The upcoming anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz has heated Poland to the limit

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The reconsideration of the results of the Second World War started by Europe was to the liking of the Polish conservatives, who have now settled in power in Warsaw. The opportunity has opened to portray Poland as the main victim of this world massacre, and at the same time, in the form of compensations, cut down easy money from Germany or Russia.

History vs Poles


But this is bad luck. The role of the main victim of the war has long been taken. Holocaust memory seems to have washed out stories tens of millions of other dead people. In vain attempts to remind them of the world, even the mighty of Russia fail a little. As for Poland, the story there is quite muddy. Still, the number of Poles killed in the war is much smaller than the Polish Jews who died in the Holocaust.



Before the war, they accounted for a tenth of the country's population (over three million people), and in large cities (for example, Warsaw, Lodz and Krakow) - more than a third of the inhabitants. After the war, about a hundred thousand Jews remained in Poland, and now ten thousand at all. In the new century, Poland became an almost mono-ethnic country.

Poles have long dreamed about this. In 1936, they even drew up the so-called “Madagascar Plan” for the resettlement of all Polish Jews to the distant island of the Indian Ocean. To implement this criminal idea, the Polish treasury did not have enough funds.

During the war years, many Poles showed their cave anti-Semitism to the world. They killed Jews (and even their fellow tribesmen who stood up to defend them), handed over the unfortunate to the Nazis for reprisal, and then appropriated their property. Take, for example, the story of the uprising in the Sobibor concentration camp. It is known that the Jews who escaped from the camp were given to the Nazis by local Poles, for which they received prizes.

This is remembered. Both about the situation as a whole and about its individual characters. At the pre-New Year’s collegium of the Russian Ministry of Defense, Vladimir Putin, for example, spoke about the fascist manners of the Polish diplomat Józef Lipsky and called him an “anti-Semitic pig.”

In response, the Polish politicum soared in “righteous anger,” and Polish President Andrzej Duda refused to travel to Israel for the World Holocaust Forum. Since the president of Russia Vladimir Putin is also invited to the forum, moreover, as one of the main speakers. The situation has heated Poland to the limit.

What was afraid of Andrzej Duda


This is the main thing. Nobody is going to give the floor to the forum itself, and what Putin will say and what other documents will be presented to the world community, Warsaw can only guess. In a conversation on Onet.pl on Friday, former Polish President Lech Walesa explained why Andrzej Dudu was "put on the bench."

Walesa recalled that Warsaw did not invite Vladimir Putin to celebrate the 75th anniversary of the liberation of the Auschwitz concentration camp, which will be held in Poland in late January. But the world, fortunately, has not yet forgotten that it was the Red Army that liberated this concentration camp from fascist horror. Even Walesa called our liberation of Auschwitz "a historical truth that no one will change."

Therefore, the demarche of Warsaw among many politicians abroad (especially in Israel) caused, to say the least, bewilderment. “It was to be expected that Duda would not receive a voting right in Israel. In this situation, he cannot fly there, ”said Lech Walesa in conclusion of the conversation.

Walesa kept silent about something else. The hysteria of Polish politics is caused not only by Putin's resonant statement. The attitude to Poland is changing in the world. Last February, for example, a senior Israeli diplomat, Israel Katz, quoted the country's former prime minister Yitzhak Shamir on local television as saying, "The Poles absorb anti-Semitism with their mother’s milk."

A great diplomatic scandal erupted, which was only managed with the help of US Vice President Mike Pence. The scandal subsided, but the sediment remained. After all, all this fuss arose against the backdrop of the discussion of Law No. 2018 adopted in 447 in the United States (“Justice for survivors without compensation”).

It refers to the return of property to the victims of the Holocaust. The law allows “if it is not possible to establish the identity of the heirs of the victims, transfer the property for public use to Jewish organizations involved in Holocaust research for further use for educational purposes.”

Poland is heading under this law. After the war, the property of the deceased Polish Jews passed mainly into state ownership. According to experts, its cost now amounts to about 300 billion US dollars.

Now they’ve come for this money. Although the process has not yet emerged from the stage of rhetoric and discussion, Putin has given it a new impetus. At a forum in Israel, the topic will certainly be dispersed further. That's why Andrzej Duda chose to stay in Warsaw. He does not want to sit at the same table with Putin. Duda is simply afraid of the upcoming conversation on the forum.
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  1. +26
    11 January 2020 11: 30
    Well, what can I say ... if Restitution under International Laws is aimed at Poland, Poles - Kirdyk! Israel from Living Poland will not Tear down! Yes We have to answer Panam, a blow to the wallet of $ 300 billion - more than a fair punishment for hyenas, Nazi accomplices! It certainly will not return to life, but at least some historical justice will be restored!
    1. +31
      11 January 2020 11: 54
      in general, the Russians died more than the Jews, and the merits of the Russians before humanity are much higher than among the Jews, but they constantly remind us of the Holocaust, always by ear. In addition, many do not recognize this Holocaust, so the cheese boron around the Jews is just noise.
      1. +8
        11 January 2020 11: 59
        You took such an offense? Russian - spelled with two letters with ... so for reference.
        1. The comment was deleted.
          1. +6
            11 January 2020 19: 37
            This Rus is written with one "C", and Russian with two "C." You sir, even a certificate of completion
            You can lower the 8th grade of education into untaz. From what you have already written, it follows that you did not study, but attended school for 8 years. Education is "fake" with you, sir. soldier
        2. +14
          11 January 2020 12: 41
          Quote: ANIMAL
          You took such an offense? Russian - spelled with two letters with ... so for reference.

          But Bar2 is still right, because we do not know our story well
          Vladimir Dahl argued that writing “Russian” with two “s” was wrong, and he wrote with one (Russian, Russian, Russian land ...).
          In the annals there is one “c” - Russian, Russian.
          Where did the second “C” come from?
          In his dictionary, Dahl explains that the old people wrote “Russian” with one “s” - Pravda Ruska; only Poland called us Russia, Russians, Russians, in Latin spelling, and we adopted it, transferred it to our Cyrillic and write Russian.
          1. +5
            11 January 2020 12: 48
            I missed something and we were transported to the days of Dahl? Maybe we’ll plunge even deeper into the centuries laughing ? Like this, I forgot .... but - I am ...
            Here we are talking about Modern Russian language and spelling rules! Yes
            1. +8
              11 January 2020 12: 56
              Quote: ANIMAL
              Here we are talking about Modern Russian language and spelling rules!

              You need to remember your story, your ancestors, your graveyards and the graves of great-grandfathers. If we forget this, then we will cease to be considered the Russian people. And there is nothing shameful to consider yourself, as our ancestors considered RUSSIAN!
              1. +3
                11 January 2020 13: 05
                There is no need to agitate ... and talk about the graves of their ancestors. Unlike you - I live on the land of the Ancestors and not only push slogans.
                Well, about who you want to consider yourself ... there is a separate conversation! laughing
                you can consider yourself even a Papuan, even an Indian ... you can associate yourself with animals and birds, a chameleon or woodpecker ... you are our Russian No.
                I AM RUSSIAN !

                Quote: tihonmarine

                You need to remember your story, your ancestors, your graveyards and the graves of great-grandfathers. If we forget this, then we will cease to be considered the Russian people. And there is nothing shameful to consider yourself, as our ancestors considered RUSSIAN!
                1. +15
                  11 January 2020 13: 46
                  Quote: ANIMAL
                  I AM RUSSIAN !

                  I'm not against.
                  1. +2
                    11 January 2020 14: 31
                    NATO is always against lol
                    1. +2
                      11 January 2020 15: 15
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      NATO is always against

                      NATO is not a nation.
                      1. +6
                        11 January 2020 16: 20
                        This is orientation.
                        Political, of course hi
                      2. -1
                        11 January 2020 16: 59
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        This is orientation.

                        Something reminiscent of the 20-30s.
                      3. +1
                        11 January 2020 20: 59
                        NATO I think this is a pretty bad bluff. And put on the wrong horse.
                        Yes, that’s how the authorities are guided by reason or reason, rather than historical events, and seek the enemy instead of working
                      4. +5
                        11 January 2020 21: 59
                        Yes, we are talking about great national patriotism and a common future - not about confrontation and geopolitics, pan Andrzej hi
                      5. 0
                        11 January 2020 22: 15
                        Sorry, there may have been a translation error! Must be

                        NATO I think this is a pretty bad bluff. And put on the wrong horse.
                        Yes it is as authorities are not guided by reason or reason, but by historical events and seek the enemy instead of working
                      6. +5
                        11 January 2020 22: 18
                        I see, but my message was personal. It's not about geopolitical situation.
                        In Russian, we are about our own, personal, not geopolitical.
                      7. +2
                        11 January 2020 22: 32
                        I am Polish and love my country. but I don’t think with obvious hatred of anyone else. I also love Russia for its culture and history - I probably know the history of Russia better than Russian history of Poland - and it is from Russian books that I passionately read - I read fluently - laugh that I think in Russian :-) - to Unfortunately, on the contrary, everything is worse and I use a translator. I am a Slav, and I am closer to the places and language of some of my ancestors than to Germany or the USA. We have different points of view, different views, but it’s important not to offend one another and speak
                      8. +6
                        11 January 2020 22: 59
                        I agree. I support. It is always better to be friends than to quarrel.
                      9. 0
                        12 January 2020 00: 17
                        Rather debilitation, am finking laughing
            2. +9
              11 January 2020 12: 58
              Actually, here we are talking about
              The upcoming anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz has heated Poland to the limit
            3. -4
              11 January 2020 16: 23
              Quote: ANIMAL
              Here we are talking about Modern Russian language and spelling rules!


              what spelling rules do you mention when doubling with in the word Russian?
              It is necessary that the word has a root in Rus, but the root of Rus does not exist. The most ancient chronicles, for example, Radzivilovskaya talk about Rouskaya Land and Rousse. Show in what chronicles they speak about Rus?
          2. 0
            11 January 2020 16: 22
            Quote: tihonmarine
            But Bar2 is still right, because we do not know our story well

            Read our correspondence with Bar in the comments to the article
            https://topwar.ru/166465-jestonija-vnov-otkazalas-ratificirovat-dogovor-o-gosgranice-s-rossiej.html#comment-id-10003708
            Maybe you will not be so categorical.
          3. -1
            11 January 2020 16: 29
            Quote: tihonmarine
            But Bar2 is still right, because we do not know our story well


            in general, if you look at the story with your own eyes, and not the history textbook edited by AN, it turns out that this story becomes completely different. And this version of the story is still firmly upheld by adherents of the OI-official history. And these people, as you understand, have neither to the Russians, nor to the Slavs any relation-kinship.
        3. +1
          11 January 2020 16: 19
          Quote: ANIMAL
          Russian - spelled with two letters with

          This is a logic task. Here you need to think.
          "Russian" is written with two "s".
          And "Russian" - with one.
          "German" is spelled with one "c".
          And the "German" - with two.
          There is nothing to argue about.
        4. 0
          12 January 2020 22: 43
          Quote: ANIMAL
          You took such an offense? Russian - spelled with two letters with ... so for reference.

          Ouch. I'm tired of reminding, but in Ukraine, my Russian is written with one с Russian ... They generally avoid the word RUSSIAN ..--- .. Russians, citizens of Russia, etc. , it is obvious that the word Russian is scary for ukrov ... Probably trying to erase the historical memory .. Yes, there were only Ukrainians, there were no Russians, there was no Russia, there were no Rusyns .. UKRAINE SOAP !!! So they change the historical truth .. But in general in the Old Slavonic chronicles they wrote Russcue .. Probably so right. Derivative of Russ . But this is a different story and a topic of conversation ...
      2. +5
        11 January 2020 13: 44
        As one "Russian" liberal said - Russians, Belarusians, Ukrainians did not obey the NAZI "order", so they were killed. And Jews were killed because of their nationality. Holocaust, of course, for the latter case.
        Now about the "Holocaust" -3-volume post-war report of the International Red Cross showed that Jews died much less than Slavs. And no more than 1,5 million, and the UN Human Rights Committee recommended canceling the prosecution for Holocaust denial. After that, the United States and Israel withdrew from this committee.
        That does not "diminish" the role of the Poles in solving the Jewish question.
        And a little off topic, studies of Polish, Ukrainian and some of the Israeli publicists showed that the OUN and AK officers killed the most ... ORTHODOX.
    2. +26
      11 January 2020 12: 14
      Quote: ANIMAL
      Well, what can I say ... if Restitution under International Laws is aimed at Poland, Poles - Kirdyk! Israel from Living Poland will not Tear down! Yes We have to answer Panam, a blow to the wallet of $ 300 billion - more than a fair punishment for hyenas, Nazi accomplices! It certainly will not return to life, but at least some historical justice will be restored!

      Eternal memory to all the KA soldiers who extinguished the crematorium of Auschwitz. My grandfather personally knew p / pk Anshel Feitelevich Shapiro, the commander of the assault detachment of the 106th rifle corps. Major Anatoly Shapiro commanded the first assault on the camp.
      1. +8
        11 January 2020 13: 44
        what kind of assault on the camp? can be more detailed. Or do you have your own alternative story?
        An unexpected picture opened before the advancing Soviet troops on January 26. According to the available maps ahead, they were expected to move further along the forest, but suddenly the forest ended, and the soldiers saw a fortified bastion surrounded by barbed wire and high brick walls. The fact that a concentration camp may be located in this area was known only to the top army leaders, so what they saw caused some confusion in the advanced units. The movement was suspended for a thorough reconnaissance. The soldiers were warned of all kinds of tricks of the Germans, in particular, dressing their soldiers in civilian clothes in order to weaken the attention of the Red Army. Somewhat later, intelligence reported that Soviet soldiers were not observing another fascist fortified area, but a large concentration camp, around which there were continuous minefields. Sappers were sent forward.
        Separate units, bypassing the camp, "cleansed" the territory from the hidden troops of the Nazis. The Soviet military was strictly forbidden to use artillery to suppress enemy resistance. Moreover, they were strictly advised not to even engage in skirmishes with the enemy, so that inmates would not be hurt during them accidentally.
        Active work began on the clearance of the territory adjacent to the camp. The complexity of this task was also beyond. Everything around was mined so tightly that the sappers only managed to break through the safe corridor to the main gate of Auschwitz by the middle of the day on January 27th. At around 3 o’clock in the afternoon, the gates over which the Germans hung out the mocking slogan “Labor makes free” were opened, and Soviet soldiers were able to get inside the camp.
        Since the camp guards had already escaped, no one interfered with the prisoners to approach their liberators. All the prisoners were dressed in prison robes, hanging in bags from exhausted bodies. In total, about 7500 living people were discovered in Auschwitz, whom the Germans were preparing to destroy as incapable of working and moving to the central regions of Germany.

        1. +2
          11 January 2020 13: 50
          Quote: Rich
          what kind of assault on the camp? can be more detailed. Or do you have your own alternative story?

          Ordinary.
          1. +11
            11 January 2020 14: 18
            Major Anatoly Shapiro commanded the first assault on the camp

            Nor were there any assaults. Stop grinding nonsense and write all nonsense. Here it will not work, here is a military site.
            Anatoly Shapiro really participated in the liberation of Auschwitz, like many other soldiers of the 1st Ukrainian Front
            Major Anatoly Shapiro, commander of the battalion of the 106th Rifle Corps, received information that a workshop for the manufacture of pencils was found a few kilometers from its location, in which prisoners can be held. One of the units that really found an operating enterprise immediately moved there. The picture that opened before the fighters was striking in its unreality: inside the brick two-story building in a long semi-lit room in absolute silence along the long tables sat utterly emaciated people. They were more reminiscent of leather-covered living skeletons engaged in stuffing pencil blanks with powdered graphite. The workers who suddenly appeared in the workshop did not pay the slightest attention: the brains of their depleted organisms could be fixed on only one task: making pencils. As it later turned out, each employee was obliged to make a thousand products per shift, otherwise, for the failure to comply with the production rate, he was sent to the gas chamber. For quite some time the Red Army men had to convince the prisoners that the long-awaited freedom had come to them, and they could stop stuffing pencils with graphite. An idea of ​​the condition of the prisoners gives such a fact. When the fighters tried to feed the unfortunate by simply giving them a weak solution of meat broth, the intestines of many, unable to withstand such a load, led to death in terrible agony.
            1. +2
              11 January 2020 15: 06
              Quote: Rich

              Nor were there any assaults. Stop grinding nonsense and write all nonsense. Here it will not work, here is a military site.


              For the first time, the Russian Ministry of Defense published unique documents from its Central Archives on the liberation of the Auschwitz concentration camp prisoners by the Red Army. On January 27, 1945, moving through the territory captured by Nazi troops in Poland, the soldiers of the 1st Ukrainian Front broke into the territory of the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp and freed the prisoners. The archive specialists prepared 15 documents, unique in their content, some of which were previously in secret storage and were available only to a narrow circle of historians. All these memoranda, reports and orders were studied by the correspondent of Vesti FM Sergey Gololobov.
              Yellowed pages of reports and battle logs from time to time. Documents written directly by those who released prisoners of the death camp. First there was an assault on the city of Auschwitz, which began on January 26th. Fight for crossing the Vistula River, mopping up residential yards. And then ordinary soldiers unexpectedly discover a huge object surrounded by many rows of barbed wire, the historian Zalessky Konstantin analyzes the documents posted on the website of the Ministry of Defense.
              “The fact is that Auschwitz is a rather large complex, it includes three actually independent camps. That is, the liberation of the Auschwitz territory is a very difficult matter and it takes more than one hour. Soviet troops ran into return machine-gun fire, and the losses amounted to 250 to 300-plus people. "




              1. +4
                11 January 2020 15: 33
                What, the lie didn't work? Now we begin to dodge - "they say they didn't understand, I wrote about the storming of the city and the crossing of the Vistula." No dear, you won't be able to change clothes on the go, you wrote about the assault on the camp:
                Aaron Zawi: Major Anatoly Shapiro commanded the first assault on the camp

                PS I did not begin to minus all your nonsense only for this phrase:
                Aaron Zawi: Eternal memory to all the warriors of the spacecraft extinguished the Auschwitz crematorium
                1. -2
                  11 January 2020 16: 42
                  Quote: Rich
                  What, the lie didn't work? Now we begin to dodge - "they say they didn't understand, I wrote about the storming of the city and the crossing of the Vistula." No dear, you won't be able to change clothes on the go, you wrote about the assault on the camp:
                  Aaron Zawi: Major Anatoly Shapiro commanded the first assault on the camp

                  PS I did not begin to minus all your nonsense only for this phrase:
                  Aaron Zawi: Eternal memory to all the warriors of the spacecraft extinguished the Auschwitz crematorium

                  It is written in black and white about the assault on the camp. I don’t know how else to explain.
            2. -1
              12 January 2020 05: 26
              For the liberation of the camp, the battalion commander Shapiro was awarded the star of the Hero of Ukraine ...
    3. 0
      11 January 2020 14: 24
      Quote: ANIMAL
      at least some historical justice will be restored!

      Article
      what Putin will say and what other documents will be presented to the world community, Warsaw can only guess.
      I would change the last word, replacing one letter - "shit"
    4. +2
      11 January 2020 19: 47
      Quote: ANIMAL
      if Restitution under International Laws is directed to Poland, to the Poles - Kirdyk!

      There will be no such law - the United States itself passed a law on all the values ​​that came to them after World War II from Germany, and according to which after 1946 they don’t return any material values ​​to anyone, not even the victims of the Holocaust. So all the dreams of Jews to profit at the expense of the Poles are doomed to failure - no matter how the world community tries, this will not happen, and the Americans themselves are not interested in returning the values ​​that the Germans seized from the Jews and that ended up in the United States. But it’s always not bothering to bend the Poles - let them finally answer for the shit that they poured on us about the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.
  2. -2
    11 January 2020 11: 40
    Poles have long dreamed about this. In 1936, they even drew up the so-called “Madagascar Plan” for the resettlement of all Polish Jews to the distant island of the Indian Ocean.

    The Poles did not have such plans.
    The Madagascar Plan is the plan of the German fascists. Borrowed from the British.
    Plan “Madagascar” (Madagaskarplan) - developed in the Third Reich (in continuation of the British plan of Uganda), a plan to deport Jews from Europe to the island of Madagascar.

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Мадагаскарский_план
    Just the Poles as eternal European sixes, they were ready to support any anti-Semitic plans. And this plan was very happy and praised in every way.
    1. -2
      11 January 2020 13: 03
      Quote: maidan.izrailovich
      Poles have long dreamed about this. In 1936, they even drew up the so-called “Madagascar Plan” for the resettlement of all Polish Jews to the distant island of the Indian Ocean.

      The Poles did not have such plans.
      The Madagascar Plan is the plan of the German fascists. Borrowed from the British.
      Plan “Madagascar” (Madagaskarplan) - developed in the Third Reich (in continuation of the British plan of Uganda), a plan to deport Jews from Europe to the island of Madagascar.

      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Мадагаскарский_план
      Just the Poles as eternal European sixes, they were ready to support any anti-Semitic plans. And this plan was very happy and praised in every way.

      The article has a lot of inaccuracies, but in general it is correct. Of course the Poles didn’t have such a plan and Putin lied. What a pity there wasn’t. So a couple of million Jews would save their lives.
    2. +8
      11 January 2020 13: 26
      In fact, these plans for the resettlement of Jews are the plans of the Zionists, which had a huge impact on the politics of both England and the USA and Germany. And these plans were crowned with the creation of Israel. However, most Jews were not eager to go there, therefore, they were created for them in what was then Europe. unbearable living conditions. Particularly went to Soviet Jews.
      1. +5
        11 January 2020 14: 32
        Quote: Bessarab
        Especially went to Soviet Jews.
        . Especially when half of the Soviet leadership was Jewish.
        1. +3
          11 January 2020 15: 53
          that is why. Jews lived very well in the USSR at that time. And therefore the kagalny system of managing Jews in the USSR was greatly weakened. Many Jews assimilated and moved away from the kagal with the rabbis. It was necessary to drive back.
      2. +3
        11 January 2020 14: 35
        Quote: Bessarab
        In fact, these plans for the resettlement of Jews are the plans of the Zionists, which had a huge impact on the politics of both England and the USA and Germany. And these plans were crowned with the creation of Israel. However, most Jews were not eager to go there, therefore, they were created for them in what was then Europe. unbearable living conditions. Particularly went to Soviet Jews.

        The influence of the Zionists (more precisely, the sponsor of the Zionists, whom was one of the Rothschilds) was only on Great Britain and only during the First World War. The United States with a percentage rate of Jews entering prestigious universities up to the 40s, and Germany, by and large.
        1. +4
          11 January 2020 15: 50
          Dear, Zionist leaders of Poland publicly condemning Putin’s statement about Polish after Germany directly stated that the Poles and Germans collaborated with the Zionists in terms of resettlement of Jews. And you deny their recognition. What for?
          1. +6
            11 January 2020 16: 03
            The leaders of the Zionists of Poland? laughing Are you talking about an orthodox rabbi who probably does not recognize the state of Israel as built before the arrival of the Messiah, without rebuilding the Temple and not living according to the laws of Halacha? )) Not a single chief rabbi will not trample a single country in the world against the official position of the authorities on a sensitive issue. Because quickly fly off the post.
            1. +2
              11 January 2020 16: 22
              I'm talking about the head of the Jewish community in Poland, and about the chief rabbi too. This is their joint statement (or rather, a confession) In terms of "flying off the post" you made me laugh ... Even in the USA "they don't fly off", but in Poland they "fly off" ...
              1. +7
                11 January 2020 16: 29
                In the United States there is no single religious leader of the six millionth Jewish community laughing
                There are leaders:
                1) Reformists - each branch of reformist Judaism has its own leader
                2) Conservative - similar
                3) Orthodox - here, in general, frenzied division - Ashkenazy and Sephardic
                The former are divided into different Hasidic courts and organizations.
                4) Community leaders of large cities, etc.
                Who is there to throw off and what does this mean for the rest of the American Jews? )))
                1. 0
                  11 January 2020 17: 50
                  And who to throw off in Poland?
                  1. +6
                    11 January 2020 17: 57
                    There are few Jews - one rabbi.
          2. 0
            12 January 2020 11: 31
            .... that the Poles and Germans in terms of the resettlement of Jews collaborated with the Zionists.

            You are talking blatant nonsense. And there are those who plus this nonsense.
            A fool is one who says stupidity. And in the double fool is the one who applauds this stupidity.
            1. 0
              12 January 2020 11: 43
              It's not me talking nonsense, but you. And not you, but a liar and a slanderer. For I quoted the statement on this fact by the leaders of the current Zionists of Poland, who refute Putin’s statement about Polish after in Germany. Yours yourself admitted this. The hat caught fire on the thief.
  3. -1
    11 January 2020 11: 40
    In the new century, Poland became an almost mono-ethnic country.

    This is, to say the least, not so.
    As such, Poles \ Shlyakhtichy in modern Poland, according to various estimates, from 25 to 40%. The rest of the population is an explosive mixture of different nationalities, which was formed as a result of 2 world wars.
    And yet, inside Poland itself there is absolutely no consensus on the WWII and Russia, as well as on the current foreign policy of the state.
    Something like this.
  4. +15
    11 January 2020 11: 40
    Abydno, you see ... They were going along with Hitler to divide the Russian lands and slaves of the slaves, but they spat at a time before the campaign, for which their companion half to death swept aside.
    1. +7
      11 January 2020 13: 23
      Quote: sergey32
      Abydno, you see ... They were going along with Hitler to divide the Russian lands and slaves of the slaves, but they spat at a time before the campaign, for which their companion half to death swept aside.

      That's right - the first six whip.
  5. +12
    11 January 2020 11: 51
    The opportunity has opened to portray Poland as the main victim of this world massacre, and at the same time, in the form of compensations, cut down easy money from Germany or Russia.
    Poland has already received compensation from Russia from J.V. Stalin in the form of West Prussia, which currently constitutes a third of Poland's territory. Nobody in the world received such compensation except for Poland and after WWI and after WWII. As soon as Poland opens its mouth against Russia, the word "Shut up !!!" should follow.
    1. +4
      11 January 2020 14: 09
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Poland has already received compensation from Russia from I.V. Stalin in the form of West Prussia

      Actually, Prussia is East. There is also, just Prussia. But, about the "western", the first time I hear ... stop
      1. +2
        11 January 2020 14: 15
        Quote: LiSiCyn
        But, about the "western", the first time I hear ...
        Today, the main part of the territory of the former West Prussia (the capital Danzig) is included in the Pomeranian and Kuyavian-Pomeranian voivodeships of Poland. After WWII, one third of East Prussia with the capital Königsberg withdrew to the Soviet Union, and the rest was donated to Poland by I.V. Stalin.
        1. +4
          11 January 2020 14: 26
          Re-checked, I agree with you. Yes
          I always thought that it was just the western part of East Prussia.
          1. +2
            11 January 2020 14: 40
            Quote: LiSiCyn
            I always thought that it was just the western part of East Prussia.

            Well, I had to live in Kaliningrad (Konigsberg) and work in Gdansk and Szczecin, so I met thoroughly.
      2. +5
        11 January 2020 14: 39
        Quote: LiSiCyn
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Poland has already received compensation from Russia from I.V. Stalin in the form of West Prussia

        Actually, Prussia is East. There is also, just Prussia. But, about the "western", the first time I hear ... stop

        This is the person so Szczecin designated
  6. +4
    11 January 2020 11: 55
    According to the production of intestinal gas, the psheks have long bypassed roguli.
    1. -1
      11 January 2020 12: 43
      Quote: 7,62x54
      According to the production of intestinal gas, the psheks have long bypassed roguli.

      And by the smell of both Raguli and ferrets.
  7. +22
    11 January 2020 12: 01
    How do I feel about the murder of Jews in Poland? With condemnation. Still, it's a pity that I am not a Jew. Whatever you say - but Russians, Belarusians. Ukrainians in the occupied regions of the USSR were ruined in no way less than Jews, not to mention the communists. Those who did not have time to hide were destroyed cleanly and it was not necessary to blame that the communists all ran away - those who did not go to fight, and there are many of them, stayed and fought against fascism .. And why don't we arrange conferences on the "Kommihost"? The answer is clear, because the liberal part of the public is happy with it. Gozman and others - they are shy, and that would have been voiced by fellow Hitler. As for Edro, they speak under the slogan of unity and solidarity, so they are embarrassed to mention the Communist host - as if not to offend the anti-communists. And in vain - double standards. gentlemen!
    1. +2
      11 January 2020 12: 52
      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      But it’s a pity that I don’t belong to Jews. Say what you like - but Russian, Belarusians. Ukrainians in the occupied regions of the USSR were no less ruined than Jews, not to mention the Communists.

      My friends (Jews by father) lived in Tallinn after the collapse of the USSR. During the war, the father killed the parents of his father. And the father began to receive from Germany 2000 deutsche marks of compensation, then they were received by the whole family in Germany, they live in the district of Hamburg. Parents receive allowance, a municipal apartment, and money for gas. Children and their families completed free courses and got a job.
      1. +1
        11 January 2020 20: 00
        Quote: tihonmarine
        And the father began to receive from Germany 2000 deutsche marks of compensation, then they were received by the whole family in Germany, they live in the district of Hamburg.

        Yes, that's exactly what happened after the collapse of the USSR and all the Jews who had documents that their parents or they themselves suffered from the Germans, instead of the promised land, ended up in Germany and began to live very well even by the standards of the Germans. Moreover, some managed to get a pension in Russia, where they still come to visit relatives and withdraw money. I myself knew in the nineties the director of the department store in Saltykovka Mosk. region, which cranked up such a feint, and moreover, participated in the privatization of this store.
        But I haven’t heard such a story about a single Russian ....
        1. +1
          11 January 2020 20: 49
          Quote: ccsr
          Moreover, some managed to get a pension in Russia, where they still come to visit relatives and withdraw money.

          They also get from us, only easier, everything goes to the card. But they come to visit.
    2. -19
      11 January 2020 13: 24
      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      How do I feel about the murder of Jews in Poland? With condemnation. Still, it's a pity that I am not a Jew. Whatever you say - but Russians, Belarusians. Ukrainians in the occupied regions of the USSR were ruined in no way less than Jews, not to mention the communists. Those who did not have time to hide were destroyed cleanly and it was not necessary to blame that the communists all ran away - those who did not go to fight, and there are many of them, stayed and fought against fascism .. And why don't we arrange conferences on the "Kommihost"? The answer is clear, because the liberal part of the public is happy with it. Gozman and others - they are shy, and that would have been voiced by fellow Hitler. As for Edro, they speak under the slogan of unity and solidarity, so they are embarrassed to mention the Communist host - as if not to offend the anti-communists. And in vain - double standards. gentlemen!

      Nonsense you write. A person could become a communist or quit the party. It was his choice. It was impossible to stop being a Jew. The Nazis even destroyed Jews who were baptized in childhood. So they sent the famous Austrian artist into the gas chambers. To be a Jew or not to be a Jew was not a person's choice.
      Neither Russian nor Belarusians, well, the Nazis did not destroy the Ukrainians as a nation. Jews and gypsies were not killed for their behavior or beliefs, but only because they were born that way.

      Russians and Ukrainians (Belarusians to a lesser extent) in the occupied regions of the USSR did not live well. He himself communicated with such. They worked at a shipbuilding factory at the Germans and did not know any troubles. Another told how they lived under the Germans in the Kuban. Nobody touched his boy. Smolensk men handed over Jewish boys to Germans for a bundle of shag. Read the Nobel laureate Belorussian Svetlana Alekseevich. She tells a lot of interesting things.

      Why do they remember the Holocaust, but do not remember the millions of dead Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians? So who forbids you? Belarusians for example do not forget and Khatyn is sacred to them. But if the Jews had not insisted, there would have been no obelisks and memory in Babi Yar as well. Do you often recall the Zmievsky beam? Do you know what it is?

      PS
      Let's remember how the "communist" Dzhugashvili returned to Hitler 500 German communists who were seeking asylum in the USSR and remember what happened to them.
      1. +10
        11 January 2020 14: 08
        It is a pity that you were not traded for a bundle of shag, would not write nasty things about Russian peasants now.
      2. +9
        11 January 2020 14: 33
        Oleg! You write nonsense! Firstly, a Jew could hide, and as much as he could conceal his Jewishness, just as a communist concealed his partisanship. Secondly, the Gestapo in the occupied regions organized the search for Jews and Communists equally. traitors from the local population betrayed the Communists on a par with the Jews. Thirdly, I personally do not believe now, although I used to believe the insinuations about Stalin. Therefore, I write this way: the communist Stalin sent the "communists" to Germany. German communists, Ulbricht fought against fascism during the war. It's funny that you contradict yourself. In your attempts to once again pour over Stalin's pomme, you admitted that the Nazis destroyed them on a par with the Jews. As for the monuments. I’m not against monuments to ruined Jews. I am in favor of erecting monuments to the ruined communists equally.
        1. -5
          11 January 2020 16: 24
          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          Oleg! Nonsense you write! Firstly, a Jew could hide and how he could hide his Jewishness as a communist hid his partisanship

          All the same, you write nonsense. Here's how to hide it:
          https://topwar.ru/23166-zamihovskiy-grigoriy-efimovich-matros-chernomorskogo-flota.html
          Further, in the Soviet documents they wrote nationality, well, there were always those who turned out neighbors. Those who hid the neighbors can be counted on the fingers.

          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          Secondly, the Gestapo in the occupied regions organized the search for Jews and Communists equally. traitors from the local population betrayed the Communists absolutely on a par with the Jews.

          The communist does not say in his passport and birth certificate that he is a communist and when he joined the party, the foreskin was not circumcised. Or circumcised?

          The communists who crossed over to the Germans were not persecuted by them. The Brigadier Commissar George N. Zhilenkov is an example of this. This did not happen to the Jews. The conversation was short.

          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          Thirdly, I personally do not believe now, although I used to believe the insinuations about Stalin. Therefore, I write this way: the communist Stalin sent the "communists" to Germany. German communists, Ulbricht fought against fascism during the war. It's funny that you contradict yourself. In your attempts to once again pour over Stalin's pomme, you admitted that the Nazis destroyed them on a par with the Jews.

          Well, of course. How could Dzhugashvili sacrifice at least one communist?
          https://www.proza.ru/2016/12/27/1787

          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          As for the monuments. That I am not against the monuments to the ruined Jews. I am in favor of equally erecting monuments to the ruined communists.

          The flag is in your hands. Send your 5th point from the couch and put monuments to the communists. Who's stopping you or are you waiting for others to put monuments to your party members and not at your expense?
          1. +7
            11 January 2020 16: 56
            Oleg! And you broke away from Russia. Already they began to forget grammar. Do not write, but write - the imperative mood from the word write - 1 conjugation, and I was mistaken looking at you. Now, in essence, your remarks. Do you want only Jews to erect monuments to ruined Jews and at the expense of Jews? Double standards, sir. Further, how many times one of the most important rules of logic can be repeated. "Comparaison n'est pas raison" (fr). As far as circumcision is concerned, this is not an argument. Muslims also do circumcision - and the Crimean Tatars in some of their parts served Hitler regularly - and all circumcised as one - that's bad luck. You claim that the Jews were covered by a few. I don’t know, I didn’t count - a few - or thousands are unknown to me. But I know that the grandfather of my wife's best friend was hanged by the Germans in Minsk because he, being the head physician of the hospital, issued the documents of the dead to Jews. As for the attitude of the population towards the communists, it was also different. For example, my late mother, during the blockade of Leningrad, served in the suburbs not under the Germans in Rono. In the spring - they, then young and non-partisan, were sent to mobilize the population to collect young shoots of pines - they boiled and watered the wounded. This is not the point. Some people said, "If the Germans come, we will hang you activists." Once again "Comparaison n'est pas raison" (fr). Well, I'm tired of arguing with you and it is thankless to build a theory on the basis of individual examples - this is called pompousness. Sincerely.
            1. -5
              11 January 2020 18: 01
              Quote: mikh-korsakov
              Do you want only Jews to erect monuments to ruined Jews and at the expense of Jews? Double standards, sir. Further, how many times one of the most important rules of logic can be repeated. "Comparaison n'est pas raison

              If the Jews wait for a monument to be erected, there will be no monument. Why do you erect a monument to your party members?

              Quote: mikh-korsakov
              Further, how many times one of the most important rules of logic can be repeated. "Comparaison n'est pas raison" (fr). As far as circumcision is concerned, this is not an argument. Muslims also do circumcision - and the Crimean Tatars in some of their parts served Hitler regularly - and all circumcised as one - that's bad luck.

              https://topwar.ru/23166-zamihovskiy-grigoriy-efimovich-matros-chernomorskogo-flota.html

              Quote: mikh-korsakov
              You claim that there were only a few Jews. I don’t know, I didn’t count - units - or I don’t know thousands. But I know that the Germans hanged the grandfather of my wife’s best friend in Minsk because he, as the head doctor of the hospital, issued the deceased to the Jews.

              I know. In honor of every righteous, we have planted a tree. And there is only an avenue, not a forest.
              https://www.yadvashem.org/ru/righteous.html

              Quote: mikh-korsakov
              As for the attitude of the population towards the communists, it was also different. For example, my late mother during the siege of Leningrad served in the suburbs not under the Germans in Rono. In the spring - they, then young and non-partisan, were sent to mobilize the population to collect young shoots of pines - they boiled and watered the wounded. This is not the point. Some people said, "If the Germans come, we will hang you activists." Once again "Comparaison n'est pas raison" (fr). Well, I'm tired of arguing with you and it is thankless to build a theory on the basis of individual examples - this is called pompousness. Sincerely.

              I posted the links for you. Read. When you will erect a monument to the Communists, do not forget Brigadier Commissar Georgy Nikolayevich Zhilenkov who served with Hitler.
              1. +2
                11 January 2020 19: 50
                Oleg! Yes, I forgot to write. Personally, I was not a member of the party - not a single one. There was simply no time. I just don’t like double standards, because it’s illogical.
              2. 0
                11 January 2020 21: 04
                Quote: professor
                I know. In honor of every righteous, we have planted a tree.

                I support you here, you do not forget in our own way, we do in our way. And what are we arguing about here and breaking copies. And your people suffered and our people suffered and the entire Soviet people suffered. What we are talking about, we have only one pain and sorrow, and we must remember this together and not forget, and not go to the site who has suffered the most. Yes, the death of one person is grief, but here there are millions !!! I always remember the monument to S.O. Makarov in Kronstadt and below the inscription "Remember the war". So we must remember this.
                1. +2
                  11 January 2020 21: 11
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  Quote: professor
                  I know. In honor of every righteous, we have planted a tree.

                  I support you here, you do not forget in our own way, we do in our way. And what are we arguing about here and breaking copies. And your people suffered and our people suffered and the entire Soviet people suffered. What we are talking about, we have only one pain and sorrow, and we must remember this together and not forget, and not go to the site who has suffered the most. Yes, the death of one person is grief, but here there are millions !!! I always remember the monument to S.O. Makarov in Kronstadt and below the inscription "Remember the war". So we must remember this.

                  I absolutely agree with you. I just can’t pass by when they distort the story and lie.
                  1. 0
                    11 January 2020 21: 15
                    Quote: professor
                    I just can’t pass by when they distort the story and lie.

                    Many things are distorted, but the truth is one.
                    1. +1
                      11 January 2020 21: 17
                      Quote: tihonmarine
                      Quote: professor
                      I just can’t pass by when they distort the story and lie.

                      Many things are distorted, but the truth is one.

                      ... and I won’t let her distort anyone.
                      1. +2
                        12 January 2020 06: 07
                        Especially when the truth goes against "your truth", when especially the eye hurts, when it does not fit into your vision, and when otherwise, then you, oh yes, agree and the fighter of all fighters
                      2. -1
                        12 January 2020 09: 01
                        The truth is not "ours" or "yours." Paravda she is alone.
                      3. +1
                        12 January 2020 10: 22
                        You are a clear example of just my statement. True, which, for example, is one hundred percent and few will argue with her that if a person put it mildly bad, you can pick up a lot of synonyms, then it absolutely does not depend on what nationality he is, for me you are not a good person, and I do not care that you Jew by nationality
                      4. -2
                        12 January 2020 11: 40
                        Quote: Andrey VOV
                        You are a clear example of just my statement. True, which, for example, is one hundred percent and few will argue with her that if a person put it mildly bad, you can pick up a lot of synonyms, then it absolutely does not depend on what nationality he is, for me you are not a good person, and I do not care that you Jew by nationality

                        And what is the connection between your personal attitude to my humble person and the historical truth discussed here?
          2. +3
            11 January 2020 19: 56
            I read the posts of Mr. "Professor" - I feel sick. Everything would be disgusting to find. Some feces are ejected. Is there really not even a small feeling of gratitude to the same communist USSR, how many Jews survived.
      3. +6
        11 January 2020 15: 07
        Quote: professor
        Read the Nobel laureate Belorussian Svetlana Alekseevich.

        If I had not lived in the Smolensk region, and had not communicated with people who had passed and survived the war, then I would have believed this "Nobel lady". And now I don’t believe you Professor either.
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          1. +4
            11 January 2020 16: 43
            Quote: professor
            But did you expect them to tell how they gathered Jews from the surrounding forests and handed them over to the Germans?

            And you specify how many Jews were in the Smolensk region, I mean in the countryside. But like my mother and her brother, they fought in Bati's partisan brigade, the Pertisans picked up all the Jews who fled from Belarus. And in the surrounding village, I did not hear that the Germans were Jewish Jews. But how many villages and people the Nazis burned, they all remembered, and still remember, although those villages are no longer there. One village I remember Basino very well, there is a tombstone of Mother, Sister, wife and three Daughters, whom the Germans shot, because their son, brother, husband and father were the commander of the Red Army. (He is also buried there). You shout that they killed you, that there was a Holocaust, and our people that they gave tea with sugar, but even about this you Jews are silent ??? And let the Germans pray to God that we in 1945 did not do this with the families of their officers and SSman.
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      4. +6
        11 January 2020 16: 01
        You write nonsense, dear. More than 150000 Jews served in the Wehrmacht alone and regularly destroyed Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians. And Hitler highly praised their services to the fascist Reich. For example, the Jew Milch was awarded the rank of Field Marshal. How can that be? According to your version, it was supposed to destroy them all, but they won, like Russians, "soaked"
        1. -4
          11 January 2020 16: 30
          Quote: Bessarab
          You write nonsense, dear. More than 150000 Jews served in the Wehrmacht alone and regularly destroyed Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians. And Hitler highly praised their services to the fascist Reich. For example, the Jew Milch was awarded the rank of Field Marshal. How can that be? According to your version, it was supposed to destroy them all, but they won, like Russians, "soaked"

          Do not tell tales. They didn’t serve and Mileh was a purebred German. notarized fact.

          Can you quote on Hitler, where he praised the Jews "services to the fascist Reich highly," Mr. sovramshi?
          1. +3
            11 January 2020 17: 07
            Quote: professor
            They didn’t serve and Mileh was a purebred German. notarized fact

            The fact that Milch was not a Jew decided by volitional decision Goering. Yes, and Hitler's passage to the end is not clarified.
            1. -4
              11 January 2020 17: 34
              Quote: Sergey39
              Quote: professor
              They didn’t serve and Mileh was a purebred German. notarized fact

              The fact that Milch was not a Jew decided by volitional decision Goering. Yes, and Hitler's passage to the end is not clarified.

              No. This was confirmed by a notary. In the metric, he recorded the biological father, and not the previous husband of his mother.
              1. +5
                11 January 2020 17: 58
                at Hitler's command, the notary and certified. Mr. Brekhun Sokolov you should read the American book "Hitler's Jewish soldiers" and not make educated people laugh.
                1. -5
                  11 January 2020 18: 06
                  Quote: Bessarab
                  at Hitler's command, the notary and certified. Mr. Brekhun Sokolov you should read the American book "Hitler's Jewish soldiers" and not make educated people laugh.

                  It is strange that Natsik referred to her and financed her land unions and regional partnerships of the HIAG organization (German: Hilfsgemeinschaft auf Gegenseitigkeit der Angehörigen der ehemaligen Waffen-SS (HIAG) Mutual Assistance Society of Former SS Members), as well as from the "When all brothers are silent" war burial fund, founded in 1993 (German: "Kriegsgräberstiftung Wenn alle Brüder schweigen").
                  1. +1
                    11 January 2020 21: 41
                    It is useful for the ignorant to learn that the grandmother of Rigga (the author of this book) was Jewish, and he himself even served in the Israeli army after the war. Well, this is just the case when a person does not dishonor his people with nonsense, unlike some "professors2
                    1. -1
                      11 January 2020 22: 35
                      Quote: Bessarab
                      It is useful for the ignorant to learn that the grandmother of Rigga (the author of this book) was Jewish, and he himself even served in the Israeli army after the war. Well, this is just the case when a person does not dishonor his people with nonsense, unlike some "professors2

                      His grandmother was Hitler's sister, and he himself did not just serve in Tsakhal, but rose to the rank of brigadier general of the military rabinate in Tzrifin. And that is why it was funded by the land unions and regional partnerships of the HIAG (German: Hilfsgemeinschaft auf Gegenseitigkeit der Angehörigen der ehemaligen Waffen-SS (HIAG) Society for the Mutual Aid of Former Members of the Waffen SS), as well as from the 1993 "War Graves Fund" When all brothers are silent "" (German "Kriegsgräberstiftung Wenn alle Brüder schweigen"). It's still logical. wassat
                      1. +1
                        11 January 2020 23: 09
                        in the auxiliary troops, the tzahal (where Rigg served) did not assign generals. As regards Rigg’s accusations of financing from these sources, he did not refute or confirm this fact. However, even if this is so, then it does not change anything. The book contains over 400 interviews with Jewish soldiers of Hitler, specific evidence and documents that cannot be refuted. You can only lie and stupidly make fun of his relationship with Hitler.
                      2. -4
                        12 January 2020 08: 59
                        What kind of auxiliary troops? He darted alone. Natsik rose to the rank of general there. There are no interviews with Hitler’s Jewish soldiers in the book. There is no evidence or document. You at least take a book in your hands before discussing it. Chesslovo.
                        His grandmother was Hitler's sister wassat
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        2. 0
          11 January 2020 16: 51
          Quote: Bessarab
          More than 150000 Jews served in the Wehrmacht alone and regularly destroyed Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians.

          Then do not forget to add how many of them were in the Soviet prisoner of war camps.
          1. +2
            11 January 2020 17: 55
            More than 15000 Wehrmacht-Jewish prisoners of war alone were in prisoner-of-war camps in the USSR. the truth is the Poles, soldiers of the Wehrmacht, there also sat several times more.
            1. -1
              11 January 2020 18: 07
              Quote: Bessarab
              More than 15000 Wehrmacht-Jewish prisoners of war alone were in prisoner-of-war camps in the USSR. the truth is the Poles, soldiers of the Wehrmacht, there also sat several times more.

              Can I refer to your fantasies?
              1. +5
                11 January 2020 19: 04
                It is not in my plans to educate the ignorant. Google the title of the book "Hitler's Jewish Soldiers" and master this serious work of the American historian. You will find everything there.
                1. -4
                  11 January 2020 21: 09
                  Quote: Bessarab
                  It is not in my plans to educate the ignorant. Google the title of the book "Hitler's Jewish Soldiers" and master this serious work of the American historian. You will find everything there.

                  I was blown away, lord of liars.
                  1. +1
                    11 January 2020 23: 12
                    What do you mean "blown away"? You "professor" even found everything about Rigg and his book on Wikipedia. So I stimulated your brain to a small but effort. Develop further.
                    1. -1
                      12 January 2020 09: 00
                      Quote: Bessarab
                      What do you mean "blown away"? You "professor" even found everything about Rigg and his book on Wikipedia. So I stimulated your brain to a small but effort. Develop further.

                      Sending me to a search engine, then it’s blown away, Mr. liar.
                      1. 0
                        12 January 2020 10: 37
                        This is a concern for your development .. And then he called himself a professor, you have no basic knowledge of history. Well, the spitting image of "prokhvesor" Yanukovych. Thanks to me, he climbed in the internet and found it by himself. Be proud now you can proudly call yourself "Academician! Academy of History Falsification."
                      2. -2
                        12 January 2020 11: 41
                        Quote: Bessarab
                        This is a concern for your development .. And then he called himself a professor, you have no basic knowledge of history. Well, the spitting image of "prokhvesor" Yanukovych. Thanks to me, he climbed in the internet and found it by himself. Be proud now you can proudly call yourself "Academician! Academy of History Falsification."

                        The drain is counted.
                      3. 0
                        12 January 2020 13: 45
                        Your discharge is yes. It’s counted. Because of a purely Jewish habit, in the absence of knowledge and arguments, you switch to an emotional lie and an outright denial of well-known facts. Studied with Goebbels?
                      4. -1
                        12 January 2020 13: 58
                        Quote: Bessarab
                        Your discharge is yes. It’s counted. Because of a purely Jewish habit, in the absence of knowledge and arguments, you switch to an emotional lie and an outright denial of well-known facts. Studied with Goebbels?

                        You merged by going to the individual and not providing a single link. Which, in principle, was expected. laughing
            2. +1
              11 January 2020 20: 18
              Quote: Bessarab
              More than 15000 Wehrmacht-Jewish prisoners of war alone were in prisoner-of-war camps in the USSR.

              I also know such numbers, thanks. But some people want a reference. Yes on the Internet in bulk. You can ask in the Archive of Moscow Region.
  8. +3
    11 January 2020 12: 18
    Everyone should get what they deserve ... but in our world this happens very rarely. Usually those who were appointed by the rest of the "uninvolved" and those who could not otbrykatsya suffer.
  9. +7
    11 January 2020 12: 26
    It’s strange. It seems to be Auschwitz, it seems to be Poles, but an article about Jews. The author briefly quoted Valens that Auschwitz was liberated by Soviet troops and again about the Jews.
    So let them write about the Jews in Israel. And we here in Russia will not forget how our country, our people suffered.
    1. -9
      11 January 2020 13: 27
      Quote: Gardamir
      So let them write about the Jews in Israel. And we here in Russia will not forget how our country, our people suffered.

      And there were no millions of Jews among "your people"? Should the state write about them as citizens of which they were not?
      1. +12
        11 January 2020 13: 39
        There were Jews in our people, in this case, the entire Soviet people suffered from the Nazis. But the Holocaust theme is giving, so the Jews are special sufferers.
        1. -9
          11 January 2020 13: 49
          Quote: Gardamir
          There were Jews in our people, in this case, the entire Soviet people suffered from the Nazis. But the Holocaust theme is giving, so the Jews are special sufferers.

          And there is. Jews are special sufferers. I don’t know which city you are from, but if it was occupied, then Jews were separated from others (local residents ALWAYS actively helped in this) and sent Jews out of town for execution. Such fate did not wait for other townspeople.
          1. +1
            11 January 2020 20: 28
            Quote: professor
            Such fate did not wait for other townspeople.

            In the USSR there was no calculation of the dead civilian population on a national basis, but in the second half of 1945 and at the beginning of 1946, a commission worked under the instructions of the Politburo in the USSR under the leadership of the chairman of the State Planning Commission of Voznesensky, which in the report named the figure - 15.4 million dead. So I don’t know who and what fate was waiting, but the fate of these 15,4 million Soviet people, Soviet including Jews, was one - death. Or do you disagree with this?
        2. +1
          11 January 2020 20: 20
          Quote: Gardamir
          There were Jews in our people, in this case, the entire Soviet people suffered from the Nazis.

          But here for some reason they forget about it.
    2. +4
      11 January 2020 16: 53
      Quote: Gardamir
      It seems to be Auschwitz, it seems to be Poles, but an article about Jews.

      You are right, as if only people of one nation were sitting in Auschwitz, while others were simply in a holiday home.
  10. +3
    11 January 2020 12: 33
    However, the Jews competently entered with restitution through the Master. Now zhekam and squeak dumbly - the master himself ordered to give honestly stolen. laughing
    1. +4
      11 January 2020 12: 45
      Duc Poles also wanted to rip off the grandmother from Germany and Russia, the first they say they were not paid separation, and the second for the damage from the "communist regime" so right now they say.
      1. +1
        11 January 2020 13: 30
        Quote: Dur_mod
        Duc Poles also wanted to rip off the grandmother from Germany and Russia, the first they say they were not paid separation, and the second for the damage from the "communist regime" so right now they say.

        Considering that they will receive only a cookie from Germany and Russia, or, as VVP said, “the ears of a dead donkey,” the Poles will try to gnaw out money for restitution from dill, for everything they have wrested in the Lviv region. Badly poor, but somewhere a figure was announced that the Poles had already prepared about 100 thousand claims for lost property.
    2. 0
      11 January 2020 16: 54
      Quote: Rostislav
      Now zhekam and squeak dumbly - the master himself ordered to give honestly stolen.

      If they have ripped off the Germans, they will also be ripped off from the "psheks".
  11. +5
    11 January 2020 13: 21
    There is the concept of REMEMBER, and there is the concept of REMEMBER. In Poland, WWII is remembered, and only for national-political reasons, and only with a "benefit" for the current government. Probably, the fact that in Russia we remember our grandfathers and great-grandfathers of the WINNERS, in what it unites us with the Jews, except that the Jews remember not the winners, but the victims. They say that the winners are not judged - the modern world has refuted this seemingly axiom, but the victims cannot be "judged". Probably, the Holocaust still exists in memory in the form that it was in the years of WWII, but the opinion of whom won in WWII, the masses are beginning to forget, especially those who fought on the side of Nazi Germany ...
    1. +2
      11 January 2020 16: 57
      Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
      Probably, the fact that we in Russia remember our grandfathers and great-grandfathers of the WINNERS, in some ways, unites us with the Jews, except that the Jews remember not the victors, but the victims.

      They remember their own, ours are not. Yes, and smear us with shit.
  12. -5
    11 January 2020 16: 03
    Two questions.

    Poland as a state was one of the greatest victims of World War II. As a result, she lost more than 1/6 of the territory and 1/6 of her citizens. Yes, the Jews who died during the war were mostly Polish citizens!

    During the war years, many Poles showed their cave anti-Semitism to the world. They killed Jews (and even their fellow tribesmen who stood up to protect them), handed over the unfortunate to the Nazis for reprisal, and then appropriated their property.


    What is written here is true, but this applies to all, without exception, including Russians, Belarusians, Lithuanians, Ukrainians, Hungarians, etc.

    Unlike Western Europe in Poland, they threatened death for hiding Jews.

    After the war in Israel, a law was passed according to which if a Jew (for example, serving in the Jüdischer Ordnungsdienst) acted to the detriment of other Jews in order to save his life - he simply spent it on death, he was released from liability. I wonder why this applies only to Jews?

    Not all Poles were anti-Semites, not all Jews surrendered. This is evidenced by how many Poles Yadvashim gave the title "Righteous Among the Nations" - more than any other people.

    And the fact that the issue of World War II and anti-Semitism is now being undertaken politically is another disaster.

    Instead of moving forward, we plunge into a story that, in truth, will not bring fame to anyone. Neither Poland nor Russia. Well, at most, it will bring the most to Israel.
    1. -2
      11 January 2020 16: 28
      It was Ukraine that returned part of its territories, not Poland lost. And there are still our lands occupied by the Poles Chelm, Przemysl and others. Or do you think Ukraine forgot about the operation "Vistula" when Ukrainians were massively taken from these lands to the north-west of Poland?
      1. +1
        11 January 2020 16: 53
        In 1945, there was (thank God!) Ukraine - there were criminals from the UPA OUN, Bandera, Melnikitsy, Bulbists, Hitler's allies from the 14th division of the Galicene SS.
        I spent all my childhood (school holidays) in the countryside in western Poland, where half were "Belarusians" and half were "Ukrainians" - the latter partly from Bieszczady, partly from, for example, Zhuravno. such of them were Ukrainians as you thinker.
        Fortunately, people of your kind stayed at home, because all the Ukrainians I know now - and there are a lot of them in Poland now - and this is not due to the action of the Vistula, that they are pretty good cool people

        Now you have lost the Crimea, Donetsk, Lugansk. What's next Kharkov, Odessa? In this I support the Russians.
        1. 0
          11 January 2020 18: 17
          That I don't care who you support. Poland has illegally occupied part of the historical Ukrainian lands! And this bill will be presented to you sooner or later. Your attempt to draw Ukraine into NATO and look like our "advocate" in Europe will lead nowhere. Billed and time is ticking, just know this ...
          1. 0
            11 January 2020 18: 23
            I get the impression that for Ukraine, a watch and a meter beat much faster, and soon it will become a small skeletal state. Let's see who will be right
          2. 0
            11 January 2020 18: 25
            And in fact, for now, it turns out that Ukraine as part of the USSR has returned part of its Western Ukrainian lands that Poland previously occupied, but try to declare us aggressors all over the world?
            I was recently in Poznan, a beautiful city, good people, but you have obvious problems with historical memory.
            1. 0
              11 January 2020 18: 38
              In Ukraine, he with historical memory has obvious problems with knowledge and science. I am becoming more and more convinced of the idea of ​​Zhirinovsky and the historical return of the Polish city of Lviv to Poland.
              And the more enterprising Ukrainians, in any case, they are already in Poland or further in the West
              1. 0
                11 January 2020 18: 57
                Oops, the attempt to incite the Russians is not counted. What is nothing to justify? Can we recall Bogdan Khmelnitsky and the Cossacks, who raised the Polish gentry to the forks? Or three sections of Poland in the 19th century? Can you sparkle with knowledge and science? Remember the Pole, the Ukrainians are Orthodox and to the west, unlike you Poles, we will never be guided.
                Ukrainians, like Poles, can work wherever they want.
              2. 0
                12 January 2020 11: 55
                Quote: Andrzej K
                I am more and more convinced of the idea of ​​Zhirinovsky and the historical return of the Polish city of Lviv to Poland.

                Zhirinovsky is ordinary yap and only illiterate people can believe him - Lviv, if he returns, he will be part of Russia, but not Poland at all. So roll your lip - do not see you Lviv in any situation.
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            2. +2
              11 January 2020 18: 08
              The USSR was never an ally of Hitler. And this is a fact. And here the Poles were, together with an ally, Hitler, conquered the Teshin region of Czechoslovakia. The non-aggression pact with Hitler is a treaty of neutrality. Moreover, the USSR was the last European state to sign such a pact. Poland, England. France signed such pacts back in 35-36 years. And the goal of all these pacts was the same - to incite Hitler against the USSR and, together with the fascists, to destroy and dismember a huge country. Stalin defeated Western countries and as a result the USSR received almost 2 years to prepare for a war with Germany. Churchill even called the Poles a European hyena. It did not work for them to stay in Hitler's allies in the war with the USSR.
              1. -6
                11 January 2020 18: 31
                The non-aggression pact with Hitler is an agreement on the separation of spheres of influence - more precisely, the division of this part of Europe. Bessarabia also got you as part of this alliance. And this is known not only in Poland, but throughout the world.

                https://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/aug/06/devils-alliance-hitlers-pact-stalin-1938-1941-roger-moorhouse-review
                1. +4
                  11 January 2020 18: 59
                  Why fantasize? The treaty is called "Non-Aggression Pact", and you compose something of your own. Yes, the USSR knew perfectly well why Hitler needed this pact. He needed guarantees of the USSR's non-intervention in its upcoming war with Poland, since the USSR tried to protect Czechoslovakia from Hitler, but Hitler's ally Poland, which was the first to start hostilities in Europe, seized the Teshin region of Czechoslovakia by force of arms. And the USSR gave such guarantees. True, for these guarantees, he demanded that German troops should not be sent to Western Ukraine and Belarus and Moldova, which Poland captured from the USSR in the war of 1920. Hitler's ally in the attack on Poland on September 1,09.1039, 70000 was Slovakia. More than 5 soldiers of her army simultaneously with the Germans attacked Poland (this is the "answer" for Teshin). Note that the USSR army did not take part in this attack. Otherwise, the commander-in-chief of the Polish army would not have fled to Brest on September 14, from where he portrayed the leadership of the Polish troops. But when he learned that the Polish government was already in full force in Romania, and the USSR did not intend to defend the Poles, he immediately rushed to catch up with them. And on September 15th, this whole gang of hyenas was safely interned in Romania. Poland as a state has disappeared. After that, on September XNUMX, the USSR sent its troops to the parts of Ukraine, Belarus and Moldova that belonged to it earlier. Our people had to be protected. This is what the archival documents say.
                  1. -3
                    11 January 2020 21: 08
                    The treaty is called the "Non-Aggression Pact" - Please don't forget the secret protocol

                    1. 0
                      11 January 2020 23: 31
                      On duty, I had to see a large number of government documents. And especially interstate agreements. The form, representation of the negotiators, their titles and powers are all very clearly stated in these documents, and also recorded in the relevant Protocols. This piece of paper is a miserable fake of incompetent small a swindler, where some handwritten notes were made in different handwritings. By the way, for the first time, conversations about this protocol went back in 1949, or rather about its German version, but despite the fact that the archives were neither the original nor the Protocol was provided to the Americans. Either the real Protocol had a text that did not suit the United States.
                      1. -2
                        11 January 2020 23: 41
                        Do not you understand ?! These documents were officially declassified on September 9, 2019 by the Russian Ministry of Defense:


                        As a supplement - a secret protocol to the contract, where, as you write all the standards, the authors of the packaging, etc., were saved
                      2. +1
                        12 January 2020 11: 15
                        Well, just turn on your brains. If this is a "secret protocol" to a certain unclassified agreement, then it must contain the secrecy stamp, storage period and instructions for admission in the upper left corner. And in the upper right corner it should be indicated to which basic agreement this agreement is attached. These data are mandatory for the Secretariat, because otherwise they will not know in which archive to store it and who has the right to receive it. After that, this document should have received a registration number and entered into a special book corresponding to this classification. Stalin could not find this "document" in the annals of the Secretariat ... The work of the Secretariat in the USSR under Stalin was ideal. In addition, such documents are being prepared for any purpose. What you have posted has one and only purpose, to discredit the USSR. But Stalin and Molotov were not scum, they were patriots of the USSR and the smartest people. And there was no point in composing something like that. If there was such a Protocol, it would have been signed correctly and drawn up in accordance with the Protocol, so that it could be used. Such a Protocol could only be kept in the archives of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, but not in the Ministry of Defense, and even more so in the archives of the Central Committee.
                      3. 0
                        12 January 2020 11: 59
                        Quote: Andrzej K
                        Do not you understand ?! These documents were officially declassified on September 9, 2019 by the Russian Ministry of Defense

                        In the days of Yakovlev and not such fakes were cooked up, and the prosecutor Ilyukhin reported about this. So moderate ardor, and better study what the GENUINE annexes to the Treaties that the USSR concluded in 1930-1940 look like, and then you can understand that what is presented does not fit into any framework.
            3. +2
              11 January 2020 18: 38
              The USSR was never Hitler's ally. Look in the archives, read carefully, and only then determine who was Hitler's ally. At the same time, look at which countries simultaneously attacked the USSR with Hitler, and which countries AT THE SAME TIME with Hitler attacked Poland. And at the same time, compare how the Polish government behaved in 1939, and how the Soviet government acted in the most difficult moments? By the way, Poland was liberated by the USSR in World War II and given Poland the right to statehood. Pay attention to those territories that were given to the Polish state. Only from 2 to 1919 Poland was an independent player in the international arena, since then both socialist and EU Poland never became what it was in the first half of the 1937th century. Instead of fighting for the revival of Poland as an independent state, the Poles began to choose their "masters", having sunk to the point, they themselves began to invite foreign troops to protect themselves from someone who is not clear, or, in other words, they simply sold themselves to the Americans by changing the red puppet suit to a star-striped one. .but remained a puppet. This is probably why people in Russia look at Polish majesty with a smile.
              1. -6
                11 January 2020 18: 48
                But what is the name of a country that, together with Hitler, divides other countries, which supplies it with oil and other materials, hides its warships and ships under its own flag, congratulating on the victory over other countries, as in June 1940? Ally is the most suitable term, even if it is a mafia alliance that does not leave many traces. However, there are many traces and evidence, and many of them can be cited. If necessary, there will be nothing left.
                By the way, Poland in the 2nd World War was liberated by the USSR and granted Poland the right to statehood. Pay attention to those territories that were given to the Polish state

                He freed or, rather, took over, half he took, leaving the independence of the facade?
                Yes, Poland received Western lands, but not from Stalin, but at the Potsdam Conference.

                However, I agree that the current Polish policy and hostility towards Russia and foreign bases on its own territory do not matter. this is silly.
                1. +3
                  11 January 2020 19: 01
                  Raise the archives on the relationship between Poland and Hitlerite Germany - you will be "unpleasantly" surprised ... And also, pay attention - September 1, 1939 at 4 hours 45 minutes Arriving in Danzig with a FRIENDLY VISIT and, with an ENVIRONMENT MET BY A LOCAL POPULATION, a German training ship - The obsolete battleship Schleswig-Holstein opened fire on Polish fortifications on Westerplatte. Or you only know about the USSR of those years, but not about Poland and its ties with Hitler. By the way, during the Civil War, the USSR took the side of the socialists, against the fascist Franco, actively supported by Hitler and Musolini ... It was in 1937-39 that the first military clash between the Soviet military and the German took place. And who was supported by Poland at that time? Climb in the archives ....
                2. +1
                  11 January 2020 20: 31
                  Together with Hitler, Poland divided the country of Czechoslovakia with the "permission" of England and France. Therefore, Poland and Germany should be called aggressors, and the British and French instigators of aggression. And all together, the authors of World War II .. As for oil, you are right. Indeed, for almost the entire war, it was supplied to the Nazis by certain campaigns from the United States on tankers under the Spanish flag. But Franco did not hide the fact that he was a fascist.
                  1. -4
                    11 January 2020 20: 53
                    Together with Hitler, Poland divided the country of Czechoslovakia with the "permission" of England and France. Therefore, Poland and Germany should be called aggressors, and the British and French instigators of aggression



                    If you change Poland to the USSR and Czechoslovakia to Poland, it will work like a glove - September 17, 1939

                    The only difference is that there are no documents confirming the agreement between Poland and Germany on the general division of Czechoslovakia, and the secret protocol to the Ribentrop-Molotov Pact is widely known and accessible.
                    1. +3
                      11 January 2020 21: 26
                      There is no need to lie. The original "secret protocol" to the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact has not appeared in any public domain. And what you are referring to is a fake, invented by Russian hyenas and your abomination brothers Yakovlev under the leadership of Yeltsin. This is the first thing. And secondly, the fact of Poland's military attack on Czechoslovakia is indeed recognized, and even the Polish government does not refuse it. By the way, Stalin spoke out against the recognition in Nuremberg of Poland's role in unleashing the war because of the friendly relations between the USSR and the new leadership of Poland. Or do you deny Poland's capture of the Cieszyn region of Czechoslovakia? Simultaneously with the capture of the Sudetenland by Germany. And why do we need a protocol, if a specific act of Poland's armed aggression against the Czech Republic is recorded. And by the way, why did Poland flatly refuse to let Soviet troops through to help the Czechs? After all, the USSR signed an agreement with Czechoslovakia on mutual assistance and turned to the dancers for permission. And tell me who ruled Poland on September 17?
                      The option is the Polish government from Romania, an ally of Germany, or rather from the prison in Bucharest I do not advise.
                      1. -3
                        11 January 2020 21: 35
                        On September 9, 2019, the Russian Ministry of Defense published documents related to the invasion of Nazi Germany against Poland. Among them are copies of the declassified protocols of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact (Hitler-Stalin)


                        The originals of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact in Russian were first publicly available. A scan of the secret supplementary protocol to the Non-Aggression Treaty of 1939 was also published, which delimited the spheres of interests of the USSR and Germany from the Baltic to the Black Sea.




                        https://www.gazeta.ru/science/2019/06/02_a_12389503.shtml


                        I don't see any difference with what you call "fake". So what?
                      2. +1
                        11 January 2020 23: 46
                        There is such a concept as PROTOCOL, where it is spelled out how such documents are drawn up and certified. This piece of paper is more similar to the "agreement" of two fifth-graders on the search for treasure. They typed on a typewriter and entered the signers by hand. The price of such a "document" in international relations is absolutely zero. Therefore, neither Stalin nor Hitler would even write such a bileberd. In addition, the obvious inequality of the signatories is striking. From the USSR, the head of the Council of People's Commissars (Prime Minister) Molotov, from Germany, the Minister of Foreign Affairs .... A huge difference, extremely humiliating for the USSR. Such things were not allowed under Stalin.
                      3. -3
                        11 January 2020 23: 57
                        Once again, because he doesn’t reach - This is an official (albeit secret) document from an international agreement published on September 9, 2019 OFFICIALLY by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
                        If this is the level of the "agreement" of two fifth-graders on the search for the treasure, this indicates the class and level of Soviet and German diplomacy on August 23, 1939.
                      4. +1
                        12 January 2020 11: 22
                        The level of diplomacy of both Hitler and Stalin was orders of magnitude higher than the level of primitive diplomacy of Poland, as evidenced by the result of their actions in September 1939. Its diplomats tightly quarreled Poland with the USSR and Germany, as well as France. Then, realizing what they had done, they abandoned their people, army and gave a fight. And Stalin’s diplomacy in Potsdam gave Poland both independence and new territories undeserved by the Poles.
                      5. +1
                        12 January 2020 12: 05
                        Quote: Andrzej K
                        Once again, because it does not reach, this is an official (albeit secret) document from an international agreement published on September 9, 2019 OFFICIALLY by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

                        In fact, this is a document from the archives of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs or the Soviet government, which means that it simply does not exist in the Ministry of Defense, and they published in the best possible way a SCAN document that they never had. Teach the materiel before propagating your fantasies here.
                      6. -2
                        11 January 2020 21: 46
                        the fact of the USSR military attack on Poland on September 17 is indeed recognized, and even the Polish government does not refuse. This is a message from the President of Poland, Ignatius Moscicki, dated September 17, 1939:

                        “Citizens!

                        When our army fights unprecedented courage against enemy violence from the first day of the war to the present day, withstanding the onslaught of the enormous advantage of all the armed forces of Germany, our eastern neighbor has invaded our lands, violating existing agreements and the eternal principles of morality.

                        Therefore, for the first time in our history, we faced a storm that flooded our country from the west and east.

                        Poland, in alliance with France and England, is fighting for the law against lawlessness, for faith and civilization against soulless barbarism, for good against the rule of evil in the world. I firmly believe in this struggle, it must come out and come out victorious.

                        Citizens! We must protect the personification of the Commonwealth and the source of constitutional authority from a temporary flood. Therefore, although with a heavy heart, I decided to transfer the place of the President of the Republic of Poland and the Supreme State Bodies to the territory of one of our allies. From there, under conditions ensuring their full sovereignty, they will protect the interests of the Commonwealth and continue to wage war with our allies.

                        Citizens! I know that, despite the most difficult passages, you will retain, as before, your steadfastness, dignity and pride, which you deserve the admiration of the whole world.

                        Each of you must take care of the honor of our nation in the most difficult conditions.

                        Providence will bring us justice.

                        Kossov, 17.9.1939/XNUMX/XNUMX

                        / - / Ignacy Moscicki "
                      7. +1
                        11 January 2020 23: 50
                        Duck September 17.09, 1939 your Mositsky and his team have been in a Romanian prison for three days. And the Romanians were allies of Hitler. Well, did Hitler really allow him to write such a paper? Or did he write it when the Romanians sent all this gang to England ...
                        But it was clearly not 17.09.1939/XNUMX/XNUMX
                      8. -3
                        12 January 2020 00: 04
                        Nonsense. It was only on the night of September 17-18 that they crossed to Kuta nad Cheremosz after the Soviet aggression against Poland, the President of the Republic of Poland Ignacy Mogicki, members of the government with Prime Minister Felician Slawoe-Skladkovsky and General-General Edward Rydz- Zhigli, crossed the border with Romania. where were they interned
                      9. 0
                        12 January 2020 11: 55
                        You're talking nonsense, dear. The last Polish chiefs crossed the Romanian border during the day of September 17, on the same day the Polish ambassador to the USSR was summoned to the Foreign Ministry to hand over a note. He refused to accept the note, and gave a clear answer to the question of where the leadership of Poland was - In Bucharest. By the way, it is not very close to Bucharest from the border .. It also takes time to reach. This fact is documented. In addition, Mositsky's "appeal" testifies to the miserable level of Polish diplomacy .. This is just a propaganda leaflet. And where is the note of protest from the USSR, where is the declaration of war on the USSR.?
                      10. +2
                        12 January 2020 12: 06
                        Quote: Andrzej K
                        the fact of the USSR military attack on Poland on September 17 is indeed recognized, and even the Polish government does not refuse.

                        Why then did France and Great Britain declare war on Germany ("strange war"), but did not declare the USSR?
                3. 0
                  11 January 2020 21: 31
                  To begin with, the USSR did absolutely nothing that Europe would not have done long before the 40th year.
                  Remember the Czechoslovak section with the approval of Europe.
                  In addition, the USSR was the last of the European countries to sign an agreement with Hitler.
                  But what is the name of a country that, together with Hitler, divides other countries, which supplies it with oil and other materials, hides its warships and ships under its own flag, congratulating on the victory over other countries, as in June 1940?
                  But what is the name of the country that helped Hitler come to power, who raised German industry after the First World War, knowing that Hitler had plans to attack Europe and the USSR?
                  Well, what is America called, which led Hitler to this war?
                  1. 0
                    11 January 2020 23: 27
                    To make it clear. I do not think that the USSR would do anything exceptionally bad. Each country has its own interests. What we call crime for individuals is often just politics for states. The authorities of each state (at least under the assumption) should take care of its interests - no other. Sometimes the interests of one state mean the failure of another. This is how the world works.

                    However, I do not understand why someone is trying to pretend to be a flawless virgin or angel.

                    Each country has its own sad history and crimes in all conscience - after several decades (although this will sound cruel), this is just history and statistics - work for scientists - the task of the authorities should be to take care of citizens today and tomorrow, and not about what someone did 70 years ago.
                    The USSR sharpened Poland on September 17, 1939, because it was in his vital interests. It’s sad and tragic for me as a Pole, but the USSR authorities were obliged to take care of the USSR, not Poland, as the Polish authorities in Zaolz in 1938, Russia occupied Crimea
                    as well as sending the general of Poland to Vilnius and the so-called "Central Lithuania". The interests of the state and morality are different things. This is POLICY unfortunately :-(
                    1. +1
                      12 January 2020 09: 53
                      Do you know that it was Poland that planned to divide the USSR with Germany?
                      Well, a few facts.
                      When Poland was already defeated (although its troops still continued to agonize in some places), when its government cowardly fled abroad, it became clear that in the near future the Germans would occupy ALL of Poland, including Western Ukraine and Western Belarus (i.e. Soviet territories, shortly before that, captured by Poland in the course of an aggressive war against the USSR) - then the Soviet troops occupied these (their own!) territories so that they would not go to Hitler.
                      Nobody considered it a war - neither the Poles, nor the "allies", nor the USSR.
                      Everyone, including the Poles themselves, recognized that it was a fair step - the restoration of the border along the Curzon line.
                      And, of course, there was no talk of any alliance with the Nazis.
                      In 1938, France and England surrendered to those who were promised help.
                      They betrayed an ally in order to appease the aggressor, whom they could strangle in the bud.
                      The USSR did not betray anyone and only wanted to avoid a war for which it was not ready - a war with a monster, who had been raised by England and France, whom they had given birth and raised by hand-feeding.
                      The big difference is, you know ...
                      Let's imagine there was no pact ...
                      Would Hitler not attack Poland?
                      I would attack without a pact, the troops are concentrated, the guns are loaded ...
                      The Soviet Union tried to give security guarantees to Czechoslovakia and even materialized them into army groups in the summer of the 38th.
                      However, through the efforts of Poland and its powerful allies, these efforts were nullified.
                      But!!!
                      Many historians have speculated that if it had been possible to save Czechoslovakia from dismemberment, then, possibly, the Second World War could have been avoided.
                      Or she would not be so bloody and large-scale.
                      It is clear that history does not know the subjunctive mood, and yet ...
          2. +2
            11 January 2020 18: 12
            Not only. More than 700000 Poles rushed into Wehrmacht volunteers.
            1. -1
              11 January 2020 20: 48
              This is shit and lies. Poles living in annexed areas were subject to mandatory draft in the German army, and this was not a voluntary enrollment. In any case, no one hides this (although the number, in my opinion, is exaggerated).
              This is the same as saying that my grandmother’s brother went to the Red Army in 1940 in Stolpets to become a volunteer. where i died. Bad joke - he went because he had to - these areas were included in the USSR, and he reached the age of recruitment. No one asked him

              Hilfswillige, Schutzmannschaften, on the other hand, were volunteers, who in fact totaled hundreds of thousands, not to mention the ROA, the Cossack corps, and it could take so long.
              1. +1
                11 January 2020 21: 30
                More than 70 Poles in the form of the Wehrmacht stayed with the Germans in the camps of the USSR. They had the status of prisoners of war. Where did the firewood come from? Note that our soldiers did not take Poles, as well as Jews in the SS uniform.
                1. -2
                  11 January 2020 22: 08
                  I do not deny that the Poles from Silesia or the so-called “Land of Warta”, introduced in 1939 as part of the Third Reich, served in the German army - this is a fact. Even in Poland, a good book was published about this.


                  I do not agree with this statement
                  More 700000 Poles rushed to volunteers


                  Volunteers were an exception and very weak.

                  Poles were not admitted to the SS at all, even if they were ready. The German army also had no "Polish units", but there were Russians, Ukrainians, Estonians, Cossack Turks, French, Danes and Dutch ...

                  The only exception is the police - here was the 202 Schutzmannschafts battalion - a unit that defended many Polish settlements in Ukraine, but is guilty of the massacres of several Ukrainian villages in revenge for UPA crimes. The policemen of this battalion, who I write in shame, even killed women and children in the villages of Zlyazno, Podluzhna, Stavka, Yapoche and Holovina. Shame, because it was a crime - even if bullets were used, not UPA saws, hammers or axes. As a Pole, I am ashamed of it, and I'm not very good at it.
                  1. +2
                    12 January 2020 00: 04
                    You are incompetent about STS. Purely Polish - 202 baht SS, SS brigade "Holy Cross", 31 and 32 SS grenadier divisions. Polish volunteers served in the SS "Dead Head" and in 4 grenades. policemen. Divas SS and in a number of others. You just in Europe limit information about the war and misinform. The same book that you cited noted that until 1944 about 500 Poles went to serve in the Wehrmacht.
                    1. -3
                      12 January 2020 00: 26
                      You don’t understand the expression "Polish units" of the SS - sad There were none! there was the 14th SS Galizien Division (Ukrainian), 13 SS "Handschar" (Bosnians), 23 SS "Kama" (Hungarians) ...

                      SS Brigade "Holy Cross", 31 and 32 SS Grenadier Divisions



                      Schutzmannschafts-Bataillon 202 - This is not a SS department, but a police department!

                      “Brigade of the Holy Cross” - a brigade of National Armed Forces created from Polish ultranationalists during World War II has nothing to do with SS


                      31 SS Böhmen und Mähren was founded in October 1944. It was formed from Volksdeutsch and Reichsdeutsch, inhabiting mainly Hungary and from the remnants of the 23rd SS Mountain Division (2nd Croatian) Kama

                      The 32nd SS Volunteer Grenadier Division “January 30” was created in January 1945 from students of SS non-commissioned schools and spare parts of the Waffen SS. has nothing to do with the Poles !!!


                      for this:
                      29. Waffen-Grenadier Division der SS (russische nr 1 -ROA)
                      30. Waffen-Grenadier Division der SS russische nr 2, weissruthenische nr 1
                      they were Russian SS units !!!

                      You are not only incompetent. You are a liar !!!
                      1. +1
                        12 January 2020 12: 06
                        No, Mr. Pole, you are a lie. The brigade of the Holy Cross of the Polish Nazis in January 1945 received the coveted SS status and already in the form of SS, but with Polish insignia they fought with the USSR as part of the FELDHERMHALLE / tank corps. And the 202th battalion was included in the SS troops in August 1944. There is no need to slander our motherland and those of our fathers who died liberating Poland from the Nazis. Yes, yes, the very ones whose monuments you demolish and desecrate. Do not slander our ancestors. Moreover, this slander is primitive and stupid.
  13. +1
    11 January 2020 16: 30
    Poles deservedly periodically rake over their faces in arrogance and this is honey. fact. But what does the law adopted in the USA by American officials legally have to do with the Poles living in their own country? It's like I decided in my apartment that I am the legal husband of a beautiful married neighbor and on this basis I lay claim to her bed and apartment. It even sounds funny, really., But in our world, the law of the United States is for everyone in the world as my decree in my neighbor is only compulsory to fulfill as strange.
  14. BAI
    +1
    11 January 2020 16: 35
    After all, all this fuss arose against the backdrop of the discussion of Law No. 2018 adopted in 447 in the United States (“Justice for survivors without compensation”).

    It refers to the return of property to the victims of the Holocaust.

    And what, the Albright family will return the property of Czech Jews? Or because a Jewess will forgive her all?
    1. 0
      11 January 2020 18: 52
      “Justice for survivors without compensation” ???
      This is nonsense - it's about landless real estate. Not for heirs who are not, a
      for strange Jewish organizations in the USA that have nothing to do with victims or property rights, which, in accordance with the law, became the property of the State Treasury in the absence of heirs
  15. +3
    11 January 2020 17: 08
    Yes, to drive the current Western Russophobes for a month to the same Auschwitz and other camps and create conditions for them as close as possible to the present reality of the 40s. I’ll see how they sing.
    1. -3
      11 January 2020 23: 49
      Or maybe both Russians in labor camps and in the “good times” of the USSR? I'll see how they sing to your power. - Sorry for the stupid answer - it just matches the stupid record earlier to her
      1. 0
        12 January 2020 10: 35
        To begin with, I would learn to coherently state my own, and maybe not my own thought. By the construction of the phrases it is clear that the comrade is not Russian, but Lyakh, who does not know a damn about our and his history.
  16. 0
    11 January 2020 17: 50
    After all, all this fuss arose against the backdrop of the discussion of Law No. 2018 adopted in 447 in the United States (“Justice for survivors without compensation”).

    This, of course, is a good law, but why does it apply only to survivors (or their descendants) after the Holocaust? Maybe you need to think about the rest? And something seems to me that they will take advantage of this law (after finalizing it) and the rest of the victims (and not so) - Hungarians, Romanians, etc. And thus, they will bite off pieces from Ukraine. First, small, then more.
    1. -1
      11 January 2020 18: 54
      Do not forget that “several” Jews also lived in the USSR. They, or rather, who pretends to be their heirs, will also ask for "them"
  17. +2
    11 January 2020 20: 59
    Cunningly pshek dumped. He needs it with a naked booty on a hot frying pan? Surely VVP will not go there empty-handed. I think he will grab materials for a control shot at the pumpkin of the Polish "vision" of historical events.
  18. +1
    12 January 2020 11: 13
    Recently read memoirs of soldiers (excerpts from the memories of ordinary soldiers)
    .. So one recalled (captured as far back as the 41st) After being released, they were taken to the east by a convoy (there were problems with transport) ..
    When they entered Poland, there the locals gathered and openly mocked us, it came to conflicts already ..
    Well, they found transport urgently .. But the sediment remained!
    Finally, everyone started talking about it openly .. How much anger in Poland even went to the Outskirts ... Well, nothing, we’ll open the archives and show the whole world who you were in occupation ..
    How many soldiers were put there saving their cities from destruction .. That's her gratitude to them .. soldier
  19. -1
    12 January 2020 23: 55
    Without Jews, Poland is doomed to be on the sidelines!
    Someone wouldn’t say anything, but among the Jews there is a sea of ​​talented and simply brainy people! Yes
    The percentage of Jews in any nation is always needed to assimilate and dilute thickened native blood and move forward laughing
    You just need to hold on to the pace more tightly, in order to regulate the tension indefatigable ambitions and historical mania of God's chosen people!
    There, on the promised land, their authorities do so (do you want to achieve something ?! Well, serve your country, but not on the couch) hi
  20. 0
    13 January 2020 11: 52
    the fact of the USSR military attack on Poland on September 17 is indeed recognized, and even the Polish government does not refuse.

    1. Why did the Polish allies not declare war on the USSR then (September 17, 1939)? What do you think?
    2. Does today's Poland have any claims to the territory that the Red Army entered after September 17, 1939. And if not, why? If these territories are now included in other countries and Poland has no claim to them, can Poland be able to occupy the territories of other countries and we should talk about their "liberation"?
  21. 0
    16 January 2020 23: 10
    It seems the Poles are not learning anything. Four sections of Poland for the future did not go. They can wait for the fifth.