The upcoming anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz has heated Poland to the limit


The reconsideration of the results of the Second World War started by Europe was to the liking of the Polish conservatives, who have now settled in power in Warsaw. The opportunity has opened to portray Poland as the main victim of this world massacre, and at the same time, in the form of compensations, cut down easy money from Germany or Russia.


History vs Poles


But this is bad luck. The role of the main victim of the war has long been taken. Holocaust memory seems to have washed out stories tens of millions of other dead people. In vain attempts to remind them of the world, even the mighty of Russia fail a little. As for Poland, the story there is quite muddy. Still, the number of Poles killed in the war is much smaller than the Polish Jews who died in the Holocaust.

Before the war, they accounted for a tenth of the country's population (over three million people), and in large cities (for example, Warsaw, Lodz and Krakow) - more than a third of the inhabitants. After the war, about a hundred thousand Jews remained in Poland, and now ten thousand at all. In the new century, Poland became an almost mono-ethnic country.

Poles have long dreamed about this. In 1936, they even drew up the so-called “Madagascar Plan” for the resettlement of all Polish Jews to the distant island of the Indian Ocean. To implement this criminal idea, the Polish treasury did not have enough funds.

During the war years, many Poles showed their cave anti-Semitism to the world. They killed Jews (and even their fellow tribesmen who stood up to defend them), handed over the unfortunate to the Nazis for reprisal, and then appropriated their property. Take, for example, the story of the uprising in the Sobibor concentration camp. It is known that the Jews who escaped from the camp were given to the Nazis by local Poles, for which they received prizes.

This is remembered. Both about the situation as a whole and about its individual characters. At the pre-New Year’s collegium of the Russian Ministry of Defense, Vladimir Putin, for example, spoke about the fascist manners of the Polish diplomat Józef Lipsky and called him an “anti-Semitic pig.”

In response, the Polish politicum soared in “righteous anger,” and Polish President Andrzej Duda refused to travel to Israel for the World Holocaust Forum. Since the president of Russia Vladimir Putin is also invited to the forum, moreover, as one of the main speakers. The situation has heated Poland to the limit.

What was afraid of Andrzej Duda


This is the main thing. Nobody is going to give the floor to the forum itself, and what Putin will say and what other documents will be presented to the world community, Warsaw can only guess. In a conversation on Onet.pl on Friday, former Polish President Lech Walesa explained why Andrzej Dudu was "put on the bench."

Walesa recalled that Warsaw did not invite Vladimir Putin to celebrate the 75th anniversary of the liberation of the Auschwitz concentration camp, which will be held in Poland in late January. But the world, fortunately, has not yet forgotten that it was the Red Army that liberated this concentration camp from fascist horror. Even Walesa called our liberation of Auschwitz "a historical truth that no one will change."

Therefore, the demarche of Warsaw among many politicians abroad (especially in Israel) caused, to say the least, bewilderment. “It was to be expected that Duda would not receive a voting right in Israel. In this situation, he cannot fly there, ”said Lech Walesa in conclusion of the conversation.

Walesa kept silent about something else. The hysteria of Polish politics is caused not only by Putin's resonant statement. The attitude to Poland is changing in the world. Last February, for example, a senior Israeli diplomat, Israel Katz, quoted the country's former prime minister Yitzhak Shamir on local television as saying, "The Poles absorb anti-Semitism with their mother’s milk."

A great diplomatic scandal erupted, which was only managed with the help of US Vice President Mike Pence. The scandal subsided, but the sediment remained. After all, all this fuss arose against the backdrop of the discussion of Law No. 2018 adopted in 447 in the United States (“Justice for survivors without compensation”).

It refers to the return of property to the victims of the Holocaust. The law allows “if it is not possible to establish the identity of the heirs of the victims, transfer the property for public use to Jewish organizations involved in Holocaust research for further use for educational purposes.”

Poland is heading under this law. After the war, the property of the deceased Polish Jews passed mainly into state ownership. According to experts, its cost now amounts to about 300 billion US dollars.

Now they’ve come for this money. Although the process has not yet emerged from the stage of rhetoric and discussion, Putin has given it a new impetus. At a forum in Israel, the topic will certainly be dispersed further. That's why Andrzej Duda chose to stay in Warsaw. He does not want to sit at the same table with Putin. Duda is simply afraid of the upcoming conversation on the forum.
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  1. WILL 11 January 2020 11: 30 New
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    Well, what can I say ... if Restitution under International Laws is aimed at Poland, Poles - Kirdyk! Israel from Living Poland will not Tear down! yes We have to answer Panam, a blow to the wallet of $ 300 billion - more than a fair punishment for hyenas, Nazi accomplices! It certainly will not return to life, but at least some historical justice will be restored!
    1. Bar2 11 January 2020 11: 54 New
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      in general, the Russians died more than the Jews, and the merits of the Russians before humanity are much higher than among the Jews, but they constantly remind us of the Holocaust, always by ear. In addition, many do not recognize this Holocaust, so the cheese boron around the Jews is just noise.
      1. WILL 11 January 2020 11: 59 New
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        You took such an offense? Russian - spelled with two letters with ... so for reference.
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          1. serge siberian 11 January 2020 19: 37 New
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            This Russia is written with one "C", and Russian with two "C". You sir, even a certificate of completion
            You can lower 8 classes of education to university. From what you have already written, it follows that you have not studied, and you have been attending school for 8 years. Education is "fake" with you, sir. soldier
        2. tihonmarine 11 January 2020 12: 41 New
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          Quote: ANIMAL
          You took such an offense? Russian - spelled with two letters with ... so for reference.

          But Bar2 is still right, because we do not know our story well
          Vladimir Dahl argued that writing “Russian” with two “s” was wrong, and he wrote with one (Russian, Russian, Russian land ...).
          In the annals there is one “c” - Russian, Russian.
          Where did the second “C” come from?
          In his dictionary, Dahl explains that the old people wrote “Russian” with one “s” - Pravda Ruska; only Poland called us Russia, Russians, Russians, in Latin spelling, and we adopted it, transferred it to our Cyrillic and write Russian.
          1. WILL 11 January 2020 12: 48 New
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            I missed something and we were transported to the days of Dahl? Maybe we’ll plunge even deeper into the centuries laughing ? Like this, I forgot .... but - I am ...
            Here we are talking about Modern Russian language and spelling rules! yes
            1. tihonmarine 11 January 2020 12: 56 New
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              Quote: ANIMAL
              Here we are talking about Modern Russian language and spelling rules!

              You need to remember your story, your ancestors, your graveyards and the graves of great-grandfathers. If we forget this, then we will cease to be considered the Russian people. And there is nothing shameful to consider yourself, as our ancestors considered RUSSIAN!
              1. WILL 11 January 2020 13: 05 New
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                There is no need to agitate ... and talk about the graves of their ancestors. Unlike you - I live on the land of the Ancestors and not only push slogans.
                Well, about who you want to consider yourself ... there is a separate conversation! laughing
                you can consider yourself even a Papuan, even an Indian ... you can associate yourself with animals and birds, a chameleon or woodpecker ... you are our Russian no
                I AM RUSSIAN !

                Quote: tihonmarine

                You need to remember your story, your ancestors, your graveyards and the graves of great-grandfathers. If we forget this, then we will cease to be considered the Russian people. And there is nothing shameful to consider yourself, as our ancestors considered RUSSIAN!
                1. tihonmarine 11 January 2020 13: 46 New
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                  Quote: ANIMAL
                  I AM RUSSIAN !

                  I'm not against.
                  1. Krasnodar 11 January 2020 14: 31 New
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                    NATO is always against lol
                    1. tihonmarine 11 January 2020 15: 15 New
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                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      NATO is always against

                      NATO is not a nation.
                      1. Krasnodar 11 January 2020 16: 20 New
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                        This is orientation.
                        Political, of course hi
                      2. tihonmarine 11 January 2020 16: 59 New
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                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        This is orientation.

                        Something reminiscent of the 20-30s.
                      3. Andrzej k 11 January 2020 20: 59 New
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                        NATO I think this is a pretty bad bluff. And put on the wrong horse.
                        Yes, that’s how the authorities are guided by reason or reason, rather than historical events, and seek the enemy instead of working
                      4. Krasnodar 11 January 2020 21: 59 New
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                        Yes, we are talking about great national patriotism and a common future - not about confrontation and geopolitics, pan Andrzej hi
                      5. Andrzej k 11 January 2020 22: 15 New
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                        Sorry, there may have been a translation error! Must be

                        NATO I think this is a pretty bad bluff. And put on the wrong horse.
                        Yes it is as authorities are not guided by reason or reason, but by historical events and seek the enemy instead of working
                      6. Krasnodar 11 January 2020 22: 18 New
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                        I see, but my message was personal. It's not about geopolitical situation.
                        In Russian, we are about our own, personal, not geopolitical.
                      7. Andrzej k 11 January 2020 22: 32 New
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                        I am Polish and love my country. but I don’t think with obvious hatred of anyone else. I also love Russia for its culture and history - I probably know the history of Russia better than Russian history of Poland - and it is from Russian books that I passionately read - I read fluently - laugh that I think in Russian :-) - to Unfortunately, on the contrary, everything is worse and I use a translator. I am a Slav, and I am closer to the places and language of some of my ancestors than to Germany or the USA. We have different points of view, different views, but it’s important not to offend one another and speak
                      8. Krasnodar 11 January 2020 22: 59 New
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                        I agree. I support. It is always better to be friends than to quarrel.
            2. Proton 12 January 2020 00: 17 New
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              Rather debilitation, am finking laughing
  • Russobel 11 January 2020 12: 58 New
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    Actually, here we are talking about
    The upcoming anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz has heated Poland to the limit
  • Bar2 11 January 2020 16: 23 New
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    Quote: ANIMAL
    Here we are talking about Modern Russian language and spelling rules!


    what spelling rules do you mention when doubling with in the word Russian?
    It is necessary that the word has a root in Rus, but the root of Rus does not exist. The most ancient chronicles, for example, Radzivilovskaya talk about Rouskaya Land and Rousse. Show in what chronicles they speak about Rus?
  • Flooding 11 January 2020 16: 22 New
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    But Bar2 is still right, because we do not know our story well

    Read our correspondence with Bar in the comments to the article
    https://topwar.ru/166465-jestonija-vnov-otkazalas-ratificirovat-dogovor-o-gosgranice-s-rossiej.html#comment-id-10003708
    Maybe you will not be so categorical.
  • Bar2 11 January 2020 16: 29 New
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    Quote: tihonmarine
    But Bar2 is still right, because we do not know our story well


    in general, if you look at the story with your own eyes, and not the history textbook edited by AN, it turns out that this story becomes completely different. And this version of the story is still firmly upheld by adherents of the OI-official history. And these people, as you understand, have neither to the Russians, nor to the Slavs any relation-kinship.
  • Flooding 11 January 2020 16: 19 New
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    Russian - spelled with two letters with

    This is a logic task. Here you need to think.
    "Russian" is written with two "s".
    A "Russian" - with one.
    "German" is written with one "c".
    A "German" - with two.
    There is nothing to argue about.
  • Xnumx vis 12 January 2020 22: 43 New
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    You took such an offense? Russian - spelled with two letters with ... so for reference.

    Ouch. I'm tired of reminding, but in Ukraine, my Russian is written with one с Russian ... They generally avoid the word RUSSIAN ..--- .. Russians, citizens of Russia, etc. , it is obvious that the word Russian is scary for ukrov ... Probably trying to erase the historical memory .. Yes, there were only Ukrainians, there were no Russians, there was no Russia, there were no Rusyns .. UKRAINE SOAP !!! So they change the historical truth .. But in general in the Old Slavonic chronicles they wrote Russcue .. Probably so right. Derivative of Russ . But this is a different story and a topic of conversation ...
  • knn54 11 January 2020 13: 44 New
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    As one “Russian” liberal-Russian, Belarusians said, Ukrainians did not obey the Nazi "order", and therefore they were killed. And Jews were killed because of their nationality. Holocaust, of course, for the latter case.
    Now about the Holocaust, the 3-volume post-war report of the International Red Cross showed that there were far fewer Jews killed than Slavs. And no more than 1,5 million. And the UN Human Rights Committee recommended the abolition of the prosecution for Holocaust denial. After that, the United States and Israel withdrew from this committee.
    Which does not "belittle" the role of the Poles in resolving the Jewish question.
    And a little off topic, studies of Polish, Ukrainian and some of the Israeli publicists showed that the OUN and AK officers killed the most ... ORTHODOX.
  • Aaron Zawi 11 January 2020 12: 14 New
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    Quote: ANIMAL
    Well, what can I say ... if Restitution under International Laws is aimed at Poland, Poles - Kirdyk! Israel from Living Poland will not Tear down! yes We have to answer Panam, a blow to the wallet of $ 300 billion - more than a fair punishment for hyenas, Nazi accomplices! It certainly will not return to life, but at least some historical justice will be restored!

    Eternal memory to all the warriors of the spacecraft extinguished the Auschwitz crematorium. My grandfather personally knew the command post of Anshel Feytelevich Shapiro, the commander of the assault detachment of the 106th Rifle Corps. Major Anatoly Shapiro commanded the first assault on the camp.
    1. rich 11 January 2020 13: 44 New
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      what kind of assault on the camp? can be more detailed. Or do you have your own alternative story?
      An unexpected picture opened before the advancing Soviet troops on January 26. According to the available maps ahead, they were expected to move further along the forest, but suddenly the forest ended, and the soldiers saw a fortified bastion surrounded by barbed wire and high brick walls. The fact that a concentration camp may be located in this area was known only to the top army leaders, so what they saw caused some confusion in the advanced units. The movement was suspended for a thorough reconnaissance. The soldiers were warned of all kinds of tricks of the Germans, in particular, dressing their soldiers in civilian clothes in order to weaken the attention of the Red Army. Somewhat later, intelligence reported that Soviet soldiers were not observing another fascist fortified area, but a large concentration camp, around which there were continuous minefields. Sappers were sent forward.
      Separate units, bypassing the camp, "cleansed" the territory from the hidden troops of the Nazis. The Soviet military was strictly forbidden to use artillery to suppress enemy resistance. Moreover, they were strictly advised not to even engage in skirmishes with the enemy, so that inmates would not be hurt during them accidentally.
      Active work began on the clearance of the territory adjacent to the camp. The complexity of this task was also beyond. Everything around was mined so tightly that the sappers only managed to break through the safe corridor to the main gate of Auschwitz by the middle of the day on January 27th. At around 3 o’clock in the afternoon, the gates over which the Germans hung out the mocking slogan “Labor makes free” were opened, and Soviet soldiers were able to get inside the camp.
      Since the camp guards had already escaped, no one interfered with the prisoners to approach their liberators. All the prisoners were dressed in prison robes, hanging in bags from exhausted bodies. In total, about 7500 living people were discovered in Auschwitz, whom the Germans were preparing to destroy as incapable of working and moving to the central regions of Germany.

      1. Aaron Zawi 11 January 2020 13: 50 New
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        Quote: Rich
        what kind of assault on the camp? can be more detailed. Or do you have your own alternative story?

        Ordinary.
        1. rich 11 January 2020 14: 18 New
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          Major Anatoly Shapiro commanded the first assault on the camp

          Nor were there any assaults. Stop grinding nonsense and write all nonsense. Here it will not work, here is a military site.
          Anatoly Shapiro really participated in the liberation of Auschwitz, like many other soldiers of the 1st Ukrainian Front
          Major Anatoly Shapiro, commander of the battalion of the 106th Rifle Corps, received information that a workshop for the manufacture of pencils was found a few kilometers from its location, in which prisoners can be held. One of the units that really found an operating enterprise immediately moved there. The picture that opened before the fighters was striking in its unreality: inside the brick two-story building in a long semi-lit room in absolute silence along the long tables sat utterly emaciated people. They were more reminiscent of leather-covered living skeletons engaged in stuffing pencil blanks with powdered graphite. The workers who suddenly appeared in the workshop did not pay the slightest attention: the brains of their depleted organisms could be fixed on only one task: making pencils. As it later turned out, each employee was obliged to make a thousand products per shift, otherwise, for the failure to comply with the production rate, he was sent to the gas chamber. For quite some time the Red Army men had to convince the prisoners that the long-awaited freedom had come to them, and they could stop stuffing pencils with graphite. An idea of ​​the condition of the prisoners gives such a fact. When the fighters tried to feed the unfortunate by simply giving them a weak solution of meat broth, the intestines of many, unable to withstand such a load, led to death in terrible agony.
          1. Aaron Zawi 11 January 2020 15: 06 New
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            Quote: Rich

            Nor were there any assaults. Stop grinding nonsense and write all nonsense. Here it will not work, here is a military site.


            The Russian Ministry of Defense for the first time published unique documents of its Central Archive on the release by the Red Army of prisoners from the Auschwitz concentration camp. January 27, 1945, advancing through the territory captured by Nazi troops of Poland, the soldiers of the 1st Ukrainian Front broke into the territory of the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp and freed the prisoners. Archive specialists prepared 15 documents of unique content, some of which were previously secretly stored and were available only to a narrow circle of historians. All these memos, reports and orders were studied by Vesti FM correspondent Sergei Gololobov.
            Yellowed pages of reports and battle logs from time to time. Documents written directly by those who released prisoners of the death camp. First there was an assault on the city of Auschwitz, which began on January 26th. Fight for crossing the Vistula River, mopping up residential yards. And then ordinary soldiers unexpectedly discover a huge object surrounded by many rows of barbed wire, the historian Zalessky Konstantin analyzes the documents posted on the website of the Ministry of Defense.
            “The fact is that Auschwitz is a rather large complex, it includes three actually independent camps. That is, the liberation of the territory of Auschwitz is a very difficult matter and is not a matter of one hour. Soviet troops ran into machine-gun fire and losses amounted to 250 to 300 with a small person. "




            1. rich 11 January 2020 15: 33 New
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              What a lie did not ride? Now we begin to dodge - "they say they didn’t understand me, I wrote about the assault on the city and the crossing of the Vistula." No dear, they’ll change on the go, you wrote about the assault on the camp:
              Aaron Zawi: Major Anatoly Shapiro commanded the first assault on the camp

              PS I did not begin to minus all your nonsense only for this phrase:
              Aaron Zawi: Eternal memory to all the warriors of the spacecraft extinguished the Auschwitz crematorium
              1. Aaron Zawi 11 January 2020 16: 42 New
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                Quote: Rich
                What a lie did not ride? Now we begin to dodge - "they say they didn’t understand me, I wrote about the assault on the city and the crossing of the Vistula." No dear, they’ll change on the go, you wrote about the assault on the camp:
                Aaron Zawi: Major Anatoly Shapiro commanded the first assault on the camp

                PS I did not begin to minus all your nonsense only for this phrase:
                Aaron Zawi: Eternal memory to all the warriors of the spacecraft extinguished the Auschwitz crematorium

                It is written in black and white about the assault on the camp. I don’t know how else to explain.
          2. high 12 January 2020 05: 26 New
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            For the liberation of the camp, the battalion commander Shapiro was awarded the star of the Hero of Ukraine ...
  • Pedrodepackes 11 January 2020 14: 24 New
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    at least some historical justice will be restored!

    Article
    what Putin will say and what other documents will be presented to the world community, Warsaw can only guess.
    I would redo the last word by replacing one letter - "crap"
  • ccsr 11 January 2020 19: 47 New
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    if Restitution under International Laws is directed to Poland, to the Poles - Kirdyk!

    There will be no such law - the United States itself passed a law on all the values ​​that came to them after World War II from Germany, and according to which after 1946 they don’t return any material values ​​to anyone, not even the victims of the Holocaust. So all the dreams of Jews to profit at the expense of the Poles are doomed to failure - no matter how the world community tries, this will not happen, and the Americans themselves are not interested in returning the values ​​that the Germans seized from the Jews and that ended up in the United States. But it’s always not bothering to bend the Poles - let them finally answer for the shit that they poured on us about the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.
  • maidan.izrailovich 11 January 2020 11: 40 New
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    Poles have long dreamed about this. In 1936, they even drew up the so-called “Madagascar Plan” for the resettlement of all Polish Jews to the distant island of the Indian Ocean.

    The Poles did not have such plans.
    The Madagascar Plan is the plan of the German fascists. Borrowed from the British.
    Plan “Madagascar” (Madagaskarplan) - developed in the Third Reich (in continuation of the British plan of Uganda), a plan to deport Jews from Europe to the island of Madagascar.

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Мадагаскарский_план
    Just the Poles as eternal European sixes, they were ready to support any anti-Semitic plans. And this plan was very happy and praised in every way.
    1. Professor 11 January 2020 13: 03 New
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      Quote: maidan.izrailovich
      Poles have long dreamed about this. In 1936, they even drew up the so-called “Madagascar Plan” for the resettlement of all Polish Jews to the distant island of the Indian Ocean.

      The Poles did not have such plans.
      The Madagascar Plan is the plan of the German fascists. Borrowed from the British.
      Plan “Madagascar” (Madagaskarplan) - developed in the Third Reich (in continuation of the British plan of Uganda), a plan to deport Jews from Europe to the island of Madagascar.

      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Мадагаскарский_план
      Just the Poles as eternal European sixes, they were ready to support any anti-Semitic plans. And this plan was very happy and praised in every way.

      The article has a lot of inaccuracies, but in general it is correct. Of course the Poles didn’t have such a plan and Putin lied. What a pity there wasn’t. So a couple of million Jews would save their lives.
    2. Bessarab 11 January 2020 13: 26 New
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      In fact, these plans for the resettlement of Jews are the plans of the Zionists, which had a huge impact on the politics of both England and the USA and Germany. And these plans were crowned with the creation of Israel. However, most Jews were not eager to go there, therefore, they were created for them in what was then Europe. unbearable living conditions. Particularly went to Soviet Jews.
      1. Sergey39 11 January 2020 14: 32 New
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        Especially went to Soviet Jews.
        . Especially when half of the Soviet leadership was Jewish.
        1. Bessarab 11 January 2020 15: 53 New
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          that is why. Jews lived very well in the USSR at that time. And therefore the kagalny system of managing Jews in the USSR was greatly weakened. Many Jews assimilated and moved away from the kagal with the rabbis. It was necessary to drive back.
      2. Krasnodar 11 January 2020 14: 35 New
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        Quote: Bessarab
        In fact, these plans for the resettlement of Jews are the plans of the Zionists, which had a huge impact on the politics of both England and the USA and Germany. And these plans were crowned with the creation of Israel. However, most Jews were not eager to go there, therefore, they were created for them in what was then Europe. unbearable living conditions. Particularly went to Soviet Jews.

        The influence of the Zionists (more precisely, the sponsor of the Zionists, whom was one of the Rothschilds) was only on Great Britain and only during the First World War. The United States with a percentage rate of Jews entering prestigious universities up to the 40s, and Germany, by and large.
        1. Bessarab 11 January 2020 15: 50 New
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          Dear, Zionist leaders of Poland publicly condemning Putin’s statement about Polish after Germany directly stated that the Poles and Germans collaborated with the Zionists in terms of resettlement of Jews. And you deny their recognition. What for?
          1. Krasnodar 11 January 2020 16: 03 New
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            The leaders of the Zionists of Poland? laughing Are you talking about an orthodox rabbi who probably does not recognize the state of Israel as built before the arrival of the Messiah, without rebuilding the Temple and not living according to the laws of Halacha? )) Not a single chief rabbi will not trample a single country in the world against the official position of the authorities on a sensitive issue. Because quickly fly off the post.
            1. Bessarab 11 January 2020 16: 22 New
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              I'm talking about the head of the Jewish community of Poland, and the chief rabbi too. This is their joint statement (or rather, recognition) Regarding the "fly from office" you made me laugh ...... Even in the USA they "do not fly away", and in Poland they "fly off" ....
              1. Krasnodar 11 January 2020 16: 29 New
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                In the United States there is no single religious leader of the six millionth Jewish community laughing
                There are leaders:
                1) Reformists - each branch of reformist Judaism has its own leader
                2) Conservative - similar
                3) Orthodox - here, in general, frenzied division - Ashkenazy and Sephardic
                The former are divided into different Hasidic courts and organizations.
                4) Community leaders of large cities, etc.
                Who is there to throw off and what does this mean for the rest of the American Jews? )))
                1. Bessarab 11 January 2020 17: 50 New
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                  And who to throw off in Poland?
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                    There are few Jews - one rabbi.
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            .... that the Poles and Germans in terms of the resettlement of Jews collaborated with the Zionists.

            You are talking blatant nonsense. And there are those who plus this nonsense.
            A fool is one who says stupidity. And in the double fool is the one who applauds this stupidity.
            1. Bessarab 12 January 2020 11: 43 New
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              It's not me talking nonsense, but you. And not you, but a liar and a slanderer. For I quoted the statement on this fact by the leaders of the current Zionists of Poland, who refute Putin’s statement about Polish after in Germany. Yours yourself admitted this. The hat caught fire on the thief.
  • olegfbi 11 January 2020 11: 40 New
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    In the new century, Poland became an almost mono-ethnic country.

    This is, to say the least, not so.
    As such, Poles \ Shlyakhtichy in modern Poland, according to various estimates, from 25 to 40%. The rest of the population is an explosive mixture of different nationalities, which was formed as a result of 2 world wars.
    And yet, inside Poland itself there is absolutely no consensus on the WWII and Russia, as well as on the current foreign policy of the state.
    Something like this.
  • sergey32 11 January 2020 11: 40 New
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    Abydno, you see ... They were going along with Hitler to divide the Russian lands and slaves of the slaves, but they spat at a time before the campaign, for which their companion half to death swept aside.
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      Abydno, you see ... They were going along with Hitler to divide the Russian lands and slaves of the slaves, but they spat at a time before the campaign, for which their companion half to death swept aside.

      That's right - the first six whip.
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    The opportunity has opened to portray Poland as the main victim of this world massacre, and at the same time, in the form of compensations, cut down easy money from Germany or Russia.
    Poland has already received compensation from Russia from I.V. Stalin in the form of West Prussia, which currently makes up one third of the territory of Poland. No one in the world has received such compensation except Poland after the WWII and after WWII. As soon as Poland opens its mouth against Russia, the word "Shut up !!!" should follow
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      Poland has already received compensation from Russia from I.V. Stalin in the form of West Prussia

      Actually, Prussia is East. There is also just Prussia. And here, about the "western", the first time I hear ... stop
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        And here, about the "western", the first time I hear ...
        Today, the main part of the territory of the former West Prussia (the capital Danzig) is included in the Pomeranian and Kuyavian-Pomeranian voivodeships of Poland. After WWII, one third of East Prussia with the capital Königsberg withdrew to the Soviet Union, and the rest was donated to Poland by I.V. Stalin.
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          Re-checked, I agree with you. yes
          I always thought that it was just the western part of East Prussia.
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            I always thought that it was just the western part of East Prussia.

            Well, I had to live in Kaliningrad (Konigsberg) and work in Gdansk and Szczecin, so I met thoroughly.
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        Poland has already received compensation from Russia from I.V. Stalin in the form of West Prussia

        Actually, Prussia is East. There is also just Prussia. And here, about the "western", the first time I hear ... stop

        This is the person so Szczecin designated
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    According to the production of intestinal gas, the psheks have long bypassed roguli.
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      According to the production of intestinal gas, the psheks have long bypassed roguli.

      And by the smell of both Raguli and ferrets.
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    How do I feel about the murders of Jews in Poland? With condemnation. But it’s a pity that I don’t belong to Jews. Say what you like - but Russian, Belarusians. Ukrainians in the occupied regions of the USSR were no less ruined than Jews, not to mention the Communists. They destroyed those who didn’t have time to hide completely and didn’t have to gundos that the Communists all fled - those who didn’t go to fight, and there were many of them, stayed and fought against fascism .. And why we don’t have conferences on the “Kommikhost”. The answer is clear. Because the liberal part of the public is happy with this. Gozman, etc., are shy, and Hitler would have done it well. As for Edro, they act under the slogan of unity and cohesion, so they are shy of mentioning the Kommikhost - so as not to offend the anti-communists. But in vain - double standards. gentlemen!
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      But it’s a pity that I don’t belong to Jews. Say what you like - but Russian, Belarusians. Ukrainians in the occupied regions of the USSR were no less ruined than Jews, not to mention the Communists.

      My friends (Jews by father) lived in Tallinn after the collapse of the USSR. During the war, the father killed the parents of his father. And the father began to receive from Germany 2000 deutsche marks of compensation, then they were received by the whole family in Germany, they live in the district of Hamburg. Parents receive allowance, a municipal apartment, and money for gas. Children and their families completed free courses and got a job.
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        And the father began to receive from Germany 2000 deutsche marks of compensation, then they were received by the whole family in Germany, they live in the district of Hamburg.

        Yes, that's exactly what happened after the collapse of the USSR and all the Jews who had documents that their parents or they themselves suffered from the Germans, instead of the promised land, ended up in Germany and began to live very well even by the standards of the Germans. Moreover, some managed to get a pension in Russia, where they still come to visit relatives and withdraw money. I myself knew in the nineties the director of the department store in Saltykovka Mosk. region, which cranked up such a feint, and moreover, participated in the privatization of this store.
        But I haven’t heard such a story about a single Russian ....
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          Moreover, some managed to get a pension in Russia, where they still come to visit relatives and withdraw money.

          They also get from us, only easier, everything goes to the card. But they come to visit.
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      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      How do I feel about the murders of Jews in Poland? With condemnation. But it’s a pity that I don’t belong to Jews. Say what you like - but Russian, Belarusians. Ukrainians in the occupied regions of the USSR were no less ruined than Jews, not to mention the Communists. They destroyed those who didn’t have time to hide completely and didn’t have to gundos that the Communists all fled - those who didn’t go to fight, and there were many of them, stayed and fought against fascism .. And why we don’t have conferences on the “Kommikhost”. The answer is clear. Because the liberal part of the public is happy with this. Gozman, etc., are shy, and Hitler would have done it well. As for Edro, they act under the slogan of unity and cohesion, so they are shy of mentioning the Kommikhost - so as not to offend the anti-communists. But in vain - double standards. gentlemen!

      Nonsense you write. A person could become a communist or quit the party. It was his choice. It was impossible to stop being a Jew. The Nazis even destroyed Jews who were baptized in childhood. So they sent the famous Austrian artist into the gas chambers. To be a Jew or not to be a Jew was not a person's choice.
      Neither Russian nor Belarusians, well, the Nazis did not destroy the Ukrainians as a nation. Jews and gypsies were not killed for their behavior or beliefs, but only because they were born that way.

      Russians and Ukrainians (Belarusians to a lesser extent) in the occupied regions of the USSR did not live well. He himself communicated with such. They worked at a shipbuilding factory at the Germans and did not know any troubles. Another told how they lived under the Germans in the Kuban. Nobody touched his boy. Smolensk men handed over Jewish boys to Germans for a bundle of shag. Read the Nobel laureate Belorussian Svetlana Alekseevich. She tells a lot of interesting things.

      Why do they remember the Holocaust, but do not remember the millions of dead Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians? So who forbids you? Belarusians for example do not forget and Khatyn is sacred to them. But if the Jews had not insisted, there would have been no obelisks and memory in Babi Yar as well. Do you often recall the Zmievsky beam? Do you know what it is?

      PS
      Let's remember how the “communist" Dzhugashvili returned to Hitler 500 German communists seeking asylum in the USSR and remember what happened to them.
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        It is a pity that you were not traded for a bundle of shag, would not write nasty things about Russian peasants now.
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        Oleg! Nonsense you write! Firstly, a Jew could hide and how he could hide his Jewishness just like a communist was hiding his partisanship. Secondly, the Gestapo in the occupied regions organized the search for Jews and Communists equally. traitors from the local population betrayed the Communists absolutely on a par with the Jews. Thirdly, I personally don’t believe now, although I used to believe the insinuations about Stalin. Therefore, I write this: the Communist Stalin sent the “Communists” to Germany. The German Communists, Ulbricht during the war fought against fascism. It's funny that you contradict yourself. In the attempts to once again pour over the help of Stalin, you admitted that their fascists destroyed along with the Jews. As for the monuments. That I am not against the monuments to the ruined Jews. I am in favor of equally erecting monuments to the ruined communists.
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          Oleg! Nonsense you write! Firstly, a Jew could hide and how he could hide his Jewishness as a communist hid his partisanship

          All the same, you write nonsense. Here's how to hide it:
          https://topwar.ru/23166-zamihovskiy-grigoriy-efimovich-matros-chernomorskogo-flota.html
          Further, in the Soviet documents they wrote nationality, well, there were always those who turned out neighbors. Those who hid the neighbors can be counted on the fingers.

          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          Secondly, the Gestapo in the occupied regions organized the search for Jews and Communists equally. traitors from the local population betrayed the Communists absolutely on a par with the Jews.

          The communist does not say in his passport and birth certificate that he is a communist and when he joined the party, the foreskin was not circumcised. Or circumcised?

          The communists who crossed over to the Germans were not persecuted by them. The Brigadier Commissar George N. Zhilenkov is an example of this. This did not happen to the Jews. The conversation was short.

          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          Thirdly, I personally don’t believe now, although I used to believe the insinuations about Stalin. Therefore, I write this: the Communist Stalin sent the “Communists” to Germany. The German Communists, Ulbricht during the war fought against fascism. It's funny that you contradict yourself. In the attempts to once again pour over the help of Stalin, you admitted that their fascists destroyed along with the Jews.

          Well, of course. How could Dzhugashvili sacrifice at least one communist?
          https://www.proza.ru/2016/12/27/1787

          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          As for the monuments. That I am not against the monuments to the ruined Jews. I am in favor of equally erecting monuments to the ruined communists.

          The flag is in your hands. Send your 5th point from the couch and put monuments to the communists. Who's stopping you or are you waiting for others to put monuments to your party members and not at your expense?
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            Oleg! And you have come off Russia. Already they began to forget grammar. Do not write, but write - imperative from the word to write - 1 conjugation, and I was mistaken when I looked at you. Now essentially your cues. Do you want only Jews to erect monuments to ruined Jews at the expense of Jews? Double standards s. Further, how many times can one of the most important rules of logic be repeated. "Comparaison n'est pas raison" (Fr.). As for circumcision, this is not an argument. Muslims also circumcise - and the Crimean Tatars in some part of Hitler served well - and all as one circumcised - that's bad luck. You claim that there were only a few Jews. I don’t know, I didn’t count - units - or I don’t know thousands. But I know that the Germans hanged the grandfather of my wife’s best friend in Minsk because he, as the head doctor of the hospital, issued the deceased to the Jews. As for the attitude of the population towards the Communists, it was also different. For example, my late mother during the siege of Leningrad did not serve in the suburbs under the Germans in Rono. In the spring - they, then young and non-partisan, were sent to mobilize the population to collect young shoots of pine trees - they boiled and watered the wounded. That is not the point. Some people said, "The Germans will come - and we will hang you activists." Once again "Comparaison n'est pas raison" (fr). Well, I’m tired of protesting you, and it is an ungrateful thing to build a theory on the basis of individual examples - this is called coeval. Sincerely.
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              Do you want only Jews to erect monuments to ruined Jews at the expense of Jews? Double standards s. Further, how many times can one of the most important rules of logic be repeated. "Comparaison n'est pas raison

              If the Jews wait for a monument to be erected, there will be no monument. Why do you erect a monument to your party members?

              Quote: mikh-korsakov
              Further, how many times can one of the most important rules of logic be repeated. "Comparaison n'est pas raison" (Fr.). As for circumcision, this is not an argument. Muslims also circumcise - and the Crimean Tatars in some part of Hitler served well - and all as one circumcised - that's bad luck.

              https://topwar.ru/23166-zamihovskiy-grigoriy-efimovich-matros-chernomorskogo-flota.html

              Quote: mikh-korsakov
              You claim that there were only a few Jews. I don’t know, I didn’t count - units - or I don’t know thousands. But I know that the Germans hanged the grandfather of my wife’s best friend in Minsk because he, as the head doctor of the hospital, issued the deceased to the Jews.

              I know. In honor of every righteous, we have planted a tree. And there is only an avenue, not a forest.
              https://www.yadvashem.org/ru/righteous.html

              Quote: mikh-korsakov
              As for the attitude of the population towards the Communists, it was also different. For example, my late mother during the siege of Leningrad did not serve in the suburbs under the Germans in Rono. In the spring - they, then young and non-partisan, were sent to mobilize the population to collect young shoots of pine trees - they boiled and watered the wounded. That is not the point. Some people said, "The Germans will come - and we will hang you activists." Once again "Comparaison n'est pas raison" (fr). Well, I’m tired of protesting you, and it is an ungrateful thing to build a theory on the basis of individual examples - this is called coeval. Sincerely.

              I posted the links for you. Read. When you will erect a monument to the Communists, do not forget Brigadier Commissar Georgy Nikolayevich Zhilenkov who served with Hitler.
              1. mikh-korsakov 11 January 2020 19: 50 New
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                Oleg! Yes, I forgot to write. Personally, I was not a member of the party - not a single one. There was simply no time. I just don’t like double standards, because it’s illogical.
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                I know. In honor of every righteous, we have planted a tree.

                I support you here, you do not forget in your own way, we in our own way. And what are we arguing about and breaking copies here. And your people suffered and our people suffered and the entire Soviet people suffered. What are we talking about, we have only one pain and sadness, and we must remember this and not forget, and not the one who suffered the most from the site. Yes, the death of one person is grief, but here are millions !!! I always remember the monument to S.O. Makarov in Kronstadt and below the inscription "Remember the war." So we must remember this.
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                  Quote: Professor
                  I know. In honor of every righteous, we have planted a tree.

                  I support you here, you do not forget in your own way, we in our own way. And what are we arguing about and breaking copies here. And your people suffered and our people suffered and the entire Soviet people suffered. What are we talking about, we have only one pain and sadness, and we must remember this and not forget, and not the one who suffered the most from the site. Yes, the death of one person is grief, but here are millions !!! I always remember the monument to S.O. Makarov in Kronstadt and below the inscription "Remember the war." So we must remember this.

                  I absolutely agree with you. I just can’t pass by when they distort the story and lie.
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                    I just can’t pass by when they distort the story and lie.

                    Many things are distorted, but the truth is one.
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                      I just can’t pass by when they distort the story and lie.

                      Many things are distorted, but the truth is one.

                      ... and I won’t let her distort anyone.
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                        Especially when the truth goes against "your truth", when it especially hurts the eye, when it does not fit into your vision, and when otherwise you oh yes, the wrestler of all wrestlers agrees
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                        The truth is not "ours" or "yours." Paravda she is alone.
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                        You are a clear example of just my statement. True, which, for example, is one hundred percent and few will argue with her that if a person put it mildly bad, you can pick up a lot of synonyms, then it absolutely does not depend on what nationality he is, for me you are not a good person, and I do not care that you Jew by nationality
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                        You are a clear example of just my statement. True, which, for example, is one hundred percent and few will argue with her that if a person put it mildly bad, you can pick up a lot of synonyms, then it absolutely does not depend on what nationality he is, for me you are not a good person, and I do not care that you Jew by nationality

                        And what is the connection between your personal attitude to my humble person and the historical truth discussed here?
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      I read the posts of Mr. "Professor" - it makes me sick. Everything would be nasty to find. Some feces are erupted. Is there really not even a small feeling of gratitude to the same communist USSR, how many Jews survived.
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    Read the Nobel laureate Belorussian Svetlana Alekseevich.

    If I did not live in the Smolensk region, and did not communicate with people who had gone through and survived the war, then I would have believed this “Nobel lady”. And now I already do not believe you Professor.
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        But did you expect them to tell how they gathered Jews from the surrounding forests and handed them over to the Germans?

        And you specify how many Jews were in the Smolensk region, I mean in the countryside. But like my mother and her brother, they fought in Bati's partisan brigade, the Pertisans picked up all the Jews who fled from Belarus. And in the surrounding village, I did not hear that the Germans were Jewish Jews. But how many villages and people the Nazis burned, they all remembered, and still remember, although those villages are no longer there. One village I remember Basino very well, there is a tombstone of Mother, Sister, wife and three Daughters, whom the Germans shot, because their son, brother, husband and father were the commander of the Red Army. (He is also buried there). You shout that they killed you, that there was a Holocaust, and our people that they gave tea with sugar, but even about this you Jews are silent ??? And let the Germans pray to God that we in 1945 did not do this with the families of their officers and SSman.
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  • Bessarab 11 January 2020 16: 01 New
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    Delirium write dear. In the Wehrmacht alone, more than 150000 Jews served and regularly destroyed Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarusians, and Hitler praised them for the fascist Reich. For example, a Field Marshal was appropriated to a Jew Milkh. How so? According to your version, you should have destroyed them all, and they won’t soak like Russians
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      Delirium write dear. In the Wehrmacht alone, more than 150000 Jews served and regularly destroyed Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarusians, and Hitler praised them for the fascist Reich. For example, a Field Marshal was appropriated to a Jew Milkh. How so? According to your version, you should have destroyed them all, and they won’t soak like Russians

      Do not tell tales. They didn’t serve and Mileh was a purebred German. notarized fact.

      Is it possible to quote Hitler, where he praised the Jews "the merits of the fascist Reich highly," Mr. Sovramshi?
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        They didn’t serve and Mileh was a purebred German. notarized fact

        The fact that Milch was not a Jew decided by volitional decision Goering. Yes, and Hitler's passage to the end is not clarified.
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          They didn’t serve and Mileh was a purebred German. notarized fact

          The fact that Milch was not a Jew decided by volitional decision Goering. Yes, and Hitler's passage to the end is not clarified.

          No. This was confirmed by a notary. In the metric, he recorded the biological father, and not the previous husband of his mother.
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            at the command of Hitler and notary certified. Mr. Brekhun Sokolov, you should read the American book "Jewish soldiers of Hitler" and not make funny people.
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              at the command of Hitler and notary certified. Mr. Brekhun Sokolov, you should read the American book "Jewish soldiers of Hitler" and not make funny people.

              It is strange that Natsik referred to her and financed her land unions and regional partnerships of the HIAG organization (German: Hilfsgemeinschaft auf Gegenseitigkeit der Angehörigen der ehemaligen Waffen-SS (HIAG) Mutual Assistance Society of Former SS Members), as well as from the Foundation for Military Graves “When All Brothers Are Silent”, founded in 1993 (German: “Kriegsgräberstiftung Wenn alle Brüder schweigen”).
              1. Bessarab 11 January 2020 21: 41 New
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                It is useful for the ignoramus to learn that the grandmother of Mr. Rigga (the author of this book) was Jewish, and he even served in the Israeli army after the war. Well, this is just the case when a person does not dishonor his people, unlike some "professors2
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                  It is useful for the ignoramus to learn that the grandmother of Mr. Rigga (the author of this book) was Jewish, and he even served in the Israeli army after the war. Well, this is just the case when a person does not dishonor his people, unlike some "professors2

                  His grandmother was Hitler's sister, and he not only served in Tsakhal, but rose to the rank of brigadier general of the military rabbinate in Tsrifin. And that is why it was financed by the land unions and regional partnerships of the HIAG organization (German: Hilfsgemeinschaft auf Gegenseitigkeit der Angehörigen der ehemaligen Waffen-SS (HIAG) Mutual Assistance Society of former members of the SS forces), as well as from the “Military Grave Fund” founded in 1993 “When the brothers are silent "" (German: "Kriegsgräberstiftung Wenn alle Brüder schweigen"). Still logical. wassat
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                    in the auxiliary troops, the tzahal (where Rigg served) did not assign generals. As regards Rigg’s accusations of financing from these sources, he did not refute or confirm this fact. However, even if this is so, then it does not change anything. The book contains over 400 interviews with Jewish soldiers of Hitler, specific evidence and documents that cannot be refuted. You can only lie and stupidly make fun of his relationship with Hitler.
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                    What kind of auxiliary troops? He darted alone. Natsik rose to the rank of general there. There are no interviews with Hitler’s Jewish soldiers in the book. There is no evidence or document. You at least take a book in your hands before discussing it. Chesslovo.
                    His grandmother was Hitler's sister wassat
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  • tihonmarine 11 January 2020 16: 51 New
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    More than 150000 Jews served in the Wehrmacht alone and regularly destroyed Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians.

    Then do not forget to add how many of them were in the Soviet prisoner of war camps.
    1. Bessarab 11 January 2020 17: 55 New
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      More than 15000 Wehrmacht-Jewish prisoners of war alone were in prisoner-of-war camps in the USSR. the truth is the Poles, soldiers of the Wehrmacht, there also sat several times more.
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        More than 15000 Wehrmacht-Jewish prisoners of war alone were in prisoner-of-war camps in the USSR. the truth is the Poles, soldiers of the Wehrmacht, there also sat several times more.

        Can I refer to your fantasies?
        1. Bessarab 11 January 2020 19: 04 New
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          Enlightenment education is not included in my plans. Google the title of the book "Jewish Soldiers of Hitler" and overpower this serious work of an American historian. There you will find everything.
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            Enlightenment education is not included in my plans. Google the title of the book "Jewish Soldiers of Hitler" and overpower this serious work of an American historian. There you will find everything.

            I was blown away, lord of liars.
            1. Bessarab 11 January 2020 23: 12 New
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              What does it mean "blown away"? Well, you “professor” already even found everything about Rigg and his book on Wikipedia. So I stimulated your brain to albeit a small but effort. Develop further.
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                What does it mean "blown away"? Well, you “professor” already even found everything about Rigg and his book on Wikipedia. So I stimulated your brain to albeit a small but effort. Develop further.

                Sending me to a search engine, then it’s blown away, Mr. liar.
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                  it’s about caring for your development .. And it was called pro, you are a fessor, but you don’t have elementary knowledge of history. Well, the spitting "prohvesor" Yanukovych. Here thanks to me I climbed in the internet and found myself. Be proud now you can proudly call yourself "academician! Academy of falsification of history.
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                  it’s about caring for your development .. And it was called pro, you are a fessor, but you don’t have elementary knowledge of history. Well, the spitting "prohvesor" Yanukovych. Here thanks to me I climbed in the internet and found myself. Be proud now you can proudly call yourself "academician! Academy of falsification of history.

                  The drain is counted.
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                  Your discharge is yes. It’s counted. Because of a purely Jewish habit, in the absence of knowledge and arguments, you switch to an emotional lie and an outright denial of well-known facts. Studied with Goebbels?
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                  Your discharge is yes. It’s counted. Because of a purely Jewish habit, in the absence of knowledge and arguments, you switch to an emotional lie and an outright denial of well-known facts. Studied with Goebbels?

                  You merged by going to the individual and not providing a single link. Which, in principle, was expected. laughing
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    More than 15000 Wehrmacht-Jewish prisoners of war alone were in prisoner-of-war camps in the USSR.

    I also know such numbers, thanks. But some people want a reference. Yes on the Internet in bulk. You can ask in the Archive of Moscow Region.
  • rocket757 11 January 2020 12: 18 New
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    Everyone should get what they deserve .... but in our world this happens extremely rarely. Usually those who are appointed by the rest are “uninvited” and those who were unable to kick back suffer.
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    It’s strange. It seems to be Auschwitz, it seems to be Poles, but an article about Jews. The author briefly quoted Valens that Auschwitz was liberated by Soviet troops and again about the Jews.
    So let them write about the Jews in Israel. And we here in Russia will not forget how our country, our people suffered.
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      So let them write about the Jews in Israel. And we here in Russia will not forget how our country, our people suffered.

      And in "your people" were not millions of Jews? Should a state write about them whose citizens they were not?
      1. Gardamir 11 January 2020 13: 39 New
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        There were Jews in our people, in this case, the entire Soviet people suffered from the Nazis. But the Holocaust theme is giving, so the Jews are special sufferers.
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          There were Jews in our people, in this case, the entire Soviet people suffered from the Nazis. But the Holocaust theme is giving, so the Jews are special sufferers.

          And there is. Jews are special sufferers. I don’t know which city you are from, but if it was occupied, then Jews were separated from others (local residents ALWAYS actively helped in this) and sent Jews out of town for execution. Such fate did not wait for other townspeople.
          1. tihonmarine 11 January 2020 20: 28 New
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            Such fate did not wait for other townspeople.

            In the USSR there was no calculation of the dead civilian population on a national basis, but in the second half of 1945 and at the beginning of 1946, a commission worked under the instructions of the Politburo in the USSR under the leadership of the chairman of the State Planning Commission of Voznesensky, which in the report named the figure - 15.4 million dead. So I don’t know who and what fate was waiting, but the fate of these 15,4 million Soviet people, Soviet including Jews, was one - death. Or do you disagree with this?
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          There were Jews in our people, in this case, the entire Soviet people suffered from the Nazis.

          But here for some reason they forget about it.
    2. tihonmarine 11 January 2020 16: 53 New
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      It seems to be Auschwitz, it seems to be Poles, but an article about Jews.

      You are right, as if only people of one nation were sitting in Auschwitz, while others were simply in a holiday home.
  • Rostislav 11 January 2020 12: 33 New
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    However, the Jews competently entered with restitution through the Master. Now zhekam and squeak dumbly - the master himself ordered to give honestly stolen. laughing
    1. Dur_mod 11 January 2020 12: 45 New
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      Duc Poles also wanted to tear off the money from Germany and Russia, the first they said they did not pay the separation, and the second they say right now for the damage from the "communist regime".
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        Duc Poles also wanted to tear off the money from Germany and Russia, the first they said they did not pay the separation, and the second they say right now for the damage from the "communist regime".

        Given that they will receive only cookies from Germany and Russia, or, as the GDP said, “from a dead donkey’s ears,” the Poles will try to gnaw dill on restitution for everything that they squeezed in the Lviv region. Thinly poor, but somewhere a figure was voiced that the Poles had already prepared about 100 thousand lawsuits for the lost property.
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      Now zhekam and squeak dumbly - the master himself ordered to give honestly stolen.

      If the Germans were ripped off, then they will also be torn off the "psheks".
  • Vitaly Tsymbal 11 January 2020 13: 21 New
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    There is the concept of REMEMBER, and there is the concept of REMEMBER. In Poland, WWII is remembered, and only for national-political reasons, and only with "benefit" for the current government. Probably, the fact that we in Russia remember our grandfathers and great-grandfathers of the WINNERS, in some ways, unites us with the Jews, except that the Jews remember not the victors, but the victims. They say that the winners are not judged - the modern world has refuted this seemingly axiom, but the victims cannot be “judged” in any way. Probably, the Holocaust still exists in the memory in the form in which it was during the WWII, but the opinions of whom the WWII won, the masses are beginning to forget. Especially those who fought on the side of Nazi Germany ...
    1. tihonmarine 11 January 2020 16: 57 New
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      Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
      Probably, the fact that we in Russia remember our grandfathers and great-grandfathers of the WINNERS, in some ways, unites us with the Jews, except that the Jews remember not the victors, but the victims.

      They remember their own, ours are not. Yes, and smear us with shit.
  • Andrzej k 11 January 2020 16: 03 New
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    Two questions.

    Poland as a state was one of the greatest victims of World War II. As a result, she lost more than 1/6 of the territory and 1/6 of her citizens. Yes, the Jews who died during the war were mostly Polish citizens!

    During the war years, many Poles showed their cave anti-Semitism to the world. They killed Jews (and even their fellow tribesmen who stood up to protect them), handed over the unfortunate to the Nazis for reprisal, and then appropriated their property.


    What is written here is true, but this applies to all, without exception, including Russians, Belarusians, Lithuanians, Ukrainians, Hungarians, etc.

    Unlike Western Europe in Poland, they threatened death for hiding Jews.

    After the war in Israel, a law was passed according to which if a Jew (for example, serving in the Jüdischer Ordnungsdienst) acted to the detriment of other Jews in order to save his life - he simply spent it on death, he was released from liability. I wonder why this applies only to Jews?

    Not all Poles were anti-Semites, not all Jews surrendered. This is evidenced by how many Poles Yadvashim gave the title "Righteous Among the Nations" - more than any other people.

    And the fact that the issue of World War II and anti-Semitism is now being undertaken politically is another disaster.

    Instead of moving forward, we plunge into a story that, in truth, will not bring fame to anyone. Neither Poland nor Russia. Well, at most, it will bring the most to Israel.
    1. Dur_mod 11 January 2020 16: 28 New
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      This Ukraine returned part of its territories, and not Poland lost. And yet there are our lands occupied by the Poles Helm, Przemysl and others. Or do you think Ukraine forgot about the Vistula operation when Ukrainians were massively transported from these lands to northwest Poland?
      1. Andrzej k 11 January 2020 16: 53 New
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        In 1945, there was (thank God!) Ukraine - there were criminals from the UPA OUN, Bandera, Melnikitsy, Bulbists, Hitler's allies from the 14th division of the Galicene SS.
        I spent all my childhood (school holidays) in rural areas in western Poland, where half were “Belarusians” and half were “Ukrainians”, the latter partly from Bieszczady, partly from, for example, Zhuravno. Ukrainians like you were a thinker.
        Fortunately, people of your kind stayed at home, because all the Ukrainians I know now - and there are a lot of them in Poland now - and this is not due to the action of the Vistula, that they are pretty good cool people

        Now you have lost the Crimea, Donetsk, Lugansk. What's next Kharkov, Odessa? In this I support the Russians.
        1. Dur_mod 11 January 2020 18: 17 New
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          I don’t care who you support. Poland illegally occupied part of the historical Ukrainian lands! And this account will be presented to you sooner or later. Your attempt to draw Ukraine into NATO and look like our "lawyer" in Europe will lead to nothing. The bill is on and time is ticking, just know that ...
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            I get the impression that for Ukraine, a watch and a meter beat much faster, and soon it will become a small skeletal state. Let's see who will be right
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            And in fact, for now, it turns out that Ukraine as part of the USSR has returned part of its Western Ukrainian lands that Poland previously occupied, but try to declare us aggressors all over the world?
            I was recently in Poznan, a beautiful city, good people, but you have obvious problems with historical memory.
            1. Andrzej k 11 January 2020 18: 38 New
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              In Ukraine, he with historical memory has obvious problems with knowledge and science. I am becoming more and more convinced of the idea of ​​Zhirinovsky and the historical return of the Polish city of Lviv to Poland.
              And the more enterprising Ukrainians, in any case, they are already in Poland or further in the West
              1. Dur_mod 11 January 2020 18: 57 New
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                Oops, the attempt to incite the Russians is not counted. What is nothing to justify? Can we recall Bogdan Khmelnitsky and the Cossacks, who raised the Polish gentry to the forks? Or three sections of Poland in the 19th century? Can you sparkle with knowledge and science? Remember the Pole, the Ukrainians are Orthodox and to the west, unlike you Poles, we will never be guided.
                Ukrainians, like Poles, can work wherever they want.
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                I am more and more convinced of the idea of ​​Zhirinovsky and the historical return of the Polish city of Lviv to Poland.

                Zhirinovsky is ordinary yap and only illiterate people can believe him - Lviv, if he returns, he will be part of Russia, but not Poland at all. So roll your lip - do not see you Lviv in any situation.
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            2. Bessarab 11 January 2020 18: 08 New
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              The USSR was never an ally of Hitler. And this is a fact. And here the Poles were, together with an ally, Hitler, conquered the Teshin region of Czechoslovakia. The non-aggression pact with Hitler is a treaty of neutrality. Moreover, the USSR was the last European state to sign such a pact. Poland, England. France signed such pacts back in 35-36 years. And the goal of all these pacts was the same - to incite Hitler against the USSR and, together with the fascists, to destroy and dismember a huge country. Stalin defeated Western countries and as a result the USSR received almost 2 years to prepare for a war with Germany. Churchill even called the Poles a European hyena. It did not work for them to stay in Hitler's allies in the war with the USSR.
              1. Andrzej k 11 January 2020 18: 31 New
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                The non-aggression pact with Hitler is an agreement on the separation of spheres of influence - more precisely, the division of this part of Europe. Bessarabia also got you as part of this alliance. And this is known not only in Poland, but throughout the world.

                https://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/aug/06/devils-alliance-hitlers-pact-stalin-1938-1941-roger-moorhouse-review
                1. Bessarab 11 January 2020 18: 59 New
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                  Why fantasize? The contract is called the Non-Aggression Pact, and you compose something of your own. Yes, in the USSR they knew why Hitler needed this pact. He needed guarantees of non-interference of the USSR in his impending war with Poland. Since the USSR tried to protect Czechoslovakia from Hitler, but he was not allowed to do so by Hitler's ally, Poland, who first began military operations in Europe, by force of arms having seized the Teshin region of Czechoslovakia. And the USSR gave such guarantees. True, for these guarantees, he demanded the non-introduction of German troops into Western Ukraine and Belarus with Moldova, which Poland seized from the USSR in the war of 1920. Slovakia was Hitler's ally in the attack on Poland on 1,09.1039. More than 70000 soldiers of her army simultaneously attacked Poland (this is the "answer" for Teshin). Note that the USSR army did not take part in this attack. Otherwise, the commander-in-chief of the Polish army would not have dragged to Brest on September 5, whence he depicted the leadership of the Polish troops. But when he learned that the Polish government was already in full swing at Romania, and the USSR did not intend to defend the Poles, he immediately rushed to catch them. And on September 14, this whole gang of hyenas was safely interned in Romania. Poland as a state has disappeared. After which, on September 15, the USSR sent troops to previously parts of Ukraine, Belarus, and Moldova. Our people had to be protected. So say archival documents.
                  1. Andrzej k 11 January 2020 21: 08 New
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                    The agreement is called "Non-Aggression Pact" - Please do not forget about the secret protocol

                    1. Bessarab 11 January 2020 23: 31 New
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                      On duty, I had to see a large number of government documents. And especially interstate agreements. The form, representation of the negotiators, their titles and powers are all very clearly stated in these documents, and also recorded in the relevant Protocols. This piece of paper is a miserable fake of incompetent small a swindler, where some handwritten notes were made in different handwritings. By the way, for the first time, conversations about this protocol went back in 1949, or rather about its German version, but despite the fact that the archives were neither the original nor the Protocol was provided to the Americans. Either the real Protocol had a text that did not suit the United States.
                      1. Andrzej k 11 January 2020 23: 41 New
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                        Do not you understand ?! These documents were officially declassified on September 9, 2019 by the Russian Ministry of Defense:


                        As a supplement - a secret protocol to the contract, where, as you write all the standards, the authors of the packaging, etc., were saved
                      2. Bessarab 12 January 2020 11: 15 New
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                        Well, just turn on your brains. If this is a “secret protocol” to a certain unclassified contract, then it should be indicated in the upper left corner the secrecy stamp, the period of storage and instructions for admission. And in the upper right corner it should be indicated to which basic contract this contract is attached. These data are mandatory for the Secretariat, because otherwise they will not know in which archive it is stored and who has the right to receive it. After that, this document should have been given a registration number and entered in a special book corresponding to this secrecy stamp. Stalin did not find this “document” in the annals of the secretariat ... The work of the Secretariat in the USSR under Stalin was perfect. In addition, such documents are prepared for any purpose. What you posted has one single goal, to discredit the USSR. But Stalin and Molotov were not scum, they were patriots of the USSR and the smartest people. And to make something like them did not make sense. If there was such a Protocol, it would be signed correctly and executed according to the Protocol, so that it could be used. Such a Protocol could be stored only in the archives of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, but not in the Moscow Region, and even less in the archives of the Central Committee.
                      3. ccsr 12 January 2020 11: 59 New
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                        Do not you understand ?! These documents were officially declassified on September 9, 2019 by the Russian Ministry of Defense

                        In the days of Yakovlev and not such fakes were cooked up, and the prosecutor Ilyukhin reported about this. So moderate ardor, and better study what the GENUINE annexes to the Treaties that the USSR concluded in 1930-1940 look like, and then you can understand that what is presented does not fit into any framework.
          2. Vitaly Tsymbal 11 January 2020 18: 38 New
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            The USSR was never an ally of Hitler. Look in the archives, carefully read, and only then determine who was Hitler's ally. At the same time, look at which countries attacked the USSR at the same time as Hitler, and which countries attacked Poland at the same time as Hitler. And at the same time, compare how the Polish government behaved in 1939, and how the Soviet government acted in the most difficult moments? By the way, Poland in the 2nd World War was liberated by the USSR and granted Poland the right to statehood. Pay attention to those territories that were given to the Polish state. Only from 1919 until 1937 Poland was an independent player in the international arena, since then socialist and EU Poland did not become what it was in the first half of the 20th century. Instead of fighting for the revival of Poland as an independent state, the Poles began to choose their "masters", having come to that, they themselves began to invite foreign troops to defend against whom it was not clear, or, more simply put, they simply sold out to the Americans by changing the red puppet costume to a star-striped .. but it remained a puppet. This is probably why in Russia they look at Polish majesty with a smile.
            1. Andrzej k 11 January 2020 18: 48 New
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              But what is the name of a country that, together with Hitler, divides other countries, which supplies it with oil and other materials, hides its warships and ships under its own flag, congratulating on the victory over other countries, as in June 1940? Ally is the most suitable term, even if it is a mafia alliance that does not leave many traces. However, there are many traces and evidence, and many of them can be cited. If necessary, there will be nothing left.
              By the way, Poland in the 2nd World War was liberated by the USSR and granted Poland the right to statehood. Pay attention to those territories that were given to the Polish state

              He freed or, rather, took over, half he took, leaving the independence of the facade?
              Yes, Poland received Western lands, but not from Stalin, but at the Potsdam Conference.

              However, I agree that the current Polish policy and hostility towards Russia and foreign bases on its own territory do not matter. this is silly.
              1. Vitaly Tsymbal 11 January 2020 19: 01 New
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                Open the archives on the relationship between Poland and Hitler Germany - you will be "unpleasantly" surprised ... And pay attention - September 1, 1939 at 4 hours 45 minutes Arriving in Danzig with a FRIENDLY VISIT and, with an ENVIRONMENT MET BY A LOCAL POPULATION, a German training ship - The obsolete battleship Schleswig-Holstein opened fire on Polish fortifications on Westerplatte. Or you only know about the USSR of those years, but not about Poland and its ties with Hitler. By the way, during the Civil War, the USSR took the side of the socialists, against the fascist Franco, actively supported by Hitler and Musolini ... It was in 1937-39 that the first military clash between the Soviet military and the German took place. And who was supported by Poland at that time? Climb in the archives ....
              2. Bessarab 11 January 2020 20: 31 New
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                Together with Hitler, Poland divided the country into Czechoslovakia with the “permission” of England and France. Then Poland and Germany should be called aggressors, and the British and French are instigators of aggression. And all together, the authors of World War 2 .. As for oil, you are right. Indeed, almost the entire war the Nazis supplied certain campaigns from the USA on tankers under the Spanish flag. But Franco did not hide the fact that he was a fascist.
                1. Andrzej k 11 January 2020 20: 53 New
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                  Together with Hitler, Poland divided the country into Czechoslovakia with the "resolution" of England and France. Then Poland and Germany must be called aggressors, and the British and French are instigators of aggression



                  If you change Poland to the USSR and Czechoslovakia to Poland, it will work like a glove - September 17, 1939

                  The only difference is that there are no documents confirming the agreement between Poland and Germany on the general division of Czechoslovakia, and the secret protocol to the Ribentrop-Molotov Pact is widely known and accessible.
                  1. Bessarab 11 January 2020 21: 26 New
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                    No need to lie. None of the wide accesses of the original "secret protocol" to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact did not appear. And what you refer to is a fake, composed by Russian hyenas and your brothers in the abomination of Yakovlev under the leadership of Yeltsin. This is the first. And secondly, the fact of Poland’s military attack on Czechoslovakia is indeed recognized, and even the Polish government does not refuse. By the way, Stalin spoke out against the recognition in Nuremberg of the role of Poland in starting a war due to the friendly relations of the USSR with the new leadership of Poland. Or do you deny Poland’s capture of the Teschinsky region of Czechoslovakia at the same time as Germany’s capture of the Sudetenland. ? And why do we need a certain Protocol if a specific act of armed aggression of Poland against the Czech Republic is recorded. And by the way, why did Poland flatly refuse to let the Soviet troops help the Czechs? After all, the USSR signed an agreement with Czechoslovakia on mutual assistance and turned to the beaches for permission. And tell me who led Poland on September 17?
                    The option is the Polish government from Romania, an ally of Germany, or rather from the prison in Bucharest I do not advise.
                    1. Andrzej k 11 January 2020 21: 35 New
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                      On September 9, 2019, the Russian Ministry of Defense published documents related to the invasion of Nazi Germany against Poland. Among them are copies of the declassified protocols of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact (Hitler-Stalin)


                      The originals of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact in Russian were first publicly available. A scan of the secret supplementary protocol to the Non-Aggression Treaty of 1939 was also published, which delimited the spheres of interests of the USSR and Germany from the Baltic to the Black Sea.




                      https://www.gazeta.ru/science/2019/06/02_a_12389503.shtml


                      I see no difference with what you call "fake." So what?
                    2. Bessarab 11 January 2020 23: 46 New
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                      There is such a notion as a PROTOCOL that spells out how such documents are drawn up and certified. This piece of paper is more like the “contract” of two fifth graders on the search for a treasure. They typed it on the typewriter and entered the signers by hand. The price of such a "document" in international relations is absolute zero. Therefore, neither Stalin nor Hitler would even write such a billiards. In addition, the apparent inequality of signatories is striking. From the USSR, the head of the Council of People's Commissars (Prime Minister) Molotov, from Germany, the Minister of Foreign Affairs .... A huge difference, extremely humiliating for the USSR. Under Stalin, such things were not allowed.
                    3. Andrzej k 11 January 2020 23: 57 New
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                      Once again, because he doesn’t reach - This is an official (albeit secret) document from an international agreement published on September 9, 2019 OFFICIALLY by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
                      If this is the level of the “agreement” of two fifth graders on the search for treasure, this indicates the class and level of Soviet and German diplomacy on August 23, 1939.
                    4. Bessarab 12 January 2020 11: 22 New
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                      The level of diplomacy of both Hitler and Stalin was orders of magnitude higher than the level of primitive diplomacy of Poland, as evidenced by the result of their actions in September 1939. Its diplomats tightly quarreled Poland with the USSR and Germany, as well as France. Then, realizing what they had done, they abandoned their people, army and gave a fight. And Stalin’s diplomacy in Potsdam gave Poland both independence and new territories undeserved by the Poles.
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                      Once again, because it does not reach, this is an official (albeit secret) document from an international agreement published on September 9, 2019 OFFICIALLY by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

                      In fact, this is a document from the archives of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs or the Soviet government, which means that it simply does not exist in the Ministry of Defense, and they published in the best possible way a SCAN document that they never had. Teach the materiel before propagating your fantasies here.
              3. Andrzej k 11 January 2020 21: 46 New
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                the fact of the USSR military attack on Poland on September 17 is indeed recognized, and even the Polish government does not refuse. This is a message from the President of Poland, Ignatius Moscicki, dated September 17, 1939:

                “Citizens!

                When our army fights unprecedented courage against enemy violence from the first day of the war to the present day, withstanding the onslaught of the enormous advantage of all the armed forces of Germany, our eastern neighbor has invaded our lands, violating existing agreements and the eternal principles of morality.

                Therefore, for the first time in our history, we faced a storm that flooded our country from the west and east.

                Poland, in alliance with France and England, is fighting for the law against lawlessness, for faith and civilization against soulless barbarism, for good against the rule of evil in the world. I firmly believe in this struggle, it must come out and come out victorious.

                Citizens! We must protect the personification of the Commonwealth and the source of constitutional authority from a temporary flood. Therefore, although with a heavy heart, I decided to transfer the place of the President of the Republic of Poland and the Supreme State Bodies to the territory of one of our allies. From there, under conditions ensuring their full sovereignty, they will protect the interests of the Commonwealth and continue to wage war with our allies.

                Citizens! I know that, despite the most difficult passages, you will retain, as before, your steadfastness, dignity and pride, which you deserve the admiration of the whole world.

                Each of you must take care of the honor of our nation in the most difficult conditions.

                Providence will bring us justice.

                Kossov, 17.9.1939/XNUMX/XNUMX

                / - / Ignacy Moscicki "
              4. Bessarab 11 January 2020 23: 50 New
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                Duck September 17.09, 1939 your Mositsky and his team have been in a Romanian prison for three days. And the Romanians were allies of Hitler. Well, did Hitler really allow him to write such a paper? Or did he write it when the Romanians sent all this gang to England ...
                But it was clearly not 17.09.1939/XNUMX/XNUMX
              5. Andrzej k 12 January 2020 00: 04 New
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                Nonsense. It was only on the night of September 17-18 that they crossed to Kuta nad Cheremosz after the Soviet aggression against Poland, the President of the Republic of Poland Ignacy Mogicki, members of the government with Prime Minister Felician Slawoe-Skladkovsky and General-General Edward Rydz- Zhigli, crossed the border with Romania. where were they interned
              6. Bessarab 12 January 2020 11: 55 New
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                You carry nonsense dear. The last Polish commanders crossed the Romanian border during the day of September 17. On the same day, the Polish ambassador to the USSR was called to the Foreign Ministry to deliver a note. He refused to accept the note, and when asked where the Polish leadership is located he gave a clear answer. In Bucharest. By the way, it is not very close to the border from Bucharest .. It also takes time to run away. This fact is documented. In addition, Mositsky’s “appeal” indicates a miserable level of Polish diplomacy .. This is just a propaganda leaflet. And where is the protest note of the USSR, where is the declaration of war of the USSR.?
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            the fact of the USSR military attack on Poland on September 17 is indeed recognized, and even the Polish government does not refuse.

            And why then France and Great Britain declared war on Germany ("strange war"), but did not declare the USSR?
  • Lyuba1965_01 11 January 2020 21: 31 New
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    To begin with, the USSR did absolutely nothing that Europe would not have done long before the 40th year.
    Remember the Czechoslovak section with the approval of Europe.
    In addition, the USSR was the last of the European countries to sign an agreement with Hitler.
    But what is the name of a country that, together with Hitler, divides other countries, which supplies it with oil and other materials, hides its warships and ships under its own flag, congratulating on the victory over other countries, as in June 1940?
    But what is the name of the country that helped Hitler come to power, who raised German industry after the First World War, knowing that Hitler had plans to attack Europe and the USSR?
    Well, what is America called, which led Hitler to this war?
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      To make it clear. I do not think that the USSR would do anything exceptionally bad. Each country has its own interests. What we call crime for individuals is often just politics for states. The authorities of each state (at least under the assumption) should take care of its interests - no other. Sometimes the interests of one state mean the failure of another. This is how the world works.

      However, I do not understand why someone is trying to pretend to be a flawless virgin or angel.

      Each country has its own sad history and crimes in all conscience - after several decades (although this will sound cruel), this is just history and statistics - work for scientists - the task of the authorities should be to take care of citizens today and tomorrow, and not about what someone did 70 years ago.
      The USSR sharpened Poland on September 17, 1939, because it was in his vital interests. It’s sad and tragic for me as a Pole, but the USSR authorities were obliged to take care of the USSR, not Poland, as the Polish authorities in Zaolz in 1938, Russia occupied Crimea
      as well as the dispatch of the General of Poland to Vilnius and the so-called “Central Lithuania”. The interests of the state and morality are two different things. This is POLICY, unfortunately :-(
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        Do you know that it was Poland that planned to divide the USSR with Germany?
        Well, a few facts.
        When Poland was already defeated (although its troops still continued to agonize in some places), when its government cowardly fled abroad, it became clear that in the near future the Germans would occupy ALL of Poland, including Western Ukraine and Western Belarus (i.e. Soviet territories, shortly before that, captured by Poland in the course of an aggressive war against the USSR) - then the Soviet troops occupied these (their own!) territories so that they would not go to Hitler.
        Nobody considered this a war - neither Poles, nor "allies", nor the USSR.
        Everyone, including the Poles themselves, recognized that it was a fair step - the restoration of the border along the Curzon line.
        And, of course, there was no talk of any alliance with the Nazis.
        In 1938, France and England surrendered to those who were promised help.
        They betrayed an ally in order to appease the aggressor, whom they could strangle in the bud.
        The USSR did not betray anyone and only wanted to avoid a war for which it was not ready - a war with a monster, who had been raised by England and France, whom they had given birth and raised by hand-feeding.
        The big difference is, you know ...
        Let's imagine there was no pact ...
        Would Hitler not attack Poland?
        I would attack without a pact, the troops are concentrated, the guns are loaded ...
        The Soviet Union tried to give security guarantees to Czechoslovakia and even materialized them into army groups in the summer of the 38th.
        However, through the efforts of Poland and its powerful allies, these efforts were nullified.
        But!!!
        Many historians have speculated that if it had been possible to save Czechoslovakia from dismemberment, then, possibly, the Second World War could have been avoided.
        Or she would not be so bloody and large-scale.
        It is clear that history does not know the subjunctive mood, and yet ...
  • Bessarab 11 January 2020 18: 12 New
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    Not only. More than 700000 Poles rushed into Wehrmacht volunteers.
    1. Andrzej k 11 January 2020 20: 48 New
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      This is shit and lies. Poles living in annexed areas were subject to mandatory draft in the German army, and this was not a voluntary enrollment. In any case, no one hides this (although the number, in my opinion, is exaggerated).
      This is the same as saying that my grandmother’s brother went to the Red Army in 1940 in Stolpets to become a volunteer. where i died. Bad joke - he went because he had to - these areas were included in the USSR, and he reached the age of recruitment. No one asked him

      Hilfswillige, Schutzmannschaften, on the other hand, were volunteers, who in fact totaled hundreds of thousands, not to mention the ROA, the Cossack corps, and it could take so long.
      1. Bessarab 11 January 2020 21: 30 New
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        More than 70 Poles in the form of the Wehrmacht stayed with the Germans in the camps of the USSR. They had the status of prisoners of war. Where did the firewood come from? Note that our soldiers did not take Poles, as well as Jews in the SS uniform.
        1. Andrzej k 11 January 2020 22: 08 New
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          I do not deny that the Poles from Silesia or the so-called “Land of Warta”, introduced in 1939 as part of the Third Reich, served in the German army - this is a fact. Even in Poland, a good book was published about this.


          I do not agree with this statement
          More 700000 Poles rushed to volunteers


          Volunteers were an exception and very weak.

          The Poles were not allowed into the SS men at all, even if they were ready. There were no "Polish units" in the German army, but there were Russians, Ukrainians, Estonians, Cossack Turks, French, Danes and Dutchs ...

          The only exception is the police - here was the 202 Schutzmannschafts battalion - a unit that defended many Polish settlements in Ukraine, but is guilty of the massacres of several Ukrainian villages in revenge for UPA crimes. The policemen of this battalion, who I write in shame, even killed women and children in the villages of Zlyazno, Podluzhna, Stavka, Yapoche and Holovina. Shame, because it was a crime - even if bullets were used, not UPA saws, hammers or axes. As a Pole, I am ashamed of it, and I'm not very good at it.
          1. Bessarab 12 January 2020 00: 04 New
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            You are incompetent with the SS. Purely Polish - 202 baht SS, the SS brigade of the Holy Cross, 31 and 32 Grenadier divisions of the SS. Polish volunteers served in the SS Dead Head and 4 grenades. police officers. Div SS and in a number of others. You just in Europe are limited to information about the war and misinformed. In the same book that you cited, it was noted that until 1944 about 500 Poles left to serve in the Wehrmacht.
            1. Andrzej k 12 January 2020 00: 26 New
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              You do not understand the expression "Polish units" of the SS - sad There were none! there was the 14th SS division “Galizien” (Ukrainian), 13 SS “Handschar” (Bosnians), 23 SS “Kama” (Hungarians) ...

              SS brigade of the "Holy Cross", 31 and 32 SS Grenadier Divisions



              Schutzmannschafts-Bataillon 202 - This is not a SS department, but a police department!

              “Brigade of the Holy Cross” - a brigade of National Armed Forces created from Polish ultranationalists during World War II has nothing to do with SS


              31 SS Böhmen und Mähren was founded in October 1944. It was formed from Volksdeutsch and Reichsdeutsch, inhabiting mainly Hungary and from the remnants of the 23rd SS Mountain Division (2nd Croatian) Kama

              The 32nd SS Volunteer Grenadier Division “January 30” was created in January 1945 from students of SS non-commissioned schools and spare parts of the Waffen SS. has nothing to do with the Poles !!!


              for this:
              29. Waffen-Grenadier Division der SS (russische nr 1 - ROA)
              30. Waffen-Grenadier Division der SS russische nr 2, weissruthenische nr 1
              they were Russian SS units !!!

              You are not only incompetent. You are a liar !!!
              1. Bessarab 12 January 2020 12: 06 New
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                No, Mr. Pole, you are a lie. The brigade of the Holy Cross of the Polish Nazis in January 1945 received the coveted SS status and already in the form of SS, but with Polish insignia they fought with the USSR as part of the FELDHERMHALLE / tank corps. And the 202th battalion was included in the SS troops in August 1944. There is no need to slander our motherland and those of our fathers who died liberating Poland from the Nazis. Yes, yes, the very ones whose monuments you demolish and desecrate. Do not slander our ancestors. Moreover, this slander is primitive and stupid.
  • evgen1221 11 January 2020 16: 30 New
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    Poles deservedly periodically rake over their faces in arrogance and this is honey. fact. But what does the law adopted in the USA by American officials legally have to do with the Poles living in their own country? It's like I decided in my apartment that I am the legal husband of a beautiful married neighbor and on this basis I lay claim to her bed and apartment. It even sounds funny, really., But in our world, the law of the United States is for everyone in the world as my decree in my neighbor is only compulsory to fulfill as strange.
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    After all, all this fuss arose against the backdrop of the discussion of Law No. 2018 adopted in 447 in the United States (“Justice for survivors without compensation”).

    It refers to the return of property to the victims of the Holocaust.

    And what, the Albright family will return the property of Czech Jews? Or because a Jewess will forgive her all?
    1. Andrzej k 11 January 2020 18: 52 New
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      “Justice for survivors without compensation” ???
      This is nonsense - it's about landless real estate. Not for heirs who are not, a
      for strange Jewish organizations in the USA that have nothing to do with victims or property rights, which, in accordance with the law, became the property of the State Treasury in the absence of heirs
  • Ros 56 11 January 2020 17: 08 New
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    Yes, to drive the current Western Russophobes for a month to the same Auschwitz and other camps and create conditions for them as close as possible to the present reality of the 40s. I’ll see how they sing.
    1. Andrzej k 11 January 2020 23: 49 New
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      Or maybe both Russians in labor camps and in the “good times” of the USSR? I'll see how they sing to your power. - Sorry for the stupid answer - it just matches the stupid record earlier to her
      1. Ros 56 12 January 2020 10: 35 New
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        To begin with, I would learn to coherently state my own, and maybe not my own thought. By the construction of the phrases it is clear that the comrade is not Russian, but Lyakh, who does not know a damn about our and his history.
  • Egoza 11 January 2020 17: 50 New
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    After all, all this fuss arose against the backdrop of the discussion of Law No. 2018 adopted in 447 in the United States (“Justice for survivors without compensation”).

    This, of course, is a good law, but why does it apply only to survivors (or their descendants) after the Holocaust? Maybe you need to think about the rest? And something seems to me that they will take advantage of this law (after finalizing it) and the rest of the victims (and not so) - Hungarians, Romanians, etc. And thus, they will bite off pieces from Ukraine. First, small, then more.
    1. Andrzej k 11 January 2020 18: 54 New
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      Do not forget that “a few” Jews also lived in the USSR. They, or rather, those who pretend to be their heirs, will also ask "them"
  • Prisoner 11 January 2020 20: 59 New
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    Cunningly knocked down a psh. Does he need a bare booty on a hot pan? Surely the GDP will not go there empty-handed. It seems that he will grab the materials for the control shot at the pumpkin of the Polish “vision” of historical events.
  • A hundred 12 January 2020 11: 13 New
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    Recently read memoirs of soldiers (excerpts from the memories of ordinary soldiers)
    .. So one recalled (captured as far back as the 41st) After being released, they were taken to the east by a convoy (there were problems with transport) ..
    When they entered Poland, there the locals gathered and openly mocked us, it came to conflicts already ..
    Well, they found transport urgently .. But the sediment remained!
    Finally, everyone started talking about it openly .. How much anger in Poland even went to the Outskirts ... Well, nothing, we’ll open the archives and show the whole world who you were in occupation ..
    How many soldiers were put there saving their cities from destruction .. That's her gratitude to them .. soldier
  • Protos 12 January 2020 23: 55 New
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    Without Jews, Poland is doomed to be on the sidelines!
    Someone wouldn’t say anything, but among the Jews there is a sea of ​​talented and simply brainy people! yes
    The percentage of Jews in any nation is always needed to assimilate and dilute thickened native blood and move forward laughing
    You just need to hold on to the pace more tightly, in order to regulate the tension indefatigable ambitions and historical mania of God's chosen people!
    There, on the promised land, their authorities do so (do you want to achieve something ?! Well, serve your country, but not on the couch) hi
  • Kostadinov 13 January 2020 11: 52 New
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    the fact of the USSR military attack on Poland on September 17 is indeed recognized, and even the Polish government does not refuse.

    1. Why did the Polish allies not declare war on the USSR then (September 17, 1939)? What do you think?
    2. In today's Poland, does the Red Army have any claims to the territory that the Red Army entered after September 17, 1939. And if not, why? If these territories today belong to other countries and Poland has no claim to them, can Poland beat the occupied territories of other countries and we need to talk about their "liberation"?
  • Lekz 16 January 2020 23: 10 New
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    It seems the Poles are not learning anything. Four sections of Poland for the future did not go. They can wait for the fifth.