Tehran: We establish the entire chain of events that led to the strike on the Boeing

The head of the judicial branch of the government of Iran, Ebrahim Raisi, ordered the controlled authorities to immediately organize an investigation into the attack on the plane of the Ukrainian airline UIA. Ebrahim Raisi issued an official appeal to the relatives of passengers and crew of the Ukrainian Boeing 737.

Ebrahim Raisi:

I entrust the judicial system, the investigating authorities to identify specific perpetrators of the incident. I express my sincere condolences to the relatives of the victims of this tragedy.

Iranian President Hassan Rouhani noted that the Iranian authorities are taking all measures to establish the entire chain of events that led to an attack on a passenger airliner.

Recall that a few hours earlier the Iranian Armed Forces General Staff said that the plane was shot down by mistake "due to American provocations in the region."

In Tehran, it was announced that the main flight recorder of the downed Boeing will be sent for decryption to France, where there is a representative office of the American aircraft manufacturer.

Head of the Commission of Inquiry aviation Iranian incidents Hasan Rezaifar noted that Iran itself is interested in the most transparent investigation of the incident. According to the official, the department under his control carried out a preliminary assessment of the data of the "black boxes", at the moment "having exhausted the possibilities for decryption." Rezaifar said that there is no technology in Iran that would allow for 100% accurate decryption of the data of the recorders of American-made liners.

Against this background, the Iranian media are discussing a question related to why the Ukrainian pilot, having lifted the airliner into the air, suddenly changed course by almost 180 degrees. It is stated that it was at that moment that the rocket hit the plane, which appeared in the area of ​​the location of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps facility. It was such data that originally appeared in the press in a number of Middle Eastern countries. Perhaps the answer to this question will allow decoding of flight recorders.

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[Victor_B]

Honorable confession ...
My sincere condolences to the dead.
Admission of guilt means, without unnecessary litigation (for years!), To receive material compensation.
If my memory serves me right, Ukraine has not officially admitted guilt in the destruction of the Tu-154 aircraft of the Siberia Airlines and fought to the end for every penny?

[Avior]

honest admission of guilt when they pinned him to the wall.
and three days before that they lied that it was a technical malfunction, although they knew perfectly well that they had shot down.
and the lie continues with the alleged turn of the liner.
in fact, the flyradar clearly and unequivocally shows that the plane did not change course before the rocket hit.
In the case of Ukraine, it paid compensation of $ 200 thousand to the victims, although direct evidence of guilt was not found in subsequent lengthy trials

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Avior

and three days before that they lied that it was a technical malfunction, although they knew perfectly well that they had shot down.

Say, they didn’t lie, but assumed that it’s not difficult to understand them; to bring down a civilian plane is not a pound of raisins. Yes, and how to admit instantly without examinations and investigations. Look, according to Malaysian Boeing, how many butts. Ukraine has not pleaded guilty to the Tu-154.

[Sky strike fighter]

Ukraine has not pleaded guilty to the Tu-154.

Iran also at first did not admit that it shot down a Ukrainian Boeing. What can I say? This is karma.

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Iran also did not recognize at first

so, in fact, at first they did not blame him, in the first days it was not clear what happened at all, 7 versions were worked out. Understood and recognized.

[Sky strike fighter]

According to ABC and CNN, the board of Ukraine’s International Airlines (UIA) was destroyed not by one, but by two Iranian air defense missiles. We are talking about the anti-aircraft missile system 9K331 "Tor-M1", which is in service with Iranian air defense.
According to ABC, at first the air defense tracked the aircraft using radar, and then hit it with a pair of surface-to-air missiles - US satellites recorded two heat trails from missiles approaching the UIA aircraft. According to CNN sources, the American intelligence services were even able to record the moment when the Iranian army took aim at a civilian liner.

https://www.popmech.ru/technologies/news-538404-ukrainskiy-boeing-737-atakovali-srazu-dvumya-raketami/

Afraid of Americans otvetki? They spotted the plane, and without understanding to the end they shot down.

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Afraid of Americans otvetki?

Of course, that's why they shot down without understanding. And what bothers you: the plane was shot down on the 8th, the Americans gave information about the 10th missiles, the Iranians already recognized this morning, and maybe even yesterday evening.

[bar]

Nothing confuses. Run in front of the engine and repent only stupid people will. They sorted out quite quickly, admitted guilt honestly, and not like the same Ukrainians, for years boobs bruised over the carcass over the Black Sea.

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: bar

Nothing confuses.

So then the question is, what is the speech about here?

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: pulemetchik

Soon, and according to another Boeing, someone will admit and will go to The Hague!

I remembered an old anecdote from the times of Poroshenko: "(after the crash of the Boeing) Klitschko comes to Poroshenko's office and asks - How are things at the fronts, Petr Alekseevich?
Poroshenko thoughtfully - Vital, do you know what the Hague is?
Klitschko fun -Singer, what?
Poroshenko, again thoughtfully - all is well, Vital, go.

[Romka]

The joke is valid, I have not heard. But for the Dutch, after all, that the Ukrainians, that the Russians - one devil is the aborigines. But the Russians are being blamed. It's strange, however. And the Iranians are all great, but they could have turned on "ichtamnet". I am a neutral person in this situation, and for sure there is a "double bottom" in this tragedy, but who to believe? Maybe Mr. Leontyev with his cartoons? Or like a "Spanish dispatcher"?

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Romka

But the Russians are blamed. Strange, however.

Why strange, Ukraine is like a battering ram against Russia. And so, consumables.

[Chaldon48]

There are only a few countries on Earth capable of producing anti-aircraft missiles. The worst situation in Russia, we do not have not only allies, but also the slightest bit reliable fellow travelers, so they blame everything on Russia, but there is proof of guilt or not, it does not matter. It is important that high-class weapons can be produced in Russia, which means that you can shout a little: "This is the hand of Moscow!"

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Chaldon48

The worst situation in Russia, we have not only allies, but also few reliable partners

Quote: Chaldon48

a little chigo and you can shout: "This is the hand of Moscow!"

I completely agree with you and

Quote: Chaldon48

yell: "This is the hand of Moscow!"

will always be while we are strong and independent.

[bayard]

Quote: pulemetchik

Soon, and according to another Boeing, someone will admit and will go to The Hague!

Are you about Poroshenko and Turchinov? No, not recognized.

[krot]

and three days before that they lied that a technical malfunction, although they knew very well that they had brought down

No one can determine the cause of the crash in three days! Even cats will not be born quickly! But seriously, for now the truth will come to the generals from the rank and file, who obviously hid the truth with fear, and then to the command ..
Time has passed quite a bit, in this case. The Ukrainians still have not recognized our Tu-154, which they shot down during the exercises, over the Black Sea! More than 10 years have passed! This is the speed of a turtle. Iranians - 3 days, feel for whom the truth!

[Commissar77]

For what could he mistake a civilian plane - for a cruise missile, for a fighter, maybe for a drone? It could hardly be a Tomahawk-type cruise missile, it will not fly at an altitude of 2,5 kilometers. The speed of the plane was, in my opinion, 140 meters per second, fighters do not fly so slowly.

A drone also usually does not fly in someone else's airspace (although anything happens). In principle, if the operator had a head on his shoulders, and he slept enough and was in a fairly adequate condition, it seems to me that he should have come to the conclusion that there could be nothing but a civilian aircraft.

The standard algorithm for the operation of such systems is a password sent in response to a request from the ground (and these passwords, of course, are regularly changed), such a system may not exist on civil aircraft. Rather, I am inclined to believe that if the Torah operators did not receive signals from the aircraft's transponder and did not receive information from the airport about departing aircraft, they might by default not know that this aircraft is "theirs." For such a case, this combat vehicle has a television-optical sighting device, which allows optical observation with target acquisition. If this sight worked, and the operator knew how to use it, then, probably, according to the procedure, he would have to see what was flying and see the air navigation lights of the passenger liner.

[skif8013]

I could take anything for anything, especially when there was no connection with kp! There, the soldiers stupidly raised the alarm with shaking hands, and if it’s a plane, it’s a drone. it was not clear! stupidly beaten on everything that moves in the absence of communication!

[bar]

Afraid of Americans otvetki? They spotted the plane, and without understanding to the end they shot down.

Yasenpen that they were afraid of after hitting American bases. And the fathers-commanders must have sent staff to increase vigilance. Probably sat with trembling fingers on the start buttons. Of course, they should be aware of the schedule of civil flights. But here is such a trifle - the Ukrainian board flew off schedule, with an hour delay. Dispatchers managed to notify the air defense officers about this? Air defense officers managed to bring this to the calculations? And if you do not have time?

[GAF]

Quote: bar

And the fathers-commanders must have sent staff to increase vigilance.

Surely, that's what she is doing. But yet another tragedy is a consequence of the "mess" arranged at BV. No one will voice the role of the organizers of the tragedy in general on the BV. In this case, one should probably take into account the fact that unpunished missile strikes on the capital airports of Damascus and Baghdad have become seemingly routine, routine. Perhaps what happened is an unforeseen reaction to such a limitlessness ...

[bar]

No one will voice the role of the organizers of the tragedy as a whole in BV.

Exactly. In the same way as with the role of Ukraine in the death of MN-17, whoever shot him down.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: GAF

After all, another tragedy is a consequence of the "turmoil" arranged at BV. No one will voice the role of the organizers of the tragedy in general on BV ...

It also seems to me that even a hint of guilt hegemon self-appointed will not be.
Respect for Iranians - a terrible thing happened, but the recognition of this fact is expensive.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: bar

But here is such a trifle - the Ukrainian board flew off schedule, with an hour delay. Dispatchers managed to notify the air defense officers about this? Air defense officers managed to bring this to the calculations? And if you do not have time?

flight database is available for air defense in real time.
even to you it is available.

[knn54]

The answer in the article is WHY the Ukrainian pilot, lifting the airliner into the air, suddenly changed course by almost 180 degrees ..

[vvvjak]

Quote: knn54

The answer in the article is WHY the Ukrainian pilot, lifting the airliner into the air, suddenly changed course by almost 180 degrees ..

The answer to this question can 180 degrees swap those responsible for the tragedy.

[Finn]

[quote] [/ quote] visually probably shot noticed intuitively wanted to dodge.

[Thompson]

How interesting is that !!!
Before our su 57 had time to sit in Syria, US satellites immediately laid them out.
Before the Iranians had time to bring down the plane, the United States also saw it immediately.
They saw the Iranian plane that shot down their ship.
But who and wherefrom brought down Malaysian ... Suddenly, they were blinded and deaf.
We do not punish our villains - the principle of states continues to work

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Thompson

But who and wherefrom brought down Malaysian ... Suddenly, they were blinded and deaf.

let's just say there are places on the globe where the satellites, who are the military, are watching more.
I think if something happens on Papua Guinea, too, no one will know

[Klingon]

But why did the pilot actually perform a military U-turn? and what actually shot down is not yet clear, the height and range completely allowed allaevbar and release an arrow / needle or stinger

[bayard]

The turnaround was most likely after a missile \ missile hit, an attempt to return to the airfield.
We will wait for the calculation of the chronology of the event, soon everything will be available.
A mistake could arise in connection with the fact that the Army and its Ministry of Defense are responsible for Iran’s air defense, and the Islamic revolution’s guardians are another system, parallel with its command, subordination system and its own air defense. Poor coordination and autonomy from the army ... The mistake is tragic, but understandable in almost combat situations.

[Alexey LK]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

They spotted the plane, and without understanding to the end they shot down.

So did the radar mark fly from the side, where could the Americans attack? Tehran is far from the borders ...

[Atanesyan Armen Vartanovich]

The Iranians peasants - did - admitted. And the Russians ...

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Armen Vartanovich Atanesyan

And the Russians ...

What is the day off market?

[Alex Justice]

in the early days it was not clear what happened at all, 7 versions were worked out. Understood and recognized.

The Iranians knew everything in half an hour, but refused.

[Thompson]

Actually, those who launched the rocket could try to hide this fact so as not to get a hat

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Thompson

Actually, those who launched the rocket could try to hide this fact so as not to get a hat

an air defense missile is not a 7,62 cartridge. how do you hide the trigger ?!

[Avior]

they lied precisely because they knew perfectly well that they had shot at the airliner at close range, and knew very well that they were lying, claiming a technical malfunction, since there was not the slightest reason for this.
As for the Tu-154, the missile, if it hit it, during the exercises, from the Russian, by the way, range, so that nothing was hiding there because of complete meaninglessness, it happened at a distance of more than 300 km from the air defense system and no one he still doesn’t know exactly how it happened and whether it was a rocket or a terrorist attack, which surfaced in subsequent courts, such as facts about turning off the radar illumination or a mismatch in the size of the damaging elements of the warhead missile.
At the time when Ukraine was paying compensation, there was no evidence, it did not appear in the future.
in the previous thread there is a quote about the courts on this topic.

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Avior

they lied precisely because they knew perfectly well that they shot at a close range airliner

who are they? Air defense calculation? Or was the government in position? And if after launch the rocket still damaged the American plane, the scout and it fell somewhere on the territory of Iraq, why take on something that did not happen? If they knew that they shot at the liner, they would not have shot, the liner is not American, but to bring down a civilian liner could incur the wrath of countries even those that did not support the United States in adopting sanctions.

[pru-pavel]

If there was an American reconnaissance drone, they would have trumpeted everywhere that they had fired at an enemy aircraft that had invaded almost the capital. However, there are still no reports that they saw military aircraft of other states

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: pru-pavel

If there was an American reconnaissance drone which, they would have trumpeted everywhere

if they found the wreckage, then yes, but found the wreckage of a civilian liner, suspicions appeared, but suspicion is not a reason for conclusions. Understood and recognized their cant. It's not in the sandbox to admit that someone else's toy was stolen.

[New Year day]

Quote: Pedrodepackes

but found the wreckage of a civilian liner, suspicions appeared ...

what are the suspicions about? Who made the holes?

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Silvestr

what are the suspicions about? Who made the holes?

and for these holes, you can tell exactly who?

[New Year day]

Quote: Pedrodepackes

and for these holes, you can tell exactly who?

that fell not of his own free will, at least. There are a lot of such holes

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Silvestr

that fell not of his own free will, at least.

and there was a version about the attack. And if a rocket. then why immediately Iranian, and did not wait for answers from the USA?

[bar]

However, there are still no reports that they saw military aircraft of other states.

Are they obliged to report to us about everything an air stop? On Twitter, like Trump?

[pru-pavel]

They were not obliged to report about Suleymani, but they squealed and could not stop in any way.

[bar]

This is their right, but not their obligation. It is strange that you do not understand the difference.

[Atanesyan Armen Vartanovich]

The "Thor" has an automatic mode. At close range, the operator's reaction time is not enough. As well as "Dirk" by the way.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Armen Vartanovich Atanesyan

The "Thor" has an automatic mode. At close range, the operator's reaction time is not enough. As well as "Dirk" by the way.

Well, in this bored Persians pobakzali aerobatics. turn on the machine while civilian sides fly in a radius. You have a good version.

[T.Henks]

Without respect, a troll cannot be reduced. An aviator hampers everything that doesn’t apply to the USA with Ukrainians. Very wise. How much do they pay for the line, as on the Maidan?

[sergo1914]

Quote: Avior

nobody still knows exactly how it happened and whether it was a rocket or a terrorist attack

There was a complex of S-200. And a defeat from his rocket. Everything is known for sure. And they knew for sure that the liner was civilian. It was possible to eliminate a missile three hundred times on approach. I still have one question from that incident - who on board needed to be filled up like that?

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: sergo1914

Quote: Avior

nobody still knows exactly how it happened and whether it was a rocket or a terrorist attack

There was a complex of S-200. And a defeat from his rocket. Everything is known for sure

And the distance was under 200 km, which is really at the end of the capabilities of the rocket. Everything else is from the evil one. It was after this that the total degradation of the air defense capabilities of the 404 country began to fulfill its functions. And also tie eater helped

[O. Bender]

SAM range with 200 255 km, or else the distant border of the affected area, a 5v28v or 5v21 missile according to TTX have such a range, in reality they can fly up to 273km, but there is already an uncontrollable flight, self-liquidation for some reason may not work

[Pete mitchell]

Thank you, I’ve been there regularly on a regular basis. 200

[Zoomlion]

Ukraine and for MN-17 does not recognize. And FIG when it recognizes

[atalef]

Quote: Pedrodepackes

Say, they didn’t lie, but assumed that it’s not difficult to understand them; to bring down a civilian plane is not a pound of raisins. Yes, and how to admit instantly without examinations and investigations.

3 days sorted out.
probably the commander of the air defense of Iran found out the same after 3 days?

The elite military formation of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) took responsibility for the crash of the Ukrainian plane in Tehran. The commander of the aerospace forces of the IRGC, Brigadier General Amir Ali Hajizadeh admitted that he wanted to die when he learned about the plane crash. His words are quoted by TASS.

“When I heard about the crash of the Ukrainian plane, I wanted to die so as not to witness this tragedy”- the military admitted. According to Hajizadeh, Iran’s air defense system took the plane for a cruise missile. “We acknowledge all responsibility and are ready to follow any orders that the authorities accept,” the general concluded.

[Avior]

Well no, they knew exactly
The range of the Torah is 12 km, taking into account the 9-10 km goal parameter, they usually don’t shoot at the maximum, it’s obvious that the calculation is not only on the indicator, but also visually observed the hit and fall of the aircraft, so they “assumed” out of the question. This is clearly the Ukrainians did not see hit more than 300 km from the launch site, and the Iranians knew for sure that they were.
Obviously, in the morning, when they made a statement about the alleged technical breakdown of the aircraft, they already perfectly understood what had happened, since there wasn’t a word about the reflection of the Americans’s air raid and the American plane shot down, that is, at that time they they already knew perfectly well which plane they got into, but they continued to lie until they were pressed against the wall

[Mityay65]

Quote: Avior

Ukraine, she paid compensation for 200 thousand dollars to the victims

The payment was made to the victims in the "order of voluntary payment of compensation" and not "confession of guilt". The payment of compensation was carried out without ex gratia admission of guilt.
On May 28, 2012, the Kiev Economic Court of Appeal rejected the complaint of the Russian airline Sibir Airlines (S7 Airlines) against the decision of the court of first instance, which did not plead guilty to the Ukrainian military for the crash of the Russian Tu-154 in 2001. On December 11, 2012, the Supreme Economic Court of Ukraine upheld the decision. This is the final decision. S7 Airlines did not receive compensation for the downed Tu-154.
Thus, until now Ukraine has not pleaded guilty for the downed Tu-154.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Throw it at the fan. Ukraine DID NOT PAY ANYTHING. Then, as a result of an official investigation of the tragedy in the sky over the Black Sea, many high-ranking military men who had even an indirect relation to the downed Russian plane “resigned”. Moreover, none of them was brought to justice - everyone escaped with censure. Moreover, Ukraine all this time put forward and puts forward versions of its non-involvement in the incident and, despite the results of investigations, “pushing through” the version of the internal explosion on board a civil aircraft. And today, on the next anniversary, no one in Kiev recalls that terrible tragedy - such "accuracy" of Ukrainian air defense today is clearly not held in high esteem. Proofs in the studio.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Avior

and three days before that they lied that a technical malfunction

You are lying. Always in such cases, several ADVANCED versions are put forward. A technical malfunction was put forward as ONE OF the reasons, and no one has EXACTLY stated this. Now they have found the reason.

[antivirus]

"no direct evidence of guilt was found in subsequent lengthy court proceedings"


beautifully said --- must be remembered

[zloybond]

Before declaring and recognizing, it is necessary to detain participants, to establish randomness or intent. This also takes time. It’s never too late to tongue out. It’s important to say exactly what’s going on in your household so that you don’t then make excuses for being in a hurry. Recognized honestly. And Muslims deserve respect for honesty. But the sheep who warned there not to fly for some reason are silent about the fact that they did not want to hear a request to suspend flights. And it’s high time for the Khokhlyatsk pastor to catch, attach to a rocket and send greetings to his gods.

[skif8013]

Quote: Avior

honest admission of guilt when they pinned him to the wall.
and three days before that they lied that it was a technical malfunction, although they knew perfectly well that they had shot down.
and the lie continues with the alleged turn of the liner.
in fact, the flyradar clearly and unequivocally shows that the plane did not change course before the rocket hit.
In the case of Ukraine, it paid compensation of $ 200 thousand to the victims, although direct evidence of guilt was not found in subsequent lengthy trials

Dear in three days to recognize this, it is necessary to have the courage! Many states, even after years of excuses, sculpt and try to push the blame on someone. So your statement is at least not appropriate!

[GKS 2111]

No, they recognized and paid everything, did not go anywhere.
"According to the Novosibirsk Foundation for Assistance to the Families of the Victims, $ 7,8 million was distributed among the relatives of the victims who were recognized as victims in this case. This amount was allocated by Ukraine as part of an intergovernmental agreement with Russia on the settlement of claims arising from the plane crash. Official Kiev acknowledged the fact unintentionally hitting a civilian target after the wreckage of an aircraft with holes from a Ukrainian missile warhead was discovered. "

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And Iran, of course, will pay, only people will not be returned already ... Sincerely condolences .. A terrible tragedy ..

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: GKS 2111

And Iran will certainly pay, only people will not be returned

people, of course, it’s a pity, but Iran has nowhere to go, although citizens of other countries flew in the same place, while Persians flew their own, except for the crew.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: GKS 2111

No, they recognized and paid everything

Have you paid for the plane? Cooked with butter showed.

[Atanesyan Armen Vartanovich]

But there was no such thing as a "Ukrainian rocket" at that time. The missile was "Soviet". I understand - Yarosh's business card, a trident in the wreckage))). But no one made an idiot's face and admitted guilt. Not like "she drowned herself"

[shahor]

Quote: Victor_B

Ukraine has not officially admitted guilt in the destruction of the Tu-154 aircraft "Siberia" and fought for every penny to the end?

Ukraine then paid compensation without admitting guilt. There is such a legal procedure. But many serious experts from VO believe that the a / k Sibir plane was set up by an Israeli pilot who dodged the S-200 missile.

[bar]

the a / k sibir plane was set up by an Israeli pilot who dodged a S-200 missile

And the Israeli pilot was obliged to substitute himself under the Ukrainian rocket, fired by woodpeckers in the white light like a pretty penny?

[for]

Quote: Victor_B

Honest confession.

I especially like it when the defendant asks for forgiveness on a piece of paper, with tears. Deferred confession is not sincere and aims at mitigating punishment.

[bukoed]

Well, Russia didn’t admit to the downing of the Mallasian Boeing either.

[Victor_B]

Quote: bukoed

Russia never admitted to the downing of the Mullasian Boeing.

I didn’t bring down!
Well, let Ukraine be recognized!

[mitrich]

Arabs and others like them in their repertoire. Technique in the hands of a savage, deadly. Moreover, the military. Syrian air defense strike on our reconnaissance aircraft from the same series.
Without removing the responsibility of the amers, IMHO their fault here, at least 60 percent (like the Jews), it can be stated that "our smaller brothers", the Syrians, Libyans, Saudis, Iraqis, Iranians, Qataris and so on, have not grown to possess such a complex technique.
Conclusion: in a full-blown US-Iran war, the Iranians have little chance.

[Baloo]

Question amateur and profane: from a Boeing of this model could take control from the outside?

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Balu

could a boeing of this model take control from outside?

Well, this is unlikely, secretly such equipment is difficult to install, but if explicitly, then this would be known. Although, the question is of course interesting

Against this background, the Iranian media are discussing a question related to why the Ukrainian pilot, having lifted the airliner into the air, suddenly changed course by almost 180 degrees.

After all, the Malaysian Boeing over Ukraine also changed flight parameters, only in height.

[azhdk]

I think that they could take control and direct the liner so as to provoke a blow to it ....

[Strashila]

And for what to intercept the control of the aircraft, it is enough for the navigation system to issue a beleburd and it will turn itself.
And the question is, who is responsible for the navigation system with us ??? in which three letters.

[Blackmokona]

GPS malfunction would be noticed by millions of devices in the area

[Astra wild]

I'm afraid that these same three letters

[paul3390]

Quote: Balu

could a boeing of this model take control from outside?

Yes - putting the Ukrainian crew there ....

[Lexus]

Elementary. Autopilot, GPS navigation, etc. All electronic components (not only in aviation) are subject to external influences. Moreover, representatives of the special services of the producing country can carry it out secretly.

[sp77ark]

Hey, theorist conspirator! According to your logic, TOR missiles could also launch special services of the producing country. Stop flogging the chukhna!

[Piramidon]

Quote: Balu

Question amateur and profane: from a Boeing of this model could take control from the outside?

Personally, my opinion is legends. If it were possible to seize control, then some sort of frostbitten hacker terrorists would have failed more than one plane.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Piramidon

Quote: Balu

Question amateur and profane: from a Boeing of this model could take control from the outside?

Personally, my opinion is legends.

We talked on another branch here: at 737 no communication system has access to equipment, except for digital, aka data link: uses a computer screen to display messages. Again, I repeat - uploading updates to the system is a bit scrupulous and impossible in flight. Even on the A380, which itself is always always on-line, you cannot load anything from outside in flight, Boeing and not on-line aircraft.
There are no such opportunities there initially; evidence to the contrary will destroy modern air transport business

[Strashila]

Iran recognized the obvious.
But there were no less questions from this.
If the recorders confirm. If the plane turned before the rocket hit, then all questions would remain to the crew, for what and why he did it.
Over Donbass, Boeing pilots changed the same route, but at the request of controllers, the result is known.

[New Year day]

Quote: Strashila

If the recorders confirm. If the plane turned before the rocket hit, then all questions would remain to the crew, for what and why he did it.

Previously, there was information that, for technical reasons, the departure was delayed, and after takeoff, the pilot decided to return to the departure point (possibly for the same reason). So everything can be

[Strashila]

"and after takeoff, the pilot decided to return to the departure point (possibly for the same reason)", the crew will coordinate any of their actions with the dispatchers, above-below ... left-right ... everything is consistent.
If action has not been agreed, the fault of the crew.
Let's not forget the lessons of the Twin Towers.

[New Year day]

Quote: Strashila

If action has not been agreed, the fault of the crew.

who argues, only the question is, was there a U-turn?

Quote: Avior

in fact, the flyradar clearly and unequivocally shows that the plane did not change course before the rocket hit.

[antivirus]

overloaded a lot of black caviar? greed, took off, and then - "overload, you need to remove 2 tons"
weird ...

[voyaka uh]

Both tragedies are exactly the same.
But there are no long-term meaningless "inconsistencies" here.

[113262a]

And there and there, the ears of Kolomoisky!

[Olis]

The pilot of the Ukrainian SU-25 attack aircraft that shot down flight MH17 in the skies over the Donbass committed suicide! Sources report a Su-25 departure from the Dnepropetrovsk airfield with ammunition, but the plane returned already "empty", the pilot was "confused". He allegedly said: "The plane was at the wrong time in the wrong place ..." Voloshin's name was called. "For courage" III degree. The decree was signed on July 19 of that year, two days after the Boeing crash. Almaz-Antey also confirmed in his expert investigation that Voing was shot down from the cannon armament of the SU-25.

[Atanesyan Armen Vartanovich]

as in our army they said "whistle, do not roll bags" This is how the Iranians differ from the Russians

[sabakina]

Quote: Strashila

for what and why

Dear,
1. for something, for two hares, for a salary, etc.
2. for something, for hands, for the cumpole .... Obviously, you have repeatedly received the last ...
All the same, the Pentagon trolls have registered for VO!

[sabakina]

Quote: Strashila

If the recorders confirm. that the plane turned before the rocket hit, then all questions will remain to the crew, for what and why did he do it.

I don’t know who put me a minus, but it was clearly not Russian.

[Piramidon]

Quote: sabakina

I don’t know who put me a minus, but it was clearly not Russian

Are you checking dictations here or discussing an article? There is no need to stick out your literacy and try to pin up others for their mistakes, then they will not minus. After all, not everyone knows the Russian language "excellent" and not everyone present here, it is native.
You need to be more modest. By the way, in your phrase after "was, and" obviously "you should put commas.

[axiles100682]

A tragic mistake. The Iranians, of course, are good fellows that they didn’t bother and admitted their guilt. Now the question is why the pilot made this U-turn, essentially leaving his "echelon".
PS: Judging by the photo of Iran’s missile attack on American bases and the speed of the Iranian air defense response, Iran doesn’t have antediluvian weapons (accuracy of hit and speed of response at the level)

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: axiles100682

The Iranians, of course, fellows who did not bother and admitted their guilt.

and where to go, the wreckage of the liner and air defense missiles is an indisputable fact.

Quote: axiles100682

Now the question is why the pilot made this U-turn, essentially leaving his "echelon".

this is still an assumption put forward by the Iranian side

Quote: axiles100682

Iran doesn’t have such antediluvian weapons (accuracy of hit and speed of response at the level)

to get on a civilian airliner following a direct course without REP prepared by an air defense calculation (they were probably on alert after launching missiles at US bases) this is more unprofessionalism than merit (a civilian airliner taking off about its airport could not be distinguished from an adversary’s raid)

[axiles100682]

I had in mind only the speed of response and the accuracy of missile hits on American bases.
If the version does not confirm it will be a jamb of Iranian air defense.

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: axiles100682

I meant only the speed of response

and so it’s not clear to me how to respond to what? The Iranians were the first to launch missiles, most likely the Iranian army (including air defense) was put on alert.

[shahor]

Quote: axiles100682

missile accuracy on American bases.

The accuracy of hitting the bases is amazing. They came with jewelry accuracy so that, save Allah, not only not to hurt the military, even the parking lot was chosen empty. Not without pads - fragments chopped an empty tent and damaged the turntable. This is to the administration of VO. Information must still be checked - otherwise the plane is destroyed! And it turns out, a helicopter. And not destroyed, but damaged. And it was easy to check. The base is a helicopter. The runway where the plane was allegedly destroyed there is not there.

[loki565]

The wreckage, black boxes, everything on the territory of Iran, could collect everything and go into unconsciousness, no one had more evidence.

[kapitan92]

Quote: axiles100682

A tragic mistake. The Iranians, of course, fellows who did not bother and admitted their guilt.

Decent behavior of the Iranian authorities, we must pay tribute.
Against this background, the behavior of the authorities in the outskirts in 2001 look extremely negative.
Only in 2003, the outskirts signed intergovernmental agreements with Russia and Israel on compensation for the relatives of those killed in the crash without legal admission of guilt. In accordance with these agreements, Ukraine paid 200 thousand US dollars for each victim.
The financial claims of Siberia, for TU! 54, were not satisfied ..

[Avior]

They lied for three days, and they brought it in only when they pressed it against the wall, didn’t they bother it?
and continue to bustle and lie about a U-turn, although a flyradar with a flight path is available to everyone?
you have unusual interpretations of the word yulit ....

[Krasnodar]

Quote: axiles100682

A tragic mistake. The Iranians, of course, are good fellows that they didn’t bother and admitted their guilt. Now the question is why the pilot made this U-turn, essentially leaving his "echelon".
PS: Judging by the photo of Iran’s missile attack on American bases and the speed of the Iranian air defense response, Iran doesn’t have antediluvian weapons (accuracy of hit and speed of response at the level)

Not so antediluvian? Did they confuse the Boeing 737 with the B-52? With a cruise missile? With F-15/16/35?
If I’m not mistaken, the plane was at an altitude of 2,5 km, it was flying, while the usual flight altitude was 10 km, that is, it did not decrease, but, on the contrary, had to gain altitude. Or did the Persians decide that the Americans hung a reconnaissance plane over Tehran?

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Krasnodar

Did they confuse the Boeing 737 with the B-52? With a cruise missile?

The situation is simply heinous, 176 souls were carried to heaven, but other questions arise: how was the decision to use weapons made? Can't explain everything inflated decor. It was a constant position, so before that everything happened as expected, well, not everyone was just lucky. One subtle question: did the air defense have information about the civilian? Must have been; but he was delayed - they had to reactivate the flight plan and generate a new time, which was supposed to enter the air defense. When air defense has civilian flight plans, they relate to these marks in a different way - as always. I want to believe that the Iranians will illuminate this side of what happened.

[Terenin]

Of course, the tragedy is very sorry. But, I personally, from this I realized that the Iranians are determined (not like the USSR until June 22, 1941) and will not, 10 times, recheck the command to open fire in aggression.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Terenin

Iranians are determined ... and will not, 10 times, double-check the command to open fire in aggression.

This is 100% agree. Honestly, I’m generally surprised that they admitted, thought

[Atanesyan Armen Vartanovich]

Well, the Arabs and the masters !! Not one shot down Americanos and Israelis, but one and a half dozen Russians and Ukrainians, not to mention the rest

[Mark]

Against this background, the Iranian media are discussing a question related to why the Ukrainian pilot, having lifted the airliner into the air, suddenly changed course by almost 180 degrees. It’s stated that it was at that moment that the rocket hit the plane,

It is possible that the pilots performed some sort of reconnaissance mission but were not fully informed about the risks.

[Baloo]

Quote: Mark

It is possible that the pilots performed some sort of reconnaissance mission but were not fully informed about the risks.

So it was with the Boeing over Sakhalin. On the first channel, they showed the disposal of what the divers got: Packs of passports tied with duct tape, junk, incl. children's toys and so forth ... And the bodies ??? Where are the corpses? But what is the fate of the senator who was supposed to fly and did not fly this "flight"?

[Mark]

And the behavior of the Ukrainian authorities, which openly stated that they did not insist on the version that the plane was shot down, also raises some suspicion, which is very unusual behavior. Those. Ukrainians were ready to accept any result, but the most convenient for them was “technical reasons”.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Balu

with a Boeing over Sakhalin.

There is a very interesting interview with divers - there were no bodies on the plane. Osipovich said that he walked lit like a Christmas tree. In general, even if you believe the bourgeois authors, the Americans are there for several weeks pulled Union air defense, when KAL007 was violated by airspace, no one even stood on ceremony, then they began to think.

[Baloo]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

There is a very interesting interview with divers - there were no bodies on the plane

The crew consisted of former military pilots of the South Korean Air Force.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Balu

The crew consisted of former military pilots of the South Korean Air Force.

This is not an indicator, it is a Korean Airline disease, it is full of former military personnel. They got to the point that they have written in the Certificate of the Operator from ICAO that either 20% of foreigners or the certificate will be taken away, or at some point they began to look like a branch of the Air Force.
There is one plausible version: they did not switch the control channel from the course to navigation, the established fact was that they did not compare their position with the given one - they simply reported. As a result, they shifted to the airspace of the Union, where the air defense was also on the platoon: the Americans were naughty for several weeks. Boom...

[Baloo]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

the Americans were naughty for several weeks. Boom..

There twisted the apvak, which tried to hide behind a Boeing, and a satellite hung

[Pete mitchell]

They were naughty, they carried out exercises there and pulled air defense. And the KAL007 flight itself is still teeming with undisclosed details. The men who sat in Smirnykh on the database only talked about KAL007.

[Liam]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

. And the KAL007 flight itself is still teeming with undisclosed details.

What are the undisclosed details ?.

[Pete mitchell]

I still wildly apologize, but we already tried. Why is your understanding of the definition common sense aka mnogobukoff wiki reminds me.
Au revoiralthough I will refrain

[Liam]

What have we tried? Attract an owl in the form of a CRM to the globe in the form of an anti-aircraft missile explosion? This is nonsense in its purest form. Like the "undisclosed details" KAL007. For sane people, all the details are disclosed. For those who want to cast a shadow on the fence, "there are nuances")

[vladcub]

Someone will be violently rejoicing: "I told you that it was Iran who shot down, but they minus me."
To be honest, I was between two versions: an air defense error, general psychosis, and my nerves could not stand it, and there are a million such cases that can be found. And "hand-kicking": now the technique has become complex, and the person is far from perfect and, somewhere, someone made a mistake. I was more inclined towards the second option

[dvina71]

Quote: vladcub

Honestly, I was between two versions:

but I generally waited for some kind of officialdom .. and did not expect anything .. Sit on the couch and assume .. that’s it ..

[iouris]

The Iranian authorities made the only right decision. Recognized. They did not block the airspace. However, a significant part of the responsibility for this incident falls on the aviation authorities of Ukraine and the airline, which allowed the departure of a passenger plane in the midst of hostilities. After all, the situation was clear as a clear day.
Air defense calculation deserved a vacation. Anti-aircraft gunners did their job as they were taught. Ochstaraya missile worked normally. No one draws conclusions from such incidents anywhere. Fly by train.

[75 Sergey]

C'mon, Ukraine is especially not guilty here, Kh.Z. when they start the war and the generals will begin to kill

[Astra wild]

"The air defense crew has earned a vacation" I am afraid that for some people this vacation will be eternal: if he is not condemned, then relatives can "deal with" him. Remember Kaloeva?

[iouris]

Quote: Astra wild

"Remember Kaloeva?

I remember. There, the Tu-154 died due to the indiscretion of the operator of a Swiss company. Kaloev helped her not to pay the claims of the victims' relatives. And here, the calculation of air defense during the fighting fulfilled its task. The Iranian authorities have all notified that they are launching retaliatory hostilities. They did not force the Ukrainian plane to fly. Iran's air defense system is outdated. The calculation of air defense covering objects, acted according to the instructions. What else do you not understand?

[sp77ark]

Not true. Iran threatened to respond, but did not close the airspace. Other airlines flew over Iran and changed routes only after the crash.

[iouris]

Quote: sp77ark

Not true.

I just pointed out that Iran is only to blame for not closing the airspace to (the irresponsible dunce). However, he even warned the States in advance about the attack on the base. What after that could begin from the US side, no one knew, so the air defense forces were preparing to shoot down US missiles and aircraft. The Iranians, most likely, do not have a state recognition system, so anyone who flies over Iran during hostilities should be prepared to be shot down (or try to do so). In the end, the sentry is not obliged to find out who did not stop at the shout: "Stop who is coming !?" and continues to move.

[sp77ark]

Iran is to blame only for not closing the airspace for (irresponsible mutt)

In the end, the sentry is not obliged to find out who did not stop at the shout: "Stop who is coming !?" and continues to move

The plane flew with a civilian transponder, did not change course.
In Iran, not Iraq. 4 hours after the shelling.
Iran is so white and fluffy ... monkeys with a grenade.
Why is it so? Poor thing ...

[freddyk]

Quote: iouris

a significant part of the responsibility for this incident falls on the aviation authorities of Ukraine and the airline, which allowed the departure of a passenger plane in the midst of hostilities. After all, the situation was clear as a clear day.
Air defense calculation deserved a vacation. Anti-aircraft gunners did their job as they were taught.

Precisely, I also think so. And the main culprits of the tragedy, of course, are the States that brewed this mess and again want to sit aside.

[voyaka uh]

And how many angry condemnations were
"American, Dutch, English, Canadian lies".
Iran - Respect! I did not play lies and unconsciousness.

[T.Henks]

Warrior, and where is the thermal trace of the rocket to the Boeing over the Donbass? Which year has gone, but the picture is still missing. Somehow such a statement does not look very good.

[voyaka uh]

A snapshot of the inversion trace appeared almost immediately, with a clear
georeferencing. He was introduced to the investigation one of the first
photo docs.

[T.Henks]

There, the shadows were not tied to time. And cloudiness.

[sp77ark]

You can’t argue against a video with a rocket launch.
https://twitter.com/ConflictsW/status/1215935919389401090

[75 Sergey]

Popa, the Americans were right

[iouris]

Well, not just "Americans". The version about the "natural" reasons for the death of the plane was suspicious from the very beginning. The problem is that the majority is always wrong, and the minority is sometimes right.

[Nedokomsomolets]

And could it be an operation to neutralize Iran’s air defense? Now dismantling, interrogation, investigation, removal, appointment, etc., testing of equipment, etc. will begin.
Then they will fly ...

[iouris]

Quote: Nedokomsomolets

And could it be an operation to neutralize Iran’s air defense? Now the showdown, interrogation, investigation, removal, appointment, etc. will begin.

This is Iran, baby. The harsh Iranian men are so harsh that they are unlikely to be engaged in such nonsense. Trump is to blame.

[cniza]

changed course by almost 180 degrees. It is stated that it was at that moment that the rocket hit the plane, which appeared in the area of ​​the location of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps facility.

It is interesting to know why and is it so?

[iouris]

Quote: cniza

It is interesting to know why and is it so?

We find out. Wait. And what does it matter now? Official statements of Iran - the plane was shot down by Iranian air defense systems. All that was this is reset.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: cniza

changed course by almost 180 degrees. It is stated that it was at that moment that the rocket hit the plane, which appeared in the area of ​​the location of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps facility.

It is interesting to know why and is it so?

Well, if you believe the exit scheme, then everyone flew past this object. It turned them around after the rocket hit. Therefore, the questions now are different: how and by whom the decision was made to use weapons.

[Shahno]

So it seems he turned around after a fire and an emergency ... Although the version of provocation, seizing and intercepting control, is probably less painful.
Especially unexpected, and most importantly to the place-
"in connection with American provocations in the region" ... I mean, the Americans just took and "banged" the Canadians in this liner ... with the help of the IRGC, yes, this is serious ..

[engineer74]

In 1988 (IR655), one monkey was given IGES, maybe we’ll start with those monkeys? By the way, they didn’t even apologize .... They accused Iran of that catastrophe, by analogy, Ukraine is to blame.

[Nedokomsomolets]

And one more thing: the plane is 3,5 years old, can there be some kind of small device, switched on remotely, and creating the signature of a clearly enemy aircraft for provoking an air defense attack?
Of course, the questions are exclusively amateurish, sorry in advance.

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Nedokomsomolets

And one more thing: the plane is 3,5 years old, can there be some kind of small device, switched on remotely, and creating the signature of a clearly enemy aircraft for provoking an air defense attack?
Of course, the questions are exclusively amateurish, sorry in advance.

Could Iran’s air defense shoot at a UFO and hit a Boeing? Your question is in the same series. What devices? Why look for something that is not there, and moreover, almost the entire chain leading to this tragedy is already clear. And if there is a desire to blame the United States, it is not a question, they are always to blame for the VO in any situation.

[Astra wild]

Perhaps I agree, but what do you think: is there a reason for this or not?

[friend of animals]

And how much talk was, the version about the rocket was perceived as openly hostile. Defended Iran as yourself. It looked inadequate. And now Iran is more sorry for them, although at first they rejected the possibility of a missile defense. Well, what about Ukraine without the topic.

[New Year day]

Quote: friend of beasts

Well, what about Ukraine without the topic.

Ukraine is our fse!

[vladcub]

Unfortunately, the site has become the rule in the case and without mentioning Ukraine. This is already tired. To a certain extent, this meets the interests of the authorities: to turn the arrows, but we are good

[113262a]

Well, yes, Ukraine is soft and fluffy! And the Boeing did not shoot down, and the air-conditioner 2.06 14 didn’t flock at us and the peaceful people — to shreds, and didn’t shoot at Snezhnoye on the beach, and are they also Makarov and Kondrashovka-aviation?

[friend of animals]

I wrote about this, the topic is not about Ukraine.

[usr01]

Admitting guilt ... is a sign of strength and honesty.
"Respect and respect" to Iran and its authorities.

[paul3390]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Afraid of Americans otvetki? They spotted the plane, and without understanding to the end they shot down.

I doubt that even the Persians would be so recklessly firing at everything flying in the civilian aviation flight zone without a very good reason. In addition, the passenger on the radar clearly shines like a Christmas tree, and the transponder must have been turned on. You will not confuse with a bomber or the Kyrgyz Republic. No - something is not clean here ...

[voyaka uh]

Russian Il near Khmeimim also shone on the radar, like a Christmas tree.
Did it keep the Syrian major from firing?
When gambling boobies in air defense - wait for trouble ...

[paul3390]

There was just a setup from Israel, it seemed. Ilom just covered up. However something similar might be here ...

[paul3390]

Not. If they hadn’t seen it, then they wouldn’t have posed it in that direction. It’s just that the Jewish letak Ilom took cover - the air defense missile system captured the most noticeable target. And the calculation did not have the qualifications to understand the rapidly changing environment ..

[huntsman650]

Sharaga, no air defense system. Our 62 years, when they hunted for Paulus, they also shot down their own (((

[Astra wild]

This was not officially reported

[huntsman650]

I looked at the box about those events, and there they told. One of our pilot died (((

[thanks]

Quote: voyaka uh

Russian Il near Khmeimim also shone on the radar, like a Christmas tree.
Did it keep the Syrian major from firing?

voyaka uh! As always - you lie! Israel's fault in this is obvious - in creating the situation in the airspace of Syria and the approach of one F-16 on the same course with the Il-20, and hence the retargeting of the S-200 anti-aircraft missile to a target with a higher EPR ... How many times have I already proved to you, and everything is useless! It would be better not to raise this topic.

[Astra wild]

Colleague, I do not like everyone, but I refrain from poking. In my rudeness, we are not embellished; let them demonstrate their unculture

[Voyager]

I do not understand all these "respect" and so on "Iran is great." It is their direct responsibility to admit their guilt in this tragedy. Another would be a medal awarded for recognition.

Now the main thing is how to avoid this in the future. How could this happen and what kind of mess is going on in Iran and in their communications and control services? And this is in a busy time, when everyone is monitoring the situation and double-checking the indicators.

[Strashila]

"Tehran: Establishing the entire chain of events leading to the strike on Boeing"
Chain.
As a result of the attack, a senior Iranian military dies.
In relation to one more breaks down.
What should the air defense calculation think when, for example, a civilian aircraft makes a U-turn towards an IRGC object without warning.
The calculation complied with the order.
During the Soviet era in the Krasnoyarsk Territory, a civilian side was shot down which entered the restricted area for flights.
Now it is important to understand what was primary.

[Shahno]

Quote: loki565

The wreckage, black boxes, everything on the territory of Iran, could collect everything and go into unconsciousness, no one had more evidence.

Something tells me that they were ... There were and are, and yes, satellites too. And ours happened to be in the zone there. In general, it did not work out conveniently.
To me that. You can’t bring people back.
Conclusion, if you want to "zhahnut", get ready. And that is stupid.
Madness is everything. In order to prove superiority, peaceful substitute.
Our way it was reported to both sides ...

[Shahno]

Quote: sabakina

Quote: Strashila

for what and why

Dear,
1. for something, for two hares, for a salary, etc.
2. for something, for hands, for the cumpole .... Obviously, you have repeatedly received the last ...
All the same, the Pentagon trolls have registered for VO!

Finally. Are they even registered, this is a serious plus ..

[Shahno]

Quote: pru-pavel

They were not obliged to report about Suleymani, but they squealed and could not stop in any way.

Well, a bad tooth ...

[midshipman]

Our plane was also delayed in Sochi (remember, it flew to Syria with the Alexandrov ensemble) due to overload. And he landed in Sochi only for refueling.

[huntsman650]

The Syrians brought down our silt, the Jews were to blame, here Iran was shot down, and the Americans were to blame)))

[Iskander. Richard]

In the information age, the obvious cannot be hidden. Iran was pushed against the wall, he had to confess. I hope new sanctions will finish this toxic state.

[taurtaurov]

Quote: Iskander. Richard

In the information age, the obvious cannot be hidden. Iran was pushed against the wall, he had to confess. I hope new sanctions will finish this toxic state.

Kill the sneaky troll against the wall

[Cat]

It is believed that all these events are a consequence of the intra-Iranian kneading. It seems that someone is dumping the IRGC: at first an incredibly accurate attack on Sulejmani (it’s definitely not possible without agents), then they shot down the side, which turned towards the IRGC base, then it turns out that part of the air defense was also from the IRGC. And the official authorities recognized their guilt very quickly.
Somehow involuntarily, associations appear with the downed Russian Su and the subsequent suppression of the conspiracy of generals in Turkey, led by the command of the Air Force

[valeryb]

Quote: Gato

then it turns out that part of the air defense was also part of the IRGC.

Why part? All of the IRGC was, according to publications. And the fact that the IRGC is drained, well, the classic case when the tail wags the dog. Here, either the IRGC or Iran, chose Iran, obviously. Apparently, Iran will behave here like a Stork. And this is very bad news for Assad, who has already bought apartments in Moscow.

[Cat]

Why part?

Part in the sense of military unit

or IRGC or Iran, chose Iran

Who chose? Who wants to substitute whom, and then strangle - ISIS official authority or vice versa?

[valeryb]

Quote: Gato

Part in the sense of military unit

I’m undershot. Sorry.

Quote: Gato

Who chose?

But this is a great mystery. Who knew, he chose.

[Astra wild]

Have you personally checked or guessed?

[Shahno]

Quote: Gato

It is believed that all these events are a consequence of the intra-Iranian kneading. It seems that someone is draining the IRGC: at first an incredibly accurate strike on Suleymani, then they knock down the side, turning towards the IRGC base, then it turns out that part of the air defense was also from the IRGC.
Somehow involuntarily there are associations with the downed Russian Su and the subsequent suppression of the conspiracy of generals in Turkey

Of course, drained. You can even guess who .. A little redistribution of power in Iran.
Only now the civilian side is overkill.

[Cat]

Only now the civilian side is overkill.

I think this is still a tragic accident. Although very timely for these "you can guess who." The Iranians confessed very quickly - apparently, they can't wait to appoint and punish those responsible.

The Ukrainian authorities are also in their repertoire - "to punish the guilty and pay compensation." Well, at least the sequence was not confused.

[vladcub]

Shakhno, here I 100% agree with you: it's disgusting when ordinary people are dying for the sake of "sharing the pie".
You certainly know better, the neighbors always know better than outsiders who stir up the water. Personally, I assume that someone is tired of the supremacy of Ayatol or the IRGC. Probably swara there at the very top

[vladcub]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Ukraine has not pleaded guilty to the Tu-154.

Iran also at first did not admit that it shot down a Ukrainian Boeing. What can I say? This is karma.

And who wants to admit that he is to blame? I understand the Iranians here

[Shahno]

Quote: lexus

Elementary. Autopilot, GPS navigation, etc. All electronic components (not only in aviation) are subject to external influences. Moreover, representatives of the special services of the producing country can carry it out secretly.

They can. And no one will ever know ... Only in memoirs.
But we have seen too much of our ancestors.

[maden.usmanow]

Iranians shot down civil liner, killed 170 civilians:

Well done, admitted.

The Americans eliminated the military, only 10 goals:

What bad terrorists

[Observer2014]

Conspiracy theory and all sorts of nonsense about the American setup and other rubbish did not grow together The Iranians turned out to have decent leaders In contrast to the Ukrainians. Everyone knows very well their "frostbite" when they shot down two civilian planes. To resist in such cases is simply stupid and useless. All the same, you need to provide the wreckage of the plane, and on them traces of a missile hit.

[A hundred]

Did everyone forget the slain Iranian general? The persecution of Iranian civilian killers for the downed (framed) Boeing (formerly Malaysian, now Ukrainian) begins. How everything is familiar
"Jewish scientists" work beautifully .. heh heh
Well continue .. Patterns and manuals are familiar!

[Shahno]

[quote = One Hundred] Everyone immediately forgot the killed Iranian general? The persecution of Iranian civilian killers for the downed (framed) Boeing (formerly Malaysian, now Ukrainian) begins. How everything is familiar
"Jewish scientists" work beautifully .. heh heh
Well continue .. Patterns and manuals are familiar.
Do Jewish scholars have manuals ?. Here I stand and think. As a percentage rummage.

[marshes]

This is what leads to when there are separate armed forces in the country that are not subordinate to the Ministry of Defense.
The guilty party recognized the IRGC, it is something like an SS, bypassing the Wehrmacht directly to Himler.

[Servisinzhener]

I was very surprised that Iran has such serious air defense problems. Just like with a single system. And not that it is full of outdated complexes, but that all this does not work as a single system. In a situation where each crew of the combat vehicle works on its own based on what it sees on its radar, you can not even talk about efficiency. And if they do not plan to surrender in the near future in a confrontation with the United States, they will have to solve this problem. Having stepped on the interests of individual representatives of the command of various power departments.
But in general this case once again confirms that the correct organization of any process is the key to success.

[Old26]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Afraid of Americans otvetki? They spotted the plane, and without understanding to the end they shot down.

Still, the Iranians lied, hoping that they would "carry it through." They knew that they had shot down a passenger liner, albeit by mistake. All the talk that the Iranians mistook him for an enemy plane, that he turned "in the wrong place and did not report" - to be honest, an excuse for his own population. But the fact remains. Human factor. Although this human factor also speaks of big problems in the air defense of Iran, as a minimum

Quote: Pedrodepackes

who are they? Air defense calculation? Or was the government in position? And if after launch the rocket still damaged the American plane, the scout and it fell somewhere on the territory of Iraq, why take on something that did not happen? If they knew that they shot at the liner, they would not have shot, the liner is not American, but to bring down a civilian liner could incur the wrath of countries even those that did not support the United States in adopting sanctions.

They are Iran. After all, the destruction of the "target" was not a hundred or two kilometers from the airport, but literally in kilometers.
Your phrase what "And if the American reconnaissance plane was damaged, which would have fallen on the territory of Iraq" does not fit into the chain of events. The minimum distance from Tehran to the border with Iraq is five hundred kilometers. Not a single reconnaissance aircraft (manned or unmanned) damaged by a rocket could not stretch 500 km

You write, "if they knew that they were shooting at the liner, they would not shoot"
It turns out that the Iranian air defense is a complete mess and the professionalism of Iranian air defense personnel is close to zero? Suddenly, the air defense personnel have a "target" that was not there 5 minutes before. A target appears, which moves away and gains altitude. A target appears that is larger than any possible American scout. Yet a 40-meter-long target gives off radar coverage much greater than an American drone or reconnaissance aircraft. With their professionalism, they remind of the Syrian air defense officers, who also "confused" a huge IL with Israeli fighters

Quote: T.Henks

Without respect, a troll cannot be reduced. An aviator hampers everything that doesn’t apply to the USA with Ukrainians. Very wise. How much do they pay for the line, as on the Maidan?

He just says things that are unpleasant for many. Many people can’t even imagine that the Iranians could have been trivial, though I don’t understand, but what did they expect? That only they will conduct the investigation and they will be able to hide uncomfortable facts?

[ender]

probably counted on the help of Russia.

Iran declared readiness to send black boxes of Ukrainian plane to Russia
https://lenta.ru/news/2020/01/10/iraaaa/

Well, someone still had the mind not to get into it ..

[ender]

The State Duma criticized the position of the Iranian authorities, who pleaded guilty to the crash of the passenger plane Boeing 737-800 "Ukraine International Airlines", which was mistakenly shot down by the military near Tehran. The corresponding statement was made by the deputy chairman of the defense committee Yuri Shvytkin, the radio station “Moscow Speaks” reports on Saturday, January 11.
https://lenta.ru/news/2020/01/11/zrya/

[atalef]

Quote: ender

The corresponding statement was made by the deputy chairman of the defense committee Yuri Shvytkin, the radio station “Moscow Speaks” reports on Saturday, January 11.
https://lenta.ru/news/2020/01/11/zrya/

Indeed, the State Duma - as it was called.?

[Shahno]

Quote: Bender Ostap

Please show the training manual! Patriots talk about her all the time, but don’t show! The killed terrorist is not comme il faut!

No, we don’t have manuals.

[Old26]

Quote: marshes

The guards admitted the IRGC, it’s something like SS, bypassing the Wehrmacht directly to Himler

In fact, the SS were directly subordinate to Hitler. Himmler was the No. 2 person in this hierarchy

[marshes]

Quote: Old26

In fact, the SS were directly subordinate to Hitler. Himmler was the No. 2 person in this hierarchy

Such a situation in any dictatorial country.
Although No. 2 was the head of the VATAP Martin Bormann, before that Rudolf Hess, Himler 4 or 5 was.

[Finn]

Quote: loki565

The wreckage, black boxes, everything on the territory of Iran, could collect everything and go into unconsciousness, no one had more evidence.

Or bomb a couple of days the crash site, as the Ukrainians did.

[Fishery]

It seems that the domestic air defense lately has been dropping everything except combat aircraft, or is this the qualification of buyers.

[Baloo]

Quote: Tonya

It seems that the domestic air defense lately has been dropping everything except combat aircraft, or is this the qualification of buyers.

Today the news showed the Iranian general, who on the diagram showed the point from which the deviation of the Boeing route began.

[Fishery]

they will not show it now
https://twitter.com/flightradar24?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1215881877942349825&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fkorrespondent.net%2Fukraine%2F4180984-sbytyi-samolet-ne-otklonialsia-ot-kursa-mau
the plane did not deviate from the course, Iran can tell a lot of things, but this is more for its citizens agitation

[Fishery]

“When the plane took off from Imam Khomeini Airport, the system detected a target. He [the operator] saw it. According to the information provided to the operator, he considered the situation to be military, thought that a cruise missile had been launched. The Lord's Forces soldier identified the target as a missile. had to report it, but the communication system was obviously disrupted, or there was interference, or the network was busy, but in any case he was unable to communicate, so he had the opportunity to make a decision within five seconds and cancel the launch. Unfortunately, he made the wrong decision, and the missile was fired and the plane was hit, "the general said. Not a word about the rejection, the general can be respected, he, unlike other pavoshniks, honestly admitted everything

[Old26]

Quote: marshes

Quote: Old26

In fact, the SS were directly subordinate to Hitler. Himmler was the No. 2 person in this hierarchy

Such a situation in any dictatorial country.
Although No. 2 was the head of the VATAP Martin Bormann, before that Rudolf Hess, Himler 4 or 5 was.

In the SS dear. I wrote in the structure of the SS, not the NSDAP
There were only two titles in the SS, which were unchanged from the moment of creation and were personally assigned to two characters. The highest rank is Der Oberste Fuehrer der Schutzstaffel. (Der Oberst Fuehrer der Schutzstaffel). The last rank was held by A. Hitler. It meant something like the following "SS Supreme Leader". The next in the hierarchy was the title of "Reichsfuehrer SS" - there was the only holder of this title - G. Himmler
Sorry, that is not the topic.

Quote: Tonya

It seems that the domestic air defense lately has been dropping everything except combat aircraft, or is this the qualification of buyers.

Qualification. At 14.07 I answered this question

[RoTTor]

Even the ancient Romans recommended starting with the answer to the question: WHO IS FAVORABLE?
Is Iran profitable? - NO!
Who benefits? - USA definitely!
And Boeing's reputation does not suffer, and the vassal who transports the citizens of the enemy US country through his capital is punished

Even the ancient Romans recommended starting with the answer to the question: WHO IS FAVORABLE?
Is Iran profitable? - NO!
Who benefits? - USA definitely!
And Boeing's reputation does not suffer, and the vassal who transports the citizens of the enemy US country through his capital is punished
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[taurtaurov]

So, the result of Iran for the innocently killed peacekeeper general
60 corpses and 200 rumpled, in a crush at his funeral, not one killed or wounded whale,
Shelling empty American bases
A sea of ​​shame after a lie about 80 killed and 200 wounded Americans, taken either by helicopters to Israel, or by planes to Germany.
Full pants in anticipation of a retaliatory attack from the United States and, as a result, a downed civilian plane. A complete mess, and these minke whales did not start to attack, what will happen ??? Why are we so sure that urine Israel will not fly missiles they are like the Syrians shoot at everything that moves

[sp77ark]

Epic failure: on the plane almost all Iranian emigrants with foreign citizenship.

Quote: taurtaurov

Why are we so sure that urine Israel will not fly missiles they are like the Syrians shoot at everything that moves

Specify who is wetting whom?

[sir_obs]

A strange story. And it seems to me that there will be a continuation. To take a civilian aircraft for a cruise missile, which also flies in the opposite direction, is even unforgivable for a novice operator.
Or there is a complete mess or one of two.
And it’s not the operator who decides to open fire. I don’t know how it’s in the fields, but on the ship there is a command to defeat the airborne target. “Take target designation,” but before that they accompany the target, determine its movement elements and how dangerous it is for the ship. After which target designation is issued to it or it is considered not dangerous and is simply followed until the situation changes.
A message flashed through the network that there was an American drone, on which they shot, but hit the airliner, similar to how our silt was shot down in Syria.
In general, delving into this story is not beneficial for any reason, and the Americans through Canadians voiced a version of an accidental defeat. And they could have promoted a nonrandom as well. Probably such a topic is not interesting to the Americans themselves.
As a result, they proposed Iran to agree, perhaps under some kind of agreement.
You can argue on this subject for a long time and throw stool at each other, but unfortunately you won’t get this back.
Random people have become hostages of other people's interests, in my opinion this is not news to anyone. Not the first time, and unfortunately not the last.
Is Iran to blame? If this is their rocket, of course, but no one has called for champions of "defending democracy around the world".

[exo]

Quote: ender

The State Duma criticized the position of the Iranian authorities, who pleaded guilty to the crash of the passenger plane Boeing 737-800 "Ukraine International Airlines", which was mistakenly shot down by the military near Tehran. The corresponding statement was made by the deputy chairman of the defense committee Yuri Shvytkin, the radio station “Moscow Speaks” reports on Saturday, January 11.
https://lenta.ru/news/2020/01/11/zrya/

It is strange that the State Duma might not like the Iranian statement. Excessive decency, unwillingness to shove on someone else?

[yfast]

In general, it is impossible to sell air defense to the Papuans without protection from the fool.
We learned how to control the sale of MANPADS, we must learn to control the frightened operators. And then we will sell a bunch of Torov, Bukov, Carapace with the auto-mode "do not fly, it will kill" and we will walk on water.

[RoTTor]

+ B-737-800: ERROR or "ERROR"?
WHOSE ERROR?
=================================
Everyone is now fantastically fantasizing. So we are not forbidden.

Do you believe that THREE EXPERIENCED PILOTs, one of which in the past is a first-class military pilot, unit commander participating in international control flights ,,. Suddenly everyone was wrong and deviated from the take-off course? To the side of the restricted area?
Moreover, all UIA crews train
on the profile of THIS airdrome, where once the Ukrainian An-140 crashed with a delegation of stars from the Ukrainian aviation industry?

We - DO NOT BELIEVE!

Moreover, all the other sides at the same time took off and entered the landing without incident

LIKE THERE, the reinforced crew of the V-737-800 could only if the overseas "allies" ASKED to check the very object and the state of the Iranian air defense system ...

As the Americans have already done with the South Korean Boeing, it is a little sneaky, which reconnoitred the country's air defense in the Far East in 1983 and was legally shot down.

Overseas cynicism is enough for this: they didn’t risk their own!

I hope that at least one of the readers also served in the Air Defense Forces, or at least went on guard.

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[Adimius38]

Something seems to me that here without the help of our "friends" from across the ocean could not do. The loss of communication with the command center at the air defense operator is very suspicious. The version that Iran was stupidly framed is also very likely, our friends in the USA are experts at this

[AKS-U]

The IRGC has already entered into a correspondence dialogue not only with the army, but also with the government. Apparently, they decided to stick to the line so that all the dogs would not end up being hanged on the IRGC.
The editor-in-chief of the IRGC-controlled publication Tasnim said:
"The misleading actions of the government are as significant and exceptionally important as the disaster itself. Officials who mislead the media are also guilty. We are all covered in shame."
The SAM operator received information about a cruise missile. Having not received a clear answer from the command, possibly due to electronic interference, he seized the airliner and launched the missile.
The IRGC informed the country's leadership about the incident on Wednesday. But the General Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces isolated everyone who knew about this and decided to reveal the truth later.
It feels like a conflict is flaring up before our eyes between the Iranian army and the IRGC, and the IRGC openly accused the General Staff of suppressing the truth for four days.

[iuocsfyu]

Against this background, the Iranian media are discussing a question related to why the Ukrainian pilot, having lifted the airliner into the air, suddenly changed course by almost 180 degrees.

- Bullshit. The flytradar showed everything clearly.

[Vladimir Ilyich]

First, in righteous anger, they killed dozens of their fanatics at the general’s funeral, then they bombed a couple of empty runways at American bases and, out of fright, shot down a civilian plane. What if they had nuclear weapons?

[Pavel57]

You can recall a more ancient story, how an American destroyer destroyed an Iranian A-300.

So it’s not just the Papuans who shoot down civilian aircraft.

[Astra wild]

Quote: Shahno

Quote: Bender Ostap

Please show the training manual! Patriots talk about her all the time, but don’t show! The killed terrorist is not comme il faut!

No, we don’t have manuals.

I’ll put it to you: manuals are needed