On the Web, they mocked the Ukrainian "expert" for words about the lack of a surface fleet in Russia

The network mocked another "expert" statement by the chairman of the All-Ukrainian public organization "Ukraine in NATO" Yuri Romaniuk, who in an interview with the "Obozrevatel" portal said that Russia "has no surface fleet".

Commenting on the statements of Romaniuk, users called on the “expert” to first pay attention to the problems of the Ukrainian fleet, and then criticize Russia.

Is dementia and incompetence a mandatory requirement for Ukrainian experts?

- asks one of the commentators.

Nord Stream-2 and the Crimean bridge also do not exist

- declares another.

Many of those commenting have wondered where Ukraine finds "such idiots."

Earlier, Yuri Romanyuk, commenting on the teachings of the Northern and Black Sea fleets that took place in the Black Sea and was watched by Russian President Vladimir Putin, said that the Black Sea Fleet is not only inferior to the Turkish, but also significantly superior to the Romanian fleet. According to him, the Black Sea Fleet is in an “extremely deplorable” state.

In fact, Putin did not come to the Black Sea Fleet exercises, but to the funeral of the Black Sea squadron. Therefore, to say that the Black Sea Fleet poses some kind of threat in the region is just some kind of hyperbole

- he said.

According to Romaniuk, the only thing that Russia has and poses a real threat is nuclear submarines.

Earlier Romanyuk said that in the military aspect, Ukraine surpasses at least 13 NATO member countries.

Comments

[private person]

On the Web, they mocked the Ukrainian "expert" for words about the lack of a surface fleet in Russia

Well, this is with whom to compare, if with Ukraine, then we are stronger.

[huntsman650]

Again for the truth minus man. America is inferior to the same hundreds of times in quality and number of surface ships.

[private person]

Well, it’s better to put a minus, and if you really make a comparison, but not with Georgia, Romania. And with those who can really confront Russia it is the United States, England, Germany, Turkey and of course China as without it. This week there was an article about the situation with submarines in the Russian Navy, sad and only, and the only aircraft carrier that was burned for repair. And right there in VO wrote that most of the ships require repair.

[huntsman650]

This is the political minus))))

[A hundred]

Quote: huntsman650

This is the political minus))))

What do you have against the politicians?
It was in "your media" that we were exposed ..
Jokes even come up with ..
We went to the morgue to identify the dead ..
And one corpse's tongue moves ..
Who is this? He is alive ..?
No, this is our political officer ..
Black humor.

[huntsman650]

I have read Pokrovsky, from boldness my handbook, Shoot.

[A hundred]

Quote: huntsman650

I have read Pokrovsky, from boldness my handbook, Shoot.

And I also read different things .. Not all of them were, it was not for nothing that the Germans immediately shot them
I also read about the Afghan political officer .. I went to combat raids with sodats. I talked to them heart to heart (and remained the captain), and there are many such examples ..
"Political instructors" on the Tashkent front were formed and then, when trouble had passed the country, they were the first to rush to Moscow, to introduce the "party policy" to the masses .. Until the comfrey regained consciousness ..
And in colleges, political workers, it was they who taught the command staff how to spread rot and "teach" .. The swindlers worked beautifully ..

[huntsman650]

Don't confuse God's gift and scrambled eggs. It's hard without humor in war))). There is such an author A. Pokrovsky. He writes humorous stories about SF. One of his books "Shoot". Don't dig too deep.

[A hundred]

Quote: huntsman650

Don't confuse God's gift and scrambled eggs. It's hard without humor in war))). There is such an author A. Pokrovsky. He writes humorous stories about SF. One of his books "Shoot". Don't dig too deep.

It's hard without humor, but humor can be different ...
And there is no need to advertise anti-Soviet authors !!!
You still put "Suvorov" a traitor to the Motherland as an example ..

[huntsman650]

So you read the traitor, also funny)))

[A hundred]

Quote: huntsman650

So you read the traitor, also funny)))

Yes, I reread all of their whiners of anti-Soviet leaders first and foremost ... did not hook me, and I'm just sorry
Where are they all now?

[huntsman650]

I really don’t know about Pokrovsky, the Soviet era has passed and Putin criticizes the communists, and Medvedev in America during the reload said that unite against the slogan of the Proletariat of all countries. Where did you get that Pokrovsky anti-Soviet? He is a chemist))) a submariner, where he is a whiner)))

[A hundred]

Quote: huntsman650

I really don’t know about Pokrovsky,

Come on ..))) Pokrovsky your not calm down

Quote: huntsman650

Putin criticizes the Communists, and Medvedev in America during the preload said that unite against the slogan of the Proletarians of all countries. Where did you get that Pokrovsky anti-Soviet? He is a chemist))) a submariner, where he is a whiner)))

They are afraid of cowards for their children in the west attached ..
But we live in Russia and we have nothing to lose! Is that so Andrey?
Who are you with? For "this country" or for the Motherland -Fatherland ..
It’s time to be determined, otherwise they will trample us with balabolism and other facts ..
As Meehan, I advise you Do not read or listen to Echo!

[huntsman650]

I’m a fan of M. Zadorny and Old Man Makhno (at heart)) And it’s one thing to hurt your soul, and something else to do!

[DMB_95]

Quote: huntsman650

I’m a fan of M. Zadorny and Old Man Makhno (at heart)) And it’s one thing to hurt your soul, and something else to do!

Well, I really like Simonov's trilogy "The Living and the Dead", where one of the main characters is political instructor Sintsov, an excellent man. And no "minuses" will change my attitude towards such people.

[krot]

Our fleet is recognized as the second striped in the world after their own! Even cooler than China .. Although China is a couple of years old, and it will leave us behind, behind the size of its surface fleet

[Archon]

Locally, on the Far East, the Japanese Navy's Fleet will obviously be more powerful than the Russian one.

[Grits]

Quote: Hundred

And there is no need to advertise anti-Soviet authors !!!

The film "72 meters", by the way, is based on the works of Pokrovsky.

[qQQQ]

Quote: Hundred

And there is no need to advertise anti-Soviet authors !!!

Since when did Pokrovsky become an anti-Soviet? He’s a little exaggerated, but on the whole the army is like that, it’s not without reason that folk wisdom says: who was in the army in the circus does not laugh.

[22 dmdc]

And on what projects did you fool yourself?

[Dalmatia]

I bought two volumes of Pokrovsky, but have not yet begun to read.

[Alexey Kurtov]

Pokrovsky is a classic of naval humor, therefore, with all due respect to you, I don’t know if a woman will accept his stories. Try the story "Nancy" for a start.

[Dalmatia]

I read Sharks made of steel by Eduard Ovechkin, I really liked it. True, I had to tinker with terms. And it was with Ovechkin that I read about Pokrovsky's book. Thanks for the tip about Nepsy

[Sailor]

I wonder if the "non-existent" surface fleet shoots a volley at the armed forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, what will this expert say?
The fact that our fleet, to put it mildly, has seen better times, is a fact, but to say that it does not exist ...

[Marconi41]

Quote: Hundred

What do you have against the politicians?

A completely useless military caste! It is thanks to them that mid-level commanders are suffocating from unnecessary pieces of paper, orders and ridiculous orders to strengthen discipline, according to which, if anything, the commander will be to blame. This, in turn, leads to cover-ups. I do not mean individual "commissars", but their entire institution.

[Sergey1987]

Quote: private person

And with those who can really confront Russia it is the United States, England, Germany, Turkey and of course China as without it.

)))) Well, let's compare with England and Germany. And to compare with the USA and China is simply stupid. These countries are leaders in the world in economics and population more.

Quote: private person

This week there was an article about the situation with submarines in the Russian Navy sadness and only

But who knows what of whiners writes in VO. Is that the ultimate authority? Can they themselves be able to tell what is so bad with submarines?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Sergey1987

Can they themselves be able to tell what is so bad with submarines?

What is there to tell? There are catastrophically few of them ..., nuclear-powered ships, and there are no air-independent ones at all.

[Bratkov Oleg]

In Germany, 6 "air-independent", and all are under repair, combat and training missions are not able to perform. But cool!

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Bratkov Oleg

In Germany, 6 "air-independent", and all are under repair, combat and training missions are not able to perform. But cool!

But what do I care about some kind of Germany? I need to be in Russia. And they weren’t just there, but they also went to the database and took part in all kinds of exercises.

[Sergey1987]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

What is there to tell? There are catastrophically few of them ..., nuclear-powered ships, and there are no air-independent ones at all.

Few? Can you name at least one country other than the USA and the Russian Federation that has 10 SSBNs and 16 nuclear submarines? And these are only those that are in service, not counting the repair.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Sergey1987

Few?

And the presence of these in the United States was too shy to indicate? The emphasis was on the fact that Mauritius does not have them at all. It’s good that you are not a deputy. Minister of Defense for Armaments.

[Sergey1987]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

And the presence of these in the United States was too shy to indicate?

Yes, you know somehow not. Well, we have 10 SSBNs in the USA, 14 so what? But just where did you get the idea that we should have as many SSBNs and nuclear submarines as the United States?

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

The emphasis was on the fact that Mauritius does not have them at all.

Just like in Singapore, you just did not answer the question. Do you think that we have few SSBNs and nuclear submarines? What is your opinion based on? Why do you think that they are few? How many do you think should be?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Sergey1987

Yes, you know somehow not. Well, we have 10 SSBNs in the USA, 14 so what? But just where did you get the idea that we should have as many SSBNs and nuclear submarines as the United States?

I am not arithmetically approaching this issue. And from the perspective of the capabilities of the SSBN on both sides. How many of our SSBNs will survive, in the event of a conflict, after the strike of the American multi-purpose nuclear submarines? And how many US SSBNs will be able to destroy our multi-purpose submarines? By the way, for some reason, you were silent about the number of our multi-purpose nuclear submarines and Amer.
I understand that the conflict, if it happens, will not be between the nuclear submarines of the parties to the conflict, but between all types of armed forces, and therefore I would like not a single type of Russian armed forces to lose in the confrontation. And for this it is necessary, if losing quantitatively, then winning qualitatively. And since in the qualitative respect we are losing in the marine component, and in the nuclear submarines, too, in this situation the quantitative factor is by no means the last one.

[Sergey1987]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

I am not arithmetically approaching this issue. And from the perspective of the capabilities of the SSBN on both sides. How many of our SSBNs will survive, in the event of a conflict, after the strike of the American multi-purpose nuclear submarines? And how many US SSBNs will be able to destroy our multi-purpose submarines?

So the task is that the SSBN is not to approach the shores of the enemy. Their task is to be on duty and in times of war to release ICBMs. In times of war, not ours, not Amerov’s nuclear submarines, will have no time to find anyone.

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

By the way, for some reason, you were silent about the number of our multi-purpose nuclear submarines and Amer.

Yes, I didn’t. And so it is clear that there are more of them. The thing is different. I repeat once again. How did you get the idea that we should have the same number of SSBNs and nuclear submarines as the United States? We are a different country. The GDP of the Russian Federation is 4,2 trillion dollars, and the United States 19. What do we need now to set up 800 bases around the world like them?

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

I understand that the conflict, if it happens, will not be between the nuclear submarines of the parties to the conflict, but between all types of armed forces and therefore I would like that not one type of Russian armed forces lose in the confrontation. And for this it is necessary, if losing quantitatively, then winning qualitatively.

So that's it. I agree with you on this.

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

And since, in terms of quality, we are losing in the offshore component, and in the nuclear submarines too

But I do not agree with this. It is interesting why our submarines are worse than them?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Sergey1987

But I do not agree with this. It is interesting why our submarines are worse than them?

In the noise and the ability to detect the foe and identify him before the foe does. And APRKSN in the number of missiles on board. "Bulava" is inferior to "Trident-2" in reliability, about accuracy - I do not know, I will not speak.

[Sergey1987]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

In the noise and the ability to detect the adversary and its identification earlier than the adversary does.

https://warhead.su/2018/02/02/yasen-vs-virdzhiniya-chya-podlodka-kruche

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

And APRKSN in the number of missiles on board. "Bulava" is inferior to "Trident-2"

Well, the Mace on the Boreas, on the Dolphins Liner. This is not the case. Well, let it be on Boreas 16, but on Ohio 24 ICBMs so what? And 16 is enough to destroy all the major major US cities, and given the number of SSBNs, you can wipe off the face of the earth along and across the US. In these boats this is not the main thing.

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Bulava is inferior to Trident-2 in reliability,

Mace: Number of starts 34, unsuccessful 7. ICBMs were created recently and like anyone at the beginning there were problems. The last 14 starts are successful. At Trident-2, too, not everything was ideally. He is much older because 150 starts, and 4 failures. This is normal. To say that because of this straight Mace is not reliable, and the other reliable is impossible.
The most important thing is different. Well, we have quite a few nuclear powered ships. Fine. And the quality is not worse.

[Marconi41]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

And the presence of these in the United States was too shy to indicate? The emphasis was on the fact that Mauritius does not have them at all.

Compare Romania and Turkey specified in the article ?!

[Rusj]

Where are you from ? crawled out?

[Grits]

Quote: Sergey1987

And can you tell me at least one country except the USA and the Russian Federation which has 10 SSBNs and 16 nuclear submarines

By the way, there are no cruisers in other fleets. Only in the Russian Federation and the USA

[Finn]

[quote] [/ quote] fellow countryman bummer with submarines. Now the technology is such that the buoys are scattered and they shine for 100 km. By changing the magnetic field of the earth. The Kirdyk triad knows everything from where they have moored and where they are now.

[lis-ik]

It’s easier to put the question differently. What developed countries do we surpass quantitatively and most importantly qualitatively in the surface fleet? It will immediately become sad.

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: lis-ik

It’s easier to put the question differently. What developed countries do we surpass quantitatively and most importantly qualitatively in the surface fleet? It will immediately become sad.

And why raise this particular question?
Let's put the question differently. Which developed countries are superior to Russia in hypersonic weapons? The sadness will pass immediately.
It is not possible to be leaders everywhere and in everything. The main thing is that Russia can stand up for itself.
Yes, and not just for yourself.

[Stas157]

Quote: Vladimir_6

It is not possible to be leaders everywhere and in everything.

This time very often they say just that, justifying their lag. But in the USSR they didn’t say that, because he was ahead of the rest. And in general, if a country claims to be a superpower (and Russia claims to be constantly saying this everywhere), then we need to keep the bar. At least in the navy. A country washed by 12 seas and three oceans.

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: Stas157

This time very often they say just that, justifying their lag. But in the USSR

The USSR included 16 republics. Therefore, material, production and human resources were much greater. This is the first.
Secondly, the country's leadership has a much clearer idea of ​​the priorities of the required types of weapons than the “sofa experts”.

Quote: Stas157

And in general, if a country claims to be a superpower (and Russia claims to be constantly saying this everywhere), then we need to keep the bar.

Russia does not claim to be a superpower. Russia is a superpower.
Otherwise, in Syria today it would have been different.
Do not believe Barack Obama that he tore the Russian economy to shreds.

[lis-ik]

Quote: Vladimir_6

The USSR included 16 republics.

Isn't it 15?

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: lis-ik

Quote: Vladimir_6

The USSR included 16 republics.

Isn't it 15?

The number of union republics of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics varied from 4 to 16.
"In August 1940, the USSR adopted the Moldavian SSR (August 2), the Lithuanian SSR (August 3), the Latvian SSR (August 5) and the Estonian SSR (August 6); there were 16 union republics."
"On July 16, 1956, the Karelo-Finnish SSR was returned to the status of an autonomous republic within the RSFSR and again transformed into the Karelian ASSR; there were 15 union republics."
We can also assume that 15.

[Cetron]

And what's the use of hyper super rockets? One stroke of the pen, a small tweet, and SP2 is stopped, the lards to Ukraine are paid and are still preparing to pay twice as much. If the hegemon wants, I think, cut the super missiles in two days and say that this is for Russia's greatness. That's what life-giving sanctions do.

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: Cetron

And what's the use of hyper super rockets? One stroke of the pen, a small tweet, and SP2 is stopped,

Not stopped, but paused. Your joy is stupid and meaningless. SP2 will be completed.

Quote: Cetron

If the hegemon wants, I think

Do not think much. Do not overstrain the brain. Your cardboard hegemon received a bitter pill from the Persians and took his feet from the Persian Gulf with such speed that yachtsmen envied him (the hegemon).
You put too much on the hegemon. He is simply not up to you.

[Cetron]

There is no joy whatsoever, SP2 will probably be completed, or maybe not - Russia's capabilities are very limited under the current effective managers.
But the possibilities of "cardboard" ...
Silk, and Russia has no aluminum industry. Silk, and SP2 stopped. Silk, and Ukrainians with money.
Our Latvians long barked at Russia, and transit went and went. Click - sanctions against Latvian ports, transit has stopped, ships are simply afraid to enter. The ruling all the same, only the workers suffered - they had already announced mass layoffs (personally, they haven’t touched me yet, but I’m not feeling for long).
So who rules the world? Who has the button? Honor and patriotism is good, but if objectively ...

[Vadim237]

You can’t rustle - Gazprom has applied for the retrofitting of one of our joint venture pipelines SP 2, it will be completed 1,5 - 2 kilometers per day.

[Grits]

Quote: lis-ik

It’s easier to put the question differently. What developed countries do we surpass quantitatively and most importantly qualitatively in the surface fleet? Immediately sad become

Somewhere recently I saw statistics. And most interestingly, the Russian fleet is still in second place after the American one. Of course, I strongly doubt that China has already pushed him aside, but so far this is a fact. Yes, and he holds on to this place, most likely, already from the last forces. And obviously soon it will roll lower and lower. To the American fleet, of course, to us, as to the moon on foot (as well as to all other fleets), but to say that there is absolutely no fleet - it just needs to be an open blunt.

[lis-ik]

Quote: Gritsa

Yes, and he holds on to this place, most likely, already from the last forces. And obviously soon it will roll lower and lower.

Holds on because of nuclear boats, and so far, but surface ones are completely sad.

[Grits]

Quote: lis-ik

Holds on because of nuclear boats, and so far, but surface ones are completely sad.

I agree. Without ARL, it would be not just sad, but disastrous.

[Rusj]

United Kingdom France Germany Italy list more?

[lis-ik]

Quote: Rusj

United Kingdom France Germany Italy list more?

First rank ships are being put into operation, can we boast of this? Not a single ship after the collapse of the USSR.

[lis-ik]

Quote: lis-ik

Quote: Rusj

United Kingdom France Germany Italy list more?

First rank ships are being put into operation, can we boast of this? Not a single ship after the collapse of the USSR.

Hurray patriots do not want to face reality.

[Eroma]

Of the countries you have listed, only the United States is stronger at sea, China outnumbers, maybe the number gives China superiority at sea, but the British, French, Germany at sea against Russia are in the same position as Russia against the USA, that they can, but globally not able to win a war at sea. The European fleet as a whole is able to withstand the Russian Navy, individually, the European countries are weak, probably Germany in the Baltic Sea can count on domain domination, but in the ocean they are dead!

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: Eroma

Of the countries you have listed, only the United States is stronger at sea,

This is if you arrange sea battles. And if the enemy of the United States has reliable means of destroying the fleet, then the number of ships is not critical.
The United States just confirmed this when drapanuli from the Persian Gulf.
And Russia has much more opportunities to destroy the US fleet than Iran.
Although this is not necessary. Putin said: "We will hit the decision-making centers."

[Grits]

This fleet separately is clearly weaker than the USA, but more powerful than the fleet of Norway, Great Britain and some sort of Iceland.

[huntsman650]

Iceland does not have a fleet) and half of the pictures are not on track)

[Grits]

Quote: huntsman650

Iceland does not have a fleet) and half of the pictures are not on track)

Especially for those who have not figured it out, I explain - there the ships in repair and construction are highlighted in different colors. True, the picture is already very old. Some ships can no longer be considered ships. But there were also new ones that were not included in them.
And the fact that Iceland does not have a fleet is their personal problem and Trump, to me what are the claims on their fleet?

[Grits]

Quote: Eroma

Of the countries you have listed, only the United States is stronger at sea

This fleet is clearly weaker than the USA, weaker than China and Japan. But more powerful than the fleets of South Korea and North Korea, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam.

[Grits]

Quote: Eroma

Of the countries you have listed, only the United States is stronger at sea

This fleet has become more powerful than Turetsky after new arrivals. And especially Romanian, Bulgarian and khe-khe ... Ukrainian

[Grits]

Quote: Eroma

Of the countries you have listed, only the United States is stronger at sea

Fot this fleet will be no worse than German, Swedish, and especially Danish, Finnish or Polish. About Lithuanian, Danish and Estonian I will not say anything.

[Grits]

Quote: Eroma

Of the countries you have listed, only the United States is stronger at sea

And there is still such a small flotilla. Nevertheless, it is still more powerful than the fleet of Iran, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan.

[poquello]

Quote: Gritsa

Quote: Eroma

Of the countries you have listed, only the United States is stronger at sea

And there is still such a small flotilla. Nevertheless, it is still more powerful than the fleet of Iran, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan.

no, well, how without an aircraft carrier in the Caspian? what kind of garbage?

[Grits]

Quote: Eroma

Of the countries you have listed, only the United States is stronger at sea

Thus, individually, fleets are inferior to some countries. But they will not yield to others. And if you count it together, then it’s quite a serious force. Till.
Sorry to reference your post exactly. Nothing personal. It was just more convenient.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Gritsa

And if you count it together, then it’s quite a serious force. Till.

So it’s impossible to count together. How, if something happens, let's say the Black Sea can help the Pacific or Baltic or Northern fleets? No way. Did Baltic help greatly help the Pacific in 905? Help result remember? And it’s not even Rozhdestvensky’s, it’s the matter of distances. So, if disaster happens, the Pacific will have to fight alone with the fleets of the USA, Japan and South Korea and, quite possibly, Australia. Do you understand this? And the Black Sea alone with the fleets of Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, Turkey, Italy and further on the list.

[Eroma]

You describe a conflict in which nuclear weapons will be the main caliber! And what the fleet will be busy with is already the fifth case! The adversary’s squadrons will be evaporated in a nuclear fire! ...
And without the United States, all opponents with superiority at sea are inferior in the air and have nothing to oppose against tactical and cruise missiles! ... the fleet, this is only part of the armed forces, if we compare the Russian army and the armies of our neighbors, then the comparison is in our favor, and with solid stock

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Eroma

You describe a conflict in which nuclear weapons will be the main caliber!

You are wrong. If the issue is not “to be or not to be,” but to be dominant in the world or to yield to someone, then neither side will dare to use nuclear weapons and therefore there will be an ordinary war. And the fleet will play not the last violin in it. The adversary will not compete with us on a land theater of operations, he will start a game with us at sea and in the air, where, alas, we are losing, today, both qualitatively and quantitatively.

[Eroma]

Global dominance, this is the question of being or being, and there will be no half measures in it!
Russia does not pretend to be the world, but sits on “fat topics” (oil, gas, weapons) + independent. Imagine that we are being thrown away from our topics (the energy market of Europe, as an example), this is the collapse and disappearance of Russia, and why do we need a world where Russia is not?
The USA due to hegemony is sooooo rich, but if you deprive them of the hegemony, what will happen to the USA, perhaps also collapse, do you think they will not burn the world?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Eroma

independent. Imagine that we are being thrown away from our topics (the energy market of Europe, as an example), this is the collapse and disappearance of Russia,

Do not smack nonsense, it hurts. Russia may well become author. Do you know this word?
True, under one condition, the leaders of Russia are statesmen such as I.V. Stalin, and not blockheads like Khrushchev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin. And we ourselves will need energy carriers at 5-7% annual economic growth.
Well, we will not have bananas and other pineapples, what, die?

[Eroma]

A familiar word, written through A! Only everyone who tried to live like that ended badly!
China was once a technological, military and economic giant but the emperor decided to abandon expansion and closed China from the world, as a result, the world developed, and then China became a semi-colony of small but more developed peoples! (Share the Chinese pie remember?)
In the USSR, Stalin was only once, then something did not work out with the rulers
You can live without bananas, but there are people who cannot live without jamon!
And to be successful without the rest of the world, we need more people, tea is not the USSR
And in general, what ... are we supposed to live in the forest because of someone? We are part of the world and we have all the rights to live in it as we like! And whoever doesn’t like it, the one on the hill!

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Eroma

A familiar word, written through A!

And I wrote through A, but the auto editor changed to O. I did not agree, corrected to A, but he still wrote Oh! Here I am powerless.

Quote: Eroma

but the emperor decided to abandon expansion and closed China from the world,

Yes, do not care about China. I mean, Russia will not be lost without energy sales, as you think.

Quote: Eroma

You can live without bananas, but there are people who cannot live without jamon!

Well, - good riddance. (you can )

Quote: Eroma

And in order to be successful without the rest of the world, we need more people,

Not necessarily from the word - at all. A.V.Suvorov - "They fight not by number, but by skill"
The main trouble of Russia is the disgusting organization of production and the poor organization of labor.

[Grits]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

So it’s impossible to count together.

That is why I proposed visual pictures separately. Because it is not right to consider our fleet as one at a certain point in time. But. This is not only a problem for the Russian fleet. Many large countries have several fleets, the transfer and support of which in the right direction is difficult. Well, for example - North Korea. She essentially has 2 fleets (it does not matter what they are called and formulated). But helping each other is almost very problematic. Iran also has 2 - so it’s impossible to transfer there at all. China also has more than one fleet. Of course, it’s easier for them in terms of efficiency, but still ... India has 2 fleets. Yes, and note that in the United States it is not a single fleet, but several on different ends of the planet.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Gritsa

the transfer and support of which in the right direction is difficult. Well, for example - North Korea. She essentially has 2 fleets (no matter what they are called and

Well, a very "large country" based on your words.

Quote: Gritsa

China also has more than one fleet.

Who and what will prevent China from solving the problem by the combined efforts of all its fleets, even if it has three dozen? India, the same thing. It is not a matter of the number of fleets; it is a matter of the possibility of quick interaction to solve a specific problem that cannot be solved by the forces of one of the fleets. The United States has the ability to quickly transfer forces from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean or vice versa, than we can strengthen our Pacific forces with any of the fleets. Even to strengthen the Baltic Fleet with the forces of the North is very problematic in the context of the conflict. Because this will be hindered by the Swedes, Norwegians, Germans, Poles, British, etc. Dutch

[Eroma]

It depends on what you drive from the Northern Fleet to the Baltic Sea, along the Belomor Canal, corvettes, Varshavyanka, boats can sail back and forth, and from the Caspian Sea and the Black Sea you can also drive a trifle through the canals

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Eroma

It depends on what you drive from the Northern Fleet to the Baltic Sea, along the Belomor Canal, corvettes, Varshavyanka, boats can sail back and forth, and from the Caspian Sea and the Black Sea you can also drive a trifle through the canals

Sure. Have you forgotten about kayaking and sports yachts?

[Grits]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

The United States has the ability to quickly transfer forces from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean or vice versa, than we can strengthen our Pacific forces with any of the fleets. Even to strengthen the Baltic Fleet with the forces of the North is very problematic in the context of the conflict.

I agree with you. I think that it is precisely because of this that they are intensively developing the infrastructure of the Northern Sea Route and its military component - for a quick transfer of fleet forces.

[Spektr]

What is the argument about? If at least more than one tamahawk is released from the side of any vessel, he will receive a DAGGER or CYCRON aboard, for those who do not understand. And so there are other effective remedies against the most arrogant. What is the reason that you have 30 rounds of ammunition in the assault rifle store if you hit a sniper?

[Spektr]

What is the argument about? When releasing from the side of any vessel at least more than one tomahawk, he will receive a DAGGER or CYCRON on board, for those who are not understanding. And so there are other effective remedies against the most arrogant. What is the reason that you have 30 rounds of ammunition in the assault rifle store if you hit a sniper?

[WILL]

Quote: huntsman650

Again for the truth minus man. America is inferior to the same hundreds of times in quality and number of surface ships.

Just like a hundred times ??? confirm your conclusion with the numbers. Or so, in a bunch of puddles? Well, in terms of quality - in more detail ...
And try to embed in your calculations (although you can do it vryatly), the geography of our countries, the concept of the Fleet, its (Fleet) strategic importance.

[huntsman650]

The same Ustinov was armed with junk, there was no modernization, they did not produce rockets, there was no reserve. Googles about the numbers, how many destroyers we have and how many amers. The destroyer type Orly Burke More than 50 pieces and each 60 cells for tomahawks. We have not a single one on the go !!!

[WILL]

Mdya ... iron argument. Burn - Continue!

[huntsman650]

And how do you argue your cons. Exclusively perseverance and urapatriotizm. I don’t want to upset you, but we will not recruit from all fleets and a tenth of the ships from NATO. I’m a little connected with our Navy and I know the real storytelling, I won’t write everything for ethical reasons.

[huntsman650]

They sat with the lieutenant in the headquarters and saw the ships on the maps))) Who served in the Navy in the circus does not laugh.

[private person]

Now we are already comparing Our Fleet with the All fleet of NATO, it seems like they started from America ????
Compared to the USSR Fleet - yes, much smaller in composition.


So nothing is said about the USSR in the article. And if, as you put it in the course, tell us wretched.

[private person]

You also wrote this word but your koment was not deleted and the warning most likely did not come.

[Tersky]

Quote: huntsman650

know real stacked,

Well, maybe so ... then of course it is such an arrangement, and with each raised closer to real sided , where do we ....

[Serg65]

Quote: huntsman650

I’m a little connected with our Navy and I know the real storytelling, I won’t write everything for ethical reasons.

Oh, another clandestine naval expert! Comrade connoisseur, is it correct to compare the fleet of an entire bloc with one country?

[Dalmatia]

What do you have their cons? Reading your opinion is interesting.

[Eroma]

There is no point in arguing about the possibility of building ships, the United States and especially NATO as a whole are superior to us tenfold! The US Navy is bigger and more powerful, it's objective! We do not when they can not be compared with the number of pennants. But this is not a reason to hang your nose and scream the guard, everything is gone! We and they have different tasks, hence a different approach to the construction of the fleet. The fleet is only part of the armed forces and due to the presence of extremely advanced missile systems and. Other weapons. We are an extremely dangerous adversary

[nickname7]

Mdya ... iron argument. Burn - Continue!

The same Britain, the Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier, built from 0, which they laughed at, and they have 2 more old ones. But the Russian Federation is not able to build an aircraft carrier.
Why is truth unacceptable to you incomprehensibly, or is it better for you to stick your head in the sand?
If you equate fairly moderate critics with liberals, then again you are not aware that they are like that. Somehow I got to the journalist’s report Echo about the return of Aurora from repair, so he took marks on the case from tires and echo forum arranged a sabbath, ridiculed and poured brown on the ship and on the Russian Federation, a vile sight. There is nothing of the kind here.

[poquello]

Quote: nickname7

Mdya ... iron argument. Burn - Continue!

The same Britain, the Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier, built from 0, which they laughed at, and they have 2 more old ones. But the Russian Federation is not able to build an aircraft carrier.
Why is truth unacceptable to you incomprehensibly, or is it better for you to stick your head in the sand?
If you equate fairly moderate critics with liberals, then again you are not aware that they are like that. Somehow I got to the journalist’s report Echo about the return of Aurora from repair, so he took marks on the case from tires and echo forum arranged a sabbath, ridiculed and poured brown on the ship and on the Russian Federation, a vile sight. There is nothing of the kind here.

disgrace! sucks! You can’t live like that! WE DO NOT HAVE A CARRIER IN THE CASPIAN SEA!

[jayich]

Well, actually, in 2013, I was handed over to the Indians, (in fact, there are 50% of the hull structures from the old percent)

[Sergey1987]

Quote: huntsman650

The same Ustinov on arming junk

What is a clown junk? Is the P-1000 anti-ship missile with a range of 1000 km, and Harpoon 150 km? The fact that the speed of the Volcano is Mach 2,5, and Harpoon has only 850 km / h? Or is it that the warhead in Vulcan is 500 kg, and in Harpoon 220? Or maybe we’ll talk about air defense of Marshal Ustinov?

Quote: huntsman650

Googles about the numbers, how many destroyers we have and how many amers. The destroyer type Orly Burke More than 50 pieces and each 60 cells for tomahawks. We have not a single one on the go !!!

You are an unfinished expert. The mission of the Russian destroyers is different from that of Arleigh Burke. But it can be seen the level of your knowledge, if you do not write the name of the destroyer correctly and make a mistake in the word "Tomahawk". And why even compare with the US Navy? Compare with the whole NATO or the whole world.

[huntsman650]

You’re a clown yourself, there are no Volcanoes, they have rotted, there are few of them, problems with start-ups. Ustinov’s rotten too, the wasps don’t fly, and the fort crumbles and is being repaired all the time. What years of zura? How many cruisers they have and we have Ustin alone on the go. I do not consider myself an expert; I do not pretend to be your place. Therefore, the wine k.3r. all leash quit.

[Sergey1987]

Quote: huntsman650

You’re a clown yourself, there are no Volcanoes, they have rotted, there are few of them, problems with start-ups. Ustinov’s rotten too, the wasps don’t fly, and the fort crumbles and is being repaired all the time.

Well, of course. You personally checked everything. Suddenly, the Wasps stopped shooting right, the Forts are breaking right, and of course they tell you about it. Personally, you went around all the warehouses and counted the number of Volcanoes. Just nonsense. Want to engage in delusional criticism? Get involved. That's just the essence it will not change. One empty chatter of yours.

Quote: huntsman650

How many cruisers they have and we have Ustin alone on the go.

And how many cruisers do they have here? The United States is twice as large in terms of population and the 2nd economy of the world, and we are the 6th.

[huntsman650]

And here you are doing yourself a career on the site here) so I wrote all the appearances and passwords to you. Comrade Major. It would be better if they planted those who profit from the construction and repair of ships and whose fault all the time of the repair is delayed. My ship has cost 12 shipyard since 35 and during this time nothing has been done and it will not leave from there. There is such a thing as operational reliability m.ch. and it gets lower over the years. Google in which year they adopted this or that complex, it probably coincides with the year the ship was built, and what kind of reliability a rocket of 80 g can have.

[Sergey1987]

Quote: huntsman650

And here you are doing yourself a career on the site here) so I wrote all the appearances and passwords to you.

No, I’m doing a career in a different direction.

Quote: huntsman650

It would be better if they planted those who profit from the construction and repair of ships and whose fault all the time of the repair is delayed.

Well, it's not for me to decide who to plant and for what.

Quote: huntsman650

Google in which year they adopted this or that complex, it probably coincides with the year the ship was built, and what kind of reliability a rocket of 80 g can have.

That's strange only. So, for example, our Marshal Ustinov was launched in the 86th and it means junk and nothing works there, and the first Arly Burke is in the 89th and for some reason everything works for him.

[huntsman650]

On Burke, everything that deduced the term is changing, and our service life will last. I'm talking about rockets)))

[huntsman650]

Про 6-е место https://yandex.ru/video/touch/search?_=1578742257667&filmId=14568340832179551445&p=1&text=%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4%20%D0%BF%D0%BE%20%D1%8D%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B5%20%D1%8E%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%80

[Sergey1987]

Quote: huntsman650

Про 6-е место https://yandex.ru/video/touch/search?_=1578742257667&filmId=14568340832179551445&p=1&text=%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4%20%D0%BF%D0%BE%20%D1%8D%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B5%20%D1%8E%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%80

Well yes. Yavlinsky is just a Nobel laureate in economics. What is the IMF, the World Bank and economic experts. It’s better to listen to this creature of Yavlinsky, because there isn’t much mind there to read.

[huntsman650]

Yes, everything is fine with us, but you can get to the stake))). You ride a domestic car, what is now on you from our clothes, furniture at home, our dishes? Below the comrades wrote correctly, there is no fleet, there are separate units, the legacy of the USSR. What is being built for a very long time and little is a fact, at least zaminusuyte to death. Hurray to scream early, there is something to criticize.

[Sergey1987]

Quote: huntsman650

Yes, everything is fine with us, but you can get to the stake))). You ride on a domestic car, what is now on you from our clothes, at home furniture, dishes, our interior?

Surely. But we ourselves must directly produce everything and everything and use everything domestic only for everyone. Imagine in Italy, not everyone drives Alfa Romeo and Lambardigini, not all Armani wear and do not have their own laptops, smartphones, televisions and microwave ovens. And in France, exactly the same. And in Denmark, mass suicides due to the fact that they do not produce their cars - no.
About me. Auto is not Russian-made, because I can afford to buy a respectable car that AvtoVAZ does not produce. My clothes are all Russian-made. All foreign equipment except the refrigerator and stove. Furniture and dishes are domestic.

Quote: huntsman650

Below the comrades wrote correctly, there is no fleet, there are separate units, the legacy of the USSR.

A country possessing an SSBN, a nuclear submarine, cruisers, destroyers, frigates and corvettes means it does not have a fleet. A country with 1 aircraft carrier and 3-4 cruisers means it doesn’t have a fleet, and a country with 50 cruisers means it has a fleet? Is it you yourself who have developed such criteria or some passengers aching below? That's just funny. It turns out that only one country in the world has a fleet, the rest does not understand what.
As for the heritage of the USSR. In normal countries, ships built during the Cold War are being repaired, modernized, and we can only hear whining from the pseudo-communists. It was probably necessary to flood everything that was released during the USSR, so that God forbid people like you would not cry later. And straight all the heritage of the USSR? You list what the Russian Federation built?

[huntsman650]

To be honest, I didn’t know that it was Yavlinsky)))), but neighing from the heart))), everyone here is serious, without humor))))

[Alex Gunn]

So have they rotted or are they few?

[huntsman650]

On paper, TTX is good, but the actual condition of the products and the timing is different.

[Boomandroid]

Quote: huntsman650

On paper, TTX is good, but the actual condition of the products and the timing is different.

On paper "Patriots" were also good ... However, full of holes as practice showed ..

[huntsman650]

It is also important from the preparation of the calculations, for 13 years I exploited the Dagger, the sea Thor. If the calculation is not ready, then the result is deplorable. If the SOC operator is experienced, knocks everything down.

[Rusj]

You burn napalm bol ......... n

[Grits]

Quote: huntsman650

The destroyer type Orly Burke More than 50 pieces and each 60 cells for tomahawks.

When you are the captain of the American Orly Burke and go to sea to war, you will be surprised that downloading 60 Tomahawks, you will be completely defenseless against ships and enemy aircraft. Then you will bewilder and start to beg to throw away a huge part of the Tomogavks, and stuffed you with anti-aircraft missiles and Harpoons. Otherwise, you cannot survive.
By the way, the standard supply of attack missiles on Burke with tomogavs is about 10. That is, almost like our "river boat" Buyan M.

[huntsman650]

One of the options is 60, no need to find fault with the words. They will tell the commander what and how much to load))) We have not a single 956 on the move. It's about the number of ships. Then comrades are beginning to be clever. Tasks and strategies to tell me. When there’s nothing and nothing to load at all trouble. Another question is how you will deal with ORS, anti-radar projectile. Launched in conjunction with anti-ship missiles, without entering the strike zone of air defense ships. I personally think that knocking them down with junk is not possible!

[nickname7]

confirm your conclusion with numbers

What should you write an article on the forum? To convince you need to chew? Or you were banned in Google, then live in ignorance.

[Voyager]

So in the hundreds?

[Sergey1987]

Quote: huntsman650

Again for the truth minus man. America is inferior to the same hundreds of times in quality and number of surface ships.

Well, why hundreds of times in quantity? Do not be modest in the millions write. And in terms of quality, do not tell us why, for example, our cruisers are inferior to them, or our submarines, or SSBNs?

[Alexey Kurtov]

USA-293 ships, Russia-136 ships, is it hundreds of times?

[4ekist]

Are you an expert too?

[Sergey1987]

Quote: private person

Well, this is with whom to compare, if with Ukraine, then we are stronger.

And who has a stronger fleet in the Black Sea?

[Dude]

Quote: Sergey1987

Quote: private person

Well, this is with whom to compare, if with Ukraine, then we are stronger.

And who has a stronger fleet in the Black Sea?

It depends on the situation. Turkey has quite a decent fleet for itself. For attacking us, for conducting operations in the north of the World Cup, it is rather weak, but for the protection of the straits, it’s quite for itself. So-so, parity.

[Sergey1987]

Quote: Dude

It depends on the situation. Turkey has quite a decent fleet for itself. For attacking us, for conducting operations in the north of the World Cup, it is rather weak, but for the protection of the straits, it’s quite for itself. So-so, parity.

Totally agree with you.

[olegactor]

Well, this is with whom to compare, if with Ukraine, then we are stronger .

and what the Romanians have a fleet .... and it is stronger than the Black Sea Fleet ... yes, funny

[COJIDAT]

Fleet for nuclear weapons, land for corpses, the world for destruction) CIS

[Shelest2000]

Lead, so to speak, from a madhouse

[4ekist]

I consider it unnecessary to comment on the statements of the mentally ill (like different Romanyukov). Ward # 6 misses them.

[grave]

Well, considering what they release for the Navy and how the ships are being repaired ... A mosquito fleet with rackets is good but not for a country of 5 seas.

[skif8013]

Compared with the USSR fleet, we do not have it now.

[grave]

Rubber boats promptly replenish fleet formation .. Of course it’s not, only one joke

[Tersky]

Quote: Kapa

.. A mosquito fleet with rackets is good but not for a country of 5 seas.

Pull up geography and then talk about the fleet with rackets. Russia is washed by 1 closed sea and 14 seas.

Quote: Kapa

..and how the ships are being repaired ..

They all burn, and not only at the docks https://topwar.ru/80201-avarii-na-amerikanskom-flote.html

[Tersky]

Quote: Kapa

I can also donate my one and a half-seat inflatable boat for the benefit of the Navy and take away another inflatable duckling from my daughter

Are you tired of trolling? And then punishment will descend on "Kara", not from heaven of course.

[grave]

I want to sacrifice my personal! thing for the good of the motherland! They drowned the dock, set fire to the boat (by accident, of course) And I, as a patriot .. I can help ... It's not trolling, when you look at the news, you don’t know what to do, cry or laugh. You won’t laugh at the trolling.

[4ekist]

The number of seas correctly calculated?

[grave]

Then they prompted me and immediately felt better! Things are even better than I thought.

[NKT]

A mosquito fleet with rackets is good but not for a country of 5 seas.

Confused the country with the city of Moscow, which is a port of five seas.

[Sergey1987]

Quote: Kapa

A mosquito fleet with rackets is good but not for a country of 5 seas.

Here is another wise guy drew. Does this mean that the country is armed with an SSBN, nuclear submarines, cruisers, frigates, corvettes, a mosquito fleet? Does the head not work at all?

[grave]

These boats are needed to accompany larger boats, of which we don’t have, and without them, these corvetics frigate with tactical rackets Caliber zilch, they cost nothing. And the rackets still need to be pointed at foreign fleets somehow - but what is it to bring about? everything already

[Sergey1987]

Quote: Kapa

These boats are needed to accompany larger boats, of which we do not have

Well, all the clinic. Do you at least read the tasks of the SSBN, nuclear submarines, frigates and corvettes. Which boats are big? What are you talking about?

Quote: Kapa

And the Rackets still need to be somehow pointed at foreign fleets - but with what to put it in? Cosmic rafts almost everything is already -byu

You look like your brain. Itself is able to google how many military and dual-purpose satellites are in orbit, or do I still need to paint a clown with you? Head at least think about how more than 100 KR ISIS released in the SAR.

[Victor_B]

And the main thing is to jump less!
For when the stubborn jump, the Black Sea fleet receives new bases and increases qualitatively and numerically.
That Muscovites do not jump, so the Navy is degrading.

[Lena Petrova]

The main thing is not to believe in a new unpunished breakthrough. Obviously, the dishes have already patched up. And the toilets are new. Itchy.

[knn54]

They are found (most likely) in Galicia and its environs. An example of how yesterday migrant workers come to power structures, with Ivan -pan.

[Ru_Na]

Ukromozb, like ukrology, is mysterious, not subject to study, they should only be recorded in anecdotes!

[seregin-s1]

There is no desire to compare the Black Sea Fleet with the Ukrainian. The Black Sea Fleet probably has full-fledged coastal troops and a submarine brigade. The rest wishes a better condition.

[businessv]

According to Romaniuk, the only thing that Russia has and poses a real threat is nuclear submarines.

Everything that Russia has poses a real threat to the independence and this is a sad fact for them, hence the ears of statements of this kind grow.

[Pavel57]

Russia is torn to shreds, there is no fleet ... a mantra for self-hypnosis.

[rotmistr60]

All-Ukrainian public organization "Ukraine in NATO"

What organization, such and chairman. Just as if deeply licking NATO, saying frank stupidity about the Black Sea Fleet, no one is waiting for Ukraine in this block.

Is dementia and incompetence a mandatory requirement for Ukrainian experts?

Obviously not only mandatory, but also must be innate.

[PValery53]

Yuri Romanyuk, who in an interview with the Obozrevatel portal said that Russia "does not have a surface fleet"
- From what finger did the Ukrainian "iksperd" Romandyuk suck this "deep" thought?

[Jarserge]

Well, it would be said by the owners of this "expert" (who determine what he can say) the Americans. If we compare tonnage and quantity with the United States and NATO, we can say so. But Ukraine, where there are more admirals than ships and the ships are just "tears" ........ very old tears second hand exhibition

[den3080]

Quote: Jarserge

Well, it would be said by the owners of this "expert" (who determine what he can say) the Americans. If we compare tonnage and quantity with the United States and NATO, we can say so. But Ukraine, where there are more admirals than ships and the ships are just "tears" ........ very old tears second hand exhibition

Here you are right. Romaniuk, as I understand it, did not express his thought or conclusion. He, with a certain degree of conscientiousness, got acquainted with the propaganda manuals of the owners. For the sake of convincingness and for completely different purposes, this “training manual” was probably marked with the stamp “strictly confidential”, which raised Mr. Romaniuk to an incredible level of self-esteem ... well, I want to believe him that he is admitted to the top secret).
That’s the whole casket ... and there’s no reason to dust about it on VO.

[lopuhan2006]

If garbage is discarded, the Black Sea Fleet is inferior to Turkey on the condition of capturing the straits, but if in the context of the defense of its coast, then this is enough. Why is this expert worse than our experts is another question.

[Sapsan136]

In fact, the Ukrainian fleet on the Black Sea is stronger than only the Georgian and Abkhazian fleets ... Next comes the Romanian fleet, which includes two frigates decommissioned from the British fleet, without missile weapons and 2 Soviet-built frigates, without air defense systems, but with antediluvian Soviet anti-ship missiles Termite, useless against the Russian Federation, but capable of drowning the entire fleet of Ukraine in one gulp from a distance (80 km maximum) ... Next comes Bulgaria, with decommissioned frigates bought from the Netherlands (these are quite combat-ready ships with Exocet and air defense missile systems) ... A then the most interesting ... Russia and Turkey ... Comparing the Turkish fleet with the Russian fleet, many forget that the Black Sea Fleet is a Black Sea fleet, and the Turkish fleet is divided between the Black and Mediterranean Seas and Turkey will not be able to use its entire fleet somewhere, from for the smoldering military conflict with Greece in Cyprus, the need to protect their interests on the Mediterranean and Black Sea coasts of Turkey ... In addition, the Turkish fleet has a minimum number of ships built in Turkey itself, and the quality of the missiles that the Turkish fleet is armed with is seriously inferior to the Russian fleet ... With naval aviation, too, everything is sad ... Turkey can only deploy F-16s and very ancient Phantom-2s of American production, and even if against MiG-29s F-16 somehow it pulls, then against the new Su-30s - the Su-35 is no longer ...

[orionvitt]

Quote: Sapsan136

many people forget that the Black Sea Fleet is a fleet of the Black Sea, and the Turkish fleet is divided between the Black and Mediterranean Seas

Yes, many forget that the responsibility of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation includes the very same thing, the Mediterranean Sea. As the responsibility of the Northern Fleet, it includes not only the Barents Sea, but also the entire North Atlantic.

[Sapsan136]

At the expense of the Northern Fleet, I agree that it is responsible for the defense of the entire northern coast of the Russian Federation ... As for the Black Sea Fleet, its main task is to defend the Black Sea coast of Russia ... The Mediterranean Sea for Russia, which does not have its coast there, is not as critical as for Turkey ...

[Dude]

The Mediterranean Sea for Russia, which has no coast there, is not as critical as for Turkey ...

Are you seriously? Given the participation of Russia in the war in Syria and the need to protect our interests in this region, in general? We in Tartus, it’s kind of like going to build a base ... So I would not belittle the importance of the Mediterranean

[Sapsan136]

The interests of the Russian Federation in Syria, this is not defense of the coast of the Russian Federation, it is not so important, especially since there are no eternal allies and Syria can betray the Russian Federation at any time, before others betrayed Russia to it ... For Turkey, the Mediterranean is the defense of its own shores ... and not the coast of Syria ... or some other country ...

[Dude]

The interests of the Russian Federation in Syria, this is not defense of the coast of the Russian Federation, it is not so important

I understood your differentiation, proceeding from your last post, but (IMHO, of course), it seems to me that you are making a methodological mistake right after all.
To take for granted that for our state it is important only directly, the protection of our borders is to put ourselves in a losing position in advance. Nobody has yet canceled the strategic foreground. If we confine ourselves to guarding our own borders directly, one day, by no means a fine day, we can find the troops of a likely enemy a hundred kilometers from the second (in terms of size and value) city of the country (as, however, already happened).
And the Mediterranean, especially considering the geography and the current military-political alignment in Europe - the theater is crucial, - it depends on your presence there - whether you are being held for the bandits or you are holding someone (well, or at least not let you keep yourself ) In this region, everything is tied up with a blue ribbon (s) - and trade routes, and the place of projection of force, political influence; defense, protection of their own national interests, and a lot more.
I repeat: the Mediterranean is a key region, strategically important for a good half of the countries of Europe, including for us. To level its value would be, KVM, at least, is short-sighted.

[Sapsan136]

We won’t hold on to Syria if they seriously push our base there, because our fleet is not ready for an open battle in the ocean with the USA ... As for pushing the border, here I agree with you, but for this you need to take away the adjacent RF territories, such as the Donbass, and in Syria .. it's like with Cuba, the USSR ... you can open a base ... but keep it ... Well this is not a comparison of the fleets of the Black Sea states on the Black Sea, but a completely different conversation...

[RUSS]

Quote: Sapsan136

In addition, the Turkish fleet has a minimum number of ships built in Turkey itself.

It’s normal practice, during the USSR, some warships were also bought abroad, plus ships received as trophies and reporters were part of the Soviet fleet.

[Sapsan136]

Do not compare artillery ships with modern ones, they were technically simpler, and here the mass of electronics, and not Turkish, and relations with countries producing this electronics in Turkey are complex and can turn out like in Russia with Mistrals ... then these ships will quickly turn into a pile of useless trash at the pier, because without spare parts, any equipment quickly turns into trash ... and the more difficult it is, the faster it happens ...

[Ham]

on the web they said ... on the web they ridiculed ...
why pay attention to all sorts of writers and "experts" ??? do not feed the trolls!

[Denchik]

On one Peter the Great filmed
rescue bots pose a threat to the Ukrainian fleet

[Victor Wolz]

The Ukrainian expert, of course, as usual blew into a puddle, but the state of our surface fleet of real patriots really causes concern. Dancing with the modernization of old cruisers, trying to drown or burn the last aircraft carrier, all this is like cutting the dough. Unfinished construction, the absence of destroyer-class large warships in construction, not to mention cruisers and aircraft carriers, poor air defense and anti-aircraft defense on corvettes and frigates, and in the entire coastal defense system, a small number of minesweepers cannot hide this.

[seregin-s1]

It is impossible to build what we cannot build now. They barely mastered Gorshkov. But behind "Gorshkov" there are already "Kasatonov" and modernized projects. It is impossible to build quickly if even the ventilation system has to be redesigned. All factories were destroyed, specialists died. Just giving money is not enough!
Personally, I would build a monument to today's shipbuilders!

[Victor Wolz]

It’s not a matter of shipbuilders, but of effective managers who impose expensive but worthless projects on us, earning orders of magnitude more simple laborers of designers, welders, foundry workers, turners and locksmiths and explaining this to Yeltsin’s devastation, and that under Putin the institutes did not let engineers out, or plants were not restored?

[Vadim237]

From the coastal air defense everything is normal radar coverage throughout the territory, coastal missile systems continue to come into service this year will launch two satellites for target designation and tracking of marine objects. And the ships continue to build not at a rapid pace, but still - in view of sufficient complexity, since these ships and submarines created in fact from scratch.

[Victor Wolz]

All is well, but then compare the construction dates of our ships and the Chinese. We can say that the Chinese are worse, but there are more of them. But they also started almost from scratch in the 80s, we are falling, they are rising.

[Vadim237]

The quality of Chinese ships is most likely the same as that of Chinese machine tools.

[Marconi41]

Quote: Vadim237

The quality of Chinese ships is most likely the same as that of Chinese machine tools.

I doubt it. They, oddly enough, studied with us. Even now, their shipbuilding school is noticeable in their ships.

[Vadim237]

Sorry, they don’t see our school at all. Only copying and hybridization of missile and land weapons is observed. And not only the machines, but also the Ture 96 tank at the tank biathlon will tell about their quality - the chassis fell apart well.

[A hundred]

CRIMEA OUR and this is important! And the work there is being carried out day and night .. And the Black Sea Fleet is a bargain .. There is something to answer so far!
And the Kerch railway bridge is already working and try to track or ban what we send there ..

[Fitter65]

Quote: Hundred

CRIMEA OUR and this is important!

Of course, our only

Swiss court obliges Moscow to pay $ 82 million to Kiev due to Crimea

true

The Russian side argued that the court in Geneva was not the competent authority to consider this case.

but the money is likely to pay ...

[A hundred]

Quote: Fitter65

Quote: Hundred

CRIMEA OUR and this is important!

Of course, our only

Swiss court obliges Moscow to pay $ 82 million to Kiev due to Crimea

true

The Russian side argued that the court in Geneva was not the competent authority to consider this case.

but the money is likely to pay ...

Russia is a "generous soul" and many in the world are fed from us .. But not so brazenly!

We’ll come to Israel and present the bill ..

[Fitter65]

Quote: Hundred

We’ll come to Israel and present the bill ..

One day, a peering boy called the apartment in which a Jewish family lived. The boy remains to them. With whom and by what will you go to Israel? What are you going to show there? A couple of years, we sprayed with saliva. How do we put Naftogaz, how do we sue, as a result, who paid whom?

[igorlvov]

there is also Naftogaz - renewed claims against Russia for the loss of the ability to use our property in Crimea. And there is a large amount of claims - five billion excluding interest. But with interest it is already more than seven billion dollars, "Vitrenko said in an interview with the Liga.net agency, which was published on Friday.
However, he expressed the hope that the decision of the court in The Hague in this case will be at the end of 2020 or the beginning of 2021.

[Fitter65]

Quote: igorlvov

Naftogaz is still there - renewed lawsuits against Russia for the loss of the ability to use our property in the Crimea.

Moreover, our effective managers said that they agreed on a mutual rejection of claims to each other. And even if ours put forward a counterclaim, then one stump will be the loser, since the contract was again some kind of effective one ...

[Sapsan136]

In any case, Ukraine will pay the most, since it now has no allies capable of protecting its western borders, and there only Poland asks 6 regions back ... and it will receive ... Hungary, Romania ... and Russia will not have to return only Crimea ...

[demo]

Holidays, of course, had a destructive effect.
Well, another person has not departed after the feasts.
That’s it, knows what.

[Fitter65]

Many of those commenting have wondered where Ukraine finds "such idiots."

And the most interesting thing is still managing to sue money from Russia for everything and everyone. Now they have been awarded 82 MPN for Crimea. Now they have decided to file a new lawsuit for 7 billion, despite the agreement to waive all claims. Therefore, the question is more to the Russian Federation, where do we find such "smart" specialists who manage to screw up everything, even what is not possible ...

[iouris]

Well, let's say there is a fleet. And what are the consequences of this for Ukraine?

[Paul Siebert]

Romanyuk is of course an expert! The ultimate truth, damn it!
Specialist in submarines in the steppes of Independence.
It is time to somehow respond to these ghouls with sanctions.
Or really completely stop noticing.
The air will become cleaner ...

[30143]

Is that true?

"If the annexation of Crimea is Putin's idea, then Donbass is something else. In this sense, the Russian oligarch Konstantin Malofeev presented him with a fact, and behind him is a politically more significant figure, a former colonel of the special services. Back in the early 90s. they created patriotic-patriarchal organizations and integrated into church organizations in Ukraine. The same Malofeev brought church relics and Scythian gold there. And then the head of his security service Girkin-Strelkov rushed to Donbass, "Popov says.

Wrote here
https://www.obozrevatel.com/russia/eto-ne-putin-eks-podpolkovnik-kgb-rasskazal-kto-na-samom-dele-nachal-vojnu-na-donbasse/amp.htm

[vanavatny]

Well, no and no ... why argue with idiots? Thus, we descend to their level, and there they will crush experience ...

[Artunis]

An expert of the level of wretched Kovtun is not even worthy of discussion, purely for the needs of the peasant farmers. For these purposes and is charged.

[Iskander. Richard]

The Russian Federation no longer has a fleet, there are separate units.

[IL-64]

The representative of the country where the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy is a former tanker has the right to an expert opinion on the fleet of any country.
By the way, how did the matter with the toilets end, tell me? And then the media are silent, and grandmother worries, as if a new tax were not introduced to compensate

[Nyrobsky]

Hmm, in the course of Friday this Ukrainian expert failed, since he carries such selective nonsense. If on Saturday and Sunday it doesn’t make a plump, then by Monday Ukraine will become a superpower.

[alavrin]

There are enough problems, but it’s really not for the representative to really talk about the fleet of Romaniuk ...

[evgen1221]

Why can’t you do that, you won’t lie when you need to work out the grand. Interestingly, does our state pay grandees to our citizens? Otherwise, I would write a lot on foreign sites about the lack of a fleet in the states.

[LeonidL]

Do not wait! Start on bare enthusiasm!

[evgen1221]

What a pity it would be a powerful impetus to my family’s economy. )))

[VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK]

The Ukrainian expert made a throw-in, we are discussing. Now, one could not mention this. I am ashamed.

[Looking for]

Quote: Sergey1987

Well, let's compare with England and Germany.

nonsense. Russia should be compared only with the USA and China. The truth is not in our favor.

[Lord of the Sith]

Yuri Romanyuk, who in an interview with the Obozrevatel portal said that Russia "does not have a surface fleet."

Of course not, I agree with him, let it be so, let them cajole themselves with this vyser, but as it turns out that quite the opposite, there will be a break in the template from the non-brothers

[Ros 56]

The case will be presented, we will see what and how, and now there is no point in discussing ukrobabuinov and our all-feller. Hitler out like I thought, but it turned out how.

[Vasyan1971]

Many of those commenting have wondered where Ukraine finds "such idiots."

Where, where, I won’t say ...

[Russian guy]

Well, where, from where are such hohloexperds singing out?

[LeonidL]

Well, why do we need to know the secrets of Kiev specific medical institutions?

[mmaxx]

The opinion of Ukrainian experts can be used. It has long been clear that if they say that "everything is", then everything is fine with us.

[Russian guy]

Quote: private person

Well, this is with whom to compare, if with Ukraine, then we are stronger.

Are you from New Russia or from Little Russia?

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: Gritsa

To the American fleet, of course, to us, as to the moon on foot (as well as to all other fleets), but to say that there is absolutely no fleet - it just needs to be an open blunt.

"After a long hiatus, Russia is resuming the construction of warships capable of operating in the distant sea and ocean zones and projecting power into remote regions of the World Ocean."
http://agitpro.su/rossiya-nachinaet-vozrozhdenie-polnocennogo-okeanskogo-flota/?utm_source=warfiles.ru

In addition, Russia has big plans for the Arctic. Therefore, they create a fleet that will ensure security in the area. You can also mention the Russian floating nuclear power plant "Academician Lomonosov."
It’s ridiculous to read such posts:

Well, this is with whom to compare, if with Ukraine, then we are stronger.

America is inferior to the same hundreds of times in quality and number of surface ships.

[Kibl]

And what to tear, look for where and where such ideas come from and take ..... We open the political map of the world, poke at random and shit with your finger, we get into Ukraine. Well, well, if not Ukraine then Poland, Latvia or the USA ..... Nah , life is beautiful and amazing thing, how much more amazing and wonderful happens ...... It turned out that there is a Navy in Ukraine, now let's talk about the Ukrainian Aerospace Forces .....

[Julius Caesar]

Earlier Romanyuk said that in the military aspect, Ukraine surpasses at least 13 NATO member countries.
Hmm ...
Iceland
Luxembourg
Montenegro
Lithuania
Latvia
Estonia
Slovenia
Albania
Bulgaria
Czech Republic
Croatia
Slovakia

Who is the 13th?

[LeonidL]

Ukraine! Ukraine number 13! Well, are you offended? They forgot how to count normally - now only on mov and fingers.

[Shaman]

Well, there’s no longer any mother of Russia, now we’ve disappeared without a fleet. Shelter us orphans and destitute. Hey you wise quacks, you still compare someone who wrote ..n longer.

[LeonidL]

Which country - such and experts.

[tolmachiev51]

- "Earlier Romanyuk said that in the military aspect Ukraine is superior to at least 13 NATO member states" - of course !!! in their dug sea, the strongest. Actually, the problem is in those media that circulate such crap !!!

[Dmitry Medvedev_2]

What is it to laugh? With whom to compare if? If with the United States and China. then we really do not have a fleet. If with Ukraine. then they don’t have it.