame ... I don’t remember that
Of course, in this case it is necessary to recognize the correctness of the West and those who supported their version. Here they were right.

[Alex Justice]

In general, Iranians are more honest than Russians. Their mentality will not be allowed to lie. Watch great Iranian movies.

[bukhach]

Krasava, why only more honest !? Nobler, smarter, stronger, more tender, sincere, etc. etc.

[Shooter22]

Learn the clown (Zelensky), what to do! For the downed Tu-154 still officially piss apologize! The gut is thin!

[Errr]

You can also recall the ditching of the Airbus A300B2-203 of Iran Air by an anti-aircraft missile launched from the "gallant" American Ticonderoga-class missile cruiser USS Vincennes (CG-49) on July 3, 1988. 290 innocent people and no remorse from the US. Moreover, later the commander of the cruiser was awarded the Order of the Legion of Honor for his successful service in the period from 1987 to 1989. So the freaks have someone to take an example from.

[paul3390]

Well - very worthy. Causes only respect.

[hhhhhhh]

Very suspicious.
Maybe this is the same recognition as Gaddafi for the plane for which he was not to blame?

[Kronos]

Why did you decide that you weren’t?

[hhhhhhh]

Read the memories of American intelligence.
Draw conclusions.
By the way, what plane are you talking about? ... If it’s profitable, they will admit. If they can never recognize.

[Old26]

Quote: Pedrodepackes

Meanwhile, it became known that a specific person in Iran claimed responsibility for the strike on the Boeing 737. This is the commander of the aerospace forces of the IRGC Amir Ali Hajizade.

But this is an act! He did not hide behind the backs of his subordinates, although he himself did not press a button and did not give a command. Our some generals as an example.

Unlike the parallel branch, I agree with you here. The statements of the commander of the ACS of the IRGC are really an act. Although a few days the excuses of the Iranian side still left a residue

[Avior]

The calculation knew in a minute that Thor’s range was a maximum of 12 km, so they even observed visually both hit and fall of the liner, it reached the commander a maximum of half an hour later, taking into account the situation
He admitted after three days, when the whole world spoke about it.
Prior to that, I listened calmly as they talked about technical damage.

[Chingachguk]

For some reason, there was a feeling that this commander was no longer in Iran and was broadcasting from somewhere in the west. A certain semblance of Rodchenkov ...... And already in the ears of the statement of the US State Department about 100% guilt of Iran. I recall the investigation of the Dutch Boeing.

[Shahno]

Ok let the statement make

[75 Sergey]

They shook the air for what they themselves admitted, but we directly accused the amers.
But somehow so ?! Can’t you see what the fuck is flying?

[Mik1701]

That's just the point, that is visible! But to a specialist, not a monkey.

[evgen1221]

Navryatli from the west was broadcast by the commander. In his homeland in Iran, he is like Christ's bungle, in the west he will meet Berezovsky’s scarf with love.

[asv363]

Not sure how the question can be resolved:

Rukhani announced the criminal prosecution of those responsible for the crash of the Ukrainian plane
https://ru.irna.ir/news/83628959/

[knn54]

-Alex: not everything comes to court.
The commander of the American cruiser was awarded for the downed Iranian airliner (1988), going on a landing.
-Bshkaus: ... flight delay.
WHY (like the rest) have not been canceled ???

[75 Sergey]

The Iranians crap one's pants to the fullest, they could say right away, but they are now behaving with dignity.
And I thought the Americans were sanding.

[zxc15682]

Well, now, one person will pay the legal claims. Not the state. They came up with it right.

[Shahno]

Well done. Man.
This is the commander of the aerospace forces of the IRGC Amir Ali Hajizade.
Will live long.

[marshes]

Quote: Shahno

Well done. Muzhik. This is the commander of the aerospace forces of the IRGC Amir Ali Hajizade. He will live long.

It’s good that they don’t have nuclear weapons, otherwise they would have a zvezdets. Probably the IRGC would be responsible for nuclear weapons.

[Jack O'Neill]

Iran flunked civilian liner, 176 person! Iran well done!
And he had only to admit his guilt in a few days otmaz "Iran rejects allegations of Ukrainian anti-aircraft missile strike".
He killed 176 people, confessed and everything was forgiven ... However, you are interesting people ...

[loki565]

Well ... The Americans shot down an Iranian passenger plane, Ukraine shot down the Tu 154 ... how are they all forgiven or not?

[Jack O'Neill]

Well ... The Americans shot down an Iranian passenger plane, Ukraine shot down the Tu 154 ... how are they all forgiven or not?

And where are the Americans?

[loki565]

Despite the fact that the Americans shot down an Iranian passenger plane confusing it with the military and what are the consequences for them ???

[Jack O'Neill]

Despite the fact that the Americans shot down an Iranian passenger plane confusing it with the military and what are the consequences for them ???

And does this mean that Iran can afford to bring down civilian airliners in response type?

[loki565]

This means that for Iran there will be the same consequences as for the USA, no more and no less

[Jack O'Neill]

This means that for Iran there will be the same consequences as for the USA, no more and no less

Okay And this is what you wanted to say on my first comment or what? Commenting that the Iranians radishes, they killed 175 people. For several days, the Iranians otmazyvatsya, like not they, but when pressed, they admitted.

[Mik1701]

A purely hypothetical question - what would happen if missiles of "potential allies," again shot down a Russian airliner? (God forbid!)

[A hundred]

My two comments are deleted .. Well oh well, dance demons!
And remember the downed Boeing-Donbass, then our Il in Syria ..
All gentlemen do not buy
Hold on Iran and the Kremlin too
Beautifully taken away from the murder of the general .. Well, well

[atalef]

Quote: Hundred

My two comments are deleted .. Well oh well, dance demons!
And remember the downed Boeing-Donbass, then our Il in Syria ..
All gentlemen do not buy
Hold on Iran and the Kremlin too
Beautifully taken away from the murder of the general .. Well, well

Well, Vitaly pulled himself up.
Vitaly, you sleep for a long time, you will miss the whole war

[A hundred]

Quote: atalef

Vitaly, you sleep for a long time, you will miss the whole war

I am always on time .. It’s you who kindle her Atalef!
Rejoice for now, yours has taken and again framed civilians ..
How much blood do Israel need for you to calm down?

[atalef]

Quote: Hundred

Rejoice for now, yours has taken and again framed civilians.

we
Vitalik, you need to drink less.

[A hundred]

Quote: atalef

Quote: Hundred

Rejoice for now, yours has taken and again framed civilians.

we
Vitalik, you need to drink less.

Hawthorn? he he
Ah Atalef, what you started in Israel, the world can again explode into the blood .. Why do you need this? Well, take off the interest and that is not enough for all of you to retire and the Internet .. hehe

[Dym71]

Quote: atalef

we

Why are you surprised? You yourself accuse us of all serious, so you began to lay behind the collar? Hag Sameah!

Quote: atalef

Vitalik, you need to drink less.

Alexander, did you bring him to say so?

[Egor 11]

Iranian politicians have a mind, honor and conscience.
This is so exotic ... I mean, unusual. An irresponsible woman was expected: well, prove it, come on, not we, but we can repeat it.

[frizzy]

Zelensky will declare war on Iran in his appeal to the people. He will remove Natsik from Donbas in the direction of victory☻

[yfast]

It would be nice, after 6 years of war with Russia, these are now bending Iran.

[alien]

Deuce to the commander of the aerospace forces of the IRGC Amir Ali Hajizade. With 100% operational readiness, all civilian flights should have been at least canceled. And even we shoot down drones and civilian planes fly ...

[Scoun]

Quote: Alien

Deuce to the commander of the aerospace forces of the IRGC Amir Ali Hajizade. With 100% operational readiness, all civilian flights should have been at least canceled. And even we shoot down drones and civilian planes fly ...

Kamrad, honestly, did not want to comment in this thread, but such statements are starting to start.
Some especially gifted writers of the comments above.
Boeing was shot down at the time of the launch of missile strikes on American bases! Please remind who is up to the state
Iran, decided on this without being at war?
Such I look all smart, brave, honest though sofa.
Iran was on the verge of a great war and they really, even if they knew, was not up to the Boeing.

[atalef]

Quote: Scoun

Boeing was shot down at the time of the launch of missile strikes on American bases!

sure ?
The attack on the bases was at one in the morning (Iran attacked the US air base in Iraq ... that the attack on the American base was carried out at about 01:20) Boeing was shot down
Boeing 737-8KV (board UR-PSR) operated an international flight PS-752 from Tehran to Kiev. IN 02:42 UTC [23] (06:12 local time),
An hour has passed 20 minutes

[Shahno]

Quote: marshes

Quote: Shahno

Well done. Muzhik. This is the commander of the aerospace forces of the IRGC Amir Ali Hajizade. He will live long.

It’s good that they don’t have nuclear weapons, otherwise they would have a zvezdets. Probably the IRGC would be responsible for nuclear weapons.

Well, yes. If that, what a threat, they themselves know, destroy.
We will not bring to civilian liners.

[Gennady Fomkin]

If it is true that Iran shot down an airplane, then in this case with Ukraine, the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) is clearly to blame, which did not prohibit flights over the conflict zone. Most airlines have already introduced this rule.

[Livonetc]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Confused the plane with a cruise missile.

MOSCOW, Jan 11 - RIA News. Iran’s air defense system mistook the Ukrainian plane for a cruise missile, Amir Ali Hajizade, commander of the military space forces of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, said at a press conference.
He added that the target was 19 kilometers away. The operator of the air defense system lost contact with the command and made the decision to launch on his own. He had 10 seconds to decide whether to shoot down the target or not, and, according to Hajizade, he "made a bad choice."

https://ria.ru/20200111/1563284980.html

A factor was also imposed of an unplanned Boeing rotation of 180 degrees in the absence of communication with the dispatcher.

[parusnik]

We must pay tribute to Iran ... In a special intent, it will be difficult to blame ...

[atalef]

Quote: parusnik

We must pay tribute to Iran ... In a special intent, it will be difficult to blame.

oops, we are not on purpose.
One must be complete diplodocus to do this on purpose.

[Narak-zempo]

In Iran, a specific person claimed responsibility for a downed Boeing

Party Ayatollah said, "We must!" - Komsomol the general replied "Yes!"

[golem]

And yesterday I heard that these were fiction of the West

[rocket757]

And yesterday they said that we had to wait for the conclusions of the investigation, and to all.

[alien]

You see, when the evidence is there, it was provided by the Americans within 2 days. And when there is no evidence (Malaysian Boeing)? Then there is no data from Ukrainian radars, there are no records of conversations of Ukrainian dispatchers, there are no satellite images of the United States ... Or is this evidence not satisfactory for the United States?

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Quote: Alien

You see, when the evidence is there, it was provided by the Americans within 2 days.

Where are they provided? It was publicly said that they are there, that people related to the investigation of the disaster, and some officials, were acquainted with them. All in one as in the story of the Malaysian Boeing, where the United States то же самое done. What's the Difference?

[Semurg]

Quote: golem

And yesterday I heard that these were fiction of the West

The Iranians provoked the Americans for a long time, then received an answer in the form of a liquidated general. Gained up and banged on American bases warning them about this for a couple of hours. Then they sat down on the defensive with a fright, blocking a plane flying out of their capital airport. But the US bastards never showed up for war.

[Dym71]

Quote: golem

And yesterday I heard that these were fiction of the West

But do they never tell a trick to believe their word?

[Astra wild]

And the editorial about it was and 2/3 of the colleagues were sure of it

[rocket757]

Someone has an iron Faberge ...
Let's see what happens next.

[Pacifist]

Strong. A real man. Liberal tolerasts do not understand this, and even more so to the skakuas. Until now, they pretend that they are not in the business of the downed TU-154 and the Malaysian Boeing.

[Old26]

Quote: atalef

we belay
Vitalik, you need to drink less.

Or more. Vitalik in his repertoire. As Yevgeny Damantsev is recognized by his articles, so Vitaly by his posts

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

If it is true that Iran shot down an airplane, then in this case with Ukraine, the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) is clearly to blame, which did not prohibit flights over the conflict zone. Most airlines have already introduced this rule.

Gennady! Is the territory of Iran a conflict zone? It was not over Syria that the Boeing was shot down, and not over Iraq, but several kilometers from the capital of the state, which is not at war with its neighbors.
So ICAO is not in the business here. Unlike Iran’s air defense

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Confused the plane with a cruise missile.

Yes, to confuse a cruise missile with a passenger Boeing - this must be known ...

Quote: Pedrodepackes

do you read before writing your comments? How did I know the air defense calculation that I shot down a civilian airliner? Did he shoot sparrows from a slingshot?

Alex Well, tell me how you can confuse an aircraft with a length of 40 meters and a wingspan of about 35 meters (what a flare on the radar) with any US fighter (F-15, F-16, F-22, F-35) or with an unmanned reconnaissance aircraft. Or what, while Pvoshniki they are zero? After all, there was no interference; EW did not work against air defense, and confusing a passenger plane with a fighter, a drone, and even more so with a cruise missile was beyond understanding. The question is asked, what will Iran’s air defense do if God forbid a conflict with the United States occurs and the US aviation will work against them using REP, trap missiles and anti-radar missiles. What then will they destroy if, under normal conditions, the operator confused a passenger plane with no one knows what?
But the "target" on the radar was not 10 minutes, not 20, not an hour. She appeared a few minutes before, walked from the airport with a climb and a transponder turned on ... That is, the air defense officers are not at all competent in their field?

[Alex Justice]

Thought it was a B-52?

[Aliken]

As the Prophet (sas) said, a Muslim can be stingy, can be cowardly, but he cannot be a liar.

[Lexeus]

Yeah, it's not the Ukrainians who shot down the Malaysian Boeing.

[Astra wild]

INCREDIBLE: the general admitted his guilt. On the one hand, it is worthy of respect: a real officer admits his guilt. But then I had questions: 1) WHY did they immediately deny and could not recognize?
Second, this is not even a question, but a fright: "the unprecedented openness of Iran, its political and military command," do you remember how "perestroika and glasnost" ended? You all well know about the "color revolution" and who suits them.?

[Nedokomsomolets]

Are there any specialists here? Enlighten the amateur.
How, on what grounds, does the air defense system distinguish a passenger Boeing from a cruise missile? Especially if the airplane has to have a transponder? Don't they believe him?
And even if you do not take into account the transponder, then the signal from the plane should be different from the signal from the rocket? The nature of its movement (unambiguously in a straight line it gains height)
In general, how realistic is such a mistake? How much does the technique make it possible to recognize the goal and how much is the person able to adequately perceive the situation?

[TT62o]

The transponder for the air defense system Tor does not play any role (this is both analog and digital TV). Iran was expecting an answer, so it placed these zrk near the capital. The signal is different and different. The main thing is what calculation set the task, how did they organize the interaction of the military air defense and air defense (and whether it was organized). Since they had been brought full BG, the calculation of the TOP could have the task of bringing down all the strangers in its affected area.

[Orakul2000]

The Iranian regime is, of course, hostile to us, but the deed of this man is certainly noble. It is a pity that the article does not contain the entire phrase of the commander of the Iranian Air Force, but it conveys the state of mind and remorse of this person much more strongly. The whole phrase goes like this "In this situation, I personally take responsibility for the fact that a Ukrainian passenger plane was inadvertently shot down in our airspace. I would rather die than see accidents." So, humanly honest and open.

[alien]

Quote: Orakul2000

In this situation, I personally take responsibility for the fact that the Ukrainian passenger plane was unintentionally shot down in our airspace

The Americans purposefully killed Soleimani, and the Iranians aimlessly shot a civilian plane ... with their own citizens. For Trump, probably - "everything is good."

[Uran53]

Strong man! Respect!

[iuocsfyu]

World media have noted the unprecedented openness of Iran, its political and military command in connection with the strike on the Boeing.

- for several reasons.
First, they do not want to give an additional reason for the voices calling for the bombing of Iran, which are already enough.
Secondly, those who died in the majority are former Iranians, and disrespect for their families in Iran will give an extra reason for protests, of which there are so many.
Thirdly, they really pinned to the wall; in the 21st century, when a day goes by, as locals publish rocket fragments on the Internet, such things cannot be hidden. Actually, Russia's fault in the downing of a Malaysian aircraft is for this reason obvious to everyone in the world. All other versions are for Russian domestic consumption, as a simple excuse for ignorant people, and as a psychological protective mechanism for those who doubt that their beloved homeland is always right, so it cannot bring down a plane in a foreign country, killing innocent people.

[iouris]

Quote: iuocsfyu

Actually, Russia's fault in the downing of a Malaysian aircraft is for this reason obvious to everyone in the world.

“Obviously” is not something that is “visible to the eyes,” but something that can be proved on demand. Not obvious. In the latter case, too. If the general had not been killed, everyone else would have been alive too.

[iuocsfyu]

Quote: iouris

“Obviously” is not something that is “visible to the eyes,” but something that can be proved on demand.

- No. This is exactly what the eyes can see. I personally, in real time, read articles bragging about the Lugansk "Girkin" and co. shot down by a plane, and watched as they were shamefully erased from all Russian-language media. The whole world saw it. And to prove something to someone on the first demand is not always obliged even in court. And certainly not on any forum on the Internet.

Quote: iouris

If the general had not been killed, everyone else would have been alive.

- An imaginary logical connection "After that - it means because of this." The usual, for paid office patriots, logical trick, in which a causal relationship is identified with a chronological one.

“After” does not mean “due to.”
The United States decided to eliminate the General. The decision to fire the plane was made by Iran. All attempts to link a downed plane with a killed general are attempts by the criminal to justify the crime by the fact that others also commit crimes. This nonsense is recognized once or twice and does not channel anywhere.

[iouris]

Quote: iuocsfyu

paid office patriots

Why are you working for free?

[iuocsfyu]

Quote: iouris

Why are you working for free?

Got 11.80 - go to the curator for soldering and you can continue to jump.
I'm not interested in you.

[Oleg Zorin]

Oh my god how many in the comments

[iouris]

Not a "person", but a leader (function), and took on political responsibility, not blame.

[Protos]

And the non-men from the non-brothers still talk on UkrTV, sho it wasn’t it that shot down the Tu-154 S200y!

[Kostadinov]

Quote: Military Commissar77

If this visor worked, and the operator knew how to use it, then probably, according to the procedure, he should have seen what was flying and see the airborne navigation lights of the passenger airliner.

A US cruiser shot down an Iranian passenger plane in the afternoon, in sunny weather, when the cruiser commander could see the name of the airline through binoculars.

[Kostadinov]

Quote: Astra wild

But then I had questions: 1) WHY did they immediately deny and could not recognize?

What does it mean right away? 48 hours is almost "right away" to investigate such an incident.