On the Web, they mocked the Ukrainian "expert" for words about the lack of a surface fleet in Russia

On the Web, they mocked the Ukrainian "expert" for words about the lack of a surface fleet in Russia

The network mocked another "expert" statement by the chairman of the All-Ukrainian public organization "Ukraine in NATO" Yuri Romaniuk, who in an interview with the "Obozrevatel" portal said that Russia "has no surface fleet".


Commenting on the statements of Romaniuk, users called on the “expert” to first pay attention to the problems of the Ukrainian fleet, and then criticize Russia.

Is dementia and incompetence a mandatory requirement for Ukrainian experts?

- asks one of the commentators.

Nord Stream-2 and the Crimean bridge also do not exist

- declares another.

Many of those commenting have wondered where Ukraine finds "such idiots."

Earlier, Yuri Romanyuk, commenting on the teachings of the Northern and Black Sea fleets that took place in the Black Sea and was watched by Russian President Vladimir Putin, said that the Black Sea Fleet is not only inferior to the Turkish, but also significantly superior to the Romanian fleet. According to him, the Black Sea Fleet is in an “extremely deplorable” state.

In fact, Putin did not come to the Black Sea Fleet exercises, but to the funeral of the Black Sea squadron. Therefore, to say that the Black Sea Fleet poses some kind of threat in the region is just some kind of hyperbole

- he said.

According to Romaniuk, the only thing that Russia has and poses a real threat is nuclear submarines.

Earlier Romanyuk said that in the military aspect, Ukraine surpasses at least 13 NATO member countries.
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  1. private person 11 January 2020 10: 53 New
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    On the Web, they mocked the Ukrainian "expert" for words about the lack of a surface fleet in Russia

    Well, this is with whom to compare, if with Ukraine, then we are stronger.
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    2. huntsman650 11 January 2020 11: 33 New
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      Again for the truth minus man. America is inferior to the same hundreds of times in quality and number of surface ships.
      1. private person 11 January 2020 11: 39 New
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        Well, it’s better to put a minus, and if you really make a comparison, but not with Georgia, Romania. And with those who can really confront Russia it is the United States, England, Germany, Turkey and of course China as without it. This week there was an article about the situation with submarines in the Russian Navy, sad and only, and the only aircraft carrier that was burned for repair. And right there in VO wrote that most of the ships require repair.
        1. huntsman650 11 January 2020 12: 08 New
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          This is the political minus))))
          1. A hundred 11 January 2020 12: 17 New
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            Quote: huntsman650
            This is the political minus))))

            What do you have against the politicians?
            It’s in “your media” that they put us like that ..
            Jokes even come up with ..
            We went to the morgue to identify the dead ..
            And one corpse's tongue moves ..
            Who is this? He is alive ..?
            No, this is our political officer ..
            Black humor. angry
            1. huntsman650 11 January 2020 12: 18 New
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              I have read Pokrovsky, from boldness my handbook, Shoot.
              1. A hundred 11 January 2020 12: 59 New
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                Quote: huntsman650
                I have read Pokrovsky, from boldness my handbook, Shoot.

                And I also read different things .. Not all of them were, it was not for nothing that the Germans immediately shot them
                I also read about the Afghan political officer .. I went to combat raids with sodats. I talked to them heart to heart (and remained the captain), and there are many such examples .. soldier
                "Politruks" on the Tashkent front were formed and then, when misfortune passed the country, they were the first to rush to Moscow, to introduce the "party policy" to the masses .. Until comfrey popped out .. hi
                And in the schools of political workers, it was they who taught the commanding staff how to spread rot and "teach" .. The prokhendeys worked beautifully ..
                1. huntsman650 11 January 2020 13: 06 New
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                  Do not confuse God's gift and fried eggs. It’s hard without humor in the war))). There is such an author A. Pokrovsky. He writes humorous stories about SF. One of his books, Shoot. You don’t have to dig too deep.
                  1. A hundred 11 January 2020 14: 16 New
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                    Quote: huntsman650
                    Do not confuse God's gift and fried eggs. It’s hard without humor in the war))). There is such an author A. Pokrovsky. He writes humorous stories about SF. One of his books, Shoot. You don’t have to dig too deep.

                    It's hard without humor, but humor can be different ...
                    And there is no need to advertise anti-Soviet authors !!!
                    You’re still the “Suvorov” traitor of the Motherland, put an example here .. negative
                    1. huntsman650 11 January 2020 14: 37 New
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                      So you read the traitor, also funny)))
                      1. A hundred 11 January 2020 14: 41 New
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                        Quote: huntsman650
                        So you read the traitor, also funny)))

                        Yes, I reread all of their whiners of anti-Soviet leaders first and foremost ... did not hook me, and I'm just sorry hi
                        Where are they all now?
                      2. huntsman650 11 January 2020 14: 46 New
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                        I really don’t know about Pokrovsky, the Soviet era has passed and Putin criticizes the communists, and Medvedev in America during the reload said that unite against the slogan of the Proletariat of all countries. Where did you get that Pokrovsky anti-Soviet? He is a chemist))) a submariner, where he is a whiner)))
                      3. A hundred 11 January 2020 15: 00 New
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                        Quote: huntsman650
                        I really don’t know about Pokrovsky,

                        Come on ..))) Pokrovsky your not calm down
                        Quote: huntsman650
                        Putin criticizes the Communists, and Medvedev in America during the preload said that unite against the slogan of the Proletarians of all countries. Where did you get that Pokrovsky anti-Soviet? He is a chemist))) a submariner, where he is a whiner)))

                        They are afraid of cowards for their children in the west attached ..
                        But we live in Russia and we have nothing to lose! Is that so Andrey?
                        Who are you with? For "this country" or for the homeland, the Fatherland ..
                        It’s time to be determined, otherwise they will trample us with balabolism and other facts ..
                        I advise you as Meehan Do not read or listen to the "Echo"! hi
                      4. huntsman650 11 January 2020 16: 43 New
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                        I’m a fan of M. Zadorny and Old Man Makhno (at heart)) And it’s one thing to hurt your soul, and something else to do!
                      5. DMB_95 11 January 2020 20: 30 New
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                        Quote: huntsman650
                        I’m a fan of M. Zadorny and Old Man Makhno (at heart)) And it’s one thing to hurt your soul, and something else to do!

                        Well, I really like Simonov’s trilogy, “Alive and Dead,” where one of the main characters is Political Instructor Sintsov, an excellent man. And no “cons" my attitude to such people will not change.
                2. krot 11 January 2020 16: 14 New
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                  Our fleet is recognized as the second striped in the world after their own! Even cooler than China .. Although China is a couple of years old, and it will leave us behind, behind the size of its surface fleet
                3. Archon 13 January 2020 02: 54 New
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                  Locally, on the Far East, the Japanese Navy's Fleet will obviously be more powerful than the Russian one.
          2. Grits 11 January 2020 16: 40 New
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            Quote: Hundred
            And there is no need to advertise anti-Soviet authors !!!

            The film "72 meters", by the way, based on the works of Pokrovsky was shot.
          3. qQQQ 11 January 2020 20: 35 New
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            Quote: Hundred
            And there is no need to advertise anti-Soviet authors !!!

            Since when did Pokrovsky become an anti-Soviet? He’s a little exaggerated, but on the whole the army is like that, it’s not without reason that folk wisdom says: who was in the army in the circus does not laugh.
    3. 22 dmdc 11 January 2020 15: 04 New
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      And on what projects did you fool yourself?
    4. Dalmatia 11 January 2020 17: 48 New
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      I bought two volumes of Pokrovsky, but have not yet begun to read.
      1. Alexey Kurtov 12 January 2020 12: 06 New
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        Pokrovsky is a classic of naval humor, therefore, with all due respect to you, I don’t know if a woman will accept his stories. Try to start the story “Nancy”.
        1. Dalmatia 12 January 2020 17: 44 New
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          I read Sharks from steel by Eduard Ovechkin, I liked it very much. True, I had to tinker with the terms. And it was with Ovechkin that I read about Pokrovsky’s book. Thanks for the tip on Nepsi
  2. Sailor 11 January 2020 16: 06 New
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    It’s interesting, and if a “non-existent” surface fleet is gouged in one gang by the armed forces gang, what will this expert say? laughing
    The fact that our fleet, to put it mildly, has seen better times, is a fact, but to say that it does not exist ... repeat
  3. Marconi41 11 January 2020 16: 13 New
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    What do you have against the politicians?

    A completely useless military caste! It is thanks to them that middle-level commanders are choking on unnecessary pieces of paper, orders and ridiculous orders to strengthen discipline, according to which, if anything, the commander will be to blame. This in turn leads to protections. I do not mean individual "commissars", but their entire institution.
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  • Sergey1987 11 January 2020 12: 35 New
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    And with those who can really confront Russia it is the United States, England, Germany, Turkey and of course China as without it.

    )))) Well, let's compare with England and Germany. And to compare with the USA and China is simply stupid. These countries are leaders in the world in economics and population more.
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    This week there was an article about the situation with submarines in the Russian Navy sadness and only

    But who knows what of whiners writes in VO. Is that the ultimate authority? Can they themselves be able to tell what is so bad with submarines?
    1. Krasnoyarsk 11 January 2020 13: 10 New
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      Quote: Sergey1987
      Can they themselves be able to tell what is so bad with submarines?

      What is there to tell? There are catastrophically few of them ..., nuclear-powered ships, and there are no air-independent ones at all.
      1. Bratkov Oleg 11 January 2020 14: 08 New
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        In Germany there are 6 “non-volatile” ones, and everyone is under repair; they are unable to carry out combat and training tasks. But cool!
        1. Krasnoyarsk 11 January 2020 14: 30 New
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          Quote: Bratkov Oleg
          In Germany there are 6 “non-volatile” ones, and everyone is under repair; they are unable to carry out combat and training tasks. But cool!

          But what do I care about some kind of Germany? I need to be in Russia. And they weren’t just there, but they also went to the database and took part in all kinds of exercises.
      2. Sergey1987 11 January 2020 14: 21 New
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        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        What is there to tell? There are catastrophically few of them ..., nuclear-powered ships, and there are no air-independent ones at all.

        Few? Can you name at least one country other than the USA and the Russian Federation that has 10 SSBNs and 16 nuclear submarines? And these are only those that are in service, not counting the repair.
        1. Krasnoyarsk 11 January 2020 14: 33 New
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          Few?

          And the presence of these in the United States was too shy to indicate? The emphasis was on the fact that Mauritius does not have them at all. It’s good that you are not a deputy. Minister of Defense for Armaments.
          1. Sergey1987 11 January 2020 15: 29 New
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            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            And the presence of these in the United States was too shy to indicate?

            Yes, you know somehow not. Well, we have 10 SSBNs in the USA, 14 so what? But just where did you get the idea that we should have as many SSBNs and nuclear submarines as the United States?
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            The emphasis was on the fact that Mauritius does not have them at all.

            Just like in Singapore, you just did not answer the question. Do you think that we have few SSBNs and nuclear submarines? What is your opinion based on? Why do you think that they are few? How many do you think should be?
            1. Krasnoyarsk 11 January 2020 19: 32 New
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              Quote: Sergey1987

              Yes, you know somehow not. Well, we have 10 SSBNs in the USA, 14 so what? But just where did you get the idea that we should have as many SSBNs and nuclear submarines as the United States?

              I am not arithmetically approaching this issue. And from the perspective of the capabilities of the SSBN on both sides. How many of our SSBNs will survive, in the event of a conflict, after the strike of the American multi-purpose nuclear submarines? And how many US SSBNs will be able to destroy our multi-purpose submarines? By the way, for some reason, you were silent about the number of our multi-purpose nuclear submarines and Amer.
              I understand that the conflict, if it happens, will not be between the nuclear submarines of the parties to the conflict, but between all types of armed forces, and therefore I would like not a single type of Russian armed forces to lose in the confrontation. And for this it is necessary, if losing quantitatively, then winning qualitatively. And since in the qualitative respect we are losing in the marine component, and in the nuclear submarines, too, in this situation the quantitative factor is by no means the last one.
              1. Sergey1987 15 January 2020 11: 06 New
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                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                I am not arithmetically approaching this issue. And from the perspective of the capabilities of the SSBN on both sides. How many of our SSBNs will survive, in the event of a conflict, after the strike of the American multi-purpose nuclear submarines? And how many US SSBNs will be able to destroy our multi-purpose submarines?

                So the task is that the SSBN is not to approach the shores of the enemy. Their task is to be on duty and in times of war to release ICBMs. In times of war, not ours, not Amerov’s nuclear submarines, will have no time to find anyone.
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                By the way, for some reason, you were silent about the number of our multi-purpose nuclear submarines and Amer.

                Yes, I didn’t. And so it is clear that there are more of them. The thing is different. I repeat once again. How did you get the idea that we should have the same number of SSBNs and nuclear submarines as the United States? We are a different country. The GDP of the Russian Federation is 4,2 trillion dollars, and the United States 19. What do we need now to set up 800 bases around the world like them?
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                I understand that the conflict, if it happens, will not be between the nuclear submarines of the parties to the conflict, but between all types of armed forces and therefore I would like that not one type of Russian armed forces lose in the confrontation. And for this it is necessary, if losing quantitatively, then winning qualitatively.

                So that's it. I agree with you on this.
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                And since, in terms of quality, we are losing in the offshore component, and in the nuclear submarines too

                But I do not agree with this. It is interesting why our submarines are worse than them?
                1. Krasnoyarsk 15 January 2020 11: 22 New
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                  Quote: Sergey1987

                  But I do not agree with this. It is interesting why our submarines are worse than them?

                  In the noise and the ability to detect the adversary and its identification earlier than the adversary does. A APKSN in the number of missiles on board. The “Bulava” is inferior to the “Trident-2” in reliability, I don’t know about the accuracy, I won’t talk.
                2. Sergey1987 18 January 2020 12: 03 New
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                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  In the noise and the ability to detect the adversary and its identification earlier than the adversary does.

                  https://warhead.su/2018/02/02/yasen-vs-virdzhiniya-chya-podlodka-kruche
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  A APKSN in the number of missiles on board. Mace inferior to Trident 2

                  Well, the Mace on the Boreas, on the Dolphins Liner. This is not the case. Well, let it be on Boreas 16, but on Ohio 24 ICBMs so what? And 16 is enough to destroy all the major major US cities, and given the number of SSBNs, you can wipe off the face of the earth along and across the US. In these boats this is not the main thing.
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  Mace inferior to Trident-2 in reliability,

                  Mace: Number of starts 34, unsuccessful 7. ICBMs were created recently and like anyone at the beginning there were problems. The last 14 starts are successful. At Trident-2, too, not everything was ideally. He is much older because 150 starts, and 4 failures. This is normal. To say that because of this straight Mace is not reliable, and the other reliable is impossible.
                  The most important thing is different. Well, we have quite a few nuclear powered ships. Fine. And the quality is not worse.
        2. Marconi41 11 January 2020 16: 16 New
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          And the presence of these in the United States was too shy to indicate? The emphasis was on the fact that Mauritius does not have them at all.

          Compare Romania and Turkey specified in the article ?!
        3. Rusj 11 January 2020 20: 17 New
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          Where are you from ? crawled out?
      3. Grits 11 January 2020 16: 42 New
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        And can you tell me at least one country except the USA and the Russian Federation which has 10 SSBNs and 16 nuclear submarines

        By the way, there are no cruisers in other fleets. Only in the Russian Federation and the USA
    2. Finn 12 January 2020 01: 58 New
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      [quote] [/ quote] fellow countryman bummer with submarines. Now the technology is such that the buoys are scattered and they shine for 100 km. By changing the magnetic field of the earth. The Kirdyk triad knows everything from where they have moored and where they are now.
  • lis-ik 11 January 2020 13: 21 New
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    It’s easier to put the question differently. What developed countries do we surpass quantitatively and most importantly qualitatively in the surface fleet? It will immediately become sad.
    1. Vladimir_6 11 January 2020 14: 27 New
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      Quote: lis-ik
      It’s easier to put the question differently. What developed countries do we surpass quantitatively and most importantly qualitatively in the surface fleet? It will immediately become sad.

      And why raise this particular question?
      Let's put the question differently. Which developed countries are superior to Russia in hypersonic weapons? The sadness will pass immediately.
      It is not possible to be leaders everywhere and in everything. The main thing is that Russia can stand up for itself.
      Yes, and not just for yourself.
      1. Stas157 11 January 2020 16: 02 New
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        It is not possible to be leaders everywhere and in everything.

        This time very often they say just that, justifying their lag. But in the USSR they didn’t say that, because he was ahead of the rest. And in general, if a country claims to be a superpower (and Russia claims to be constantly saying this everywhere), then we need to keep the bar. At least in the navy. A country washed by 12 seas and three oceans.
        1. Vladimir_6 11 January 2020 17: 08 New
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          This time very often they say just that, justifying their lag. But in the USSR

          The USSR included 16 republics. Therefore, material, production and human resources were much greater. This is the first.
          Secondly, the country's leadership has a much clearer idea of ​​the priorities of the necessary types of weapons than those of the "couch experts".
          Quote: Stas157
          And in general, if a country claims to be a superpower (and Russia claims to be constantly saying this everywhere), then we need to keep the bar.

          Russia does not claim to be a superpower. Russia is a superpower.
          Otherwise, in Syria today it would have been different.
          Do not believe Barack Obama that he tore the Russian economy to shreds.
          1. lis-ik 11 January 2020 18: 25 New
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            The USSR included 16 republics.

            Isn't it 15?
            1. Vladimir_6 11 January 2020 18: 31 New
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              Quote: lis-ik
              Quote: Vladimir_6
              The USSR included 16 republics.

              Isn't it 15?

              The number of union republics of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics varied from 4 to 16.
              "In August 1940, the Moldavian SSR (August 2), the Lithuanian SSR (August 3), the Latvian SSR (August 5) and the Estonian SSR (August 6) were admitted to the USSR; the Union Republics became 16."
              "Since July 16, 1956, the Karelian-Finnish SSR was returned to the status of an autonomous republic within the RSFSR and again transformed into the Karelian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic; there were 15 union republics."
              We can also assume that 15. hi
      2. Cetron 11 January 2020 17: 48 New
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        And what's the use of hyper super rockets? One stroke of the pen, a small tweet, and SP2 is stopped, the lards to Ukraine are paid and are still preparing to pay twice as much. If the hegemon wants, I think, cut the super missiles in two days and say that this is for Russia's greatness. That's what life-giving sanctions do.
        1. Vladimir_6 11 January 2020 18: 16 New
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          And what's the use of hyper super rockets? One stroke of the pen, a small tweet, and SP2 is stopped,

          Not stopped, but paused. Your joy is stupid and meaningless. SP2 will be completed.
          Quote: Cetron
          If the hegemon wants, I think

          Do not think much. Do not overstrain the brain. Your cardboard hegemon received a bitter pill from the Persians and took his feet from the Persian Gulf with such speed that yachtsmen envied him (the hegemon).
          You put too much on the hegemon. He is simply not up to you.
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            There is no joy whatsoever, SP2 will probably be completed, or maybe not - Russia's capabilities are very limited under the current effective managers.
            But the possibilities of the "cardboard" ...
            Silk, and Russia has no aluminum industry. Silk, and SP2 stopped. Silk, and Ukrainians with money.
            Our Latvians long barked at Russia, and transit went and went. Click - sanctions against Latvian ports, transit has stopped, ships are simply afraid to enter. The ruling all the same, only the workers suffered - they had already announced mass layoffs (personally, they haven’t touched me yet, but I’m not feeling for long).
            So who rules the world? Who has the button? Honor and patriotism is good, but if objectively ...
            1. Vadim237 11 January 2020 23: 05 New
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              You can’t rustle - Gazprom has applied for the retrofitting of one of our joint venture pipelines SP 2, it will be completed 1,5 - 2 kilometers per day.
    2. Grits 11 January 2020 16: 48 New
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      Quote: lis-ik
      It’s easier to put the question differently. What developed countries do we surpass quantitatively and most importantly qualitatively in the surface fleet? Immediately sad become

      Somewhere recently I saw statistics. And most interestingly, the Russian fleet is still in second place after the American one. Of course, I strongly doubt that China has already pushed him aside, but so far this is a fact. Yes, and he holds on to this place, most likely, already from the last forces. And obviously soon it will roll lower and lower. To the American fleet, of course, to us, as to the moon on foot (as well as to all other fleets), but to say that there is absolutely no fleet - it just needs to be an open blunt.
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        Yes, and he holds on to this place, most likely, already from the last forces. And obviously soon it will roll lower and lower.

        Holds on because of nuclear boats, and so far, but surface ones are completely sad.
        1. Grits 12 January 2020 03: 33 New
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          Quote: lis-ik
          Holds on because of nuclear boats, and so far, but surface ones are completely sad.

          I agree. Without ARL, it would be not just sad, but disastrous.
    3. Rusj 11 January 2020 20: 18 New
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      United Kingdom France Germany Italy list more?
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        Quote: Rusj
        United Kingdom France Germany Italy list more?

        First rank ships are being put into operation, can we boast of this? Not a single ship after the collapse of the USSR.
        1. lis-ik 12 January 2020 15: 36 New
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          Quote: lis-ik
          Quote: Rusj
          United Kingdom France Germany Italy list more?

          First rank ships are being put into operation, can we boast of this? Not a single ship after the collapse of the USSR.

          Hurray patriots do not want to face reality.
  • Eroma 11 January 2020 13: 26 New
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    Of the countries you have listed, only the United States is stronger at sea, China outnumbers, maybe the number gives China superiority at sea, but the British, French, Germany at sea against Russia are in the same position as Russia against the USA, that they can, but globally not able to win a war at sea. The European fleet as a whole is able to withstand the Russian Navy, individually, the European countries are weak, probably Germany in the Baltic Sea can count on domain domination, but in the ocean they are dead!
    1. Vladimir_6 11 January 2020 14: 17 New
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      Quote: Eroma
      Of the countries you have listed, only the United States is stronger at sea,

      This is if you arrange sea battles. And if the enemy of the United States has reliable means of destroying the fleet, then the number of ships is not critical.
      The United States just confirmed this when drapanuli from the Persian Gulf.
      And Russia has much more opportunities to destroy the US fleet than Iran.
      Although this is not needed. Putin said: "We will hit the decision centers."
    2. Grits 11 January 2020 16: 59 New
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      This fleet separately is clearly weaker than the USA, but more powerful than the fleet of Norway, Great Britain and some sort of Iceland.


      1. huntsman650 11 January 2020 18: 24 New
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        Iceland does not have a fleet) and half of the pictures are not on track)
        1. Grits 12 January 2020 03: 30 New
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          Quote: huntsman650
          Iceland does not have a fleet) and half of the pictures are not on track)

          Especially for those who have not figured it out, I explain - there the ships in repair and construction are highlighted in different colors. True, the picture is already very old. Some ships can no longer be considered ships. But there were also new ones that were not included in them.
          And the fact that Iceland does not have a fleet is their personal problem and Trump, to me what are the claims on their fleet?
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      Quote: Eroma
      Of the countries you have listed, only the United States is stronger at sea

      This fleet is clearly weaker than the USA, weaker than China and Japan. But more powerful than the fleets of South Korea and North Korea, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam.

    4. Grits 11 January 2020 17: 04 New
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      Quote: Eroma
      Of the countries you have listed, only the United States is stronger at sea

      This fleet has become more powerful than Turetsky after new arrivals. And especially Romanian, Bulgarian and khe-khe ... Ukrainian
    5. Grits 11 January 2020 17: 07 New
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      Quote: Eroma
      Of the countries you have listed, only the United States is stronger at sea

      Fot this fleet will be no worse than German, Swedish, and especially Danish, Finnish or Polish. About Lithuanian, Danish and Estonian I will not say anything.
    6. Grits 11 January 2020 17: 09 New
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      Of the countries you have listed, only the United States is stronger at sea

      And there is still such a small flotilla. Nevertheless, it is still more powerful than the fleet of Iran, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan.
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        Quote: Eroma
        Of the countries you have listed, only the United States is stronger at sea

        And there is still such a small flotilla. Nevertheless, it is still more powerful than the fleet of Iran, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan.

        no, well, how without an aircraft carrier in the Caspian? what kind of garbage?
    7. Grits 11 January 2020 17: 12 New
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      Of the countries you have listed, only the United States is stronger at sea

      Thus, individually, fleets are inferior to some countries. But they will not yield to others. And if you count it together, then it’s quite a serious force. Till.
      Sorry to reference your post exactly. Nothing personal. It was just more convenient.
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        And if you count it together, then it’s quite a serious force. Till.

        So it’s impossible to count together. How, if something happens, let's say the Black Sea can help the Pacific or Baltic or Northern fleets? No way. Did Baltic help greatly help the Pacific in 905? Help result remember? And it’s not even Rozhdestvensky’s, it’s the matter of distances. So, if disaster happens, the Pacific will have to fight alone with the fleets of the USA, Japan and South Korea and, quite possibly, Australia. Do you understand this? And the Black Sea alone with the fleets of Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, Turkey, Italy and further on the list.
        1. Eroma 12 January 2020 02: 47 New
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          You describe a conflict in which nuclear weapons will be the main caliber! And what the fleet will be busy with is already the fifth case! The adversary’s squadrons will be evaporated in a nuclear fire! ...
          And without the United States, all opponents with superiority at sea are inferior in the air and have nothing to oppose against tactical and cruise missiles! ... the fleet, this is only part of the armed forces, if we compare the Russian army and the armies of our neighbors, then the comparison is in our favor, and with solid stock
          1. Krasnoyarsk 12 January 2020 10: 11 New
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            You describe a conflict in which nuclear weapons will be the main caliber!

            You are mistaken. If the issue is decided not to "be or not to be," but to be dominant in the world or to cede it to someone, then neither side will dare to use nuclear weapons and therefore there will be an ordinary war game. And in it the fleet will play not the last violin. The adversary will not compete with us on the land theater, he will start a game with us at sea and in the air, where, alas, we lose today, both qualitatively and quantitatively.
            1. Eroma 12 January 2020 13: 21 New
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              Global dominance, this is the question of being or being, and there will be no half measures in it! am
              Russia does not pretend to be the world, but sits on “fat topics” (oil, gas, weapons) + independent. Imagine that we are being thrown away from our topics (the energy market of Europe, as an example), this is the collapse and disappearance of Russia, and why do we need a world where Russia is not? what
              The USA due to hegemony is sooooo rich, but if you deprive them of the hegemony, what will happen to the USA, perhaps also collapse, do you think they will not burn the world?
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                Quote: Eroma
                independent. Imagine that we are being thrown away from our topics (the energy market of Europe, as an example), this is the collapse and disappearance of Russia,

                Do not smack nonsense, it hurts. Russia may well become author. Do you know this word?
                True, under one condition, the leaders of Russia are statesmen such as I.V. Stalin, and not blockheads like Khrushchev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin. And we ourselves will need energy carriers at 5-7% annual economic growth.
                Well, we will not have bananas and other pineapples, what, die?
                1. Eroma 12 January 2020 14: 13 New
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                  A familiar word, written through A! Only everyone who tried to live like that ended badly! negative
                  China was once a technological, military and economic giant fellow but the emperor decided to abandon expansion and closed China from the world, as a result, the world developed, and then China became a semi-colony of small but more developed peoples! (Share the Chinese pie remember?)
                  In the USSR, Stalin was only once, then something did not work out with the rulers lol
                  You can live without bananas, but there are people who cannot live without jamon!
                  And to be successful without the rest of the world, we need more people, tea is not the USSR crying
                  And in general, what ... are we supposed to live in the forest because of someone? We are part of the world and we have all the rights to live in it as we like! And whoever doesn’t like it, the one on the hill! angry
                2. Krasnoyarsk 12 January 2020 15: 18 New
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                  Quote: Eroma

                  A familiar word, written through A!

                  And I wrote through A, but the auto editor changed to O. I did not agree, corrected to A, but he still wrote Oh! Here I am powerless.
                  Quote: Eroma
                  but the emperor decided to abandon expansion and closed China from the world,

                  Yes, do not care about China. I mean, Russia will not be lost without energy sales, as you think.
                  Quote: Eroma
                  You can live without bananas, but there are people who cannot live without jamon!

                  Well, - good riddance. (you can tongue )
                  Quote: Eroma
                  And in order to be successful without the rest of the world, we need more people,

                  Not necessarily from the word - at all. A.V.Suvorov - "They fight not by number, but by skill"
                  The main trouble of Russia is the disgusting organization of production and the poor organization of labor.
      2. Grits 12 January 2020 03: 48 New
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        So it’s impossible to count together.

        That is why I proposed visual pictures separately. Because it is not right to consider our fleet as one at a certain point in time. But. This is not only a problem for the Russian fleet. Many large countries have several fleets, the transfer and support of which in the right direction is difficult. Well, for example - North Korea. She essentially has 2 fleets (it does not matter what they are called and formulated). But helping each other is almost very problematic. Iran also has 2 - so it’s impossible to transfer there at all. China also has more than one fleet. Of course, it’s easier for them in terms of efficiency, but still ... India has 2 fleets. Yes, and note that in the United States it is not a single fleet, but several on different ends of the planet.
        1. Krasnoyarsk 12 January 2020 10: 29 New
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          the transfer and support of which in the right direction is difficult. Well, for example - North Korea. She essentially has 2 fleets (no matter what they are called and

          Well, a very "large country" based on your words.
          Quote: Gritsa
          China also has more than one fleet.

          Who and what will prevent China from solving the problem by the combined efforts of all its fleets, even if it has three dozen? India, the same thing. It is not a matter of the number of fleets; it is a matter of the possibility of quick interaction to solve a specific problem that cannot be solved by the forces of one of the fleets. The United States has the ability to quickly transfer forces from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean or vice versa, than we can strengthen our Pacific forces with any of the fleets. Even to strengthen the Baltic Fleet with the forces of the North is very problematic in the context of the conflict. Because this will be hindered by the Swedes, Norwegians, Germans, Poles, British, etc. Dutch
          1. Eroma 12 January 2020 12: 49 New
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            It depends on what you drive from the Northern Fleet to the Baltic Sea, along the Belomor Canal, corvettes, Varshavyanka, boats can sail back and forth, and from the Caspian Sea and the Black Sea you can also drive a trifle through the canals good
            1. Krasnoyarsk 12 January 2020 13: 46 New
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              It depends on what you drive from the Northern Fleet to the Baltic Sea, along the Belomor Canal, corvettes, Varshavyanka, boats can sail back and forth, and from the Caspian Sea and the Black Sea you can also drive a trifle through the canals good

              Sure. Have you forgotten about kayaking and sports yachts? wassat
          2. Grits 12 January 2020 19: 15 New
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            The United States has the ability to quickly transfer forces from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean or vice versa, than we can strengthen our Pacific forces with any of the fleets. Even to strengthen the Baltic Fleet with the forces of the North is very problematic in the context of the conflict.

            I agree with you. I think that it is precisely because of this that they are intensively developing the infrastructure of the Northern Sea Route and its military component - for a quick transfer of fleet forces.
  • Range 11 January 2020 22: 32 New
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    What is the argument about? If at least more than one tamahawk is released from the side of any vessel, he will receive a DAGGER or CYCRON aboard, for those who do not understand. And so there are other effective remedies against the most arrogant. What is the reason that you have 30 rounds of ammunition in the assault rifle store if you hit a sniper?
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    What is the argument about? When releasing from the side of any vessel at least more than one tomahawk, he will receive a DAGGER or CYCRON on board, for those who are not understanding. And so there are other effective remedies against the most arrogant. What is the reason that you have 30 rounds of ammunition in the assault rifle store if you hit a sniper?
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    Again for the truth minus man. America is inferior to the same hundreds of times in quality and number of surface ships.

    Just like a hundred times ??? fool confirm your conclusion with the numbers. Or so, in a bunch of puddles? Well, in terms of quality - in more detail ... yes
    And try to embed in your calculations (although you can do it vryatly), the geography of our countries, the concept of the Fleet, its (Fleet) strategic importance.
    1. huntsman650 11 January 2020 11: 45 New
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      The same Ustinov was armed with junk, there was no modernization, they did not produce rockets, there was no reserve. Googles about the numbers, how many destroyers we have and how many amers. The destroyer type Orly Burke More than 50 pieces and each 60 cells for tomahawks. We have not a single one on the go !!!
      1. WILL 11 January 2020 11: 49 New
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        Mdya ... iron argument. Burn - Continue!
        1. huntsman650 11 January 2020 11: 56 New
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          And how do you argue your cons. Exclusively perseverance and urapatriotizm. I don’t want to upset you, but we will not recruit from all fleets and a tenth of the ships from NATO. I’m a little connected with our Navy and I know the real storytelling, I won’t write everything for ethical reasons.
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            1. huntsman650 11 January 2020 12: 12 New
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              They sat with the lieutenant in the headquarters and saw the ships on the maps))) Who served in the Navy in the circus does not laugh.
            2. private person 11 January 2020 12: 16 New
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              Now we are already comparing Our Fleet with the All fleet of NATO, it seems like they started from America ????
              Compared to the USSR Fleet - yes, much smaller in composition.


              So nothing is said about the USSR in the article. And if, as you put it in the course, tell us wretched.
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                You also wrote this word but your koment was not deleted and the warning most likely did not come.
          2. Tersky 11 January 2020 12: 31 New
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            know real stacked,

            winked Well, maybe so ... then of course yes it is such an arrangement, and with each raised closer to real sided , where do we .... request
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            I’m a little connected with our Navy and I know the real storytelling, I won’t write everything for ethical reasons.

            laughing Oh, another clandestine naval expert! Comrade connoisseur, is it correct to compare the fleet of an entire bloc with one country?
          4. Dalmatia 11 January 2020 17: 55 New
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            What do you have their cons? Reading your opinion is interesting.
          5. Eroma 11 January 2020 18: 09 New
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            There is no point in arguing about the possibility of building ships, the United States and especially NATO as a whole are superior to us tenfold! The US Navy is bigger and more powerful, it's objective! We do not when they can not be compared with the number of pennants. But this is not a reason to hang your nose and scream the guard, everything is gone! We and they have different tasks, hence a different approach to the construction of the fleet. The fleet is only part of the armed forces and due to the presence of extremely advanced missile systems and. Other weapons. We are an extremely dangerous adversary
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        4. nickname7 11 January 2020 13: 49 New
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          Mdya ... iron argument. Burn - Continue!

          The same Britain, the Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier, built from 0, which they laughed at, and they have 2 more old ones. But the Russian Federation is not able to build an aircraft carrier.
          Why is truth unacceptable to you incomprehensibly, or is it better for you to stick your head in the sand?
          If you equate fairly moderate critics with liberals, then again you are not aware that they are like that. Somehow I got to the journalist’s report Echo about the return of Aurora from repair, so he took marks on the case from tires and echo forum arranged a sabbath, ridiculed and poured brown on the ship and on the Russian Federation, a vile sight. There is nothing of the kind here.
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            Quote: nickname7
            Mdya ... iron argument. Burn - Continue!

            The same Britain, the Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier, built from 0, which they laughed at, and they have 2 more old ones. But the Russian Federation is not able to build an aircraft carrier.
            Why is truth unacceptable to you incomprehensibly, or is it better for you to stick your head in the sand?
            If you equate fairly moderate critics with liberals, then again you are not aware that they are like that. Somehow I got to the journalist’s report Echo about the return of Aurora from repair, so he took marks on the case from tires and echo forum arranged a sabbath, ridiculed and poured brown on the ship and on the Russian Federation, a vile sight. There is nothing of the kind here.

            disgrace! sucks! You can’t live like that! WE DO NOT HAVE A CARRIER IN THE CASPIAN SEA!
          2. jayich 12 January 2020 06: 38 New
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            Well, actually, in 2013, I was handed over to the Indians, (in fact, there are 50% of the hull structures from the old percent)
      2. Sergey1987 11 January 2020 12: 49 New
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        The same Ustinov on arming junk

        What is a clown junk? Is the P-1000 anti-ship missile with a range of 1000 km, and Harpoon 150 km? The fact that the speed of the Volcano is Mach 2,5, and Harpoon has only 850 km / h? Or is it that the warhead in Vulcan is 500 kg, and in Harpoon 220? Or maybe we’ll talk about air defense of Marshal Ustinov?
        Quote: huntsman650
        Googles about the numbers, how many destroyers we have and how many amers. The destroyer type Orly Burke More than 50 pieces and each 60 cells for tomahawks. We have not a single one on the go !!!

        Expert you're unfinished. The task of the destroyers of the Russian Federation differs from the tasks of Arly Burke. But it also shows the level of your knowledge, if you do not correctly write the name of the destroyer and make a mistake in the word "Tomahawk". And why bother with the US Navy? Compare with all of NATO or with the whole world.
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          You’re a clown yourself, there are no Volcanoes, they have rotted, there are few of them, problems with start-ups. Ustinov’s rotten too, the wasps don’t fly, and the fort crumbles and is being repaired all the time. What years of zura? How many cruisers they have and we have Ustin alone on the go. I do not consider myself an expert; I do not pretend to be your place. Therefore, the wine k.3r. all leash quit.
          1. Sergey1987 11 January 2020 13: 38 New
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            You’re a clown yourself, there are no Volcanoes, they have rotted, there are few of them, problems with start-ups. Ustinov’s rotten too, the wasps don’t fly, and the fort crumbles and is being repaired all the time.

            Well, of course. You personally checked everything. Suddenly, the Wasps stopped shooting right, the Forts are breaking right, and of course they tell you about it. Personally, you went around all the warehouses and counted the number of Volcanoes. Just nonsense. Want to engage in delusional criticism? Get involved. That's just the essence it will not change. One empty chatter of yours.
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            How many cruisers they have and we have Ustin alone on the go.

            And how many cruisers do they have here? The United States is twice as large in terms of population and the 2nd economy of the world, and we are the 6th.
            1. huntsman650 11 January 2020 13: 47 New
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              And here you are doing yourself a career on the site here) so I wrote all the appearances and passwords to you. Comrade Major. It would be better if they planted those who profit from the construction and repair of ships and whose fault all the time of the repair is delayed. My ship has cost 12 shipyard since 35 and during this time nothing has been done and it will not leave from there. There is such a thing as operational reliability m.ch. and it gets lower over the years. Google in which year they adopted this or that complex, it probably coincides with the year the ship was built, and what kind of reliability a rocket of 80 g can have.
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                And here you are doing yourself a career on the site here) so I wrote all the appearances and passwords to you.

                No, I’m doing a career in a different direction.
                Quote: huntsman650
                It would be better if they planted those who profit from the construction and repair of ships and whose fault all the time of the repair is delayed.

                Well, it's not for me to decide who to plant and for what.
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                Google in which year they adopted this or that complex, it probably coincides with the year the ship was built, and what kind of reliability a rocket of 80 g can have.

                That's strange only. So, for example, our Marshal Ustinov was launched in the 86th and it means junk and nothing works there, and the first Arly Burke is in the 89th and for some reason everything works for him.
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                  On Burke, everything that deduced the term is changing, and our service life will last. I'm talking about rockets)))
            2. huntsman650 11 January 2020 14: 32 New
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              Про 6-е место https://yandex.ru/video/touch/search?_=1578742257667&filmId=14568340832179551445&p=1&text=%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4%20%D0%BF%D0%BE%20%D1%8D%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B5%20%D1%8E%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%80
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                Quote: huntsman650
                Про 6-е место https://yandex.ru/video/touch/search?_=1578742257667&filmId=14568340832179551445&p=1&text=%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4%20%D0%BF%D0%BE%20%D1%8D%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B5%20%D1%8E%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%80

                Well yes. Yavlinsky is just a Nobel laureate in economics. What is the IMF, the World Bank and economic experts. It’s better to listen to this creature of Yavlinsky, because there isn’t much mind there to read.
                1. huntsman650 11 January 2020 16: 25 New
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                  Yes, everything is fine with us, but you can get to the stake))). You ride a domestic car, what is now on you from our clothes, furniture at home, our dishes? Below the comrades wrote correctly, there is no fleet, there are separate units, the legacy of the USSR. What is being built for a very long time and little is a fact, at least zaminusuyte to death. Hurray to scream early, there is something to criticize.
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                    Yes, everything is fine with us, but you can get to the stake))). You ride on a domestic car, what is now on you from our clothes, at home furniture, dishes, our interior?

                    Surely. But we ourselves must directly produce everything and everything and use everything domestic only for everyone. Imagine in Italy, not everyone drives Alfa Romeo and Lambardigini, not all Armani wear and do not have their own laptops, smartphones, televisions and microwave ovens. And in France, exactly the same. And in Denmark, mass suicides due to the fact that they do not produce their cars - no.
                    About me. Auto is not Russian-made, because I can afford to buy a respectable car that AvtoVAZ does not produce. My clothes are all Russian-made. All foreign equipment except the refrigerator and stove. Furniture and dishes are domestic.
                    Quote: huntsman650
                    Below the comrades wrote correctly, there is no fleet, there are separate units, the legacy of the USSR.

                    A country possessing an SSBN, a nuclear submarine, cruisers, destroyers, frigates and corvettes means it does not have a fleet. A country with 1 aircraft carrier and 3-4 cruisers means it doesn’t have a fleet, and a country with 50 cruisers means it has a fleet? Is it you yourself who have developed such criteria or some passengers aching below? That's just funny. It turns out that only one country in the world has a fleet, the rest does not understand what.
                    As for the heritage of the USSR. In normal countries, ships built during the Cold War are being repaired, modernized, and we can only hear whining from the pseudo-communists. It was probably necessary to flood everything that was released during the USSR, so that God forbid people like you would not cry later. And straight all the heritage of the USSR? You list what the Russian Federation built?
                2. huntsman650 11 January 2020 16: 41 New
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                  To be honest, I didn’t know that it was Yavlinsky)))), but neighing from the heart))), everyone here is serious, without humor))))
          2. Alex Gunn 12 January 2020 12: 34 New
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            So have they rotted or are they few?
        2. huntsman650 11 January 2020 13: 24 New
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          On paper, TTX is good, but the actual condition of the products and the timing is different.
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            On paper, TTX is good, but the actual condition of the products and the timing is different.

            On paper "patriots" laughing were also good ... However, full of holes as practice showed ..
            1. huntsman650 11 January 2020 14: 04 New
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              It is also important from the preparation of the calculations, for 13 years I exploited the Dagger, the sea Thor. If the calculation is not ready, then the result is deplorable. If the SOC operator is experienced, knocks everything down.
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        You burn napalm bol ......... n
      4. Grits 12 January 2020 03: 55 New
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        The destroyer type Orly Burke More than 50 pieces and each 60 cells for tomahawks.

        When you are the captain of the American Orly Burke and go to sea to war, you will be surprised that downloading 60 Tomahawks, you will be completely defenseless against ships and enemy aircraft. Then you will bewilder and start to beg to throw away a huge part of the Tomogavks, and stuffed you with anti-aircraft missiles and Harpoons. Otherwise, you cannot survive.
        By the way, the staff supply of strike missiles on Burke with tomahawks is about 10. That is, almost like our "river boat" Buyan M.
        1. huntsman650 12 January 2020 09: 30 New
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          One of the options is 60, no need to find fault with the words. They will tell the commander what and how much to load))) We have not a single 956 on the move. It's about the number of ships. Then comrades are beginning to be clever. Tasks and strategies to tell me. When there’s nothing and nothing to load at all trouble. Another question is how you will deal with ORS, anti-radar projectile. Launched in conjunction with anti-ship missiles, without entering the strike zone of air defense ships. I personally think that knocking them down with junk is not possible!
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      confirm your conclusion with numbers

      What should you write an article on the forum? To convince you need to chew? Or you were banned in Google, then live in ignorance.
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    So in the hundreds?
  • Sergey1987 11 January 2020 12: 32 New
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    Again for the truth minus man. America is inferior to the same hundreds of times in quality and number of surface ships.

    Well, why hundreds of times in quantity? Do not be modest in the millions write. And in terms of quality, do not tell us why, for example, our cruisers are inferior to them, or our submarines, or SSBNs?
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    USA-293 ships, Russia-136 ships, is it hundreds of times?
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    Are you an expert too?
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    Well, this is with whom to compare, if with Ukraine, then we are stronger.

    And who has a stronger fleet in the Black Sea?
    1. Dude 11 January 2020 17: 09 New
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      Well, this is with whom to compare, if with Ukraine, then we are stronger.

      And who has a stronger fleet in the Black Sea?

      It depends on the situation. Turkey has quite a decent fleet for itself. For attacking us, for conducting operations in the north of the World Cup, it is rather weak, but for the protection of the straits, it’s quite for itself. So-so, parity.
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        It depends on the situation. Turkey has quite a decent fleet for itself. For attacking us, for conducting operations in the north of the World Cup, it is rather weak, but for the protection of the straits, it’s quite for itself. So-so, parity.

        Totally agree with you.
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  • olegactor 11 January 2020 18: 29 New
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    Well, this is with whom to compare, if with Ukraine, then we are stronger .

    and what the Romanians have a fleet .... and it is stronger than the Black Sea Fleet ... yes, funny
  • COJIDAT 11 January 2020 23: 29 New
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    Fleet for nuclear weapons, land for corpses, the world for destruction) CIS
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    Lead, so to speak, from a madhouse laughing
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      I consider it unnecessary to comment on the statements of the mentally ill (like different Romanyukov). Ward # 6 misses them.
  • grave 11 January 2020 10: 58 New
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    Well, considering what they release for the Navy and how the ships are being repaired ... A mosquito fleet with rackets is good but not for a country of 5 seas.
    1. skif8013 11 January 2020 11: 05 New
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      Compared with the USSR fleet, we do not have it now.
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        Rubber boats promptly replenish fleet formation .. Of course it’s not, only one joke
    2. Tersky 11 January 2020 11: 48 New
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      Quote: Kapa
      .. A mosquito fleet with rackets is good but not for a country of 5 seas.

      Pull up geography and then talk about the fleet with rackets. Russia is washed by 1 closed sea and 14 seas.
      Quote: Kapa
      ..and how the ships are being repaired ..
      They all burn, and not only at the docks https://topwar.ru/80201-avarii-na-amerikanskom-flote.html
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        1. Tersky 11 January 2020 13: 38 New
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          Quote: Kapa
          I can also donate my one and a half-seat inflatable boat for the benefit of the Navy and take away another inflatable duckling from my daughter

          Are you tired of trolling? And then the punishment will descend on the "Kara", not from heaven of course.
          1. grave 11 January 2020 14: 08 New
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            I want to sacrifice my personal! thing for the good of the motherland! They drowned the dock, set fire to the boat (by accident, of course) And I, as a patriot .. I can help ... It's not trolling, when you look at the news, you don’t know what to do, cry or laugh. You won’t laugh at the trolling.
    3. 4ekist 11 January 2020 12: 20 New
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      The number of seas correctly calculated?
      1. grave 11 January 2020 13: 27 New
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        Then they prompted me and immediately felt better! Things are even better than I thought.
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      A mosquito fleet with rackets is good but not for a country of 5 seas.

      Confused the country with the city of Moscow, which is a port of five seas.
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    5. Sergey1987 11 January 2020 12: 51 New
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      Quote: Kapa
      A mosquito fleet with rackets is good but not for a country of 5 seas.

      Here is another wise guy drew. Does this mean that the country is armed with an SSBN, nuclear submarines, cruisers, frigates, corvettes, a mosquito fleet? Does the head not work at all?
      1. grave 11 January 2020 13: 30 New
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        These boats are needed to accompany larger boats, of which we don’t have, and without them, these corvetics frigate with tactical rackets Caliber zilch, they cost nothing. And the rackets still need to be pointed at foreign fleets somehow - but what is it to bring about? everything already
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          Quote: Kapa
          These boats are needed to accompany larger boats, of which we do not have

          Well, all the clinic. Do you at least read the tasks of the SSBN, nuclear submarines, frigates and corvettes. Which boats are big? What are you talking about?
          Quote: Kapa
          And the Rackets still need to be somehow pointed at foreign fleets - but with what to put it in? Cosmic rafts almost everything is already -byu

          You look like your brain. Itself is able to google how many military and dual-purpose satellites are in orbit, or do I still need to paint a clown with you? Head at least think about how more than 100 KR ISIS released in the SAR.
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  • Victor_B 11 January 2020 10: 59 New
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    And the main thing is to jump less!
    For when the stubborn jump, the Black Sea fleet receives new bases and increases qualitatively and numerically.
    That Muscovites do not jump, so the Navy is degrading.
  • Lena Petrova 11 January 2020 11: 02 New
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    The main thing is not to believe in a new unpunished breakthrough. Obviously, the dishes have already patched up. And the toilets are new. Itchy.
  • knn54 11 January 2020 11: 03 New
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    They are found (most likely) in Galicia and its environs. An example of how yesterday migrant workers come to power structures, with Ivan -pan.
  • Ru_Na 11 January 2020 11: 04 New
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    Ukromozb, like ukrology, is mysterious, not subject to study, they should only be recorded in anecdotes!
  • seregin-s1 11 January 2020 11: 04 New
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    There is no desire to compare the Black Sea Fleet with the Ukrainian. The Black Sea Fleet probably has full-fledged coastal troops and a submarine brigade. The rest wishes a better condition.
  • businessv 11 January 2020 11: 06 New
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    According to Romaniuk, the only thing that Russia has and poses a real threat is nuclear submarines.
    Everything that Russia has poses a real threat to the independence and this is a sad fact for them, hence the ears of statements of this kind grow.
  • Pavel57 11 January 2020 11: 08 New
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    Russia is torn to shreds, there is no fleet ... a mantra for self-hypnosis.
  • rotmistr60 11 January 2020 11: 08 New
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    All-Ukrainian public organization "Ukraine in NATO"
    What organization, such and chairman. Just as if deeply licking NATO, saying frank stupidity about the Black Sea Fleet, no one is waiting for Ukraine in this block.
    Is dementia and incompetence a mandatory requirement for Ukrainian experts?
    Obviously not only mandatory, but also must be innate.
  • PValery53 11 January 2020 11: 12 New
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    Yuri Romanyuk, who in an interview with the Observer portal said that Russia "has no surface fleet"
    - From which finger did the Ukrainian “iksperd” Romandyuk suck this “deep” thought?
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  • Jarserge 11 January 2020 11: 13 New
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    Okay, the owners of this "expert" (who determine what he can say) would say that. If we compare tonnage and quantity with the United States and with NATO, you can say so. But Ukraine, where there are more admirals than ships and ships are just “tears” ........ very old tears second-hand exhibition
    1. den3080 11 January 2020 12: 24 New
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      Quote: Jarserge
      Okay, the owners of this "expert" (who determine what he can say) would say that. If we compare tonnage and quantity with the United States and with NATO, you can say so. But Ukraine, where there are more admirals than ships and ships are just “tears” ........ very old tears second-hand exhibition

      Here you are right. Romaniuk, as I understand it, did not express his thought or conclusion. He, with a certain degree of conscientiousness, got acquainted with the propaganda manuals of the owners. For the sake of convincingness and for completely different purposes, this “training manual” was probably marked with the stamp “strictly confidential”, which raised Mr. Romaniuk to an incredible level of self-esteem ... well, I want to believe him that he is admitted to the top secret).
      That’s the whole casket ... and there’s no reason to dust about it on VO.
  • lopuhan2006 11 January 2020 11: 15 New
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    If garbage is discarded, the Black Sea Fleet is inferior to Turkey on the condition of capturing the straits, but if in the context of the defense of its coast, then this is enough. Why is this expert worse than our experts is another question.
  • Sapsan136 11 January 2020 11: 24 New
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    In fact, the Ukrainian fleet on the Black Sea is stronger than only the Georgian and Abkhazian fleets ... Next comes the Romanian fleet, which includes two frigates decommissioned from the British fleet, without missile weapons and 2 Soviet-built frigates, without air defense systems, but with antediluvian Soviet anti-ship missiles Termite, useless against the Russian Federation, but capable of drowning the entire fleet of Ukraine in one gulp from a distance (80 km maximum) ... Next comes Bulgaria, with decommissioned frigates bought from the Netherlands (these are quite combat-ready ships with Exocet and air defense missile systems) ... A then the most interesting ... Russia and Turkey ... Comparing the Turkish fleet with the Russian fleet, many forget that the Black Sea Fleet is a Black Sea fleet, and the Turkish fleet is divided between the Black and Mediterranean Seas and Turkey will not be able to use its entire fleet somewhere, from for the smoldering military conflict with Greece in Cyprus, the need to protect their interests on the Mediterranean and Black Sea coasts of Turkey ... In addition, the Turkish fleet has a minimum number of ships built in Turkey itself, and the quality of the missiles that the Turkish fleet is armed with is seriously inferior to the Russian fleet ... With naval aviation, too, everything is sad ... Turkey can only deploy F-16s and very ancient Phantom-2s of American production, and even if against MiG-29s F-16 somehow it pulls, then against the new Su-30s - the Su-35 is no longer ...
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      Quote: Sapsan136
      many people forget that the Black Sea Fleet is a fleet of the Black Sea, and the Turkish fleet is divided between the Black and Mediterranean Seas

      Yes, many forget that the responsibility of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation includes the very same thing, the Mediterranean Sea. As the responsibility of the Northern Fleet, it includes not only the Barents Sea, but also the entire North Atlantic.
      1. Sapsan136 11 January 2020 16: 15 New
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        At the expense of the Northern Fleet, I agree that it is responsible for the defense of the entire northern coast of the Russian Federation ... As for the Black Sea Fleet, its main task is to defend the Black Sea coast of Russia ... The Mediterranean Sea for Russia, which does not have its coast there, is not as critical as for Turkey ...
        1. Dude 11 January 2020 17: 18 New
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          The Mediterranean Sea for Russia, which has no coast there, is not as critical as for Turkey ...
          Are you seriously? Given the participation of Russia in the war in Syria and the need to protect our interests in this region, in general? We in Tartus, it’s kind of like going to build a base ... So I would not belittle the importance of the Mediterranean
          1. Sapsan136 11 January 2020 19: 14 New
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            The interests of the Russian Federation in Syria, this is not defense of the coast of the Russian Federation, it is not so important, especially since there are no eternal allies and Syria can betray the Russian Federation at any time, before others betrayed Russia to it ... For Turkey, the Mediterranean is the defense of its own shores ... and not the coast of Syria ... or some other country ...
            1. Dude 11 January 2020 20: 30 New
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              The interests of the Russian Federation in Syria, this is not defense of the coast of the Russian Federation, it is not so important
              I understood your differentiation, proceeding from your last post, but (IMHO, of course), it seems to me that you are making a methodological mistake right after all.
              To take for granted that for our state it is important only directly, the protection of our borders is to put ourselves in a losing position in advance. Nobody has yet canceled the strategic foreground. If we confine ourselves to guarding our own borders directly, one day, by no means a fine day, we can find the troops of a likely enemy a hundred kilometers from the second (in terms of size and value) city of the country (as, however, already happened).
              And the Mediterranean, especially considering the geography and the current military-political alignment in Europe - the theater is crucial, - it depends on your presence there - whether you are being held for the bandits or you are holding someone (well, or at least not let you keep yourself stop) In this region, everything is tied up with a blue ribbon (s) - and trade routes, and the place of projection of force, political influence; defense, protection of their own national interests, and a lot more.
              I repeat: the Mediterranean is a key region, strategically important for a good half of the countries of Europe, including for us. To level its value would be, KVM, at least, is short-sighted. hi
              1. Sapsan136 11 January 2020 20: 41 New
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                We won’t hold on to Syria if they seriously push our base there, because our fleet is not ready for an open battle in the ocean with the USA ... As for pushing the border, here I agree with you, but for this you need to take away the adjacent RF territories, such as the Donbass, and in Syria .. it's like with Cuba, the USSR ... you can open a base ... but keep it ... Well this is not a comparison of the fleets of the Black Sea states on the Black Sea, but a completely different conversation...
    2. RUSS 11 January 2020 19: 53 New
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      In addition, the Turkish fleet has a minimum number of ships built in Turkey itself.

      It’s normal practice, during the USSR, some warships were also bought abroad, plus ships received as trophies and reporters were part of the Soviet fleet.
      1. Sapsan136 11 January 2020 20: 18 New
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        Do not compare artillery ships with modern ones, they were technically simpler, and here the mass of electronics, and not Turkish, and relations with countries producing this electronics in Turkey are complex and can turn out like in Russia with Mistrals ... then these ships will quickly turn into a pile of useless trash at the pier, because without spare parts, any equipment quickly turns into trash ... and the more difficult it is, the faster it happens ...
  • Ham
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    on the web they said ... on the web they ridiculed ...
    why pay attention to all sorts of writers and "experts" ??? do not feed the trolls!
  • Denchik 11 January 2020 11: 32 New
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    On one Peter the Great filmed
    rescue bots pose a threat to the Ukrainian fleet
  • Victor Wolz 11 January 2020 11: 36 New
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    The Ukrainian expert, of course, as usual blew into a puddle, but the state of our surface fleet of real patriots really causes concern. Dancing with the modernization of old cruisers, trying to drown or burn the last aircraft carrier, all this is like cutting the dough. Unfinished construction, the absence of destroyer-class large warships in construction, not to mention cruisers and aircraft carriers, poor air defense and anti-aircraft defense on corvettes and frigates, and in the entire coastal defense system, a small number of minesweepers cannot hide this.
    1. seregin-s1 11 January 2020 11: 50 New
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      It is impossible to build what we cannot build now. Barely barely "Gorshkova" mastered. But behind “Gorshkov” there are already “Kasatonov” and laid down modernized projects. It is impossible to build quickly if even the ventilation system has to be redesigned. All plants were destroyed, experts died. Just giving money is not enough!
      Personally, I would build a monument to today's shipbuilders!
      1. Victor Wolz 11 January 2020 12: 01 New
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        It’s not a matter of shipbuilders, but of effective managers who impose expensive but worthless projects on us, earning orders of magnitude more simple laborers of designers, welders, foundry workers, turners and locksmiths and explaining this to Yeltsin’s devastation, and that under Putin the institutes did not let engineers out, or plants were not restored?
    2. Vadim237 11 January 2020 12: 44 New
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      From the coastal air defense everything is normal radar coverage throughout the territory, coastal missile systems continue to come into service this year will launch two satellites for target designation and tracking of marine objects. And the ships continue to build not at a rapid pace, but still - in view of sufficient complexity, since these ships and submarines created in fact from scratch.
      1. Victor Wolz 11 January 2020 12: 58 New
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        All is well, but then compare the construction dates of our ships and the Chinese. We can say that the Chinese are worse, but there are more of them. But they also started almost from scratch in the 80s, we are falling, they are rising.
        1. Vadim237 11 January 2020 13: 43 New
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          The quality of Chinese ships is most likely the same as that of Chinese machine tools.
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            The quality of Chinese ships is most likely the same as that of Chinese machine tools.

            I doubt it. They, oddly enough, studied with us. Even now, their shipbuilding school is noticeable in their ships.
            1. Vadim237 11 January 2020 23: 15 New
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              Sorry, they don’t see our school at all. Only copying and hybridization of missile and land weapons is observed. And not only the machines, but also the Ture 96 tank at the tank biathlon will tell about their quality - the chassis fell apart well.
  • A hundred 11 January 2020 11: 41 New
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    CRIMEA OUR and this is important! And the work there is being carried out day and night .. And the Black Sea Fleet is a bargain .. There is something to answer so far!
    And the Kerch railway bridge is already working and try to track or ban what we send there .. soldier
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      CRIMEA OUR and this is important!

      Of course, our only
      Swiss court obliges Moscow to pay $ 82 million to Kiev due to Crimea
      true
      The Russian side argued that the court in Geneva was not the competent authority to consider this case.
      but the money is likely to pay ...
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        Quote: Fitter65
        Quote: Hundred
        CRIMEA OUR and this is important!

        Of course, our only
        Swiss court obliges Moscow to pay $ 82 million to Kiev due to Crimea
        true
        The Russian side argued that the court in Geneva was not the competent authority to consider this case.
        but the money is likely to pay ...

        Russia is a "generous soul" and many in the world feed on us .. But this is not so insolent!

        We’ll come to Israel and present the bill ..
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          We’ll come to Israel and present the bill ..

          One day, a peering boy called the apartment in which a Jewish family lived. The boy remains to them. With whom and by what will you go to Israel? What are you going to show there? A couple of years, we sprayed with saliva. How do we put Naftogaz, how do we sue, as a result, who paid whom?
      2. igorlvov 11 January 2020 13: 19 New
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        Naftogaz is still there - renewed lawsuits against Russia for the loss of the ability to use our property in the Crimea. And there is a large amount of claims - five billion without interest. But with interest, this is more than seven billion dollars, "Vitrenko said in an interview with Liga.net, which was published on Friday.
        However, he expressed the hope that the decision of the court in The Hague in this case will be at the end of 2020 or the beginning of 2021.
        1. Fitter65 11 January 2020 13: 39 New
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          Naftogaz is still there - renewed lawsuits against Russia for the loss of the ability to use our property in the Crimea.
          Moreover, our effective managers said that they agreed on a mutual rejection of claims to each other. And even if ours put forward a counterclaim, then one stump will be the loser, since the contract was again some kind of effective one ...
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        In any case, Ukraine will pay the most, since it now has no allies capable of protecting its western borders, and there only Poland asks 6 regions back ... and it will receive ... Hungary, Romania ... and Russia will not have to return only Crimea ...
  • demo 11 January 2020 11: 48 New
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    Holidays, of course, had a destructive effect.
    Well, another person has not departed after the feasts.
    That’s it, knows what.
  • Fitter65 11 January 2020 12: 07 New
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    Many of those commenting have wondered where Ukraine finds "such idiots."
    Moreover, the most interesting thing still manages to sue Russia for money for everything and everyone. Now over Crimea they were awarded 82 mpn. Now they decided to put forward a new lawsuit for 7 billion, despite the agreement on the rejection of all claims. Therefore, the question is more to the Russian Federation — where do we find such “smart” specialists who manage to frustrate everything, even that which is not possible ...
  • iouris 11 January 2020 12: 14 New
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    Well, let's say there is a fleet. And what are the consequences of this for Ukraine?
  • Paul Siebert 11 January 2020 12: 14 New
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    Romanyuk - of course, "expert"! The ultimate truth, damn it!
    Specialist in submarines in the steppes of Independence.
    It is time to somehow respond to these ghouls with sanctions.
    Or really completely stop noticing.
    The air will become cleaner ...
  • 30143 11 January 2020 12: 35 New
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    Is that true?

    “If the annexation of Crimea is Putin’s idea, then the Donbass is another. In this sense, the Russian oligarch Konstantin Malofeev put him before the fact, and behind him stands a more politically significant figure, a former colonel of special services. Back in the early 90s they created patriotic-patriarchal organizations and integrated into church organizations in Ukraine. The same Malofeev brought church relics and Scythian gold there. And then the head of his security service Girkin-Strelkov rushed to the Donbass, "Popov claims.

    Wrote here
    https://www.obozrevatel.com/russia/eto-ne-putin-eks-podpolkovnik-kgb-rasskazal-kto-na-samom-dele-nachal-vojnu-na-donbasse/amp.htm
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  • vanavatny 11 January 2020 12: 38 New
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    Well, no and no ... why argue with idiots? Thus, we descend to their level, and there they will crush experience ...
  • Artunis 11 January 2020 12: 44 New
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    An expert of the level of wretched Kovtun is not even worthy of discussion, purely for the needs of the peasant farmers. For these purposes and is charged.
  • Iskander. Richard 11 January 2020 12: 50 New
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    The Russian Federation no longer has a fleet, there are separate units.
  • IL-64 11 January 2020 13: 23 New
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    The representative of the country where the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy is a former tanker has the right to an expert opinion on the fleet of any country.
    By the way, how did the matter with the toilets end, tell me? And then the media are silent, and grandmother worries, as if a new tax were not introduced to compensate
  • Nyrobsky 11 January 2020 13: 36 New
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    Hmm, in the course of Friday this Ukrainian expert failed, since he carries such selective nonsense. If on Saturday and Sunday it doesn’t make a plump, then by Monday Ukraine will become a superpower. what
  • alavrin 11 January 2020 13: 43 New
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    There are enough problems, but it’s really not for the representative to really talk about the fleet of Romaniuk ...
  • evgen1221 11 January 2020 14: 20 New
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    Why can’t you do that, you won’t lie when you need to work out the grand. Interestingly, does our state pay grandees to our citizens? Otherwise, I would write a lot on foreign sites about the lack of a fleet in the states.
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      Do not wait! Start on bare enthusiasm!
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        What a pity it would be a powerful impetus to my family’s economy. )))
  • VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 11 January 2020 15: 40 New
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    The Ukrainian expert made a throw-in, we are discussing. Now, one could not mention this. I am ashamed.
  • Looking for 11 January 2020 16: 06 New
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    Well, let's compare with England and Germany.

    nonsense. Russia should be compared only with the USA and China. The truth is not in our favor.
  • Lord of the Sith 11 January 2020 16: 11 New
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    Yuri Romanyuk, who, in an interview with the Obozrevatel portal, said that Russia "has no surface fleet."


    Of course not, I agree with him, let it be so, let them cajole themselves with this vyser, but as it turns out that quite the opposite, there will be a break in the template from the non-brothers laughing
  • Ros 56 11 January 2020 17: 02 New
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    The case will be presented, we will see what and how, and now there is no point in discussing ukrobabuinov and our all-feller. Hitler out like I thought, but it turned out how.
  • Vasyan1971 11 January 2020 17: 09 New
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    Many of those commenting have wondered where Ukraine finds "such idiots."

    Where, where, I won’t say ...
  • Russian guy 11 January 2020 17: 23 New
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    Well, where, from where are such hohloexperds singing out?
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      Well, why do we need to know the secrets of Kiev specific medical institutions?
  • mmaxx 11 January 2020 17: 43 New
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    The opinion of Ukrainian experts can be used. It has long been clear that if they say that "everything is okay," then everything is fine with us.
  • Russian guy 11 January 2020 17: 49 New
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    Well, this is with whom to compare, if with Ukraine, then we are stronger.

    Are you from New Russia or from Little Russia?
  • Vladimir_6 11 January 2020 18: 02 New
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    To the American fleet, of course, to us, as to the moon on foot (as well as to all other fleets), but to say that there is absolutely no fleet - it just needs to be an open blunt.

    "After a long hiatus, Russia resumes the construction of warships capable of operating in the far sea and ocean zones and projecting force into remote areas of the oceans."
    http://agitpro.su/rossiya-nachinaet-vozrozhdenie-polnocennogo-okeanskogo-flota/?utm_source=warfiles.ru

    In addition, Russia has big plans for the Arctic. Therefore, they create a fleet that will ensure security in the area. You can also mention the Russian floating nuclear power plant "Academician Lomonosov."
    It’s ridiculous to read such posts:
    Well, this is with whom to compare, if with Ukraine, then we are stronger.

    America is inferior to the same hundreds of times in quality and number of surface ships.
  • Kibl 11 January 2020 18: 17 New
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    And what to tear, look for where and where such ideas come from and take ..... We open the political map of the world, poke at random and shit with your finger, we get into Ukraine. Well, well, if not Ukraine then Poland, Latvia or the USA ..... Nah , life is beautiful and amazing thing, how much more amazing and wonderful happens ...... It turned out that there is a Navy in Ukraine, now let's talk about the Ukrainian Aerospace Forces .....
  • Julius Caesar 11 January 2020 19: 23 New
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    Earlier Romanyuk said that in the military aspect, Ukraine surpasses at least 13 NATO member countries.
    Hmm ...
    Iceland
    Luxembourg
    Montenegro
    Lithuania
    Latvia
    Estonia
    Slovenia
    Albania
    Bulgaria
    Czech Republic
    Croatia
    Slovakia

    Who is the 13th?
    1. LeonidL 12 January 2020 01: 46 New
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      Ukraine! Ukraine number 13! Well, are you offended? They forgot how to count normally - now only on mov and fingers.
  • Shaman 11 January 2020 20: 07 New
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    Well, there’s no longer any mother of Russia, now we’ve disappeared without a fleet. Shelter us orphans and destitute. Hey you wise quacks, you still compare someone who wrote ..n longer.
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    Which country - such and experts.
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    - "Romanyuk said earlier that in the military aspect, Ukraine surpasses at least 13 NATO member countries" - naturally !!! in their excavated sea, the most "strong". In fact, the problem is in those media that circulate such a crap !!!
  • Dmitry Medvedev_2 14 January 2020 16: 37 New
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    What is it to laugh? With whom to compare if? If with the United States and China. then we really do not have a fleet. If with Ukraine. then they don’t have it.