Ilyushin postponed the delivery of two IL-76MD-90A to 2020

The delivery of two of the five planned for transfer in 2019 of military transport aircraft Il-76MD-90A was postponed to 2020. It is reported by RIA News with reference to a source in the military-industrial complex.

As the agency’s source explained, last year of the five planned aircraft, only three were transferred, and the transfer of two was postponed for this year. The delay is due to the untimely receipt of components from the enterprises of cooperation. What kind of components are we talking about, the source did not specify.

Military transport aviation only three of the five planes were delivered, the delivery of the remaining two was postponed to 2020

leads agency word source.

The press service of Ilyushin confirmed the delay in the transfer of two IL-76MD-90A due to incomplete testing of a number of new purchased components used in aircraft. The company assured that both "Ila" will be delivered in the first quarter of this year. In addition, "Ilyushin" this year should transfer to the Ministry of Defense six more IL-76MD-90A.

In total, the Russian military department plans to purchase, before 2030, over 100 aircraft data, as well as promising Il-78MD-90A tankers created on their basis.

The heavy military transport IL-76MD-90A is a profound modernization of the IL-76MD aircraft. The new IL-76MD-90A, unlike the drill IL-76MD, is equipped with PS-90A-76 engines with a thrust of up to 14,5 tons instead of the "standard" D-30KP2 with a thrust of up to 12 tons. The aircraft received a new wing and a “glass” cockpit: the gauges were replaced by instruments with LCD displays. At IL-76MD-90A, the carrying capacity increased to 60 tons and the range of delivery of troops and cargo - up to 5000 km.

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[svp67]

It is bad and it is necessary to punish for it with the ruble, first of all the management of the enterprises that made such breakdowns.

[neri73-r]

Strange, the shift to the right no longer surprises, it has become a habit.

[svp67]

Quote: neri73-r

Strange, the shift to the right no longer surprises, it has become a habit.

That's bad, we need to eradicate this "habit" by the most severe methods. And now these are financial methods, they must be punished with a ruble and strongly

[Guillon]

And if tomorrow is war ?! We’ll write off suppliers as well, or will we begin to put it on the wall?!?

[wisealtair]

If war is tomorrow, then at the beginning a tender for the purchase will be announced, it will be held for six months, and then a supplier will be selected, and then the supplier will announce 1000 tenders for the supply of components, each for six months))

[Mazuta]

For SPV67^
what does cruelty have to do with it ...
let it be better transferred to 1 square. 2020 and then calmly and systematically work for at least another five-year period ...
And for the reasons for the transfers, one must very politely ask about the reasons that after this the managers have a pre-infarction condition.

[kjhg]

Quote: neri73-r

Strange, the shift to the right no longer surprises, it has become a habit.

Someone will not like it, but I will remind you that 2011 IL-2020MD-39A should have been delivered according to GPV 76-90

[Saxahorse]

Quote: kjhg

Someone will not like it, but I will remind you that 2011 IL-2020MD-39A should have been delivered according to GPV 76-90

And there is. And since 2011, only the very three pieces that were handed over this year, and two more that have not been handed over before the end of the year, have been made ..

[wisealtair]

I recall that this GPV was adopted taking into account the fact that there are no sanctions and is not expected.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: svp67

It is bad and it is necessary to punish for it with the ruble, first of all the management of the enterprises that made such breakdowns.

Unfortunately, in such cases, the enterprise is punished, i.e. the whole team, not the leaders of the enterprise.

[svp67]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Unfortunately, in such cases, the enterprise is punished, i.e. the whole team, not the leaders of the enterprise.

I know and therefore this situation needs to be changed

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: svp67

I know and therefore this situation needs to be changed

Please us all, say that it depends on you !!!

[Mikhail3]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Quote: svp67

I know and therefore this situation needs to be changed

Please us all, say that it depends on you !!!

Those on whom they depend clearly visit the site. But in such topics they do not unsubscribe. Shy, probably))

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Mikhail3

Those on whom they depend clearly visit the site. But in such topics they do not unsubscribe. Shy, probably))

For some reason, I strongly doubt it. They have no time to do such nonsense as "go" to such forums and read our conjectures and guesses.

[Mikhail3]

They are definitely busy. But their employment is not quite the same as it seems to you) I assure you, they have time for surfing on sites, especially on this particular site. And they sometimes pierce) They are definitely there, do not hesitate.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Mikhail3

They are definitely here, do not hesitate.

Your words, yes, you yourself know who, in your ears.

[Mikhail3]

Do you think they don’t know something, and then they will be enlightened? Hehe ...

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Mikhail3

Do you think they don’t know something, and then they will be enlightened? Hehe ...

Yes, those who come here, of those who know, know what we know, but they don’t know how we feel about it. And I would like to hope that upon learning our attitude they will report ... there.
But, most likely, they will not report. Because there, apparently, they are not interested in this.
They quietly considering rejoice next, who is the lemon, and who and lard and they do not care what we think about this. And for other reasons, too.

[Mikhail3]

People come to this place (I think they’ve definitely spotted a couple of times), to whom they report. And how we relate to everything that happens, they are well aware themselves, and they do surveys, and draw percentage charts, and build forecast models, too. Do not doubt...)
The question is, who are WE, how does the highest and highest authority relate to us, and not we to them. And as this very government sees its future and ours. What is their concept of all this. And not what they know there, but what not ...

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Mikhail3

The question is, who are WE, how does the highest and highest authority relate to us, and not we to them. And as this very government sees its future and ours.

We see how power treats us on a simple fact - only a journalist who is allowed to face, has the right to ask a question. We are deprived of this right. Moreover, dialogue is prohibited. Only a question and a monologue of power. Even based on the answer-monologue, it is not allowed to ask another question. They say there’s no time for me to conduct dialogues with you. Have a question? Got an answer? Everyone, be healthy, goodbye. And the fact that the answer is 90% lies, try to prove when your mouth is shut. But in fact, they are afraid of dialogue, like a damn incense. Otherwise, their inability to manage effectively and much more is revealed.
Remember the Bolshevik - We are not slaves, slaves are not ... (so how to write? Dumb or not us?) But it’s dumb to write correctly.
And since we cannot speak with the authorities, it means that I answered your question - who are we? We are slaves because we are dumb.

[Mikhail3]

How much did Stalin answer the questions of the "electorate"? If you do this nonsense, there will be no work. If you answer the truth, it can be quickly recognized not only by friends (of whom there are few), but also by enemies (of whom the legion). So instead of answers, we get effectors of influence, over which we have to guess why the answer is just this and not another.
There are very few really important questions, and judging by your posts, you are not ready to ask them. But, judging by the actions of the supreme authority, she, in turn, is not ready to answer them. Which in itself is already an answer.
Such a koan turned out. Try to solve it ...

[A hundred]

Quote: svp67

It is bad and it is necessary to punish for it with the ruble, first of all the management of the enterprises that made such breakdowns.

And if this is sabotage, sabotage ..? You Sergey do not allow such a thought in the current political situation?
Something a lot of problems on our defense industry began to happen ..
And what if the leader "changed the Motherland" and has a lot of rubles and dollars?
As then ?

[IL-2]

And if this is sabotage, sabotage ..?
No, they shook the whole plant there, they started up cooperation, but I’m completely silent about R&D and R&D (
Last year, on Aviastar, an automated line assembly line for aircraft assembly was launched - and this is to say the whole plant stood on the ears for a couple of years. People were recruited and taught and this is a problem. Accessories changed and so on and so forth ....

[Uncle Izya]

And related enterprises, maybe they delayed components?

[mmaxx]

First work at the enterprise and do at least something, then punish the ruble. 20 years no orders, nothing. And now he has given money and everything should appear? Otkel? Logic like a huckster: I’m paying money!

[Mazuta]

You are absolutely right. This is the logic of "effective managers" ...

[Mikhail3]

Exactly. All that remained of the enterprise was the seal with the director, the engineers and workers who pulled everything away long ago ran away from the bedcloth, nobody paid anything, and then - why can't you turn in the day after tomorrow ?! Here zhezh money, how much you asked (twenty years ago, asked for a monthly salary)! Ladies like you will find another hundred! Yes, we will order abroad! Yes, we ... So that you are twisted seven times through the beam.

[Alexander Petrov1]

How many billion rubles do not give, all is not enough.

[Amateur]

At one time, TAPOiCh produced up to 50 IL-76 per year. And now 5 pcs. can not do.

[Muvka]

Yeah, you still compare how many tanks were released per year during the Second World War and now ...

[Amateur]

tanks were released annually during WWII

And what, during the Second World War, produced the T-90 and Armata?
And the IL-76 is almost the same.

[wisealtair]

Not the same, but stuffed to the brim with western electronics. Everywhere: from the cab to the engine.
Since 2014, access to it has been closed. Electronic filling - for replacement.
And in order to replace at least ONE component, you need to change the changes in the project. And to make this change, you need to send all the documentation back to the design bureau, redesign everything, coordinate with a bunch of bosses on different floors, buildings and hell knows where.
And this despite the fact that many components had to be changed.
Okay, replaced, found an analogue from a country more loyal to sanctions. Well, or they built a factory and let it out themselves - which is even more fun) Let's say that cheers, we succeeded. And the procurement department tells you: yeah, that's all, you haven’t been in the plan for this year already, wait for the next one. There will be a tender, there is a purchase.
And when these components came to your warehouse, they won’t give them to you as well (!), If you don’t get into the plan, which the accounting department made there. Wait another 4 months, they will say - then so right away, og.
Sanctions slowed the implementation of projects by 50%, but there is another second 50% - this is a moronic Sovdep bureaucracy within the enterprises themselves.

[Amateur]

it is a moronic Sovdep bureaucracy within the enterprises themselves.

I know what to answer, but I can’t. Banned.

[Mikhail3]

Write - "chewed mole". Partly helps)

[Mazuta]

"... Yeah, you still compare how many tanks were produced per year during the Second World War and now ..."
There is nothing to minus ...

[Rushnairfors]

But I don’t see anything terrible here: the health factor in the shelves is quite high, they will not form new units (for excl. Ulyanovsk), if this year they can deliver 2 + 6 it will be a very good result, now I don’t need to build 50 Ilov, BTA Russia many times less than the BTA of the USSR. Let the old people finish their work

[bessmertniy]

In principle, it is not critical. Although, of course, the planned system cracked.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: bessmertniy

In principle, it is not critical. Although, of course, the planned system cracked.

This is not a planned system that cracked, but careless performers.

[Kamikaze19]

There is no need for 50pcs. Year. Well, they will make 2 pieces in 100 years. And then 8 years of orders will not be and you can close.

[Amateur]

Well, they will make 2 pieces in 100 years. And then 8 years of orders will not be and you can close.

At least 39 countries are the IL-76 operators. ~ 100 units were sold for export. So there would be something to sell, and buyers would be found.

[cherkas.oe]

[quote = Dilettante] At one time, TAPOiCH produced up to 50 Il-76s a year. And now 5 pcs. We can’t do it. [/ So, after all, "managers" were divorced on both sides, that the customers, the performers - are immeasurable, and all are defective. Some, they cannot order correctly and scrupulously ask the manufacturer what forces and means, he is going to solve the set production financial problem and then continuously monitor the progress of work in stages, while reasonably financing these works. And the second, "managers" are from the manufacturer, not knowing much about production, but simply having the appropriate connections in the government and "other" structures that control the financing of state orders receive funding for this order according to the cutting scheme convenient for them and for the "interested" parties, is blown away in the end the enterprise and the people WORKING there in spite of all the difficulties laid down by the "managers" on both sides.

[Mikhail3]

My relative, a vocational training specialist, orders fences. FENCES. From time to time, she cries to me how stupid the workers of VET manufacturing plants are. The examples she cites make her writhe in laughter. Apparently, the mind in the country, after many years of persecution and persecution, finally died, and some of its carriers, accidentally surviving, will soon disappear altogether.

[Grigory_78]

So he collected only. And the parts were made all over the USSR. Try now in Ukraine or Belarus to produce parts. You’ll be left without airplanes.

[Amateur]

So he collected only. And the parts were made all over the USSR.

In addition to the engines, everything was done in Tashkent. Therefore, almost 50 thousand people worked.

[mmaxx]

All documentation remained there. The plane was reengineered from the finished ones again. Do you know what it is? It’s like when Comrade Stalin Tu-4 did.

[Amateur]

The plane was reengineered from the finished ones again. Do you know what it is? It’s like when Comrade Stalin Tu-4 did.

Did you know that almost a third of the employees of the TAPOiCH, along with the documentation, equipment and other bells and whistles, moved to Ulyanovsk? And the first copy of the entire PDD is ALWAYS stored in the KB archive. And at the manufacturing plant "in the original" there is only technological documentation developed by its design bureau for serial production.

[mmaxx]

All equipment is easier to immediately throw out. It is made from solid sources. To bind her you must die.
I don’t know what's with the drawings, but the plane was disassembled, scanned and digitized from scans. I will not argue that all. But they are engaged in such crap only from complete hopelessness. Or illiteracy.

[mmaxx]

By the way, the technological documentation is developed by the plant, not the design bureau. Despite the fact that the other plant has different equipment, the sense of the old TD is also not much. As far as I know, the Tashkent plant did not give anything away. Artful Uzbek brothers clamped. Either they wanted a lot, or America did not order.

[Sergst]

Quote: neri73-r

Strange, the shift to the right no longer surprises, it has become a habit.

What "right" do you mean - Roman or other? Sometimes typos are fun.

[Sergst]

Interestingly, three "minuses" for such a mild indication of a typo suggests that someone thinks that "right" and "left" should be written separately, or about something else?

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Sergst

Interestingly, three "minuses" for such a mild indication of a typo suggests that someone thinks that "right" and "left" should be written separately, or about something else?

When people have no reason. they "fall" into the "spelling" ...
This is the law of the Internet for the past 40 years ...
So you deservedly got ...

[Sergst]

Quote: SovAr238A

Quote: Sergst

Interestingly, three "minuses" for such a mild indication of a typo suggests that someone thinks that "right" and "left" should be written separately, or about something else?

When people have no reason. they "fall" into the "spelling" ...
This is the law of the Internet for the past 40 years ...
So you deservedly got ...

The arguments apply in a dispute. I did not argue with anyone and did not blame anyone for anything. But, I understood your idea - the degree of perception of posts is clearly going through the roof, any thought is perceived as the opposite opinion.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Sergst

The arguments apply in a dispute. I did not argue with anyone and did not blame anyone for anything. But, I understood your idea - the degree of perception of posts is clearly going through the roof, any thought is perceived as the opposite opinion.

Well, do not forget that the site has become a bunch of strange people over the past few years. Gathering in teams / flocks / orders / platoons and other heresies. as they run on a team and put a bunch of minuses.
think that it is "very important" for them - just a way of life .. :)

[Lone gunman]

The amount is amusing ... two more, two less, anyway ~ 0.

[knn54]

Staff shortage, outdated equipment, reconstruction. "Narrow" production capabilities. And the "scourge" of the Soviet economy is INTERDEPARTMENTAL "graters".

[spectr]

By the way, about outdated equipment. Everything is very fun there. I talked about 15-20 years ago (maybe now there is no problem) with one comrade who is involved in repairing ships for the Navy. So he cited such an example as an example. A ship comes to them for repair and one of the works is repainting the ship. To do this, you must first clean the case of old paint and other rubbish on the case. For this, he employs, for example, 10 people. And under these people, the Ministry of Defense allocated money. The company can buy a sandblasting machine, which will reduce the cost of work and, moreover, improve quality. But from an economic point of view, the company’s profit is falling.

[Mikhail3]

That is, the company generates profits by taking workers' wages? However, the phenomenon is widespread.

[seregin-s1]

And I am optimistic and believe in 6, this year! I don’t believe in 8!))

[dirk182]

The trouble of the present is in too much flood of unfiltered information. As the media became attached to IL, they are not far behind. I notice that news with a negative connotation is being hastily and massively circulated.

[75 Sergey]

ABOUT! And already in 2020, we probably will not have time to make the supply in 2019, we must postpone it.
How timely.
And on December 31, 2019 there was still hope ...

[DPN]

Interestingly, the Union also suffered? something is doubtful.

[_Sergei_]

The plan was closed in the Union, and then this plan was completed next year for another three months.

[Alexey from Perm]

shifts to the right have become an unpleasant tradition

[anfreezer]

The contract was revised downward to 25 - 26 units due to an increase in cost per unit ...

[boris]

Correct a little Dilettante. In the best of times, TAPOiCH handed over 60
aircraft per year. During this period, approximately 55 worked at the association
thousands of people. The association included the head plant (in Tashkent) and
branches in Ferghana and Andijan. Another amendment - accessories
dili from dozens (or even hundreds) of enterprises from all over the Union. But that,
what relates to the aircraft itself was done directly on
catfish TAPOiCh. Up to the rubber gaskets. About the need
quantity. IL-76 aircraft were a very popular export commodity.
There is no doubt that today there would be many who wish.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: svp67

Quote: neri73-r

Strange, the shift to the right no longer surprises, it has become a habit.

That's bad, we need to eradicate this "habit" by the most severe methods. And now these are financial methods, they must be punished with a ruble and strongly

In the USSR, these Beria’s methods, when they imprisoned or even declared enemies of the people for non-fulfillment, gave rise to protective measures - postscripts, concealment of opportunities, blaming the blame on subordinates and those not involved. Learning to plan should be based on specific conditions, and not following orders from above. For the sake of high authorities. Voluntarism will not lead to anything good. And stop PR and crack about success. Work. That's all. This brought production and planning to such a state when NO ONE could make out anything. For example, steel was smelted 5 times more than the United States, but Comrade Kosygin PERSONALLY distributed limits to ministries, not trusting either the State Planning Commission or the Gossnab. Reach complete idiocy. Gorbachev once said from the TV screen that during the years of Perestroika, metallurgists made a commitment to cook steel to order. So all the time BEFORE this metallurgists cooked what happens. They burned funds, energy, materials, received orders, Heroes of labor, and did what was not needed for years in warehouses.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: knn54

Staff shortage, outdated equipment, reconstruction. "Narrow" production capabilities. And the "scourge" of the Soviet economy is INTERDEPARTMENTAL "graters".

Add to this the dead production, not only outside of Russia, but also inside.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Gillaton

And if tomorrow is war ?! We’ll write off suppliers as well, or will we begin to put it on the wall?!?

If war, then any production will be stopped. Especially and first of all such a complex product as an airplane.

[spectr]

And if you delve into it properly, then in the end all the enterprises (main and allied companies) will come to the same thing - staff shortage. There are not enough specialists who could carry out their duties efficiently.

[wisealtair]

Quote: Amateur

Well, they will make 2 pieces in 100 years. And then 8 years of orders will not be and you can close.

At least 39 countries are the IL-76 operators. ~ 100 units were sold for export. So there would be something to sell, and buyers would be found.

In these 39 countries, there is no one to serve them. Now is not the time of the USSR, now they’re used to that if there is an airplane, that is, a service center is nearby, the supply of spare parts is regular.
Has anyone thought that the supply of these 100 Ilov was at least minimally cost-effective? I suspect not. They sold below the cost of loyalty, and for the service they sent a detachment of Soviet specialists and sent them a set of airplanes - which is insanely expensive and also not cost-effective. Now, Kagbe, not the USSR, now capitalism.

[Mikhail3]

Failed to export electronic components from the USA again? Ugh ...

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Mikhail3

How much did Stalin answer to the questions of the "electorate"?

A lot of. You are simply not paying attention. All these "gatherings" are all-Union congresses (not to be confused with the congresses of the AUCPb), discussions in the press, Stalin's responses to letters (published), etc., etc.